I’m going to craft a bipod rocket launcher and test it in GMs. 25% damage penalty for greatly increased reserves might be worth it there since even a 75% damage rocket will clear ads well with pack hunter. Sorry to hear you lost your job. Wish you luck if you try for a new one, but otherwise I look forward to more content from you!
That's what I was thinking when I initally saw bipod and did the math myself, not great for bosses but if you have a ghorn on your gm team you can do some searious room clearing
i cant remember if you covered it, but an umnetioned benefit of bipod is that is reduces your fire delay by 25%! helps the dps a little bit, but still a bad perk tbh, and thats not even including the reload and blast radius penalties
I can see 2 bipods with a gally in GM's and nightfall activities to be useful as that should kill champs with ease and you then get to keep your resist mods on your chest. Having all that extra damage from (ie. explosive light) in a GM to kill something you may just be able to kill with a bipod rocket is a good scenario where ammo is more useful than Total dps
It would also be good for bursting down champions in lost sectors. Being able to load 4 rockets on an Apex Predator with a 25% reduction instead of 40% might make it viable.
Good video in Theorie, but with how wolfpacks behave, a lot of these numbers are close to pointless. As a reference you can check out aegis dps spreadsheet (oh just watched the whole video and you are using him as a reference aswell, anyways, leaving this comment here to push the algorithm)
@@endermat99-9envious assassins buff up to 150% of your mag size And the origin trait is giving you one instant reload (2more rockets) So you have a big mag size yes
The rocket itself does increased damage. But the wolfpack rounds themselves don't get the damage increase. Whereas with BnS. Both the rocket and wolfpack rounds deal increased damage
For me bipod is an ease of use perk. Just dump 4 rockets, and switch to a shoty or a fusion, then switch again and you would have 3-2 or even the 4 rockets again. I tested it in nezarec and although my total damage wasnt as high as others, still got to the 2,800,000. Its a good perk for beginers
Just my thoughts i use supremacy and apex. Both with bas rewind rounds on supremacy, and reconstruction on apex. My rotation goes rocket primary sniper all 7 shots, rocket rocket 5 sniper shots. Then one rocket that is when bas ends. Have used this build in watcher been top in both final boss dps.
I need this vid. Watching right this second :) Bipod roll for GM champs Surprising how well clown cartridge keeps up with the meta Bait and switch/ Witherhoard will be king DPS by the sounds of it or Izzy
Something I want to test for myself at some point is if Cluster Bombs receive the damage nerf of Bipod or not. I've been looking into CB+BP on Braytech for awhile because from testing I've seen it seems like Clusters might not be affected by the damage nerf, meaning the 6% might functionally be more like 12% or so before the Bipod buff. Its also a void rocket, so the pairing of bipod+clusters together might actually make effective use of volatile rounds. Bipod overall loses to clown cartridge by a mile when manually reloading, but Bipod seems to be intended for pairing auto loading perks such as Echo of Domineering, Thread of Ascent, Marksmans Dodge, Reconstruction, etc. In exchange for syngergizing better, it does 25% less damage. Right now the truth is that the existing rocket dps meta is simply far and away too dominant and broken for something balanced like this to make an impact on raid boss damage, but I think the perks utility for dropping majors in higher level pve content might be worth it.
Volatile rounds really aren't that big of dps boost anymore, it can only be applied and procd once per second so the amount of damage it can add is limited to that of a single detonation.
@@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv one of bungies weaker decisions 😔 but it still works well with clusters suprisingly from experience, just not as well as it would've before bungie killed volatile
bipod only gets intzeresting if u pair it with envious assassin, (dungeon rocket) , so u would dump 6 rockets in 1 mag, wich shortens ur total time for mag dumping significantly
I would like to point out that you're missing some crucial information by only relying on on-screen damage numbers. Look at the recent findings of Llama and Aegis that utilize the boss healthbar for damage calculations. For a short summary: 1. Pack Hunter/Wolfpack Hunter seems to grow in effectivness the more rockets are actively fired at a boss. This means that BnS scales even harder than you showed here. 2. While the on-screen damage numbers don't show it, BnS seems to proc on the first rocket that hits, meaning there's no split in the DPS of BnS rockets between buffed and unbuffed rockets.
