The fact that 1 man can fix one of the endgames largest issues and a 300 person dev team hasn’t been able to figure it out for 10 years is exactly why the game is on life support.
It's not that they can't. They have 0 incentive to do so. De only takes credits from the game during the trade. After the initial plat purchase why would we care anymore. They made their money and make the prem currency tradeable only so it's not " pay to win"
I can't deny there's a correlation between my career path and my sense of awe when I realize how I can capitalize on making in-game currency from auction house in a game call World of Warcraft 18+yrs ago.
I find it interesting how Warframe is pretty anti-capitalistic in its messaging but has what is essentially a smaller scale simulation of capitalism with trading.
This is an insane video 😭 I’m playing Warframe first time again in like 10 years and I come back to see a video of a dude applying real life stock methodology to a video game and making actual profit, ur crazy dude keep up the good work! Great video editing also, super high quality work here 👍
I was considering writing a program to do exactly this a couple months ago but ultimately decided that I'd rather spend my time running missions instead of trading. Seeing the results of someone who actually committed the idea is very interesting, and this video has really helped me appreciate how trading itself can be its own engaging game. Thank you for giving me a new perspective on a part of Warframe I've only ever engaged with on a surface level.
good job bro, at one point in time I also had similar thought and after some time I reached highest mastery rank right now LR3, and I don't want to farm anything specifically so if I farm something passively then I will sell it otherwise not gonna bother.
Similar story here. I used to make a lot of plat back in the days trading, e.g. buying certain things before they got vaulted and so on. But tbh. the time you spend there is just not worth it that much. I actually later made insane amounts of plats (or more than I could imagine ever needing at least) just selling corrupted and nightmare mods I got as duplicate while farming certain mods for myself. I enjoyed farming stuff, felt much better when I actually dropped it than if I had just bought it from the market and was able to make loads of plats in the meantime. Especially with a very good group of players farming stuff was a blast and super fast. I feel like if I traded in warframe I would much rather work the same time and probably buy the same amount of plat and still have made actual real money on top of that while possibly doing something useful for society if I e.g. make it through tutoring.
Something similar to the daily trades point is also relevant for people who don't enjoy actively trading. Farm a ton and occasionally look for big ticket purchases that can be safely flipped, then occasionally sell anything big. If you're not in the buying and selling business as much, you can even save time by just selling somewhat low. That difference (the spread) is much less relevant if you're not trying to turn profits, the relative and absolute gain in plat you'd get for bothering is lower. Another tip for selling quickly and easily is to simply farm everything, and make it clear in your message that you'll have what people need, they'll save their own effort spent looking for someone offering their specific needs.
This is more my style. I actually enjoy being the person that elevates noobs. I also just really enjoy seeing how fast I can do missions. Cuz of this when I'm avidly playing I literally can't sell my stock fast enough. I'm also one of those that is completely fine only making ~200 plat most days.
UA-cam algorithm brought me here and boy did I ever love this video. More of this kind of stuff please! As a professional game economy designer I think your approach here is really smart, and as a non-warframe player I was still able to follow along and understand exactly what you're talking about An extra consideration to add to your list as to why this won't likely constitute a ban is the built in restrictions on trading each day that is already built into the game. This limit helps prevent a massive race to the bottom and should afford the team ample time to react to imbalances in the economy.
Thank you so much! That's really my goal with most things I program, they only really stay interesting for me if I can apply them to something tangible.
As a newbie to trading, this kinda stuff is actual magic. Also, any game with trading for premium currency will eventually have something like this, markets and stuff tend to pull investor/day trader types.
This is actually interesting and that you did answer two questions I immediately thought of. You did say I might not need a huge capital of plat to start off this trading journey, but I am a bit of a conservative trader and I only trade when I have to for stuff I want to buy and I need for building frames, and I am a bit hesitant lol.
This is pretty cool Assuming I interpreted the video correctly this program automates (to a degree) the manual scramble of me seeing someone put a WTB in chat and me checking warframe market for the price to see if buying it from WFM and selling it to the trade chat bid is profitable but the program is checking WFM for both WTB and WTS and it’s doing it at a faster rate than me skimming trade chat and typing into WFM This is really cool. You mentioned that you liked the process of making the video and programming more than hoarding the program to yourself, might I ask if you’d be interested in making more programs either for warframe or elsewhere and perhaps talk more about the actual process of programming maybe in the same or separate videos. I’m a uni student and I find it really interesting to see how people make programs, particularly those in actually interested in like this one.
Yep I think you did interpret that correctly :) I'm a little burnt from making this one currently but I'm open to hearing your idea if you shoot me a dm on discord.
This was really interesting to watch. I just started to get back into the game after not playing for 4 ish years, and it's crazy to see what the community has done
Oh man I'm so happy I came across this. Thank you for the interesting video along with the great explanation! I've thought about doing high frequency trading in real life before and I've done tons of in-game market trading and your video is the only that makes it stick in my head! It totally makes sense now. Thank you!!
