I personally found the revenge mode from Stephen actually kept this episode interesting, so I don't know what everyone else is complaining about. The Horde was really kinda... nothing, and 4 turns of prep before you start getting attacked by a couple 2/1s? Y'all can do better than that! I'd love to see a horde deck and rule set designed to be a real challenge next time. That said, still good fun. Cool themes for the decks, and a nice twist on three format. Proposal for the next one: * 2 - 3 rounds of prep, max * Faster escalation * 200 life total * Robot or Eldrazi-themed horde created by Ali Aintrazi * If robots, horde makes logical decisions * If eldrazi, horde focus everything on the weakest player
I agree it added tension but it was incredibly childish of him. So when he acts like the victim it annoys people lol. Honestly Jeremy got shat on the most while he tried to do the most to the horde
@@deathpenguinjoe3644 I think Jeremy getting randomly shat on is the only proof we need that this year's horde was simply nowhere near threatening enough. They had so much time to mess around with each other because they were never really in any danger.
@@deathpenguinjoe3644 I agree Stephen acts like a child and seem like always play the victim boring n annoying hell bothers me that he bullies the other guys and everyone else side with Stephen and say how missed up and sad that other guys bullies him n what not but like in the most recent episode. Plus they won't acknowledge that he does it to them more to often
I would really like to see you guys fight off the old horde deck, where you can't attack it, you can't interact with it.... you just SURVIVE. That was my favorite episode of the Horde.
Thing is, the best deck for that sort of game wouldn't be fun to watch, since it advocates not interacting with the horde at all to win. It would probably just be a bunch of walls, fogs, and/or board wipes. Yawn.
@@7MukuroRealm I'd recommend if you haven't seen it watching the very first horde deck. The guys jobs are to poke each other just enough to get the horde to go hunt someone down. The zombies target that 1 player endlessly until they die. And the way they switch targets is to whoever is the lowest player HP wise. Go check it out! It's a pretty tense episode, and it's a blast to watch. No walls or anything like that was being played.
I think the real problem with this episode in regards to the Horde strength was Jon's curses. Any X/1s were immediately killed. There was also one that required creature sacrifices. That prevented a lot of horde build up.
I like the horde videos but I felt like this year the horde was very weak. I also think the players should still have to finish the game after the horde dies.
that's cause they didn't have any lords/anthems to pump up the humans like the zombie deck did. also the token producers were all just vanilla 1/1s. and the horde was very unfocused this year randomly attacking someone every turn instead of focusing on the weakest player really nerfed it this year.
@@sw0rdhunter They did the same thing last year (randomly attacking someone) and that horde game was probably the best one they've done (first year was way too much of a snowball since the horde kept getting bigger while kicking one guy while he was down, and when he died the others couldn't do anything) so it's more just a problem of a weak deck. I'd have liked if the human horde popped out more creatures faster so it really felt like being overrun, rather than playing mechanically the same as the much better zombies. Ironically in Magic humans are the race that needs to swarm more than zombies due to their colors.
@@alanrollf2856 I did build one... just wanted to see a template of the whole build. I did a knights tribal horde. it's rough lol but we beat it today actually
for reaper king the hybrid mana is all seperate so he could've with the urza's incubator, chose to pay 2 generic instead of a colored and that would get reduced essentially reducing it by one mana
Lots of comments about people being upset about Stephen in this episode, that he's being overly salty or irrational. Have you all watched their last outing against the horde? The other three watched him get dumpstered by the horde and could have easily prevented it and then Justin especially passive aggressive rubbed it in. I understand if you don't enjoy watching salt, but understand the situation before you piss and moan without all the details.
The only one to blame is John. It's not like Justin or Jeremy could have made any sort of impact on that, all of it was in the hands of John's Constant Mists and when he decided to play or not play it. And for the record, Steven has never done anything to John about it, but he specifically killed Justin in a later episode while calling out his "betrayal" as the motivating factor, and John has to this point never been given similar treatment. Heck, Steven was spiting against Justin and Jeremy this episode, instead of against John, the person who ACTUALLY left him for dead. This "revenge" is really just an excuse for Steven to justify being petty towards the people he likes screwing over (usually Justin), it has nothing to do with actual retribution.
