Transparency is good! How about knowing how many other drivers, in your zone, on whatever platform you're on using, so you know how saturated your market is at a given time.
@@lrherrel If you get a cool DD support agent they will tell you how many other drivers are in your area if you ask. Last time I asked they said there were 213 active in my area.
DoorDash will always find a way to be opaque when it comes to transparency. If state law then has precedent over app terms of service, at least at current understsnding, that will make null and void half of that language in the document. It would also make optional whether we have to agree with it before we can move forward using the app. Make that FUNK happen ! ! !
I hope Nevada follows in Colorado’s steps and we start seeing complete transparency on DoorDash! Great video Steve, I’m looking forward to 2025 as well. Happy New Year!
@@neojason8349 sadly class actions really don’t ever help the people they are supposed too. Inn2025 you will see a different way of states taking on gig app platforms, in a way that will help the worker. 👍🏼✌🏼
I had an order in Michigan 2 weeks ago that said 7.00 and it was a stacked order for 6 miles. I took the order and picked up one of the orders then seen the other order was at a pizza place that always takes forever so I cancelled that one and made the first delivery. The lady paid me 7.00 it was only a mile away. So the other order was technically free as it appeared for 5 more mile. I called Doordash support complaining. This job was gonna be for free and they looked it up and told me they were paying a dollar which is not even the base pay and I argued with them and recorded the whole conversation. So it just shows Doordash is definitely using other orders to get other orders completed.
i just had this happen today thanks to this video. i found deliveries i literally was paid zero for, because they stacked it with a decent tipping order.
geeze, just noticed that they are not paying for the second pickup on dual deliveries. not pating or paying 1.25. and it only took me looking at 1 days deliveries to spot both. 😤
Olympia WA, Uber Eats cancellation rating negatively effecting drivers for waiting at merchant 15 minutes then cancel for excessive wait time but cancelling order is going against driver
even contacting support doesn't help. I waited 45 minutes at a vendor and when I contact CS and explained, they cancelled it but it still hit my cancel rate.
So many things need to be taken care of when comes to gig work platforms like DD. Transparency has to be one the biggest ones, and they need to be held accountable when comes to any kind of glitches. Many have been and still braking independent contractor laws and dont seem to care about it, like DeliverThat few years ago made it a requirement drivers do dress code. And did not care that no independent contractor can be required to dress any way other than a safety gear. Another thing is something needs be done about the tip systems when comes to people that tip baiting, if the tip was said total wise as a independent contractor we accepted the offer for the amount stated not what the customer wants it to be later and should only be option to add an extra tip not taking away amount.
I wonder if you have heard of this happening. I accepted a 9.50 order going 7 miles. After I confirmed pick up which brought me 2 miles closer, I showed my drop off was 9 miles away. And then this morning I accepted a 7.50 going five miles, after confirming pickup, it showed the drop off was 7 miles away. I cannot believe how much treachery I have seen in the seven months since I started.
DoorDash lowers the base pay the higher the tip is. If a customer lives 10 miles away and does not tip DoorDash may pay $6.00 base pay for that order. But if that same customer had tipped ten dollars then DoorDash would have paid $12.00 for the exact same order. $2.00 base plus the ten dollar tip. It is not stealing tips when they do this. Is it morally wrong? Yes. But it is not legally the stealing of tips.
@ re: base pay I hear where you are coming from- do NOT forget Doordash DOES steal driver tips and in all 4 cases they were accused of it they admitted to it and paid the full amounts without challenge-. ✌🏼
What I dont like is they are using the customers money for their agenda . people that tipped very well is going to have to wait for their order while waiting for the driver to wait on a bundled 2 dollar McDonald order . I dont take bundled orders . People deserve to have the best service and top priority when they are being generous with their hard earned money . I only take orders from appreciative customers because doordash won't pay a decent amount for delivery . I put a bunch of miles on my vehicle and pay for the upkeep and pay for the gas . Why should I make less than minimum wage for all that ? LoL !!!
