So glad i found your videos, I have done tons of reading into the Holy Priest, needed some more perspectives, and your videos helped me get a couple new ideas on how to improve and be a better priest.
Just discovered your videos after rerolling from mw to priest. Not sure what I wanna invest my AP into, but holy is looking strong. Great videos dude, subbed and excited to see more!
hello.I enjoy your guides.really great job.I have main holy priest.I have some questions about stats.I am confused about it.I have around 40% mastery,27% crit and 9% haste.Using bracers and cloak as legendaries.As you can see,i prioritize crit and mastery in my gear.I am casual,doing only mytic plus and pug heroic NH atm.Are my stats ok? do you recommend to go with more haste?I dont use any NH set item since their ilvl are quite low.The ones i have are around 875 ilvl which is low for my ilvl(905 equipped).Any suggestions?
Two points... ... the first, Benediction actually can be very strong on some bosses on Tyrannical, like the last boss in COS (also the Enforcers in COS if people are dumb enough to stand in LOS of their explosion). Outside of these narrow circumstances, I take Apotheosis almost exclusively (unless I'm just coming from raid and forgot to respec :p ... but I'm going full-time Shadow now so my Hpriest is basically M+ only at this point). The second point, in regards to Binding Heal: this is actually the best hps AND hpm heal that we have, assuming you need to heal yourself and someone within range of the bonus heal needs healing also (not really that uncommon, but not 100% either as you must know from your experience). Binding Heal doesn't proc Blessing of T'uure, though, but if you do proc it from a Heal or Flash Heal, spam away! Your group will come up very quickly. I've also found that it can sort of compensate for priests lacking much in the way of defensives, just by maintaining decent hps on yourself also. Anyway, here's the math: BH heals 300% SP to 3 targets for 2.5% mana with a 1.5s base cast speed: 300*3/2.5 = 360hpm 300*3/1.5 = 600hps Comparing to Flash Heal, with Trail of Light and the Legendary bracers (the most static buffs you can give to FH), which is 475% SP to 1.4 targets for 2.8* mana on a 1.3sec cast time: 475*1.4/2.8 = 237hpm 475*1.4/1.3 = 511hps And for good measure, PoH, which actually beats out BH in hps (but not hpm) if you can hit all 5 targets effectively. 250% SP, 4.5% mana, 5 targets, with & without bracers: 250/4.5*5 = 278hpm 250/2*5 = 625hps w/o bracers 250/2*1.15*5 = 719hps w/ bracers Also, for the hell of it, what's Heal like? 500% SP, 2.5s cast, 1.7% mana: 500/1.7 = 294hpm 500/2.5 = 200hps 500/2.5*1.15 = 230hps w/ bracers Thanks for the great videos!
Problem with Benediction is that you're stuck taking it for the entirety of the instance, so while it can shine in a very narrow scenario in the instance, it can be useless the rest of the time. Furthermore, in many of those scenarios its definitely very easy to get a full blanket of Renews going, but after those Renews have been applied, Benediction does not have any other sort of value. Last boss of CoS for example, its substantially better to use Apoth to assist with players who are hit by the rend bleed, constantly refreshing Renews can be nice for a short period, but on high Tyrannical it will quickly start chewing through their entire healthpools. And if you're not on tyrannical, you can easily use Apoth to help deal additional damage to make the timer, that flexibility is invaluable. Binding Heal can be okay, again thats assuming that multiple targets are taking heavy damage. The issue with your math is that, while accurate, it does not present the full picture of what is going on. By utilizing BH over FH, you delay your Serenities which are substantially more valuable than Sanctifies in M+. You also are missing any oppourtunity to proc BoT and your math doesn't reflect the impact a 20% heal increase would have, which is quite substantial. To get the full picture you'd be looking at how many extra Serenities that would be required on certain mobs vs how effective getting additional Sanctifies and slower Serenities would be based on the mobs faced, content that you are pursuing. The 75 tier in general is not overly restrictive so in theory you can definitely mix in BH after procing BoT for the most efficient healing possible, though again it has more of a niche position and relying on specific types of damage. HPM is fairly irrelevant in M+ as you can always have full mana before you start a big pull. This video was also made before PoH was buffed by 20% so it definitely has gotten substantially more useful, especially as new affixes have come out ramping up the party-wide damage that you'll face. Appreciate the discussion!
When I used the legendary belt, I really liked BH adding charges to both of my heals. I have the cloak, belt, bracers, and Prydaz, and I actually find myself running with a Drape of Shame, Prydaz, and Bracer now. Giving up that haste is tough once you have it! Also, the extra DPS from smite isn't bad (especially this week with Explosive, I run with about 40% crit and I can 1-shot the orbs in a 1-second cast if I crit). But if I ever drop below 75% hp and lose the legendary effect, I know that I have a good hps spell in BH which will bring me back up into the effect range soon enough.