Well news flash remember the horde video where Justin lost first and Stephen and Jeremy didn't do anything to help him gain more health besides Jon was helping him gain health and they just stood there and did nothing to keep him live and he didn't hold any judge in next horde video
Personally, I think this would have been better if they left the Curse on the Horde, then started attacking each other to try and get the 4 points of being the last alive. Then the Horde could have been more threatening without being so powerful that it is the only target.
I’d be pleased if this horde thing didn’t come back next year. Rarely will I comment negatively but this episode was not fun to watch. The infighting was not as entertaining as the players found it to be and the horde never felt like a threat.
Honestly that isn't really a problem of the game mode, yes they should play it more like archenemy where you are actual allies but you can't fault the game mode for Stephens random saltiness.
honestly the reason this horde didn't feel like a threat is because it wasn't. the old horde was scary because zombies have alot of lords that just stack and stack and suddenly all those 2/2 zombie tokens are really 5/5 deathtouchers. also with the horde randomly choosing who to attack each turn it never got a chance to really squash one player into the mud like the old horde did.
Do you mean points or commander in general? Points below, commander magic.wizards.com/en/content/commander-format . +4/3/2/1 Order of Elimination. +1 First blood (combat damage). +1 Casting your Commander 4 or more times. +1 if you save another player during a game (from losing the game). +1 Killing a player with Commander damage. -1 Killing everyone in the same turn. -1 Killing the person in last place first. -1 Searching for 40 seconds & and every 30 seconds after that. -1 Not casting your Commander.
There's a lot of subtle synergies like Unwinding Clock untapping your lands and Open the Vaults or Scarecrone returning them. You can make your lands dodge removal in some cases with Ghostly Flicker. Copy one with Phyrexian Metamorph to ramp. Etc! :)
Maybe I am the outlier with this opinion, but the salt these guys have for each other and the revenge game play is fun to watch. It makes the episodes more interesting than just 4 guys playing some decks each week.
I wish they would have attacked each other more in this game. It would have made the horde slightly more powerful and would have made great banter while they each try to be the last one alive to defeat the horde and get that 4 point victory.
Can we do a reshoot of this episode where Steven is the Horde and he is the Archenemy coming after the other three for the sins of last year? =) I thought the monsters vs humans concept was great but the humans were way less scary than the zombies.
@@LaffyWaffy89 yeah I've seen a few horses decks but not leeches yet. I do have a fascination with obscure tribes and have built a few my favorites are licids and mono u nagas so far.
You guys need to bring back hidden roles. When you bring them back you should have everyone's hidden role to not let Jeremy have a creature for more than 1 turn while making Jeremy's hidden role to kill someone with commander damage.
Justin....Really. Godzilla is a "Kaiju" which in the english terminology means "monster." So sadly you lose that argument. He is classified as a "monster" and thusly any movie featuring godzilla is a "monster" movie. Bet you won't read this or acknowledge it.... bet yah.
@@7MukuroRealm you just admitted its a monster movie. Which is what he was arguing about is its not a monster movie and so it doesn't count towards monsters winning. So who are you arguing for?
@@Azraell01 You're missing the point. When Justin is talking about "monster movies" he means halloween monsters and scary horror, not citywide decimation monster movies like kaiju. It's not the appropriate genre. It would be like calling Rocky a martial arts movie like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Yes, in a technical sense, boxing is a martial art, but it's an argument that ignores the factors that make up the genre at issue itself. When Justin says it's "not a monster movie" he isn't saying that it isn't a movie with monsters in it, he's saying that it's not a horror movie with the traditional monster elements associated with the genre.
@@7MukuroRealm Thats the thing everyone agrees that its a "Monster" movie and Justin disagrees its even a monster movie. So you are reading even way more into this than anyone else. Obviously you are someone who loves reading between the lines. I have been stating its a monster movie as Kaiju translates to monster and I was arguing against his point that it isn't a monster movie which it is even by the term. So sorry but your points while good do nothing to change the point I was making.
Question: "Who cares?". It's a group of friends who enjoy playing commander with each other. They're trying out new things. Let them play. Don't like the content. Don't watch. Simple.
