I love the channel but Huusk knives are 100% trash. They are made out of crap metal and don't have a good heat treatment on them. They are a fly by night china company that does not stand behind their product either. The channel cedric and ada did a great review of them. ua-cam.com/video/jJd5-Kxg-f8/v-deo.html
Silencers should be standard issue/mandatory for every firearm. There is absolutely no reason to have them classified as a controlled ATF item. Not only do they protect your hearing, but they also prevent you from annoying your neighbors.
@@mojowaxwork4242 you mean like the criminals that already do whatever they want to whoever they want with whatever weapons they want as it is? Stop being afraid of inanimate objects.
@@craighansen7594 On the plus side, Texas is slapping the AFT (Joe Biden's spelling) around on that very issue right now. The Armed Scholar seems to be keeping up with the battle.
I would like to see a comparison of this rifle and a bolt action 308 with sub sonic rounds. Both with no suppressor and both with the same brand and model suppressor.
Decibel meters are designed to measure steady state noise, like in an industrial environment with machines, fans, etc. Impulse noise, like gunshots, hammers, nail guns etc, are not accurately measured using devices like that because the sample rate is not fast enough to pick up more than one peak in the sound wave at a time. So throughout the course of the sound wave, the meter could be picking up any random spot within the span of the wave, whether or not that is actually the highest peak is up to chance. Check out PEW Science for measurable and understandable effects of suppressed weapons at the human ear. The suppression rating is actually more useful in comparing and understanding suppression across a host of weapon systems and makes it more easy to put loudness into perspective than only measuring decibels.
Wow very cool. It sure made a difference.. not sure why they don't like them on every gun ... It's a big needed part of guns I think ... To stop annoying other people, while shooting at home ....❤❤❤❤
Hunting is so much more pleasurable with a suppressed rifle, no blast, less recoil, quieter etc my Zastava 243 is laser accurate and easy to shoot and deadly.
Very cool video. The highlight was the comparison of supersonic and subsonic ammo in the same rifle. I had no idea that breaking the sound barrier makes that big of a difference to the sound level!
Makes a huge difference. Its the main reason 300 blackout was created. Point was to get a lot of energy in a suppressible round that could easily be retrofitted onto ar15 style rifles. Another great round to suppress is 45acp because its naturally subsonic. IMO it's not worth it to mess with high velocity rounds in a subsonic variant like 556 or 308. Another newer round that uses high mass low velocity to it's advantage for suppressors is 8.6 blackout.
Even in air rifles , I run a suppressor on my .25 cal pcp air rifle and when I'm shooting slugs I try to keep it just below sound barrier to keep it quiet, I do this by going with a heavier slug , but if I throw a much lighter slug in and break the sound barrier they can get as loud as a 22 long rifle
In Australia we can't have suppressors unless you're a contract shooter or a primary producer, and even then, they make it really hard to get! The reason we can't have them is because our government think it's like in the movies where the hit man shoots people and no one hears it🤦♂️ I really wish the term silencer wasn't used, I just want to be able to protect my hearing and increase my chances when hunting!
Australia has really attacked your freedom along with Canada. Our government is working on taking ours away also well. Sincerely America government is turning on its people. I agree with your statement. Hey guy breaking into my house please allow me to put ear protection on first. That way I can't hear you
the irony is that in large urban US cities, ran by pro-crime Democrat party politicians, the response time by police to a reported situation is now measured in hours. So the fact that the criminal gangs are using stolen, unsuppressed firearms has no bearing on helping to identify/locate the perpetrator - they are long since gone from the crime scene Nobody once to work on the police force of these locales anymore so they suffer severe manpower shortages - the Covid jab policies they forced on officers only served to amplify the manpower shortages per all emergency responders the consequence is that small businesses are shuttering and large businesses are relocating to places under Republican party control. People are fleeing California in droves. McDonalds CEO publically complains that he can't hire people to come and work at corporate headquarters in Chicago. New York policemen are taking jobs in places like Florida, Ohio, Tennessee, etc. These Democrat-ran cities are rapidly becoming typical Communist-like, third world sh*tholes, while the political leaders are totally focused on taking gun rights away from the law abiding citizens
Cva is an excellent firearms manufacturer! Here in southern Ontario Canada most of where I white tail hunt is limited to shotgun and or muzzleloader. I use my Cva accura v2 with great success and it is one of my sweetest shooting firearms, I bought a Cva wolf for a little lighter tighter package with open sites and it’s just as good as the accura but 1/3 the cost! The scout is next o my list with zero hesitation once I can find it up here! Love the channel! Cheers from Canada eh 🍻🇨🇦👊
I love my 300 blackout CVA. I don’t own a suppressor, but I deer hunt with it. I have a Vortex red dot which I put at the front of the rail. That allows me to carry the gun one-handed at the balance point. It is a superb rifle for short range, thick woods deer stalking. The Barnes 110 grain TTSX ammo is phenomenal in this little rifle.