The hidden tips have always been attempts to manipulate drivers. Their entire system is based off a lot of the same ideas behind gambling. When you complete an order and are given more than you expected, it’s a dopamine hit and your brain (often subconsciously) seeks that out. And in the same vein, some hours you’ll make bank and others will be nothing but crap offers. This is calculated and intended get you to dash more often, the same way the ups and downs of gambling gets players to return far more often than they should. Also, having hidden tips gets you to question whether you should really reject that small order… because *what if* it has a hidden tip. This used to be a much bigger deal when DoorDash would regularly hide large amounts. Now, as you say, it’s mostly less than a dollar. (I do still see some sizable hidden tips) DoorDash has openly spoken about this last point, saying they hide tips to incentivize drivers to give all of their customers priority service, whether they’re wealthy or poor. (Of course that’s just propaganda, bc if DoorDash really cared about that they could just pay their drivers)
@@CourierSix2077 cause most ppl that know at busier times it’s not worth it when you have way bigger orders floating around! Trust me dd knows why they’re doing it. Elite dashers will decline that crap & dd knows when you’re declining too! That’s when they’ll send you a bigger paying order just so you can get a order delivered😉 I’ve caught on to them
When they hide the tip, even on an earn by time I have many times been embarrassed seeing the customer and not thanking them appropriately for a great tip because it doesn’t show until after I hit complete.
Any push to stopping Spark and uber from allowing customers time to take the tip away. Recently got tip baited on a big payout uber and thought seriously about going back and confronting the person.
Here, Ubereats has Walmart pick-ups. A friend brought this up, so I checked. For most of the 50% of the Walmart pick-ups, the tips never came in.I don't do that much anymore. Why bother?
I hope that happens in Michigan. I know I would be taking more orders. Maybe some of these customers would see that we only get 2 bucks per order and tip.
When they started this program the legendary drivers such as myself were fired because we refused these orders. So door dash partnered with pizza places that would refuse to make the food but wouldnt cancel the order. We as drivers would have to mark the store as closed. Technically the store is closed because they are refusing orders. So door dash eventually just fired us all for marking stores as closed because you couldnt cancel the orders. Customer service was also trained to not cancel the order. So i was caught up in many descrepancies. And lost my job. So what were we supposed to do just stand there forever. We got scammed out of our jobs
@@ferretapocalypse exactly! this is why states will be handling their Independent Contractor laws vs. gig apps. This also generated more state revenue than if it were handled on a Federal level. In 2025 expect some long awaited changes. Happy New Year! 🫵🏼😎
I hope that my state (Iowa) gets this. I haven't done door dash in in a long time because I think they are a very dishonest and crooked company. If this happens here, I might give them another try.
All i kno is the companies haven't worked with us. I will be saying yes to whatever the laws will be to get them in line. Regular people don't have the backbone to fight these people do in standing with the regulation. In order to fight gotta be willing to go without. I see people jus can't. I'm not missin this time. Do not listen to bently or Pedro if the law makers need us to back them.
Its been a ride… lawmakers have not been very informed until recently, now they are, and that is a lot coming in 2025 that these platforms will have to follow. PERIOD!
In Texas. I have had two PETCO free *shipping* orders delivered through Door Dash so far this week. That means that tips were stolen from other customers to cover my "shipment". I first found out about stacked orders when I ordered groceries with icecream (from walmart) and included an enticing tip, only to have my Klondikes and cones arrive soft.
check your DoorDash pay history for double deliveries that only paid $1.00 on second delivery. it has stolen pay! they send an order you reject they add it to the back of the next 1 to 3 orders to force you to take it. started as $2 first time sent to you Change to $1 each base pay on double delivery or it wil be 2 deliveries for $2 no tip. I no longer take double deliveries untill they pay more than $16
I have had two times that I got regulars on a stack. The two deliveries put together paid less than one of those regulars would pay normally. Stacks have stolen tips!