I hate to say it, I really do. But watching Jeremy play just pisses me off sometimes. Everyone makes mistakes- I get that. Commander players, especially. But the sheer amount of times Jeremy makes simple mistakes is just insane. Creekwood liege makes a token each of your upkeeps- not just the first three. Additionally, they don't get haste. This may seem nitpicky, but in general I find myself baffled by the choices Jeremy makes, the attitude he has (Again, I understand we have lives outside of magic and our mood can effect our playstyle), and in general the way he handles himself at the table. It's actually become a running gag that Jeremy is always last place, Jeremy always gets the short end. Yeah, a few things left up to chance have been going towards him (Certainly more than the 25% that logic would state) but there is a reason that a lot of the things that would be bad for others are lethal to him. He just makes a lot of mistakes. This isn't a rant without purpose. I truly, truly want him to excel as a player. Years playing on CMDR Vs, week after week, make me think that he truly -should- be a better player by this point. But he needs to start playing. I don't mean "Don't show up to the table unless you try your best to slaughter everyone", but more like- Try to make a few less mistakes? Even just playing safe would be more entertaining than constant errors. Just my two cents. Still love you Jeremy, and all the rest of CMDR Vs (Definitely Team Parnell, Golgari is the best!)
Gotta remember Jeremy is king of fuckimg up and missing commander triggers even just any triggers in general even after how many years of playing mtg think he would know and get better by then lol
Stephen completely screws this game up by being a petty, vindictive crybaby. I kinda wish they'd team up, attack him and once he's dead finish off the game the way it was supposed to be played.
I am increasingly suspicious that you guys actually all hate each other. Almost every episode opening feels like walking into the awkward silence after a big argument. Still, good content, feel free to continue your secret feud.
Stephen and Justin to a lesser extent made this episode pretty much unwatchable, sorry, guys. Not really sure why Jeremy needed to be dogpiled (again) during a *team* format. The horde also wasn't particularly powerful, either, considering they were able to defeat them despite all that.
To be fair, Justin had a legitimate point. Jeremy is in last place, and therefore has the least to gain from all of them making it out alive, since if that happens nothing changes in the point totals. He has a very powerful commander with lifelink and vigilance, meaning the horde is never really a legitimate threat to him, and his board state continued to get scary. Meanwhile, the others were playing decks that were thematic, but not necessarily competitive. In a situation like that, it's fairly reasonable to assume that Jeremy might use this situation to pull ahead and kill off the competition at the table. It's not like he actually killed Jeremy, either, he just tried to keep him under control, and in the end they all made it out alive. Stephen is way more culpable than Justin, while John, the guy who instigated all of this by letting Stephen die in the first place, comes out smelling like a rose.
I agree I hate when people side with Stephen n make him the victim and say how other guys bullies him like he doesn't bully other guys more often then none more than other 3 do
Bruh if I was fighting the horse and an ally just blew up 2 commanders.....I might would just pack up and head out lol. Or jist ignore the horde and target that guy
What else is new that's Stephen for u loves to be petty and salty and act like a 13 year old kid playing call of duty and dying take it out on people especially taking it out on Justin
What's wrong with old white men? If you said 'old black men,' I doubt people would be laughing. Just saying. I wish you guys just fought zombies and didn't bring politics/race into this. I watch this series to get away from that stuff.
Yes, how dare people have their own perceptions and thoughts, and how dare those thoughts influence the things they say in a casual setting? If you don't like it, go watch content more suited to your tastes. It's not like this was a 2 and half hour diatribe against white people or conservative politics, it was a single joke for all of 5 seconds. It wasn't even meant to be taken seriously. It's not like they said "white men" even though the joke was about the enemy being white humans, they specifically said "old white men" because it's an easy target for jokes. It's pretty clear that this isn't supposed to be alluding to any deeper meaning. It's just a joke. It's not like every episode they say stuff like this.
@@7MukuroRealm Yeah, I'll watch the next one. But hey, the comments section are for voicing opinions. If there aren't a ton of people down here with my opinion, then it's safe to say it's not something they should pay attention to. And even if there were, I wouldn't mind if they ignored it. I can stop watching if it becomes egregious. This is just a weird political jab to throw in there that obviously appeals to people on one side of the isle and alienates people on the other and I would really prefer that that doesn't happen. I don't want to feel like I'm being judged when I watch something like this for entertainment. That's all.
@@Umpapamowmow So? That's still their decision to make. They have every right to decide whether or not the jokes they want to tell are worth the potential loss in viewership.
