I liked Mozart’s take on it. When an aspiring young musician asked for advice from Mozart on how to compose a symphony M said he was still young and should maybe start with sonatas. The young musician said ‘But you were composing symphonies at the age of 10’. Mozart responded ‘Yes that’s true but the thing is I didn’t ask anybody how’
That is total BS... for one, Mozart's father was quite literally the best music teacher in Vienna. The other is that the context was that he was asking Mozart on how to compose a piano concert THAT PUSHED THE RULES. This removes from the insane hard work Mozart himself put in... he was a prodigy and genius not because he was magically born like that, he was good bc of how much work he put in
@@ult19x65 we are all dependent on our sources for our knowledge, accurate or otherwise, and quite what makes you the arbiter of the definitive truth is anyone’s guess. No amount of ‘hard work’ turns a 7 year old into a prodigy without innate brilliance. Lastly hitting the caps lock doesn’t make you more convincing it simply removes all doubt that you’re a knob
@Robert N You are exactly right. Beethoven was not at all gifted or considered even close to a "prodigy". In fact, he hate prodigies for this very reason, and another friend introduced Liszt when he was a little older specifically for this reason!
@Robert N no one would suggest he just sat down at a piano and hey presto out poured a work of genius. Of course he practised his arse off and I’ve no doubt was carefully nurtured along the way too. But as a boy he was a sensation and the talk of the Habsburg Empire and that didn’t come about because he was merely a good musician who just practised a lot.
I can't believe this masterpiece of film was written by two twenty somethings...the writing casting acting director....just a sheer masterpiece will be looked upon forever as one of the greatest accomplishments in film
In a way it almost makes more sense that younger people could come up with this - they were writing about their own lives, what it's like to be that age, their own experiences. Unmuddled by experience, tradition, the ways others have done it. Able to be all the more genuine.
It seems to be inspiration breeds brilliance, Sylvester Stallone wrote Rocky on nothing and that is a great. It would be interesting to see how many great films are made by people who are truly inspired.
@@miniliktheodros9894 I don't want to Google it, because then I'll feel like I didn't work it out on my own. Just being honest with you here... But there is no way - no way in hell - that those two little Hollyweird people wrote a script that was this nuanced, this grounded, and which demonstrated this level of knowing of how the human mind works, especially in very troubled and unique individuals. And then these two genius writers went on to write... uh, nothing, actually. Nothing at all, ever again in their careers. That's the story? No. That didn't happen. Matt Damon and Batman did not write this script at the age of 20, or whatever they claim. It's absurd. They are not even particularly wise actors, much less wise people. It makes no sense. But hey; maybe you could go and chase down the truth, then come back and let me know. I sure would appreciate it. It's always good to know the truth, right? Thanks mate. Cheers.
Holly-what? You're idiocy is showing. They wrote every word over a few years. I know Damon ...he's as regular a guy as you could ever meet. And intelligent as fuck. Not like you, "mate."
LOL, this scene is the biggest load of bull... Especially the final line because that's something Ben Affleck probably tried before he became famous, right before he got a drink thrown in his face🙄
this is why capitalism exists. because 80-90% of the world cant see what's right before their eyes, and why 9/10 businesses only exist because people are made to believe they need a product by people who can manipulate them via advertising and their learned & earned ability to think critically and wow people who are for lack of a better term barely conscious ; your average joe.
2:15 is such a critical point in this movie. All these people telling him it's unfair he has this "gift". People being jealous, resentful, etc. And that's what he expected Minnie to say, but she didn't.
What I like about this scene is that is Matt Damon's father is behind her. He's the gray haired man facing the camera playing chess over Driver's left shoulder. (On her right in the frame) Unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago. It's nice that his father got to share this important day in his son's life.
@@MrBudcole If she had been drinking between sentences throughout the joke, it would have hidden the punch line better (but I'm being picky). It was a great way to be accepted into his crowd.
I think this is a great scene because people who are genius and just get it... they just get it. It seems so hard for any genius to explain how they get it, the rest of us have to just accept it... and that is okay.
I agree, im not claiming to be a genius but math for example is super simple to me and i can see patterns that just make sense, i try to explain to others how my mind works and they are dumbfounded
Minnie Driver kisses this guy and she realizes that he is the right one for her. This is a pheromonal process. It couldn't be more non-verbal. She is totally convincing when she kisses him, that this is what she is discovering. She's a wonderful actress. She's also ridiculously beautiful.
I used to be involved in some memory testing research in college. True photographic or eidetic memory is so rare it's nearly unheard of and the few people in the world who have demonstrated it are hard to study. The only person I have ever met who may have had it was an autistic savant 17 year old. I showed him a photo of a drone shot over a forest canopy. It was probably 25 feet above the forest and there were probably 30-40 trees in the photo all close to each other. I let him look at the photo for 10 minutes and then I took it away from him and asked him to draw what was in the photo. Now a person with a good memory can draw approx 30 trees but have poor recall of branch or leaf position. A person with excellent memory can draw exactly the right number of trees and the exact orientation of the main trunks relative to each other. A person with a true eidetic memory is so good they can not only draw EXACTLY the right number of trees, but they can draw every branch and every single leaf on every branch on every single tree. This 17 year old kid replicated the photo with nearly 100% precision and accuracy.
