Is Islam Judaism? Mind Blowing Interview With Professor Reuven Firestone
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- Is Islam Judaism? Mind Blowing Interview With Professor Reuven Firestone
Our quest in this episode is to spell out what Islam is and how it may have developed in the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century. I found this to be my favorite episode so far in recording scholarship on Islam.
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-----Muhammad is a divin title, which points to.....the jewish Messiah. The Quran was the Arabic Gospel, then corrupted by the islamic Califes of contradictory doctrines so as to deceive the followers.
What's your say on How Islam Saved Western Civilization? ua-cam.com/video/C8M4i9fvq1M/v-deo.html
Adnan Rachid(history of islam)
Islam is the truth. Read the Qur'an
I wonder if you question your own a priori assumptions? What I have noticed about secular critics of religion is that they tend to have a set of unprovable assumptions that they hold with as much, if not more, vehemence than religious people. I think we all need to question our own a priori assumptions and unprovable commitments.
My humble request to Derek invite Ali Ataie or Adnan Rashid to discuss about Islam.
He won't do it.
He wont invite any mainstream orthodox muslim scholars, his zionist funder wouldn't want that
yes! after platforming Robert Spencer, he definitely needs to course correct for what is considered scholarship regarding Islam.
@@futurecrunk what is considered scholarship in Islam? He has brought on Marijn van Putten, Hythem Sidky, Robert Hoyland, Sean Anthony, Stephen Shoemaker etc.
@@inquisitivemind007 he has indeed had some great interviews by respectable academics as it regards Islam. Including Spencer in that group just seems to be a case of not thoroughly vetting a guest, OR an attempt to capitalize on Spencer's obvious reputation as an islamophobe.
I am an American Muslim and I appreciate this very much.
The Rabbi and your content and context of Islam comparable to other abrahamic religions.
I found peace and solice in Islam.
It changed me into a very calm and content person with having the least but feel full and complete.
May every one find their way to the Almighty with love and peace.
Islam is truly misrepresented in the west.
It’s lost treasure if you willing to find it.
Salaam
Dari Malaysia sentiasa mendoakan Umat Islam di sana bertambah maju Dan dapat menyelesaikan masalah pemikiran yang jahat terhadap Muslim people.
"Islam is truly misrepresented in the west. " Yes, the media are biased in its favor.
P
What do you recommend for an American like myself to start learning more about Islam. I have only read the Quran once, that’s the extent of my knowledge pretty much.
@@1984isnotamanualstudy Arabic and then read the Quran and ask God for knowledge. Other books will only imprison your mind by man made cuffs. Trust that God suffices and ask only Him for knowledge and wisdom.
I am Muslim and I appreciate this wonderful discussion also wonderful topic.thank you both. Here’s what I think about religion. It’s God’s love and care to make our life at ease. To protect us from us.
The vibes, the amount of knowledge he shared, the choice of words, and everything are remarkable. It's like i just attended 3 different classes with multiple professors simultaniously. What a man Dr. Reuven Firestone is. Thank you for doing this interview. May you live a long life so many more people can learn from you. I hope one day i can meet you and have a bit of a chit chat regarding these things
The best decision in my life was when I realized that Allah blessed me with Islam
Love your work and Prof. Reuven Firestone is very knowledgeable person. Huge respect for him as a Muslim.
I’m born and raised as a muslim and in 50s. First time ever heard to a rabbi who is humble, wise, knowledgeable, balanced and truthful. It was a fantastic interview and i want more from him, pls bring him again.
For the host all i could do was subscribe the channel and i did. 😊
*The Clear Answer*
I S A Resounding NO
*Islam is NOT Judaism or* *Christianity*
Islam is Islam (Complete)
Judaism is Judaism (Apocalyptically incomplete still waiting for A Messiah who is unknown)
Christianity is, well, Jesus Christ! they're still
figuring it out, give them time
Really this men say Islam is haram u sure ur Muslims ☪️
IN ISLAAM THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS ARE KNOWN AS THE LEARNED PEOPLE
I totally understand what you are saying at the same time he is not being honest about it. He may have learn a lot because he has lots of literature. He knows Arabic and lived in Egypt and studied there. His Jewish Ego is not letting him overcome the truth and accept Isa Alaih Salaam and Muhammad Sallaho Alaih Wa Sallum. He is having difficulty. He knows the truth about Islam but in denial. Hope he understands one day
you are right. Go through the comments section and read my comments I had made at different points with time stamps in this video. @@jaweedali7123
Ex Christian and Muslim Alhamdulillah from UK ☪️☝️
Read Dr Kashif khan's ( Quran researcher ) articles on the internet about the Islam which the Quran brought, the REAL Islam. Read with an open mind. The Islam which you see being practiced is NOT Islam . God strongly condemns hadiths ( fabrications ) and sectarianism in the Quran, it's written in the Quran.
Ma Sha Allah brother, Proud of you.
اللًهم ثبات لك على الإسلام دين الله الحقّ بطول عمرك ... آمين
Alhumdulilah 🤲🏻. watch out for Saud Royal theft and murdering family.. its made by the UK 😢 unfortunately.
So happy for you
This was a balanced discussion, this is the first time I have heard a Rabbi speaking without prejudice about Islam, Judaism. Excellent interview.
Great interview. I would like to add something that the Professor surprisingly maybe forgot to add as he has extensive knowledge, but its actually critical. It is that yes Jihad does mean struggle and he did mention its other forms such as striving for the sake of the community, but the most important Jihad for Muslims is the struggle against oneself. The struggle against your desires, destructive thoughts and habits, your 'inner demons' and so on. The struggle against taking the easy road, the struggle to be disciplined. That is the real Jihad.
Im glad u mentioned that.
Yep. It’s the same as ‘FIGHT ALL DISBELIEVERS!’(Q. 9:5) and then you add up ‘with love’. It’s all the same Kitman.
@@Mr_Moktoosai you will be fine
You forgot to mention the verse preceding it & the one right after it, so here you go:
As for the polytheists who have honoured every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honour your treaty with them until the end of its term. Surely Allah loves those who are mindful ˹of Him˺. 9:4
And if anyone from the polytheists asks for your protection ˹O Prophet˺, grant it to them so they may hear the Word of Allah, then escort them to a place of safety, for they are a people who have no knowledge. 9:6
There's a subsequent interview in which he makes that clear.
I am ex Christian, this interview make me proud about my new religious life❤all prophets come with same massege one ness of god. ❤❤
You are lost. SMH
Stories of the prophets.
ua-cam.com/play/PLC466F1D802E87A7E.html
There is Nothing call One God (in being) any religion. .. More study you need ...
🌞🌞💐 Salam ☺️
How do you know there is one God give me prove? All the messengers who came just claimed and no one saw then talking to God. Give me prove of one God?
"The Road to Mekah" by M. Asad is worth reading for Westerners to understand Islam through the eyes of an Austrian Jew who converted to Islam.
Muhammad is a divin title, which points to.....the jewish Messiah. The Quran was the Arabic Gospel, then corrupted by the islamic Califes of contradictory doctrines so as to deceive the followers.
@Vegan Higler Get Lost! Allah created the cattle for humanity to consume..
@Vegan Higler excuse me but Allah created this entire existence and he says what we can and can't do and he said in his revelation that He created the cattle for us to consume.
@Vegan Higler Look at Islam and compare it to all the religions of the earth! There is no religion on this planet that can match Islam! Nothing comes close. The only religion on earth that has one perfect holy book in its original form and language Is Islam.
@Vegan Higler Yeah. LOOK at Islam. It is growing and spreading all over the world. Nothing can stop it because it is Allah's True Religion!!!
I want to really thank you both for this fantastic episode. I as a Muslim have enjoyed it very much. For the first time in my life I listened to a reasonable way of thinking about the 3 monotheistic religions. You’re doing a great job, keep it up 🎉
Go through the comments section and read my comments I had made at different points with time stamps in this video.
