If the Israelites had corrupted the scriptures why would they leave in all those parts that make them look bad? If the idea was we can't trust sinful people with God's word because they might corrupt it to fit their beliefs it is odd that a: they kept in the parts that make them look like foolish idolators, and b: Jews and Christians kept the same old testament for 2000 years and didn't corrupt it to remove or add parts in to make them look correct and the other to look wrong. When scribes make mistakes we still have those individual manuscripts, unlike the quran where all the manuscript evidence was burned in the Uthmanic Recension, so we can actually see where each copy differs so we know what the original said where the thousands of manuscripts agree.
I 100% agree if it was corrupted it wouldn't be as it is, they say the Bible is corrupt because in there eyes it has to be, because in the Quran it says many books of the Bible are true but the Quran also denies that they are true at the same time so they say the Bible has to be corrupted but fail to realize the Quran is actually corrupted there are many mistakes in the Quran that they will never talk about or bring up and alot of copy and paste from the Bible picking and choosing what to believe. The Quran is just nonsense one second Muhammad is saying the Bible is the word of God also saying Jesus is the breathe of God to saying the Bible is corrupt and Jesus was just a prophet than saying Jesus is the Messiah and will judge mankind to he was the greatest prophet. But the big kicker Jesus is not the same person mention in Quran in the first place The Quran is corrupt it's the book of confusing.
The reason God's forgiveness in the Bible does not make sense to you is because you do not see Jesus as God. To a Christian who believes in the Trinity, God does demand payment for all sin because He is just. But His forgiveness is real forgiveness because He pays the price HIMSELF. He does not say "You broke my computer, but I forgive you, if you buy me a new computer". He says "If you ask forgiveness I'll forgive you, and buy the computer with my own money even though you're the one who broke it."
The example of the computer is to highlight the ability to forgive regardless if the computer is paid for or not. The forgiveness is not contingent on the computer being restored in some way. The forgiveness of breaking the computer does not have to be due to the surety that the computer will be restored. I can forgive my friend who broke my computer and not replace it at the same time. It never has to be replaced in order for me to forgive. The issue with the crucifixion is that it must have happened in order for forgiveness to be possible. The forgiveness is associated with the full punishment being carried out regardless. In the case of Christianity, it all fell upon Jesus. That is what is clashing,. It’s not truly forgiveness because nothing was pardoned or let go, it was just transferred. -Rohaib
I see why you're hung up on the necessity of transfer of reparation for sin, but God is perfectly just, so this is the only way God can forgive. If you think God can forgive without repayment then you believe in an unjust God.
@@MuslimMindsUS its that way because God cannot go back on his words... "The wages of Sin is death" the consequences of sin is death. But God also made a way for Salvation
@@wesleydahar7797 Unjust God . Do you mean God that punished the most innocent guy in the history of the world for sins of others? Punishing the most innocent man for sins of others is 100% unjust and awful. So please don't tell us that our conception of God is unjust, your one definitely is unjust
So Ive watched a few of these with you guys, and you continually ask the same questions about David and the Prophets and others. Why are these the Christian Heros of Faith and yet so sinful? This is going to be one of the chief theologically differences between Islam and Christianity. This is a story of Grace, If God took these broken sinful people, and chose to make them his kings and prophets, it means there is hope for us as well in our sin and brokeness. You strive for holiness, and hope in the end you are good enough for Allah, we understand that God demands perfection and no one is good enough, None can keep law, not even 1 commandment. These stories exist to show mans need for a savior, that without Christ even the best of us nothing but sinners. Let me put this differently. The law of God, the 10 commandments and the other laws and precepts, are a mirror, or a ruler however you want to look at it, we judge ourselves by these standards, not so that the law can be kept, but to show us our sin. Christ came and because he was God he was without sin, he kept the Law, he paid sins penalty(death)and then rose again. He didnt stay dead because the power of death has no hold on an innocent man. Those who believe these things, and trust in Christs righteousness, the Bible tells us it will be counted as their own. So thats the whole point, that even though the prophets and the kings and whoever, were sinful, because of grace, and because of their desire to be with God, they were considered righteous
nice explanation, also their question about the generation not passing away, when Jesus comes back everyone will see, even the dead. That generation will see Jesus in the clouds and so will we
@@richbandicoot Matthew 24 explains- Jesus precedes the statement about the last generation of believers on earth at the time of His return, with the parable of the Fig tree. The fig tree (Israel) became "in leaf" once again ( a 2,000 yr removed nation from the earth, sprang up again- unheard of) Jesus said "this generation will not pass until all things be fulfilled . What is a "generation"? Proverbs says it is 70 years or by reason of good health , 80 years. 1948 plus 70 yrs is 2018 (mathematically begun 2019 - anything happen that year???) and the end must be before 2028....." but for the elect's sake . God will shorten the time".
The Trinity is taught all throughout the Tanakh. The Angel of the Lord who appeared to Moses in the burning bush isn't an ordinary, created angel, He is God and the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, yet He is seperate from another person who is also God. That's the Trinity.
39:20 I am pretty sure the word translated to "generation" also means a kind of group of people, so that his people will not not pass away before his second coming. I saw a video on it long ago and he also gave other examples of the word "generation" used in that way.
In your own example, if the laptop was really important, you or someone else would have to do something to replace it... To return things to the state prior to its destruction. So here, forgiveness means, that you don't require your friend to replace the laptop he broke. You have "granted relieve from payment or given up claim for requital". Basically, forgiveness means, that you don't have to pay the price or debt that your are morally or legally bound to. But it does not mean that someone else does not have to pay it. Similarly, just because you forgive your friend does not mean that you magically get a new laptop. No. Someone has to replace it. In your case, it is not your friend. But it is most likely you. And it is going to cost you something. This shows that forgiveness is costly. It always costs someone something. So God forgives out of his love. But the debt of sin has to be paid for justice to be served. So that in the end, God is good. For He is both just and loving. If God were to just forgive, where's the justice?? And if God were to exact divine retribution for every sin, then were is the love?
19:37 The trumpet thing is where God told Joshua to have seven priests carry trumpets and on the seventh day march around the city of Jericho seven times and then blow the trumpets followed by the army giving a loud shout, then the walls of Jericho collapsed and the army went in and destroyed the city.
As a Christian, I believe that the current scientific outlook on the origins of the universe does not contradict the faith. Indeed, the Catholic Church expresses that the six days God took to create the world were different days to define. IE, a day to God can be millions of years to us, and millions of years to God is only one day to us. The Church teaches that God is beyond the concept of time, so since God alone was around for creation (and not mankind), His concept of time applies.
1) As an Orthodox, I don't believe in evolution theory and neither do most Orthodox. No Orthodox holy father accepted evolution theory, it clearly contradicts the Bible. But ofc, there are some (not-so-) Orthodox people, who do all sorts of mental gymnastics to explain how evolution theory fits in the Bible. I also want to make a distinction between macro- and micro-evolution. I don't believe in macro-evolution (that we evolved from apes or that modern birds evolved from dinosaurs) but I believe in micro-evolution (that bird's beak size/form can change (evolve)). 2) 25:18 'Islam is true, because Bible is corrupt!' - say muslims. 'How do you know Bible's corrupt?' - we ask. 'Because Islam is true and Quran clearly contradicts Bible!' - say muslims. This is called "circular reasoning fallacy" my dear muslims. And how do you muslims explain this - Quran tells "people of the book" to follow their holy books and, eventually, if they correctly and sincerely follow their books, they will become muslims too. However, if we correctly follow our holy books, we must reject Muhammad and his Quran. Muslims understand this and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to explain this passage in Quran, but they fail. 3) 27:54 Book of Isaiah, 8:3 - "And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. Then the Lord said to me, “Call his name Maher-shalal-hash-baz;". Maher-shalal-hash-baz means "quickly to the plunder". The name Maher-shalal-hash-baz is a reference to the impending plunder of Samaria and Damascus by the king of Assyria, Tiglath-Pileser III. This name does not exist, it just means that this King will do something to deserve this "name". So, Immanuel is Christ's name - He did something to deserve that name (Immanuel means "God with us"). It is more clear in the original language of the New Testament (Greek), where it is said - "He will be called" or "They will call Him" Immanuel. This is how it was translated in ESV (English Standard Version): "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel". (P.S. I hope you will not say that this is a different version of the Bible as some not-so-bright muslims say - this is just a different translation from the original). 4) 30:09 Christ knew He was God, when He was a baby He knew He was God. When during His baptism Holy Spirit descended unto Him and the voice of the Father from above confirmed Christ's divinity, this all was SHOWN TO PEOPLE to believe in His divinity. All 3 hypostases (persons) of the Holy Trinity work together - so when the Holy Spirit descended, the Son knew the Holy Spirit would descend and when the Father spoke, He knew this too beforehand. (P.S. and after this baptism He started His ministry, until then He was known to people as just Jesus, son of some random carpenter lol). 5) 31:26 There's nothing wrong with "obsession" with the rules of the Law of Moses. What is wrong is that those Pharisees invented new rules that were not part of the Law of Moses. By following these made-up rules, Pharisees did not follow the heart of the Law and sometimes even broke real rules that were given to them by God through Moses. This is what Christ was saying in chapter 15 of Book of Matthew: "Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples break the **tradition of the elders**? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?". This "tradition of the elders" is what I called "made-up rules". Then Christ goes on to explain how Pharisees break 5th commandment by following certain "made-up rule". My explanation is logical, because in the same Book of Matthew Jesus says that he came not to abolish the Law of Moses, but to fulfill it. 6) 32:51 Just because there's some similarity, it doesn't mean that there was borrowing from either side. But clearly sometimes there were borrowings and it is always borrowed from Christianity, not vice versa. For example: Hinduism is considered the oldest religion (at least it's older then Christinity), but they have their own version of Jesus. Did Jesus came as a human before He came as a human? No. Then why does the religion older then Christinity have traditions of Jesus? Because they borrowed it after He came - we did not borrow from them, their religion evolved. So, just because Christianity has similarities with another religion/tradition that has its roots deeper in the Past, it doesn't mean we took it from them It would be similar to saying: 'Angel appeared to Joseph Smith [founder of the sect of Mormons] who taught him how to correctly do religion - this must be the same Angel that appeared to Muhammed!' or "Joseph Smith clearly borrowed from Islam, because angel also appeared to Muhammad". 7) 33:19 I mean, J**s... What else do we expect from them 🤷♂ 8) 35:37 Yeah, usual crucifixion lasted many hours, but Christ's crucifixion ended relatively early. I guess that's how Christ wanted it to go, I have no other opinion. On the validity of Christ's crucifixion story in the Bible - Roman soldier hit Christ with spear in his side while He hung on the cross and from His side water and blood flowed. I remember that medically this was checked to be true, water and blood would flow as it is written in the Bible. I read it long time ago, I wish I could provide an article. P.S. After Christ died on the cross (He had 2 natures - His human nature (his mortal body) died on the cross, not His divine nature), His soul went into Hades/Hell and destroyed the gates of Hell. 3 days Later He was "restored" in his body, He resurrected. We all (dead or alive) will be resurrected on His glorious 2nd coming as well, because Christ in himself united all of Humankind (because He assumed human nature on His birthday and we all have human nature). P.P.S. 'He (His body) died on the cross and then His soul went into Hades/Hell?' - Yes, my dear (Muslim/Protestant/*fill in) who asked this question in his head! He assumed all of human nature, this mean He assumed both body and soul. When His body died on the cross, His soul went into Hades/Hell and destroyed it. Then He preached gospel there and saved the souls of people who believed in Him. 9) 39:11 Come on, you know Our Lord Jesus Christ used many metaphors in His speeches - the word "generation" here clearly doesn't mean one generation. If He meant one generation, He would have returned by now, but the fact that He did not, means that He didn't use the word to say "one generation".... Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?... You will! Or not... and will go to He- 🤭🤭 10) Redeemed Zoomer could have done better, but the video was great overall. He's a Prot, Orthodox would have made different emphesises. For example, Orthodox make a bigger emphasis on resurrection than crucifixion, for Prots its vice versa and to some degree to Catholics as well. 11) God bless you! This is the prayer we say every morning: "Illumine with the light of awareness the apostates from the Orthodox Faith, and those blinded by pernicious heresies, and number them with Thy Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church." (P.S. Catholic Church here means "universal Church", because "catholic" means universal). 12) God bless you again! (I just wanted it to be 12, a very symbolic number and my favorite one lol).
39:00 The passage about that generation not passing away is not actually in reference to the second coming. Jesus was leaving the temple complex and told his disciples the temple buildings will be destroyed "I assure you: Not one stone will be left here on another that will not be thrown down!” The disciples reply "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?” So there are multiple aspects to his response. That generation did not pass before the destruction of the temple (70 AD) About the second coming and end of the age, "This good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed in all the world as a testimony to all nations. And then the end will come."
31:34 It was more about Jesus calling them to repentence and they thought they didn't need to, so therefore they didn't like this miracle man who calls them to repentence.
11:10 To provide a clearer explanation, Abraham's sin stemmed not just from the act of lying but from the underlying reason for his lie. He believed that if the Egyptians discovered that he and his wife were married, they might kill him to take her as their own. The root issue here was Abraham's lack of trust in God to protect him, that lack of trust causing him to take matters into his own hands is a recurring theme in his life. For example, Abraham succumbed to Sarah's worldly plan to have a child through Hagar, her servant, instead of relying on God's promise for the heir through Sarah.
In christianity we don't believe that prophets are incapable of sinning.. That's just nonesense. Their human beings like u and me.. They'll surely sin. Its that same lense we see our pastors... Yes they were called by God but it doesn't mean they can't make mistskes... Its why we're able to descern who is a false prophet and who isn't.... Believing that ur prophets are all complete saints is blind faith... God Knows d people he chose are capable of doing wrong but he still gives them a chance..... U guys should not use Islamic eyes to look at d story..
If you guys are really serious about understanding christianity or any religion, i dont think that a crash course video is the way to have any deep understanding. This was a very shallow and simplified understanding of the actions and intentions of God 💁🏾♀️. Trinity - one person revealing himself in three essence or personhood Why the prophets sin - they are human . Why God choose them - because He is within his right to choose who he wants to bless, curse or use. Its to show its about HIM and not humans or our 'goodness' . The entire plan of salvation is dependent on HIM. If you believe that you could do a better job, that is part of the reason why He wouldn't choose someone. God doesn't call the deserved but qualifies who He calls. Reliability- oral traditions, canon texts, inspiration of understanding from the holy spirit and your own book saying to "ask the people of the book" if you are unclear.
10:50 Regarding Abraham's 'lie', I can't speak to what the Quran says about this but in the Bible Abraham said that for self-preservation not to protect his wife. Genesis 20:10-11 'And Abimelek asked Abraham, “What was your reason for doing this?” Abraham replied, “I said to myself, ‘There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.’ In fact Abraham saying that only led to her getting kidnapped; Genesis 12:18-19 'So Pharaoh called Abram and said, “What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? Why did you say, ‘She is my sister,’ so that I took her for my wife? Now then, here is your wife; take her, and go.”'