Mozart's father and son were composers. Mozart's father took him and his sister on the road at age 5 to perform blindfolded. Maybe Will's biological father was a Math PhD.
In the real life story, "will" was not poor nor a janitor. Will was William Sidis, son of Dr. Boris Sidis, Harvard Psychologist who believed he could create a genius simply by training a young mind perfectly. Boris's plan clearly worked because his son became a math prodigy and went to Harvard at 11, although other parts of his mind and life were a bit hampered and he was never really "normal" or even "happy" per say. Boris himself had some bits of genius in his abnormal neurochemistry and was a polyglot (spoke a shit ton of languages), as did his son. I think most people who have interacted with many geniuses would agree with me when I say genius is usually when certain types of abnormal minds get combined with unique training and learning at an early age, usually through highly educated parents.
The difference is passion. The greatest of the greats didn't become great because "They just got it". It's because of their drive. Mozart played well because he wanted to. But if Mozart found the piano boring, he would've never even been "Good" at it. People do "Just get it" this is true. But it should also be noted that Will only ever got as smart as he is because he wanted to pick up a book in the first place. He wanted to do the research and learn. The legends are those who "Just got it" and let their passion drive them to the extreme. It doesn't matter how great you are naturally at something if you don't try, and it doesn't matter how hard you try if you aren't great at it naturally. You may be good, but you'll never be a "Great".
I think that ties in really well with the whole theme of the film. Will has this innate ability to remember and understand anything he reads, and yet he spends his time working as a janitor and on a demolition site. You have this tug of war between the Maths Professor and his pyschologist about how he should spend his life, properly utilising his talents and become a household name like Mozart or Einstein or pursuing emotional fulfillment, happiness and what it means to be human.
Mozart was writing harpsichord pieces at age 6 that the most distinguished artists of the time had a hard time playing, and his response was along the lines of 'if you are performing concertos you should be able to play this'. This doesn't get done without some predisposition or savant level abnormality in a person.
The whole idea of pre anything is silly. In Sweden you go directly to medical school from high school, no pre anything. Pre was in high school. And yes, the MDs are just as proficient. We don't have college, we only have university. Same with everything: engineering, law, economics. And when you study that you only study relevant subjects, no history and english and stuff like that.
I was just thinking the same thing! How is she already going to Stanford Med if she’s just taking orgo now? You need orgo for the MCAT even at Harvard lol
everyone loves Robin Williams ripping Will apart in the garden or that stupid apples line.....but really this is the best scene in the whole fucking movie. a little shmaltzy, wicked pretentious....but when you're having a conversation with someone, and you're trying to bash their head in with what the fuck makes you tick....it's that feeling. personified perfectly.
@@Kopp203 man, it must really suck to try and troll a comment from a year ago on a stolen clip from a movie that's 25yrs old. i'd pity you if i continued to consider you.
This film is all about the directors' ability. He took an absolutely childish script, literally the stuff a teenager would write, and made it look beautiful.
Although not genius stuff, I had a friend growing up who just got girls all the time. I asked him how he did it and he said he didn't know, he just did it.
They didn't just play the piano, they studied and practiced hard obsessively for hours, days, months, years and continued to work like no other. They also loved it very much.
He deserved a scholarship. The class divide. Those with the means to get education and him the working class, yet way smarter. Glad Professor Lambeau took him under his wing
What he actually means that if you reeeaally reeeeaally enjoy doing something, you'll usually become pretty good at it. Like Will almost always using his free time reading educational books for fun. You can't make someone like math, chemistry or physics. You either like it or you don't. For those who like it, learning is 1000% easier.
That's not what he said at all. He said that some people "just can" with whatever subject it is. Look at Michael Phelps. His body is essentially designed for swimming and is why he's won so many medals. What he means by "they can just play" is that their minds were "wired" to do a very specific thing (in his example, music) and they could just do it with minimal effort, by comparison to everyone else. They still had to study, in order to understand the "language" of music and how it works. But after they got he basics down, their minds did the rest. Some people can look at a chess board mid-game, see all the moves that got to that point, make corrections, and get to checkmate with the fewest moves needed. Some people can just look at an engine and see all the little parts inside and how each works, while diagnosing a problem without even touching a wrench Some people can look at a 10 foot tall chalk board of partial physics equations, see the result, and put it into action without writing anything down. Some people just .... can. It has nothing to do with enjoyment. Their minds are just built differently.
Nope, you couldn't be more wrong. It's not about "really" liking something. I'm smarter than most people but I'm not remotely in this league. I've worked at one of Australia's top science establishments (CSIRO) with people who *are* that smart. They just get stuff. They look at things and see relationships or results, as easily as you work out the next step you're taking on a flight of stairs.
