i was there! the hall, which is one of the biggest in moscow, was indeed almost completely empty and i had virtually the whole left section to myself... the concert must've been an absolute commercial failure, but it definitely was a splendid performance and definitely one of the best ever of monsieur dubov
Best video on UA-cam at the moment! One of Xenakis' greatest or orchestral works, with a very beautifully filmed video. what more could you ask for? :)
@@Georgiy_Griegorian С уважением отношусь к вашему вкусу и выбору. Мы привыкли оценивать музыку по мелодии. Здесь другой, непривычный подход. Звуковое сочетание строится не на мелодической основе, а на других законах созвучия, внутренних ощущениях автора, передаваемых через инструменты. Связь диссонирующих звуков обнаруживается в другой плоскости музыкальных ощущений. И когда начинаешь это ощущать, то состояние исполнителя становится созвучным нашему восприятию. Это новое направление приближающее к восприятию космической "Музыки Сфер". Наилучших вам пожеланий
Thanks for this video!!! It's great to see Xenakis' pieces in a live performance. The audio does not make justice to this music. It needs to be seen also.
I've spent a considerable amount of time trying to digest Xenakis' music over my life. I don't generally worship or disdain him, and I have a very mixed opinion over the span of his work. I do find this piece, and this performance, remarkable. I'm happy to get some new insight.
I wish it was possible to get a hold of Xenakis' sketches for this piece, the score is very enlightening but the matter of its formal organization has me very curious. I've seen papers making reference to how he received some inspiration from an entry in Scientific American, and there apparently used to be a PDF of such items in his estate that would've included his notes. Unfortunately my attempts to track that down have been in vain and it's quite a pity because there's some fascinating stuff here- For example the chords during the opening piano solo start out grouped by the Fibonacci series but then digress. There's a lot of canonic imitation with rhythmic distortion, etc etc. I just wish there was more written about this one because it really is one of his finest works. (btw, 8, 5, 8, 21, 3, 1, 2, then it diverges to 14, 2 and 6)
Thrilled to hear a new performance, and actually get to see it aswell. I find this work to be very violent, and so a good way to express my tensions! Thanks for the upload. (The absence of an audience suggests this is rehearsal).
+Tom Phillpotts : Agreed...many performances of Xenakis' music seem almost to affirm the erroneous notions that (1) "It's just all noise" or (2) "It's just sound clouds."... This recording of Keqrops actually enables one to hear many of the distinct instrumental voices and patterns... very fine recording indeed.
At some point, I was a huge fan of Xenakis, but lost favor with some of his pieces. I have to say this piece is amazing. Beautiful performance and video crafting.
Fascinating to listen to! I wonder, in a non-leading question kind of way, what the experience of performing it is for the orchestra. I'm sure it's fun/powerful/exhausting for the soloist or they wouldn't do it in the first place, but for the 3rd oboe, say, or the 2nd trombone, is being part of the piece a wild, amazing ride? Is it just exhausting?
Octave B-flats?? In Stochastic music, this is the equivalent of winning the Powerball Lottery. Possibly somewhat contrived. Nice piece and excellent performance otherwise.
A great contrast to Abbado/Woodward. Just goes to show. Yes, this piece is the most balls-out, uncompromising piece Xenakis ever wrote. OK, maybe Erikhthon... or Synaphaï (Hiroaki Ooï playing piano Michiyoshi Inoue conducting LIVE performance on UA-cam ua-cam.com/video/9pBMxp8EJFA/v-deo.html!) It is what it is, you either like it or you don't.
John Atwell I love Xenakis, but I think that nothing can surpass the intensity and violence of Jonchaies. I find Keqrops interesting, but not so much to say I love it.
Naama might be a solid contender for the most balls out and uncompromising thing Xenakis wrote... But this will always be my favorite, and one of my favorite scores of all time.
I heard the world premier. It was the only time I have been to a concert where the audience didn't act like sheep and booed instead. The Wall Street Journal described this is as the sound of a medical ward before the days of anesthesia. The NY Times wrote "Unfortunately, in 'Keqrops' one could discern little of musical interest beyond such reminiscences." This was in the dark days of Zubin Mehta's disastrous tenure and the entire concert was a disaster. At one point Roger Woodward had to stop the performance of the Bach concerto because Mehta had led it so off track.