Its not brilliant, lol. Its incredibly sad and pathetic. Dude's life must be so fucking empty to take a looter shooter and do this kind of shit for the game. Another example of why the no-life traders for this game are the worst part of the community, somehow beating out the uber-meta circlejerkers. If you want to spend this much time of your life making a game into a fucking job, go play EVE Online, you'll fit right in with the other "play to work" brainlets.
This is super fascinating to me. I am also very into the WF market as well as a software dev so this definitely hits all the marks for me. +1 sub and I'll be checking out this program as well! Well done!
i love when different stuff i like get merged to make something cool, this is such a cool way of merging economics, CS an the clusterfuck which is the warframe trading market
I randomly stumbled on this video (thanks UA-cam algorithm) and I loved it. I'm not really that interested in markets and trading, but this was really interesting and how you speak and the video editing made it really enjoyable. Congrats on making such a well thought program!
This is so fucking cool to see. Warframe has such a unique trading experience and I'm glad someone is pushing it even further. I'd probably get sick of running Profit Taker though.
Thank you for this video! Very intersting and informative, and I love grinding trading in all games that have it. I will make sure to share it with everyone!
Really interesting watch, and I applaud your efforts. I am interested to see what's going to happen to the market with cross save and trades coming as well
ive never been a fan of economics, programming, or business in my life but this video is inspiring me. i dont think i’ll would be able to automate trading on my account (playstation and j have no plat) so i will continue the old unreliable day trading method and watch in wonder at the power of efficiency instead :) good luck with future things!
That's a really, really good video. Also a reminder that I need to farm some more to catch up with the game. Had a 1.5 year break because I'm waiting for Cross-Save, since I started on Xone, which has now become a powerpoint presentation.
I don't play this game, god knows how I got here, but I commend you on this program. You are truly the inspiration I needed to keep pushing my own skills!
I knew nothing about any of this. Meaning, how the market worked and such. But, I was happy that I picked Arcane Grace in the example. Not necessarily for every point made though. My thinking was it's bid and ask are so close that it would be constantly being traded. Anyhoo, as I finish patting myself on the back, I have to admit that I didn't realize how intricate this all is! I've been gaming since the Atari days. And Warframe is the only game that has so much going on with little explanation. That if people didn't make UA-cam videos on so many things I would just be lost and guessing what to do with what. I'm STILL doing that in some aspects. Yet, I see the value in this game. It's been years since its debut. Yet, on a daily basis 40k people are playing it! That's just genius in game making and development. Anyhoo again, thanks for making this video. I rarely like paywall games. And try my best not to spend any money on them. But like Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (and soon 2024), I have to admit, I'm happy to pay a little here and there. Great video and information! Thank you!
Tbh the real bottleneck with trades will be credits eventually. I traded for years & ended up spending all my time either in the dojo or farming credits. Hence why relative profit is kinda relevant. I love that you provide such a program for everyone :) I also created a riven oriented program & website back then for people to use!
this is awesome. I've been doing this by hand, and tbh never had the time to write a program for this even tho I know how to and have thought about it lol... kudos sir! :)
I'm probably one of the few people this video is going to be recommended to but this tool seems great. I'm going to give it a shot later today and see whats up. I also recall seing your name on wfm when I was trying to do this by hand.
Great video. When i saw this, i couldn't believe such a small channel had made it. You have so much potential, and i can't see what you decide to do next. hopefully, the number of people that start using this doesn't start to make it ineffective.
Thanks so much! It has a decent few users now and still seems to be largely effective. Slightly less so than when I was using it but overall still lots of profits to be made through it.
Really inspiring to see this being done. Always had an idea of it in my head but don't have the technical know how nor the business acumen for it, so it's really amazing to see someone manifest this! Great work and mad respect!
This is actually so cool, I always love it when people use math and automation to give themselves unfair advantages. Very inspiring! Would love to know what kinda educational materials you hang around with to be able to come up with stuff like these. Please continue!
I never, in all my days as a Warframe veteran, expected to see such an informative video about trading. Like, this is some real shit... wow. And releasing the app to the public? You clearly don't spend enough time "no-life'ing" this game... Great work!😯
It's psychotic is what it is, this man and his app (if it gets traction) will result in a ban for him and another nerf to trading. DE does not like market exploitation and will eradicate it by any means necessary, releasing this video is a death sentence for this man and possibly many others. DE doesn't mess around, if this fucks with their graphs they will fuck us.
What would be really interesting is if your orbiter had a section for putting in your excess that you want to trade off, or accept requests for what you want. Then, the game matches things up and does the trades for you. When you go check it later, it'll show you what's been completed and you can snag them. Make things a LOT simpler and a LOT faster.
