Martin Luther King Jr: Postmodern Revisionism and Hyperreality

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  • Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
  • Martin Luther King Jr. is one of the largest cultural icons in the United States. Being the face and spearhead of the 1960's Civil Rights movement he is remembered for his racial egalitarianism in the face of Jim Crow and other forms of institutional racism. He is a figure celebrated by nearly every politician, every mainstream political ideology, and is remembered as a character to unity. Yet, many who have extensively read and studied MLK know that this 'character of unity' is a facade of sorts, they know that the American collective memory of MLK is false. These falsities can be explained through an introduction into Baudrillard's Hyperreality, and Jameson's postmodern capitalism.
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    Time:
    Intro: 0:00
    Civil Rights, MLK and Today: 1:32
    Revising History: 5:03
    Postmodern Capitalism: 9:51
    Postmodern Conservatism: 11:50
    Hyperreality: 12:51
    Postmodern MLK: 17:44
    A Message: 19:41

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  • @epochphilosophy
    @epochphilosophy  3 роки тому +24

    Hi, friends! Genuinely hoped you all enjoyed this. This backwards contemporary revisionism and historical erasure we see of MLK and past workers and civil rights movements deserved a video. And what better way than through some introductions into Jameson and Baudrillard? Anyways, Patreon is how we keep these videos going, and I need your help. If you can spare just a couple bucks a month; it's how we keep this ball rolling: www.patreon.com/epochphilosophy
    Thank you again for absolutely anything you can do. Love you all.

  • @benedictspinoza1025
    @benedictspinoza1025 3 роки тому +55

    I felt this video was a perfect example of how a multitude of different branches of theory can be manifested into one notable historical example. Another fascinating aspect is how you intertwined the modern political fabric with the notions of hyperreality, a concept which in and of itself is vague and philosophically diverse. Overall, the fact that you convey theory so coherently and potently whilst simultaneously using a perfect aesthetic, is why I found your channel so emancipating and unique. Looking forward to future content (plz Nietzsche)

    • @epochphilosophy
      @epochphilosophy  3 роки тому +3

      Appreciate the praise, my friend! Genuinely, comments like these make it worth it. Over on the Patreon I allow voting on the text-based videos. Nietzsche is on that list. So you might get to see him soon!

  • @dan26dlp
    @dan26dlp 3 роки тому +44

    Just feeding the algorythm gods by liking, commenting and subscribing.

    • @epochphilosophy
      @epochphilosophy  3 роки тому +5

      Thank you. You are doing gods work, friend.

    • @JustenHarper
      @JustenHarper 3 роки тому +2

      Yes i also like to like comment subscribe and engage. Perhaps this is controversial? We should discuss more

    • @dan26dlp
      @dan26dlp 3 роки тому +1

      @@JustenHarper We definitely should! or maybe we should just shoot the breeze? Have you been to any of the BLM protests?

    • @JustenHarper
      @JustenHarper 3 роки тому

      @@dan26dlp i have! The ones I've went to have been very civil & have had 100% mask compliance. There were some folks there who were saying some more radical things that caught my attention though, and the crowd agreed. It gives me hope.
      How about you?

  • @Sprite_525
    @Sprite_525 3 роки тому +33

    I was just thinking about your ideas today, while contemplating the Buddhist community, my area of society. For some reason, people remember MLK and the Buddha as icons of passive domestication, though they had impacts in narrow cultural areas. when we look at both of their actual words, however, they had lots of far-reaching things to say about money, class, and how our lives work in real day-to-day senses. and we are having the same problem in Buddhist meditation groups: the Buddha had very radical things to say about money and killing/eating animals for example, and we are undergoing a painful phase revisiting the real original words. MLK and Buddha were much more demanding than we remember. Just carrying a sign while telling a slogan, or just sitting on a meditation cushion, isn’t what Buddha and MLK were talking about. Radical change was about everything we do from waking to sleep.

    • @Notemaster64
      @Notemaster64 3 роки тому +9

      Although controversial, I would say that many people tend to look at Jesus Christ in a similar manner. They take out all of the radical ideas of Jesus, that a wealthy man would find it difficult to enter heaven, the way he hated the consumerism that was taking place in the temple, and the radical ideas of equality. That is, that any man is the same under God. However, once Christianity became institutionalized and power started becoming concentrated in political positions such as the Vatican and the existing Roman empire, we start to see Christianity twisted into an ideology of control. We see it come back briefly and in small sects with Liberation Theology in the last century with El Salvadorean Jesuits and Oscar Romero and other places in Latin America, but for the most part, these theologies have been denounced and ostracized by institutions.

