This is MY favorite Xenakis! Yuji Takahashi is fantastic. He made this piece part of the repertoire by his sheer persistance in performance. It was written for him, and he's been performing it for more than 40 years!
I actually played this once in a concert, all memorized. I forgot about a whole page though and left it out. Nobody could even tell I had a memory slip.
_They_ won't notice, potentially, but _you_ will. It's an internal experience as much as it is an external one. The audience can be amazed by the craze. The performer is bewildered by themselves.
Yeah I'd call it music. No, it's not exactly a pop song you'd sit and relax to, but it's an organisation of sound. Xenakis sat there and decided what notes he wanted where, no matter how bizarre. Similar to the Beatles sitting and deciding which chords to string together for their next tune, it's just that Xenakis amongst other similar composors chose to explore different sounds in their music.
I believe Aki Takahashi is in fact Yuji Takahashi's sister, not daughter. She is also a phenomenal pianist,and her 3LP set of LPs called "Piano Space" is one of the seminal contemporary recordings of new piano music. Her recording of Toshi Ichiyanagi's "Piano Media" is kind of legendary..
on 3) - there is an interview I saw but can't remember the details where Mr X said he didn't much like the stochastic pieces (ST-10, ST-4 and such). When I studied with him in the early 70s he was working on using the (very new) micro-computer to realize new sounds based on mathematical formulations. It was thrilling to be doing something previously unrealized, but limited in it's musical applicability IMHO. about 1) - agreed. 2) in my experience neither is easy
it's a beautiful idea and one of very few that makes sense for music to exist outside of the subjective (ie the narcissistic), or as close to outside it as possible.
My interpretation of Evryali and Herma is that they are both difficult in their own ways. Evryali is difficult for its notable muscular challenges, but is rather rhythmically simple when compared to Herma, which consists of multiple cross-rhythms and extreme psychological difficulties.
Agreed. What do you think of his daugher's interpretations of Xenakis (Aki Takahashi)? I enjoyed seeing Y.T.'s hands playing Xenakis. I couldn't do that in a million years!
It takes someone who understands the music to be able to play a given piece in such a way... Frankly, I can't understand Boulez's music! I believe it really is just a matter of taste! I don't believe in a hierarchy, but there must be different complexities in music.
you can hate those composers but 1) Dissonance is a relative term (in the middle ages 3rds and 6th were «dissonance») 2) They try a new approach to music (it's easy to compose something (something functional) from a tonal system who is implanted since Bach) 3) The fact that Xenakis works from mathematics do not make the music mathematical it's sensed and he sensed his music and he liked it (anyway music is mathematical)
me imagino que los primeros grandes compositores imaginaron que algun dia llegaria en que el ser no estaria satisfecho con la ilimitada fuente de armonias y progresiones, sino que cambiaria el significado de armonia y exploraria lo q en algun momento fuera una aberracion.
Thanks for the information about the performance date and place. I have not followed him in the intervening years, and I presume I could find this out with a little research, but can you tell me if Yuji is not performing much at all now, performing mostly his own pieces, or ... ?
Do we know when this video is from? I knew Yugi when he was teaching at Indiana U (briefly) while Xenakis was there (also briefly). That was late 60s early 70s. I remember more vigor when he performed this then, but I like this more tender rendering.
It is music that requires a different ear than anything you'd hear on the radio. And even if you can't aurally understand what the pitches and rhythms are doing, you can at least appreciate the extreme virtuosity required to play something like this. Takahasi really rips it up.
Seriously, would anybody notice if he hit a wrong note? Or a whole series of them?Are you going to tell me that even Xenakis would notice? Feels like the Emperor's new clothes to me.
4) to listen to such a music you must experience it with another type of listening. 5) Music is: «the art of organised sounds» and it's not anything else, sorry dude, but art is concept (idea), technicality (matter vs. idea) and social response.
Oooh, how I hate Xenakis, Shöneberg, Webern and the likes. I will never accept this as being "music", this is pollution by sound, it is noise. Dissonance can be great, beautiful, shocking yet musical, and lots of contemporary pieces are too. Noise, is just noise. Xenakis was an architect, he built, calculated his pieces, he didn't compose them. So it might be mathematically ingenius, but like I said, I will never accept that as music. This is, however, my humble opinion on the matter only.
I disagree with Takahashi because "Kokoro sakai kusidai, baka" This is an ultimate last piece or retiring piece for a piano. Where is the Piano Protection Society
i bet im reading ur comment wrong or somthing but i think this work was not a commission. xenakis has been dead for a long time. good riddance. it takes a brave person to subject themselves to the tomatos that would be flying at them on stage for playing crud like this.