This demonstration has me a bit confused about the bullet speed, with the target about 100 feet away? The trigger sound is clear and the target sound is clear, but maybe this is creating an illusion of a slow bullet. Does a sub-sonic bullet punch through the shoulders of a deer? The demo makes me doubt the speed of the bullet, and probably the actual math for speed of sound would prove the bullet capable.
@Randall Kelley - Be interested to know how much a 200ish gr sub sonic bullet like that, or whatever you hunt with, drops at like 100yds? Any idea? Or is this only good for even shorter range?
@@YouKnowTheyExist It should be ~1000 FPS at the muzzle. Most of the .300 BLK subs have really good ballistics, so it carries it's velocity pretty well. Yea, you can drop a deer with it at reasonable range.
@@YouKnowTheyExist Speed of sound is about 1.100 FPS, any target 22 LR or Short travel at under 1.100. You can perfecly shoot at 75 Yds and over with subsonic cartridges, A 22 cal Silencer can be much smaller because it retains less gasses than a big cal cartridge. If you can shoot game with a standard Vel 22 at 75 yds, you def can shoot Big game with a bigger cal, and bullet drop isn't that much at 100 yds. Muzzle loaders( Todays Newer are much faster) use large slow moving bullets out to 100 yds. If they are fine for Deer, else is just as good
I respect your integrity, for still keep that promo part. Huusk has been busted many many times in knife community, and lots sponsored content creators have taken down their promo video.
CVA Scout is basically a Bergara. Comes from the very same factory in the Basque country. In Europe the CVA Scout is sold branded as Bergara TD 13 (TD = take down)
My CVA Scout has become my "go to" rifle. Taken numerous deer and other critters. The workmanship is top notch, but it sure isn't fancy.. but very accurate! Mine's in 44 mag and I'm looking for another in 350 Legend. I'd LOVE to have one in 6.5 x 55
Yes, I got a Bergara BA 13TD in .300 Blk with a 46 cm barrel and a large suppressor, added a cerakote finish and a camo thumbhole stock, use a 1-6x42 scope for hunting in dense wood. Use 110 gr GMX for deer/boars and change to 200gr subsonic for fox/badger/hare....solid, but heavy rife, short and very quite
Pressure transducer inserted down into a gallon jug of water through the closed lid with the wire headed to it all wiggly-piggly can be used as a very very good comparator of shockwave energy, just aim the jug's flat side at the firing position. Cellphone microphones have input limiting features that cannot be turned off.
I have shot a lot of 300 blackout in my AR with a suppressor. It is really quiet with the subsonic, but when shooting hogs it just punches holes and doesn’t knock them down. I have switched to the 6.5 Grendel for hogs. It’s not nearly as quiet , but great knock down power. Also 300 blackout subsonic is really a short range round it drops like a rock after 80 yards
everything drops at about the same rate vertically.. decreasing an object's forward velocity below the speed of sound creates that 'increased drop'. It's basic physics man.. not rocket science. ;)
@@robertf6523 Everything does NOT drop at the same rate. Try dropping a marble and a feather. Not everyone lives in a vacuum. I think you left out some of the physics. ;)
@@johnroberts3824 should you happen to get interested enough in physics to actually look into things: you'll find that if that marble and feather are dropped in a vaccum, they'll drop at the same rate. But considering I specifically mentioned dropping an object's velocity below the speed of sound.. wouldn't the reasonable person be able to deduce I'm talking about explosion driven bits of lead or copper? :P
I like how you kept it simple for everyone to understand and hopefully accept the concept of using suppressors in everyday use. Got the B/O bullets mixed up, but hey, stuff's gonna happen.