    • @Sprite_525
      @Sprite_525 3 роки тому +4

      @@Notemaster64 yes I’ve vaguely heard similar things about Christianity, thank you providing more precise detail confirming my vague suspicion that Jesus was radically anti-consumerist. I used to volunteer with an anarchist soup kitchen that claimed to have Christian roots, called the Catholic Worker kitchen aka ‘Downtown LA Hippie Kitchen’. I admired their dedication but i was too outside of Christianity to know about their claim that Jesus was radical etc. Looks like dharma and Christ are similar in heart, as the Zen Monk Thich Nhat-Hahn said. I didn’t listen but maybe it’s true. Cheers 🙏🏽

  • @penjorebhutia2815
    @penjorebhutia2815 3 роки тому +28

    It's the same with Gandhi here too. We are indoctrinated all things about Gandhi in schools like his non-violence, compassion etc etc. But students are never encouraged to get a deeper knowledge of the economic and political views of Gandhi. Only much later did I realise that Gandhi was anarchist and was against industrial capitalism.

    • @vals4207
      @vals4207 3 роки тому

      Henlo my fellow indian fren !! :-)

  • @guadalupevasquez8964
    @guadalupevasquez8964 3 роки тому +7

    "In societies where modern conditions of production prevail, all of life presents itself as an immense accumulation of spectacles. Everything that was directly lived has moved away into representation" - Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle

  • @moda-vi
    @moda-vi 3 роки тому +25

    This is art. Thank you.

  • @kuningas1101
    @kuningas1101 3 роки тому +4

    MLK's revising overlaps nicely with the Situationists' and Lefebvre's concept of recuperation, wherein capitalism appropriates and degenerates a radical critique into passivity which can coexist with the logic of capitalism

  • @kylenelson3391
    @kylenelson3391 3 роки тому +6

    Beautiful work here. Your writing is wonderfully cogent and lively, but what goes underappreciated so often is video production of this quality. Truly, well done.

  • @Bisquick
    @Bisquick 3 роки тому +12

    _"It's easier to determine what something isn't than what something is reality"_
    Basically Joe Biden's campaign strategy...he sure _isn't_ Trump! Aaaand that's about it.

    • @Chorismos
      @Chorismos Рік тому

      *Democrats campaign strategy, "They aren't Republicans!"

  • @pradyumansingh7575
    @pradyumansingh7575 3 роки тому +2

    This whole situation regarding MLK examplifies Debord's " When ideology becomes absolute , History becomes a totalitarian lie."

  • @guadalupevasquez8964
    @guadalupevasquez8964 3 роки тому +4

    after so much, in the end, we have returned to the plato´s cavern

    • @NathanDudani
      @NathanDudani 3 роки тому

      Yeah, it's pretty hard to become educated when you have a state indoctrinating you and those cultural hegemons endlessly dividing and conquering with fake culture wars.

  • @JS-dt1tn
    @JS-dt1tn 3 роки тому +5

    So f'ing good. If this was shown in schools every year on MLK day, real change, the change that would 'cost' this country, would absolutely come about; by and for the people!! Bravo

  • @asbjrngammelgard9979
    @asbjrngammelgard9979 3 роки тому +2

    Note that you tend to overuse the word 'very' quite a bit. But excellent and criminally underrated video as always.

  • @HWalla23
    @HWalla23 3 роки тому +10

    in high school, I had a friend named Jameson, and it somehow became a meme to yell his name whenever we saw him, like "JAY-MA-SUNNNN"! -- anyway, whenever I read Jameson, I do that

    • @epochphilosophy
      @epochphilosophy  3 роки тому +10

      I hear sniffing and lisping a lot when I read Zizek. This is normal stuff.

    • @ironmantis25
      @ironmantis25 3 роки тому +2

      @@epochphilosophy I tend to read Zizek in a Slovenian accent

  • @PromiscuousOcelot
    @PromiscuousOcelot 3 роки тому +2

    Awesome video! Could you pls start including further reading suggestions in the video description tho? I'd love to look into these ideas more but tbh I don't know where to start with Jameson or Baudrillard

    • @philosophydork7780
      @philosophydork7780 3 роки тому +2

      They wouldn't know because they haven't read Baudrillard themselves, which is evident to anyone who has actually read a lot of his work. It annoys me as a PHD student.

    • @PromiscuousOcelot
      @PromiscuousOcelot 3 роки тому

      @@philosophydork7780 How so?

    • @NathanDudani
      @NathanDudani 3 роки тому

      @@PromiscuousOcelot he's a troll, it's a new account

  • @paulgaffaney7865
    @paulgaffaney7865 3 роки тому +4

    You deserves all the subs in the world this is such good content

  • @fuzzydunlop4513
    @fuzzydunlop4513 3 роки тому +2

    This was great as always. Im excited for the Mark Fisher and hopefully the Rousseau

  • @omarazami7377
    @omarazami7377 Рік тому +4

    I can’t say I’m a fan of the woke left but more and more lately I’m seeing the BS from the right. Thank you for making this video. I’ll have to start reconsidering many of my positions.