@Trøüt You getting all salty over an analogy says a lot about you. It's just another example of how someone just CAN DO SOMETHING. Is enjoyment a factor? Yes. Is it required for a natural ability to function? No ... and that's the point. Phelps having the body for swimming is no different than having the mind for swimming. Ask anyone who has a natural ability for something, that ends up sticking with it, about what got them into it. The vast majority answer will be "once I started, I couldn't stop". You getting all salty over not being able to understand that fact is why you're here making insults and fallacious statements.
As cute as this scene is... how's a senior gonna try to get into med school when she's only on O chem? That was a sophomore level class when I went to school. Biochem was when the real shit started dropping.
Yeah they should have researched that a little better. Not to mention, without ochem there is no way you’re taking the MCAT. Oh well it’s still a really great movie
Possible for a Biology major to be taking Organic senior year. Not advisable, but possible. You can take Biochem without organic, but it's not easy. Could also be an advanced organic class.
The whole idea of pre anything is silly. In Sweden you go directly to medical school from high school, no pre anything. Pre was in high school. And yes, the MDs are just as proficient. We don't have college, we only have university. Same with everything: engineering, law, economics. And when you study that you only study relevant subjects, no history and english and stuff like that.
I think that extra stuff gives you a wider world view... theoretically, in reality, you just get your dose of imperialist propaganda with arts and sciences before you study hard science.
@@curtisrogers6364 There's a lot of other "extra stuff" in American colleges. Most American colleges have pre-requisites which translates into a lot of unnecessary classes that don't support your career path. I was forced to take a dozen or so classes to meet that requirement - math, English, history, writing, and a few electives like psychology and such.
You idiots are still not getting it. What caniz is saying is that you go from high school, studying shit like geography, biology history etc, straight to uni. No intermediate college or pre u involved. We used to even do that in South Africa for heavens sakes. It’s only America that has bastardised it for the rest of the free thinking world with some imitators along the way. It’s called spoon feeding boys and girls. Nothing more nothing less. Spoon feeding
The only thing wrong here is that Mozart looked at a piano and heard music, but Beethoven did not. Beethovens father forced him to practice incredily hard, tryin to make him the next Mozart by sheer will.
Genius cuts both ways. Sure it makes understanding easy. But it can also lead to loneliness of not being able to explain what you understand to everyone else around you. One of my favorite quotes is from Little Man Tate: “It isn't the size of a guy's IQ that matters. It's how he uses it.” also: “It's said that a genius learns without studying, and knows without learning. That he is eloquent without preparation, exact without calculation, and profound without reflection.” (And this would make me a semi genius. I don't study, but always seem to have the answer. But I am not eloquent. I like to keep it in the ball park. And can anyone tell me - what is profound anyways?)
They didn't know how to actually portray a very smart person so they resorted to the old movie trope of general knowledge. Breaking Bad did successfully portray very smart characters by how they thought (Walter and Gus and to a certain degree Hank).
orgo is really hard, i don't understand people who bring in models but the only real way to learn is to learn how to draw the 3d diagrams of the molecules on the paper. you really need to have(or learn) the creativity to see the molecules represented by boat or chair conformation.
We had 3D illustrations in our biochem workbook - split image - had to bring your nose 4 inches off the page and slowly move out and your eyes will create the 3D image. And then your ability to read anything for the next 2 hours is shot.
He basically said, that Beethoven and Mozart could just look at a Piano and just play. They understand the music, they understand exactly how to write a magnificent piece with no prior training. It was just fun, and that is how they play. For him, fun is studying academic subjects and that was his playground.
@@basedbear1605 Speak for yourself. I have a PhD in a different science, high IQ and recognized patterns well. :) It was just not my cup of tea, went with inferential statistics instead.
@@alexsummers9140 I WAS speaking for myself, and anyone with over 100 IQ could figure that out. If you really have a PhD, you should ask for your money back.
just reminded me again that I chose the wrong field. I‘m in the historic field now and even tho I‘m interested in it, I just can‘t seem to remember everything and it takes a lot of energy to actually learn some theories etc. But I still could easily explain to you most of the scientifical principals and probs even beyond. I always just kinda got it and never understood why other struggled so much before exams. But of course I had to chose something I‘m miserable in smh
Has to assign a proton spectrum, Matt implies that it has a lot to do with surgery. Sigh. When he writes it down he just draws the molecule without info about the peaks, splitting or shift.
@@rsjrx Fair enough. And I dont think is very probable that Dr. Tao knows a lot of organic chemistry, but only because he dedicated himself to math since very young age, so probably has not a lot of knowledge or worked out skill (I mean hours in the craft) about chemistry. I am sure he would learn and even dominate it if he will, but almost sure we will never see that. In this movie, they give the impression that Will, although extraordinarily talented specificaly at math, he is still a generalist and a polymath, he likes and maybe even loves math, but he also reads a lot of everything. In reality there exists people like that in the sense that they are generalist that read a lot about a lot of topics, they understand them well and have super good memory, even if they don't show extraordinary talent at math. Maybe Tao would have been more like Will if he would have stayed a generalist instead of specializing at math since such a young age. Tao is at least famously polymath in the world of math, I mean he dominates more than two branches of math, his mental breadth at math is just as amazing and abnormal as his tremendous skill and power to solve ultra hard problems.