@@adognamedsally Totally understandable. And again, it's not like stuff like this shows up all the time. The only times I remember were jokes about building walls and when John made the "Politics" deck. Personally I don't like political jokes in content like this either, especially if they begin to get egregious (the politics deck was a little too much) but I just sort of saw this as the kind of joke someone might crack in a liberal playgroup. As long as they don't let it get out of hand I don't mind an occasional joke every now and then, as long as it's a joke and not them actually advocating political stuff.
@@7MukuroRealm Yeah, for sure. It's not like I want them to not be themselves either. It's a weird balance, because I like their candor and the fact that they seem genuine and everything, but it's also weird when things get political. And I would hate for the video to become about SJWs vs. Conservatives or whatever, when the reason we are all here is for Magic and commander in the first place.
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They need to have a Director Kyle "archenemy" style commander fight, where Director Kyle gets to use a superpowered commander deck vs them.
Game start at 21:35
I’m loving the new thumbnail formatting you guys are going with now. Shows a lot of personality and the commanders you’re playing with.
In TRUE villainous monster fashion, they turned on each other first.
No Stephen stabbed them in the back immediately
there's just something pure about friends having banter whilst playing commander.
I personally found the revenge mode from Stephen actually kept this episode interesting, so I don't know what everyone else is complaining about.
The Horde was really kinda... nothing, and 4 turns of prep before you start getting attacked by a couple 2/1s? Y'all can do better than that! I'd love to see a horde deck and rule set designed to be a real challenge next time.
That said, still good fun. Cool themes for the decks, and a nice twist on three format.
Proposal for the next one:
* 2 - 3 rounds of prep, max
* Faster escalation
* 200 life total
* Robot or Eldrazi-themed horde created by Ali Aintrazi
* If robots, horde makes logical decisions
* If eldrazi, horde focus everything on the weakest player
I agree it added tension but it was incredibly childish of him. So when he acts like the victim it annoys people lol. Honestly Jeremy got shat on the most while he tried to do the most to the horde
@@deathpenguinjoe3644 I think Jeremy getting randomly shat on is the only proof we need that this year's horde was simply nowhere near threatening enough. They had so much time to mess around with each other because they were never really in any danger.
@@deathpenguinjoe3644 I agree Stephen acts like a child and seem like always play the victim boring n annoying hell bothers me that he bullies the other guys and everyone else side with Stephen and say how missed up and sad that other guys bullies him n what not but like in the most recent episode. Plus they won't acknowledge that he does it to them more to often
I would really like to see you guys fight off the old horde deck, where you can't attack it, you can't interact with it.... you just SURVIVE. That was my favorite episode of the Horde.
Thing is, the best deck for that sort of game wouldn't be fun to watch, since it advocates not interacting with the horde at all to win. It would probably just be a bunch of walls, fogs, and/or board wipes. Yawn.
@@7MukuroRealm I'd recommend if you haven't seen it watching the very first horde deck. The guys jobs are to poke each other just enough to get the horde to go hunt someone down. The zombies target that 1 player endlessly until they die. And the way they switch targets is to whoever is the lowest player HP wise. Go check it out! It's a pretty tense episode, and it's a blast to watch. No walls or anything like that was being played.
link?
I think the real problem with this episode in regards to the Horde strength was Jon's curses. Any X/1s were immediately killed. There was also one that required creature sacrifices. That prevented a lot of horde build up.
I know this is something they don't do often, but I'd really appreciate a horde life total somewhere in the overlay
Damn, an Epstein didn't kill himself and going after old white men reference in the same episode? Best episode just because of that.
*Looks at the time bar.*
2 and a half hours? DANG...
this is called EDh :D sometimes 4/5 hours with friends ..
Add planechase for more fun. Had a 9 hour game once. 👍
I like the horde videos but I felt like this year the horde was very weak. I also think the players should still have to finish the game after the horde dies.
My thoughts too - there wasn't much of a threat with this deck
that's cause they didn't have any lords/anthems to pump up the humans like the zombie deck did. also the token producers were all just vanilla 1/1s. and the horde was very unfocused this year randomly attacking someone every turn instead of focusing on the weakest player really nerfed it this year.
