The Unreasonable Efficiency Of Algorithmic Trading (Warframe)
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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This video goes through how I made 4000 platinum afk-ing in my dojo in two weeks. The only things I did in-game were trade, do profit taker, and farm some mastery, nothing else. That means I did NOT:
- farm items to sell for myself
- farm rivens because farming rivens sucks
- farm relics because farming relics sucks even more
This may not be the strictly fastest way to earn platinum, but I think it definitely is the best way to make platinum if you're aiming to put in the least effort for the most reward.
If you want the program used in the video, I have it listed publicly in my discord. The program is entirely free and open source on a github page, but if you want to support me more for this project you can do so through buymeacoffee :) it'd be greatly appreciated but is in no way required.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:00 The Economics
3:11 The Strategy
5:36 Programming In Practice
8:33 Statistics
10:01 How You Can Get This
10:32 Addressing Possible Questions
12:25 Why I'm Releasing This
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The fact that 1 man can fix one of the endgames largest issues and a 300 person dev team hasn’t been able to figure it out for 10 years is exactly why the game is on life support.
It's not that they can't. They have 0 incentive to do so. De only takes credits from the game during the trade. After the initial plat purchase why would we care anymore. They made their money and make the prem currency tradeable only so it's not " pay to win"
not fixed by design
They are selling platinum for real money why would they ever want to make making plat this easy an actual in-game feature?
they still cant fix the other, much more important issues, thats the real reason the game is on life support.
the fact that we don't have a market in-game system(trade chat sucks so doesn't count) and the need to use a 3rd party website is exactly the problem
Damn, the new Corpus story mode looks pretty wild
This comment is underrated.
Fashion frame might be endgame for some. but for some its PlatFrame. :)
Corpus lore
Warframe: Stockbroker
Huge comment
this feels like the epitome of "doing real life work... but not in real life" I love it lol.
Epitome*
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@@kitsune_gtepitome*
@@Poisen_ mb
@@Yoophy mb
when you play warframe so much
you start to understand demand and supply chains, markets, statistics, and become a bussinessman
I can't deny there's a correlation between my career path and my sense of awe when I realize how I can capitalize on making in-game currency from auction house in a game call World of Warcraft 18+yrs ago.
Reddit
I've earned a stupid amount of platinum
After you spend hours in trade chat it comes naturally
@@spritemon98how much?
I was one of your trades. It's amazing how I suddenly stumble upon this, and having been part of its results. No other game has done that for me. Wow.
That's awesome! UA-cam Algorithm working well for once hehe
I find it interesting how Warframe is pretty anti-capitalistic in its messaging but has what is essentially a smaller scale simulation of capitalism with trading.
It's a strange sensation to trade my blueprints for plat
A completely Laissez-faire in game market is about as capitalist as it gets hah
Who cares
I care
@@nickr1246 who asked?
so guys, this game is where you play as a space ninja.
So guys this game is where you treat the market like real life and ignore any gameplay to look at grofit.
Programming and business/stats both in warframe. That's three birds with one stone, absolutely amazing video.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!
HFT is already a very big thing. But i agree, not as calmly presented as this video.
I was considering writing a program to do exactly this a couple months ago but ultimately decided that I'd rather spend my time running missions instead of trading. Seeing the results of someone who actually committed the idea is very interesting, and this video has really helped me appreciate how trading itself can be its own engaging game. Thank you for giving me a new perspective on a part of Warframe I've only ever engaged with on a surface level.
Glad you could be here to see it! It was a ton of work to put together so I don't blame you for preferring to run missions.
good job bro, at one point in time I also had similar thought and after some time I reached highest mastery rank right now LR3, and I don't want to farm anything specifically so if I farm something passively then I will sell it otherwise not gonna bother.
Similar story here. I used to make a lot of plat back in the days trading, e.g. buying certain things before they got vaulted and so on.
But tbh. the time you spend there is just not worth it that much.
I actually later made insane amounts of plats (or more than I could imagine ever needing at least) just selling corrupted and nightmare mods I got as duplicate while farming certain mods for myself. I enjoyed farming stuff, felt much better when I actually dropped it than if I had just bought it from the market and was able to make loads of plats in the meantime. Especially with a very good group of players farming stuff was a blast and super fast. I feel like if I traded in warframe I would much rather work the same time and probably buy the same amount of plat and still have made actual real money on top of that while possibly doing something useful for society if I e.g. make it through tutoring.
