Been playing Disc since the launch have gotten so much crap but I don't care I love it! I've noticed that in fights like Nyth, Elerethe, and Dragons I can't be touched on heals but I fall far behind on all the other bosses. Might change some talents after seeing this vid. Thanks man!!!
Provided the character is equally skilled I'd say they both are very strong. Disc is definitely harder for people to pick up so keep that in mind, but if I was a raid leader I'd look for the more skilled of the two players than choose based on their spec.
Maybe not so much about the video and what you were talking about (dont worry, watched it all nevertheless, cus I'm interested in the spec!) but what was that Ursoc tactic? seemed interesting. Does it not hurt having people (ranged) be that far away? Always been super paranoid about the 25y range, since it does so much more dmg if people aren't soaking it, but that tactic seemed way easier for the stationary kind of casters to deal with.
Man you are freaking amazing! I am currently out so i can't open it atm :(. Also what addons do you use for the cooldown tracking? in the previous the "basic" priest guide there was a bar across the middle with all the cooldown timers.
I'm curious, if you know of Jinze (Proper Bird), how do you feel about her? She's in a similar spot to you, except where you play more Holy, she plays more disc. I watch both of you for all my healing advice, and I'm just wondering what you think of her.
I was on FinalBoss with her ages ago! ua-cam.com/video/ZiO-J60fMG8/v-deo.html She's great, we have some differences of opinion on playstyle in some areas but shes always fun to talk to and quite knowledgeable.
Hello. Great vid! Question for you. I heard you say in 5 mans (which I'm only going to do, mythic+ 5mans) that we should do haste/crit. Now should I try to get as much gear with haste/crit on it, or should I get some gear with mastery on it, like 2-3 pieces? I haven't played the game in over 2 years so getting in on the swing of things again.
Oh I get that point, my main point was should I go all crit or mastery for my secondary stat for the 5mans or does it really not matter that much since it's 5 mans? I know mythic the higher you get the harder it is, so I want to make sure I max out what I need to do those higher up ones.
Hey Jak, you make the greatest videos with the best explanations! I recently re rolled a priest and originally decided to go disc. I really like to concept behind the play style. I got discouraged quickly though as I fell behind on the meters. I switched to Holy and I'm now I'm going back and forth on which spec I want to main. I'm worried that I won't get into as many groups as disc as I will as holy. I hear good and bad things about both specs and I'm really just torn. Is one preferable over the other for different levels of content? I'm not looking to top end raid. But I'd like to have steady progression
Hey thank you so much! Glad you dig em! I think you can succeed in either spec and prove the doubters wrong no matter what you play. That said, people generally look down on Disc more than they look down on Holy but you should main whichever you are more interested in.
Is dbm timers good? I noticed when the timer hits 0 on ursoc, the damage usually comes in 6 seconds after the dbm timer run out. I used to start applying atonement about 10 seconds on the timer and when I damaged to heal atonement were down to about 3 (in a 12 to 15 man raid). I only had time to focus on this boss atm. do you find dbm timers to be exact? is the timer just when the spell is off cd from the boss? coming back from a 4 year break so I forgot how dbm works or if any mechanics changes were made in the game.
i had no problems with dbm yet. keep in mind the timer for, lets say ursocs gaze is only showing when he casts it. the damage will come ~5-7 seconds later, depending on how far the targeted player ran. dbm timers are always pointing out the start of a mechanic. you can observe that at ~ 5:35 in the video.
R. Gletscher I got ursoc down. but what ability should I watch on nythendra? I see volatile rot. I stack my atonement like 5 seconds before dbm timer disappears. but before that the spew comes from the corner of the room and I miss my window of having full atonement up and preparing to cast let's say lights wrath.
bigvic71C yeah i noticed that aswell. you can adjust to it yourself (i just wrote it on a post-it for the first 2 weeks to remember myself, haha), OR you could create weakauras that are more precise for yourself. i cant remember where, but there was a export string for all major abilitys we have to watch out for. i think it was on the sticky discipline guide in the mmo-champion forums.(forums -> priest -> sticky) i made my own by myself, but those could be nice if you dont want to read into WA's.
hey jak! great guide. one thing I noticed though. As someone who is forced to switch from holy to disc because of guild needs I have seen you not use Plea at all. is this how It should be played? it would make it a lot less clunky
Djonko id actually forgotten to mention this in the video but you'll use minor amounts of Plea but not very much. Very few casts during a fight where maybe PWS is on cd and you wanted to put an atone on someone standing in bad or something.