@@itztizzle Fair. Sorry for not watching the whole video before commenting, because you adress my first point and make the same conclusion as me. The second point still stands though. I am not entirely sure in which video exactly Aegis discussed this, but I am certain he didn't do it in the one you mentioned in the video. But it also just cements the conclusion that BnS is best, it just widdens the gap even further between the different perk options.
star eater scales with the hunter arc ult (throw lightning rod), reload dodge and a clown cartridge hothead, lets you shit out like 1.5 million damage in 5 seconds. For short dmg phases cant think of anything better
@@rissyrissy7952 it's a one and done super and also one of if not the highest overall damage super, buffed by 70% with feast of light x4.... how do u figure that to be ass during a dps phase?
@@saelmezrait wouldn't be bad but a blade barrage for short dps would likely be better because instead of doing sustained tick damage like gathering storm it does all of its damage at once
Also I'm pretty sure the absolute highest burst dps setup theoretically would be solar hunter with feast 4 blade barrage swapping to rdm reloaded cold comfort with 3 ammo from envious and the origin trait procked while buffed by gjally and balladorse gauntlets on stasis warlock
A shame bi-pod is so niche. Maybe it should've never been made honestly lol. The only way I can see it be somewhat useful is by using it in King's Fall with Oryx combined with the new ToM buffs coming. A full team of goobers with toms buffing each other and then dumping rockets after a special tom attack could be somewhat fun.
Here me out if you have demo and bipod the burst dps is kinda nuts if you have something like young akhamara spine or star fire or strand dps for something like normal everyday strikes GMs planets but longer dps is a no go
Man DPS numbers feel almost meaningless now that I know that Wolfpack rounds glitch out in larger fire teams and create damage out of thin air that won't show up on anyone's end of activity screen. It makes stuff like Explosive light and Impact casing almost meaningless, not buffing the Wolfpack rounds just kinda tanks how much they give you, I think Frenzy is actually better for damage in a 5x legendary+Gally than 5x explosive light. But we may never know the numbers because wolfpack is crazy and the engine is dumb
so for cold comfort and apex predator nothing changes, they are still king (wich is good cause i have both godrolls ha), also not to forget next season envious assassin is getting buffed
I think aegis's dps vids have ruined my ability to watch most other damage test videos, atleast for rockets, for fully accurate numbers Id want to see the level of true damage testing aegis did, which are isn't reasonable for most creators, im curious to see where bipod sits on his spreadsheet next season
@@itztizzle I figured out why I dislike it, because it's stasis. N I'm running 3 different elements for weapons n surges n siphons... The synergy sucks.
I’m going to craft a bipod rocket launcher and test it in GMs. 25% damage penalty for greatly increased reserves might be worth it there since even a 75% damage rocket will clear ads well with pack hunter.
Sorry to hear you lost your job. Wish you luck if you try for a new one, but otherwise I look forward to more content from you!
Thank you! And yes, that could be the use case. More as an add clear rocket launcher than for DPS.
no its not, when you can get infinite ammo with ceno or aeons
That's what I was thinking when I initally saw bipod and did the math myself, not great for bosses but if you have a ghorn on your gm team you can do some searious room clearing
I agree. I think bipod is more cratered for GM's and champions specifically.
I would use it as an adclear rocket if bipod didnt kill the blast radius.
i cant remember if you covered it, but an umnetioned benefit of bipod is that is reduces your fire delay by 25%! helps the dps a little bit, but still a bad perk tbh, and thats not even including the reload and blast radius penalties
This was super helpful! Sorry to hear about the job, but looking forward to seeing videos. I’d love to see how Touch of Malice is after the buff
I can see 2 bipods with a gally in GM's and nightfall activities to be useful as that should kill champs with ease and you then get to keep your resist mods on your chest. Having all that extra damage from (ie. explosive light) in a GM to kill something you may just be able to kill with a bipod rocket is a good scenario where ammo is more useful than Total dps
It would also be good for bursting down champions in lost sectors. Being able to load 4 rockets on an Apex Predator with a 25% reduction instead of 40% might make it viable.
Sorry to hear about your job, but best of luck going forward!
Thank you
Such an underrated UA-camr dude. Killer breakdown thanks so much for the attention to detail 👍
Thank you! You bet!
Hey man, could you do a ToM dmg test too? To my calculation you could get up to 50k dps (including surges and the blight debuff)
Good video in Theorie, but with how wolfpacks behave, a lot of these numbers are close to pointless. As a reference you can check out aegis dps spreadsheet (oh just watched the whole video and you are using him as a reference aswell, anyways, leaving this comment here to push the algorithm)
The 7 rockets of env bipod could end up doing weird dps tbh
7?