This is an insane video 😭 I’m playing Warframe first time again in like 10 years and I come back to see a video of a dude applying real life stock methodology to a video game and making actual profit, ur crazy dude keep up the good work! Great video editing also, super high quality work here 👍
Something similar to the daily trades point is also relevant for people who don't enjoy actively trading. Farm a ton and occasionally look for big ticket purchases that can be safely flipped, then occasionally sell anything big. If you're not in the buying and selling business as much, you can even save time by just selling somewhat low. That difference (the spread) is much less relevant if you're not trying to turn profits, the relative and absolute gain in plat you'd get for bothering is lower. Another tip for selling quickly and easily is to simply farm everything, and make it clear in your message that you'll have what people need, they'll save their own effort spent looking for someone offering their specific needs.
This is more my style. I actually enjoy being the person that elevates noobs. I also just really enjoy seeing how fast I can do missions. Cuz of this when I'm avidly playing I literally can't sell my stock fast enough. I'm also one of those that is completely fine only making ~200 plat most days.
UA-cam algorithm brought me here and boy did I ever love this video. More of this kind of stuff please!
As a professional game economy designer I think your approach here is really smart, and as a non-warframe player I was still able to follow along and understand exactly what you're talking about
An extra consideration to add to your list as to why this won't likely constitute a ban is the built in restrictions on trading each day that is already built into the game. This limit helps prevent a massive race to the bottom and should afford the team ample time to react to imbalances in the economy.
You could actually turn this in an economics thesis. It very well done and i loved the video
This is so cool lol. As a comp sci student its cool to see discipline and hobby intersect
Thank you so much! That's really my goal with most things I program, they only really stay interesting for me if I can apply them to something tangible.
As a comp sci student do you have striped stockings
@@sunny3545 no programmer socks :(
Oh man I'm so happy I came across this. Thank you for the interesting video along with the great explanation! I've thought about doing high frequency trading in real life before and I've done tons of in-game market trading and your video is the only that makes it stick in my head! It totally makes sense now. Thank you!!
This honestly feels like a 3Blue1Brown video, both very informative and very entertaining. Amazing work!
That’s exactly what I was thinking w/ 3B1B!
The visuals also looks pretty similair, I think he might be using the same program for that.
yeah the visuals are 100% inspired by him, looks nice
This is brilliant. Not only the program but the content style and your manner of speaking. Definitely subbed and look forward to more.
Thank you!
Its not brilliant, lol. Its incredibly sad and pathetic. Dude's life must be so fucking empty to take a looter shooter and do this kind of shit for the game. Another example of why the no-life traders for this game are the worst part of the community, somehow beating out the uber-meta circlejerkers. If you want to spend this much time of your life making a game into a fucking job, go play EVE Online, you'll fit right in with the other "play to work" brainlets.
This is actually interesting and that you did answer two questions I immediately thought of. You did say I might not need a huge capital of plat to start off this trading journey, but I am a bit of a conservative trader and I only trade when I have to for stuff I want to buy and I need for building frames, and I am a bit hesitant lol.
Be a gambler, start takin risks in the name of profit
Thanks so much! Glad it answered questions you had.
@@TheSafeSword Channel my inner Veso-R eh lmao
All trading is a form of risk. You're going to get burned at least once if you want to make a profit.
I randomly stumbled on this video (thanks UA-cam algorithm) and I loved it. I'm not really that interested in markets and trading, but this was really interesting and how you speak and the video editing made it really enjoyable. Congrats on making such a well thought program!
Really inspiring to see this being done. Always had an idea of it in my head but don't have the technical know how nor the business acumen for it, so it's really amazing to see someone manifest this! Great work and mad respect!
Fascinating! I wish I was on PC! I learned a lot I hope you make more videos! Thank you, open source coders make my heart smile 😊
I do not code myself so, to see someone do such a thing for a game I enjoy is quite impressive! Well done mate!
This is pretty cool
Assuming I interpreted the video correctly this program automates (to a degree) the manual scramble of me seeing someone put a WTB in chat and me checking warframe market for the price to see if buying it from WFM and selling it to the trade chat bid is profitable but the program is checking WFM for both WTB and WTS and it’s doing it at a faster rate than me skimming trade chat and typing into WFM
This is really cool.
You mentioned that you liked the process of making the video and programming more than hoarding the program to yourself, might I ask if you’d be interested in making more programs either for warframe or elsewhere and perhaps talk more about the actual process of programming maybe in the same or separate videos. I’m a uni student and I find it really interesting to see how people make programs, particularly those in actually interested in like this one.
Yep I think you did interpret that correctly :) I'm a little burnt from making this one currently but I'm open to hearing your idea if you shoot me a dm on discord.