She really was spunky and cute in this movie. Underrated contribution.
A beast could mean shes goid at acting. She did get an Oscar nom for thus one.
Its kinda annoying how she goes back and forth from Btitish accent to American in the same movie
My husband loves her. He always goes for cute, underrated & spunky. 😉
Is that Minnie Driver? Always liked her, but suddenly she disappeared from Hollywood it seems :(
Absolutely!!
I liked Mozart’s take on it. When an aspiring young musician asked for advice from Mozart on how to compose a symphony M said he was still young and should maybe start with sonatas. The young musician said ‘But you were composing symphonies at the age of 10’. Mozart responded ‘Yes that’s true but the thing is I didn’t ask anybody how’
That is total BS... for one, Mozart's father was quite literally the best music teacher in Vienna. The other is that the context was that he was asking Mozart on how to compose a piano concert THAT PUSHED THE RULES. This removes from the insane hard work Mozart himself put in... he was a prodigy and genius not because he was magically born like that, he was good bc of how much work he put in
@@ult19x65 we are all dependent on our sources for our knowledge, accurate or otherwise, and quite what makes you the arbiter of the definitive truth is anyone’s guess. No amount of ‘hard work’ turns a 7 year old into a prodigy without innate brilliance. Lastly hitting the caps lock doesn’t make you more convincing it simply removes all doubt that you’re a knob
@Robert N You are exactly right. Beethoven was not at all gifted or considered even close to a "prodigy". In fact, he hate prodigies for this very reason, and another friend introduced Liszt when he was a little older specifically for this reason!
@Robert N no one would suggest he just sat down at a piano and hey presto out poured a work of genius. Of course he practised his arse off and I’ve no doubt was carefully nurtured along the way too. But as a boy he was a sensation and the talk of the Habsburg Empire and that didn’t come about because he was merely a good musician who just practised a lot.
Brilliant!
I didn't realize that you could, literally, just write a movie and Minnie Driver has to kiss you.
what a racket
lmao
Reminds me of Louis CK new standup. How Matt Damon gets to write a movie and make himself a genius badboy
@@spencerschubert5001 that bit about the apples scene at the diner kills me with laughter every time I hear it lol
Yep. Louie CK standup about this movie
You also have to look like Matt Damon. You can't be some random greasy fat guy and say "and this is the part when I kiss Miss Driver" lmao
I can't believe this masterpiece of film was written by two twenty somethings...the writing casting acting director....just a sheer masterpiece will be looked upon forever as one of the greatest accomplishments in film
You should see Louie CK standup about this movie you may think differently
@@ryansaunchegraw2836
I certainly will check it out
Am I due for a disappointment?
In a way it almost makes more sense that younger people could come up with this - they were writing about their own lives, what it's like to be that age, their own experiences. Unmuddled by experience, tradition, the ways others have done it. Able to be all the more genuine.
@@judgedredd3568 he makes fun of him. But it is justified... Unlike war in Ukraine
It seems to be inspiration breeds brilliance, Sylvester Stallone wrote Rocky on nothing and that is a great. It would be interesting to see how many great films are made by people who are truly inspired.
They REALLY deserved that Oscar for Best Original Screenplay.
Every damn scene was fantastic.
There is no way this screenplay was written entirely by MATT DAMON and Batman. That's ridiculous.
@@LeatherCladVegan are you just speculating or your 100% sure?.
@@miniliktheodros9894 I don't want to Google it, because then I'll feel like I didn't work it out on my own. Just being honest with you here...
But there is no way - no way in hell - that those two little Hollyweird people wrote a script that was this nuanced, this grounded, and which demonstrated this level of knowing of how the human mind works, especially in very troubled and unique individuals. And then these two genius writers went on to write... uh, nothing, actually. Nothing at all, ever again in their careers.
That's the story? No. That didn't happen. Matt Damon and Batman did not write this script at the age of 20, or whatever they claim. It's absurd. They are not even particularly wise actors, much less wise people. It makes no sense.
But hey; maybe you could go and chase down the truth, then come back and let me know. I sure would appreciate it. It's always good to know the truth, right?
Thanks mate. Cheers.
Holly-what? You're idiocy is showing. They wrote every word over a few years. I know Damon ...he's as regular a guy as you could ever meet. And intelligent as fuck. Not like you, "mate."
LOL, this scene is the biggest load of bull... Especially the final line because that's something Ben Affleck probably tried before he became famous, right before he got a drink thrown in his face🙄
I'm the same way except for drinking beers and taking naps. I've always had "the gift."
Are you a friend of Bill- Bill Wislon? Maybe you should be.
I was today years old when I realized ...
they're talking about organic chemistry...
In a scene that shows their organic chemistry.
you're onto something
this is why capitalism exists. because 80-90% of the world cant see what's right before their eyes, and why 9/10 businesses only exist because people are made to believe they need a product by people who can manipulate them via advertising and their learned & earned ability to think critically and wow people who are for lack of a better term barely conscious
; your average joe.