❤ 3 monotheistic and abrahamic religions. We better link up. . Circle the wagons. Figure out who we can trust and who we need to exclude. Through the grace and mercy of the most high . we are capable of discernment.
The Jews never accepted Muhammed as a Prophet.
Please educate yourself.
Read the Quran and ask the scholar so you will understand. Peace
@@fatmaanwar8919 what are you talking about!? And what gives the right to talk like that!? You start by telling me to go “educate myself” and then end up your comment by “peace”?
You’re either very dumb or I am too smart to understand your comment..
I never mentioned Jews anywhere in my comment, and I read the coran better than you do.
They always claim Islam is radical but you know who always claims the word is Jewish and Christian to Islam.
The Rabi is dignified and so polite . I pray that he continues his good work and takes the leap and embraces Islam.
Same prayer for the host .
Ameen
I m traditional muslim and i really enjoyed this interview.
We can agree to disagree but it doesnt mean we cannot live peacefully.
Peace🤍
@Mike JJJ If you openly come to public and insult our religion then yes,people react violently.Otherwise our houses are always opens for strangers.You will find us very hospitable.
And i dont support that our people react violently to insults.Islam doesnt give right to any muslim to take law into their hands.In Islamic Shariah,we have Courts where people can add their complains against the individuals.But unfortunately there is no Islamic country where we have Islamic sharia.Thats why we have problems.
But one thing i can tell you that there are so many debates happening in our Masjids and Churches in Pakistan between Xtains and muslims but in the end we hug eachother and walk our ways.We are open to debates but not insults.
@@muslimboyilyas775 if you're suggesting dialogue should be allowed as long as it isn't insulting, there's an issue with that.
What one man considers reasonable others may consider insulting.
It's much better to lay a secular societal foundation, where all sorts of criticism and even insult can be applied. And that's what radical Muslims that live in western countries fail to comprehend.
Free speech is the law of the land, and offending religious sensibilities isn't a crime, nor reason nor justification to take retribution for umbridge.
@Mike JJJ No one likes to live under anyone’s law.Christians dont like it but if you give them a choice to accept secular law or Islamic Law,i know majority who are aware of the true teachings of Islam,they will accept to live under Islamic Law.But those who are brainwashed,they will accept Secularism where anyone can walk with a baner Jesus is a gay and nothing will happen to him.lol
Listen to what Rabbi Reuven Firestone says about Islamic world ua-cam.com/video/zATTEvrClv4/v-deo.html
@Mike JJJ We want Islamic Shariah Laws in our Majority Muslim countries and not Europe.So no need to bring western countries into it.
Like America hasn't weaponized Christianity as a political tool in America, and around the world lmao Evangelical Christianity is a threat to domestic and global democracy. I mean, Evangelicals make up alot of the crazies on Jan 6th and that are now mobilizing against a branch of American gov that are riled by nationalistic and religious feelings for example against the fbi...Literal terrorism happening in America right now.
Muhammad (SAW) was his name . His grandfather named him this . And it means ‘ The Praised One ‘ , which is exactly what happens every minute of every day .
All religions are man-made. Mohammad, a violent con man, stole from Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Judaism.
yeah.. How can it be the beloved one? Does hamd mean love? I have only heard praise+thanks
Hamd means praised
Like Alhamdulillah - all praise is due to Allah
Muhammad is Mesianik title for Jesus Christ
-----Muhammad is a divin title, which points to.....the jewish Messiah. The Quran was the Arabic Gospel, then corrupted by the islamic Califes of contradictory doctrines so as to deceive the followers.
I enjoyed the discussion with the Rabbai. I respect both of you guys, and I am sure only with people like you we can change the world to a better place. God bless both of you. ❤❤
Wow! This has to be the most amazing conversation I’ve ever listened to about religion. There’s nothing as intellectually and emotionally satisfying as listening to an expert in a field, discussing difficult and controversial subjects.
Great podcast! May you please invite a Muslim scholar, Mufti, or Preacher, any Muslim religious leader to speak about Islam next please.
What a wise and humble man Reuven is.
He must be. He is a man of faith.
Iam a muslim we have our differences in beliefs but it doesn't stop us from living a peaceful life together in this world
If you ignore the teaching of islam then yes that would be a possible thing.
That was when muslim be minority
I live in Egypt which is 92% Muslim you will find no discrimination against Christians actually one of my best friends is Christian his name is adel
@@alghazi4243 dude, eqypt had long list of discrimination abt christians.
@@redeunuch2989 Jews THRIVED under the muslims in spain, then the Muslims saved the Jews from the Catholics in Spain and gave them a home in north africa.
As a Muslim I love the respectful conversation.
Dr. Firestone kicks gigantic ass. Please have him back as many times as possible.
My dear late Sheikh Ahmed Dedat said, over 50 years ago:
"Islam is Judaism made universal".
@@uncertaintyeclipses5936 your reply doesn't make sense!
@@isiVideobecause Islam was copied from Judaism... duhhh
Please don't mention that guy ahmed deedat he as such a rude egoistic person and the way he belitteled christian faith was so hateful
and i'm saying that as a muslim
@theguyver4934 if you had listened carefully to him, you would not have referred to him as a "guy"! ...and if you're Muslim, you should not refer to yourself as a "guy" either.
@@JupiterMoon7 really? Duh? Your ignorance is showing.
Really hope you get Professor Reuven Firestone back and definitely picking up a couple of books from him.
I dropped to sleep after a Night Shift, listening to this. Usually, I would listen to my favourite science, space, earth videos, to do go to sleep, as discussions mostly annoy me, with either one or the other side, or both, being ignorant to history & facts. What a refreshing outlook on humanity, listening to two down to earth human beings, who have taken their blinkers off and try to tell people, how things really were, are, and maybe can be, if peoples start finding their similarities. This was so relaxing for my battered mind these days, that I actually could go to sleep. Nevertheless, I will do the whole session tomorrow.
How strange to read your comment. I often look for documentaries, and I was doing just that when I came across this video before reading your comment. Just what I needed to read before settling on this as my pre sleep video. Thanks!
I have thoroughly enjoyed this interview and certainly been enlightened. Please create more awesome content like this 😃
Dhul-Qarnayn is not Alexander. Quran never said that, and it’s clearly the wrong interpretation as Quran clarifies the person was a believer, whereas Alexander was a pagan.
It was the vast majority of Islamic scholars over the centuries who identified Dhul-Qarnayn as Alexander the Great.
Were they ALL wrong?
AND: if they were wrong on this point, on which other points were they also wrong
@@ramzan6949
Cyrus the Great is considered a righteous ruler in Judaism because he freed them from Babylonian captivity, respected the Jewish religion, and allowed the Jews to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem.
But he was NOT a worshiper of the God of Abraham/Isaac/Jacob.
He was a Zororastian
@@deppo_zweifler9029 Name these scholars
@@deppo_zweifler9029 Dhul Qarnayn fought and sealed yajooj and the majoj (gog and magog) pretty sure Alexander the great never did that...
Muhamad never knew Alexander was a pagan
As a Muslim, I can't help but notice the striking similarity between the Ravi's appearance and orthodox Muslims. The beard and his shirt.
You literally stole my words..he looks Muslim if not given an introduction
Even like a Sunni Muslim he cleans his upper lip.
@@uncertaintyeclipses5936
No , you are the one who didn’t understand or listen what this wise man said. Go to sleep that is not your subject to say something stupid.
@@uncertaintyeclipses5936meanwhile Ismael(peace be upon him)was the first son the father of Arab nations...and ishak(peace be upon him) was the younger one....😮😮.....ummm.....