Yeah it really might. imagine 5 people unloading this. The damage chunks might shoot up to above that recorded 80% winterbite v2
@@endermat99-9envious assassins buff up to 150% of your mag size
And the origin trait is giving you one instant reload (2more rockets)
So you have a big mag size yes
@@leflashblanc8166 oh yeah didn't account for restoration ritual. I had braytech osprey in my head cuz I have the envious + bipod roll
@@beni1429they said they fixed all the damage chunking bugs
Thanks for the great video! You mentioned wolfpack doesn't buff explosive light tho how come you used it in the dps test?
The rocket itself does increased damage. But the wolfpack rounds themselves don't get the damage increase. Whereas with BnS. Both the rocket and wolfpack rounds deal increased damage
I went solo flawless in GOTD thanks to your guide. Keep your head up.
Amazing! Glad the guide helped! :)
For me bipod is an ease of use perk. Just dump 4 rockets, and switch to a shoty or a fusion, then switch again and you would have 3-2 or even the 4 rockets again. I tested it in nezarec and although my total damage wasnt as high as others, still got to the 2,800,000. Its a good perk for beginers
Yes I would agree. What it lacks in damage output, it makes up for with simple ease of use
Just my thoughts i use supremacy and apex. Both with bas rewind rounds on supremacy, and reconstruction on apex. My rotation goes rocket primary sniper all 7 shots, rocket rocket 5 sniper shots. Then one rocket that is when bas ends. Have used this build in watcher been top in both final boss dps.
I need this vid. Watching right this second :)
Bipod roll for GM champs
Surprising how well clown cartridge keeps up with the meta
Bait and switch/ Witherhoard will be king DPS by the sounds of it or Izzy
Yeah bipod might be good for GM champs. But with the prevalence of orbs, explosive light does almost just as well with a single rocket shot
@@itztizzle I wish the debuff to bipod was only around 15% or even 10%. the perk is still undercooked I think
@@Chablo91 agreed!
I appreciate your research. Ty great stuff. I have all these perks on 3 different cold comfort 1 on each class. I enjoy the set ups with them.
Something I want to test for myself at some point is if Cluster Bombs receive the damage nerf of Bipod or not. I've been looking into CB+BP on Braytech for awhile because from testing I've seen it seems like Clusters might not be affected by the damage nerf, meaning the 6% might functionally be more like 12% or so before the Bipod buff. Its also a void rocket, so the pairing of bipod+clusters together might actually make effective use of volatile rounds.
Bipod overall loses to clown cartridge by a mile when manually reloading, but Bipod seems to be intended for pairing auto loading perks such as Echo of Domineering, Thread of Ascent, Marksmans Dodge, Reconstruction, etc. In exchange for syngergizing better, it does 25% less damage. Right now the truth is that the existing rocket dps meta is simply far and away too dominant and broken for something balanced like this to make an impact on raid boss damage, but I think the perks utility for dropping majors in higher level pve content might be worth it.
Volatile rounds really aren't that big of dps boost anymore, it can only be applied and procd once per second so the amount of damage it can add is limited to that of a single detonation.
@@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv one of bungies weaker decisions 😔 but it still works well with clusters suprisingly from experience, just not as well as it would've before bungie killed volatile
Footage of old starfire makes me wanna cry…
why
The rockets that proc bns are buffed, they don't show the number in wipe or on the boss, but they move the boss bar the same which is the true number.
Sorry to hear about your job, man.
Great video though, happily subbed!
bipod only gets intzeresting if u pair it with envious assassin, (dungeon rocket) , so u would dump 6 rockets in 1 mag, wich shortens ur total time for mag dumping significantly
I would like to point out that you're missing some crucial information by only relying on on-screen damage numbers. Look at the recent findings of Llama and Aegis that utilize the boss healthbar for damage calculations. For a short summary:
1. Pack Hunter/Wolfpack Hunter seems to grow in effectivness the more rockets are actively fired at a boss. This means that BnS scales even harder than you showed here.
2. While the on-screen damage numbers don't show it, BnS seems to proc on the first rocket that hits, meaning there's no split in the DPS of BnS rockets between buffed and unbuffed rockets.