@@Curtis.Carpenter Do you like apples?
@@Curtis.Carpenter bruh
@@cornsockgabz I DO like apples. But THEM apples? They look like sour grapes.
This never happens over a discussion of organic chemistry. Not to me or any of my master's level classmates!
Organic? No, of course not. Now P Chem, that’s another story altogether.
Do you look like Matt Damon though?
@@scottv.4140 Nope!
"This never happens."
-- my three word review of Good Will Hunting
Being called insane by someone in the class because you're studying it for fun is pretty realistic.
"Ill just write myself as a badass misunderstood supergenius"
That year had Titanic, As Good As it gets,Good will hunting, boogie nights, LA. Confidential, The full Monty. Man those were the days.
I know right! All we get now are repurposed remakes that completely ruin the original story.
Love Minnie Driver in this film. She naturally wonderful.
2:15 is such a critical point in this movie. All these people telling him it's unfair he has this "gift". People being jealous, resentful, etc. And that's what he expected Minnie to say, but she didn't.
What I like about this scene is that is Matt Damon's father is behind her. He's the gray haired man facing the camera playing chess over Driver's left shoulder. (On her right in the frame) Unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago. It's nice that his father got to share this important day in his son's life.
You can diffidently see the resemblance.
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- Come here. I have to tell you something. - Huh? “Kiss “💋the best chemistry in our life❤️
Get fucked. She is the most contrived character ever. What's sad is that she doesn't even have to act.
in my opinion she is in love with matt damon in this movie they were actually in a relationship
I have so many favorite moments in this movie. This is one of them.
I loved Minnie Driver in this movie. She was so feminine, and pleasant and smart.
Her joke in the bar, in front of his friends - priceless!
@@MrBudcole If she had been drinking between sentences throughout the joke, it would have hidden the punch line better (but I'm being picky). It was a great way to be accepted into his crowd.
And she used two different accents in the same movie
I think this is a great scene because people who are genius and just get it... they just get it. It seems so hard for any genius to explain how they get it, the rest of us have to just accept it... and that is okay.
yukimaruzam that's not okay
I agree, im not claiming to be a genius but math for example is super simple to me and i can see patterns that just make sense, i try to explain to others how my mind works and they are dumbfounded
@@jebus7x7 ok buddy
@@radosawkowal9050 damn crawled out of your cave to comment on a 6 month old post. Big ups to you my guy
@@jebus7x7 lol
She is heartbreakingly wonderful
25 Years Later we all still have the same feelings about Organic Chemistry.... Damn those mechanisms.
It’s just pushing electrons, nothing fancy.
Yeah, and a schmaart teenager from China was in my Cal Tech JC org chem class, humping the curve big time.
Its not fair, i studied for 4 years ...
Minnie Driver kisses this guy and she realizes that he is the right one for her. This is a pheromonal process. It couldn't be more non-verbal. She is totally convincing when she kisses him, that this is what she is discovering. She's a wonderful actress. She's also ridiculously beautiful.
One of the best lines in the film.
The other kind of “Organic Chemistry”.
~Carbon-Carbon Bond
We all wanted to be that genius.
I used to be involved in some memory testing research in college. True photographic or eidetic memory is so rare it's nearly unheard of and the few people in the world who have demonstrated it are hard to study. The only person I have ever met who may have had it was an autistic savant 17 year old. I showed him a photo of a drone shot over a forest canopy. It was probably 25 feet above the forest and there were probably 30-40 trees in the photo all close to each other. I let him look at the photo for 10 minutes and then I took it away from him and asked him to draw what was in the photo.
Now a person with a good memory can draw approx 30 trees but have poor recall of branch or leaf position.
A person with excellent memory can draw exactly the right number of trees and the exact orientation of the main trunks relative to each other.
A person with a true eidetic memory is so good they can not only draw EXACTLY the right number of trees, but they can draw every branch and every single leaf on every branch on every single tree.
This 17 year old kid replicated the photo with nearly 100% precision and accuracy.
Good lord, Emily Blunt is just doing a Minnie Driver impression in all the roles I love her in.
Minnie needs to pick an accent and stick with it. She kept going back and forth from British to American in the same movie
Mozart's father and son were composers. Mozart's father took him and his sister on the road at age 5 to perform blindfolded. Maybe Will's biological father was a Math PhD.
In the real life story, "will" was not poor nor a janitor. Will was William Sidis, son of Dr. Boris Sidis, Harvard Psychologist who believed he could create a genius simply by training a young mind perfectly. Boris's plan clearly worked because his son became a math prodigy and went to Harvard at 11, although other parts of his mind and life were a bit hampered and he was never really "normal" or even "happy" per say. Boris himself had some bits of genius in his abnormal neurochemistry and was a polyglot (spoke a shit ton of languages), as did his son. I think most people who have interacted with many geniuses would agree with me when I say genius is usually when certain types of abnormal minds get combined with unique training and learning at an early age, usually through highly educated parents.