@@uncertaintyeclipses5936 that's your biased pagan leaders said ...😂😂😂......how moronic they are
As a Muslim today I learnt a lot from this Jew ..... Thanks mythvision.
Thank you both. It was lovely listening to you both. Keep up the good work. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Enjoy the convo derek..
Especially the professor was so genuine and unbias..
Loved it!
Great content!
Islam is the restoration of Abraham's original monotheistic faith.
"Mil'la tah Abikumm Ibrahim."
I never spent 1-hour listening to UA-cam except for this podcast. Thank you both for this great civilized discussion. Greeting from Arabia
I'm a Bangladeshi Hindu. Respect
As a Muslim, this was quite a fascinated interview to listen to. The Rabi is truly knowledgeable and would love to read more of his work. I feel he portrays aspects of Islam which normal people do not know much about and probably even does a better job at it than some Islamic academic scholars.
You are absolutely wrong and naive.
Thus Rabi is lier
It's not about being a liar my friend. It's about an outsider perspective from a scholarly point of view. You need to put aside your emotions and listen to it at an unbiased level. Not everyone is capable of doing that.
Bro plenty things he is saying is wrong either he is ignorant or he is laying but he is not telling the truth about Islam, learn about your religion before you say such things
He puts many assumptions about the origion of quran, Here is a little insight why Quran is revelation from God
ua-cam.com/video/aINML5H7M_Q/v-deo.html
What the hell
Xenophobia and tribalism are definitely huge obstacles when it comes to this human experience, especially the more interconnected we become
Correct. Just consider that the host has invited a Jewish Rabbi to discuss Islam, but we all know that he will never a Muslim scholar to explain Judaism or Christianity.
@@QabilAGhor no he called him to compare islam with judaism not to talk about islam only.
@@whydontyoustfudid he ever have a Muslim scholar to talk about Islam?
Thank you for your program! As a Muslim, like other commentators, appreciate this segment and your overall program regarding acceptance and respecting other people's beliefs.
As a Muslim I never heard any Jew scholar but man this guy is awesome and his knowledge and grip on Islam is highly impressive ❤
Great guest Derek!!! This is an excellent episode. Clear, concise, well moderated episode with great information. This is as good as a theological conversation gets! Very impressed. Thank you for continuing to produce these great shows.
Chad
then why do youpray 5 times a day if Hadith are hearsay? They taught you how to pray and they taught you that Aisha was 6 years old. Stop the cap. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. And the vast majority of Muslims considers hadith as the truth.
Superb ep! Love this topic too so a solid discussion. Have/do more of this content please.
I enjoyed your program very much. I hope someday people stop being ignorant and prejudice. We all need to read different scriptures and learn from one another instead of listening to politicians who are trying to divide us. Peace on earth.
Good interview. It’s great that you got Jewish perspective on Islam, it will be great to have a Muslim scholar answer same or similar about Islam and as well as Judaism and Christianity.
As a Muslim I very much enjoyed this discussion. The rabbi was quite knowledgeable and has a good demeanor.
As Muslim this video triggered many thoughts 💭
Derek, I really enjoyed this podcast. It's timing is very relevant. We need to dialogue and bridgebuild more and fight and hate less.
I'm a Quaker, and as such, have a sincere interest and respect for all religions and even how they interconnect. I started out watching with a video Reading the Qur’an as a Quaker from QuakerSpeak (I think).
Anyway, thank you for your work and your contect.
👏Very honest and true discussion. May many such things happen again and again, it helps to contain each other, hug each other.
I came across this on my you tube feed, as a practicing muslim I was going to give it a wide berth as I thought a couple of white dudes spitting out the usual anti muslim / orientalist / ex muslim venom, but Im so glad I did not. Derek I was taken aback by your honesty, integrity and your genuine desire to understand and build bridges, and your guest the Rabbi was highly informed and for the most part pretty accurate on how a muslim would view their faith, a sincere seeker of truth. From my own perspective Islam never claimed to be a brand new religion coming out of the Arabian desert born in a vacuum. It is a continuation of the same message given to and preached by Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus ( peace and blessings be upon them all ) as well as the prophets of old Israel. Mohammeds ( peace be upon him ) mission was to bring people back to the strict monotheisim of God as was preached and practiced by the previous prophets. I believe Islam is much closer to Judaism in terms of theology and practice than to Christianity, whilst differing from Judaism in its universal appeal as opposed to being the religion of just the chosen people, as well as a huge emphasis in the Koran on the life hereafter once we have died. With this life being a test as to who amongst us is going to strive and struggle ( this struggle is called a Jihad ) to be close to God to obey Him, to worship Him, to yearn to return back to Him, but most of all to have Him in our hearts and minds, in a nutshell thats what Muhammed ( PBUH ) came to teach us, we still have those teachings with us in the Koran. Derek you should if you and your listeners want a mainstream and modern perspective on Islam and how it sits with the other 2 Abrahamic religions invite or listen to Dr Ally Shabir, or Professor Ali Ataie, or Shaykh Hamza Yusuf. To all my fellow seekers of Truth and God, may He guide us to that Truth wherever it may lie and may He forgive us our shortcomings for they are immense, Salaam - peace
Matthew 7:15 - 7:20
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. *Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.*
You believe in the false prophet Muhammad which:
1. falsely claimed that the Jews worshipped Ezra the Scribe as the Son of Allah until the end days.(Quran 9:30, Sahih Muslim 1.352)
2. falsely described Christians as believing in a Trinity made up of the Father, Jesus, and Mary. (Quran 5:116)
3. falsely claimed that the Gospel and Torah promised that killing and being killed in the name of Allah will lead them to paradise. (Quran 9:111)
A false prophet Muhammad which command evil deeds against disbelievers of his false message.
Koran 2:191 "slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
Koran 5:51 "Muslims must not take the infidels as friends"
Koran 5:33 "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
Koran 8:12 "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran"
Koran 8:60 " Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels"
Koran 8:65 "The unbelievers are stupid, urge all Muslims to fight them"
Koran 9:5 "When the opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you find them"
Koran 9:123 "Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood"
Koran 22:19 "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water, melt their skin and bellies"
Koran 47:4 "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels, behead them when you catch them".
A false prophet who promote a false paradise full of sins and corruption. Blaspheming the true God who hate Sins and Corruptions. Who, love Truth and Righteousness.
- Muslims will gain virgins having large swelling breasts in paradise. (Quran 78:31-35)
- Large-eyed virgins are waiting for Muslims in paradise (Quran 44:51-59)
- Women’s virginity will be automatically restored after each encounter in paradise (Quran 56:35-36)
- 72 virgins in paradise (Hadith 2562)
- Men can take pleasure at a free sex market of men and women in paradise (Al-Hadis Volume 4:34)
The false prophet Muhammad is in reality the servant of Satan which encourages his followers to commit Sins.
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.
Sahih Muslim 2749 Book 50, Hadith 1
@@tobyc8668 who cares what the bible says why are u quoting it as though we care ??? your news testament is full of lies and contradictions and lies of Paul
@@Saliou0
Jesus said His words would be passed on to His disciples. One can believe that God’s words can be found in the New Testament because they are written or by the Disciples and their companion scribe as guided by the holy spirit.
John 14:26: “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 16:13: “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
Peter called Paul’s writings the scriptures.
2 Peter 3:15-16: “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
Early witness to the accuracy of the New Testament text comes from the prolific writings (of hundreds of thousands of quotations of Scripture) of the ante-Nicene fathers of the church. For example, seven letters have survived that were written by Ignatius (AD 70-110), and nearly every book of the Bible (except 2 John and Jude) was quoted by AD 110 by only three individuals-Ignatius, Clement of Rome, and Polycarp. In those seven letters, Ignatius quoted from 18 different books of the New Testament. Every time he cited Scripture we can observe the Greek text he was using. Consequently, the early fathers provide us with an excellent early witness to the text. For this reason, their prolific writings remain an important testimony to the New Testament.