This is amazing work, love the use of OCR to get notifications. I don't have a source, but I only recently started using wfinfo and had similar concerns about getting banned for screenshot recognition/overlay. I remember looking into it and reading somewhere on an official Warframe forum that the devs were fine with the use of wfinfo. So you should be golden here 👍
This game put a lot of effort making us hate the Corpus and their greed (MORE LIKE DESIRE) mindset, but in the end every warframe trader follows the steps of Parvos Granum
Interesting video, all I do to make Platinum is Buying Relics in bulk, open the bad relics, and Rad the relics with uncommon/rare Warframe parts. I always have a set ready to sell to make my plat I spent on relics.
Warframe easily has the best trading mechanics of any video game out there imo, incredible game, so deep and diverse, there’s just so much you can do in this game.
It definitely could use a market where people could list items they want to sell for x amount rather than forcing everyone to do individual trades in person, but it is a good system.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND i agree this could work but the way its done now is also really good; if there was a market like that i think trading would become *too* convenient if you know what i mean? like the part where you have to go trade individually is precisely what keeps the system in check. any more convenience and new traders would struggle to make profits early on at all
@@cryo7847 Eh, I guess, but since you can always just grind arcanes or relics getting plat to start isn't too difficult. I also play a game with an auction house market like I described, and its quite easy to make profits buying low and selling high, its just far more convenient.
As a person who doesn't like making deals just because of the social aspect - I won't be using this. However, you did great work and deserve recognition. Here's a comment for the YT algorithm.
This is what the internet was made for. One of the worst things ever is sitting and waiting for multiple AFK traders to finally appear to sell an item you want.
Fantastic video mate, super informative and easy to follow. I've been doing this manually in game on Xbox for a while now and my friends always ask me how I have 1000+ plat consistently despite spending frequently. Once you grasp the base concepts of trading and economics, there is a LOT of plat to made, with very minimal effort being needed. Keep up the good work!
the trading process itself isn't automated for it to be automated you'd also need OCR to read whispers and their contents, something that will automatically control the mouse and keyboard inputs to open the whisper to read the contents, invite the person, initiate the trade (with OCR probably needed to determine when the person has loaded in), pick the correct item (accounting for a hypothetical duplicate, where you're selling, let's say, a primed mod, but also have your own copy of that mod, and need to pick the right one and deal with the warning pop-up if you pick your copy), check that the person is offering the right amount of plat (vice versa if you're the one buying), ready up, wait for the other person to ready up, and finally accept then you also need to automate the process of updating the app's info on your inventory
idk why i didnt clarify originally, but... automating the _trade itself_ (replying to offers -> inviting -> trading) is strictly against the EULA. the automation that Yelbuzz _actually did_ is 100% allowed. also, iirc i did check the EULA before commenting to make sure i wasnt spreading misinformation. i apologize to anyone who misunderstood what i meant.
Thanks so much! Would definitely encourage making applied programs like this even if it might seem like the knowledge required is too much to do so. It ends up being good for learning no matter how far you take it.
so you're saying someone with this program was the one buying up all the fulmin prime sets out from under my nose the other day when I was trying to get hands on one.
all that programming took a lot of effort. the fact that you did a frontend to manage everything and even got to the point of using CV2 for image recognition to then ping your phone for notifications shows how committed you were to the project. Glad it payed off
This is why i never trade... I only sell... too much stuff to do and standing in dojo just waiting and checking the page for item drops price or something... its tedious... I only Sell stuff i find and its enough for me ... This program can help but for me the only help i need is a way to put my warframe selling in marroo bazzar and go to bed... that way i come back and check my "personal Shop" and its full... full of items or full of plat who knows...
Honestly this is legit and I’m happy to see something like this as players find solutions outside of game for in game goals. But more so as someone who wanted to learn coding it’s really fascinating just hearing about the steps and thought process you used to work up solutions.
No ill-will to you, really like this vid and you aren't really the issue, its more deeply rooted, but this is exactly why I left warframe trading and later the game entirely about 4 -5 years ago. The market was no longer a bazaar like tug-of-war fight to sell to customers among the competition of other buyers, rather than the market being completely out of back and forth selling communications and completely lacking personality. Was really interesting when I actually came to have regular customers and many sellers I could trust. Now it's just a big stock market that needs to be gamed rather than played
Yeah, I definitely understand what you mean. I can also acknowledge that I'm contributing to the acceleration of that scenario. However, I kind of feel like it's where most open player to player markets in games end up, and it's more of an "if not me, then who?" type of situation. And as you've said, Warframe is like a decade old now so it's definitely been a while since there's been much personability in the market. Thanks for watching :)
@@yelbuzz That's a good way to frame it yeah. And it isn't inherently bad that there isn't much personality in trading anymore. After all people are there for something, not someone. Most players don't care and likely vastly prefer how trading is now, its just where i found community and enjoyment previously.
Be careful of parvos granum! Jokes aside, if you ever make a follow up video on this, i would recommend raising a ticket with DE regarding the legality of taking real time scan. They will either confirm its ok as long as you are not letting a software play their game or tell you their corporate response that do it at your own risk. In either case, them not telling you that this is illegal directly will be huge plus.