300 blackout is cool but it's for gas guns originally chambered in 5.56. For a strictly subsonic rifle, I'd go with a much larger bore like .45 - .50, a very short barrel, and a very long silencer. Instead of 180-220 grain bullets at 1050fps, you can have 500-700 grain bullets at 1050fps
That wold give the largest FPE. Launch a cannon ball at 1050 fps and get more FPE. Or can just get a .22 pellet gun and use it for varmints 60 yards and closer.
I have to disagree. I've killed many deer with my 300 Blackout Handi Rifle with suppressor. It's a single shot and it doesn't spook deer. They just stare and look bewildered! Lol
@@chrisdodson2917 He is just indicating a heavier bullet traveling at just below the speed of sound delivers more kinetic energy than a lighter bullet traveling at the same speed with no increase in noise. To get more energy on target quietly, the mass of the projectile must be increased. There is a limit on how much velocity can be applied before a sonic crack is generated from breaking the sound barrier. There is no limit for the mass.
Buddy of mine has an AR pistol in 300 blackout, with a big name brand suppressor. I was surprised that with supersonic ammo it was still uncomfortably loud. With subsonic ammo I think I could hear the gun cycling more than the round firing.
Semi autos will be louder than a single shot or a bolt action because of the action cycling and the gasses that vent when it cycles. Single shot and bolts most of the gasses go out the barrel.
@@bemusedmusician807 This is always a tuff concept to realize since ANY projectile travelling at supersonic speed, (exceeding the speed of sound), will always register as a loud 'report' or sound and until a projectile's speed can be reduced to less than 1,100 fps it will always do so. By the way silencers neither touch nor slow a projectile, (bullet) in any way since the opening in the baffles has to be large enough for the bullet to pass through safely and also so as not to interfere with accuracy. If you care, see my comments on Maxim's U.S. Patent for the "silencer" with was originally granted for use in the automobile at the time.
@@keithstroud2908 Same with revolvers due to the space between the face of the cylinder and the barrels breech. True it will reduce the report some, just not as much as the movies present.
Interesting.. When I lost all of the hearing in my left ear the audiologist never told me that the left ear was more common. When you only have one working ear, you get really serious about hearing protection in the one that still works. Suppressors/silencers should not have the restrictions that they do, they save people's hearing. And I'm sorry but I have to mention it.. You said this is like a "don't shoot your eye out" pellet gun, and you're not wearing any eye protection. It took me years to get used to no hearing on one side, I'm sure it takes longer to get used to being blind on one side or possibly both, just sayin. Great video!
I can relate. I had severe high-frequency hearing loss by the time I was in my early 20s. Mostly from hunting/hiking occasionally with high-powered rifles without hearing protection. I now mostly shoot a suppressed 22 or 17 HMR. I wish I had a suppressor years ago. I get so angry when people talk about trying to ban them, especially after all the hoops we had to jump through to get them.
My hearing loss is in my right ear, probably because of the insanely loud dirt bike I had when I was a kid, with an expansion chamber on the right side. That subsonic round in this suppressed rifle is pretty amazing.
My left ear was the closest to the breach of a 3" 50 dual gun mount on my ship,,,the VA gives me my hearing aids...also M-14, 1911 .45, M-60 light machine gun,,,etc...
You probably already know this, but "don't shoot your eye out" is a movie reference for A Christmas Story (1983), where the main character wants a pellet gun for Christmas, and every time he tells someone what he wants (his family, mall santa, etc) they all dismiss it with "no, you'll shoot your eye out". Eye protection is still probably a good idea.
An AR platform chambered for 300 Blackout shooting sub-sonic with a 7.5" to 10.5" barrel and a can. That's an ideal home defence rifle. Powerful deterrent that will not render you and your loved ones deaf afterwards.