Switch zone. Doordash took the switch zone away, which is not fair. The switch zone was an option if you were sent to deliver food in a different zone outside of your starting zone that gave you the option to work in a new zone. Lately doordash send you deliver food 30 minutes or 1 hour away from your starting zone for little amount of money. Once you complete that delivery, the option of switch zone was helpful which allow you to pick up food in a new zone to make money Instead of driving more than one hour back to the starting zone without any delivery. I spoke to representatives about this, but did not seem to be listening. They wrote on their website they concern about drivers long distance driving on a switch zone. I told them they have no problem accepting customers orders from outside of zone. I have no problem driving outside of the zone but when I want to take a delivery in a new zone, I should be allowed as an independent contractor
There is absolutely no reason any one should be ordering food from an hour away. If we don’t accept ridiculous offers like that we done have to find a way back.
@stevewoodyt anticipate the hidden tip lol. I actually heavily multi app and if thr price us right I'll deliver the food an hour away then get my other apps working aswell to get back to my zone. Spark, Uber, Uber Eats, Lyft, Rhodie doordash yep
Its called FAST food but people want it to arrive AFTER they could've finished eating it THERE because they dont feel like getting it themselves. This is EXACTLY the sort of thing that the oompah loompahs warned us about.
I hate the fact that all of this stuff is happening state-by-state it needs to happen nationally on a federal level. And it’s mostly happening in Democratic states which sucks I should’ve stayed in Maryland.
@@ChrisCarterFX The problem is we have big divide between Fed & State. Getting states to follow federal law does not always work. I fully understand where you are coming from. Now I believe it does need to happen on a state by state basis. 2025 will be handling these platforms much different than years past.
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Transparency is good! How about knowing how many other drivers, in your zone, on whatever platform you're on using, so you know how saturated your market is at a given time.
@@lrherrel If you get a cool DD support agent they will tell you how many other drivers are in your area if you ask. Last time I asked they said there were 213 active in my area.
they would never do that- the business model is based on over saturation
Please bring transparency to Nashville!
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What a cool concept.. accepting a job knowing how much your getting paid!
@@TheLongIslandDashExperience i know right??!!! LOU 🫵🏼😎
DoorDash will always find a way to be opaque when it comes to transparency.
If state law then has precedent over app terms of service, at least at current understsnding, that will make null and void half of that language in the document. It would also make optional whether we have to agree with it before we can move forward using the app.
Make that FUNK happen ! ! !
absoFUNKiN-LuteLY🫵🏼😎
Hi Steve! They need that transparency in all states.
Lexi 😊
Great information! Thanks for all your support!
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I hope Nevada follows in Colorado’s steps and we start seeing complete transparency on DoorDash! Great video Steve, I’m looking forward to 2025 as well. Happy New Year!
thanks ellen 😊
Yes i need this in the Massachusetts market on uber eats and doordash total transparency
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Good to know, thanks…
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One day their will be a huge class action lawsuit against these gig companies.
Hope not class action suits never help anyone
@@neojason8349 sadly class actions really don’t ever help the people they are supposed too. Inn2025 you will see a different way of states taking on gig app platforms, in a way that will help the worker. 👍🏼✌🏼
I had an order in Michigan 2 weeks ago that said 7.00 and it was a stacked order for 6 miles. I took the order and picked up one of the orders then seen the other order was at a pizza place that always takes forever so I cancelled that one and made the first delivery. The lady paid me 7.00 it was only a mile away. So the other order was technically free as it appeared for 5 more mile. I called Doordash support complaining. This job was gonna be for free and they looked it up and told me they were paying a dollar which is not even the base pay and I argued with them and recorded the whole conversation. So it just shows Doordash is definitely using other orders to get other orders completed.
i just had this happen today thanks to this video. i found deliveries i literally was paid zero for, because they stacked it with a decent tipping order.
those people didnt tip good to get other peoples work done for free
100%
All the time.
Great video. Heres hoping the transparency law gets to all states soon. It's definitely needed.