I keep getting pushed to go disc, and people almost hesitant towards holy in high m+. I personally love it, or well, i love the playstyle and the tools you have. Smiled when you said you GS and ignore the person with GS just to do more dps (or heal others), exactly what I do :P Always nervwrecking when the tank just DONT WANT TO PROC it, and he's on like 2% healthwith 2 sec left of GS :P Also love overflowing, by far the most fun affix to play around, love the fact that you swap from keeping everyone topped all the time, to be very limited with what you heal. The dps part is not too bad on bosses (or big trashpacks in lower, mmmm love outdpsing the dps :D ), you can do 170-200k dps, that aint too bad. Just that your healing gets to suffer alot. What I do NOT like with holy at the moment is 1) how weak flash heal is, when you calculate it and realize you have to do 10-15 flashheal to get a tank back to full health, it just aint fun. serenity kinda makes up for it though
Flash heal is crazy strong right now. 10-15 casts is not a lot for getting a tank from 0 to 100. But the output of flash heal is higher than that. Because of serendipity, you have to count a percentage of holy word: serenity has healing done by flash heal. On top of that, while you're getting the tank from 0-100 you're also healing others through trail of light. I'm surprised that you're upset about flash heal when it's literally the strong aspect of our kit right now. It's also really mana efficient for its power level
Flash Heal is sadly all we do as hpriests. Aside from Sanctify/Serenity as needed for the big heals on cd, FH is our real only ability. In m+ the spike damage even from adds is so high that you have no time to really use anything but FH. PoH is a great group heal, especially for spreading Echo but its cast time and high mana cost make it kinda pointless, and the heroic-level Heal spam to keep Blessing of Tuure up doesnt cut it (due to cast time). I love hpriests but we basically are FH bots, we have a lot of great tools in our kit but half of them go unused in favor of the fastest casting healing ability we have simply because damage comes in so fast you dont get time to use anything else :(
hey dude. appreciate the videos you put out. I've also imported your VuhDo profile (I'm a fan, thank you). which brings me to my question. in this video you have another set (panel) on left...what is that for? please explain when you have a min. thank you.
josh p oh the extra party frames? There's no need for them, I used to play Shadow sometimes and I just left them up just because. I think I've disabled the party frames a couple days ago when someone else asked me about them on stream lol
Thanks for the little tips to enhance our healing game Jak. I have raid related question if you read this, I got the pants today so would that make Bene better than Apo? Or stick with apotheosis?
Quite likely will want to be running Bene now yeah. You'll get more options with the next patch when more legendaries are available. Just hoping they DROP!
Just a thought. I'm fairly certain Holy Nova still causes no threat, or atleast extremely reduced threat. However Standing in mele in higher affexis I still deadly depending on the situation lol.
Nope, don't really see the need for it. More often than not you'll want to get Serenity back as fast as possible and Trail of Light helps greatly with healing multiple targets at a time.
Hi Jack, I'm just curious about the lvl75 talent. You said that everything is pretty much a toss-up, but isn't Binding Heal one of the best throughput heals we have in our arsenal? I mean, we're healing 3 ppl with a 1.5sec cast, costing less than a Flash Heal, and also reduces cd on both Serenity and Sanctify by 3sec. Thoughts?
knumbi keep in mind trail of light's healing and it's ability to proc Blessing of Tuure and get Serenity back faster than BH. Couple that with the fact that Sanctify is often not that valuable in M+ so I generally don't take BH.
Automatic Jak I see, all fair points. But the only reason one would pick Surge of Light is for oh-shit moments, as the mana savings isn't relevant with all the mana breaks, and I think that BH trumps there, as there are many times where people are dropping fast in health and it's a race against the gcd - coming to think of the last two scorpions in NL. Imho, I think BH should be the recommended choice in that tier, at least in m+
Something i find usefull myself is using Censure to intrupt (if its possible) or stun an add when enraged. Mainly usefull when you got a group who doesnt got alot of intrupts/stuns or cant cordinate them well (uhum pugs). I know it sounds like a small thing, but its something i think could be worth mentioning :D But great guide, generally play the same way and dont really got issues with Mythic+ but very good for those still learning!
Hey Jak, I have a slightly unrelated question - what is your opinion on Holy Priest personal survivability? My guild is progressing Odyn M and it's become really noticeable to me the lack of any kind of personal CD we have as Holy. I basically have to save Guardian for myself incase I fuck up, and otherwise play the fight perfectly. It's annoying seeing Pala's with 500k more base HP, more armor, a personal on a 30s CD and bubble while we have nothing...