@@feellnfroggy Yep. If I lived alone, than might be an option. But with a family I'd go 16.5in semi-auto or pump with buckshot. Add a flashlight with a remote trigger.
Americans are always surprised to learn that in the UK moderators are the norm on everything. No extra paperwork or costs, it is the norm to include a moderator on everything from a .22 to a 338 or a 50 BMG when you apply for a certain calibre on your licence. In fact if you forget to request one the Police licensing dept will call you and offer to put it on for you. In the UK you can even buy a fully integral suppressed Mossburg pump straight off the shelf and because it is a shotgun you don't even have to request a moderator on your licence (BTW we have used integrally suppressed shotguns since we air dropped them to the French resistance in WW2, we all sh*t ourselves laughing when the TV programme "Sons of Guns" thought they invented the first silent pump as we looked at our 75 year old examples on the rack!). Anyway, crazy how different countries have different gun laws.
@@12vibaba Why do governments fear suppressors? You guys ought to bring a class action on the basis of hearing damage. I thought suppressors were mandatory throughout the EU because of hearing damage? It is illegal to shoot on Forestry Commission, or Crown owned land here without one.
You forgot to add the best part about Dead Air. They are multiple caliber by just changing the endcap and are quick attachable/detachable with provided muzzle break. No I do not work for Dead Air.
That's expensive for a moderator (silencer/suppressor) - a .223/.308 proofed moderator here in Ireland & UK is around £300/€350 inc. taxes etc. Plus, we only have to register it on the firearms cert, not serialised or anything. They are encouraged actually.
The original patent (Hiram P. Maxim) was for a "silencer", not a "suppressor"; "suppressor" might be more descriptive, but "silencer" is more correct. Personally, I use both, occasionally in the same sentence.
The first patented suppressor was the "Maxim Silencer" built by H.P. Maxim, son of machine-gun inventor H.S. Maxim. So if it's a Maxim, it's definitely a "Silencer". But, like Kleenex and Aspirin, the name is in universal use. Son had to follow dad's footsteps, his full name was Hiram Percy Maxim.
and Mr. Maxim was also the inventor of the automobile muffler. I own several firearm mufflers mostly because in the 1980's and 1990's I managed Midas Muffler shops and it's the same hot stuff!
A standard SKS 7.62x39, handloaded with hardcast lead bullets, with just enough powder to fire the bullet is hands down the quietest non-nfa rifle. After each shot the bolt must be manually pulled to the rear to eject the spent case and load the next cartridge. Excess gas bleeds off internally, but not enough to move the bolt. Its is scary quiet.
It should be called a suppressor for branding reasons. Silencers are scary john wick silent killers. Suppressors should be legal to own because they’re a safety tool to prevent hearing damage
I mean the name of it is a silencer. I believe using cozy words give more ammunition for the anti 2a people. They see how much we are willing to change .
Mainly still called a silencer during to the original patent from Hiram Maxim. Either it being called a suppressor or silencer, any anti 2A person, politician, or organization will hate and demonize it because it is apart of the firearms world.
One of the oldest "secrets" to quiet gun operation id using heavier bullets. The heavier bullet is slower,yet retains much of the energy of the powder charge. A subsonic 400 grain 45/70 is quieter than a standard 250 grain 45 colt. out of the same barrel length, while delivering more downrange energy.
I have done quite a bit of testing in this area. The one thing he didn't touch on is that the foot pounds of energy delivered at the target is dramatically reduced with subsonic ammo. What my team quickly figured out is you want to use the heaviest bullet you can get in what ever caliber you want to make quiet. Then load the charge to put is just below sonic speed and as he states. Use a single shot rifle. We have managed to shoot almost any caliber what we call "Hollywood quiet" Just like in the movies
I bought a brand new H & R like this one in 30-30 caliber for $49.95 in 1975 and for $20 more you got the 20 gauge shotgun barrel to go with it. The rifle barrel was drilled and tapped for scope mounts.