Quelle bizarrerie, cette musique de Xenakis! Je ne parle pas de la direction d'orchestre, ni de la virtuosité des musiciens, mais du compositeur himself. De la musique que je ne parviens pas à comprendre, à ressentir. Décidément, la musique contemporaine me dépasse. Cependant, pour faire de l'illustration musicale de reportages, de documentaires, il y aurait à prendre.
Ксенакис в своей музыке применяет звукоряды, построенные из смесей интервалов в 1-2-3-4 полутона, так что тритон может появиться как некое производное.
In MY opinion all his "music" is no more than a pitiful anecdote. Much like the "dadaists" in early XX century. Nothing to be enjoyed, nothing to be learned. RIP.
You can have it. But I do love the Polish school and HW Henze ,for example,and those are not precisely "beautiful, harmonius music" but they sure are as much avant garde as those who wrote stochastic and or "serial" pitiful stuff . 😂
Umm... can someone explain why people enjoy this please? I’m finding nothing of value in this, it sounds like it was written during a series of seizures, spasms and drunken dribbling. Really not sure why people like this, someone give me at least 5 reasons why it’s ‘good’ and I might listen to the rest.
Classical music (as anything culture) isn't a matter of "I heard it once and didn't like it". Especially in complex pieces such as this. If your taste has never suffered a revolution, you are just starting out as a listener. Just keep studying, and go back in time a little bit when you are overwhelmed, to come forward again later.
Eddie Hutchence If you wanna comprehend his musical beauty as we all do here, you should start with something more calm, for later climb to this kind of compositions. Since you’re a romantic listener, you won’t have a struggle to hear Impressionism, and then, moving to more atonal things. The thing is to adapt to the dissonances, then, you will love this compositions.
What do you regard as too far about this? There's still melodic curves, (admittedly very dense) harmonies, heck, the solo around 0:50 is based on an ostinato of those clusters. What specifically don't you like?
Haden Plouffe Look, I've accepted impressionism up until Stravinsky, but come on... I mean, the solo you're referring to sounds more like a child raping a piano... But if you like it, I'm not gonna judge you. You do you, I do me.
It takes a while to get used to sounds like this, I will admit, had you asked the me of three years ago if this was good music (heck, probably music at all), I would've answered with a resounding no, but over time I've come to love music like this and some music that arguably makes this look tame. This is quite a long ways from Stravinsky and there's a ton of stuff in between that you could utilize to acclimate yourself, as it were. Still, it is all ultimately subjective, but personally this stands as one of my very favorite pieces to date, no matter how much I would've hated it back in the day.
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i was there! the hall, which is one of the biggest in moscow, was indeed almost completely empty and i had virtually the whole left section to myself... the concert must've been an absolute commercial failure, but it definitely was a splendid performance and definitely one of the best ever of monsieur dubov
Every new Xenakis piece that I'd somehow not heard before melts my face. Thanks!
Catchy tune. I played along to this a split second later with my headphones on.
Excellent performance, one of the best ''Keqrops '' that I've heard. Dubov reminds us that the piano is 88 tuned drums.
Best video on UA-cam at the moment!
One of Xenakis' greatest or orchestral works, with a very beautifully filmed video. what more could you ask for? :)
Чудесная, прекрасная музыка с очень богатой фантазией автора. Грандиозно!
У вас очень странные музыкальные вкусы.....
@@Georgiy_Griegorian А у Вас очень ограниченные вкусы. И все, что выходит за рамки вашего восприятия для вас странно.
@@ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов так уж и быть , соглашусь с вами.
@@Georgiy_Griegorian С уважением отношусь к вашему вкусу и выбору. Мы привыкли оценивать музыку по мелодии. Здесь другой, непривычный подход. Звуковое сочетание строится не на мелодической основе, а на других законах созвучия, внутренних ощущениях автора, передаваемых через инструменты. Связь диссонирующих звуков обнаруживается в другой плоскости музыкальных ощущений. И когда начинаешь это ощущать, то состояние исполнителя становится созвучным нашему восприятию. Это новое направление приближающее к восприятию космической "Музыки Сфер". Наилучших вам пожеланий
@@ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов спасибо за пожелания , и за то , что рассказали мне , было приятно прочитать и понять , всего хорошего
Thanks for this video!!! It's great to see Xenakis' pieces in a live performance. The audio does not make justice to this music. It needs to be seen also.