Abundant evidence from the ante-Nicene period also confirms the early church’s belief in the deity of Jesus Christ. Around 106 AD, the Roman governor Pliny the Younger wrote a letter in which he explained that the Christians in his region sang hymns “to Christ as to a god.” That commitment to the deity of Christ is affirmed repeatedly throughout ante-Nicene literature:
Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50-117): “For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.”
Polycarp of Smyrna (69-155): “Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth . . ., and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead.
Epistle of Barnabas (c. 70-130): “If the Lord submitted to suffer for our souls, even though he is Lord of the whole world, to whom God said at the foundation of the world, ‘Let us make humankind according to our image and likeness,’ how is it, then, that he submitted to suffer at the hands of humans?
Justin Martyr (100-165): :And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.”
Tatian (110-172): “We do not act as fools, O Greeks, nor utter idle tales when we announce that God was born in the form of man.”
There are many more before 325 AD that I can quote from.
Ancient chinese records during the event of the birth of Christ, his crucifixion & resurrection.
1. Christ's Birth
Astronomy Records of the book of the Han Dynasty "天文志" of "汉书"
156、天文志:二年二月，彗星出牵牛七十馀日。传曰：“彗所以除旧布新也。牵牛，日、月、五星所从起，历数之元，三正之始。彗而出之，改更之象也。其出久者，为其事大也。”其六月甲子，夏贺良等建言当改元易号，增漏刻。诏书改建平二年为太初元将元年，号曰陈圣刘太平皇帝，刻漏以百二十为度。八月丁巳，悉复蠲除之，贺良及党与皆伏诛流放。其后卒有王莽篡国之祸。
“In the second month of the second year, the comet was out of Altair for more than 70 days…It is said, ‘Comets appear to signify the old being replaced by the new.’ Altair, the sun, the moon and the five stars are in movement to signify the beginning of a new epoch; The beginning of a new year, a new month and a new day…The appearance of this comet undoubtedly symbolizes change. The extended appearance of this comet indicates that this is of great importance.”
Matthew 2:9-11
9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
Comet appears for 70 days, undoubtly symbolizes changes. The extended appearance of this comet indicates that this is of great importance. (approx 9th march to late may 5th BC)
2. Jesus's Crucifixion
History of the Latter Han Dynasty Volume 1 Chronicles of Emperor Guang Wu 7th year "五行六" of "后汉书"
癸亥晦，日有食之，避正殿，寑兵，不听事五日。诏曰：“吾德薄致灾，谪见日月，战栗恐惧，夫何言哉！今方念愆，庶消厥咎。其令有司各修职任，奉遵法度，惠兹元元。百僚各上封事，无有所讳。其上书者，不得言圣
This paragraph originated from 後漢書 (Houchan shu) After the Han Dynasty, and it reads like this:
"In the day of Gui Hai, the last day of the month, there was a solar eclipse(the emperor) avoided the throne room, suspended all military activities and did not handle official business for five days. And he proclaimed,‘ My poor character has caused this calamity, that the sun and the moon were veiled. I am fearful and trembling. What can I say?’...Anyone who presents a memorial is not allowed to mention the word ‘holy’."
Historians claim that the time frame of such an eclipse phenomenon that happened in the Han Dynasty is in accordance with what is described in the Bible Luke 23:44-46 :
Luke 23:44-46:
44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
History of Latter Han Dynasty, Vol. 1，Chronicles of Emperor Guang Wu, 7th year
夏4月壬午，诏曰：比阴阳错谬，日月薄食。百姓有过，在予一人，大赦天下。 光武帝7年
As translated:
"Summer, fourth month (of the year), on the day of Ren Wu, the imperial edict reads,‘Yin and Yang have mistakenly switched, and the sun and moon were eclipsed. The sins of all the people are now on one man. Pardon is proclaimed to all under heaven."
It is interesting to note that they came to that interpretation without knowing Jesus.
3. Jesus's death
History of the Latter Han Annals No.18 Gui Hai
癸亥日蚀，天人崩。
“Eclipse on the day of Gui Hai Man from Heaven died.”
Luke 23:44-46:
44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
4. Jesus's resurrection (3 days later)
History of the Latter Han Annals No.18 Gui Hai
光武建武7年4月丙寅，日有晕抱，白虹贯晕。 后汉书 志18
"During the reign of emperor Guang Wu, on the day of Bing Yin of the 4th month of Jian Wu, a halo-a rainbow-encircled the sun."
Three days after the eclipse this was recorded by Chinese astronomers: Christ’s resurrection also apparently caused a celestial event that was observable.
It’s not two white guys it’s a white guy and a Jew.
You are a fool. Don't you see that he is denigrating Muslims by not even inviting a Muslim to explain their religion as they see it. He will never invite a Muslim to discuss Christianity or Judaism, would he? Sorry, but I don't appreciate this interview.
Thanks for this podcast, i found it's so educative. I'm a sunni muslim, knowledge seeker. Peace for all of you, hope our God, Allah (Yahwe, Elohim) gives you all Hidayah, Amen. Under Abrahamic religion, we are united that Our God is one, our father is one (Adam), and we all will be gathered on the hereafter.
You're just a muslim just like your beloved prophet Muhammad (pbuh) not Sunni neither Shia...
I totally agree. 🕊
What suuni? There is only muslim .
@@shirdiljan6339exactly bro, these schsms, Imaams n scholars have divided religion for personal gains. Humans blindly worshipping humans. Nothing the Quran doesn't warn us of tho.
@@mgXL7 perjalanan waktu masa sejarah perlu ada pendidikan untuk melengkapi cara nabi berdoa bagaimana. Ahli Sunnah adalah paling terdekat Dan ia nombor satu generation. Di sebabkan politik mahu kekuasaan kesemua agama berpecah berpuak puak Cuba kaji first generation ikutlah generasi awal pasti selesai masalah manusia Dan agama.
I've enjoyed every second of your talk. Many thanks to both of you guys
Derek as your speaking I am recalling Qur'an verses that highlight the ideas.
Loved the talk. Rabbi you the man. Derek thankful and grateful for the efforts. Peace🙂
Great episode! Keep it up, Derek! 🙂
I am an Indian Malayalee tradition Muslim since I saw this video I feel very proud to be born as a Muslim thank you very much to Allah for being born as a Muslim May Allah make us all Muslim and make us die may Allah subhanutala bless us all
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You are broken
I really appreciate this open and honest discussion. I wish more would listen and learn. I agree with Derek, if more people were well informed, we would have far less inter religious strife.
Thank u for ur video. I'm a muslim and i appreciate ur shows. 😊
I really enjoyed this episode and loved prof Firestone, i wil get some of his books, starting with Intro to Judaism for muslims.
I hope you get to be the one that unites humans.
Please visit us in Dubai.
Derek, I have so much respect for you and your guest. And as a Muslim...I see more similarities with Judiasm than any other religion.
Until recent times, they both got along well, like brothers and sisters...
That’s because you guys copied stories from jews and christians
No *SIMILARITIES* between *Islam* and *Judaism!* It's a pity that beloved Muslims *believe in the FRAUD* that the *oneness (monotheism/Tawhid)* of their god means that he is the *SAME* monotheistic God revealed through Moses and the Prophets in Jewish scripture (Deuteronomy 6:4). Same concept of monotheism therefore same God? *No.*
Is monotheism the ONLY attribute required to test Allah of the Qur'an's 7th century claim to be the monotheistic Judeo-Christian God of Abraham, the Creator and Most High God? Satan, who also claims to be God, would easily pass this test since he is monotheistic too.
So, holding on to just one attribute is a *False Dilemma Fallacy* because it falsifies or limits the results by relying only on ONE attribute and ignoring MANY other attributes which would have helped give a more accurate result.