Yea, Completely for self preservation but technically Abraham didn’t lie and Sarai/h was his sister from a different mom. (Gen 20:12) His son Issac though did lie and call his wife (who was also his cousin) his sister
On forgiveness, I can say that God is perfectly just. A God who is not perfectly just could definitely let some sin go unpunished, but then he wouldn’t be God. So how can God be all merciful as well? He takes some of that punishment on himself, and gives forgiveness in the place of the justice He has purchased. Like a father taking his son’s place in prison, as an act of love, and forgiving that son’s transgressions against him. So in his sacrifice on the cross, God is able to be both perfectly merciful, perfectly just, and perfectly consistent.
42:54 No MAN can bear the sin of another. Why? Of what I know it is because they have sinned themself and are too weak to bear the sin of others, but God is not 😉
1.Every single Bible and Ancient scholars believe in Crucifixtion. So its weird that Islam deny this even when 600 years before Muhammad no one deny this. 2. Even in Islam Jesus never had sin. Quite dissapointed that you dont know this. But heres the contradiction. How can in Islam Jesus is sinless but Muhammad is still the primary prophet?
At this point you are arguing with yourself, we didn’t make any point about the crucifixion, and if you cracked open the Quran even once you would realize that it says it looked like Jesus was crucified…. So the people would think he was… crucified. No contradiction with the historical narrative of Jesus being crucified because the Quran affirms people thought that he was. I saw your other comment speaking on our behalf regarding our intentions with Christianity. Allow me to clarify our intentions for you. We are not here to “look for flaws” with Christianity. We are Muslims and we are giving our honest thoughts about: scripture, religions, history, and so on. We aren’t going to sit there and just blindly accept the religious teachings of other faiths. It’s pretty clear just by our remarks that we know way more than the layman about Christianity anyway, these videos aren’t to learn, these are reaction videos, as the title clearly states. -Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS But according to the Hadiths, Judas is the one who was made to be crucified and Jesus never died. Then it's still a contradiction. What is the purpose of Judas being crucified if Jesus can supernaturally come out of the hands of the Romans a night before? We Christians believe Jesus can do that of course but he didn't because the purpose of crucifixion is the salvation of all mandkind. Islamic narrative that came hundreds of years later with 0 historical evidence from Christians or non-Christians doesnt make sense. And again I'm sorry but you didn't answer the question that if Jesus lived a blameless life even in Isla, never committed sin, performed miracles, came from virgin birth, what then is his purpose? In any case, please know I might look like arguing with you but I hope that you can continue reacting to these kind of videos and that you find inner peace and love with what you're doing.
The Pharisees couldn’t accept another entity being recognized as king of the Jews, because they was thirsting for power, common jewish folk loved Jesus. Even the Quran confirms Jesus was the messiah so how come you defend the Pharisees for distrusting Jesus, who by the way never boasted himself with titles but simply helped people and showed them the way. Even Pharisees regretted their decision as Christianity spread out, when they realized they killed the son of God
I don’t defend them, that’s my point. They are extremely corrupted that they did recognize their messiah, which illustrates their corruption. As for the Christian narrative of the history, it makes sense why a believing Jews would not worship a man because that is the fundamental belief of the entire religion. -Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS "[There was] a time when Jews and Christians were much more mixed up with each other than they are now, when there were many Jews who believed in something quite like the Father and the Son and even in something quite like the Incarnation of the Son in the Messiah, and when followers of Jesus kept koser as Jews, and accordingly a time in which the question of the difference between Judaism and Christianity just didn't exist as it does now. Jesus, when he came, came in a form that many, many Jews were expecting: a second divine figure incarnated in a human. The question was not 'Is a divine Messiah coming?' but only 'Is this carpenter from Nazareth the One who we are expecting?'. Not surprisingly, some Jews said yes and some said no. Today we call the first group Christians and the second group Jews, but it was not like that then, not at all." - Daniel Boyarin, The Jewish Gospels: The Story of the Jewish Christ "Some Jews regard Christainity's claim to be a monotheistic religion with grave suspicion both because of the doctrine of the Trinity (how can three equal one?) but also because of Christianity's core belief that God took bodily form. What I have attempted to point out here is that biblical Israel knew very similar doctrines, and these doctrines did not disappear from Judaism after the biblical period." - Benjamin Sommer, The Bodies of God, p. 135
I (Catholic) affirm the big bang theory and evolution. It seems to be the way God created the universe and living organisms. By the way: It was catholic priest Georges Lemaître, who came up with the big bang theory.
7:00 from the christian perspective Jesus’s sacrifice is Gods forgiveness because Jesus (God in the flesh) took accountability for our sins as a gift. So he essentially paid it for us. All the while he retained being a just and righteous God and judge. Because if he forgave us he wouldn’t be just because sin had no consequences/repayment
Science is constantly changing and we are discovering new things every day. When God says it happened, it happened that way. He said it happened in 6 days, so that's what I believe. Science is studying God's creation and trying to answer why He made it the way He did. Since God told humans to procreate right after making them, He created things at the perfect time. When are things perfect? When halfway through their life. This is why when looking at the sun and universe it looks as though its halfway through its life.
I just want to clarify the whole thing that Protestants believe that all sin is the same. It's true in one sense, but that doesn't mean that no sin is greater than the other. For example, it would be much worse for me to kill someone than to hate someone. However, all sin is the same in the sense that they bring us further away from God. That's how they're the same. Some sins are of course worse than others.
42:26 he has been proven wrong, we can see the historicity of the gospels in various ways and how they have not been forged, it would not make sense for Christian to grow this much Jesus did not do what He did.
The Pharisees were bad because they think they are better than anyone because they followed God's law, they judged people and see them as sinners and they somehow are the righteous. They are full of "Pride" and pride is one of the biggest sins in Christianity, they looked down on others for sinning but they also are sinners that's why when jesus said "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her(adulterer)" all they can do is walkaway speechless
Actually in some Christian sects especially the main ones we don’t believe Mary sinned and in the Bible she was blessed by God, so regardless of wether she sinned or not because she was blessed by God that raises her above normal men and women.
You guys have a weird view of preservation. Islam commenting on things of the new and old testament is not reliable because you have no evidence from that time nor any evidence linking Islamic traditions to that time. Islam's view on the prophets and Jesus are not taken seriously by any historians. Jews and Christians have all the evidence and the traditions while there is no evidence of an Islamic Torah and Gospel that were corrupted. I get that it's an idea in Islamic tradition, but it's kind of just an empty argument.
You seem to be forgetting that Muslims believe that the Quran is from God, and since God has a complete and correct record of all of human history, anything he tells us of the past is also the most reliable, since he(God) knows even the exact position of every atom in every second, which is far more information than any human historian could ever find out. It is the same logic by which you'd believe the story of Adam and Eve, dictated by Moses pbuh, even though he wasn't alive at the time or How Jesus pbuh was able to tell the Jews that Moses pbuh delighted n his day (prophethood) arriving, since he was informed this by the father(Only true God) who is the "I Am" [the father/Allah is , not Jesus pbuh] - Also Muslims believe that the past prophets exist, not due to historical records about these prophets (since we can't use modern archeology to verify anything about the past prophets with any real accuracy including their existence due to the passage of time and loss of evidence), Muslim believe in the Prophets because they believe in the Quran first, and the Quran tells them that the prophets existed and who they were and what they did. You got the thing in reverse a. Muslims believe the Quran is the Word of God, due to various reasons b. They now Believe what the Quran says is accurate c. The Quran says angels, and prophets and the day of resurrection etc. etc. exist, so muslims believe those things too, due to (b). --- The Bible and Torah are different from the Quran. Muslims believe the Quran is the literal verbatim word of God, so if you have come to Islam and now already believe that the Quran is the word of the Creator (due to whatever reasons that led you to believe in Islam in the first place) you can safely accept everything unverifiable that the Quran says as well. as long as the Quran doesn't contradict reality in any concrete way, you can accept it on all ambigous or unknoweable things (afterlife, angels, demons, hell, heaven, judgement day, souls, etc.). The bible and Torah are Not the word of God himself, they are openly accepted to be mere accounts of humans, second hand gossip of what disciples (according to christians) remember Christ/God telling and teaching them (like Hadith), so they are already influenced by human interpretations and understandings about what they were taught and what they were able to understand from it. Which would be okay... since Hadith are acceptable too. So if God directly tells a prophet and you writeit down word for word, OR God tells a prophet who tells your friend who then tellsyou or writes it down. It's valid for God to share information about things that aren't in front of you or which you cannot test or research. BUT The issue is, and where the preservatin argument comes in is. Do you have the words of God to begin with. as long as you can trace your book back to the prophet or to God, you are golden. Which is why the Quran can talk about all sorts of things from the past, future or the unseen realm, while being acceptable. Whereas the issue is, we cannot tracethe Torah back to moses pbuh, nor the bible to the lips of Jesus pbuh. As SUCH, this is where the issue arises. The Two Muslim boys in the video are casting doubt on whether you can trust unreliable people as the Jews, who have so easily gone astray so many times, for being good candidates and a reliable source to faithfully transfer the knowledge and words of God from generation to generation to finally us. That's what they're trying to say. "Can you trust that the Torah we hold in our hands today is the same Torah that Prophet Moses pbuh imparted to his people" If not, then how can we trust it? If the Torah cannot be traced back to the Prophet Isa/Jesus pbuh even (so if Jesus pbuh said the Torah is accurate) then it'd not be an issue. sadly we have no 1st hand accounts of Jesus a.s. 's words, nor can we trace anything in either Bible back to him. Since all theological writing about him is from anonymous sources. As the latest prophet in the 1st century, had we had him say from his lips that the Torah is accurate, we could've trusted the torah, since he'd have been able to confirm the Torah with the eternal record which lays with God. But since he didn't (as far as we can confirm) and we have no modern day prophet in the 21st century, we can't go ask God to verify wither book. As Muslims, we believe that the message was corrupted, people lost the way and the message and divine guidance, they lied and put words in Jesus a's''s mouth and slandered the prophets and twisted history. which is why God sent down the final prophet with the Quran (his literal words) to clarify the errors and misunderstandings that had crept into the holy scriptures on earth, due to human interpolation. and God set the record straight with the Quran, pointing out that the previous people had distorted their texts and had lost God's unadulterated words and message. which is why we cast doubt on the Torah and Bible, since we cannot verify them as being approved by the previous prophet Jesus pbuh, the same way that we can verify that the Quran is exactly the way it came out the mouth of final prophet Muhammad s.a.w Understood?
41:00 the reason prophet muhammad is not the promise messiah is because he had sinned . Ok hold up, im talking about sin in the standard of 10 commmandmen, in islam rasolullah is perfect example so you follow the sunnah, but remember the sin of suleiman and dawood about sexually sin, and jesus also refute the polygamy law in deutoromy and leviticus and tells the rabbis that it because your ancestor unjust so mosses had to applied those law in the begining adam has 1 wife who is eve. So prophet muhammad obvious sin by bible standard is polygamy just like solomon...
It is very interesting when we talk about the forgiveness. I took an example from the story you told. You said that someone broke other's computer. The owner forgave him and then you forgot one thing: in order to the owner could use the computer, the owner should repair it or buy the new one. In other words, the owner took the punishment for the one who forgiven.
This is a human example which still doesn’t apply in the way you are suggesting. What if the one whose computer broke can fix the computer as if it were nothing? I.e. (the cost being irrelevant). What if he decides not to even replace the computer? The key point is forgiving the other person who broke the item no strings attached. Using his resources, power, ability to restore what was broken is not related to the forgiveness. What if the computer was broken by accident? Or say you lose control of a car and hit someone and kill them. For the computer example, even tho it was an accident, there was no evil to forgive, if the computer needed to be replaced the owner will still have to find a way to replace it (if wanted). As for the accidental murder, no one has to pay the price even tho the murder occurred, God will not expect a sacrifice for that, however if the intention of murder was present, now God must have a sacrifice to pay the price of the action in order to forgive? It doesn’t seem to make sense. Besides, animal sacrifices or the sacrifice of Jesus does not necessarily directly fix or replace damage caused by sin on this earth, when comparing paying for a new laptop. A better example would be insulting. If someone swears at you, you can either forgive them or hold a grudge. But how would you forgive them? By nearly forgiving them. There wouldn’t be a transaction or a payment. This is infinitely true for God. Our sins mean nothing, they have no impact on him or real power. Everything happens within Gods will, even our ability and capacity to sin. God forgiving a sin without having us kill someone or something does not mean he is taking on punishment because it comes at zero cost to God.
@MuslimMindsUS That's a great example. Acrually it's hard for me to explain. This is my view and maybe wrong. First, there is called butterfly effect. Any event should cause something happened in the following sequence. So, I would like to say that 'punishment' is part of 'consequence'. And 'punishment' is 'consequence' which make someone feel discomfort or sacrifice something. (Addition in first edit:The punishment of sin is Death) So, the punishment could be experienced by more than one side(party/group. Sorry bad English). Sin from one person could effect many people. Because of sin of Adam and Eve, the entire world should receive the punishment. The root of all those misfortunes is the sin of Adam and Eve. So Car accident is part of the punishment; should buy new computer is the punishment; the family of the dying should lost that person is part of the punishment. If Adam and Eve didn't commit sin, everything would entirely different. Then why we should still receive the punishment? Did Jesus already take that? As I said before, the punishment could be experienced by more than one person, party, side, etc. Jesus take the punishment which we cannot redeem(first edit: which is death, se:note:God don't want us to die and want us to go back to him.), and we should take what we could redeem(fe: repair the relation with other and any other worldly things). Example, someone broke my computer. The punishment for me is I should repair it, or should buy a new one, or if I don't do these, I couldn't use my computer. The punishment for the person who broke it is feeling guilty, or should repair my computer, or buy a new one. If it happens by accident, it is because of sin of Adam and Eve. If someone swear at me, I should feel discomfort for a while which is the punishment. Maybe later, the person felt guilty, or get punishment from other person, or his/she future becomes bad because he/she still have bad attitude. So what is forgiveness? It is when you don't hold a grudge for other people, when you don't increase the punishment for other people, when you can accept the misfortune and carry out the punishment with joy. That's from me.
YHWH is a righteous and holy judge. Since He is just, He cannot allow sin to go unpunished. If you committed a crime the judge and victim of said crime can forgive you, but you will still have to pay the consequence. The wages of sin is death, so you will have to pay for the sin with your death, but through the blood of The Spotless Lamb you are washed clean, seen as righteous and holy in the eyes of The Father and granted eternal life.
Although we disagree very much, the reaction was great, an actual reaction, you guys stopped an actually gave feedback and listened to it what the video said, also, you Rohaib seem to have actually looked into things! ❤ ✝️ وعلیکم السلام
King David is my goat he defeated an entire army on his own by his faith. He could leap great distances and heights with faith God would empower him. He was known as a fighting king; a warrior
As an Orthodox Christian I was always taught that we are all born with the capability to sin and not that people are inherently sinful. Many blessings brothers!!