That chest is easily top 3 of the legendries for us. When u have innervate and high atonements out spam the fuck out of plea because the timer on the buff stacks. Good Luck and gratz!
Hey Jak, thank you for your dicipline guide it helped me a lot to get detailed information about this priest specc. But i have a question concerning your first clip fighting Nythendra: how did the healdruid do over 300k dps ? Hes directly behind the Moonkin. Ich hope its not a bug because id like to understand how he does that much damage. Hope you can help me. Greetings meSoul
I'm workin on it as we speak actually, there is some debate and multiple differing opinions so I'm trying to provide the best possible answer that'll also give me the least amount of flack :D
I guess I haven't kept up on priests. It's my new alt that I got to 110 and when legion started I just remember lots of guides and people saying that Disc isn't viable as a dungeon/raid healer. So have things really changed since the opening of legion or were those people wrong?
walter aliaga many, many of them were wrong. Lots of ppl completely gave up on disc when they neutered it's absorbs and declared it useless. In reality it's very strong but difficult
I know it's hard to rank healing since some peoples play styles just go better with others, but as a raid healer and assuming the same skill lvl on both, which would be the better healing spec?
They're both equally good at the moment and I think it really comes down to what the player is interested in. Pick one and push to master it and you'll be just fine!
Jak, i checked out your UI video and you mention disc vuhdo options yet on your ipaste profile they are nowhere to be found. All i find are the holy ones.
Will be the topic of my next videos! In short, focus less on using Atonement to heal in M+ and more on SMend spam in them. Be aggressive with using Pain Sup/Barrier and use Rapture very frequently.
I stopped playing about a month before WoD came out, and just started playing again a little over a month ago. So far all I have done is an LFR. But it seems to me like Disc is even more of a tank healing spec, and less effective in helping out in raid healing. Of course, I'm not geared. I think I'm at an 839 IL. But it sure seems like I need to focus more on the tanks, and less on raid healing, than ever before.
They're pretty amazing at burst tank healing because Shadow Mend, but god does it suck down mana. Disc is really good at steady raid healing, and then they can easily burst out huge numbers if they use radiance and rapture correctly
Quick question regarding Legendaries (hope you havent answered this before, havent found it if you have!): In your basic guide you list Prydaz as the best legendary for us Disc priests. Meanwhile everyone else bashes it and laughs whenever anyone gets one. What makes this items so good for us while it apparantly is absolutely shit for everyone else ?
Propably cause of stats. This legendary is useless in most of encounters cause you are constantly getting damage and you have no control on the proc. Also it's shields you for only 15% hp which is like 300-400k max so usually it won't make any diffrence. Especially comparing to some legendaries which have very powerful effect.
The Neck has good stats/socket but the shielding effect is incredibly powerful and results in a very high amount of healing done. Neither Holy nor Disc have a personal at the moment, the Fade Artifact Trait is so insignificant if you've even reached it yet, that having that bit of extra shielding can also be amazing in progression.
To be honest... I loved my Disc priest, but stopped in Legion. I switched over to Holy mostly because I was scared of finding these windows. To be the guy who just stands there and DPS while my raid is dying :I I'm happy with my Holy but I miss my high times ^^ the 99% 100% rankings I had from time to time are mostly 70-80% now, often lower but I guess I have to deal with it. Thanks for the infos though, but I guess I'll stay with Holy for now :)
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Liked and Subbed. Some of the best guide content I've found, really appreciate the work you've put into this.