Allah's strange claim to be the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible goes like this:
Al-'Ankabut (QS 29:46). "...We [Muslims] believe in all that is revealed to us and in that which has been revealed to you [Jews and Christians], and our God and your God is One, and to Him we stand resigned."
*CLASH: DOES GOD ENTER CREATION OR DOES HE NOT?*
It was common knowledge to all the Prophets of Israel, as revealed in Jewish scripture, that God *enters creation* while Allah of the Qur’an-revealed in the 7th century- *does not enter creation* (Sahih Muslim 179):
The amazing Almighty is ABLE to enter our space since he is not bound by time, space and location. God is LOVE (1 John 4:8), so out of his *love* (not weakness) he chooses to dwell among the people who are the masterpiece of his creation.
For example, in the Jewish Torah, God walked in the garden of Eden (Genesis 3:8), which is not in heaven but was located on earth, serviced by the rivers Pishon, Gihon, Tigris and the Euphrates (Genesis 2).
God appeared to Abraham on earth as a man (Genesis 18:1-15).
The glory of God descended as a cloud and *entered the temple/tabernacle of Moses (Exodus 40:34) and Solomon (2 Chronicles 7:1-3) and dwelt among the Israelites.*
That is why Jews pray facing the temple in Jerusalem. When the prophets taught, *"Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is ONE* (Deuteronomy 6:4), this is the monotheistic God of Abraham they taught about, not the 7th century Allah of the Muslims who does not enter creation! You can't just cherry pick one verse from the Torah and ignore all other attributes of God mentioned in the Torah! Do you have any idea how crazy and hypocritical that is?
Finally, God DID enter creation when he *entered the temple/tabernacle that was the BODY of Jesus (Isaiah 40:3-5, Malachi 3:1 and John 2:19-21) and dwelt among mankind* (John 1:14). Jesus is the Glory of God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14)!
The Muslim will say: *"but our God does not enter creation because he is Most High and exalted above the earth".* This would prove Allah of the Kaaba to be false for claiming (QS 29:46) to be the God of the previous scriptures *(who is the Most High and does enter creation* out of his love for mankind).
Well, in this example, if something claims to be a duck, then logically it should have feathers as does a duck.
That something cannot claim to be a duck but then say _"I am a duck who does not have feathers; I have fur"._
*(This is called a false claim: it is not a duck but something else-perhaps it is a Rabbit)*
Likewise, if the 7th century Allah of the Qur’an claims to be the God of the previous scriptures (who does enter creation) then logically Allah of the Qur’an should enter creation, as does the true God of the previous scriptures.
Allah of the 7th century cannot say, _"I am the God of the previous scriptures (who enters creation), but I don't enter creation"._
*(This is called a false claim: he is not the true God of the previous scriptures but a false god)*
Muslims worship a *false god* who claims [Al-Aʻla (87:1)] to be the Most High God of the previous scriptures who does enter but this false god does not enter creation! It's deception. In truth, Judaism and Christianity are the only true Abrahamic religions of the true God of Abraham *who enters creation* and dwells with mankind. Islam is a false 7th century Abrahamic religion.
If it has feathers, walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck, then it surely is a Duck, not a Rabbit!
If God enters creation, appears to Abraham as man and enters and fills the tabernacle/temple of Moses and Solomon, then He surely is the true God of Abraham whom the Jews and Christians believe in and NOT Allah the 7th century false god of the Qur'an.
Being the "great planner" that Allah is, he has planned to deceive beloved Muslims into believing that he is the Judeo-Christian God.
Imagine the Rabbit saying "there is no other creature but the Rabbit" yet making the claim to be *another* creature which has feathers and a quacking sound?
Such is the terrible claim in the Islamic creed in the Shahada "there's no god but Allah" yet Allah goes on to claim to be *another* God (the Judeo-Christian God of Abraham who does enter creation).
Blessings to you!
While Allah of Islam *claims to be the monotheistic God of the previous scriptures,* he does not enter creation as did the God of the previous scriptures. Who is deceiving who? Here are *FIVE* amazing examples of God (the glory of the Lord) *ENTERING CREATION* and *dwelling among the people* in the books of the prophets of old, and the stunning prophecy from the prophets about the *glory of the Lord* appearing to mankind in the form of *JESUS!*
*1.* In the Torah, after Adam and Eve sinned, "...they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the *presence* of the Lord God among the trees of the garden". (Genesis 3:8).
*2.* In the Torah, God appeared on earth to Abraham *(Genesis 18:1-15)*
[1] 'The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. [3] He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. [11] Abraham and Sarah were already very old, and Sarah was past the age of childbearing. [12] So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, “After I am worn out and my lord is old, will I now have this pleasure?” [13] Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Will I really have a child, now that I am old?’ [14] Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”
*3.* In the Torah, *God entered the temple and dwelt with mankind.* God instructed Moses: "And let them make me a sanctuary; that *I may dwell among them."* (Exodus 25:8). Was this Allah of the Qur’an?
'Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the *glory of the Lord* filled the tabernacle. Moses could not enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled on it, and the *glory of the Lord* filled the tabernacle.' (Exodus 40:34).
Was this God whose glory entered the tabernacle of Moses, Allah of the Qur’an who can not enter creation? No.
God would give Moses commands from *inside* the tabernacle in the Holy of Holies above the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:22)
*4.* Later, during the time of Solomon, the glory of God filled the temple again: 'When all the Israelites saw the fire coming down and the *glory of the Lord* above the temple, they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave thanks to the Lord, saying, “He is good; his *love* endures forever.” (2 Chronicles 7:1-3).
His love? Yes, out of His *love,* not *weakness.* Because-unlike the out-of-reach Kaaba god who 'sends down a STONE from heaven' to Muslims-the true God of Israel, the Almighty, loves his people and HIMSELF comes down and *dwells with them!*
This is the clearest evidence that the one ☝️ (monotheistic) 7th century FALSE god of the Kaaba is not the one (monotheistic) TRUE God of Abraham of the previous scriptures who does enter creation.
Allah's claim is the biggest ever act of deception since the creation of the world. Scriptures warned that Satan would come to disguise himself as the Most High God (Isaiah 14:12-14) and even try to imitate God's righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)
*5.* Finally, God makes a prophecy of Himself coming to the earth *(by entering the temple that was the body of Jesus Christ)* and the *glory of God* being revealed in *Jesus!* :
'A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain. And the *glory of the Lord* will be revealed, and all people will SEE IT together. For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” (Isaiah 40:3-5).
Jesus, as the glory of the Lord, will be revealed to and seen by the people!
John the Baptist then confirms the prophecy of Isaiah is about himself, John (the voice of one calling in the wilderness) preparing the way for Jesus:
'This is he [Jesus] who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’ ” (Matthew 3:3).
"In the beginning was the *Word,* and the *Word was with God,* and *the Word was God.* The *Word became flesh* and *made his dwelling among us.* We HAVE SEEN *his glory,* the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.(John 1:1, 14)
The title 'Son of God' simply means God, who is spirit, added flesh to his divine nature. 'Son of God' means God in the flesh.
Blessings!
Dear Derek, I am a Muslim from Saudi Arabia, I have to respond because the rabbi’s answer is inaccurate and I found many wrong comments from your followers. What we believe in is found in the texts of the Qur’an. All the prophets are Muslims pbuh and the religion of Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Muhammad etc. One, the laws change according to the era, but the message is the same, but humans used to distort the word of the Creator, so it is easy to see the contradictions in the Torah and the Injeel. As for the Qur’an, God promised to protect it from distortion, and it is the last of the heavenly books, and Muhammad pbuh is the last of the prophets and a prophet will never come after him.