45:24 to answer Hamza, it was because they deemed themselves to be better than other, they were self indulged and they were concerned with appearing holy and good but didn't care for what was inside. They had a Holier than Thou attitude.
Yes Noah is no different from d other guys. But God is smart enough to know that he is most likely going to obey God than d others... Its not about who is d most sinful. Its about who is most likely going to obey... Noah fears God far more than d others
There needs to be a sacrifise for all of humanity's sins so all of humanity can have eternal life. In the Old Testament people sacrifised animals to pay for their sins. So what? They still kept sinning because of their fallen nature. It was only through Christ's sacrifise, who is both fully man and fully God, that we can have our entire debt paid so that we may have eternal life. No sheep can have such power. Only the Son of God.
I'm a Christian and I believe in evolution, the guy making the video is also a evolutionist since we do not believe it messes with the Biblical narrative and there is too much evidence to support the scientifically agreed timeline to say that it was a literal 6 day creation without believing God is trying to trick us. Another point to support evolution in the biblical narrative is that Genesis talks about days for each part of creation but it says day 1 before day was created implying that it is a figurative day referring to a longer period of time which is further supported later in the Bible saying "a day to the Lord is like a thousand years" since he is beyond time. Thats not to say God didn't create the universe and he obviously made is specifically for life on Earth with how perfectly everything fits together for our planet. I also do not think God couldn't create the Earth in 6 days but it just doesn't seem as likely as the evolutionist story
Protestant here! Not all sins are the same. What you may have heard is that all sins are enough to separate us from God, which is true since He is perfect, but some sins are definitely worse than others in the scripture.
6:50 - The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross wasn't the forgiveness of sin it was the punishment taken on our behalf, so that we can be justly forgiven. Here's how that works: All sin, any sin, regardless of how small we may think it is, puts us in debt to God, the same way a criminal is in debt to society. For the criminal, the debt is paid in prison with time as the currency. For sinners, the debt is paid in Hell with the experience of God's wrath as the currency. Now, when we say "God forgives our sins", it's used in the same context that someone might forgive a debt. It doesn't mean the debt goes unpaid. It just means the one who forgives the debt takes the loss upon himself. If I lend you $100 and you come back and say "Look, Mal, I cannot afford to pay you back $100. I'm in a tight spot and that's a lot of money for me." I can say, "My friend, don't worry about it. Debt forgiven.". That means I'm taking the loss of $100 upon myself. I paid for whatever you spent that money on. Now, back to our sin debt with God. We say to God "Look, I can't afford to spend eternity taking your wrath in Hell. That's terrible. I can't do it.". God says "My son, don't worry about it. Debt forgiven.". God took the loss by being born as a human, living a perfect, sinless life, and taking the punishment we deserve for our sin upon Himself. Now, just like you have the ability to say to me "No, man. That's not fair. I'm going to pay you back.", you have the ability to tell God "No, I don't want you paying for my sins. Let me pay for them myself.", and God will let you do that. He doesn't want to, but it is your decision. 9:50 - All sin is the same in that it demands God's wrath in Hell. But Jesus spoke of greater and lesser punishments in Hell. So, while a porn addict won't be punished as severely as a rapist, and someone who hates someone else won't be punished as severely as a murderer, they will still suffer the eternal wrath of God for their individual sins. Also, Noah was a drunkard. 11:00 - Abraham didn't say sister in faith, he said sister. In the Bible, there is no such thing as a white lie. In this scenario, Abraham sinned by lying. He should have either stayed silent or spoke the truth. And if he needed to protect her, then he should have done so honestly. Even if it meant losing his life in the process. The sin would then be only on the king. 17:00- Agreed. God is beyond our mortal understanding. All we have is His revelation to us. We don't have to understand Him to believe what He says. Jesus talked about Himself as being God, talked about the Father as being God, and speaks of the Holy Spirit as being God. Furthermore, Jesus draws a distinction between the 3, meaning they are not each other. Then Jesus repeats the Shema of Israel "Hear, O, Israel, the Lord your God is one.". So, from Jesus' own words, we have a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit, which are 3 individual entities, yet are 1 God. I don't have to understand it. I just believe what he says. 19:35 - Yeah, so God tells Joshua to lead the Israelites around the walls of Jericho in silence once per day for 6 days. On the 7th day, they were to blow trumpets. They obeyed this strange command from God, and the walls fell. 23:00 - Jesus answers this question beautifully. "There is no one good but God." Every prophet of God has been human. And humans are inherently evil. Some more than others, but evil nonetheless. The point is, God doesn't choose good people because there are none. God chooses evil, broken people, some of which choose to serve Him. 25:30 - Several times you've brought up that it makes no sense that prophets sin and once you've brought up that it makes no sense that divine communication is what makes someone a prophet. But isn't that a bit hypocritical? Muhammad had to repent between 70 and 100 times per day, according to Sahih al-Bukhari 6307 and Sahih Muslim 2702. That's 1 repentance every 14.4-20.5 minutes...every...single...day. By his own words.
The catholic church accepts its followers believing in evolution. As someone who studies chemistry, biology, and has always relied on scientific fact in my life (especially before I truly believed in god and practiced Christianity), I like to think that God simply created the quarks and other building blocks of matter/energy
Depending on the denomination some Christians believe that the Bible is saying the creation literally as stated and not a metaphor and some believe it’s a metaphor, and some believe it’s not a metaphor but the words are explained in a way way that it matches current scientific belief. Catholics and orthodox believe that modern science does not go against or disputes the Bible where as other sects believe that science is evil or against the Bible.
The prophet Muhammad ﷺ did not “take” his adopted sons wife. They had a divorce and the prophet married her, nothing impermissible about that. There is no other historical record that indicates the prophet just forced them to divorce so he could marry. Doesn’t matter if you, we, or anyone thinks it’s weird, if it’s not a prohibition. Its not a prohibition. That however does not address the slander of the prophets in the Old Testament such as Lots’ drunken incest with his own daughters Solomons 700 wives and 300 concubines David committing adultery and sending the husband of the woman to die in a battle Moses becoming angry that his men did not kill all the women in a battle and ordered to take the young women for themselves. If you believe in the Old Testament and believe that these men were messengers of God, thank you cannot by any means exclude the prophet Muhammad ﷺ on that comparison, nor can you really try to undermine his character based on that because you really cannot compare that to: drunken incest, having 1000 women, killing women etc. -Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUSIn our Sanatan religion women have always been given a place as deity /GOD. In our Sanatan religion there is no process like conversion and divorce.
@@MuslimMindsUS Where does the word divorce come from? There is no such thing as divorce in our traditional religion. We only get married once, our marriage is compared to the marriage of seven births when only one is married. The word driver is an Arabic word and Euros comes from Europe and European countries of Judeo-Christian origin
@@MuslimMindsUS Where does the word divorce come from? There is no such thing as divorce in our traditional religion. We only get married once, our marriage is compared to the marriage of seven births when only one is married. The word driver is an Arabic word and Euros comes from Europe and European countries of Judeo-Christian origin
Angels are also able to sin and they did… 🙂 God forgives us but you can’t forget that the wage of sin is death that’s why the sacrifices, He forgives us without sacrifices but You will continue to die that’s why the sacrifice.. that’s why Jesus dying is meaningful because God can forgive us and the price of sin already has been paid. 🙂
42:34 we see throughout the Old Testament the concept of Trinity, not completely but some foreshadowing of it. Also, atonement is through sacrifice, I don't understand what makes you conclude that brother.
16:26 we still don't fully understand God because we have limited human minds compared to an infinite God. I don't see how people in the old testament not knowing about Jesus doesn't mean they aren't worshiping God because Jesus is God. It's not as if there's this God their not worshipping.
You guys are so confused about the prophets sinning(David, Solomon,etc.) bcs you do not have the same view on humanity, everyone is imperfect and sins, yet like i said you guys are confused because you see Muhammad as sinless, him being a human just like us (even tho if we dellete our bias out of our head and read the hadiths that you guys claim to have read we can see that Muhammad was indeed a sinner. We christians don't need the quran or hadiths to prove the imperfection of Muhammad, we just simply rely on common sense and the bible, that every human is a sinner, but that's just for you guys) surah 4 verse 24 surah 4 verse 34 surah 65 verse 4 (this one is to destroy the "you can marry/have sex after you hit puberty") sahih al bukhari 5134 sahih muslim 1404a-1405b (mutah aproved by Muhammad)
30:18 the reason jesus need to baptise by john (yayha) the baptist is explained in the bible. To fullfill the king priest melchizedek promise by Ibrahim. You must understand that the video is a summarized of 30k + verses. So you need to read. And the person who make the video also skip many prophets to shorten
I heard you guys say something pretty interesting about: how could Jesus have been born sinless and be God if he was born to Mary who was a normal person? Well the Catholic Church says that in order for that to have happened Mary would have had to be born without original sin and stayed a virgin her whole life. Those are called the Marian Dogmas and I’m pretty sure the Quran talks about that story of Mary’s birth to Joachim (Imran) and Anne.
✞We all need to repent and turn to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He Loved us enough to carry a 300-pound cross and have His hands and feet nailed to it. He loves us all far more than we can imagine. It is through Him and not by our works that we can live and love. God bless.✞❤
Concerning the Genesis account, the whole sequence is recorded to have been completed in six literal days (though some denominations would state otherwise, fyi). The thing to remember about God is that He is self-existent, meaning no beginning and no ending. That is what the Hebrew title “I AM” means, “the self-existent one.” So when Genesis starts with “In the beginning, God,” it fully implies God had been there to initiate that beginning. That verse goes on to say He “created the heavens and the earth,” as a summary of the whole creation account. In that one verse, we have several scientific constants introduced: Time (beginning), force (God created), space (heavens), and matter (earth). God is able to create these things because He is outside them, like the architect is not bound to the dimensional limitations of his blueprints. There are many more examples. I would suggest looking up scientific facts in the Bible. Science does not prove the Bible. The Bible supports science.
7:00 Oh, okay. Christianity is all about making restitution. There's a chapter in Exodus that talks about payments that must be made when a person kills another guy's animals. God forgives but there still must be justice.
Depending on the denomination some Christians believe that the Bible is saying the creation literally as stated and not a metaphor and some believe it’s a metaphor, and some believe it’s not a metaphor but the words are explained in a way way that it matches current scientific belief. Catholics and orthodox believe that modern science does not go against or disputes the Bible where as other sects believe that science is evil or against the Bible. Also God did not exact retribution from anyone because Jesus is God so he payed the price of the sin for us. He has to pay the price logically because he warned humans that if they sin they will be punished, and God of course does not lie, so to avoid breaking his word he did someone so mind boggling and impossible that he sent us his only son Jesus (who is also God, the same being that rules the universe and created the universe) so that he could complete the process of punishment.
The reason why Christians believe the Phaerisis are bad is because they might have been following the law of god but their intention to do so was flawed - tainted by selfish motives. Jesus pointed that out and tried to correct them. They where not following the will of god for the sake of following the will of god alone but because they wanted to gain power and respect within their own community so they would be respected and could rule if the people. Jesus understood that and criticized their sinful motives.
I have a question Please don't take offense Did Mohammed ever sin? Also why do you believe that Jesus will return and rule? One more question, why are there so many Muslim sects? Sunni, Shia, Moors, ect?
The prophet or any of the prophets according to Islam never intentionally sinned. We believe Jesus will return because of authentic Hadith (saying of the prophet) and Quranic indications that he will return. (Probably because his message was hijacked and he was improperly worshipped, he will come to set things straight) The prophets of their time have the authority of God to rule over their people. So Jesus being the ultimate figure at that time will be the most fit to rule. There really aren’t that many sects in Islam. You mentioned 3 and they disagree in relatively minor matters. The book, belief in God, and prophethood are exactly the same. It’s not like Christianity for example where there are thousands of sects, different bibles per sect, and radically different beliefs such as Unitarianism and Trinitarianism. -Rohaib
One of the biggest theological chasms in Christianity (one that even exists within denominations) is between those who take a literal view of the Scriptures, and those who have a metaphorical understanding of them that is enhanced by history, science, archaeology and critical inquiry. What is generally presented on television and also (for the most part) by the creator of this video is the literal view, however, what one would get if they studied at the top Christian seminaries or major western universities would be the other type. This can then result in very different ways of looking at the faith and the world.
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Interesting reaction...but there were so many misconceptions, so I will focus on some. 🚩Creation (or Evolution): There are true Christians (i.e. these are people that actually follow and practice the faith) who either believe in the Biblical narrative of "the creation order" as told in Genesis with some Christians who opt to follow the science evolutionary narrative of "creation". Personally in my years before becoming a true believer I accepted the science narrative, but have since switched to the Genesis account of creation. 🚩Just like Genesis says God made man (a fully grown man from dust), so why would we dismiss that he could also make the universe fully-formed as Genesis states. Science speaks of the "billions" of years of the universe, and as one example uses light as a qualifier - i.e. how long it took light from stars to reach us on earth. This assumes God could not have done similar as he did when he created a adult male without the need for that male to have started as a baby. So Yes, God could have made light from stars visible to man at the moment he created them...this goes for everything else on earth to, like rocks etc. that evolution attempts to explain as billions of years. 🚩You claim from the Islam's perspective it is open to "evolution", I have never read anything in the Quran that directly stipulates that, and there is certainly no proof that your prophet believed that, except the reference to one of Allah's name's as the "evolver - Al-Baari". Here is the different with the Bible's teaching, it says God "sustains" his creation after creating it, so if this is what he does then this shows that he completed his creation before he could "sustain" it. Also God calls what he created "good" and "exceedingly good" at the end of each creation day. How could he use these words if they were "not completed" yet? -------------- 🚩Adam & Eve were the same (Hamza questioned this)? Sure they were, Eve is made from Adam, they both come from the same stuff of the earth (dust) - Genesis 2:21-22. But to prove they are the same God calls his creation Adam (which means "man" or mankind), yet God is clear he is referring to both Adam & Eve, both are called Adam since "Adam" is both the proper name of the first human and a designation for humankind (Genesis 5:2), so they are the same in the sight of God. -------------- 🚩Sin entered the world through Adam & Eve, so human's do sin...but unlike Islam, angels to can sin (since God gives all his creation, "choice"). Scripture is clear angels had choice, Satan's choice was to challenge his creator and was cast out of heaven with those angels that supported him (whom we call demons). Actually, Adam was not (easily) tricked, he was fully aware of his actions. God forewarned him of the consequence of disobeying him, so Adam & his wife clearly understood what they were doing when they disobeyed God...and this is the reason for their harsh punishment but they had forgiveness (even though they went against God despite knowing it was wrong). Satan and his demon's were given an even harsher punishment, certain death because they dwelt in God's presence and fully aware and knowledgeable of who he was. 🚩Also you misunderstand "original sin". Original sin occurred when Adam and Eve were tempted and committed the first (original) sin. Christians believe all humans are descended from Adam and Eve, which means that they all have the ability to disobey God as Adam did (that is what we have inherited, that is what has been passed down, disobedience (i.e. the ability to sin)....unless you know someone that is pure & sinless that have continued to be this way from birth to death and not followed Adam & Eve's disobedience by following God perfectly?). You used a really bad example for "forgiveness" i.e. someone erasing your PC....really...LOL. A better question to answer of forgiveness is, would you use this analogy to forgive someone in an adulterous affair if you are the victim (it was your spouse) or how would you forgive someone that kills someone you love?. Is there anything they can do as payment to receive your forgiveness? 🚩This simple analogy has been used many times before, so let's go with it: Sin is a crime against God, and as a just and righteous God he can't allow a good deed to cover the bad deed (i.e. the good to out-weigh the bad as taught in Islam - e.g. if you are found guilty of a crime would a human judge accept it if you told him about the good deeds you did or will do?)..., this is exactly what God demands, justice...and no past or present good deeds will do. 🔷God can't be bribed with man's deeds (besides even atheist to good deeds, does this mean they can also be "saved" because of their good deeds if it out-weigh's their bad deeds?. If this is true, then no one needs religion, you just have to balance your own good versus bad deeds).