Amazing video quality and break down of the process you went though. Great job man!! Love to see the open source mindset
Thank you for this video! Very intersting and informative, and I love grinding trading in all games that have it. I will make sure to share it with everyone!
Thank you! The sharing is appreciated :)
Hey! Hope you enjoyed the video, feel free to comment anything you may want to say :), links are in this comment.
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Thanks for watching :D
Have you considered working as a salesman
Dude I haven’t played WF in years (ever since I spent a millennia making the perfect mirage eidelon build only for them to nerf Castanas/electric not proc’ing light and I rage quit period). I was heavy into riven trading (was my endgame) and this video nearly makes me wanna play again. Well done!
been doing this manually for years.
Also, why would you do profit taker and not index? Isn't index faster O.o
You know what the stock market is good for? Making the average price of everything go up!...
Love this approach to trading. Well explained and made me want to try it out.
This video was awesome. So much good work went into this. Love it
Thank you!
i love when different stuff i like get merged to make something cool, this is such a cool way of merging economics, CS an the clusterfuck which is the warframe trading market
The layers to this game blows me away. Great video and kudos to you making software to do trading. Dig it!
Thanks so much!
This is super fascinating to me. I am also very into the WF market as well as a software dev so this definitely hits all the marks for me. +1 sub and I'll be checking out this program as well! Well done!
Wow, thanks for this entertaining and interesting video. Keep up the good work!
Great vid covers the basics all in all good job 👍
Yep! I wanted it to go from assuming no background knowledge to a solid understanding of the mechanics involved.
Amazing video! Thank you for all the hard work and effort that went into creating this. The video alone must have taken forever to edit.
Really interesting watch, and I applaud your efforts. I am interested to see what's going to happen to the market with cross save and trades coming as well
As a newbie to trading, this kinda stuff is actual magic. Also, any game with trading for premium currency will eventually have something like this, markets and stuff tend to pull investor/day trader types.
I don't play this game, god knows how I got here, but I commend you on this program. You are truly the inspiration I needed to keep pushing my own skills!
What an awesome concept. I'm really glad this came onto my feed!
Great video. The time spent making this does not go unnoticed.
I love these kinds of short, informative, nicely put together videos. Would love to see more!
Thanks so much!
Great video. When i saw this, i couldn't believe such a small channel had made it. You have so much potential, and i can't see what you decide to do next. hopefully, the number of people that start using this doesn't start to make it ineffective.
Thanks so much! It has a decent few users now and still seems to be largely effective. Slightly less so than when I was using it but overall still lots of profits to be made through it.
work like this just inspire me man . nice to see the warframe community shine
Amazing video and I look forward to more in the future!
Thanks so much!
I loved your editing and explanation of the program you built, it was clear and very interesting to hear about.
awesome video, hope this gets you some more subs/views man!
Thanks for the support! I hope the same!
@@yelbuzz Sure this is not getting you banned? Any forms of automation are prohibited by DE.
this is one of the coolest things i’ve seen in warframe youtube. you’re the man keep up the great work.
Really cool video! Fascinating stuff. Next up I'm ready for your profit taker video guide 😃
This is really interesting, I’m surprised this has so little views. Great vid
tysm :) Hoping it gets more soon
I knew nothing about any of this. Meaning, how the market worked and such. But, I was happy that I picked Arcane Grace in the example. Not necessarily for every point made though. My thinking was it's bid and ask are so close that it would be constantly being traded. Anyhoo, as I finish patting myself on the back, I have to admit that I didn't realize how intricate this all is!
I've been gaming since the Atari days. And Warframe is the only game that has so much going on with little explanation. That if people didn't make UA-cam videos on so many things I would just be lost and guessing what to do with what. I'm STILL doing that in some aspects. Yet, I see the value in this game. It's been years since its debut. Yet, on a daily basis 40k people are playing it! That's just genius in game making and development.
Anyhoo again, thanks for making this video. I rarely like paywall games. And try my best not to spend any money on them. But like Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (and soon 2024), I have to admit, I'm happy to pay a little here and there.
Great video and information! Thank you!
Thank you for the video, great project for you to learn
You have my attention for any further uploads! =D
I hope the next one is just as good :D
This is so fucking cool to see. Warframe has such a unique trading experience and I'm glad someone is pushing it even further. I'd probably get sick of running Profit Taker though.
I'm probably one of the few people this video is going to be recommended to but this tool seems great. I'm going to give it a shot later today and see whats up. I also recall seing your name on wfm when I was trying to do this by hand.
That's wild! Thanks for watching (:
Most chill video abt trades, this is impressive and I want more tbh
insane 😂, love the vid.