今から16年前、水戸芸術館であった「日本の実験音楽1960s」は、今思うととても刺激的な企画だった。
一柳慧、小杉武久、高橋アキ、そして高橋悠治…。
私自身はとても楽しく、感動・感激に溢れたひとときを過ごさせてもらった記憶があるが、あのコンサート自体が巻き起こした賛否両論の数々を思い起こすと、あの場所に居合わせていたことを、音楽愛好家として一生大切にしていきたいと改めて思う。
自身の演奏を終えた後、一番後ろの列の席で聴いていた私の、一つ空けた右の席にスッと腰をかけ、他の演奏を聴き始めた高橋悠治氏を見て、私は右半身がしびれるような感動を覚えたことを今でも忘れない。
良い体験でしたね。音楽的体験です。カラヤン・ベルリンフィルを聴く以上の体験です。
This is MY favorite Xenakis! Yuji Takahashi is fantastic. He made this piece part of the repertoire by his sheer persistance in performance. It was written for him, and he's been performing it for more than 40 years!
I actually played this once in a concert, all memorized. I forgot about a whole page though and left it out. Nobody could even tell I had a memory slip.
_They_ won't notice, potentially, but _you_ will. It's an internal experience as much as it is an external one. The audience can be amazed by the craze. The performer is bewildered by themselves.
They won't notice, but maybe people that studied the piece will, and Xenakis certainly would...
Yeah I'd call it music. No, it's not exactly a pop song you'd sit and relax to, but it's an organisation of sound. Xenakis sat there and decided what notes he wanted where, no matter how bizarre. Similar to the Beatles sitting and deciding which chords to string together for their next tune, it's just that Xenakis amongst other similar composors chose to explore different sounds in their music.
I believe Aki Takahashi is in fact Yuji Takahashi's sister, not daughter. She is also a phenomenal pianist,and her 3LP set of LPs called "Piano Space" is one of the seminal contemporary recordings of new piano music. Her recording of Toshi Ichiyanagi's "Piano Media" is kind of legendary..
on 3) - there is an interview I saw but can't remember the details where Mr X said he didn't much like the stochastic pieces (ST-10, ST-4 and such). When I studied with him in the early 70s he was working on using the (very new) micro-computer to realize new sounds based on mathematical formulations. It was thrilling to be doing something previously unrealized, but limited in it's musical applicability IMHO.
about 1) - agreed. 2) in my experience neither is easy
Great video of a great performance of a great piece by Xenakis.
Damn, I'm supposed to be a stupid metalhead... and that stuff just freaks me out! It's awesome!
it's a beautiful idea and one of very few that makes sense for music to exist outside of the subjective (ie the narcissistic), or as close to outside it as possible.
Absolutely amazing.
My mistake. Aki is Yuji's sister, not his daughter.
See: Mode Records, Iannis Xenakis "Piano Music."
「楽譜を見ながらやってる暇はない」ｗｗｗ
My interpretation of Evryali and Herma is that they are both difficult in their own ways. Evryali is difficult for its notable muscular challenges, but is rather rhythmically simple when compared to Herma, which consists of multiple cross-rhythms and extreme psychological difficulties.
Agreed. What do you think of his daugher's interpretations of Xenakis (Aki Takahashi)? I enjoyed seeing Y.T.'s hands playing Xenakis. I couldn't do that in a million years!
良いな…
It takes someone who understands the music to be able to play a given piece in such a way... Frankly, I can't understand Boulez's music! I believe it really is just a matter of taste! I don't believe in a hierarchy, but there must be different complexities in music.
kocsis zoltán a legjobb :D
高橋悠治さんは、ピアニストに属する音楽家ではない。ピアノの最上級に上手な作曲家と言う分類になると考えた方が良い。kyvcbsさんの「一つ開けた席に彼が座った時に、私は右半身がしびれるような感動を覚えた」というコメントに★五つです。彼の存在は、音楽史の上の隔絶した存在のように思える。ウイーン帰りのピアノ教師は私のその感想に対して、意味が理解できず笑いで答えた。ヘルマが人間に演奏出来ると知ってから練習を始める事と、曲の価値を理解して取り敢えず音にする事には、距離があると感じる。かつて鹿児島で高橋悠治のピアノを聴いた。大きく開いた響板の下から、数えきれない様々な形の音の粒が高速で流れ出していくのが、快かった。音の粒が巨大な竜に成長し、音響の良い文化会館の中を駆け巡る幻影を、唖然として私は見ていた。あの体験と同列の体験を音楽で味わう事は少ない。広島でシェーンベルクを彼が弾いた時には、確かに感じる事が出来た。
you can hate those composers but
1) Dissonance is a relative term (in the middle ages 3rds and 6th were «dissonance»)
2) They try a new approach to music (it's easy to compose something (something functional) from a tonal system who is implanted since Bach)
3) The fact that Xenakis works from mathematics do not make the music mathematical it's sensed and he sensed his music and he liked it (anyway music is mathematical)
thanks!!!!