9:30 all sin is equal to God. That doesn't mean all sin is equal to us. I guess in your example the difference is that people sinned more commonly and with less repentance. I dont know the exact interpretation but it doesn't seem like there is no possible explanation like your making it out to be.
As a Christian I don't believe in a literal 6-day creation. To treat Genesis like a science or biology text is to misuse the text. I believe in theistic evolution, an approach that is accepted by the Catholic church as valid, among others. The opening verse in Genesis: In the beginning created the heavens and the earth . . . . and God said let there be light, and there was light. To me that is a wonderful intuition of the big bang theory. The writers of Genesis were divinely inspired to reveal that the whole creation was made by the one true God, the Great I Am in terms they could understand, (You might deduce from that last statement, I have a different view of scripture in terms of it accurately describing scientific things. However, in matters of faith, the Scripture is the true rule and guide for faith and practice. It reveals to us what is necessary for our salvation.
The constant sin, the constant failure to uphold God's tenets and covenants, etc is part of the big theological difference. The Jews mess up a LOT, but God keeps reminding them that if they just listen to him he'll see them through. Any time that the Israelites falter from the path of God, worship false gods, stray from the path of glory, they face their lowest times and are brought to ruin. It's only in times of faith in their God that the Israelites are given their due.
@17:12 Why is it a problem if all earthly analogies for the trinity fail in some respect? Surely, you believe that there is "nothing like God" -- Not clover (3 leaves), water (liquid, solid, gas), the sun (heat, light, star), or time (past, present, future). Hence, if there is no perfect analogy for the Trinity, it shouldn't surprise anyone. In fact, it is what you'd expect if the doctrine were not the product of human imagination derived from natural associations. These analogies are tools to help one think of the Trinity. They are not the thing they are analogous to.
Gods’ incomprehensibility is not an irrational contradiction. The definition of the Trinity itself is a contradiction. Three separate but equal entities that are not each other but are all 100% the same being is a contradiction. The other attributes of God are incomprehensible but not irrational, for example, we can’t fathom how he created the heavens and the earth but we live in that creation. -Rohaib
That’s the whole problem, if you don’t like the word separate that’s fine we can leave it, but distinct brings us back to square one. It is explicit that Jesus is not the father and both are not each other nor are they the spirit. They have their own will and functions and are separated by physical space at times, such as when Jesus was on earth. The fact that they are distinct while all being 100% the same being does not make sense because to be distinct is to be different in nature. That’s the whole point of the Trinity 3 in 1. 3 distinct beings that are not each other.
@@MuslimMindsUS NO! Two bars of soap are distinct and yet, they are by nature still soap. Nature - what something is. Person - who someone is. If the person who is the father, relates as father to the second person who is the son, then that is enough a distinction to say that the father is not the son. And the son is not the father. This is an economic distinction. But it says nothing requiring that their natures to be different as you have claimed. Their nature could be humanity or divinity. Consider the following in Sunni theology. Is the Quran distinct from Allah? If yes, then its nature must be different (from your claim). And if the Quran is uncreated (the Sunni position), then you 2 uncreated entities that are separate -- Allah and the Quran. But how can you have 2 uncreated realities that are of different natures? At least, the Christians maintain that the three persons are of the same nature!
@@MuslimMindsUS I have addressed this line of argumentation from you before. It seems you're trying to invoke the so-called logical problem of the trinity but not really articulating it well enough. We (the entirety of the Western tradition at least) say there is a real distinction between the persons due to relative opposition between the persons as it relates to paternity and filiation for instance, but we otherwise say that the persons are identical to the divine essence. Any distinction between 'Father' and 'God' for instance is going to be a minor virtual distinction, in other words they are not really distinct from the divine essence but not the same notionally. Why exactly can there not be notional diversity within God? All you are saying is 'it doesn't make sense' and not explaining why. "They have their own will and functions and are separated by physical space at times, such as when Jesus was on earth." No actually, classical Trinitarian theology suggests that the three persons are of one will and intellection. Chalcedonian Christology would indeed say that Christ has two wills however, a human and divine will, but this wouldn't be a contradiction either because it is predicated according to the two natures. An analogy to this would be in the way that I can say that I, as a human being, am both material and immaterial, the former according to my body and the latter according to my soul, so to is Christ both immutable and mutable etc.
I’m not just stopping at “it doesn’t make sense”. I have explained how the Trinity does not fit with any analogy because the Trinity itself is contradictory and cannot be rationally reconciled. If one were to say the three don’t have different wills, is to ignore the three distinctions in the Trinity. That is why they are called distinct, they have different wills. The proof of this is in what you mentioned. That Jesus has two wills. This same element does not apply to the spirit nor the father, because neither the spirit nor the father are Jesus, and they did not become flesh incarnate. So to say they are of one will, but one has a will that cannot apply to the other, means they no longer share one will. Other evidences that undermine the idea of the Trinity is the clear difference in level between Jesus in the father. Jesus denying knowledge of the hour Jesus states: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. -clearly showing a difference in will. “I seek it mine own will, but the will of my father” that shows a distinction in the will of the father and Jesus. Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. -another distinction in will -Rohaib
I guess the ultimate goal of the dramatic ending of Jesus was to spread christianity and make it known worldwide, through it the world would be granted salvation, through Jesus you can obtain forgiveness of your sins
I would say even if you guys aren't Christian I would recommend reading the bible to have a better understanding, if not thats fine too. I love you guys.
7:44 I’m not entirely educated on the topic but I believe that god is willing to forgive us without sacrifice, but the people before Jesus didn’t seek it, and they chose to live in sin. God sent Jesus down to pay a price for our sin so even if we don’t want his forgiveness a price has been paid for us. That is how much he loves us. Now that isn’t a free ticket into heaven, you can’t just say Jesus is God and be smooth sailing, because that isn’t faith. If you truly have faith you will do the world of the Lord as well.
3:00 In Islaam = in the Qur’aan, Allaah (< Al-Ilaah) is Al-Ḵaaliq = the Creator of all, Aadam is the CORE of the symbolism of all of His creation and evolution, in other words, Allaah’s creation and evolution are two aspects of the same! 11:00 in the Qur’aan, Ibraahiim has only one wife, and at their old age Allaah gave them glad tidings of their only two sons: Ismaaᶜiil and Isḥaaq (including Yaᶜquub also known as Israa’iil through Isḥaaq)!
I struggled with this point for a long time with forgiveness as well it's all tied into how you view Jesus Jesus is the physical example of how God intended man to live knowing we could not live without sin he created a physical representation of himself that we could see touch and interact with to take the penalty we deserved because no one is perfect and everyone has sinned no one could get to heaven because God said the punishment for sin is death if he changed that God would be unreliable and a liar death had to occur by his own order how forgiveness works in this case is the one he put to death was the physical representation of himself essentially God killed God so we were spared what was due that's what they mean by forgiveness
Yes the idea of the Trinity can be confusing. When the 10 commandments were given to Moses the prophecy of Jesus had yet been revealed to the first Israelites who were the first Jews, hence why later on in Leviticus they received the 613 laws to which many of the Jews still follow to this day. The purpose of them was to separate them from the other people in the world. The prophecy of Christ I believe is first clearly spoken through Isaiah which speaks about how Christ will be born, what he will do and how it will die and so on. When Christ is born the Son portion of the trinity is revealed. Through Christ a new convent is created therefore removing the need for the Levitical law. Then after Jesus is crucified, resurrected, and ascends into heaven there is no direct connection to by which the people can communicate with God so he sends the Holy Spirt on the Day of Pentecost therefore revealing the third element of the Trinity. The Holy Spirt is basically how God works and communicates through those who believe in him under the new covenant through Jesus.
What Muslim don’t understand is that I idol is not an object an idol is everything that separates you to god. Saints thats catholic for example asked to pray for are not idols because the don’t seperate us to god but they are examples of people that leave everything to follow god they are considered as example and the actually link us to god not separate us to him.
I don’t think you understand what forgiveness is. Mankind rebelled against God and due to that their punishment would be hell. Instead Jesus (who is God) forgives us and dies on the cross taking the punishment of our sins by going to hell for us, as long as we repent of our sins and trust in him. When Jesus was dying on the cross he said forgive them father. God paid our fine like someone would pay a parking ticket. Now that the sins have been paid for all we need to do is ask for forgiveness and repent (no punishment)
bro chimps have thoughts they plan hunts and practice and learn new hunting strategies. Also Elephants, Apes, Monkeys, Whales and Dolphins all have "self awareness" which is thought and they learn "monkeys learn to steal when humans arent looking"
#MuslimMinds, In the beginning God created many realms and the earth. The earth was a lone creation in the known universe. It was empty and uneven. Around it there was only ocean of darkness. Then God said, Let there be light. And the universe, space and time were created. God separated stars into many and called the darkness night. Then God put a firmament over earth and separated the water into clouds and under earth.
1. Remember in Islam Jesus is also born from a Virgin Birth. 2. Jesus wasnt called Emmanuel because in the prophecy Emmanuel means God is with us OR God will save us. To understand that, the meaning of the name prophecy salvation of God and Jesus name is literally Salvation. Prophecy arent clear cut. If it is, then it should be false.
All sin are same in the fact that all sin separate you from god Its not same if i kill someone or steal The consequences of killing is more from stealing
Sin is about the state of heart and what you desire and long for. We live in a world full of earthly temptations and desires and nobody is above them. Every person is tempted by wealth lust greed gluttony etc and even pride. When we elevate these things above God or act as David and Solomon did and follow these desires of lust we take our eyes off off God. Its about heart and Spirit and relationship. Whether you know God or not its very easy to do. You muslims are supposed to pray 5 times a day just to remember Allah because your hearts and minds are often on other things. Its human! Since God is a holy God and he created us for relationship he can't stand sin of any sort but he is Gracious. He knows our humanity because he created us. I find no hope in Islam because there is no grace or certainty in Islam but Jesus provides both. Show me a man without sin. Your own prophet was riddled with it yet another reason I believe Islam to be false. Show me a sinless Muslim maybe they arent adulterers, idolators, murderers but the bible says all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God it's why as Christians we believe we need sacrifice and atonement because we can't make it alone. You ask about the pharisees they were legalistic they made up codes hadiths based on the law they understood the law in a materialistic sense rather than a spiritual one they misunderstood the purpose and the spirit of the law, which should have been about purity of heart and the right way to worship God. Jesus called for repentance and change of heart freedom but the pharisees sought to impose burdens rules about how to follow the law legalism!
#MuslimMinds, when a jew commits a sin and breaks one of the commandments, he confesses his sin before God in the temple and offers a sin offering. God forgives him. The faithful is bound to be obedient to the commandments of the LORD, so that he may receive salvation. When a Christian commits a sin and breaks one of the commandments, he confesses his sin before the LORD, and prays the act of contrition as the vow to be obedient to the commandments of the LORD. The LORD forgives him.
I mean I don’t believe in any religion, but you saying that X is irrational to believe, like the trinity that most Christians believe in vs your “one” god is a joke of an argument. Neither is a rational conclusion. It’s not rational to believe in one god or multiple gods or one got that for w/e reason wants to separate himself into 3 entities. This is the issue with all religions, you all just assume that your version is more logical or makes more sense but it doesn’t. You only believe it bc you were indoctrinated into believing it. The other argument is nobody argues that there’s more than 2 genders bc say there’s multiple sexes or sexual orientation. Gender is biological, if you are a guy and you have sex with a guy you’re still a man but your gay or bi… Not hard to understand, don’t know why religion people are so ignorant
We are saying it’s irrational because the definition of the triune God is clearly contradictory. Three distinct entities that are not each other but are 100% the same being. If they are all the same being and 100% of that being, then they would be each other. That doesn’t make sense compared to One God because there is no contradiction. -Rohaib
Talk about being ignorant. I didn’t believe until i was 27. You only believe what you want to believe. You don’t want to believe in God because that will make you accountable for every wrong thing you’ve ever done and you won’t be able to go on living the life you live. And saying that belief in God is irrational is very ignorant as well. But really nothing in your world view is rational at all. Nothing matters in your world view, especially being rational.
If the Israelites had corrupted the scriptures why would they leave in all those parts that make them look bad? If the idea was we can't trust sinful people with God's word because they might corrupt it to fit their beliefs it is odd that a: they kept in the parts that make them look like foolish idolators, and b: Jews and Christians kept the same old testament for 2000 years and didn't corrupt it to remove or add parts in to make them look correct and the other to look wrong. When scribes make mistakes we still have those individual manuscripts, unlike the quran where all the manuscript evidence was burned in the Uthmanic Recension, so we can actually see where each copy differs so we know what the original said where the thousands of manuscripts agree.
I 100% agree if it was corrupted it wouldn't be as it is, they say the Bible is corrupt because in there eyes it has to be, because in the Quran it says many books of the Bible are true but the Quran also denies that they are true at the same time so they say the Bible has to be corrupted but fail to realize the Quran is actually corrupted there are many mistakes in the Quran that they will never talk about or bring up and alot of copy and paste from the Bible picking and choosing what to believe. The Quran is just nonsense one second Muhammad is saying the Bible is the word of God also saying Jesus is the breathe of God to saying the Bible is corrupt and Jesus was just a prophet than saying Jesus is the Messiah and will judge mankind to he was the greatest prophet. But the big kicker Jesus is not the same person mention in Quran in the first place The Quran is corrupt it's the book of confusing.
Exactly
Glory to Christ
Islam also burned the library of Alexandria after copying alot of books to arabic right before "they're" golden age....
The reason God's forgiveness in the Bible does not make sense to you is because you do not see Jesus as God.
To a Christian who believes in the Trinity, God does demand payment for all sin because He is just. But His forgiveness is real forgiveness because He pays the price HIMSELF.
He does not say "You broke my computer, but I forgive you, if you buy me a new computer".