Me when i reach mr30 and retire from the proper game
I never, in all my days as a Warframe veteran, expected to see such an informative video about trading. Like, this is some real shit... wow. And releasing the app to the public? You clearly don't spend enough time "no-life'ing" this game... Great work!😯
It's psychotic is what it is, this man and his app (if it gets traction) will result in a ban for him and another nerf to trading. DE does not like market exploitation and will eradicate it by any means necessary, releasing this video is a death sentence for this man and possibly many others. DE doesn't mess around, if this fucks with their graphs they will fuck us.
this is awesome. I've been doing this by hand, and tbh never had the time to write a program for this even tho I know how to and have thought about it lol... kudos sir! :)
This is really awesome, i am not going to use the application for now but man the explanation of the concept is sooo interesting.
Thanks for the support! Glad you enjoyed and glad my explanations were adequate.
I have been literally told in a trade negotiation; “Stop doing math, this is warframe”
Felt
Wait. But math is Warframe.
I am become trading man
This game put a lot of effort making us hate the Corpus and their greed (MORE LIKE DESIRE) mindset, but in the end every warframe trader follows the steps of Parvos Granum
Actually true. Rip.
This is amazing work, love the use of OCR to get notifications.
I don't have a source, but I only recently started using wfinfo and had similar concerns about getting banned for screenshot recognition/overlay. I remember looking into it and reading somewhere on an official Warframe forum that the devs were fine with the use of wfinfo. So you should be golden here 👍
ive never been a fan of economics, programming, or business in my life but this video is inspiring me. i dont think i’ll would be able to automate trading on my account (playstation and j have no plat) so i will continue the old unreliable day trading method and watch in wonder at the power of efficiency instead :) good luck with future things!
What would be really interesting is if your orbiter had a section for putting in your excess that you want to trade off, or accept requests for what you want. Then, the game matches things up and does the trades for you. When you go check it later, it'll show you what's been completed and you can snag them.
Make things a LOT simpler and a LOT faster.
I've asked for this for years. But never seems like it will happen
Sounds like RuneScapes Grand Exchange
Yeah, it needs a market like Steam's Community Market.
This would also solve people making fake orders to fix the market price.
so basically like a "store", so many online mmos have this so warframe should be able to do it easily.
Warframe easily has the best trading mechanics of any video game out there imo, incredible game, so deep and diverse, there’s just so much you can do in this game.
Thanks so much! I agree, I think this just scratches the surface of how some people can go with programs of this type.
It definitely could use a market where people could list items they want to sell for x amount rather than forcing everyone to do individual trades in person, but it is a good system.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND i agree this could work but the way its done now is also really good; if there was a market like that i think trading would become *too* convenient if you know what i mean? like the part where you have to go trade individually is precisely what keeps the system in check. any more convenience and new traders would struggle to make profits early on at all
@@cryo7847 Eh, I guess, but since you can always just grind arcanes or relics getting plat to start isn't too difficult.
I also play a game with an auction house market like I described, and its quite easy to make profits buying low and selling high, its just far more convenient.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND maroo's bazaar is almost this. Almost.
Absolutely amazing video, I never thought it could be this awesome to code and trade in Warframe!
Thanks so much!
Don't usually comment on vid but this is to amazing not to. Honestly blew my mind and was well explained. Bravo my dude
This is why i never trade... I only sell... too much stuff to do and standing in dojo just waiting and checking the page for item drops price or something... its tedious... I only Sell stuff i find and its enough for me ... This program can help but for me the only help i need is a way to put my warframe selling in marroo bazzar and go to bed... that way i come back and check my "personal Shop" and its full... full of items or full of plat who knows...
I think you just sparked something in me to start programming/coding again! Bro this is insane. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! Would definitely encourage making applied programs like this even if it might seem like the knowledge required is too much to do so. It ends up being good for learning no matter how far you take it.
Subbed, love warframe, love math and code.
Well done on the program!
This was me and my best friend for the longest time because we were kids who couldn’t buy plat so we had to make trades to obtain it😁
This is what the internet was made for. One of the worst things ever is sitting and waiting for multiple AFK traders to finally appear to sell an item you want.
Great job brother thanks for your perception.