Brilliant!
こんな曲を、兄妹で暗譜しちゃうなんて、普通じゃないです。現代音楽スペシャリストなら当然、何てことはないはず。高橋アキの方が聴いてて安心感があったような気がします。
@kenfasano Yeah! I saw her play it some years ago and I was dumbfounded.
Xenakis dedicated Herma (1961) to Takahashi!
me imagino que los primeros grandes compositores imaginaron que algun dia llegaria en que el ser no estaria satisfecho con la ilimitada fuente de armonias y progresiones, sino que cambiaria el significado de armonia y exploraria lo q en algun momento fuera una aberracion.
Amazing...
Thanks for the information about the performance date and place. I have not followed him in the intervening years, and I presume I could find this out with a little research, but can you tell me if Yuji is not performing much at all now, performing mostly his own pieces, or ... ?
音の雲！
3:18 はリハーサルマーク +ABC (fff) 6 s/sのおわりのところ？
If you like experiment in music, just try TACUARA NOD, available on youtube
Do we know when this video is from? I knew Yugi when he was teaching at Indiana U (briefly) while Xenakis was there (also briefly). That was late 60s early 70s. I remember more vigor when he performed this then, but I like this more tender rendering.
Iannis Venakis."Herma" dedicated to Yuji Takahashi.
It is music that requires a different ear than anything you'd hear on the radio. And even if you can't aurally understand what the pitches and rhythms are doing, you can at least appreciate the extreme virtuosity required to play something like this. Takahasi really rips it up.
Unbelievable.
Great Pianist
Great Piece
("Herma" Of Iannis Xenakis Is Dedicated For Yuji
Takahashi, Xenakis And Takahashi Was Friends)
I suppose we had to go through this phase. But it's now completely out of favour.
Seriously, would anybody notice if he hit a wrong note? Or a whole series of them?Are you going to tell me that even Xenakis would notice? Feels like the Emperor's new clothes to me.
he has a typical musician hairstyle
❣️😔🌾
Does he write with serialism and tone rows, or is there another method involved?
No, but in this case he based his piece upon boolean algebra and stochastics en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herma_(Xenakis)
Thats the funniest thing I've seen in ages. ahhhh fuck man, made my day! lol
高橋悠治先生の頭の中は電子計算器（機）なのでしょう かっこいい！！
人間業じゃねぇ・・・
4) to listen to such a music you must experience it with another type of listening.
5) Music is: «the art of organised sounds» and it's not anything else, sorry dude, but art is concept (idea), technicality (matter vs. idea) and social response.
Uh....what the hell kind of piece is this. :/
I don't know...but it's kind of cool in a way.
@pelodelperro Haha. good point!
Hit a wrong note at 0:29
I love this piece! It's too bad there are these stupid voice over interruptions.
I can't stop laughing.
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wow, Xenakis has strange affect on you guys
ナレーションうるさい
不気味な曲だなぁ〜
Oooh, how I hate Xenakis, Shöneberg, Webern and the likes.
I will never accept this as being "music", this is pollution by sound, it is noise.
Dissonance can be great, beautiful, shocking yet musical, and lots of contemporary pieces are too. Noise, is just noise.
Xenakis was an architect, he built, calculated his pieces, he didn't compose them. So it might be mathematically ingenius, but like I said, I will never accept that as music.
This is, however, my humble opinion on the matter only.
Well, maybe while I'm having my head examined you should have your spelling examined.
это невозможно сыграть! я пытался сам
yes. why not, eh?
why bother defining something as nebulous as music? to someone in mongolia, rock music would be noise.
現代音楽専門にやっていたら上手くなるざるを得ない。
I disagree with Takahashi because "Kokoro sakai kusidai, baka"
This is an ultimate last piece or retiring piece for a piano.
Where is the Piano Protection Society
is really a genius? hmm. questions that make you think...
i bet im reading ur comment wrong or somthing but i think this work was not a commission. xenakis has been dead for a long time. good riddance. it takes a brave person to subject themselves to the tomatos that would be flying at them on stage for playing crud like this.
you try to become famouse with this music because you cant make a normal interpretation to a normal melody? :))
mi brother of 2 years old can play the same HAHAHAHAAHAAA
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