@@sw0rdhunter They did the same thing last year (randomly attacking someone) and that horde game was probably the best one they've done (first year was way too much of a snowball since the horde kept getting bigger while kicking one guy while he was down, and when he died the others couldn't do anything) so it's more just a problem of a weak deck. I'd have liked if the human horde popped out more creatures faster so it really felt like being overrun, rather than playing mechanically the same as the much better zombies. Ironically in Magic humans are the race that needs to swarm more than zombies due to their colors.
The fact Jeremy didnt play Werewolves is a travesty
It wasn't Simic+. He wouldn't be caught dead not playing simic.
Damn...Justin got me! That comment starting at like 3:35 was priceless! LOL
Jeremy coming in with the Primer reference in the outro. Respect
"The true enemy: older white men"...you get my like
Harvey Weinstein would like to know your location.
spoken like a true soy
This week on commander vs they fight boomers
Imagine playing against the horde but it's a deck of slivers.
God no....
It just starts with the indestructible sliver and the haste one and just steamroll. Maybe deathtouch by third turn.
@@days8421 first the first strike sliver, THEN the death touch sliver.
Depending on if they are put into play or cast play the first sliver
Helions would be the most scary followed by fairies then slivers
Where can I find your lists for the horde decks? I would like to play this with my playgroup!
1: click on the decklists link
2: click on "Reveal The Horde"
Looks like a pile of 2/2s, auras, and equipment. Probably pretty easy to build one of your own
@@alanrollf2856 I did build one... just wanted to see a template of the whole build. I did a knights tribal horde. it's rough lol but we beat it today actually
33:38
Or when Steven land twice in one turn :p
for reaper king the hybrid mana is all seperate so he could've with the urza's incubator, chose to pay 2 generic instead of a colored and that would get reduced essentially reducing it by one mana
Lots of comments about people being upset about Stephen in this episode, that he's being overly salty or irrational. Have you all watched their last outing against the horde? The other three watched him get dumpstered by the horde and could have easily prevented it and then Justin especially passive aggressive rubbed it in.
I understand if you don't enjoy watching salt, but understand the situation before you piss and moan without all the details.
The only one to blame is John. It's not like Justin or Jeremy could have made any sort of impact on that, all of it was in the hands of John's Constant Mists and when he decided to play or not play it.
And for the record, Steven has never done anything to John about it, but he specifically killed Justin in a later episode while calling out his "betrayal" as the motivating factor, and John has to this point never been given similar treatment. Heck, Steven was spiting against Justin and Jeremy this episode, instead of against John, the person who ACTUALLY left him for dead.
This "revenge" is really just an excuse for Steven to justify being petty towards the people he likes screwing over (usually Justin), it has nothing to do with actual retribution.
@Exarch-of-Sechrima Killing it with these reads. Lol Jon is always the problem and also the sneakiest.
Well news flash remember the horde video where Justin lost first and Stephen and Jeremy didn't do anything to help him gain more health besides Jon was helping him gain health and they just stood there and did nothing to keep him live and he didn't hold any judge in next horde video
Aww man I love Ishkanah glad to see him in.
The agitation this game is real
Oathbreaker with arachnogenesis as the signature spell must be sick
"You can't have Constant Mists in a spider deck!"
Welp, my Ishkanah deck that you guys played during this year surely had one. xD
Jon: I bet Festering Newt is an insect!
I bet the newt would disagree!
Big ups for steven green's Notorious BIG reference
Imagine a horde of Gods and Avatars. Or Slivers! Yiiiikes.
Personally, I think this would have been better if they left the Curse on the Horde, then started attacking each other to try and get the 4 points of being the last alive.
Then the Horde could have been more threatening without being so powerful that it is the only target.
Why did Steven change his commander tracker dice at 1:53:30? Doesnt seem like he should have, meaning he only cast his commander 3 times.
I’d be pleased if this horde thing didn’t come back next year. Rarely will I comment negatively but this episode was not fun to watch. The infighting was not as entertaining as the players found it to be and the horde never felt like a threat.
Honestly that isn't really a problem of the game mode, yes they should play it more like archenemy where you are actual allies but you can't fault the game mode for Stephens random saltiness.
honestly the reason this horde didn't feel like a threat is because it wasn't. the old horde was scary because zombies have alot of lords that just stack and stack and suddenly all those 2/2 zombie tokens are really 5/5 deathtouchers. also with the horde randomly choosing who to attack each turn it never got a chance to really squash one player into the mud like the old horde did.