My advice to you if you want to learn Islam, read the Qur’an and do not ask a rabbi or priest, because we see them as the ones who distorted the word of the Creator in the Torah and the Gospels, and therefore we will not secure them in talking about Islam. Christian and Jewish scholars know that Muhammad pbuh is a prophet, but their religious and ethnic fanaticism is the reason for their reluctance to recognize the truth .
Perhaps you can host Rabbi Mort who converted to Islam, and the Bible was the reason for him to embrace Islam. He is one of the few rabbis who converted to Islam because it is rare for a Jew to convert to Islam because of religious and ethnic fanaticism.
You can also host priests such as: Dr.Jerald Dirks, Samuel Sharcher to talk about the evidence of the Prophet Muhammad's prophecy and why they converted to Islam.
The message of the prophets is all one message dear Eric
The Qur’an is the only heavenly book in which it is not possible to change a single letter
And a correction to the rabbi’s words, Islamic sects are not one religion and this is wrong. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh told us that Muslims will split into sects just as Jews and Christians split into sects and that the group that will enter Paradise will follow the way of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and what the friends of the Prophet Muhammad were upon
Therefore, you will find some Muslims practicing methods of worship, rituals and belief that were not from the teachings and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, and these are contrary to the teachings of Islam and the way of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh
Therefore, there is the doctrine of the Salafis, and they are more committed to the texts of the Qur’an and the Sunnah with the understanding of the friends of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, and they are keen to study the science of hadith in order to know the correct hadith from the weak hadith, and they do not agree to any invention in religion as some Islamic schools do, and they are committed to the path of the Prophet Muhammad and his friends in all aspects of worship and faith.
He suggested hosting Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Dimashqi, Sheikh Hassan Somali, Abdur Raheem McCarthy's, Muhammad Tim Humble, or Dr. Tahir Wyatt, Abdullah Smith to talk about the Islamic faith.
Habib, the Qur’aan has changed. I have a video on my channel going through all the adillah. I also have some community posts on ‘ilm al-hadith and ilm al-rijaal. I suggest that you check them out, God willing.
@@TheOrthodoxAlbanian changed as in how? Ancient manuscripts such as the one in Birmingham is exactly the same as in the present.
What of the hafidh's(memorizers) of the Qur'an and prayers which include the recited whole once a year?
Let me see your reply. Most copy paste false information with no simple knowledge of the Qur'an. I hope you are different so we can have a fruitful conversation.
Then I'll check your channel
@@TheOrthodoxAlbanian Go to China, then India, then Medina, and tell me what the change is.
Ignorance is a problem, and arguing without knowledge is a bigger problem.
Mohammed is a war lord fanatic with his teaching amalgamated from other religion. Islam has two faces, Meka and Medina. One peace the other violence 🤺. Mohammed is an evil narcissistic man who is a liar, killer, horny and destroyer. Follow David Wood youtube videos that summarized it in short. Mohammed is the false prophet who misguided billions of people in millennium.
Allah has failed to protect his fucking words from being distorted by the rabbi or the priest according to you ? Then he created the book called ' Quran ' ? BS
Excellent informative and enlightning discussion.
‘A combination of fear and arrogance’. Well said Rabbi. I like the idea of 1 tribe with 3 views with a core commonality that’s often forgotten.
The big difference between Islam and Judaism is that, Isalm is for entire humanity and Judaism is limited to so called chosen people only.
Not chosen but only for the people of Israel in other words it’s only for the descendants of Prophet Israel.
Also the way Torah described Allah is different than the way Quran talks about Allah.
Judaism is for humanity just as much as Islam is, you don’t have to be a blood descendant of israelites to join the faith you adopt the faith as you adopt islam as your religion
@@Erick-1130 My friend you're absolutely wrong. You should do your homework.
@@kawsarulhaque2254 you should study nearly all denominations accept conversion stop spreading misinformation to support your bias. You can google it.
Loved the chat, absolutely wonderful guest in Professor Firestone. 18:50 The description of religious tradition infused with cultural norms and vice versa is such an ignored part of US religious teaching of today (at least in my experience). Everyone is SO bent on proving unique revelatory authority for their group, they cannot afford to consider this as an influencer on their own belief system. I think the world would be better off if we just humbled ourselves enough to consider that every group that comes into contact with another is influenced and changed forever.
I am a Muslim living in the U.S. I always had so many questions, but they tell me not to ask and accept. I not only agree with Me. Reuven Firesont as I already felt it even before I watched this vlog.
Thank you for letting me know that I am not crazy or self-hatting Muslim as some label me.
You should ask Knowledgeable muslim. there is nothing islam can not answer. So find some good scholar. if someone say don’t ask just believe he is not a good Muslim as Allah told people to learn.
I really appreciate this discussion. As a Baha’i I have always understood the continuation of the idea of one God for all humanity throughout the ages, including pre history. A scholarly approach is the best way to view religion. Faith in the existence of an Unknowable Essence is the key ingredient. This is how I see it. Thank you again for bringing the practical and logical perspective to this discussion.
Like Christianity it has no halaqa/shariyyah Law. A religion of lawlessness thats Christianity and Bahaism
I am Muslim and I really enjoy your analysis and your honesty. I wish we could have a lot of people like you . As I can see the comments your outreach Muslims and it’s approve Muslims are open to different views and ideas. Let it be known Muslims enjoy honesty and critical dialogues. Thanks for your amazing videos. Please do continue your outstanding work. Thanks
Go through the comments section and read my comments I had made at different points with time stamps in this video.
I am at the 27 minute mark and all I heard is jew who trying to say Quran is derived from Judaism and Christianity in the Arab peninsula without actually saying the exact word,you can hear his skepticism about Islam in every word he says ,I DON'T WHAT YOU LIKED ABOUT ALL THIS
@@deanwinchester7649No he didn’t say that. That’s how you see it. He is saying all religions even Judaism have some influence and derivative from earlier cultures.
@@deanwinchester7649 The changed and CORRUPTED quran dilemma = allah(peace be upon HER) is 100% FALSE :
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims).
sahih muslim 1452a, book 17, hadith 30
Show me in the quran the verse of the 5 sucklings
Whoa. This is awesome. I love the scholarly side to this stuff. I really dig the mythvision vision.
I've never seen a video like this. Keep up the good work.
I like this discussion and this rabbi is far more capable of delving into these topics than most Aryanic Orientalists with primitive need to paint Arabs or Islam with a specific brush that makes them feel a bit better about Germanic nations history or Christians history.
The rabbi has given a fair and balanced take. However, there is often lack of acknowledgement that many tribes in western Arabia did consider themselves the descendants of Ishmael, and the custodians of the Kaaba temple of Mecca which was built by Abraham and Ishmael. There were many monotheists in Arabia who called themselves 'Hanafis' and considered both Judaism and Christianity as later religions from the first teachings of the Arab father, Abraham. They consider themselves to be sticking to the Abrahamic traditions rather than later religions. In every community in Arabia, there were a group that were monotheistic and refer only to Abraham. These were among the Arabs who immediately followed Muhammed and they even arrived in Mecca from all over Arabia before Islam gained strength. These Ishmaelite monotheists with affiliation to only Abraham are never considered by western scholars.
The assumption that Ishmael sons didn't hold on to their father Abraham and the assumption that all monotheistic traditions in the peninsula are somehow borrowed from Judaism is an utter and complete erasure of Ishmael and all the tribes that descended from him. Islam respected Judaism, not like how the west thinks, of Judaism being the original and Islam being a copy. No, but rather more as Judaism is what God revealed to our dear cousin Moses before the ultimate message finally revealed to the son of Ishmael. It is an acknowledgement of the decency and truthfulness of Judaism, but the utter refusal of it being a core or origin of monotheism. Quran clearly rejects giving such credit to Judaism or Christianity and rather clearly states: 'then was Abraham Jew or Christian? Now was he?'