I’m not that Econ brained, but I do wonder what the ramifications on the games market would be if this became widespread. Seems like one of those things that would only work well if I was a well kept secret.
As he says in the end: it decreases spread and increases liquidity, making the market more usable for the consumers while it becomes less profitable for the traders.
I have developed this kind of tool on almost all the games I've played that had auction house or something similar, when the tools are mostly kept private the users become extremely rich and dominate the market, when the tools are available to everyone it simply averages and it's much more difficult to profit. Specifically for Warframe I made two tools, one similar to the one on this video for daily use to keep up with the expenses and the other one to profit on a very specific moment on the game history on which I became absurdly rich by flipping with more than 5k potential profit each day.
While I don't participate in trading that often i found this video very informative and interesting it was a nice look into trading in warframe, just wanted to leave a comment saying good job
The fact that 1 man can fix one of the endgames largest issues and a 300 person dev team hasn’t been able to figure it out for 10 years is exactly why the game is on life support.
It's not that they can't. They have 0 incentive to do so. De only takes credits from the game during the trade. After the initial plat purchase why would we care anymore. They made their money and make the prem currency tradeable only so it's not " pay to win"
not fixed by design
They are selling platinum for real money why would they ever want to make making plat this easy an actual in-game feature?
they still cant fix the other, much more important issues, thats the real reason the game is on life support.
the fact that we don't have a market in-game system(trade chat sucks so doesn't count) and the need to use a 3rd party website is exactly the problem
Damn, the new Corpus story mode looks pretty wild
This comment is underrated.
Fashion frame might be endgame for some. but for some its PlatFrame. :)
Corpus lore
Warframe: Stockbroker
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when you play warframe so much
you start to understand demand and supply chains, markets, statistics, and become a bussinessman
I can't deny there's a correlation between my career path and my sense of awe when I realize how I can capitalize on making in-game currency from auction house in a game call World of Warcraft 18+yrs ago.
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I've earned a stupid amount of platinum
After you spend hours in trade chat it comes naturally
@@spritemon98how much?
so guys, this game is where you play as a space ninja.
So guys this game is where you treat the market like real life and ignore any gameplay to look at grofit.
this feels like the epitome of "doing real life work... but not in real life" I love it lol.
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I was one of your trades. It's amazing how I suddenly stumble upon this, and having been part of its results. No other game has done that for me. Wow.
That's awesome! UA-cam Algorithm working well for once hehe
Programming and business/stats both in warframe. That's three birds with one stone, absolutely amazing video.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!
HFT is already a very big thing. But i agree, not as calmly presented as this video.
hahahhaha, not even one besides wf trading, lmao
I find it interesting how Warframe is pretty anti-capitalistic in its messaging but has what is essentially a smaller scale simulation of capitalism with trading.
It's a strange sensation to trade my blueprints for plat
A completely Laissez-faire in game market is about as capitalist as it gets hah
Who cares
I care
@@nickr1246 who asked?
This is an insane video 😭 I’m playing Warframe first time again in like 10 years and I come back to see a video of a dude applying real life stock methodology to a video game and making actual profit, ur crazy dude keep up the good work! Great video editing also, super high quality work here 👍
I was considering writing a program to do exactly this a couple months ago but ultimately decided that I'd rather spend my time running missions instead of trading. Seeing the results of someone who actually committed the idea is very interesting, and this video has really helped me appreciate how trading itself can be its own engaging game. Thank you for giving me a new perspective on a part of Warframe I've only ever engaged with on a surface level.
Glad you could be here to see it! It was a ton of work to put together so I don't blame you for preferring to run missions.
good job bro, at one point in time I also had similar thought and after some time I reached highest mastery rank right now LR3, and I don't want to farm anything specifically so if I farm something passively then I will sell it otherwise not gonna bother.
Similar story here. I used to make a lot of plat back in the days trading, e.g. buying certain things before they got vaulted and so on.
But tbh. the time you spend there is just not worth it that much.
I actually later made insane amounts of plats (or more than I could imagine ever needing at least) just selling corrupted and nightmare mods I got as duplicate while farming certain mods for myself. I enjoyed farming stuff, felt much better when I actually dropped it than if I had just bought it from the market and was able to make loads of plats in the meantime. Especially with a very good group of players farming stuff was a blast and super fast. I feel like if I traded in warframe I would much rather work the same time and probably buy the same amount of plat and still have made actual real money on top of that while possibly doing something useful for society if I e.g. make it through tutoring.
Something similar to the daily trades point is also relevant for people who don't enjoy actively trading. Farm a ton and occasionally look for big ticket purchases that can be safely flipped, then occasionally sell anything big. If you're not in the buying and selling business as much, you can even save time by just selling somewhat low. That difference (the spread) is much less relevant if you're not trying to turn profits, the relative and absolute gain in plat you'd get for bothering is lower. Another tip for selling quickly and easily is to simply farm everything, and make it clear in your message that you'll have what people need, they'll save their own effort spent looking for someone offering their specific needs.