He says "If you ask forgiveness I'll forgive you, and buy the computer with my own money even though you're the one who broke it."
The example of the computer is to highlight the ability to forgive regardless if the computer is paid for or not.
The forgiveness is not contingent on the computer being restored in some way. The forgiveness of breaking the computer does not have to be due to the surety that the computer will be restored. I can forgive my friend who broke my computer and not replace it at the same time. It never has to be replaced in order for me to forgive.
The issue with the crucifixion is that it must have happened in order for forgiveness to be possible. The forgiveness is associated with the full punishment being carried out regardless. In the case of Christianity, it all fell upon Jesus.
That is what is clashing,. It’s not truly forgiveness because nothing was pardoned or let go, it was just transferred.
-Rohaib
I see why you're hung up on the necessity of transfer of reparation for sin, but God is perfectly just, so this is the only way God can forgive. If you think God can forgive without repayment then you believe in an unjust God.
@@MuslimMindsUS its that way because God cannot go back on his words...
"The wages of Sin is death"
the consequences of sin is death.
But God also made a way for Salvation
@@wesleydahar7797 Unjust God . Do you mean God that punished the most innocent guy in the history of the world for sins of others? Punishing the most innocent man for sins of others is 100% unjust and awful. So please don't tell us that our conception of God is unjust, your one definitely is unjust
@@ikbolzhonovych1239 When Jesus took the sins of His people, He took our guilt. So by definition He wasn't innocent.
So Ive watched a few of these with you guys, and you continually ask the same questions about David and the Prophets and others. Why are these the Christian Heros of Faith and yet so sinful?
This is going to be one of the chief theologically differences between Islam and Christianity.
This is a story of Grace, If God took these broken sinful people, and chose to make them his kings and prophets, it means there is hope for us as well in our sin and brokeness.
You strive for holiness, and hope in the end you are good enough for Allah, we understand that God demands perfection and no one is good enough, None can keep law, not even 1 commandment. These stories exist to show mans need for a savior, that without Christ even the best of us nothing but sinners.
Let me put this differently. The law of God, the 10 commandments and the other laws and precepts, are a mirror, or a ruler however you want to look at it, we judge ourselves by these standards, not so that the law can be kept, but to show us our sin. Christ came and because he was God he was without sin, he kept the Law, he paid sins penalty(death)and then rose again. He didnt stay dead because the power of death has no hold on an innocent man.
Those who believe these things, and trust in Christs righteousness, the Bible tells us it will be counted as their own.
So thats the whole point, that even though the prophets and the kings and whoever, were sinful, because of grace, and because of their desire to be with God, they were considered righteous
Thank youu! Beautifully explained
Nice explanation
nice explanation, also their question about the generation not passing away, when Jesus comes back everyone will see, even the dead. That generation will see Jesus in the clouds and so will we
Well said
@@richbandicoot Matthew 24 explains- Jesus precedes the statement about the last generation of believers on earth at the time of His return, with the parable of the Fig tree. The fig tree (Israel) became "in leaf" once again ( a 2,000 yr removed nation from the earth, sprang up again- unheard of) Jesus said "this generation will not pass until all things be fulfilled . What is a "generation"? Proverbs says it is 70 years or by reason of good health , 80 years. 1948 plus 70 yrs is 2018 (mathematically begun 2019 - anything happen that year???) and the end must be before 2028....." but for the elect's sake . God will shorten the time".
The Trinity is taught all throughout the Tanakh. The Angel of the Lord who appeared to Moses in the burning bush isn't an ordinary, created angel, He is God and the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, yet He is seperate from another person who is also God. That's the Trinity.
Indeed, Amen! ✝
39:20 I am pretty sure the word translated to "generation" also means a kind of group of people, so that his people will not not pass away before his second coming. I saw a video on it long ago and he also gave other examples of the word "generation" used in that way.
In your own example, if the laptop was really important, you or someone else would have to do something to replace it... To return things to the state prior to its destruction. So here, forgiveness means, that you don't require your friend to replace the laptop he broke. You have "granted relieve from payment or given up claim for requital". Basically, forgiveness means, that you don't have to pay the price or debt that your are morally or legally bound to. But it does not mean that someone else does not have to pay it. Similarly, just because you forgive your friend does not mean that you magically get a new laptop. No. Someone has to replace it. In your case, it is not your friend. But it is most likely you. And it is going to cost you something. This shows that forgiveness is costly. It always costs someone something.
So God forgives out of his love. But the debt of sin has to be paid for justice to be served. So that in the end, God is good. For He is both just and loving. If God were to just forgive, where's the justice?? And if God were to exact divine retribution for every sin, then were is the love?
exactly
7:20 It is not us paying a new computer to God so he forgives us, it is God paying for one himself and forgives us.
19:37 The trumpet thing is where God told Joshua to have seven priests carry trumpets and on the seventh day march around the city of Jericho seven times and then blow the trumpets followed by the army giving a loud shout, then the walls of Jericho collapsed and the army went in and destroyed the city.
As a Christian, I believe that the current scientific outlook on the origins of the universe does not contradict the faith. Indeed, the Catholic Church expresses that the six days God took to create the world were different days to define. IE, a day to God can be millions of years to us, and millions of years to God is only one day to us.
The Church teaches that God is beyond the concept of time, so since God alone was around for creation (and not mankind), His concept of time applies.
1) As an Orthodox, I don't believe in evolution theory and neither do most Orthodox. No Orthodox holy father accepted evolution theory, it clearly contradicts the Bible. But ofc, there are some (not-so-) Orthodox people, who do all sorts of mental gymnastics to explain how evolution theory fits in the Bible.
I also want to make a distinction between macro- and micro-evolution. I don't believe in macro-evolution (that we evolved from apes or that modern birds evolved from dinosaurs) but I believe in micro-evolution (that bird's beak size/form can change (evolve)).
2) 25:18 'Islam is true, because Bible is corrupt!' - say muslims. 'How do you know Bible's corrupt?' - we ask. 'Because Islam is true and Quran clearly contradicts Bible!' - say muslims. This is called "circular reasoning fallacy" my dear muslims. And how do you muslims explain this - Quran tells "people of the book" to follow their holy books and, eventually, if they correctly and sincerely follow their books, they will become muslims too. However, if we correctly follow our holy books, we must reject Muhammad and his Quran. Muslims understand this and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to explain this passage in Quran, but they fail.
3) 27:54 Book of Isaiah, 8:3 - "And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. Then the Lord said to me, “Call his name Maher-shalal-hash-baz;". Maher-shalal-hash-baz means "quickly to the plunder". The name Maher-shalal-hash-baz is a reference to the impending plunder of Samaria and Damascus by the king of Assyria, Tiglath-Pileser III. This name does not exist, it just means that this King will do something to deserve this "name".
So, Immanuel is Christ's name - He did something to deserve that name (Immanuel means "God with us").
It is more clear in the original language of the New Testament (Greek), where it is said - "He will be called" or "They will call Him" Immanuel. This is how it was translated in ESV (English Standard Version): "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel". (P.S. I hope you will not say that this is a different version of the Bible as some not-so-bright muslims say - this is just a different translation from the original).
4) 30:09 Christ knew He was God, when He was a baby He knew He was God. When during His baptism Holy Spirit descended unto Him and the voice of the Father from above confirmed Christ's divinity, this all was SHOWN TO PEOPLE to believe in His divinity. All 3 hypostases (persons) of the Holy Trinity work together - so when the Holy Spirit descended, the Son knew the Holy Spirit would descend and when the Father spoke, He knew this too beforehand. (P.S. and after this baptism He started His ministry, until then He was known to people as just Jesus, son of some random carpenter lol).
5) 31:26 There's nothing wrong with "obsession" with the rules of the Law of Moses. What is wrong is that those Pharisees invented new rules that were not part of the Law of Moses. By following these made-up rules, Pharisees did not follow the heart of the Law and sometimes even broke real rules that were given to them by God through Moses.
This is what Christ was saying in chapter 15 of Book of Matthew: "Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples break the **tradition of the elders**? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?". This "tradition of the elders" is what I called "made-up rules". Then Christ goes on to explain how Pharisees break 5th commandment by following certain "made-up rule".
My explanation is logical, because in the same Book of Matthew Jesus says that he came not to abolish the Law of Moses, but to fulfill it.
6) 32:51 Just because there's some similarity, it doesn't mean that there was borrowing from either side. But clearly sometimes there were borrowings and it is always borrowed from Christianity, not vice versa. For example: Hinduism is considered the oldest religion (at least it's older then Christinity), but they have their own version of Jesus. Did Jesus came as a human before He came as a human? No. Then why does the religion older then Christinity have traditions of Jesus? Because they borrowed it after He came - we did not borrow from them, their religion evolved. So, just because Christianity has similarities with another religion/tradition that has its roots deeper in the Past, it doesn't mean we took it from them
It would be similar to saying: 'Angel appeared to Joseph Smith [founder of the sect of Mormons] who taught him how to correctly do religion - this must be the same Angel that appeared to Muhammed!' or "Joseph Smith clearly borrowed from Islam, because angel also appeared to Muhammad".
7) 33:19 I mean, J**s... What else do we expect from them 🤷♂
8) 35:37 Yeah, usual crucifixion lasted many hours, but Christ's crucifixion ended relatively early. I guess that's how Christ wanted it to go, I have no other opinion.
On the validity of Christ's crucifixion story in the Bible - Roman soldier hit Christ with spear in his side while He hung on the cross and from His side water and blood flowed. I remember that medically this was checked to be true, water and blood would flow as it is written in the Bible. I read it long time ago, I wish I could provide an article.
P.S. After Christ died on the cross (He had 2 natures - His human nature (his mortal body) died on the cross, not His divine nature), His soul went into Hades/Hell and destroyed the gates of Hell. 3 days Later He was "restored" in his body, He resurrected. We all (dead or alive) will be resurrected on His glorious 2nd coming as well, because Christ in himself united all of Humankind (because He assumed human nature on His birthday and we all have human nature).
P.P.S. 'He (His body) died on the cross and then His soul went into Hades/Hell?' - Yes, my dear (Muslim/Protestant/*fill in) who asked this question in his head! He assumed all of human nature, this mean He assumed both body and soul. When His body died on the cross, His soul went into Hades/Hell and destroyed it. Then He preached gospel there and saved the souls of people who believed in Him.
9) 39:11 Come on, you know Our Lord Jesus Christ used many metaphors in His speeches - the word "generation" here clearly doesn't mean one generation. If He meant one generation, He would have returned by now, but the fact that He did not, means that He didn't use the word to say "one generation".... Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?... You will! Or not... and will go to He- 🤭🤭
10) Redeemed Zoomer could have done better, but the video was great overall. He's a Prot, Orthodox would have made different emphesises. For example, Orthodox make a bigger emphasis on resurrection than crucifixion, for Prots its vice versa and to some degree to Catholics as well.
11) God bless you! This is the prayer we say every morning: "Illumine with the light of awareness the apostates from the Orthodox Faith, and those blinded by pernicious heresies, and number them with Thy Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church." (P.S. Catholic Church here means "universal Church", because "catholic" means universal).
12) God bless you again! (I just wanted it to be 12, a very symbolic number and my favorite one lol).
36:10 He died early because of all the beating he got before that. He didn't even look human after that, so that is why he died early.
39:00 The passage about that generation not passing away is not actually in reference to the second coming.
Jesus was leaving the temple complex and told his disciples the temple buildings will be destroyed "I assure you: Not one stone will be left here on another that will not be thrown down!”
The disciples reply "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
So there are multiple aspects to his response. That generation did not pass before the destruction of the temple (70 AD)
About the second coming and end of the age, "This good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed in all the world as a testimony to all nations. And then the end will come."
Based partial preterism!!!!!
Thanks, brother :)
31:34 It was more about Jesus calling them to repentence and they thought they didn't need to, so therefore they didn't like this miracle man who calls them to repentence.
11:10 To provide a clearer explanation, Abraham's sin stemmed not just from the act of lying but from the underlying reason for his lie. He believed that if the Egyptians discovered that he and his wife were married, they might kill him to take her as their own. The root issue here was Abraham's lack of trust in God to protect him, that lack of trust causing him to take matters into his own hands is a recurring theme in his life. For example, Abraham succumbed to Sarah's worldly plan to have a child through Hagar, her servant, instead of relying on God's promise for the heir through Sarah.
In christianity we don't believe that prophets are incapable of sinning.. That's just nonesense. Their human beings like u and me.. They'll surely sin. Its that same lense we see our pastors... Yes they were called by God but it doesn't mean they can't make mistskes... Its why we're able to descern who is a false prophet and who isn't.... Believing that ur prophets are all complete saints is blind faith...
God Knows d people he chose are capable of doing wrong but he still gives them a chance.....
U guys should not use Islamic eyes to look at d story..
The Christian rainbow has 7 colors. The gay rainbow has 6 colors.
Also, the bow held by Jesus in Revelation is the rainbow from Genesis.
If you guys are really serious about understanding christianity or any religion, i dont think that a crash course video is the way to have any deep understanding. This was a very shallow and simplified understanding of the actions and intentions of God 💁🏾♀️.
Trinity - one person revealing himself in three essence or personhood
Why the prophets sin - they are human . Why God choose them - because He is within his right to choose who he wants to bless, curse or use. Its to show its about HIM and not humans or our 'goodness' . The entire plan of salvation is dependent on HIM. If you believe that you could do a better job, that is part of the reason why He wouldn't choose someone. God doesn't call the deserved but qualifies who He calls.
Reliability- oral traditions, canon texts, inspiration of understanding from the holy spirit and your own book saying to "ask the people of the book" if you are unclear.
Woah woah woah. You literally got it backwards. God is ONE ESSENCE, and THREE PERSONS.
Theyre not here to understand but to find faults in Christianity. It's sad but it is what it is.
Nope, we are here to watch content and give our views as Muslims, not to criticize anything maliciously.
10:50 Regarding Abraham's 'lie', I can't speak to what the Quran says about this but in the Bible Abraham said that for self-preservation not to protect his wife. Genesis 20:10-11 'And Abimelek asked Abraham, “What was your reason for doing this?” Abraham replied, “I said to myself, ‘There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.’ In fact Abraham saying that only led to her getting kidnapped; Genesis 12:18-19 'So Pharaoh called Abram and said, “What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? Why did you say, ‘She is my sister,’ so that I took her for my wife? Now then, here is your wife; take her, and go.”'
Yea, Completely for self preservation but technically Abraham didn’t lie and Sarai/h was his sister from a different mom. (Gen 20:12) His son Issac though did lie and call his wife (who was also his cousin) his sister
On forgiveness, I can say that God is perfectly just. A God who is not perfectly just could definitely let some sin go unpunished, but then he wouldn’t be God. So how can God be all merciful as well? He takes some of that punishment on himself, and gives forgiveness in the place of the justice He has purchased. Like a father taking his son’s place in prison, as an act of love, and forgiving that son’s transgressions against him. So in his sacrifice on the cross, God is able to be both perfectly merciful, perfectly just, and perfectly consistent.