Kaiyon it's DEFINITELY a problem, I hate it so much. I did an analysis of my play on our first M Odyn kill if you wanna see that video on this channel but it's definitely tough.
I've always thought that the simplest solution would be to put 20% damage reduction on Fade, so we end up with a threat eliminating, 20% damage reduction personal on a 30 second CD (or whatever it is). I'm pretty sure at some point it gave 10%, so why they felt the need to remove it is honestly completely beyond me. ESPECIALLY when we're the only clothie healer class, so we're squishier by default.
Since Renew have been buffed and - Benediction talent + legendary legs with +6 renew timer is super strong, so flash heal is no more my best heal ability. :) I am trying to get to disco but its not really my style, I do really good in Holy spec and absolutely love it. Ty for inspiring that hope is not lost in Holy, Jak. :) My average rank by warcraft logs is about 95% (874 ilvl) so I think I am doing it right. :)
I really struggle with overflowing in M 8+, by far the most unfun affix, the spike damage can be too high at times to wait for people to drop to 75% before healing.
Hey Jack, sup? I just wondering about your stats in mythic+. I see u have some haste, or maybe it's my impression. I had capped 51% mastery and 28% crit chance (858 ilvl). I like to know what's about u and your stats in holy spec. Thanks for all yur videos, I learn and enjoy a lot.
That's really high mastery and crit for that low of an ilvl. Did you forego getting any haste/vers gear AT ALL? You probably want to prioritize ilvl more than you are, as intellect is way better than any of the secondary stats. Also, in dungeons the value of haste and crit go up. Crit passes mastery and haste gets close to mastery. So stat priority becomes less important here, and its more likely for higher ilvl gear to just win because of intellect.
Im at around 40% mastery, 30% crit. I can drop mastery a bit lower for more haste/crit for M+. I agree with Patty, sounds like you're using lower ilvl gear for stats. Download the addon Pawn and import these strings, I think they'll help pastebin.com/tbBBbs9F
Can someone explain to me the "haste lowers the CD on Holy Word: Sanctify"? "Haste also reduces the Global Cooldown (GCD) and the cooldowns of certain spells like Holy Word: Sanctify and others that have a green text when you mouseover their tooltips in game" is from Jaks website directly, and I find it doesn't work that way on my priest in game, yet a lot of sites mention this as well. My Sanctify has a 50 second CD baseline cause of the trait, no green text, and haste isn't effecting it. Is this something that Blizzard took out and nobody has bothered to correct their info, or is my priest literally single handedly bugged lol
Haste reduces the cooldown of green text spells like Prayer of Mending. Not sure why it says Sanctify but that is not the case, likely a typo. By taking Piety you are reducing your Sanctify cooldown based on the amount of PoMs that you are casting, so Sanctify, by extension is being reduced by Haste.
Unrelated question but how do you think Holy Priests hold up to other classes in terms of healing output? Seems to me on most mythic logs holy priests aren't even on the rankings and seem to be dominated by resto druids and holy palis.. Also, would it be terrible to have double holy priest, resto sham, and resto druid in a raid composition?
notDre I think there's no many HPriests out there proving how strong it can be. I've always been top, or near top HPS on my guilds kills, see Odyn video so I really don't feel like Holy is in a poor spot. I think the biggest pain for Holy is how lackluster our Hymn is compared to other healers.
Cool look forward to seeing that. I'm interested in what you think about it. In my opinion our legendaries kinda fall short compared to other healing legendaries. I know they are changing some of them.
when you're doing these guides can you please have the talents you're talking about on screen as (properly) most of us can't remember all of the talents and what they exactly do?
hi m8 would like to know what % of haste u using in mythic +10 cause i see you FH at 1.2sec so imo thats like 20% haste i'm currently running 26% crit /21% haste and 22% mastery for mythic 8+ and for raids i run 25/ crit /10% haste and 37% mastery . Does that sound abouth right to you i got alot of gear i can swap in and out to tweak abit but would love to hear youre advise on it greetings from fellow holy priest ;)
Hi ive been maining resto shaman but now im trying priest. I have trouble with high party damage, i feel like priest has too few strong aoe heals. Prayer of healing + sanctify spam doesnt do enough, usually i just spam flash heal+serenity and wait for sanctify to come off cooldown naturally since casting prayer of healing is a waste of time. Divine hymn is good but usually someone would die when i am busy casting it so i have to stop it and continue with flash heals. Prayer of mending and renew i cast whenever i can but they do very little. The only good cd is on a 5min cooldown jesus christ but shaman has like four strong CDs on 3min and can heal through massive damage with ease. Any advice?