Watch the whole video
@@itztizzle Fair. Sorry for not watching the whole video before commenting, because you adress my first point and make the same conclusion as me. The second point still stands though. I am not entirely sure in which video exactly Aegis discussed this, but I am certain he didn't do it in the one you mentioned in the video. But it also just cements the conclusion that BnS is best, it just widdens the gap even further between the different perk options.
star eater scales with the hunter arc ult (throw lightning rod), reload dodge and a clown cartridge hothead, lets you shit out like 1.5 million damage in 5 seconds. For short dmg phases cant think of anything better
? gathering storm in a short dps is ass bro
moron, with 4x boost from the exotic boots its 1 million damage in one Q press@@rissyrissy7952
@@rissyrissy7952 it's a one and done super and also one of if not the highest overall damage super, buffed by 70% with feast of light x4.... how do u figure that to be ass during a dps phase?
@@saelmezrait wouldn't be bad but a blade barrage for short dps would likely be better because instead of doing sustained tick damage like gathering storm it does all of its damage at once
Also I'm pretty sure the absolute highest burst dps setup theoretically would be solar hunter with feast 4 blade barrage swapping to rdm reloaded cold comfort with 3 ammo from envious and the origin trait procked while buffed by gjally and balladorse gauntlets on stasis warlock
A shame bi-pod is so niche. Maybe it should've never been made honestly lol.
The only way I can see it be somewhat useful is by using it in King's Fall with Oryx combined with the new ToM buffs coming. A full team of goobers with toms buffing each other and then dumping rockets after a special tom attack could be somewhat fun.
should've been tripod maybe, 3 rockets would've made a bigger difference
I love using cold comfort on hunter. So fun. Cant wait for buff!
Here me out if you have demo and bipod the burst dps is kinda nuts if you have something like young akhamara spine or star fire or strand dps for something like normal everyday strikes GMs planets but longer dps is a no go
Man DPS numbers feel almost meaningless now that I know that Wolfpack rounds glitch out in larger fire teams and create damage out of thin air that won't show up on anyone's end of activity screen. It makes stuff like Explosive light and Impact casing almost meaningless, not buffing the Wolfpack rounds just kinda tanks how much they give you, I think Frenzy is actually better for damage in a 5x legendary+Gally than 5x explosive light. But we may never know the numbers because wolfpack is crazy and the engine is dumb
If it doesn’t affect the Wolfpack round damage then in I would consider using it.
Bipod needs to be reworked to become tripod if it wants to complete.
so for cold comfort and apex predator nothing changes, they are still king (wich is good cause i have both godrolls ha), also not to forget next season envious assassin is getting buffed
Bro if they ever added bipod + lasting impression, you could spear everything
I think aegis's dps vids have ruined my ability to watch most other damage test videos, atleast for rockets, for fully accurate numbers Id want to see the level of true damage testing aegis did, which are isn't reasonable for most creators, im curious to see where bipod sits on his spreadsheet next season
Instant sub, great video
A good buff for bipod would have been when reconstruction activates it loads 2 instead of 1
Adept Hothead with Field Clown is still good? Feelsgoodman
Thanks for the breakdown, sorry that you lost your job.
My issue with Bipod I wanna use it strictly for the extra rockets in my pockets ya know lmao.
So I have an Adept Braytech Osprey with Adept Big ones with Envious assassin and field prep trait and Bipod ! do you think this might be meta?
The math just says no it’s not good enough
I have impact casing envious n bipod on cold comfort, still sucks 0 blast radius
How many rockets can it hold in one mag? 5?
@@itztizzle 5
@@chunk9441 Amazing! And then you get a 6th with restoration ritual. That is pretty decent tbh
@@itztizzle it will be better tomorrow after the envious chamge.. it was really hard to get all the kill stacks solo nevermind in a raid group.
@@itztizzle I figured out why I dislike it, because it's stasis. N I'm running 3 different elements for weapons n surges n siphons... The synergy sucks.
THHHHHAAAAAAANK YOUUUU!!!!!!
All my homies hate Bipod.
Izanagi with BnS hits hard, but I'm going to try pairing Bipod+Reconstruction with Cloudstrike next season to see if it's worth the effort
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Short Answer : No. Don't waste your time
i thought gjally scaled based on how many rockets are shooting, i could be waffling tho
it does. the testing he showed was off. around 30% increase with 1 rocket shooting and 80% with 5 shooting.
Yes which I say in the video
If you have enhanced reconstruction on apex, by waiting a little bit after reloading it you will have 2 rockets in your mag
No....quick answer cause its a perk that actively slowers your damage just for more ammo it's pointless in my opinion
Algorithm
stills weak
Fck I deleted my bipod rpg
if the rocket shot procs b&s it will be full damage