I "lost" an H&R Topper-Buck, 12GA, in 1979 (it "grew legs"); ¡¡MAN, I STILL "miss that" particular tool!! (I was a United States Merchant Mariner at the time, ... It DID fit nicely into a standard "duffle bag"!!) {NOT "Ready to GO"... As I recall, you even needed a screwdriver, to "make it ready to fire"!}
@@slowery43 - 30.30 vs .300... Cheap price points of the past, vs. the "cheapest" now, and an interesting convertible option in the same (30.30) caliber... It seems the O.P was interesting to some, and also RELEVANT to this video, which ironically enough, yours was not. I'm sure you were raised to believe that your opinion matters, Hoagers, but in the end, it won't change facts.
I have 3 of the cva scouts 6.5 creed,.444 marlin ,300 blk and they are great accurate guns. I got mine before the rona hit and they were 250 bucks on gun broker
love how you say it will take down a deer with energy ~478 ftlbs. i totally agree but all your other videos its 1000ftlbs for deer 1500 for elk ....9mm only had 300-400ftlbs i think thats plenty its more about accuracy/ shot placement problem is most people can't accurately shoot some of the lighter stuff
@@bpolly69 well i don't hunt with a red ryder but just about anything with powder can penetrate 2 inches but smaller calibers like 22s have terrible bcs and sds and group terrible find a caliber that groups well and has a high sd thats more important once you get passed daisy penetration power
~Yes with a soft nose hunting bullet it is a minimum of 1000 ft/lbs "energy" for deer and 1500 for moose & elk at any given distance, but does the .300 Blackout have enough "energy" at 50 or 100 yards to kill these 3 big game animals.?? (Also the .300 Blackout regular cartridges have more "energy" than the subsonic cartridges.)
I have the same CVA scout only with an AAC SDN-6 suppressor . Mine is just as quiet with loading up the inexpensive 125gr. Speer tnt’s over 5gr of Trailboss. From time to time , guys will have get togethers to go shooting. I usually bring the CVA and everyone is always mind blown over how quiet it is .
I have an Encore with a Bergara barrel and a Harvester silencer and its just about as loud with a subsonic as it is with a standard velocity round! These are both Hornady factory loads! I dont think they put any baffles in the silencer!!
Nice to hear just springs and action! I did a large diesel oil filter on my Marlin .22 semi-auto rifle and used subsonic ammo, I've never heard a gun so quiet. In fact it was very similar to the last in this video but I tested in my living room! I can assure you my .22 was more silent. All you heard was a spring loaded firing pin smacking, then the bolt opening and closing on the partially expelled round and a knock sound from the round hitting a 2x4, there were no other associated sounds! FYI, the sub ammo did about as much damage to a 2x4 as my 1250fps .177cal pellet rifle but with zero 'gun fire' sound. I typically silence my airguns too! - My go to fast & effective air rifle silencer is hella simple; Place a roll of TP over the barrel. (Squeeze it first to get a better fit if needed) Pull off about 4ft of TP and shove it into the TP roll opening. (Place portion of tape over to keep TP shreds in as needed. Personally I enjoy the shreds blasting out!) Done. I used this method for years while eradicating finches unsuccessfully! Once I loaded 3 BB's in my Crossman and pumped it 13x, the finch I hit just disappeared, ceased to exist, nothing left but a few feathers floating and a red spat mark behind it! I hunted from the front of the house 2nd storey in a typical neighborhood in silicon valley! 10x to 30x a day! (Finch tree was a very large Yucca plant 15-20ft from the window.) Cool thing about the Yucca is that small things dying in it stay in it! Very very very few birds landed for the kitty. (Poor kitty had to brave the sharp edges to get a kill.) - A more permanent solution was a narrow bottle (like IceWater or whatever sparkling fruity water it is!?!?!) 1. Trim a long narrow notch into the threaded area side of the bottle and fill bottle with as much light tissue as possible without packing it too too tight. 2. Use pipe clamp to attach to muzzle (make sure clamp & bottle are not affecting target sighting, rotate and angle as needed. 3. Take a full powered shot once you confirm there is adequate venting. (Perhaps from the thread notch you cut. If not, poke a BB or half BB sized hole in it somewhere.) 4. When you shoot it you'll find the exit location. Use method of choice to open a small hole around the exit hole. This exit hole changes so make your hole about dime to quarter size. 5. Cover exit area with a good piece of heavy tape or a couple layers of light tape. This will reduce the amount of TP poof puff that blows out and will keep the big hole closed with exception of the little one in use and maintain the pressure/sound. - I don't think most people need to fully silence an airgun unless shooting indoors with mom home! The fast TP roll method is fast install and fast uninstall, limits sound greatly outdoors and the loose TP doesn't affect shot performance almost at all. Eventually after a few rounds the BB's bore out (blow out!) their path through the TP and shot to shot performance is maintained. I can't say anything else will be as effective and cheap or as easy!