Me too Bubbasue74
Agree 💯💯💯👍👍
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Would love full transparency, several times pay has been less than offered, usally between .25 to .50 less than offered. Southeast texas.
@@thegentlemangames9141 100% 🦾
geeze, just noticed that they are not paying for the second pickup on dual deliveries. not pating or paying 1.25. and it only took me looking at 1 days deliveries to spot both.
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exactly
That happened to me with a Ubereats add on. Im staying away from add ons from now on its not to fair to the first person paying good money to me.
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Great video, Paducah ky needs to be transparent, please keep us updated !!!!
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Olympia WA, Uber Eats cancellation rating negatively effecting drivers for waiting at merchant 15 minutes then cancel for excessive wait time but cancelling order is going against driver
even contacting support doesn't help. I waited 45 minutes at a vendor and when I contact CS and explained, they cancelled it but it still hit my cancel rate.
@@DPLaVayVery Frustrating
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Great video and great info as always my friend.
@@DELIVERYTV 🫵🏼😎
So many things need to be taken care of when comes to gig work platforms like DD. Transparency has to be one the biggest ones, and they need to be held accountable when comes to any kind of glitches. Many have been and still braking independent contractor laws and dont seem to care about it, like DeliverThat few years ago made it a requirement drivers do dress code.
And did not care that no independent contractor can be required to dress any way other than a safety gear. Another thing is something needs be done about the tip systems when comes to people that tip baiting, if the tip was said total wise as a independent contractor we accepted the offer for the amount stated not what the customer wants it to be later and should only be option to add an extra tip not taking away amount.
transparency first!! ✌🏼
I wonder if you have heard of this happening. I accepted a 9.50 order going 7 miles. After I confirmed pick up which brought me 2 miles closer, I showed my drop off was 9 miles away. And then this morning I accepted a 7.50 going five miles, after confirming pickup, it showed the drop off was 7 miles away. I cannot believe how much treachery I have seen in the seven months since I started.
i keep hearing this from markets all over the country~ ✌🏼
Used to piss me off. With an .50 cent hidden tip.
@@BajaXP i feel the same way!! ✌🏼
9:40 same thing happend to me I call costumer care they told me they Will fixed AND they havent!!
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Alabama needs the Door Dash transparency
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Yeah, I live in Texas and I’m pretty sure DoorDash steals money from me by offering me a greater value than what they pay me at the end.
Make sure you take screenshots of EVERYTHING!! ✌🏼
DoorDash lowers the base pay the higher the tip is. If a customer lives 10 miles away and does not tip DoorDash may pay $6.00 base pay for that order. But if that same customer had tipped ten dollars then DoorDash would have paid $12.00 for the exact same order. $2.00 base plus the ten dollar tip. It is not stealing tips when they do this. Is it morally wrong? Yes. But it is not legally the stealing of tips.
@ re: base pay I hear where you are coming from- do NOT forget Doordash DOES steal driver tips and in all 4 cases they were accused of it they admitted to it and paid the full amounts without challenge-. ✌🏼
I stay away from add-ons; I do not think it is fair for the person who paid well on the first order.
Another Good point!
if your making money why do you care?
What I dont like is they are using the customers money for their agenda . people that tipped very well is going to have to wait for their order while waiting for the driver to wait on a bundled 2 dollar McDonald order . I dont take bundled orders . People deserve to have the best service and top priority when they are being generous with their hard earned money . I only take orders from appreciative customers because doordash won't pay a decent amount for delivery . I put a bunch of miles on my vehicle and pay for the upkeep and pay for the gas . Why should I make less than minimum wage for all that ? LoL !!!
they do NOT care about customers either~ 🤦♂️
5:48 hidden tips are so silly. I regularly see that they have hidden 25-75 cents. Why? Why was someone directed to code the app to hide 25 cents.
I've never understood hidden tips. If I'm taking the order at $6+ at face value then I'm also taking it at $6.50 or $7.