Blaž Prah definitely make more use of Apotheosis to crank out faster Serenities. That's what I always use when things get scary. Be sure to be running with the talents I mentioned as well!
Don't forget about our mastery. If you can anticipate a spread of burst damage flash heals even full party members to get that echo HoT rolling and to make sure your BoT is up. After that flash heal + serenity. Sanctify when the serenity divinity fades off (maximize divinity up time). Also a trick with trail to keep three people up really well when there is spread burst (end of nelth), is to flash heal back and forth on two targets and intentionally ride a third's health low, then drop your LoT and sereneity on the low target and repeat. Remember tanks in legion have so much self healing if you leave them alone to keep dps up, most of the time they will be fine. If things go south use that trick Jak mentioned and guardian the tank. That means your whole party should be safe (you and tank have guardian, you're flash spamming two players, and the third is your serenity dump). Also with apotheosis you are just in god mode for 30 seconds. I almost never lose a party member when it is popped because divinity is constantly up and I'm dropping serenities every three flash casts.
Not really to be honest. Piety was improved but I've personally still be running Surge as neither are overly impactful to your performance. You been going Apoth/Divinity still? What kind of issues are you having?
jjkftw JJs reasons and the flexibility of dps and healing that apoth brings are really important. Apoth is also a far stronger burst heal when things go wrong
Once you get to Mythic 10s, Serenity is more or less the only way to keep people topped off on Tyranical boss mechancis. Most of them are not aoe based. They are single target based. IE Xavius, nightmare bolt. Getting people topped is essential.
In the video I say that Apotheosis is the best for M+ and should always be taken. For Mythic+ get a solid amount of haste, depends on quality of your gear. You don't want to drastically lower ilvl just to get certain secondaries.
Not worth it. You can very easily take off that absorb on the secondary target with another flash heal. Mastery also plays a large role because echo will take off a majority of your healing from that
i main shadow but enjoy healing (i do it a lot), and i still haven't tried mythics lol. idk why I'm being such a bitch, i used to lie about achievements just to get into content ans now I'm like lemme make aure I'm overgeared before i try lol. i was like 2196 back in wotlk pvp and carried a whole guild thru dragon soul with 1 of my friends and 1 other guy. tldr - I'm good at the game but I'm being too scared to try mythic lol. I'm 860 ilvl btw so could def do lower m+s
we used to pug full clear raids on illidan back in the day easily idk.. i used to be so elitist (not towards others tho really) and now I'm a lil bitch. i guess in my 20s i was way more arrogant and now imma be 31 in a couple months and have been humbled by life and how shitty it can get
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So glad i found your videos, I have done tons of reading into the Holy Priest, needed some more perspectives, and your videos helped me get a couple new ideas on how to improve and be a better priest.
Just discovered your videos after rerolling from mw to priest. Not sure what I wanna invest my AP into, but holy is looking strong.
Great videos dude, subbed and excited to see more!
Appreciate all your help...you even take the time on your stream to answer all my pleb questions.
Happy to :D
874 priest 3 chested a M9 last week best I've done so far....I love watching your guides
hello.I enjoy your guides.really great job.I have main holy priest.I have some questions about stats.I am confused about it.I have around 40% mastery,27% crit and 9% haste.Using bracers and cloak as legendaries.As you can see,i prioritize crit and mastery in my gear.I am casual,doing only mytic plus and pug heroic NH atm.Are my stats ok? do you recommend to go with more haste?I dont use any NH set item since their ilvl are quite low.The ones i have are around 875 ilvl which is low for my ilvl(905 equipped).Any suggestions?
7.1.5 Holy is looking really good. I wish Guardian Spirit was on a shorter cd.
Two points...
... the first, Benediction actually can be very strong on some bosses on Tyrannical, like the last boss in COS (also the Enforcers in COS if people are dumb enough to stand in LOS of their explosion). Outside of these narrow circumstances, I take Apotheosis almost exclusively (unless I'm just coming from raid and forgot to respec :p ... but I'm going full-time Shadow now so my Hpriest is basically M+ only at this point).