@@ghostbravo7127 kewl
The difference is passion. The greatest of the greats didn't become great because "They just got it". It's because of their drive. Mozart played well because he wanted to. But if Mozart found the piano boring, he would've never even been "Good" at it.
People do "Just get it" this is true. But it should also be noted that Will only ever got as smart as he is because he wanted to pick up a book in the first place. He wanted to do the research and learn.
The legends are those who "Just got it" and let their passion drive them to the extreme. It doesn't matter how great you are naturally at something if you don't try, and it doesn't matter how hard you try if you aren't great at it naturally. You may be good, but you'll never be a "Great".
I think that ties in really well with the whole theme of the film. Will has this innate ability to remember and understand anything he reads, and yet he spends his time working as a janitor and on a demolition site. You have this tug of war between the Maths Professor and his pyschologist about how he should spend his life, properly utilising his talents and become a household name like Mozart or Einstein or pursuing emotional fulfillment, happiness and what it means to be human.
Mozart was writing harpsichord pieces at age 6 that the most distinguished artists of the time had a hard time playing, and his response was along the lines of 'if you are performing concertos you should be able to play this'. This doesn't get done without some predisposition or savant level abnormality in a person.
@@MrBPC76 I don't disagree. But Mozart would not be a name remembered if he did not find passion in what he did.
Possibly one of the best movies ever made. Alot of people argue with me but I don't care.
Agree
It is my all time favorite. I completely agree!
Have you even seen Big Momma’s House?
yeah we'll just skip the bit where mozart and beethoven played for 8 hours a day since they were like 3
They didn't talk about any organic chem, what the heck?! That's why I clicked the video!😆
Iron man they mention it at 1:02 😂
@@mandy1954 Yeah but I was hoping they would dig into some of the material...benzene rings, stereochemistry, lipids, alcohols, etc.
Iron man ikr that’s the reason I pressed the video too haha
@@mandy1954 Thought I was the only one lol
these google folks are funny,
OMG I love her so much. Su actuación, su trabajo, es muy convincente, sus ojitos dan ternura, me hacen llorar.
She looks like a neanderthal.
Why is she taking organic chemistry as a Pre-med senior in college? It's usually taught in the sophomore year.
who cares
Switched majors or the "old education system" just ran a little differently.
She’s slow
The whole idea of pre anything is silly. In Sweden you go directly to medical school from high school, no pre anything. Pre was in high school. And yes, the MDs are just as proficient. We don't have college, we only have university. Same with everything: engineering, law, economics. And when you study that you only study relevant subjects, no history and english and stuff like that.
I was just thinking the same thing! How is she already going to Stanford Med if she’s just taking orgo now? You need orgo for the MCAT even at Harvard lol
everyone loves Robin Williams ripping Will apart in the garden or that stupid apples line.....but really this is the best scene in the whole fucking movie. a little shmaltzy, wicked pretentious....but when you're having a conversation with someone, and you're trying to bash their head in with what the fuck makes you tick....it's that feeling. personified perfectly.
@@Kopp203 man, it must really suck to try and troll a comment from a year ago on a stolen clip from a movie that's 25yrs old. i'd pity you if i continued to consider you.
He really deleted his comment
@@tazmon122 wow!!
Yeah, this is definitely an underrated scene in the movie. Pretty cool to see Will open up, especially knowing everything he’s been through.
She was an amazing character
To answer the question, no, Will doesn't have a photographic memory. Like Sheldon Cooper, Will has an eidetic memory.
It's the same.
@@xenotastic no, it isn't.
This man would make for a horrible professor XD
Student: Professor I don't understand how you got ...
Professor: You just get it.
That's basically my technique for teaching math to my 10 year old. It's super successful and results in zero arguments or frustration.
That’s most math teachers I ever had
This movie is a masterpiece 10/10
SN1 and SN2 reactions.
Hated O Chem 😫
OCHEM is fun!
Ahhhhh yeeee, substitute that nucleophile in there
Ha ha
@@paulward4417 don’t you need an electrophile to accept that donation? 🤣
This film is all about the directors' ability. He took an absolutely childish script, literally the stuff a teenager would write, and made it look beautiful.
I like her baby face and British accent.
Matt's father in background over her left shoulder, er, I mean, "shoulda"...
Although not genius stuff, I had a friend growing up who just got girls all the time. I asked him how he did it and he said he didn't know, he just did it.
"Chem," being the operative word here.
They didn't just play the piano, they studied and practiced hard obsessively for hours, days, months, years and continued to work like no other. They also loved it very much.
supposedly once Mozart began writing he never made corrections to a composition. he said he could see the notes on the paper
Mozart wrote his first composition at the age of five.
He deserved a scholarship. The class divide. Those with the means to get education and him the working class, yet way smarter. Glad Professor Lambeau took him under his wing
What he actually means that if you reeeaally reeeeaally enjoy doing something, you'll usually become pretty good at it. Like Will almost always using his free time reading educational books for fun. You can't make someone like math, chemistry or physics. You either like it or you don't. For those who like it, learning is 1000% easier.
That's not what he means.
That's not what he said at all.