37:28 because Jesus is the new Adam.
42:54 No MAN can bear the sin of another. Why? Of what I know it is because they have sinned themself and are too weak to bear the sin of others, but God is not 😉
1.Every single Bible and Ancient scholars believe in Crucifixtion. So its weird that Islam deny this even when 600 years before Muhammad no one deny this.
2. Even in Islam Jesus never had sin. Quite dissapointed that you dont know this. But heres the contradiction. How can in Islam Jesus is sinless but Muhammad is still the primary prophet?
At this point you are arguing with yourself, we didn’t make any point about the crucifixion, and if you cracked open the Quran even once you would realize that it says it looked like Jesus was crucified…. So the people would think he was… crucified. No contradiction with the historical narrative of Jesus being crucified because the Quran affirms people thought that he was.
I saw your other comment speaking on our behalf regarding our intentions with Christianity. Allow me to clarify our intentions for you.
We are not here to “look for flaws” with Christianity. We are Muslims and we are giving our honest thoughts about: scripture, religions, history, and so on. We aren’t going to sit there and just blindly accept the religious teachings of other faiths.
It’s pretty clear just by our remarks that we know way more than the layman about Christianity anyway, these videos aren’t to learn, these are reaction videos, as the title clearly states.
-Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS But according to the Hadiths, Judas is the one who was made to be crucified and Jesus never died. Then it's still a contradiction. What is the purpose of Judas being crucified if Jesus can supernaturally come out of the hands of the Romans a night before? We Christians believe Jesus can do that of course but he didn't because the purpose of crucifixion is the salvation of all mandkind. Islamic narrative that came hundreds of years later with 0 historical evidence from Christians or non-Christians doesnt make sense. And again I'm sorry but you didn't answer the question that if Jesus lived a blameless life even in Isla, never committed sin, performed miracles, came from virgin birth, what then is his purpose?
In any case, please know I might look like arguing with you but I hope that you can continue reacting to these kind of videos and that you find inner peace and love with what you're doing.
42:55 exactly , no man can bare enough sin. That why we need the messiah who sinless. Only the sinless can pay the debt of sin for entire humanity
The Pharisees couldn’t accept another entity being recognized as king of the Jews, because they was thirsting for power, common jewish folk loved Jesus. Even the Quran confirms Jesus was the messiah so how come you defend the Pharisees for distrusting Jesus, who by the way never boasted himself with titles but simply helped people and showed them the way. Even Pharisees regretted their decision as Christianity spread out, when they realized they killed the son of God
I don’t defend them, that’s my point. They are extremely corrupted that they did recognize their messiah, which illustrates their corruption.
As for the Christian narrative of the history, it makes sense why a believing Jews would not worship a man because that is the fundamental belief of the entire religion.
-Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS "[There was] a time when Jews and Christians were much more mixed up with each other than they are now, when there were many Jews who believed in something quite like the Father and the Son and even in something quite like the Incarnation of the Son in the Messiah, and when followers of Jesus kept koser as Jews, and accordingly a time in which the question of the difference between Judaism and Christianity just didn't exist as it does now. Jesus, when he came, came in a form that many, many Jews were expecting: a second divine figure incarnated in a human. The question was not 'Is a divine Messiah coming?' but only 'Is this carpenter from Nazareth the One who we are expecting?'. Not surprisingly, some Jews said yes and some said no. Today we call the first group Christians and the second group Jews, but it was not like that then, not at all." - Daniel Boyarin, The Jewish Gospels: The Story of the Jewish Christ
"Some Jews regard Christainity's claim to be a monotheistic religion with grave suspicion both because of the doctrine of the Trinity (how can three equal one?) but also because of Christianity's core belief that God took bodily form. What I have attempted to point out here is that biblical Israel knew very similar doctrines, and these doctrines did not disappear from Judaism after the biblical period." - Benjamin Sommer, The Bodies of God, p. 135
I (Catholic) affirm the big bang theory and evolution. It seems to be the way God created the universe and living organisms. By the way: It was catholic priest Georges Lemaître, who came up with the big bang theory.
😂 don’t be deceived
@kristofmolnar7106 facts
7:00 from the christian perspective Jesus’s sacrifice is Gods forgiveness because Jesus (God in the flesh) took accountability for our sins as a gift. So he essentially paid it for us. All the while he retained being a just and righteous God and judge. Because if he forgave us he wouldn’t be just because sin had no consequences/repayment
Science is constantly changing and we are discovering new things every day. When God says it happened, it happened that way. He said it happened in 6 days, so that's what I believe. Science is studying God's creation and trying to answer why He made it the way He did. Since God told humans to procreate right after making them, He created things at the perfect time. When are things perfect? When halfway through their life. This is why when looking at the sun and universe it looks as though its halfway through its life.
1:15 I´m Christian (Catholic) and I believe in all - current understanding of the universe, evolution and the bible. It complement itself
As a Christian I would recommend the book signature in the cell by Stephen C Meyer
37:43 You forget that he is 100% human AND 100% God at the same time
I just want to clarify the whole thing that Protestants believe that all sin is the same. It's true in one sense, but that doesn't mean that no sin is greater than the other. For example, it would be much worse for me to kill someone than to hate someone. However, all sin is the same in the sense that they bring us further away from God. That's how they're the same. Some sins are of course worse than others.
42:26 he has been proven wrong, we can see the historicity of the gospels in various ways and how they have not been forged, it would not make sense for Christian to grow this much Jesus did not do what He did.
The Pharisees were bad because they think they are better than anyone because they followed God's law, they judged people and see them as sinners and they somehow are the righteous. They are full of "Pride" and pride is one of the biggest sins in Christianity, they looked down on others for sinning but they also are sinners that's why when jesus said "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her(adulterer)" all they can do is walkaway speechless
28:15 Also the word used in Hebrew does not mean virgin. "Alma" just means maiden. "Betulah" Is how you would say virgin.
37:55 The most holy Virgin Mary was immaculately conceived, and did not contain original sin nor personal sin.
Did she die then? Death is the penalty for sin.
Actually in some Christian sects especially the main ones we don’t believe Mary sinned and in the Bible she was blessed by God, so regardless of wether she sinned or not because she was blessed by God that raises her above normal men and women.
You guys have a weird view of preservation. Islam commenting on things of the new and old testament is not reliable because you have no evidence from that time nor any evidence linking Islamic traditions to that time. Islam's view on the prophets and Jesus are not taken seriously by any historians. Jews and Christians have all the evidence and the traditions while there is no evidence of an Islamic Torah and Gospel that were corrupted. I get that it's an idea in Islamic tradition, but it's kind of just an empty argument.
You seem to be forgetting that Muslims believe that the Quran is from God, and since God has a complete and correct record of all of human history, anything he tells us of the past is also the most reliable, since he(God) knows even the exact position of every atom in every second, which is far more information than any human historian could ever find out.
It is the same logic by which you'd believe the story of Adam and Eve, dictated by Moses pbuh, even though he wasn't alive at the time or How Jesus pbuh was able to tell the Jews that Moses pbuh delighted n his day (prophethood) arriving, since he was informed this by the father(Only true God) who is the "I Am" [the father/Allah is , not Jesus pbuh]
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Muslims believe that the past prophets exist, not due to historical records about these prophets (since we can't use modern archeology to verify anything about the past prophets with any real accuracy including their existence due to the passage of time and loss of evidence), Muslim believe in the Prophets because they believe in the Quran first, and the Quran tells them that the prophets existed and who they were and what they did.
You got the thing in reverse
a. Muslims believe the Quran is the Word of God, due to various reasons
b. They now Believe what the Quran says is accurate
c. The Quran says angels, and prophets and the day of resurrection etc. etc. exist, so muslims believe those things too, due to (b).
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The Bible and Torah are different from the Quran. Muslims believe the Quran is the literal verbatim word of God, so if you have come to Islam and now already believe that the Quran is the word of the Creator (due to whatever reasons that led you to believe in Islam in the first place) you can safely accept everything unverifiable that the Quran says as well. as long as the Quran doesn't contradict reality in any concrete way, you can accept it on all ambigous or unknoweable things (afterlife, angels, demons, hell, heaven, judgement day, souls, etc.).
The bible and Torah are Not the word of God himself, they are openly accepted to be mere accounts of humans, second hand gossip of what disciples (according to christians) remember Christ/God telling and teaching them (like Hadith), so they are already influenced by human interpretations and understandings about what they were taught and what they were able to understand from it.
Which would be okay... since Hadith are acceptable too.
So if God directly tells a prophet and you writeit down word for word, OR God tells a prophet who tells your friend who then tellsyou or writes it down. It's valid for God to share information about things that aren't in front of you or which you cannot test or research.
BUT
The issue is, and where the preservatin argument comes in is.
Do you have the words of God to begin with.
as long as you can trace your book back to the prophet or to God, you are golden.
Which is why the Quran can talk about all sorts of things from the past, future or the unseen realm, while being acceptable.
Whereas the issue is, we cannot tracethe Torah back to moses pbuh, nor the bible to the lips of Jesus pbuh. As SUCH, this is where the issue arises.
The Two Muslim boys in the video are casting doubt on whether you can trust unreliable people as the Jews, who have so easily gone astray so many times, for being good candidates and a reliable source to faithfully transfer the knowledge and words of God from generation to generation to finally us.
That's what they're trying to say.
"Can you trust that the Torah we hold in our hands today is the same Torah that Prophet Moses pbuh imparted to his people"
If not, then how can we trust it?
If the Torah cannot be traced back to the Prophet Isa/Jesus pbuh even (so if Jesus pbuh said the Torah is accurate) then it'd not be an issue. sadly we have no 1st hand accounts of Jesus a.s. 's words, nor can we trace anything in either Bible back to him.
Since all theological writing about him is from anonymous sources.
As the latest prophet in the 1st century, had we had him say from his lips that the Torah is accurate, we could've trusted the torah, since he'd have been able to confirm the Torah with the eternal record which lays with God.
But since he didn't (as far as we can confirm) and we have no modern day prophet in the 21st century, we can't go ask God to verify wither book.
As Muslims, we believe that the message was corrupted, people lost the way and the message and divine guidance, they lied and put words in Jesus a's''s mouth and slandered the prophets and twisted history. which is why God sent down the final prophet with the Quran (his literal words) to clarify the errors and misunderstandings that had crept into the holy scriptures on earth, due to human interpolation. and God set the record straight with the Quran, pointing out that the previous people had distorted their texts and had lost God's unadulterated words and message. which is why we cast doubt on the Torah and Bible, since we cannot verify them as being approved by the previous prophet Jesus pbuh, the same way that we can verify that the Quran is exactly the way it came out the mouth of final prophet Muhammad s.a.w
Understood?
41:00 the reason prophet muhammad is not the promise messiah is because he had sinned . Ok hold up, im talking about sin in the standard of 10 commmandmen, in islam rasolullah is perfect example so you follow the sunnah, but remember the sin of suleiman and dawood about sexually sin, and jesus also refute the polygamy law in deutoromy and leviticus and tells the rabbis that it because your ancestor unjust so mosses had to applied those law in the begining adam has 1 wife who is eve. So prophet muhammad obvious sin by bible standard is polygamy just like solomon...
It is very interesting when we talk about the forgiveness. I took an example from the story you told. You said that someone broke other's computer. The owner forgave him and then you forgot one thing: in order to the owner could use the computer, the owner should repair it or buy the new one. In other words, the owner took the punishment for the one who forgiven.
This is a human example which still doesn’t apply in the way you are suggesting. What if the one whose computer broke can fix the computer as if it were nothing? I.e. (the cost being irrelevant). What if he decides not to even replace the computer? The key point is forgiving the other person who broke the item no strings attached. Using his resources, power, ability to restore what was broken is not related to the forgiveness. What if the computer was broken by accident? Or say you lose control of a car and hit someone and kill them. For the computer example, even tho it was an accident, there was no evil to forgive, if the computer needed to be replaced the owner will still have to find a way to replace it (if wanted). As for the accidental murder, no one has to pay the price even tho the murder occurred, God will not expect a sacrifice for that, however if the intention of murder was present, now God must have a sacrifice to pay the price of the action in order to forgive? It doesn’t seem to make sense.
Besides, animal sacrifices or the sacrifice of Jesus does not necessarily directly fix or replace damage caused by sin on this earth, when comparing paying for a new laptop.
A better example would be insulting. If someone swears at you, you can either forgive them or hold a grudge. But how would you forgive them? By nearly forgiving them. There wouldn’t be a transaction or a payment.
This is infinitely true for God. Our sins mean nothing, they have no impact on him or real power. Everything happens within Gods will, even our ability and capacity to sin. God forgiving a sin without having us kill someone or something does not mean he is taking on punishment because it comes at zero cost to God.
@MuslimMindsUS
That's a great example. Acrually it's hard for me to explain. This is my view and maybe wrong.
First, there is called butterfly effect. Any event should cause something happened in the following sequence. So, I would like to say that 'punishment' is part of 'consequence'. And 'punishment' is 'consequence' which make someone feel discomfort or sacrifice something. (Addition in first edit:The punishment of sin is Death)
So, the punishment could be experienced by more than one side(party/group. Sorry bad English). Sin from one person could effect many people. Because of sin of Adam and Eve, the entire world should receive the punishment. The root of all those misfortunes is the sin of Adam and Eve.
So
Car accident is part of the punishment; should buy new computer is the punishment; the family of the dying should lost that person is part of the punishment.
If Adam and Eve didn't commit sin, everything would entirely different.
Then why we should still receive the punishment? Did Jesus already take that?
As I said before, the punishment could be experienced by more than one person, party, side, etc.
Jesus take the punishment which we cannot redeem(first edit: which is death, se:note:God don't want us to die and want us to go back to him.), and we should take what we could redeem(fe: repair the relation with other and any other worldly things).
Example, someone broke my computer. The punishment for me is I should repair it, or should buy a new one, or if I don't do these, I couldn't use my computer. The punishment for the person who broke it is feeling guilty, or should repair my computer, or buy a new one. If it happens by accident, it is because of sin of Adam and Eve.
If someone swear at me, I should feel discomfort for a while which is the punishment. Maybe later, the person felt guilty, or get punishment from other person, or his/she future becomes bad because he/she still have bad attitude.
So what is forgiveness? It is when you don't hold a grudge for other people, when you don't increase the punishment for other people, when you can accept the misfortune and carry out the punishment with joy.
That's from me.
YHWH is a righteous and holy judge. Since He is just, He cannot allow sin to go unpunished. If you committed a crime the judge and victim of said crime can forgive you, but you will still have to pay the consequence. The wages of sin is death, so you will have to pay for the sin with your death, but through the blood of The Spotless Lamb you are washed clean, seen as righteous and holy in the eyes of The Father and granted eternal life.
In Catholicism, we (mostly) believe that the creation story is symbolic, not literal.
Although we disagree very much, the reaction was great, an actual reaction, you guys stopped an actually gave feedback and listened to it what the video said, also, you Rohaib seem to have actually looked into things! ❤ ✝️ وعلیکم السلام
Thanks for the comment Niccolo!