This is more my style. I actually enjoy being the person that elevates noobs. I also just really enjoy seeing how fast I can do missions. Cuz of this when I'm avidly playing I literally can't sell my stock fast enough. I'm also one of those that is completely fine only making ~200 plat most days.
You could actually turn this in an economics thesis. It very well done and i loved the video
UA-cam algorithm brought me here and boy did I ever love this video. More of this kind of stuff please!
As a professional game economy designer I think your approach here is really smart, and as a non-warframe player I was still able to follow along and understand exactly what you're talking about
An extra consideration to add to your list as to why this won't likely constitute a ban is the built in restrictions on trading each day that is already built into the game. This limit helps prevent a massive race to the bottom and should afford the team ample time to react to imbalances in the economy.
This is so cool lol. As a comp sci student its cool to see discipline and hobby intersect
Thank you so much! That's really my goal with most things I program, they only really stay interesting for me if I can apply them to something tangible.
As a comp sci student do you have striped stockings
@@sunny3545 no programmer socks :(
As a newbie to trading, this kinda stuff is actual magic. Also, any game with trading for premium currency will eventually have something like this, markets and stuff tend to pull investor/day trader types.
This is actually interesting and that you did answer two questions I immediately thought of. You did say I might not need a huge capital of plat to start off this trading journey, but I am a bit of a conservative trader and I only trade when I have to for stuff I want to buy and I need for building frames, and I am a bit hesitant lol.
Be a gambler, start takin risks in the name of profit
Thanks so much! Glad it answered questions you had.
@@TheSafeSword Channel my inner Veso-R eh lmao
All trading is a form of risk. You're going to get burned at least once if you want to make a profit.
This honestly feels like a 3Blue1Brown video, both very informative and very entertaining. Amazing work!
That’s exactly what I was thinking w/ 3B1B!
The visuals also looks pretty similair, I think he might be using the same program for that.
yeah the visuals are 100% inspired by him, looks nice
This is pretty cool
Assuming I interpreted the video correctly this program automates (to a degree) the manual scramble of me seeing someone put a WTB in chat and me checking warframe market for the price to see if buying it from WFM and selling it to the trade chat bid is profitable but the program is checking WFM for both WTB and WTS and it’s doing it at a faster rate than me skimming trade chat and typing into WFM
This is really cool.
You mentioned that you liked the process of making the video and programming more than hoarding the program to yourself, might I ask if you’d be interested in making more programs either for warframe or elsewhere and perhaps talk more about the actual process of programming maybe in the same or separate videos. I’m a uni student and I find it really interesting to see how people make programs, particularly those in actually interested in like this one.
Yep I think you did interpret that correctly :) I'm a little burnt from making this one currently but I'm open to hearing your idea if you shoot me a dm on discord.
This was really interesting to watch. I just started to get back into the game after not playing for 4 ish years, and it's crazy to see what the community has done
Oh man I'm so happy I came across this. Thank you for the interesting video along with the great explanation! I've thought about doing high frequency trading in real life before and I've done tons of in-game market trading and your video is the only that makes it stick in my head! It totally makes sense now. Thank you!!
This is brilliant. Not only the program but the content style and your manner of speaking. Definitely subbed and look forward to more.
Thank you!
Its not brilliant, lol. Its incredibly sad and pathetic. Dude's life must be so fucking empty to take a looter shooter and do this kind of shit for the game. Another example of why the no-life traders for this game are the worst part of the community, somehow beating out the uber-meta circlejerkers. If you want to spend this much time of your life making a game into a fucking job, go play EVE Online, you'll fit right in with the other "play to work" brainlets.
This is super fascinating to me. I am also very into the WF market as well as a software dev so this definitely hits all the marks for me. +1 sub and I'll be checking out this program as well! Well done!
i love when different stuff i like get merged to make something cool, this is such a cool way of merging economics, CS an the clusterfuck which is the warframe trading market
I randomly stumbled on this video (thanks UA-cam algorithm) and I loved it. I'm not really that interested in markets and trading, but this was really interesting and how you speak and the video editing made it really enjoyable. Congrats on making such a well thought program!
The layers to this game blows me away. Great video and kudos to you making software to do trading. Dig it!
Thanks so much!
Fascinating! I wish I was on PC! I learned a lot I hope you make more videos! Thank you, open source coders make my heart smile 😊
This is so fucking cool to see. Warframe has such a unique trading experience and I'm glad someone is pushing it even further. I'd probably get sick of running Profit Taker though.
Thank you for this video! Very intersting and informative, and I love grinding trading in all games that have it. I will make sure to share it with everyone!
Thank you! The sharing is appreciated :)
Really interesting watch, and I applaud your efforts. I am interested to see what's going to happen to the market with cross save and trades coming as well
Watching this a year pater and this seems like some really good work. Cant wait to try this program out!
ive never been a fan of economics, programming, or business in my life but this video is inspiring me. i dont think i’ll would be able to automate trading on my account (playstation and j have no plat) so i will continue the old unreliable day trading method and watch in wonder at the power of efficiency instead :) good luck with future things!