Godzilla is LITERALLY referred to as "The King of Monsters." Dear Justin, you are wrong
Jon's beard is EPIC!!!!
You guys really gotta speed up the horde increments. was such a painfully slow watch
Eater of the Dead can be activated while it is untapped. It doesn't need to be tapped like was said in the video.
yes it can be activated multiple times but it won't do anything after the first. gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=1733
1:08:34 i started singing Hex Girls from Scooby Doo
Is there a spot where you can post all the rules for this I want to do this with my friends
dana holland Google MtG horde rules?
Do you mean points or commander in general? Points below, commander magic.wizards.com/en/content/commander-format .
+4/3/2/1 Order of Elimination.
+1 First blood (combat damage).
+1 Casting your Commander 4 or more times.
+1 if you save another player during a game (from losing the game).
+1 Killing a player with Commander damage.
-1 Killing everyone in the same turn.
-1 Killing the person in last place first.
-1 Searching for 40 seconds & and every 30 seconds after that.
-1 Not casting your Commander.
@@BushRat253 thanks Chris all the horde stuff I found didn't reference molding EDH rules into horde like they did
why the artifact lands in the reaper king ?
There's a lot of subtle synergies like Unwinding Clock untapping your lands and Open the Vaults or Scarecrone returning them. You can make your lands dodge removal in some cases with Ghostly Flicker. Copy one with Phyrexian Metamorph to ramp. Etc! :)
@@SCGCommander nice idea
Maybe I am the outlier with this opinion, but the salt these guys have for each other and the revenge game play is fun to watch. It makes the episodes more interesting than just 4 guys playing some decks each week.
not when its a team game against the horde. the whole point of horde is to mix it up and give you something more than just 4 guys playing some decks
I wish they would have attacked each other more in this game. It would have made the horde slightly more powerful and would have made great banter while they each try to be the last one alive to defeat the horde and get that 4 point victory.
Since they keep saying it’s 1998 I think they should build some decks with cards that where print in 1998 or before.
Watch this one on 1.5 speed guys.
I dont get it. Who won/lost??????
Anybody else just irritated how irrational Stephen's vengeful actions are?
I am like crazy irradiated way he acts bring back Wes and replace Stephen with him least Wes was more interested in watching and had better attitude
Stephen in the Salt Farm
Can we do a reshoot of this episode where Steven is the Horde and he is the Archenemy coming after the other three for the sins of last year? =)
I thought the monsters vs humans concept was great but the humans were way less scary than the zombies.
I like the sound of that
I wouldn't mind seeing other creatures playing the horde just other then zombies like werewolfs, vampires, hydra's even dragons stuff like that
I'm all for dragons they are one of my favorite tribes or maybe a tribe that isn't played often like leeches or horses.
@@kingfuzzy2 really leeches and horses didn't think or know they had those in mtg guess not that popular or that many compared to others I named off
@@LaffyWaffy89 yeah I've seen a few horses decks but not leeches yet. I do have a fascination with obscure tribes and have built a few my favorites are licids and mono u nagas so far.
Justin has Vindicate on demand and decides to not kill the equipment that gives the horde lifelink. Why????
Little cringy that they're being petty to each other...
Had the exact same thought.
I agree with u plus out of the 4 Stephen is the most petty the way he acts almost like a 13 year old dying in call of duty
A turn cycle is called a round
Wooo, Reaper king!
After that intro I was expecting shivan dragons and Serra angels. 😢
THE HORDE!!!
3:45 best line ever 😂😂 couldn’t stop laughing for a good few minutes
Y’all should do the tribes of innistrad next year
An hour in and the Horde is at 93 life, sigh.
You guys need to bring back hidden roles.
When you bring them back you should have everyone's hidden role to not let Jeremy have a creature for more than 1 turn while making Jeremy's hidden role to kill someone with commander damage.
A lot of "yikes" in this episode.
wow this is rough to watch the animosity from Steven really ruins this episode
If anything it made it better. The horde was never a threat
What else is new Stephen is good at that he and Jon are least favorite player of the four I wish Wes came back and took over for either of them
2x speed binge ✔
Humans were too weak an opponent you should have gone with hydras and and for X costs have X equal whatever turn cycle it entered
03:37 😂
Yusss I love it!
“Old white men” love it.