The second point, in regards to Binding Heal: this is actually the best hps AND hpm heal that we have, assuming you need to heal yourself and someone within range of the bonus heal needs healing also (not really that uncommon, but not 100% either as you must know from your experience). Binding Heal doesn't proc Blessing of T'uure, though, but if you do proc it from a Heal or Flash Heal, spam away! Your group will come up very quickly. I've also found that it can sort of compensate for priests lacking much in the way of defensives, just by maintaining decent hps on yourself also. Anyway, here's the math:
BH heals 300% SP to 3 targets for 2.5% mana with a 1.5s base cast speed:
300*3/2.5 = 360hpm
300*3/1.5 = 600hps
Comparing to Flash Heal, with Trail of Light and the Legendary bracers (the most static buffs you can give to FH), which is 475% SP to 1.4 targets for 2.8* mana on a 1.3sec cast time:
475*1.4/2.8 = 237hpm
475*1.4/1.3 = 511hps
And for good measure, PoH, which actually beats out BH in hps (but not hpm) if you can hit all 5 targets effectively. 250% SP, 4.5% mana, 5 targets, with & without bracers:
250/4.5*5 = 278hpm
250/2*5 = 625hps w/o bracers
250/2*1.15*5 = 719hps w/ bracers
Also, for the hell of it, what's Heal like? 500% SP, 2.5s cast, 1.7% mana:
500/1.7 = 294hpm
500/2.5 = 200hps
500/2.5*1.15 = 230hps w/ bracers
Thanks for the great videos!
Problem with Benediction is that you're stuck taking it for the entirety of the instance, so while it can shine in a very narrow scenario in the instance, it can be useless the rest of the time. Furthermore, in many of those scenarios its definitely very easy to get a full blanket of Renews going, but after those Renews have been applied, Benediction does not have any other sort of value. Last boss of CoS for example, its substantially better to use Apoth to assist with players who are hit by the rend bleed, constantly refreshing Renews can be nice for a short period, but on high Tyrannical it will quickly start chewing through their entire healthpools. And if you're not on tyrannical, you can easily use Apoth to help deal additional damage to make the timer, that flexibility is invaluable.
Binding Heal can be okay, again thats assuming that multiple targets are taking heavy damage. The issue with your math is that, while accurate, it does not present the full picture of what is going on. By utilizing BH over FH, you delay your Serenities which are substantially more valuable than Sanctifies in M+. You also are missing any oppourtunity to proc BoT and your math doesn't reflect the impact a 20% heal increase would have, which is quite substantial. To get the full picture you'd be looking at how many extra Serenities that would be required on certain mobs vs how effective getting additional Sanctifies and slower Serenities would be based on the mobs faced, content that you are pursuing.
The 75 tier in general is not overly restrictive so in theory you can definitely mix in BH after procing BoT for the most efficient healing possible, though again it has more of a niche position and relying on specific types of damage. HPM is fairly irrelevant in M+ as you can always have full mana before you start a big pull.
This video was also made before PoH was buffed by 20% so it definitely has gotten substantially more useful, especially as new affixes have come out ramping up the party-wide damage that you'll face.
Appreciate the discussion!
When I used the legendary belt, I really liked BH adding charges to both of my heals. I have the cloak, belt, bracers, and Prydaz, and I actually find myself running with a Drape of Shame, Prydaz, and Bracer now. Giving up that haste is tough once you have it! Also, the extra DPS from smite isn't bad (especially this week with Explosive, I run with about 40% crit and I can 1-shot the orbs in a 1-second cast if I crit). But if I ever drop below 75% hp and lose the legendary effect, I know that I have a good hps spell in BH which will bring me back up into the effect range soon enough.
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I keep getting pushed to go disc, and people almost hesitant towards holy in high m+. I personally love it, or well, i love the playstyle and the tools you have. Smiled when you said you GS and ignore the person with GS just to do more dps (or heal others), exactly what I do :P Always nervwrecking when the tank just DONT WANT TO PROC it, and he's on like 2% healthwith 2 sec left of GS :P
Also love overflowing, by far the most fun affix to play around, love the fact that you swap from keeping everyone topped all the time, to be very limited with what you heal.
The dps part is not too bad on bosses (or big trashpacks in lower, mmmm love outdpsing the dps :D ), you can do 170-200k dps, that aint too bad. Just that your healing gets to suffer alot.
What I do NOT like with holy at the moment is 1) how weak flash heal is, when you calculate it and realize you have to do 10-15 flashheal to get a tank back to full health, it just aint fun. serenity kinda makes up for it though
Flash heal is crazy strong right now. 10-15 casts is not a lot for getting a tank from 0 to 100. But the output of flash heal is higher than that. Because of serendipity, you have to count a percentage of holy word: serenity has healing done by flash heal.