Islam indeed sees that Monotheism is Abrahamic, a message started by the father, and ended by the son of Ishmael, with Judaism being perfect temporary message for its time, while the final son of Ishmael, Muhammed, was the end of all Abrahamic messages, the ultimate explainer of it all, and the only perfect and complete iteration of them all.
In the most overly optimistic version of pre Islamic history, native Ishmaelite monotheistic traditions that trace back to Abraham since he built the Kaaba continued for a very long time in Mecca up until one well known trader a few centuries before Muhammed bought and brought the first Idols from North or Western African pagans. Ishmaelites then eventually lost many of their monotheistic mainstream traditions with only few stuck to their guns. Muhammed came in a conquering army to Mecca and literally removed all imported idols and locally made idols from the Kaaba, and he said that Abraham built it for us, his progeny, as a monotheistic temple. Muhammed even mentioned the man who introduced idols to Mecca for the first time and eventually ruined the monotheistic faith of the sons of Ishmael, and mentioned his name as 'Luhay bin Amr' as one of the major sinners among the sons of Ishmael. Arabians, in many versions of their scholarly history, claim that Ishmaelites in Mecca were strictly monotheistic until that aforementioned man introduced idols to Meccans. This is far more deep and local to Arabia than to be ignored. This whole aspect of Arabia is never discussed, with over-focusing on the neighboring Judaistic influence instead of discussing the core ideology of Arabia, and the famous acknowledging of even pagan Arabs that Abraham wasn't pagan. Muhammed was even described by Meccans as trying to bring back ancient myths of monotheism, paradise, and hell. They knew monotheism was old school. Interestingly, even pagan Arabs remained deistically monotheistic, and acknowledged that the creator is rather one single God, but the idols are mere beloved agents accepted by that main God.
What a well balanced view. Prof Firestone clearheadedness and unbiased opinions are a breath of fresh air. 🙏🏼
This is not opinion .This is the true Word of God.And that is the big different Shalom Yeshuah Hamashiach the Lion of Juda and Shalom to YERUSHALAYIM SHEL ZAHAV THE CAPITOL CITY OF ISRAEL AND THE JEWS FOREVER Regarding from Svein Harald Tjøsvoll in Norway with everlasting love from my heart. Blesdings Halleluja Shalom Amen Baruch haba beshem Adonai..🔥💖🙏👑✝️👑✝️👑✝️🇮🇱🇰🇷🇺🇦🇯🇵🇬🇧🇨🇦🇸🇪🇫🇮🇩🇰🇮🇸🇧🇻🇲🇬✡️🇮🇱🕎🇮🇱
Hi Derek, maybe you can research this: how come some Jews migrated to Madinah, even before hijrah, before prophet Muhammad pbuh migrated from Mekah to Madinah? In our tradition we believe because they knew from Jewish scripture, there would be the last prophet that emerged from Madinah.
Keeping the peace would be enough knowledge we'd need to know.
Islam brought me to the true realization (one God )and the genuine love for Prophets including Jesus and Muhammad .
Derek, I don’t know if you are familiar with Modern Traditionalist literature but if you haven’t read Seyyed Hossain Nasr, Martin Lings, Henri Corbin, and Karen Armstrong among others, then I would recommend you look them up. Lings and Armstrong both wrote biographies on Mohammed which are very good.
Great interview. Thanks
All of them are apologists for Islam. All religions are man-made. Mohammad, a violent con man, stole from Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Judaism.
Muhammad is Mesianik title for Jesus Christ
@@DusTman761 JC came to my dream and told me to let you know that Muhammad is the last prophet.
@@curiouscat5229 Muhammad is only Messianic title for the messiah
@@DusTman761 Only if you knew how misguided you are !!!!!!! Do you really believe in a triune god ????
Very interesting conversation with an engaging scholar. Thanks!
Islam was clear when it said that it contained all the previous heavenly religions, refined them, and gave them permanent life and preserved them with the Qur’an, which cannot be tampered with.The Qur’an is inherited by memorizing it in the breasts, as we say, and not just in books. Reading the Qur’an is spiritual refinement and psychological preparation for the Muslim, so it gives us strength and endurance over life, and this indicates that it is the final religion because it does not age or weaken.Thank you very much, I enjoyed watching you❤❤❤and all the best 🤲🤲❤🤲
@EvadDnana Islam is not against the remaining religions. Islam respects personal freedom and is keen to protect society and does not force people to leave their religion. This is evidenced by the fact that Islam ruled India for more than eight hundred years, and the majority of the population still belongs to many other religions. In Islamic countries, there is a pluralism of religions, including the worship of Satan. Islam sanctifies the individual and encourages society to become One body with harmony and sensations
@@lesforetsdoesn't sound like you've read the quran at all.
@@_Highvalue_ oh yes many times probably you didn't
I love the interview the one being interviewed is a well read and an intellectual.
I am so impressed by his knowledge of Islam. I hope the interviewer has learnt a few things as he seemed quite rigid in the beginning.
We Muslims are open minded, 98% are peaceful like anyone else some are crazy like in all religions.
Look at history Christians have killed millions across the world since ships could sail on the oceans.
So sanity is in being humble kind and accepting of other faiths .
I have experienced many faiths and been to Israel to see experience the place where 3 major beliefs reside with all its complexities. Really liked the Jewish gentleman and his approach to provocative questions. Thank you
As a muslim, i enjoyed this interview a lot. They’re both honest and frank. Thanks.
Not fully honest .. he said if name of Muhammad was correct or not but in their book
Song of Solomon 5:16 name of Prophet Muhammad has mentioned
It’s says Muhammadem
em is plural of respect Like Halo em ( Gods ? No meaning God )
I'm muslim, I really appreciate and pay high respect to your job
I'm an Egyptian Muslim, and I want to thank you both for this marvelous interview, and I hope God will show you the right path to Him inshallah, we believe in jesus, we believe in muses, we believe in predecessor Holly Scriptures to quran we believe in one God who is merciful, all knowing, individual with no wife and no son, he is the creator and to Him is to go everyone in the hereafter, may God encompass us with his mercy
This kind of interviews creates understanding among PEOPLE of different faiths.
Try watch blogging theology from Paul Williams interview many religions scholars
This is a very educative interview. He is very frank and honest in his presentation.
This episode has been FANTASTIC, I loved this Rabbi’s talk and learned a lot. This is the type of guy I’d love to keep talking to and learning from!
What are u now. ???
@@i.canalista7718 I’m an atheist. I just enjoy the expertise of rabbi although obviously I do not believe.
A Rabbi with a PhD. in Arabic and Islamic studies! Wow! I'm going to listen for sure!
What is Islam and what is Judaism? Those are names we humans made. Faith is one.
well done Derek, it is one of the best interviews I have seen on your channel. keep up the good work.👍
But how can Islam be Judaism? Islam calls for the persecution, subjagation(quran 98:6) even death (sahih Muslim 2922) and there is tons of hatred twords Jews in Islamic scriptures.
As a Muslim I enjoyed listening this talk.
How do u justify wife beating, slavery, child rape, antisemitism?
I don't justify.
@@fikrinuman954 they are not wrong?
They are all slander, defamation. Look into your own religion.
@@fikrinuman954 what do u mean? U disagree w koran? My own religion? Huh? Surah an Nisa, 4:34 literally says beat you wives.
American Muslim here. I love the balanced approach from the two brothers here.