I was thinking the same thing also, cci quiet sounds like a co2 and air going off follow by a impact, marlin model 60 19 inch barrel, and no it doesn't cycle the gun, it goes bolt action
A Bergara BA13/Scout CVA in 300BLK is my go to rifle for thick bush hunting. 16" barrel, very short rifle overall, a little heavy for it's size though. Unfortunately, I've found Hornady Sub-X rounds unsuitable for hunting. Since other options are limited here and I don't reload, I've reverted to using supersonic rounds which definitely do the job (Hornady FTX). Anyone with a Firearms Licence can buy a suppressor in New Zealand. I imagine most people have them on their hunting rifles. It's a health and safety issue as far as I'm concerned.
My 300 blackout AR suppressed with subsonic is pretty quiet the brass ejecting and hitting the tailgate of the truck is actually louder than the round when it fires
I have a similar setup with a Ruger bolt action and a Sig can using Maker all copper bullets for suburban deer control and it's a quite deadly combination to 100yds.
The loudest sound produced by a spring powered air rifle is the spring hitting the stop at the end of the chamber after trigger release. It is a very mechanical noise and very loud with some airguns. That is the sound in the video: spring impact not gas pushing a projectile. But, that said, it's a good demonstration and I do like CVA Scout.
You are getting such a big kick out of that rifle. It makes me smile and laugh myself. Can you imagine how the first person felt when he created that cartridge and silencer combination? I bet he was blown away. In fact " I know he was". I was there when it was created and I must have laughed 5X more than you are. Take a guess what that cartridges first name was? I know, I know! The answer is, "300 Fireball". Years later somebody I know changed the name to "300 Whisper". Both names are appropriate for that cartridge. Most understand "whisper", but where do you suppose that "Fireball" name came from? I know, I know! This all took place in the late 1970's/early 80's and the first silencer for that cartridge/rifle was a "slide on" friction fit silencer. It could be put on and taken off in about 1 to 2 seconds. That very first silencer for that very first rifle ( and the barrel/rifle) still exist today. Do you know how to make it even quieter without extending the length of the silencer? I do, I do! You can maintain the same killing power and still make it even quieter. In fact I know how to make it MORE powerful AND make it even quieter. The design engineer that created that rifle/cartridge combination, designed to be used with the 240 grain Sierra hollow point match king bullet. It is that bullet that will increase that cartridges killing power. I know all of this info to be factual. The first silencer for that rifle/cartridge combination was built with air craft aluminum, then completely covered with a plastic type material. If you saw that silencer today, you would have no idea what you were looking at. It was designed that way. The same silencer can be used for any 30 cal. rifle with a contoured barrel. In other words you can slide it off the 300 Fireball ( Now called Blackout) and slide it right on a 30-30 in 1 to 2 seconds. I was actually able to get the 30-30 so quiet I could hear the firing pin hit the primer. I almost peed my pants with laughter when that happened. I'm happy to see you enjoying the 300 Fireball. Did you ever figure out where the "FIREBALL" name came from? Kindest regards...
A doctor/researcher friend said the left ear deafness was caused by driving with the window down. Also said that over 50% of those he studied never shot a weapon at all.
I first heard the left ear deafness was from driving with the window down, as well. I'm a left handed shooter, have almost always tried to protect my hearing, so far a little tinnitus is my gripe. Motorcycles, lots of horsepower toys, jet engines, guns, etc... just be smart and wrap it up. wait. wut?