On top of that, while you're getting the tank from 0-100 you're also healing others through trail of light. I'm surprised that you're upset about flash heal when it's literally the strong aspect of our kit right now. It's also really mana efficient for its power level
Flash Heal is sadly all we do as hpriests. Aside from Sanctify/Serenity as needed for the big heals on cd, FH is our real only ability. In m+ the spike damage even from adds is so high that you have no time to really use anything but FH. PoH is a great group heal, especially for spreading Echo but its cast time and high mana cost make it kinda pointless, and the heroic-level Heal spam to keep Blessing of Tuure up doesnt cut it (due to cast time). I love hpriests but we basically are FH bots, we have a lot of great tools in our kit but half of them go unused in favor of the fastest casting healing ability we have simply because damage comes in so fast you dont get time to use anything else :(
do you use a camera addon to zoom out like that? :o
hey dude. appreciate the videos you put out. I've also imported your VuhDo profile (I'm a fan, thank you). which brings me to my question. in this video you have another set (panel) on left...what is that for? please explain when you have a min. thank you.
josh p oh the extra party frames? There's no need for them, I used to play Shadow sometimes and I just left them up just because. I think I've disabled the party frames a couple days ago when someone else asked me about them on stream lol
Thanks for the little tips to enhance our healing game Jak. I have raid related question if you read this, I got the pants today so would that make Bene better than Apo? Or stick with apotheosis?
Quite likely will want to be running Bene now yeah. You'll get more options with the next patch when more legendaries are available. Just hoping they DROP!
Just a thought. I'm fairly certain Holy Nova still causes no threat, or atleast extremely reduced threat. However Standing in mele in higher affexis I still deadly depending on the situation lol.
Hey jak, love the video's. One question, do you not run binding heal for M+?
Nope, don't really see the need for it. More often than not you'll want to get Serenity back as fast as possible and Trail of Light helps greatly with healing multiple targets at a time.
Ah perfect, thanks alot! Keep it up!
Hi Jack,
I'm just curious about the lvl75 talent. You said that everything is pretty much a toss-up, but isn't Binding Heal one of the best throughput heals we have in our arsenal? I mean, we're healing 3 ppl with a 1.5sec cast, costing less than a Flash Heal, and also reduces cd on both Serenity and Sanctify by 3sec.
Thoughts?
knumbi keep in mind trail of light's healing and it's ability to proc Blessing of Tuure and get Serenity back faster than BH. Couple that with the fact that Sanctify is often not that valuable in M+ so I generally don't take BH.
Automatic Jak I see, all fair points.
But the only reason one would pick Surge of Light is for oh-shit moments, as the mana savings isn't relevant with all the mana breaks, and I think that BH trumps there, as there are many times where people are dropping fast in health and it's a race against the gcd - coming to think of the last two scorpions in NL.
Imho, I think BH should be the recommended choice in that tier, at least in m+
hi, what legendaries, you recomend for m+ +10 or more if you have all for holly priest?
tanks
Something i find usefull myself is using Censure to intrupt (if its possible) or stun an add when enraged. Mainly usefull when you got a group who doesnt got alot of intrupts/stuns or cant cordinate them well (uhum pugs). I know it sounds like a small thing, but its something i think could be worth mentioning :D
But great guide, generally play the same way and dont really got issues with Mythic+ but very good for those still learning!
shinbout yep! Censure is exceptional on any kind of dungeon
except when you call out "ill interrupt next!!" so proudly, and then the fucking mob is immune to stuns :P
Ye really wish i could intrupt that fear in MoS. All those nightmare pugs when i was farming the trinket QQ
Hey Jak, I have a slightly unrelated question - what is your opinion on Holy Priest personal survivability? My guild is progressing Odyn M and it's become really noticeable to me the lack of any kind of personal CD we have as Holy. I basically have to save Guardian for myself incase I fuck up, and otherwise play the fight perfectly. It's annoying seeing Pala's with 500k more base HP, more armor, a personal on a 30s CD and bubble while we have nothing...
Kaiyon it's DEFINITELY a problem, I hate it so much. I did an analysis of my play on our first M Odyn kill if you wanna see that video on this channel but it's definitely tough.
I've always thought that the simplest solution would be to put 20% damage reduction on Fade, so we end up with a threat eliminating, 20% damage reduction personal on a 30 second CD (or whatever it is). I'm pretty sure at some point it gave 10%, so why they felt the need to remove it is honestly completely beyond me. ESPECIALLY when we're the only clothie healer class, so we're squishier by default.
I know the spell is pretty straight forward, but do you have any particular advice regarding Light of T'uure use?
I just use it on tanks just as we're pulling a fresh pack of trash generally.