He said that some people "just can" with whatever subject it is. Look at Michael Phelps. His body is essentially designed for swimming and is why he's won so many medals.
What he means by "they can just play" is that their minds were "wired" to do a very specific thing (in his example, music) and they could just do it with minimal effort, by comparison to everyone else. They still had to study, in order to understand the "language" of music and how it works. But after they got he basics down, their minds did the rest.
Some people can look at a chess board mid-game, see all the moves that got to that point, make corrections, and get to checkmate with the fewest moves needed.
Some people can just look at an engine and see all the little parts inside and how each works, while diagnosing a problem without even touching a wrench
Some people can look at a 10 foot tall chalk board of partial physics equations, see the result, and put it into action without writing anything down.
Some people just .... can. It has nothing to do with enjoyment. Their minds are just built differently.
Nope, you couldn't be more wrong. It's not about "really" liking something. I'm smarter than most people but I'm not remotely in this league. I've worked at one of Australia's top science establishments (CSIRO) with people who *are* that smart. They just get stuff. They look at things and see relationships or results, as easily as you work out the next step you're taking on a flight of stairs.
@Trøüt You getting all salty over an analogy says a lot about you.
It's just another example of how someone just CAN DO SOMETHING.
Is enjoyment a factor? Yes. Is it required for a natural ability to function? No ... and that's the point.
Phelps having the body for swimming is no different than having the mind for swimming. Ask anyone who has a natural ability for something, that ends up sticking with it, about what got them into it. The vast majority answer will be "once I started, I couldn't stop".
You getting all salty over not being able to understand that fact is why you're here making insults and fallacious statements.
someone smart people can go from A to b to C.
but the true genius go form A to C they just see then next level.
Mini was gorgeous then and she is gorgeous now 🥰
As cute as this scene is... how's a senior gonna try to get into med school when she's only on O chem? That was a sophomore level class when I went to school. Biochem was when the real shit started dropping.
Oxidative phosphorylation baby - thats where its at.
Yeah they should have researched that a little better. Not to mention, without ochem there is no way you’re taking the MCAT. Oh well it’s still a really great movie
@@jimkenealy6448 Without stepwise oxidation via electron transport chain enzymes, we would explode.
Will over here scooping up all the Hot Intellectuals lol
Organic Chemistry, as a senior; and heading off to medical school at Stanford University - hummm... . Still, a provocative scene.
Possible for a Biology major to be taking Organic senior year. Not advisable, but possible. You can take Biochem without organic, but it's not easy. Could also be an advanced organic class.
The whole idea of pre anything is silly. In Sweden you go directly to medical school from high school, no pre anything. Pre was in high school. And yes, the MDs are just as proficient. We don't have college, we only have university. Same with everything: engineering, law, economics. And when you study that you only study relevant subjects, no history and english and stuff like that.
Thats how are colleges in America work, you study what you intend to do no extra stuff
I think that extra stuff gives you a wider world view... theoretically, in reality, you just get your dose of imperialist propaganda with arts and sciences before you study hard science.
@@curtisrogers6364 There's a lot of other "extra stuff" in American colleges. Most American colleges have pre-requisites which translates into a lot of unnecessary classes that don't support your career path. I was forced to take a dozen or so classes to meet that requirement - math, English, history, writing, and a few electives like psychology and such.
Maybe I would have gone to college if I lived in Sweden that's great
You idiots are still not getting it. What caniz is saying is that you go from high school, studying shit like geography, biology history etc, straight to uni. No intermediate college or pre u involved. We used to even do that in South Africa for heavens sakes. It’s only America that has bastardised it for the rest of the free thinking world with some imitators along the way. It’s called spoon feeding boys and girls. Nothing more nothing less. Spoon feeding
She may not sing, but she has a really good gift at acting.
That was good organic chemistry.
I'm easily pleased. Also quirky girls are my jam
The only thing wrong here is that Mozart looked at a piano and heard music, but Beethoven did not. Beethovens father forced him to practice incredily hard, tryin to make him the next Mozart by sheer will.
WELL, I am really GREAT at organic chemistry and caused a major WSJ BUYOUT recently. YES.
it's not fair
I've been here 4 years and I've only just found you
Genius cuts both ways. Sure it makes understanding easy. But it can also lead to loneliness of not being able to explain what you understand to everyone else around you.
One of my favorite quotes is from Little Man Tate:
“It isn't the size of a guy's IQ that matters. It's how he uses it.”
also:
“It's said that a genius learns without studying, and knows without learning. That he is eloquent without preparation, exact without calculation, and profound without reflection.”
(And this would make me a semi genius. I don't study, but always seem to have the answer. But I am not eloquent. I like to keep it in the ball park. And can anyone tell me - what is profound anyways?)
Yes, I do need help. I don't know everything.
The Organic Chemistry Will understands: Her class.
The Organic Chemistry Will doesn't fully understand: 2:00
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I live near the original store in Berkeley…
You can tell Damon wrote this scene
Such a Great Film.
They didn't know how to actually portray a very smart person so they resorted to the old movie trope of general knowledge.