That's a really, really good video.
Also a reminder that I need to farm some more to catch up with the game. Had a 1.5 year break because I'm waiting for Cross-Save, since I started on Xone, which has now become a powerpoint presentation.
Xb1S user here
@@Raumplestomp exactly.
I don't play this game, god knows how I got here, but I commend you on this program. You are truly the inspiration I needed to keep pushing my own skills!
I knew nothing about any of this. Meaning, how the market worked and such. But, I was happy that I picked Arcane Grace in the example. Not necessarily for every point made though. My thinking was it's bid and ask are so close that it would be constantly being traded. Anyhoo, as I finish patting myself on the back, I have to admit that I didn't realize how intricate this all is!
I've been gaming since the Atari days. And Warframe is the only game that has so much going on with little explanation. That if people didn't make UA-cam videos on so many things I would just be lost and guessing what to do with what. I'm STILL doing that in some aspects. Yet, I see the value in this game. It's been years since its debut. Yet, on a daily basis 40k people are playing it! That's just genius in game making and development.
Anyhoo again, thanks for making this video. I rarely like paywall games. And try my best not to spend any money on them. But like Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (and soon 2024), I have to admit, I'm happy to pay a little here and there.
Great video and information! Thank you!
awesome video, hope this gets you some more subs/views man!
Thanks for the support! I hope the same!
@@yelbuzz Sure this is not getting you banned? Any forms of automation are prohibited by DE.
Tbh the real bottleneck with trades will be credits eventually. I traded for years & ended up spending all my time either in the dojo or farming credits. Hence why relative profit is kinda relevant.
I love that you provide such a program for everyone :) I also created a riven oriented program & website back then for people to use!
I love these kinds of short, informative, nicely put together videos. Would love to see more!
Thanks so much!
this is awesome. I've been doing this by hand, and tbh never had the time to write a program for this even tho I know how to and have thought about it lol... kudos sir! :)
I'm probably one of the few people this video is going to be recommended to but this tool seems great. I'm going to give it a shot later today and see whats up. I also recall seing your name on wfm when I was trying to do this by hand.
That's wild! Thanks for watching (:
Great video. When i saw this, i couldn't believe such a small channel had made it. You have so much potential, and i can't see what you decide to do next. hopefully, the number of people that start using this doesn't start to make it ineffective.
Thanks so much! It has a decent few users now and still seems to be largely effective. Slightly less so than when I was using it but overall still lots of profits to be made through it.
Great vid covers the basics all in all good job 👍
Yep! I wanted it to go from assuming no background knowledge to a solid understanding of the mechanics involved.
this is one of the coolest things i’ve seen in warframe youtube. you’re the man keep up the great work.
I do not code myself so, to see someone do such a thing for a game I enjoy is quite impressive! Well done mate!
Really inspiring to see this being done. Always had an idea of it in my head but don't have the technical know how nor the business acumen for it, so it's really amazing to see someone manifest this! Great work and mad respect!
This video was awesome. So much good work went into this. Love it
Thank you!
This is actually so cool, I always love it when people use math and automation to give themselves unfair advantages. Very inspiring! Would love to know what kinda educational materials you hang around with to be able to come up with stuff like these. Please continue!
I never, in all my days as a Warframe veteran, expected to see such an informative video about trading. Like, this is some real shit... wow. And releasing the app to the public? You clearly don't spend enough time "no-life'ing" this game... Great work!😯
It's psychotic is what it is, this man and his app (if it gets traction) will result in a ban for him and another nerf to trading. DE does not like market exploitation and will eradicate it by any means necessary, releasing this video is a death sentence for this man and possibly many others. DE doesn't mess around, if this fucks with their graphs they will fuck us.
I have been literally told in a trade negotiation; “Stop doing math, this is warframe”
Felt
Wait. But math is Warframe.
Great video. The time spent making this does not go unnoticed.
Love this approach to trading. Well explained and made me want to try it out.
Amazing video quality and break down of the process you went though. Great job man!! Love to see the open source mindset
What would be really interesting is if your orbiter had a section for putting in your excess that you want to trade off, or accept requests for what you want. Then, the game matches things up and does the trades for you. When you go check it later, it'll show you what's been completed and you can snag them.
Make things a LOT simpler and a LOT faster.
I've asked for this for years. But never seems like it will happen
Sounds like RuneScapes Grand Exchange
Yeah, it needs a market like Steam's Community Market.
This would also solve people making fake orders to fix the market price.
so basically like a "store", so many online mmos have this so warframe should be able to do it easily.
Don't usually comment on vid but this is to amazing not to. Honestly blew my mind and was well explained. Bravo my dude
Amazing video! Thank you for all the hard work and effort that went into creating this. The video alone must have taken forever to edit.