Since Renew have been buffed and - Benediction talent + legendary legs with +6 renew timer is super strong, so flash heal is no more my best heal ability. :) I am trying to get to disco but its not really my style, I do really good in Holy spec and absolutely love it. Ty for inspiring that hope is not lost in Holy, Jak. :) My average rank by warcraft logs is about 95% (874 ilvl) so I think I am doing it right. :)
i main a 885 holy priest. overflowing f***** sucks as holy and i usually just go disc.
I really struggle with overflowing in M 8+, by far the most unfun affix, the spike damage can be too high at times to wait for people to drop to 75% before healing.
What's the addon/WA you're running that tracks your CDs/Holy Words like that?
All of my weakauras and addons are listed in my UI Video. The ones you mentioned are Ablution's Holy bars ua-cam.com/video/Z92_jSX55Q8/v-deo.html
ty so much!
Hey Jack, sup? I just wondering about your stats in mythic+. I see u have some haste, or maybe it's my impression. I had capped 51% mastery and 28% crit chance (858 ilvl). I like to know what's about u and your stats in holy spec. Thanks for all yur videos, I learn and enjoy a lot.
That's really high mastery and crit for that low of an ilvl. Did you forego getting any haste/vers gear AT ALL? You probably want to prioritize ilvl more than you are, as intellect is way better than any of the secondary stats.
Also, in dungeons the value of haste and crit go up. Crit passes mastery and haste gets close to mastery. So stat priority becomes less important here, and its more likely for higher ilvl gear to just win because of intellect.
PattyManatty it's a great suggest. Thank u, dude. I will see what can I do
Im at around 40% mastery, 30% crit. I can drop mastery a bit lower for more haste/crit for M+. I agree with Patty, sounds like you're using lower ilvl gear for stats. Download the addon Pawn and import these strings, I think they'll help pastebin.com/tbBBbs9F
Automatic Jak si thank u, i will try it
Can someone explain to me the "haste lowers the CD on Holy Word: Sanctify"? "Haste also reduces the Global Cooldown (GCD) and the cooldowns of certain spells like Holy Word: Sanctify and others that have a green text when you mouseover their tooltips in game" is from Jaks website directly, and I find it doesn't work that way on my priest in game, yet a lot of sites mention this as well. My Sanctify has a 50 second CD baseline cause of the trait, no green text, and haste isn't effecting it. Is this something that Blizzard took out and nobody has bothered to correct their info, or is my priest literally single handedly bugged lol
Haste reduces the cooldown of green text spells like Prayer of Mending. Not sure why it says Sanctify but that is not the case, likely a typo. By taking Piety you are reducing your Sanctify cooldown based on the amount of PoMs that you are casting, so Sanctify, by extension is being reduced by Haste.
Unrelated question but how do you think Holy Priests hold up to other classes in terms of healing output? Seems to me on most mythic logs holy priests aren't even on the rankings and seem to be dominated by resto druids and holy palis.. Also, would it be terrible to have double holy priest, resto sham, and resto druid in a raid composition?
notDre I think there's no many HPriests out there proving how strong it can be. I've always been top, or near top HPS on my guilds kills, see Odyn video so I really don't feel like Holy is in a poor spot. I think the biggest pain for Holy is how lackluster our Hymn is compared to other healers.
What do you think would alleviate this? Do you think holy priests should be buffed at all or do you think it would make them too strong?
I think theres a ton of options open to Blizz. I think I may dedicate a whole video to it
Cool look forward to seeing that. I'm interested in what you think about it. In my opinion our legendaries kinda fall short compared to other healing legendaries. I know they are changing some of them.
when you're doing these guides can you please have the talents you're talking about on screen as (properly) most of us can't remember all of the talents and what they exactly do?
Sure!
hey just wondering how did u switch the WeakAuras to vertical? i have that same setup but its horizontal
The creator has versions for vertical and horizontal wago.io/p/Ablution
Automatic Jak thanks man
Should i take piety instead of surge of light for mythic+ if i have rammul's ulterior motive?
Ajai Thomas up to you. I'd say probably but it's not the end of the world if you don't
Thanks for the reply! Really appreciate it and the guides they really help.
Hey! Could you possibly link your Vuhdo settings?
PK POWER On mobile atm, but they're linked in my UI video on this channel
hi m8 would like to know what % of haste u using in mythic +10 cause i see you FH at 1.2sec so imo thats like 20% haste
i'm currently running 26% crit /21% haste and 22% mastery for mythic 8+ and for raids i run 25/ crit /10% haste and 37% mastery . Does that sound abouth right to you i got alot of gear i can swap in and out to tweak abit but would love to hear youre advise on it
greetings from fellow holy priest ;)
My haste is pretty low for my M+ gear actually. Your stats look very good for the content you're on, I think you're in great shape.
thx for the fast reply and all the tips i got from youre vids ;)
Thanks, buddy!