  • @bluemilk123
    @bluemilk123 3 роки тому +3

    Fantastic video, that last MLK quote is very profound.

  • @Falstaff0809
    @Falstaff0809 2 роки тому +1

    Incredible job of making a video which makes clear a complex and important analysis of where we are.

  • @Stereotype23
    @Stereotype23 3 роки тому +3

    Amazing content as always!

  • @hunter-pq1de
    @hunter-pq1de 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing video. This needs to reach a wider audience

  • @leeleeleelee420
    @leeleeleelee420 3 роки тому +2

    absolutely brilliant stuff here. loved every single second

  • @gaaseche500
    @gaaseche500 2 роки тому +1

    Hi, love the quality of the videos, please do a video on natural capitalism if it’s a central concept, as its pops up a lot as I studied sustainability philosophy and I observed this phenomenon in the on going Glasgow UN COP26 as nations and organisations make pledges and commitments to transition to a low carbon or circular economy.

  • @chonglers1513
    @chonglers1513 3 роки тому +5

    Yo this is really good

  • @michelleford8484
    @michelleford8484 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for the great video. The final quote from MLK disturbs me. It’s hard to hear but absolutely correct.

    • @NathanDudani
      @NathanDudani 3 роки тому

      It's from 'Letters From Birmingham Jail'

  • @MFTQ
    @MFTQ 2 роки тому +1

    2:28 They've started with Fred Hampton. Mayhaps they're coming for Huey Newton and Bobby Seale soon.

  • @andrewpaddock7560
    @andrewpaddock7560 3 роки тому

    I don't get it. All that philosophy stuff is really esoteric to my ears. I had no idea what you were getting at. It might have helped to give an example and show the stages of that simulacra thing you were talking about. Sometimes showing how somethings works is more effective than explaining it. At least, that often works for me. I've had people go practically blue in the face trying to explain how something works without success; meanwhile, something complicated that is demonstrated gets right to me almost immediately. Just a thought.
    Also, who says the Civil Rights Movement was nonviolent? I don't know how anyone could think that. There was tones of violence! The movement depended on that fact, knowing it would be televised and thus give lie to a lot of what was being said in addition to outraging the nation with images of women and children being sprayed with hoses or having dogs sicked up on them. What about all those organizers that were killed in South? The general violence of Jim Crow? I came decades after the movement and even I know about this stuff. The 1960s was a violent time, as were the 1970s. Where are people getting their ideas these days? I don't get this world.

  • @surajchaudhary613
    @surajchaudhary613 3 роки тому +5

    wonderful!

  • @TheJayman213
    @TheJayman213 3 роки тому +1

    gotta love that last quote.

  • @vals4207
    @vals4207 3 роки тому +1

    Comment for AL GORE RYTHM !!

  • @inversebrah
    @inversebrah 2 роки тому +1

    learned a lot, great work

  • @Based_Proletariat
    @Based_Proletariat 3 роки тому

    Great work sir.

  • @MiggiMixtapes
    @MiggiMixtapes 2 роки тому

    This is also a simulacra right ?

  • @walterramirezt
    @walterramirezt 3 роки тому

    Great analysis!

  • @gregbrown5020
    @gregbrown5020 3 роки тому

    When social science gets lost in abstract thought. More matter, less art.

  • @franciscoh.j8182
    @franciscoh.j8182 3 роки тому +1

    Subscribed and feeding the almighty algorithm

  • @rafaelcarvalho3928
    @rafaelcarvalho3928 3 роки тому

    Great video!

  • @ClockCommunist
    @ClockCommunist 3 роки тому

    This whole simulacrum lark is an awful lot of words to say that people just get up in their own heads a little bit too much sometimes (and then those people find enough other similar people, hey presto).

  • @uza10101
    @uza10101 3 роки тому

    brilliant !

  • @JaredAllaway
    @JaredAllaway Рік тому

    This is fantastic

  • @Yellow.1844
    @Yellow.1844 3 роки тому

    great video

  • @andrejmucic5003
    @andrejmucic5003 3 роки тому

    Excellent.

  • @tyronewarren6662
    @tyronewarren6662 2 роки тому

    🗣 *Excellent!* 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @Jonathan-pu8ok
    @Jonathan-pu8ok 3 роки тому

    Fantastic!!!

  • @modernmyth9050
    @modernmyth9050 Рік тому

    One thing neither side talks about are Dr. King abd Malcolm X's thoughts on Israel...

  • @hinzkunz3923
    @hinzkunz3923 3 роки тому

    The only thing that is hyperreal is the idea of justice.