Candy corn is delicious
Justin look up Godzilla planet of the monsters on Netflix (Godzilla is indeed a monster movie)
A newt is a salamander John I know I have that card also newt
#REVENGINGTIME.
Justin had it right the first time.
Like, comment, share, subscribe, binge.....
Justin....Really. Godzilla is a "Kaiju" which in the english terminology means "monster." So sadly you lose that argument. He is classified as a "monster" and thusly any movie featuring godzilla is a "monster" movie.
Bet you won't read this or acknowledge it.... bet yah.
It doesn't matter the semantics, it loses the flavor. Godzilla isn't a halloween monster. Kaiju movies are their own genre of monster movie.
@@7MukuroRealm you just admitted its a monster movie. Which is what he was arguing about is its not a monster movie and so it doesn't count towards monsters winning. So who are you arguing for?
@@Azraell01 You're missing the point. When Justin is talking about "monster movies" he means halloween monsters and scary horror, not citywide decimation monster movies like kaiju. It's not the appropriate genre. It would be like calling Rocky a martial arts movie like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Yes, in a technical sense, boxing is a martial art, but it's an argument that ignores the factors that make up the genre at issue itself. When Justin says it's "not a monster movie" he isn't saying that it isn't a movie with monsters in it, he's saying that it's not a horror movie with the traditional monster elements associated with the genre.
@@7MukuroRealm Thats the thing everyone agrees that its a "Monster" movie and Justin disagrees its even a monster movie. So you are reading even way more into this than anyone else. Obviously you are someone who loves reading between the lines. I have been stating its a monster movie as Kaiju translates to monster and I was arguing against his point that it isn't a monster movie which it is even by the term. So sorry but your points while good do nothing to change the point I was making.
Question: "Who cares?". It's a group of friends who enjoy playing commander with each other. They're trying out new things. Let them play. Don't like the content. Don't watch. Simple.
Oh Steven...
I hate to say it, I really do.
But watching Jeremy play just pisses me off sometimes. Everyone makes mistakes- I get that. Commander players, especially. But the sheer amount of times Jeremy makes simple mistakes is just insane.
Creekwood liege makes a token each of your upkeeps- not just the first three.
Additionally, they don't get haste.
This may seem nitpicky, but in general I find myself baffled by the choices Jeremy makes, the attitude he has (Again, I understand we have lives outside of magic and our mood can effect our playstyle), and in general the way he handles himself at the table.
It's actually become a running gag that Jeremy is always last place, Jeremy always gets the short end. Yeah, a few things left up to chance have been going towards him (Certainly more than the 25% that logic would state) but there is a reason that a lot of the things that would be bad for others are lethal to him. He just makes a lot of mistakes.
This isn't a rant without purpose. I truly, truly want him to excel as a player. Years playing on CMDR Vs, week after week, make me think that he truly -should- be a better player by this point.
But he needs to start playing. I don't mean "Don't show up to the table unless you try your best to slaughter everyone", but more like- Try to make a few less mistakes? Even just playing safe would be more entertaining than constant errors.
Just my two cents. Still love you Jeremy, and all the rest of CMDR Vs (Definitely Team Parnell, Golgari is the best!)
Gotta remember Jeremy is king of fuckimg up and missing commander triggers even just any triggers in general even after how many years of playing mtg think he would know and get better by then lol
Gee, sure is fun watching Stephen ruin another episode by being a big baby.
Stephen completely screws this game up by being a petty, vindictive crybaby. I kinda wish they'd team up, attack him and once he's dead finish off the game the way it was supposed to be played.
#handsizetribal
I am increasingly suspicious that you guys actually all hate each other. Almost every episode opening feels like walking into the awkward silence after a big argument. Still, good content, feel free to continue your secret feud.
I'm only 30 mins in and I'm already annoyed by Stephens salt. It's unreasonable.
That's Stephen for u that's what he is good at I wouldn't mind if Wes came back and took his spot at least Wes was interesting to watch
Stephen showing his phenomenal intelligence as well as defiling an Ishkanah deck. I seriously wonder why that potato is still on this show.
Idk I'm still lost on it too he definitely the most boring of the bunch way he acts
Stephen and Justin to a lesser extent made this episode pretty much unwatchable, sorry, guys. Not really sure why Jeremy needed to be dogpiled (again) during a *team* format. The horde also wasn't particularly powerful, either, considering they were able to defeat them despite all that.