-Hamza
34:46 yes he did, that's why Christians can eat pork etc.
Actually orthodox can can not eat pork because of the bible story were the pigs turn evil etc.
King David is my goat he defeated an entire army on his own by his faith. He could leap great distances and heights with faith God would empower him. He was known as a fighting king; a warrior
As an Orthodox Christian I was always taught that we are all born with the capability to sin and not that people are inherently sinful. Many blessings brothers!!
45:24 to answer Hamza, it was because they deemed themselves to be better than other, they were self indulged and they were concerned with appearing holy and good but didn't care for what was inside. They had a Holier than Thou attitude.
Yes Noah is no different from d other guys. But God is smart enough to know that he is most likely going to obey God than d others... Its not about who is d most sinful. Its about who is most likely going to obey... Noah fears God far more than d others
There needs to be a sacrifise for all of humanity's sins so all of humanity can have eternal life. In the Old Testament people sacrifised animals to pay for their sins. So what? They still kept sinning because of their fallen nature. It was only through Christ's sacrifise, who is both fully man and fully God, that we can have our entire debt paid so that we may have eternal life.
No sheep can have such power. Only the Son of God.
I'm a Christian and I believe in evolution, the guy making the video is also a evolutionist since we do not believe it messes with the Biblical narrative and there is too much evidence to support the scientifically agreed timeline to say that it was a literal 6 day creation without believing God is trying to trick us. Another point to support evolution in the biblical narrative is that Genesis talks about days for each part of creation but it says day 1 before day was created implying that it is a figurative day referring to a longer period of time which is further supported later in the Bible saying "a day to the Lord is like a thousand years" since he is beyond time. Thats not to say God didn't create the universe and he obviously made is specifically for life on Earth with how perfectly everything fits together for our planet. I also do not think God couldn't create the Earth in 6 days but it just doesn't seem as likely as the evolutionist story
Protestant here! Not all sins are the same. What you may have heard is that all sins are enough to separate us from God, which is true since He is perfect, but some sins are definitely worse than others in the scripture.
A covenant can only be broken through death.
Are you guys planning on going to an Eastern Orthodox Church? I’d love to see a Muslim interpretation of it.
Coming soon God willing 👍
6:50 - The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross wasn't the forgiveness of sin it was the punishment taken on our behalf, so that we can be justly forgiven. Here's how that works:
All sin, any sin, regardless of how small we may think it is, puts us in debt to God, the same way a criminal is in debt to society. For the criminal, the debt is paid in prison with time as the currency. For sinners, the debt is paid in Hell with the experience of God's wrath as the currency. Now, when we say "God forgives our sins", it's used in the same context that someone might forgive a debt. It doesn't mean the debt goes unpaid. It just means the one who forgives the debt takes the loss upon himself. If I lend you $100 and you come back and say "Look, Mal, I cannot afford to pay you back $100. I'm in a tight spot and that's a lot of money for me." I can say, "My friend, don't worry about it. Debt forgiven.". That means I'm taking the loss of $100 upon myself. I paid for whatever you spent that money on.
Now, back to our sin debt with God. We say to God "Look, I can't afford to spend eternity taking your wrath in Hell. That's terrible. I can't do it.". God says "My son, don't worry about it. Debt forgiven.". God took the loss by being born as a human, living a perfect, sinless life, and taking the punishment we deserve for our sin upon Himself. Now, just like you have the ability to say to me "No, man. That's not fair. I'm going to pay you back.", you have the ability to tell God "No, I don't want you paying for my sins. Let me pay for them myself.", and God will let you do that. He doesn't want to, but it is your decision.
9:50 - All sin is the same in that it demands God's wrath in Hell. But Jesus spoke of greater and lesser punishments in Hell. So, while a porn addict won't be punished as severely as a rapist, and someone who hates someone else won't be punished as severely as a murderer, they will still suffer the eternal wrath of God for their individual sins. Also, Noah was a drunkard.
11:00 - Abraham didn't say sister in faith, he said sister. In the Bible, there is no such thing as a white lie. In this scenario, Abraham sinned by lying. He should have either stayed silent or spoke the truth. And if he needed to protect her, then he should have done so honestly. Even if it meant losing his life in the process. The sin would then be only on the king.
17:00- Agreed. God is beyond our mortal understanding. All we have is His revelation to us. We don't have to understand Him to believe what He says. Jesus talked about Himself as being God, talked about the Father as being God, and speaks of the Holy Spirit as being God. Furthermore, Jesus draws a distinction between the 3, meaning they are not each other. Then Jesus repeats the Shema of Israel "Hear, O, Israel, the Lord your God is one.". So, from Jesus' own words, we have a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit, which are 3 individual entities, yet are 1 God. I don't have to understand it. I just believe what he says.
19:35 - Yeah, so God tells Joshua to lead the Israelites around the walls of Jericho in silence once per day for 6 days. On the 7th day, they were to blow trumpets. They obeyed this strange command from God, and the walls fell.
23:00 - Jesus answers this question beautifully. "There is no one good but God." Every prophet of God has been human. And humans are inherently evil. Some more than others, but evil nonetheless. The point is, God doesn't choose good people because there are none. God chooses evil, broken people, some of which choose to serve Him.
25:30 - Several times you've brought up that it makes no sense that prophets sin and once you've brought up that it makes no sense that divine communication is what makes someone a prophet. But isn't that a bit hypocritical? Muhammad had to repent between 70 and 100 times per day, according to Sahih al-Bukhari 6307 and Sahih Muslim 2702. That's 1 repentance every 14.4-20.5 minutes...every...single...day. By his own words.
The catholic church accepts its followers believing in evolution. As someone who studies chemistry, biology, and has always relied on scientific fact in my life (especially before I truly believed in god and practiced Christianity), I like to think that God simply created the quarks and other building blocks of matter/energy
Depending on the denomination some Christians believe that the Bible is saying the creation literally as stated and not a metaphor and some believe it’s a metaphor, and some believe it’s not a metaphor but the words are explained in a way way that it matches current scientific belief. Catholics and orthodox believe that modern science does not go against or disputes the Bible where as other sects believe that science is evil or against the Bible.
21:50 im sorry but didn’t muhammad take his adopted son’s wife?
The prophet Muhammad ﷺ did not “take” his adopted sons wife. They had a divorce and the prophet married her, nothing impermissible about that. There is no other historical record that indicates the prophet just forced them to divorce so he could marry. Doesn’t matter if you, we, or anyone thinks it’s weird, if it’s not a prohibition. Its not a prohibition.
That however does not address the slander of the prophets in the Old Testament such as Lots’ drunken incest with his own daughters
Solomons 700 wives and 300 concubines
David committing adultery and sending the husband of the woman to die in a battle
Moses becoming angry that his men did not kill all the women in a battle and ordered to take the young women for themselves.
If you believe in the Old Testament and believe that these men were messengers of God, thank you cannot by any means exclude the prophet Muhammad ﷺ on that comparison, nor can you really try to undermine his character based on that because you really cannot compare that to: drunken incest, having 1000 women, killing women etc.
-Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUSIn our Sanatan religion women have always been given a place as deity /GOD. In our Sanatan religion there is no process like conversion and divorce.
No divorce?
@@MuslimMindsUS Where does the word divorce come from? There is no such thing as divorce in our traditional religion. We only get married once, our marriage is compared to the marriage of seven births when only one is married. The word driver is an Arabic word and Euros comes from Europe and European countries of Judeo-Christian origin
@@MuslimMindsUS Where does the word divorce come from? There is no such thing as divorce in our traditional religion. We only get married once, our marriage is compared to the marriage of seven births when only one is married. The word driver is an Arabic word and Euros comes from Europe and European countries of Judeo-Christian origin
Angels are also able to sin and they did… 🙂 God forgives us but you can’t forget that the wage of sin is death that’s why the sacrifices, He forgives us without sacrifices but You will continue to die that’s why the sacrifice.. that’s why Jesus dying is meaningful because God can forgive us and the price of sin already has been paid. 🙂
42:34 we see throughout the Old Testament the concept of Trinity, not completely but some foreshadowing of it. Also, atonement is through sacrifice, I don't understand what makes you conclude that brother.
16:26 we still don't fully understand God because we have limited human minds compared to an infinite God. I don't see how people in the old testament not knowing about Jesus doesn't mean they aren't worshiping God because Jesus is God. It's not as if there's this God their not worshipping.
You guys are so confused about the prophets sinning(David, Solomon,etc.) bcs you do not have the same view on humanity, everyone is imperfect and sins, yet like i said you guys are confused because you see Muhammad as sinless, him being a human just like us (even tho if we dellete our bias out of our head and read the hadiths that you guys claim to have read we can see that Muhammad was indeed a sinner. We christians don't need the quran or hadiths to prove the imperfection of Muhammad, we just simply rely on common sense and the bible, that every human is a sinner, but that's just for you guys)
surah 4 verse 24
surah 4 verse 34
surah 65 verse 4 (this one is to destroy the "you can marry/have sex after you hit puberty")
sahih al bukhari 5134
sahih muslim 1404a-1405b (mutah aproved by Muhammad)
30:18 the reason jesus need to baptise by john (yayha) the baptist is explained in the bible. To fullfill the king priest melchizedek promise by Ibrahim. You must understand that the video is a summarized of 30k + verses. So you need to read. And the person who make the video also skip many prophets to shorten
I heard you guys say something pretty interesting about: how could Jesus have been born sinless and be God if he was born to Mary who was a normal person? Well the Catholic Church says that in order for that to have happened Mary would have had to be born without original sin and stayed a virgin her whole life. Those are called the Marian Dogmas and I’m pretty sure the Quran talks about that story of Mary’s birth to Joachim (Imran) and Anne.
✞We all need to repent and turn to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He Loved us enough to carry a 300-pound cross and have His hands and feet nailed to it. He loves us all far more than we can imagine. It is through Him and not by our works that we can live and love. God bless.✞❤
Concerning the Genesis account, the whole sequence is recorded to have been completed in six literal days (though some denominations would state otherwise, fyi). The thing to remember about God is that He is self-existent, meaning no beginning and no ending. That is what the Hebrew title “I AM” means, “the self-existent one.” So when Genesis starts with “In the beginning, God,” it fully implies God had been there to initiate that beginning. That verse goes on to say He “created the heavens and the earth,” as a summary of the whole creation account. In that one verse, we have several scientific constants introduced: Time (beginning), force (God created), space (heavens), and matter (earth). God is able to create these things because He is outside them, like the architect is not bound to the dimensional limitations of his blueprints.
There are many more examples. I would suggest looking up scientific facts in the Bible. Science does not prove the Bible. The Bible supports science.
30:30 thats not that, Jesus did not become God at that point or got to know about it, he just started doing ministry after that.
7:00 Oh, okay. Christianity is all about making restitution. There's a chapter in Exodus that talks about payments that must be made when a person kills another guy's animals. God forgives but there still must be justice.
Depending on the denomination some Christians believe that the Bible is saying the creation literally as stated and not a metaphor and some believe it’s a metaphor, and some believe it’s not a metaphor but the words are explained in a way way that it matches current scientific belief. Catholics and orthodox believe that modern science does not go against or disputes the Bible where as other sects believe that science is evil or against the Bible. Also God did not exact retribution from anyone because Jesus is God so he payed the price of the sin for us. He has to pay the price logically because he warned humans that if they sin they will be punished, and God of course does not lie, so to avoid breaking his word he did someone so mind boggling and impossible that he sent us his only son Jesus (who is also God, the same being that rules the universe and created the universe) so that he could complete the process of punishment.
35:10 This was prophesied
The reason why Christians believe the Phaerisis are bad is because they might have been following the law of god but their intention to do so was flawed - tainted by selfish motives.
Jesus pointed that out and tried to correct them.
They where not following the will of god for the sake of following the will of god alone but because they wanted to gain power and respect within their own community so they would be respected and could rule if the people.
Jesus understood that and criticized their sinful motives.
I have a question
Please don't take offense
Did Mohammed ever sin?
Also why do you believe that Jesus will return and rule?
One more question, why are there so many Muslim sects? Sunni, Shia, Moors, ect?
The prophet or any of the prophets according to Islam never intentionally sinned.
We believe Jesus will return because of authentic Hadith (saying of the prophet) and Quranic indications that he will return. (Probably because his message was hijacked and he was improperly worshipped, he will come to set things straight)
The prophets of their time have the authority of God to rule over their people. So Jesus being the ultimate figure at that time will be the most fit to rule.
There really aren’t that many sects in Islam. You mentioned 3 and they disagree in relatively minor matters. The book, belief in God, and prophethood are exactly the same. It’s not like Christianity for example where there are thousands of sects, different bibles per sect, and radically different beliefs such as Unitarianism and Trinitarianism.
-Rohaib
One of the biggest theological chasms in Christianity (one that even exists within denominations) is between those who take a literal view of the Scriptures, and those who have a metaphorical understanding of them that is enhanced by history, science, archaeology and critical inquiry. What is generally presented on television and also (for the most part) by the creator of this video is the literal view, however, what one would get if they studied at the top Christian seminaries or major western universities would be the other type. This can then result in very different ways of looking at the faith and the world.
17:00 it makes sense that we can't understand the makup of an infinite God
I need to make a correction on behalf of redeemed zoomer. The burning bush was actually an angel delivering the message to Moses from God
It most definitely was not an angel. It was for sure God. "I AM THAT I AM."
It was the Angel of the Lord (Jesus).
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Interesting reaction...but there were so many misconceptions, so I will focus on some.
🚩Creation (or Evolution):
There are true Christians (i.e. these are people that actually follow and practice the faith) who either believe in the Biblical narrative of "the creation order" as told in Genesis with some Christians who opt to follow the science evolutionary narrative of "creation".
Personally in my years before becoming a true believer I accepted the science narrative, but have since switched to the Genesis account of creation.
🚩Just like Genesis says God made man (a fully grown man from dust), so why would we dismiss that he could also make the universe fully-formed as Genesis states. Science speaks of the "billions" of years of the universe, and as one example uses light as a qualifier - i.e. how long it took light from stars to reach us on earth. This assumes God could not have done similar as he did when he created a adult male without the need for that male to have started as a baby. So Yes, God could have made light from stars visible to man at the moment he created them...this goes for everything else on earth to, like rocks etc. that evolution attempts to explain as billions of years.
🚩You claim from the Islam's perspective it is open to "evolution", I have never read anything in the Quran that directly stipulates that, and there is certainly no proof that your prophet believed that, except the reference to one of Allah's name's as the "evolver - Al-Baari". Here is the different with the Bible's teaching, it says God "sustains" his creation after creating it, so if this is what he does then this shows that he completed his creation before he could "sustain" it. Also God calls what he created "good" and "exceedingly good" at the end of each creation day. How could he use these words if they were "not completed" yet?
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🚩Adam & Eve were the same (Hamza questioned this)?