Been playing Disc since the launch have gotten so much crap but I don't care I love it! I've noticed that in fights like Nyth, Elerethe, and Dragons I can't be touched on heals but I fall far behind on all the other bosses. Might change some talents after seeing this vid. Thanks man!!!
Great video, thanks! ^^
Great video, do you have pawn strings for disc?
Yep! pastebin.com/u/automaticjak
Thank You
Your vid was really helpful, thank you! But what are the Mindbender and Solace changes you are referencing? I can't find them in the patch notes.
Mindbender's mana return was reduced by around 25% and Solace was buffed slightly. Even still, Shield Discipline is stronger than them both
Great info overall, watched the holy one too. How would you rate disc vs holy in mythic raiding atm? Mainly on progression.
Provided the character is equally skilled I'd say they both are very strong. Disc is definitely harder for people to pick up so keep that in mind, but if I was a raid leader I'd look for the more skilled of the two players than choose based on their spec.
Maybe not so much about the video and what you were talking about (dont worry, watched it all nevertheless, cus I'm interested in the spec!) but what was that Ursoc tactic? seemed interesting. Does it not hurt having people (ranged) be that far away? Always been super paranoid about the 25y range, since it does so much more dmg if people aren't soaking it, but that tactic seemed way easier for the stationary kind of casters to deal with.
It was really easy for us, casters didnt have to move much and we never ran into issues splitting damage at all.
Can you do a video of the exact set up you use for the grid/vuhdo. I really like how simplistic the healing add on is :)
Sure! I whipped up something real quick for ya :P ua-cam.com/video/Z92_jSX55Q8/v-deo.html
Man you are freaking amazing! I am currently out so i can't open it atm :(. Also what addons do you use for the cooldown tracking? in the previous the "basic" priest guide there was a bar across the middle with all the cooldown timers.
Alllllll of it in the UI video with links for you to import them yourself!
Any chance on getting PAWN strings for Disc?
I'm curious, if you know of Jinze (Proper Bird), how do you feel about her? She's in a similar spot to you, except where you play more Holy, she plays more disc. I watch both of you for all my healing advice, and I'm just wondering what you think of her.
I was on FinalBoss with her ages ago! ua-cam.com/video/ZiO-J60fMG8/v-deo.html
She's great, we have some differences of opinion on playstyle in some areas but shes always fun to talk to and quite knowledgeable.
Great video all around - sub'n for sure.
Can you make more disc priest videos? I mean, fuck holy bro, fuck it.
Dude totally informative!!
Hello. Great vid! Question for you. I heard you say in 5 mans (which I'm only going to do, mythic+ 5mans) that we should do haste/crit. Now should I try to get as much gear with haste/crit on it, or should I get some gear with mastery on it, like 2-3 pieces? I haven't played the game in over 2 years so getting in on the swing of things again.
LegendaryOldwarrior focus on haste in general and go from there. The other stats aren't nearly as big of a deal compared to haste.
Oh I get that point, my main point was should I go all crit or mastery for my secondary stat for the 5mans or does it really not matter that much since it's 5 mans? I know mythic the higher you get the harder it is, so I want to make sure I max out what I need to do those higher up ones.
In an ideal world where you aren't sacrificing lots of intellect to get those stats then I'd go Haste>Crit>Mast for M+
Sorry I worded it wrong. But yea I will always go intell first. Yea I will do what you said. Thanks!
Hey Jak, you make the greatest videos with the best explanations! I recently re rolled a priest and originally decided to go disc. I really like to concept behind the play style. I got discouraged quickly though as I fell behind on the meters. I switched to Holy and I'm now I'm going back and forth on which spec I want to main. I'm worried that I won't get into as many groups as disc as I will as holy. I hear good and bad things about both specs and I'm really just torn. Is one preferable over the other for different levels of content? I'm not looking to top end raid. But I'd like to have steady progression
Hey thank you so much! Glad you dig em!
I think you can succeed in either spec and prove the doubters wrong no matter what you play. That said, people generally look down on Disc more than they look down on Holy but you should main whichever you are more interested in.