This is amazing work, love the use of OCR to get notifications.
I don't have a source, but I only recently started using wfinfo and had similar concerns about getting banned for screenshot recognition/overlay. I remember looking into it and reading somewhere on an official Warframe forum that the devs were fine with the use of wfinfo. So you should be golden here 👍
This is really interesting, I’m surprised this has so little views. Great vid
tysm :) Hoping it gets more soon
Im ngl, I sat there watching this gobsmacked 😮 this was an amazing video, and you definitely deserve some more views man!
Thanks so much! The UA-cam algorithm seems to agree haha, this took off a little bit :)
This game put a lot of effort making us hate the Corpus and their greed (MORE LIKE DESIRE) mindset, but in the end every warframe trader follows the steps of Parvos Granum
Actually true. Rip.
This is really awesome, i am not going to use the application for now but man the explanation of the concept is sooo interesting.
Thanks for the support! Glad you enjoyed and glad my explanations were adequate.
This was me and my best friend for the longest time because we were kids who couldn’t buy plat so we had to make trades to obtain it😁
This 3Blue1Brown style method of visualizing concepts and math is so expertly done here!
That's actually a good and fun to learn some Economy stuff, dayum.
Interesting video, all I do to make Platinum is Buying Relics in bulk, open the bad relics, and Rad the relics with uncommon/rare Warframe parts. I always have a set ready to sell to make my plat I spent on relics.
Warframe easily has the best trading mechanics of any video game out there imo, incredible game, so deep and diverse, there’s just so much you can do in this game.
Thanks so much! I agree, I think this just scratches the surface of how some people can go with programs of this type.
It definitely could use a market where people could list items they want to sell for x amount rather than forcing everyone to do individual trades in person, but it is a good system.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND i agree this could work but the way its done now is also really good; if there was a market like that i think trading would become *too* convenient if you know what i mean? like the part where you have to go trade individually is precisely what keeps the system in check. any more convenience and new traders would struggle to make profits early on at all
@@cryo7847 Eh, I guess, but since you can always just grind arcanes or relics getting plat to start isn't too difficult.
I also play a game with an auction house market like I described, and its quite easy to make profits buying low and selling high, its just far more convenient.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND maroo's bazaar is almost this. Almost.
Absolutely amazing video, I never thought it could be this awesome to code and trade in Warframe!
Thanks so much!
As a person who doesn't like making deals just because of the social aspect - I won't be using this.
However, you did great work and deserve recognition. Here's a comment for the YT algorithm.
you explained economics better in 3 minutes, than my economics class in a year and a half.
loved it, defo gonna try to implement this into my playing.
This is what the internet was made for. One of the worst things ever is sitting and waiting for multiple AFK traders to finally appear to sell an item you want.
i wasn’t expecting so much effort be put into understanding the warframe marketplace lol💀🔥
Fantastic video mate, super informative and easy to follow. I've been doing this manually in game on Xbox for a while now and my friends always ask me how I have 1000+ plat consistently despite spending frequently. Once you grasp the base concepts of trading and economics, there is a LOT of plat to made, with very minimal effort being needed. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! Glad to hear the method works on console too. Trying to make sure this program works decently enough for console.
You have my attention for any further uploads! =D
I hope the next one is just as good :D
wow, the warframe community is just in another level, it's not even a game anymore
Wow, thanks for this entertaining and interesting video. Keep up the good work!
for anyone unaware, automating the trading process would be strictly against the EULA.
the trading process itself isn't automated
for it to be automated you'd also need OCR to read whispers and their contents, something that will automatically control the mouse and keyboard inputs to open the whisper to read the contents, invite the person, initiate the trade (with OCR probably needed to determine when the person has loaded in), pick the correct item (accounting for a hypothetical duplicate, where you're selling, let's say, a primed mod, but also have your own copy of that mod, and need to pick the right one and deal with the warning pop-up if you pick your copy), check that the person is offering the right amount of plat (vice versa if you're the one buying), ready up, wait for the other person to ready up, and finally accept
then you also need to automate the process of updating the app's info on your inventory
@@user-zl9vh2xr6b this is correct. it would be a decently complicated script, but not impossible.
this wouldnt count as automating but its not like theres a warframe court system you could fight in lol
idk why i didnt clarify originally, but... automating the _trade itself_ (replying to offers -> inviting -> trading) is strictly against the EULA. the automation that Yelbuzz _actually did_ is 100% allowed.
also, iirc i did check the EULA before commenting to make sure i wasnt spreading misinformation. i apologize to anyone who misunderstood what i meant.
work like this just inspire me man . nice to see the warframe community shine
I think you just sparked something in me to start programming/coding again! Bro this is insane. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! Would definitely encourage making applied programs like this even if it might seem like the knowledge required is too much to do so. It ends up being good for learning no matter how far you take it.
I love the part of “quickly learning frontend and backend”
if the market gets infested by trade bots now I know who to blame
cool video though, very impressive and interesting stuff
Will this destroy the market?