Sure they were, Eve is made from Adam, they both come from the same stuff of the earth (dust) - Genesis 2:21-22. But to prove they are the same God calls his creation Adam (which means "man" or mankind), yet God is clear he is referring to both Adam & Eve, both are called Adam since "Adam" is both the proper name of the first human and a designation for humankind (Genesis 5:2), so they are the same in the sight of God.
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🚩Sin entered the world through Adam & Eve, so human's do sin...but unlike Islam, angels to can sin (since God gives all his creation, "choice"). Scripture is clear angels had choice, Satan's choice was to challenge his creator and was cast out of heaven with those angels that supported him (whom we call demons).
Actually, Adam was not (easily) tricked, he was fully aware of his actions. God forewarned him of the consequence of disobeying him, so Adam & his wife clearly understood what they were doing when they disobeyed God...and this is the reason for their harsh punishment but they had forgiveness (even though they went against God despite knowing it was wrong). Satan and his demon's were given an even harsher punishment, certain death because they dwelt in God's presence and fully aware and knowledgeable of who he was.
🚩Also you misunderstand "original sin".
Original sin occurred when Adam and Eve were tempted and committed the first (original) sin. Christians believe all humans are descended from Adam and Eve, which means that they all have the ability to disobey God as Adam did (that is what we have inherited, that is what has been passed down, disobedience (i.e. the ability to sin)....unless you know someone that is pure & sinless that have continued to be this way from birth to death and not followed Adam & Eve's disobedience by following God perfectly?).
You used a really bad example for "forgiveness" i.e. someone erasing your PC....really...LOL. A better question to answer of forgiveness is, would you use this analogy to forgive someone in an adulterous affair if you are the victim (it was your spouse) or how would you forgive someone that kills someone you love?. Is there anything they can do as payment to receive your forgiveness?
🚩This simple analogy has been used many times before, so let's go with it:
Sin is a crime against God, and as a just and righteous God he can't allow a good deed to cover the bad deed (i.e. the good to out-weigh the bad as taught in Islam - e.g. if you are found guilty of a crime would a human judge accept it if you told him about the good deeds you did or will do?)..., this is exactly what God demands, justice...and no past or present good deeds will do.
🔷God can't be bribed with man's deeds (besides even atheist to good deeds, does this mean they can also be "saved" because of their good deeds if it out-weigh's their bad deeds?. If this is true, then no one needs religion, you just have to balance your own good versus bad deeds).
9:30 all sin is equal to God. That doesn't mean all sin is equal to us. I guess in your example the difference is that people sinned more commonly and with less repentance. I dont know the exact interpretation but it doesn't seem like there is no possible explanation like your making it out to be.
As a Christian I don't believe in a literal 6-day creation. To treat Genesis like a science or biology text is to misuse the text. I believe in theistic evolution, an approach that is accepted by the Catholic church as valid, among others. The opening verse in Genesis: In the beginning created the heavens and the earth . . . . and God said let there be light, and there was light. To me that is a wonderful intuition of the big bang theory. The writers of Genesis were divinely inspired to reveal that the whole creation was made by the one true God, the Great I Am in terms they could understand, (You might deduce from that last statement, I have a different view of scripture in terms of it accurately describing scientific things. However, in matters of faith, the Scripture is the true rule and guide for faith and practice. It reveals to us what is necessary for our salvation.
The constant sin, the constant failure to uphold God's tenets and covenants, etc is part of the big theological difference. The Jews mess up a LOT, but God keeps reminding them that if they just listen to him he'll see them through. Any time that the Israelites falter from the path of God, worship false gods, stray from the path of glory, they face their lowest times and are brought to ruin. It's only in times of faith in their God that the Israelites are given their due.
@17:12 Why is it a problem if all earthly analogies for the trinity fail in some respect? Surely, you believe that there is "nothing like God" -- Not clover (3 leaves), water (liquid, solid, gas), the sun (heat, light, star), or time (past, present, future). Hence, if there is no perfect analogy for the Trinity, it shouldn't surprise anyone. In fact, it is what you'd expect if the doctrine were not the product of human imagination derived from natural associations. These analogies are tools to help one think of the Trinity. They are not the thing they are analogous to.
Gods’ incomprehensibility is not an irrational contradiction.
The definition of the Trinity itself is a contradiction. Three separate but equal entities that are not each other but are all 100% the same being is a contradiction.
The other attributes of God are incomprehensible but not irrational, for example, we can’t fathom how he created the heavens and the earth but we live in that creation.
-Rohaib
That’s the whole problem, if you don’t like the word separate that’s fine we can leave it, but distinct brings us back to square one. It is explicit that Jesus is not the father and both are not each other nor are they the spirit. They have their own will and functions and are separated by physical space at times, such as when Jesus was on earth.
The fact that they are distinct while all being 100% the same being does not make sense because to be distinct is to be different in nature. That’s the whole point of the Trinity 3 in 1. 3 distinct beings that are not each other.
@@MuslimMindsUS NO! Two bars of soap are distinct and yet, they are by nature still soap.
Nature - what something is.
Person - who someone is.
If the person who is the father, relates as father to the second person who is the son, then that is enough a distinction to say that the father is not the son. And the son is not the father. This is an economic distinction. But it says nothing requiring that their natures to be different as you have claimed. Their nature could be humanity or divinity.
Consider the following in Sunni theology. Is the Quran distinct from Allah? If yes, then its nature must be different (from your claim). And if the Quran is uncreated (the Sunni position), then you 2 uncreated entities that are separate -- Allah and the Quran. But how can you have 2 uncreated realities that are of different natures?
At least, the Christians maintain that the three persons are of the same nature!
@@MuslimMindsUS I have addressed this line of argumentation from you before. It seems you're trying to invoke the so-called logical problem of the trinity but not really articulating it well enough. We (the entirety of the Western tradition at least) say there is a real distinction between the persons due to relative opposition between the persons as it relates to paternity and filiation for instance, but we otherwise say that the persons are identical to the divine essence. Any distinction between 'Father' and 'God' for instance is going to be a minor virtual distinction, in other words they are not really distinct from the divine essence but not the same notionally. Why exactly can there not be notional diversity within God? All you are saying is 'it doesn't make sense' and not explaining why.
"They have their own will and functions and are separated by physical space at times, such as when Jesus was on earth."
No actually, classical Trinitarian theology suggests that the three persons are of one will and intellection. Chalcedonian Christology would indeed say that Christ has two wills however, a human and divine will, but this wouldn't be a contradiction either because it is predicated according to the two natures. An analogy to this would be in the way that I can say that I, as a human being, am both material and immaterial, the former according to my body and the latter according to my soul, so to is Christ both immutable and mutable etc.
I’m not just stopping at “it doesn’t make sense”. I have explained how the Trinity does not fit with any analogy because the Trinity itself is contradictory and cannot be rationally reconciled.
If one were to say the three don’t have different wills, is to ignore the three distinctions in the Trinity. That is why they are called distinct, they have different wills. The proof of this is in what you mentioned. That Jesus has two wills. This same element does not apply to the spirit nor the father, because neither the spirit nor the father are Jesus, and they did not become flesh incarnate. So to say they are of one will, but one has a will that cannot apply to the other, means they no longer share one will.
Other evidences that undermine the idea of the Trinity is the clear difference in level between Jesus in the father.
Jesus denying knowledge of the hour
Jesus states: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. -clearly showing a difference in will. “I seek it mine own will, but the will of my father” that shows a distinction in the will of the father and Jesus.
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. -another distinction in will
-Rohaib
I guess the ultimate goal of the dramatic ending of Jesus was to spread christianity and make it known worldwide, through it the world would be granted salvation, through Jesus you can obtain forgiveness of your sins
The word of God is alive The mind of God is alive and the spirit of God is alive
I would say even if you guys aren't Christian I would recommend reading the bible to have a better understanding, if not thats fine too. I love you guys.
7:44 I’m not entirely educated on the topic but I believe that god is willing to forgive us without sacrifice, but the people before Jesus didn’t seek it, and they chose to live in sin. God sent Jesus down to pay a price for our sin so even if we don’t want his forgiveness a price has been paid for us. That is how much he loves us. Now that isn’t a free ticket into heaven, you can’t just say Jesus is God and be smooth sailing, because that isn’t faith. If you truly have faith you will do the world of the Lord as well.
3:00 In Islaam = in the Qur’aan, Allaah (< Al-Ilaah) is Al-Ḵaaliq = the Creator of all, Aadam is the CORE of the symbolism of all of His creation and evolution, in other words, Allaah’s creation and evolution are two aspects of the same!
11:00 in the Qur’aan, Ibraahiim has only one wife, and at their old age Allaah gave them glad tidings of their only two sons: Ismaaᶜiil and Isḥaaq (including Yaᶜquub also known as Israa’iil through Isḥaaq)!
I struggled with this point for a long time with forgiveness as well it's all tied into how you view Jesus Jesus is the physical example of how God intended man to live knowing we could not live without sin he created a physical representation of himself that we could see touch and interact with to take the penalty we deserved because no one is perfect and everyone has sinned no one could get to heaven because God said the punishment for sin is death if he changed that God would be unreliable and a liar death had to occur by his own order how forgiveness works in this case is the one he put to death was the physical representation of himself essentially God killed God so we were spared what was due that's what they mean by forgiveness
Story of Enoch not Cannon in Bible just a heads up
Yes the idea of the Trinity can be confusing. When the 10 commandments were given to Moses the prophecy of Jesus had yet been revealed to the first Israelites who were the first Jews, hence why later on in Leviticus they received the 613 laws to which many of the Jews still follow to this day. The purpose of them was to separate them from the other people in the world. The prophecy of Christ I believe is first clearly spoken through Isaiah which speaks about how Christ will be born, what he will do and how it will die and so on. When Christ is born the Son portion of the trinity is revealed. Through Christ a new convent is created therefore removing the need for the Levitical law. Then after Jesus is crucified, resurrected, and ascends into heaven there is no direct connection to by which the people can communicate with God so he sends the Holy Spirt on the Day of Pentecost therefore revealing the third element of the Trinity. The Holy Spirt is basically how God works and communicates through those who believe in him under the new covenant through Jesus.
What Muslim don’t understand is that I idol is not an object an idol is everything that separates you to god. Saints thats catholic for example asked to pray for are not idols because the don’t seperate us to god but they are examples of people that leave everything to follow god they are considered as example and the actually link us to god not separate us to him.
Jesus was always God but it wasn’t declared yet until he did so after the baptism
I don’t think you understand what forgiveness is.
Mankind rebelled against God and due to that their punishment would be hell. Instead Jesus (who is God) forgives us and dies on the cross taking the punishment of our sins by going to hell for us, as long as we repent of our sins and trust in him. When Jesus was dying on the cross he said forgive them father.
God paid our fine like someone would pay a parking ticket. Now that the sins have been paid for all we need to do is ask for forgiveness and repent (no punishment)
Actually with the self-sacrifice of Jesus we believe the inherented sin of Adam (the original sin) was forgiven.
bro chimps have thoughts they plan hunts and practice and learn new hunting strategies. Also Elephants, Apes, Monkeys, Whales and Dolphins all have "self awareness" which is thought and they learn "monkeys learn to steal when humans arent looking"
#MuslimMinds, In the beginning God created many realms and the earth. The earth was a lone creation in the known universe. It was empty and uneven. Around it there was only ocean of darkness. Then God said, Let there be light. And the universe, space and time were created. God separated stars into many and called the darkness night. Then God put a firmament over earth and separated the water into clouds and under earth.
The talmud comment about Jesus is not representative of Judaisms view of what happened to Jesus, but one Rabbis view.
32:54 thats not true brother, InspiringPhilosophy has a video on it, none of those myths are true and are made up.
1. Remember in Islam Jesus is also born from a Virgin Birth.
2. Jesus wasnt called Emmanuel because in the prophecy Emmanuel means God is with us OR God will save us. To understand that, the meaning of the name prophecy salvation of God and Jesus name is literally Salvation. Prophecy arent clear cut. If it is, then it should be false.
That intro is literally what the vid's talking about
All sin are same in the fact that all sin separate you from god
Its not same if i kill someone or steal
The consequences of killing is more from stealing
Sin is about the state of heart and what you desire and long for. We live in a world full of earthly temptations and desires and nobody is above them. Every person is tempted by wealth lust greed gluttony etc and even pride. When we elevate these things above God or act as David and Solomon did and follow these desires of lust we take our eyes off off God. Its about heart and Spirit and relationship. Whether you know God or not its very easy to do. You muslims are supposed to pray 5 times a day just to remember Allah because your hearts and minds are often on other things. Its human! Since God is a holy God and he created us for relationship he can't stand sin of any sort but he is Gracious. He knows our humanity because he created us. I find no hope in Islam because there is no grace or certainty in Islam but Jesus provides both. Show me a man without sin. Your own prophet was riddled with it yet another reason I believe Islam to be false. Show me a sinless Muslim maybe they arent adulterers, idolators, murderers but the bible says all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God it's why as Christians we believe we need sacrifice and atonement because we can't make it alone. You ask about the pharisees they were legalistic they made up codes hadiths based on the law they understood the law in a materialistic sense rather than a spiritual one they misunderstood the purpose and the spirit of the law, which should have been about purity of heart and the right way to worship God. Jesus called for repentance and change of heart freedom but the pharisees sought to impose burdens rules about how to follow the law legalism!
#MuslimMinds, when a jew commits a sin and breaks one of the commandments, he confesses his sin before God in the temple and offers a sin offering. God forgives him. The faithful is bound to be obedient to the commandments of the LORD, so that he may receive salvation. When a Christian commits a sin and breaks one of the commandments, he confesses his sin before the LORD, and prays the act of contrition as the vow to be obedient to the commandments of the LORD. The LORD forgives him.
I mean I don’t believe in any religion, but you saying that X is irrational to believe, like the trinity that most Christians believe in vs your “one” god is a joke of an argument.
Neither is a rational conclusion.
It’s not rational to believe in one god or multiple gods or one got that for w/e reason wants to separate himself into 3 entities.
This is the issue with all religions, you all just assume that your version is more logical or makes more sense but it doesn’t. You only believe it bc you were indoctrinated into believing it.
The other argument is nobody argues that there’s more than 2 genders bc say there’s multiple sexes or sexual orientation. Gender is biological, if you are a guy and you have sex with a guy you’re still a man but your gay or bi…
Not hard to understand, don’t know why religion people are so ignorant
We are saying it’s irrational because the definition of the triune God is clearly contradictory.
Three distinct entities that are not each other but are 100% the same being. If they are all the same being and 100% of that being, then they would be each other.
That doesn’t make sense compared to One God because there is no contradiction.
-Rohaib
Talk about being ignorant. I didn’t believe until i was 27. You only believe what you want to believe. You don’t want to believe in God because that will make you accountable for every wrong thing you’ve ever done and you won’t be able to go on living the life you live.
And saying that belief in God is irrational is very ignorant as well. But really nothing in your world view is rational at all. Nothing matters in your world view, especially being rational.