Is dbm timers good? I noticed when the timer hits 0 on ursoc, the damage usually comes in 6 seconds after the dbm timer run out. I used to start applying atonement about 10 seconds on the timer and when I damaged to heal atonement were down to about 3 (in a 12 to 15 man raid). I only had time to focus on this boss atm. do you find dbm timers to be exact? is the timer just when the spell is off cd from the boss? coming back from a 4 year break so I forgot how dbm works or if any mechanics changes were made in the game.
They aren't perfect but they are good for guidelines. You kinda have to adjust accordingly.
i had no problems with dbm yet. keep in mind the timer for, lets say ursocs gaze is only showing when he casts it. the damage will come ~5-7 seconds later, depending on how far the targeted player ran. dbm timers are always pointing out the start of a mechanic.
you can observe that at ~ 5:35 in the video.
R. Gletscher I got ursoc down. but what ability should I watch on nythendra? I see volatile rot. I stack my atonement like 5 seconds before dbm timer disappears. but before that the spew comes from the corner of the room and I miss my window of having full atonement up and preparing to cast let's say lights wrath.
bigvic71C yeah i noticed that aswell. you can adjust to it yourself (i just wrote it on a post-it for the first 2 weeks to remember myself, haha), OR you could create weakauras that are more precise for yourself.
i cant remember where, but there was a export string for all major abilitys we have to watch out for. i think it was on the sticky discipline guide in the mmo-champion forums.(forums -> priest -> sticky) i made my own by myself, but those could be nice if you dont want to read into WA's.
R. Gletscher I'll check out that string. thanks allot
What is that area where he has access to all the players in order to heal quicker?
Thank you for this!!!
Seem to have missed that in your addon video, but what is that addon in your top right corner that tells you to use PW:R instead of Plea?
Ya missed it because I forgot to list it! It is a weakaura and you can import the string from here! wago.io/Eyvqyfcv-
Thanks a lot!
Can you tell me what addon for the CD bars of Power word: shield and Penance? Very cool!!
Its a weakaura! I have an entire UI video on this channel that goes over it and links to it all.
For alliance do you find shadowmeld worth it for QoL. or would you suggest any other race? thanks for what you do to the community bud!
I don't really make any suggestions on races, I just play what looks good to me!
hey jak! great guide.
one thing I noticed though. As someone who is forced to switch from holy to disc because of guild needs I have seen you not use Plea at all. is this how It should be played? it would make it a lot less clunky
Djonko id actually forgotten to mention this in the video but you'll use minor amounts of Plea but not very much. Very few casts during a fight where maybe PWS is on cd and you wanted to put an atone on someone standing in bad or something.
That chest is easily top 3 of the legendries for us. When u have innervate and high atonements out spam the fuck out of plea because the timer on the buff stacks. Good Luck and gratz!
Yeah as Flint said the chest is exceptionally strong and it will change things up a little bit. Don't feel bad about having it at all!
Hey Jak, thank you for your dicipline guide it helped me a lot to get detailed information about this priest specc. But i have a question concerning your first clip fighting Nythendra: how did the healdruid do over 300k dps ? Hes directly behind the Moonkin. Ich hope its not a bug because id like to understand how he does that much damage. Hope you can help me. Greetings meSoul
Its just a bug, I think they joined late or something so my damage meters didnt update, but if you look at my raid frames it shows that player as DPS
Automatic Jak Thank you for your answer. 350k woudl have been too good for restro :D
Also I noticed you only got Pawn strings for holy priest. Gonna upload some for disc soon?
I'm workin on it as we speak actually, there is some debate and multiple differing opinions so I'm trying to provide the best possible answer that'll also give me the least amount of flack :D
Useful info. Thanks.
I guess I haven't kept up on priests. It's my new alt that I got to 110 and when legion started I just remember lots of guides and people saying that Disc isn't viable as a dungeon/raid healer. So have things really changed since the opening of legion or were those people wrong?
walter aliaga many, many of them were wrong. Lots of ppl completely gave up on disc when they neutered it's absorbs and declared it useless. In reality it's very strong but difficult
I know it's hard to rank healing since some peoples play styles just go better with others, but as a raid healer and assuming the same skill lvl on both, which would be the better healing spec?