100%
The hidden tips have always been attempts to manipulate drivers. Their entire system is based off a lot of the same ideas behind gambling. When you complete an order and are given more than you expected, it’s a dopamine hit and your brain (often subconsciously) seeks that out. And in the same vein, some hours you’ll make bank and others will be nothing but crap offers. This is calculated and intended get you to dash more often, the same way the ups and downs of gambling gets players to return far more often than they should.
Also, having hidden tips gets you to question whether you should really reject that small order… because *what if* it has a hidden tip. This used to be a much bigger deal when DoorDash would regularly hide large amounts. Now, as you say, it’s mostly less than a dollar. (I do still see some sizable hidden tips)
DoorDash has openly spoken about this last point, saying they hide tips to incentivize drivers to give all of their customers priority service, whether they’re wealthy or poor. (Of course that’s just propaganda, bc if DoorDash really cared about that they could just pay their drivers)
@@CourierSix2077 cause most ppl that know at busier times it’s not worth it when you have way bigger orders floating around! Trust me dd knows why they’re doing it. Elite dashers will decline that crap & dd knows when you’re declining too! That’s when they’ll send you a bigger paying order just so you can get a order delivered😉 I’ve caught on to them
When they hide the tip, even on an earn by time I have many times been embarrassed seeing the customer and not thanking them appropriately for a great tip because it doesn’t show until after I hit complete.
Doordash needs to get rid of zones. More orders would get done
Its all just a control game with them 🤨
2 years ago Uber gave the total customer payment in other info tab but they stopped giving it.
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Any push to stopping Spark and uber from allowing customers time to take the tip away. Recently got tip baited on a big payout uber and thought seriously about going back and confronting the person.
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Here, Ubereats has Walmart pick-ups. A friend brought this up, so I checked. For most of the 50% of the Walmart pick-ups, the tips never came in.I don't do that much anymore. Why bother?
@ the real time of walmart gig work for last 18 months, is a very deep dive story! 🤯👍🏼
Doordash is stealing half of our tips and if you pay close attention there lying about the mileage to.
i have definitely noticed they will post with a lower mileage, until after accepting Nd having picked up the order, the mileage goes up.
the tip stealing is proven each time they are accused.
I hope that happens in Michigan. I know I would be taking more orders. Maybe some of these customers would see that we only get 2 bucks per order and tip.
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Everyone also needs to stop takin every order. The metrics dont matter. Orders wll go out regardless.
100% … i honestly think DD has already started offering deliveries to closest driver & that platinum status provides ZERO priority (jmo)✌🏼
@@RideshareRodeo not true, i get orders first when im with my sister thats silver, and they give bad orders to her first most of the time im plat btw
@@RideshareRodeo the tier program is a total sham. I dont even worry about it Im at 10% AR right now
@ i am a bottom feeder lifer too 🫵🏼😎
When they started this program the legendary drivers such as myself were fired because we refused these orders. So door dash partnered with pizza places that would refuse to make the food but wouldnt cancel the order. We as drivers would have to mark the store as closed. Technically the store is closed because they are refusing orders. So door dash eventually just fired us all for marking stores as closed because you couldnt cancel the orders. Customer service was also trained to not cancel the order. So i was caught up in many descrepancies. And lost my job. So what were we supposed to do just stand there forever. We got scammed out of our jobs
@@BigTraderBoyz 🙏🏼✌🏼
They’re still playing FKG games. They only comply for the state they got in trouble in rather than nationwide
@@ferretapocalypse exactly! this is why states will be handling their Independent Contractor laws vs. gig apps. This also generated more state revenue than if it were handled on a Federal level. In 2025 expect some long awaited changes. Happy New Year! 🫵🏼😎
I hope that my state (Iowa) gets this. I haven't done door dash in in a long time because I think they are a very dishonest and crooked company. If this happens here, I might give them another try.
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All i kno is the companies haven't worked with us. I will be saying yes to whatever the laws will be to get them in line. Regular people don't have the backbone to fight these people do in standing with the regulation. In order to fight gotta be willing to go without. I see people jus can't. I'm not missin this time. Do not listen to bently or Pedro if the law makers need us to back them.