@@Anticlimacticwhaledepends. Probably not
Someone was likely already doing it before the video came out
The credit cost is still prohibitive against those that don't put in the time to actually play
so you're saying someone with this program was the one buying up all the fulmin prime sets out from under my nose the other day when I was trying to get hands on one.
I can feel the 3Blue1Brown environment with the video, nicely done
This video is awesome. Just as an idea, you should made a video explaining how to install all this stuff for us the mortals that dont know code
It's definitely on the list of what's next with the unexpected attention coming this way :)
all that programming took a lot of effort. the fact that you did a frontend to manage everything and even got to the point of using CV2 for image recognition to then ping your phone for notifications shows how committed you were to the project. Glad it payed off
I loved your editing and explanation of the program you built, it was clear and very interesting to hear about.
Okay - this is pretty interesting. Imma have to jump into the discord to learn more.
Thanks for watching!
This is why i never trade... I only sell... too much stuff to do and standing in dojo just waiting and checking the page for item drops price or something... its tedious... I only Sell stuff i find and its enough for me ... This program can help but for me the only help i need is a way to put my warframe selling in marroo bazzar and go to bed... that way i come back and check my "personal Shop" and its full... full of items or full of plat who knows...
Boi, i tell you what im a marketing mayor, and this guy gave me a better lesson about the market and margin better than any professors i met
Honestly this is legit and I’m happy to see something like this as players find solutions outside of game for in game goals.
But more so as someone who wanted to learn coding it’s really fascinating just hearing about the steps and thought process you used to work up solutions.
Thank you! That was a lot of the goal. It was mainly meant to be educational I think
The fact that your sumerized how I plan to sell my mods and warframes for the next one was shocking accurate XD analysis paralysis
Been there myself, the feeling is too real
No ill-will to you, really like this vid and you aren't really the issue, its more deeply rooted, but this is exactly why I left warframe trading and later the game entirely about 4 -5 years ago. The market was no longer a bazaar like tug-of-war fight to sell to customers among the competition of other buyers, rather than the market being completely out of back and forth selling communications and completely lacking personality. Was really interesting when I actually came to have regular customers and many sellers I could trust. Now it's just a big stock market that needs to be gamed rather than played
Yeah, I definitely understand what you mean. I can also acknowledge that I'm contributing to the acceleration of that scenario. However, I kind of feel like it's where most open player to player markets in games end up, and it's more of an "if not me, then who?" type of situation. And as you've said, Warframe is like a decade old now so it's definitely been a while since there's been much personability in the market.
Thanks for watching :)
@@yelbuzz That's a good way to frame it yeah. And it isn't inherently bad that there isn't much personality in trading anymore. After all people are there for something, not someone. Most players don't care and likely vastly prefer how trading is now, its just where i found community and enjoyment previously.
so you just created "Awaken POE trade" for warframe, nice job man!
Be careful of parvos granum!
Jokes aside, if you ever make a follow up video on this, i would recommend raising a ticket with DE regarding the legality of taking real time scan. They will either confirm its ok as long as you are not letting a software play their game or tell you their corporate response that do it at your own risk. In either case, them not telling you that this is illegal directly will be huge plus.
This has nothing to do with the game, his app read from the wf market website not in game chat.
Ur like the vsauce of warframe lmao this kinda content covers a niche I didn’t know I needed
As useful as this is I’m still just gonna do Eidolon Hunts to make platinum
Repectable, Eidolon Hunts are one of the more fun things in the game so if that's fun and how you get your plat, more power to you!
@@yelbuzz hell ye man, thanks for the info tho, now I can sell my arcanes during high times heheheheh
This is awesome, gonna save this video for when Cross save finally drops
Imagine if we genius investors put our time into stocks and small companies instead of warframe
Subbed, love warframe, love math and code.
I’m not that Econ brained, but I do wonder what the ramifications on the games market would be if this became widespread. Seems like one of those things that would only work well if I was a well kept secret.
Same as real life. Rich get Richer. Poverty grows.
As he says in the end: it decreases spread and increases liquidity, making the market more usable for the consumers while it becomes less profitable for the traders.
I have developed this kind of tool on almost all the games I've played that had auction house or something similar, when the tools are mostly kept private the users become extremely rich and dominate the market, when the tools are available to everyone it simply averages and it's much more difficult to profit.
Specifically for Warframe I made two tools, one similar to the one on this video for daily use to keep up with the expenses and the other one to profit on a very specific moment on the game history on which I became absurdly rich by flipping with more than 5k potential profit each day.
Most chill video abt trades, this is impressive and I want more tbh
Only downside is the trade limit, microtransacting warframe . Brilliant
Yep! Finally gives me a reason to farm MR haha. Thanks for watching :)
While I don't participate in trading that often i found this video very informative and interesting it was a nice look into trading in warframe, just wanted to leave a comment saying good job
Me when i reach mr30 and retire from the proper game