Breaking Bad did successfully portray very smart characters by how they thought (Walter and Gus and to a certain degree Hank).
orgo is really hard, i don't understand people who bring in models but the only real way to learn is to learn how to draw the 3d diagrams of the molecules on the paper.
you really need to have(or learn) the creativity to see the molecules represented by boat or chair conformation.
We had 3D illustrations in our biochem workbook - split image - had to bring your nose 4 inches off the page and slowly move out and your eyes will create the 3D image. And then your ability to read anything for the next 2 hours is shot.
studying organic chemistry IS fun!!!!
Anybody watched the bit that Louis CK did about this movie?
And about Matt Damon writing the script?
Made me laugh so hard ^^
I didn't understand that conversation... and they just ended up kissing in public. I wish I had a woman to kiss. I'm sad and alone.
Try this, it's helped me a lot! ua-cam.com/video/psBuPo1ez0M/v-deo.html&t
Been there, that feeling led me to drink by myself for a while until I ended up in a relationship even worse.
But it does get better, hang in dude.
He basically said, that Beethoven and Mozart could just look at a Piano and just play. They understand the music, they understand exactly how to write a magnificent piece with no prior training. It was just fun, and that is how they play. For him, fun is studying academic subjects and that was his playground.
I changed majors after taking organic chemisty II. 😆
We all did. It’s a make or break class.
@@alexsummers9140 Speak for yourself. Organic is super easy if you have good pattern recognition (high IQ) and do the work.
@@basedbear1605 Speak for yourself. I have a PhD in a different science, high IQ and recognized patterns well. :) It was just not my cup of tea, went with inferential statistics instead.
@@alexsummers9140 I WAS speaking for myself, and anyone with over 100 IQ could figure that out. If you really have a PhD, you should ask for your money back.
@@basedbear1605 In the words of Hawking "People who boast about their IQ are losers."
Dunk dunk!🎉❤😂
Yeah Minnie Driver is so beautiful
Later that day, he carried a nuclophilic attack on her carbocation in order to fill her vacant orbital.
be still my pitter patty heart Minnie Driver just a whole bunch of yummy.
Minnie Driver is a perfect 10
These last few sentences, thats what's about
Great scene.
Am I the only one that will believe I'm smart af for like a day after watching this movie?
just reminded me again that I chose the wrong field. I‘m in the historic field now and even tho I‘m interested in it, I just can‘t seem to remember everything and it takes a lot of energy to actually learn some theories etc. But I still could easily explain to you most of the scientifical principals and probs even beyond. I always just kinda got it and never understood why other struggled so much before exams. But of course I had to chose something I‘m miserable in smh
Never too late to chose again
Change if you wanna change, this life is not a dress rehearsal
Was a great movie.
Finding him in her last year was a graduation present...
Wow
Just remember the information 4Head
When he takes a drink and the camera is facing her you can see the beer is fake.
She was beautiful... still is...
What is the apraxia way she speaks. Is that an accent of some country
It was like yesterday for me when this movie came out
she spotted his superior genetic potential, which is always hot for chicks
Organic chemistry is so easy
Requires lots of memory,though.
Has to assign a proton spectrum, Matt implies that it has a lot to do with surgery. Sigh. When he writes it down he just draws the molecule without info about the peaks, splitting or shift.
Anyone who’s ever been gifted academically can tell you Will is full of it.
You're not acknowledging that Will is a fictional character. There's no one like him in the world.
Look up who Terence Tao is.
@@juliocesarsalazargarcia6872 I’m well aware of who Tao is. Doubtful he would describe being able to do organic chemistry homework in this way.
@@rsjrx Fair enough. And I dont think is very probable that Dr. Tao knows a lot of organic chemistry, but only because he dedicated himself to math since very young age, so probably has not a lot of knowledge or worked out skill (I mean hours in the craft) about chemistry. I am sure he would learn and even dominate it if he will, but almost sure we will never see that.
In this movie, they give the impression that Will, although extraordinarily talented specificaly at math, he is still a generalist and a polymath, he likes and maybe even loves math, but he also reads a lot of everything. In reality there exists people like that in the sense that they are generalist that read a lot about a lot of topics, they understand them well and have super good memory, even if they don't show extraordinary talent at math. Maybe Tao would have been more like Will if he would have stayed a generalist instead of specializing at math since such a young age. Tao is at least famously polymath in the world of math, I mean he dominates more than two branches of math, his mental breadth at math is just as amazing and abnormal as his tremendous skill and power to solve ultra hard problems.
Human intelligence shows a normal distribution. The tail end does exist, even if you're not likely to meet any of them in your life.
wow how'd he do that? - he wrote the whole fucking movie!!!
Anatomy chemistry is important.
Harvard square used to be a good place to hangout
What kind of kiss was that
when she went in to kiss him it looked kind of weird - almost looked like she was gonna bite him or something
I mean, how do you like THEM apples!
Organic chemistry is not difficult, they should have picked a different subject.
IS IT GETTING HOT IN HERE?
my boy is wicked smart