Its been a ride… lawmakers have not been very informed until recently, now they are, and that is a lot coming in 2025 that these platforms will have to follow. PERIOD!
In Texas.
I have had two PETCO free *shipping* orders delivered through Door Dash so far this week. That means that tips were stolen from other customers to cover my "shipment".
I first found out about stacked orders when I ordered groceries with icecream (from walmart) and included an enticing tip, only to have my Klondikes and cones arrive soft.
possibly✌🏼
check your DoorDash pay history for double deliveries that only paid $1.00 on second delivery. it has stolen pay! they send an order you reject they add it to the back of the next 1 to 3 orders to force you to take it. started as $2 first time sent to you Change to $1 each base pay on double delivery or it wil be 2 deliveries for $2 no tip. I no longer take double deliveries untill they pay more than $16
I have had two times that I got regulars on a stack. The two deliveries put together paid less than one of those regulars would pay normally. Stacks have stolen tips!
i turned off my dash link. thanks guys.
they absolutely paid zero for a delivery on more than one, and lowered pay on some.
This what I was going to write lol
I’ve had double orders that didn’t have base pay at all. Screen shots on 11 Mille $2 orders as a platinum dasher
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Switch zone. Doordash took the switch zone away, which is not fair. The switch zone was an option if you were sent to deliver food in a different zone outside of your starting zone that gave you the option to work in a new zone. Lately doordash send you deliver food 30 minutes or 1 hour away from your starting zone for little amount of money. Once you complete that delivery, the option of switch zone was helpful which allow you to pick up food in a new zone to make money Instead of driving more than one hour back to the starting zone without any delivery. I spoke to representatives about this, but did not seem to be listening. They wrote on their website they concern about drivers long distance driving on a switch zone. I told them they have no problem accepting customers orders from outside of zone. I have no problem driving outside of the zone but when I want to take a delivery in a new zone, I should be allowed as an independent contractor
I still have switch zone in Massachusetts
There is absolutely no reason any one should be ordering food from an hour away. If we don’t accept ridiculous offers like that we done have to find a way back.
@stevewoodyt anticipate the hidden tip lol.
I actually heavily multi app and if thr price us right I'll deliver the food an hour away then get my other apps working aswell to get back to my zone.
Spark, Uber, Uber Eats, Lyft, Rhodie doordash yep
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Doordash is so so rich cuz they manipulated the system all from the start and their Ahead of lawmakers
lawmakers are catching up very quickly, finally🫵🏼😎
They actually aren’t rich, they don’t make a profit. Once investments dry up, they are gone.
@ Laura, correct, the INVESTORS are not making money and the early days of venture investors using the apps as a cash cow are gone!
I think doordash should rates the base pay $2 to 4
base pay will be irrelevant in 2025 🫵🏼😎
Will this law happen in Colorado only or nationwide?
different laws in different states
why only colorado this is a big scam
state by state need to take on gig apps~
Its called FAST food but people want it to arrive AFTER they could've finished eating it THERE because they dont feel like getting it themselves.
This is EXACTLY the sort of thing that the oompah loompahs warned us about.
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Either they deport or we quit welcome 2 they took our jerbs 2.0😂😂😂
many levels to this , but some cities the “newcomers” are making app problems much worse! 🍻
Trashdash
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I hate the fact that all of this stuff is happening state-by-state it needs to happen nationally on a federal level. And it’s mostly happening in Democratic states which sucks I should’ve stayed in Maryland.
@@ChrisCarterFX The problem is we have big divide between Fed & State. Getting states to follow federal law does not always work. I fully understand where you are coming from. Now I believe it does need to happen on a state by state basis. 2025 will be handling these platforms much different than years past.
What did you think about the email I sent you?
have not had chance to read yet- ✌🏼
They knew this was cpming. They fired everybody that was a top driver so the evidence isnt there
@@BigTraderBoyz it is part of it no question!!