  • @rafeeqwarfield9690
    @rafeeqwarfield9690 Рік тому

    for the ominous all-seeing “algorithm”

  • @Betmas2
    @Betmas2 Рік тому

    Wow this was great. Thank you

  • @FullSlack
    @FullSlack 2 роки тому

    Damn. This was amazing.

  • @johnwhite2757
    @johnwhite2757 3 роки тому

    Great man. Philosophize with a hammer and wake people up!!

  • @Bouxjiful
    @Bouxjiful 2 роки тому

    Can we say symbols that lay on top of each other, free of reference are memes?

  • @Xx_Eric_was_Here_xX
    @Xx_Eric_was_Here_xX 3 роки тому

    love your videos but the music puts me to sleep

  • @Metaphix
    @Metaphix 11 місяців тому

    That's a really long way of saying violence is good

  • @Bisquick
    @Bisquick 3 роки тому +3

    So what you're saying is...postmodernism was willed into being by cultural marxists?!
    I kid of course but like...this has to be what folks like Jordan Peterson believe right? That a few french philosophers had more control over society than the very economic base that organizes material reality? And that it wasn't purely a description based on observation but an incantation of sorts? Pretty nuts.
    But we love it folks don't we, just tremendous stuff, really fantastic. That was my Trump simulacrum.

  • @cwarren165
    @cwarren165 3 роки тому

    Is MLK a sublime object?

  • @CaptainFrankay
    @CaptainFrankay 3 роки тому

    Bump

  • @MattStranberg
    @MattStranberg 3 роки тому +1

    Incredible. One of your best!

  • @GC-rt2nq
    @GC-rt2nq 2 роки тому

    10:45

  • @howenator
    @howenator 2 роки тому

    “What is now happening to Marx's theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the Labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie. All the social-­chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don't laugh!). And more and more frequently German bourgeois scholars, only yesterday specialists in the annihilation of Marxism, are speaking of the “national­ German” Marx, who, they claim, educated the labor unions which are so splendidly organized for the purpose of waging a predatory war!” - V.I. Lenin
    So much of this quote is relevant here

  • @BenAHowell754
    @BenAHowell754 2 роки тому

    7 percent of violence cost billions of dollars, the loss of homes, businesses, and irreplaceable keepsakes, not to mention the injury of thousands and the death over 25 people.

    • @yuyuchoo
      @yuyuchoo 2 роки тому

      so this is what you took from it? i'm sorry

  • @JHimminy
    @JHimminy 3 роки тому

    It’s crazy that a country that understands/teaches history so well gets MLK so wrong.

  • @Work-WorkBalance
    @Work-WorkBalance Рік тому +1

    Thats why im a Marxist

  • @saladcaesar7716
    @saladcaesar7716 3 роки тому

    hi

  • @makecowsnotwar
    @makecowsnotwar 3 роки тому +1

    The foreshadowing of simulacra and simulation. You’re such a tease!

  • @JH-pt6ih
    @JH-pt6ih Рік тому

    It seems like your getting your concept(s) of postmodernism from Jordan Peterson. Postmodernism is not a blanket rejection of truth. I think you are confusing lying with postmodernism.

  • @gentlemantramp7528
    @gentlemantramp7528 Рік тому +3

    Respectfully, I'm not sure you escape your own critique here: By reducing Dr. King's legacy to a single-in this case, Marxist atheist-dimension, you are conveniently overlooking the fact that his philosophy and praxis remained firmly rooted in his vocation as a Southern Baptist Christian minister to the bitter end.
    Reconcile that non-dualist contradiction and you may have something original to say. Until then, it's just more cherry-picking.
    "“Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both.” ~Dr. MLK, Jr.

  • @jeffcook3277
    @jeffcook3277 5 місяців тому

    That's nice, but how many white girls did he bang? That's the important question.

  • @thermalvision203
    @thermalvision203 2 роки тому

    "During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lie s and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it."
    -Vladimir Lenin, _The State and Revolution_

  • @vcihiethea
    @vcihiethea 2 роки тому

    Intellectual gymnastics to make excuse for a criminal.

    • @vcihiethea
      @vcihiethea 2 роки тому

      @@balthasargerard7246 I'm talking about floyd, what are you on about?

  • @sidneybechet9969
    @sidneybechet9969 5 місяців тому

    woke is the opposite of MLK's dream. People are judged now by their identity, not the content of their character. MLK was also a Christian, so I don't think he would agree with much of this stuff that is going on today.

  • @edubmf
    @edubmf 3 роки тому

    Very good. Even at the most basic level Trump is not real. We all know he colours his entire head orange each day, that this is not really him. Yet the charade continues. Even at this most basic level, he is not genuine.