Very cool man I am learning JS and Typescript now so this is amazing to me
for anyone unaware, automating the trading process would be strictly against the EULA.
the trading process itself isn't automated
for it to be automated you'd also need OCR to read whispers and their contents, something that will automatically control the mouse and keyboard inputs to open the whisper to read the contents, invite the person, initiate the trade (with OCR probably needed to determine when the person has loaded in), pick the correct item (accounting for a hypothetical duplicate, where you're selling, let's say, a primed mod, but also have your own copy of that mod, and need to pick the right one and deal with the warning pop-up if you pick your copy), check that the person is offering the right amount of plat (vice versa if you're the one buying), ready up, wait for the other person to ready up, and finally accept
then you also need to automate the process of updating the app's info on your inventory
@@user-zl9vh2xr6b this is correct. it would be a decently complicated script, but not impossible.
this wouldnt count as automating but its not like theres a warframe court system you could fight in lol
idk why i didnt clarify originally, but... automating the _trade itself_ (replying to offers -> inviting -> trading) is strictly against the EULA. the automation that Yelbuzz _actually did_ is 100% allowed.
also, iirc i did check the EULA before commenting to make sure i wasnt spreading misinformation. i apologize to anyone who misunderstood what i meant.
Fantastic video mate, super informative and easy to follow. I've been doing this manually in game on Xbox for a while now and my friends always ask me how I have 1000+ plat consistently despite spending frequently. Once you grasp the base concepts of trading and economics, there is a LOT of plat to made, with very minimal effort being needed. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! Glad to hear the method works on console too. Trying to make sure this program works decently enough for console.
Awesome video. I love warframe and have recently got into Computer Science. Inspires me in both! Learning programming has been pretty tough but its so cool I love it.
Haven't played warframe for years but I understood everything and I'm going to say you are a God for doing a robust app. Keep it up! I really liked this video style idea!
This video is awesome. Just as an idea, you should made a video explaining how to install all this stuff for us the mortals that dont know code
It's definitely on the list of what's next with the unexpected attention coming this way :)
As a person who doesn't like making deals just because of the social aspect - I won't be using this.
However, you did great work and deserve recognition. Here's a comment for the YT algorithm.
Ready for this man to explode. Really well done, keep it up.
Thanks for the support!
This is amazingly impressive i wish i was this smart lmao, great work man! Definitely an inspiration!
wow, the warframe community is just in another level, it's not even a game anymore
if the market gets infested by trade bots now I know who to blame
cool video though, very impressive and interesting stuff
Will this destroy the market?
@@Anticlimacticwhaledepends. Probably not
Someone was likely already doing it before the video came out
The credit cost is still prohibitive against those that don't put in the time to actually play
so you're saying someone with this program was the one buying up all the fulmin prime sets out from under my nose the other day when I was trying to get hands on one.
This was pretty dope ngl you did a grate job I can’t wait to try this out
Okay - this is pretty interesting. Imma have to jump into the discord to learn more.
Thanks for watching!
As useful as this is I’m still just gonna do Eidolon Hunts to make platinum
Repectable, Eidolon Hunts are one of the more fun things in the game so if that's fun and how you get your plat, more power to you!
@@yelbuzz hell ye man, thanks for the info tho, now I can sell my arcanes during high times heheheheh
Imagine if we genius investors put our time into stocks and small companies instead of warframe
Numbers! Awesome video, subbed for the quality ❤
Needs more views, this was a fun and educational watch
I find the trade limit to be stifling
I’m not that Econ brained, but I do wonder what the ramifications on the games market would be if this became widespread. Seems like one of those things that would only work well if I was a well kept secret.
Same as real life. Rich get Richer. Poverty grows.
As he says in the end: it decreases spread and increases liquidity, making the market more usable for the consumers while it becomes less profitable for the traders.
I have developed this kind of tool on almost all the games I've played that had auction house or something similar, when the tools are mostly kept private the users become extremely rich and dominate the market, when the tools are available to everyone it simply averages and it's much more difficult to profit.
Specifically for Warframe I made two tools, one similar to the one on this video for daily use to keep up with the expenses and the other one to profit on a very specific moment on the game history on which I became absurdly rich by flipping with more than 5k potential profit each day.
Loved the video man, keep going💪🏼
Thank you 💪🏼
Im ngl, I sat there watching this gobsmacked 😮 this was an amazing video, and you definitely deserve some more views man!
Thanks so much! The UA-cam algorithm seems to agree haha, this took off a little bit :)
If this program gets popular (judging by the views, it already is) and everyone starts using it, how do you think that will affect the market? Would DE want to interfere?
Colour me stupid but-
for a second there, i thought someone was willing to sell Saryn's Molt Augmentation for 134 plat
Super interesting video! It's fascinating how you used knowledge about business, statistics, stock market trends, etc from the real world and applied as much as you could to Warframe. I'm also incredibly impressed that you took the time to actually create the program. Well done! Hope to see more uploads of this nature in the future.
Very informative video. Good job bro.