I've spent a considerable amount of time trying to digest Xenakis' music over my life. I don't generally worship or disdain him, and I have a very mixed opinion over the span of his work. I do find this piece, and this performance, remarkable. I'm happy to get some new insight.
I mean, how do you compose such music? Let alone perform! Hats off.
I wish it was possible to get a hold of Xenakis' sketches for this piece, the score is very enlightening but the matter of its formal organization has me very curious. I've seen papers making reference to how he received some inspiration from an entry in Scientific American, and there apparently used to be a PDF of such items in his estate that would've included his notes. Unfortunately my attempts to track that down have been in vain and it's quite a pity because there's some fascinating stuff here- For example the chords during the opening piano solo start out grouped by the Fibonacci series but then digress. There's a lot of canonic imitation with rhythmic distortion, etc etc. I just wish there was more written about this one because it really is one of his finest works.
(btw, 8, 5, 8, 21, 3, 1, 2, then it diverges to 14, 2 and 6)
Just stunning! wow!
How surprisingly catchy for Xenakis
Thrilled to hear a new performance, and actually get to see it aswell. I find this work to be very violent, and so a good way to express my tensions! Thanks for the upload. (The absence of an audience suggests this is rehearsal).
Astonishing!
This piece reminds me very much of some of the music of Poul Ruders.. Thank you for posting... one of the best Xenakis uploads on UA-cam :-)
...or perhaps it's RUDERS' music that reminds me of Xenakis'... X probably influenced R..
Great piece of music, great performance
I much prefer this recording to the Abbado/Woodward interpretation. This one is more subtle and less aggressive. Very nice!
+Tom Phillpotts : Agreed...many performances of Xenakis' music seem almost to affirm the erroneous notions that (1) "It's just all noise" or (2) "It's just sound clouds."... This recording of Keqrops actually enables one to hear many of the distinct instrumental voices and patterns... very fine recording indeed.
An almost empty auditorium, that's a shame.
perhaps this was a rehearsal
@@pawdaw nah, nobody dresses up like this for rehearsals
For real thought this was during corona time because of that
Thank you for the upload!
At some point, I was a huge fan of Xenakis, but lost favor with some of his pieces. I have to say this piece is amazing. Beautiful performance and video crafting.
Fascinating to listen to! I wonder, in a non-leading question kind of way, what the experience of performing it is for the orchestra. I'm sure it's fun/powerful/exhausting for the soloist or they wouldn't do it in the first place, but for the 3rd oboe, say, or the 2nd trombone, is being part of the piece a wild, amazing ride? Is it just exhausting?
A gargantuan composition no doubt.
Fab.
0:01 When you close the door too hard after Mom told you to go to your room:
quite good ...
Cancer medications washed down with Red Wine helped compose this.
Octave B-flats?? In Stochastic music, this is the equivalent of winning the Powerball Lottery. Possibly somewhat contrived. Nice piece and excellent performance otherwise.
I mean it sounds nice, so I give it a pass
5:33 cadenza
They just do what they want and stop when they are all tired. Believe me.
A great contrast to Abbado/Woodward. Just goes to show. Yes, this piece is the most balls-out, uncompromising piece Xenakis ever wrote. OK, maybe Erikhthon... or Synaphaï (Hiroaki Ooï playing piano Michiyoshi Inoue conducting LIVE performance on UA-cam ua-cam.com/video/9pBMxp8EJFA/v-deo.html!) It is what it is, you either like it or you don't.
John Atwell I love Xenakis, but I think that nothing can surpass the intensity and violence of Jonchaies. I find Keqrops interesting, but not so much to say I love it.
I have Arturo Tamayo's version of Jonchaies, and it doesn't do much for me... maybe another version is better?
Naama might be a solid contender for the most balls out and uncompromising thing Xenakis wrote... But this will always be my favorite, and one of my favorite scores of all time.
Such a shame!! Empty hall!! The Moscow’s audience should definitely sharpen their musical taste! Be more open minded to New Music!