They're both equally good at the moment and I think it really comes down to what the player is interested in. Pick one and push to master it and you'll be just fine!
what changes were made to mindbender? i don't remember seeing anything
i think its .75% instead of 1.0% right?
@mrpeak111 I wasnt "telling" anyone incorrect information. Notice the question mark at the end. It was a question =)
Jak, i checked out your UI video and you mention disc vuhdo options yet on your ipaste profile they are nowhere to be found. All i find are the holy ones.
Yeah for some reason it doesn't export all of my possible profile options and I thought it did. Ah well, here's a link! pastebin.com/qYZbkxPW
Hey, I have no problems when healing raids with my disc. But I'm struggling with healing mythic + over 7. Any tips?
Will be the topic of my next videos! In short, focus less on using Atonement to heal in M+ and more on SMend spam in them. Be aggressive with using Pain Sup/Barrier and use Rapture very frequently.
Nice video!
on your grid, the debuffs and buffs get big then shrink, what addon is that?
brandon keating it's Vuhdo!
What's that glowing thing next to Vuhdo (and do you rely on Vuhdo's click to heal? I try to only do mouseover)
Cthulhu-sensei The bar? It's a Weakaura. All of my UI stuff is covered in a video on this channel, link is in the description above.
Automatic Jak Thanks! I'll have to check that out, I've always used Clique and Grid. You make awesome videos. B)
I stopped playing about a month before WoD came out, and just started playing again a little over a month ago.
So far all I have done is an LFR. But it seems to me like Disc is even more of a tank healing spec, and less effective in helping out in raid healing.
Of course, I'm not geared. I think I'm at an 839 IL. But it sure seems like I need to focus more on the tanks, and less on raid healing, than ever before.
Disci is actually pretty horribile as tank healing, they are burst healers now mostly
They're pretty amazing at burst tank healing because Shadow Mend, but god does it suck down mana.
Disc is really good at steady raid healing, and then they can easily burst out huge numbers if they use radiance and rapture correctly
Standing near the tank with volatile rot while getting hit by a breath... Are you teaching people to parse or to be good raiders?
FunnyDougy are you interested in having a substantial discussion or just making snide comments on a 4 month old video?
Quick question regarding Legendaries (hope you havent answered this before, havent found it if you have!):
In your basic guide you list Prydaz as the best legendary for us Disc priests. Meanwhile everyone else bashes it and laughs whenever anyone gets one. What makes this items so good for us while it apparantly is absolutely shit for everyone else ?
Propably cause of stats. This legendary is useless in most of encounters cause you are constantly getting damage and you have no control on the proc. Also it's shields you for only 15% hp which is like 300-400k max so usually it won't make any diffrence. Especially comparing to some legendaries which have very powerful effect.
The Neck has good stats/socket but the shielding effect is incredibly powerful and results in a very high amount of healing done. Neither Holy nor Disc have a personal at the moment, the Fade Artifact Trait is so insignificant if you've even reached it yet, that having that bit of extra shielding can also be amazing in progression.
To be honest... I loved my Disc priest, but stopped in Legion. I switched over to Holy mostly because I was scared of finding these windows. To be the guy who just stands there and DPS while my raid is dying :I I'm happy with my Holy but I miss my high times ^^ the 99% 100% rankings I had from time to time are mostly 70-80% now, often lower but I guess I have to deal with it. Thanks for the infos though, but I guess I'll stay with Holy for now :)
left a sub aswell. You know your stuff ^^
Thank ya so much :D some things have been updated for the latest patch, I just put out videos for both specs!
Automatic Jak watched them before this one ^^
druid healing is the best in the game
dude you're really good looking and cute. You also look like you have a calm and relax personality :)
He has that Mormon missionary look, great videos though, clean and to the point.
way too clunky, was a good idea in theory, ill stick with holy and have real healing
You mean easy, monotonous, monitor, and wait for health bars to drop healing. :p