To be fair, Justin had a legitimate point. Jeremy is in last place, and therefore has the least to gain from all of them making it out alive, since if that happens nothing changes in the point totals. He has a very powerful commander with lifelink and vigilance, meaning the horde is never really a legitimate threat to him, and his board state continued to get scary. Meanwhile, the others were playing decks that were thematic, but not necessarily competitive. In a situation like that, it's fairly reasonable to assume that Jeremy might use this situation to pull ahead and kill off the competition at the table. It's not like he actually killed Jeremy, either, he just tried to keep him under control, and in the end they all made it out alive. Stephen is way more culpable than Justin, while John, the guy who instigated all of this by letting Stephen die in the first place, comes out smelling like a rose.
Replacing a zombie horde with the Republican Party? I like it!
@mabesch How much are you going to cry when the evil publicans win again?
Wow you could get away with saying all kinds of stuff in 1998 the internet truly was lawless back then
This is the only episode I've ever downvoted. And it's purely because of Stephen.
I agree I hate when people side with Stephen n make him the victim and say how other guys bullies him like he doesn't bully other guys more often then none more than other 3 do
#cuptribal
Old white man comment was hilarious lmao
Godzilla is the king of monsters enough said.
Bruh if I was fighting the horse and an ally just blew up 2 commanders.....I might would just pack up and head out lol. Or jist ignore the horde and target that guy
@Jojoforpres uhhh.......horse = horde😂😂 my b
dang when they gunna replace stephen with director kyle lol
Stephen was was in a bad mood from minute one and he made it every one else’s problem
What else is new that's Stephen for u loves to be petty and salty and act like a 13 year old kid playing call of duty and dying take it out on people especially taking it out on Justin
Why are you playing reaper king for 10 mana?🤦🏽♂️ you can play it for all five colors
All these soy bois
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I enjoy all your videos, but you guys REALLY need to shorten video. I skip like half your videos nowadays trying to get to the actual gameplay.
12 ads later, oh they're starting lmao
What's wrong with old white men? If you said 'old black men,' I doubt people would be laughing. Just saying.
I wish you guys just fought zombies and didn't bring politics/race into this. I watch this series to get away from that stuff.
Yes, how dare people have their own perceptions and thoughts, and how dare those thoughts influence the things they say in a casual setting? If you don't like it, go watch content more suited to your tastes. It's not like this was a 2 and half hour diatribe against white people or conservative politics, it was a single joke for all of 5 seconds. It wasn't even meant to be taken seriously. It's not like they said "white men" even though the joke was about the enemy being white humans, they specifically said "old white men" because it's an easy target for jokes. It's pretty clear that this isn't supposed to be alluding to any deeper meaning. It's just a joke. It's not like every episode they say stuff like this.
@@7MukuroRealm Yeah, I'll watch the next one. But hey, the comments section are for voicing opinions. If there aren't a ton of people down here with my opinion, then it's safe to say it's not something they should pay attention to. And even if there were, I wouldn't mind if they ignored it. I can stop watching if it becomes egregious. This is just a weird political jab to throw in there that obviously appeals to people on one side of the isle and alienates people on the other and I would really prefer that that doesn't happen. I don't want to feel like I'm being judged when I watch something like this for entertainment. That's all.
@@Umpapamowmow So? That's still their decision to make. They have every right to decide whether or not the jokes they want to tell are worth the potential loss in viewership.
@@adognamedsally Totally understandable. And again, it's not like stuff like this shows up all the time. The only times I remember were jokes about building walls and when John made the "Politics" deck. Personally I don't like political jokes in content like this either, especially if they begin to get egregious (the politics deck was a little too much) but I just sort of saw this as the kind of joke someone might crack in a liberal playgroup. As long as they don't let it get out of hand I don't mind an occasional joke every now and then, as long as it's a joke and not them actually advocating political stuff.
@@7MukuroRealm Yeah, for sure. It's not like I want them to not be themselves either. It's a weird balance, because I like their candor and the fact that they seem genuine and everything, but it's also weird when things get political. And I would hate for the video to become about SJWs vs. Conservatives or whatever, when the reason we are all here is for Magic and commander in the first place.
Boring
MAGA horde