Hi ive been maining resto shaman but now im trying priest. I have trouble with high party damage, i feel like priest has too few strong aoe heals. Prayer of healing + sanctify spam doesnt do enough, usually i just spam flash heal+serenity and wait for sanctify to come off cooldown naturally since casting prayer of healing is a waste of time. Divine hymn is good but usually someone would die when i am busy casting it so i have to stop it and continue with flash heals. Prayer of mending and renew i cast whenever i can but they do very little. The only good cd is on a 5min cooldown jesus christ but shaman has like four strong CDs on 3min and can heal through massive damage with ease. Any advice?
Blaž Prah definitely make more use of Apotheosis to crank out faster Serenities. That's what I always use when things get scary. Be sure to be running with the talents I mentioned as well!
Don't forget about our mastery. If you can anticipate a spread of burst damage flash heals even full party members to get that echo HoT rolling and to make sure your BoT is up. After that flash heal + serenity. Sanctify when the serenity divinity fades off (maximize divinity up time). Also a trick with trail to keep three people up really well when there is spread burst (end of nelth), is to flash heal back and forth on two targets and intentionally ride a third's health low, then drop your LoT and sereneity on the low target and repeat.
Remember tanks in legion have so much self healing if you leave them alone to keep dps up, most of the time they will be fine. If things go south use that trick Jak mentioned and guardian the tank. That means your whole party should be safe (you and tank have guardian, you're flash spamming two players, and the third is your serenity dump).
Also with apotheosis you are just in god mode for 30 seconds. I almost never lose a party member when it is popped because divinity is constantly up and I'm dropping serenities every three flash casts.
Is this video still up to date for 7.1.5 with the piety/bene meta :)
Yes it is! You still want to use Apotheosis in Mythic+ while Piety/Bene is exceptional in raids!
Any changes or updates for 7.1.5? Really struggling in anything over +10
Not really to be honest. Piety was improved but I've personally still be running Surge as neither are overly impactful to your performance. You been going Apoth/Divinity still? What kind of issues are you having?
Great Video Thanks!
so why not take circle of healing in dungeons. i been using it. i dont use it in raiding
jjkftw JJs reasons and the flexibility of dps and healing that apoth brings are really important. Apoth is also a far stronger burst heal when things go wrong
Once you get to Mythic 10s, Serenity is more or less the only way to keep people topped off on Tyranical boss mechancis. Most of them are not aoe based. They are single target based. IE Xavius, nightmare bolt. Getting people topped is essential.
okay i think highest iv healed is a 7
great guides
So tell me on M+ better is Benediction and all gems and enchants with crit or Apotheosis. And how much haste i need on my priest :) Greetengs Kataxu
In the video I say that Apotheosis is the best for M+ and should always be taken. For Mythic+ get a solid amount of haste, depends on quality of your gear. You don't want to drastically lower ilvl just to get certain secondaries.
I take trail of light off when doing overflowing
Not worth it. You can very easily take off that absorb on the secondary target with another flash heal. Mastery also plays a large role because echo will take off a majority of your healing from that
And if it ever comes to a poss like Naraxus or Rokmora from Nelths on Tyrannical not having trail of light is really going to hurt you
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You didn't mention stats to get
This guide is pretty out of date, I recently posted an updated guide on this channel. Int>Haste/Crit>Mastery is the M+ priority
Soooo you went skying? loll Nice guide
i main shadow but enjoy healing (i do it a lot), and i still haven't tried mythics lol. idk why I'm being such a bitch, i used to lie about achievements just to get into content ans now I'm like lemme make aure I'm overgeared before i try lol.
i was like 2196 back in wotlk pvp and carried a whole guild thru dragon soul with 1 of my friends and 1 other guy.
tldr - I'm good at the game but I'm being too scared to try mythic lol. I'm 860 ilvl btw so could def do lower m+s
we used to pug full clear raids on illidan back in the day easily idk.. i used to be so elitist (not towards others tho really) and now I'm a lil bitch. i guess in my 20s i was way more arrogant and now imma be 31 in a couple months and have been humbled by life and how shitty it can get
if i was you pls show the ability when you talk about it, put it on screen or some, cos im lost :p
Bhergy would suggest you check out my basic guides first on this channel or my written guides on wowhead if you're just starting out.
A-poth-oh-see
Jacob Story you may wanna google that friend, there is an E in it.
add-on plz
ua-cam.com/video/Z92_jSX55Q8/v-deo.html UI video with links to all addons