Okay, at 0:53, you can clearly see that the pianist is just banging in the keys. How is this music?
The Queen's Propaganda do you understand something about piano?
The Queen's Propaganda If you hate the clusters, then just listen to the top notes of what he’s playing and it’ll sound fine
Does all music have to be pretty to you? Surely, prettiness is not the only facet of life worth exploring in music.
I heard the world premier. It was the only time I have been to a concert where the audience didn't act like sheep and booed instead. The Wall Street Journal described this is as the sound of a medical ward before the days of anesthesia. The NY Times wrote "Unfortunately, in 'Keqrops' one could discern little of musical interest beyond such reminiscences." This was in the dark days of Zubin Mehta's disastrous tenure and the entire concert was a disaster. At one point Roger Woodward had to stop the performance of the Bach concerto because Mehta had led it so off track.
Because it is
The lack of audience exemplifies the "rubbish value" of this so called music.
Quelle bizarrerie, cette musique de Xenakis!
Je ne parle pas de la direction d'orchestre, ni de la virtuosité des musiciens, mais du compositeur himself.
De la musique que je ne parviens pas à comprendre, à ressentir.
Décidément, la musique contemporaine me dépasse.
Cependant, pour faire de l'illustration musicale de reportages, de documentaires, il y aurait à prendre.
Ludwig Van Beethoven, you found me! (ignore if not Beethoven)
@𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙 Don’t rub it in
Мрак И Ужас !!!!
Zarojdenie iz vselenskogo haosa
Членчленчленчлен
@@АлександрАлексеевич-н3ю НЕразумно
здесь одни тритоны, по моему
Около 6.01" появляется и терция - Виталий, будьте внимательны!
Ксенакис в своей музыке применяет звукоряды, построенные из смесей интервалов в 1-2-3-4 полутона, так что тритон может появиться как некое производное.
I ne tolyko ;)
In MY opinion all his "music" is no more than a pitiful anecdote. Much like the "dadaists" in early XX century. Nothing to be enjoyed, nothing to be learned. RIP.
You can have it. But I do love the Polish school and HW Henze ,for example,and those are not precisely "beautiful, harmonius music" but they sure are as much avant garde as those who wrote stochastic and or "serial" pitiful stuff . 😂
Umm... can someone explain why people enjoy this please? I’m finding nothing of value in this, it sounds like it was written during a series of seizures, spasms and drunken dribbling. Really not sure why people like this, someone give me at least 5 reasons why it’s ‘good’ and I might listen to the rest.
@@Kirmariel well why not write music rather than write buildings?
@@Kirmariel clearly his style just isn't up my road, I'll stick to the Romantics
Classical music (as anything culture) isn't a matter of "I heard it once and didn't like it". Especially in complex pieces such as this. If your taste has never suffered a revolution, you are just starting out as a listener. Just keep studying, and go back in time a little bit when you are overwhelmed, to come forward again later.
You must retry to listen. It's one of the most beautiful Xenakis's piece
Eddie Hutchence If you wanna comprehend his musical beauty as we all do here, you should start with something more calm, for later climb to this kind of compositions. Since you’re a romantic listener, you won’t have a struggle to hear Impressionism, and then, moving to more atonal things. The thing is to adapt to the dissonances, then, you will love this compositions.
Ok this is where I draw the line.
This has gone too far...
What do you regard as too far about this? There's still melodic curves, (admittedly very dense) harmonies, heck, the solo around 0:50 is based on an ostinato of those clusters. What specifically don't you like?
Haden Plouffe Look, I've accepted impressionism up until Stravinsky, but come on...
I mean, the solo you're referring to sounds more like a child raping a piano...
But if you like it, I'm not gonna judge you. You do you, I do me.
It takes a while to get used to sounds like this, I will admit, had you asked the me of three years ago if this was good music (heck, probably music at all), I would've answered with a resounding no, but over time I've come to love music like this and some music that arguably makes this look tame. This is quite a long ways from Stravinsky and there's a ton of stuff in between that you could utilize to acclimate yourself, as it were. Still, it is all ultimately subjective, but personally this stands as one of my very favorite pieces to date, no matter how much I would've hated it back in the day.
Well Spoderman has an opinion
if anything it hasnt goNE FaAR ENOUGH
🤮
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