Lovely interview thanks! I had fun! There was some good thought for food, or food for thought. Could have added some more (a)gnostic and atheist perspectives added into the mix for flavor maybe, but I can tell both participants were trying to be open and honest with themselves. Some ideas I'd like to bounce back in form of my comment here, I know it's a year late, but also maybe never too late to try and stop rushing towards "judgement day". Recently I have been trying to study a lot of these mid- and near-east connections with regard to language, writing, culture, history, archaeology, anthropology, morphology, syncretism, and 'traditions'. After watching you guys talk, right now my mind is entertaining this thought... what if the Judaism tradition is actually the (radical idea here) original sin of 'syncretism'? What I mean is that this particular region of the Levant is subject to many empires and conquests and many many different traditions. Besides the three largest monotheistic ones, let's not forget the Sphinx and pyramids and Hindu texts etc. Wish you had covered more about the idea that Zoroastrianism could have been an early monotheistic tradition, however my own personal study seems to indicate there was a practice of these various empires absorbing whatever gods there were from whatever territories they conquered or were being conquered by sometimes and subjugating the local gods and subverting them with syncretism. Ahura Mazda allowed Anihita into the 'pantheon', so there's clearly more than one deity present in the Zoroastrian relics. Anihita leads me to the word syncretism in fact, she may share characteristics with Sarasw(v)ati as well as Ishtar/Inanna and also Astarte. Basically my hypothesis is coming from that line in your conversation near the end about the Judaism tradition (which I am holding is archaeologically the oldest between the three "largest" 'monotheisms' and it is ironic you said the phrase "jews make up 1% of the global population", when the descendants of that tradition, one can argue, which are Christianity and Islam, make up a very very large amount of the global population!) being one of polytheism becoming or erasing, depending how we interpret it, the other gods in favor of one god basically. this is where I think all the anger and violence and war is all completely rooted in any tradition no matter how it is interpreted and becoming your concept of the word "other" or however the idea of prejudice is formulated regarding "spirituality" and/or "traditions" that we often find inseparable from the traditions they are born from even if "interpretation" can become an endless cycle. if your inner truth proclaims there can be only one god, then all other gods have to be wrong somehow and this means that other people who believe in other gods are wrong thinking or "wrong headed" also. it is only by harboring a concept of polytheism, that there are different gods for different people, that my truth is not the same truth for another person, that me and that other person may each have a uniquely different inner truth. each person defines the truth of their own god or gods or goddesses or lack thereof. Basically all monotheistic religions are the enemy of polytheism, because monotheism means refusal of other truths leading to conflict between alternate ultimate truths, and polytheism accept the truths of others so that is the only path to accepting our own truth is not the only truth for everyone and that we each get to decide our own truth. spiritual humanists think there's a spirit in each of us but that we can believe in whatever god or gods we want after that, as long as we use reason and logic and the scientific method to determine what is morally wrong and right and help others see the light in this way. Thanks and have a happy day. ✌
In conclusion, monotheism is in essence the cancellation of other cultures due to the alternate theory of syncretism that rather than borrowing or stealing ideas from each other, the pursuit of monotheism is undeniably linked to the destruction of other cultures and their pagan gods, which we find ample evidence of when we look at lal the history and archaeology for example with all empires and world conquests and the replacement of whatever local god or gods exist in a place with the incoming god or gods from another place. Zoroastrianism may have been an earlier form of syncretism or morphology that was later borrowed by Judaism and then later warped by both Christianity and Islam which appear at a glance to be even more extreme versions of what the modern unenlightened young people in the american media these days are calling 'cancel culture'. All three big monotheisms have to invalidate all other religions to remain the sole truth for the people that believe in them. Religious pursuit can be peaceful as long as you can accept that your absolute truth is not the same for another person and not ever try to demand to convert someone else to abandon their own spirituality for your own personal faith or truth.
Great interview. Reuven was a fantastic guest😊
Really enjoyed this one.
Derek, you've taken in and synthesised more information than almost anyone else I've come across.
You're a world class communicator and I love your postulates/hypotheses.
I'm not sure whether I most want you to get your PhD or to write a popular science type of a book on religions.
But either would be amazing.
I appreciate you.
Couldn’t agree more. He is marching a lot of people out of the weeds. I suspect this guy doesn’t even know his own tool box fully yet. 🔥
Pshh... 😆
Are you telling me Jews believe in Allah.
@@pmbbmp it was a comment about all the things which he DOES know. Just happened to be on this video. But - you take away whatever you choose from my comment, attaboy.
You should do it, Derek.
(Which, you ask. I say both?)
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I'm converted Muslim Alhamdulillah from India
That a false Sects Mix of humans Philisofic ,with Military Rulers and the False Reina Valera Blie truncked ,an altered scripture .
"Pre-existing" is a wonderfully diplomatic word.
It's very rare to find an honest rabbia regarding islam, the most honest well informed Rabbia is Tovia Singer
Well Islam was literally copied from Judaism... he's just honest enough to point out the similarities
@@JupiterMoon7 Islam is a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. Islam never claims to be a new religion just confirms what comes before it. Also Judaism don't believe jesus was a prophet. Islam says jesus was a mighty messenger of God. The Quran has an entire chapter named after his mother Mary. Non of the historic errors found in the bible is found in the Quran. Also the Quran challenges the reader to produce a chapter similar to the linguistic excellence written in Quran. No one in 1400yrs has been able to imitate the Quran yet. The offer still stands my friend if the Quran is a mere forgery of the Torah then produce a chapter that remotely resembles the style of the Quran
@@JupiterMoon7there were no Arabic translations of the Bible or Torah at the time of prophet Muhammad saws therefore this myth about Islam copying Judaism and Christianity is, well, a myth.
What a informative nonbiased interviews! I am listening it like an addicted man. Thanks both of you guys' for presenting a wonderful piece of knowledge-based discussion on religions
The best thing Professor Reuven Firestone says is that we are all one religion at the end. Absolutely true. different teachings in some teachings but overall are the same
My God ! I am a Muslim, read and interacted with Judaism & Christianity , visited the holy land and regularly visit mosques and churches. I also studied clean Islam ( non fanatic non extremism) .
Here are my opinion on your podcast with Rev. Reuben Firestone :
- Almost every thing said is true in clean Islam
- All monotheistic followers pray to one & the same God
- There are very similarities in the Canon - Rituals - principles and values across .
But R. Firestone said it every region infuses the shape and practices of the same religion of the region.
If this world had just 100s of people like you both I believe peace will be upon us and wars / killings will be an odd event 🙏
Interesting discussion, this was a great guest. I hope you can have him on again and get more in the nitty gritty. I'm really curious about the relation between the Talmud and the Quran, echoes of Aramaic and Hebrew, etc. I imagine he could teach us a lot about these topics.
Quran says follow 10 commandments but Muslims don’t even know about them, Jews deny Jesus while Muslims don’t
@@ttenf3ct1ons86 There's confusion in the Bible about what the ten commandments are. That's why scholars talk about the ritual decalogue and the covenant decalogue
Talmud is not a holy book, Torah is. Talmud is not mentioned in Quran, Torah is. Talmud even goes against some of the principles in Torah, let alone Quran. So, no relation whatsoever. However, political Islam is affected by Talmud , but again political Islam looks nothing like true Islam and it wasnt created by Muslims in the first place
Thanks for your unbiased approach to understand the source of religious text. I highly recommend getting in touch with Paul Williams, who spent a lot of time learning and interviewing scholars across all heavenly religions. His channel on UA-cam is named Blogging Theology. I believe you would enjoy having a discussion with Paul.
It was a great interview. Enjoyed listening to it.
It was a pleasant surprise to hear such positive things about Islam from a Jewish rabbi.
Most of the religions of the world initially give very simple teachings for human education and training,
but later the self-interested priests change these religions for their own purposes. Quran have discussed this phenamena in detail.
If such changes are removed from these religions, the commonality in the pure religions is much greater than the disagreement.
In religions that believe in the oneness of God, this sharing is very high.
In order to avoid the fog created by selfish priests and reach the original teachings of the religion,
it is necessary to look at the original books of the prophets without any commentary, history and traditions, then one can reach the original message of the Prophets.
Thanks, I really liked your honest discretion and it was academically helpful.