I just found your Chanel on YT algorithm. 10 seconds after watching I thought "Hot Dang! This is the guy from Improve Photography" !! I lost track of you a long while ago, but I did support your channel, and bought different Luts and stuff from you back then! Glad I found your channel, and just wanted to say thanks for all of the great stuff you posted previously. I'm sure this will be just as good.
Although I am not a 300blk fan, I run the same thing with my .350legend. Its AR so you do hear the slide racking but the guy next to me thought I was shooting a compressed airgun.
The first shot was 82 decibels not 93.1 when it hit the steel it jumps to 93.1 but the sound from the rifle firing is 82.0 decibels , I could be wrong but I played it in slow motion and that's what it appears to be and the steel hitting noise was louder even though it is farther away
I have 4 300 blk. The CVA is one of them, with my YHM can and sub 200gr Makers it’s crazy quiet. Several years into the suppressed 300 game and I still giggle with every shot. When you shoot a deer you can hear the round contact the meat.
@@solomonknew1117 Yes but if im at a distance with high ground. Either A they know where I am and therefore the suppressor isnt necessary, or B they dont know where I am and im shooting at people who are unaware which will be VERY hard to argue self defense. Now if we're talking national defense sure. But for regular self defense a suppressed break action would not be anywhere near my first choice for a self defense gun. still cool though.
I'm gonna probably be the bad guy here. I'm unsure that a subsonic 300 Blackout is the correct choice for a deer beyond 75-100 yards. Had two bad experiences with it this year, my neighbor shot a doe that ran 1000+ yards onto my property, i found her still alive and alert, required a final shot from me with a 308. Next one was a 200 ish lb boar hog, neighbors son shot it with an identical subsonic load, again made it on to my property where I found it and took a finishing shot with my 260. I run all my hunting rifles suppressed and run supersonics through all of them. I see much quicker taking of game with supersonic vs subsonic.
@@edgreywolf Maybe with supersonic ammo. Certainly not with subsonic. My 30-30 load data is something like a 150 RN at 2200 FPS? If I'm remembering correctly.
Agreed. It wasn't developed for deer hunting. Designed for short barrel, close quarters (Probably indoor) combat. But it is a great round for lots of different applications
@@rovinruss4770 Subsonic .300 Blackout is not legal or ethical to use for hunting anything larger than a racoon. It delivers the same energy as a .45ACP around 500 ft lbs so the general rule is, if you would not use your .45 to hunt, then don't use subsonic .300 Blackout. They make 120 grain supersonic loads that are great for hunting but the subsonics deliver less than half of the energy as a .223 and the .223 is generally the legal minimum for deer.
For clarification the decibel scale is logarithmic. Basically an increase of 10 from 80 to 90 decibels is a significantly bigger difference then an increase of 10 from 70 to 80 decibels.
But the bad thing is 8.6 ammo won’t be in production until mid 2023 my buddy just built one he was a lucky person and was able to get 1 of the 200 dies for the 8.6 to make the ammo. He just built the gun as well
@@royjohnson465 They are a bit pricey for volume shooting. I can reload 44 mag subsonic using 240 grain XTPs for 50 cents a round at today's inflated primer and powder costs.
@@WayStedYou The 240s are more accurate. For deer, subs don’t kill due to energy, they kill through blood loss like a broadhead from a bow. Bullet placement is even more important.
I have a CVA Cascade in .223 with a suppressor. When using subsonic ammo, the sound is barely a pop. I also have a Honey Badger in 300 blackout with a Trash Panda and even when using subsonic ammo it has a loud crack. Barrel length has a lot to do with it.
.308 from a rifle (106.4), 9mm pistol (110.3), .22 LR pistol (105.1). Those numbers don't work for me for several reasons. Apps can be fine (iPhone/Pad decibel apps in particular seem to work well), but the positioning while firing is throwing it off. The rifle muzzle was several feet forward of where the pistol muzzles were while firing. I don't need to tell anybody sound moves in an omni-directional fashion, but the barrel does channel it forward (obviously enough). The sound forward will be the loudest, to the rear will be the quietest, and the actual level of sound will decrease relative to the arc (front to back) position. Sound waves travelling laterally from the barrel of the pistols being fired will ping the app with a much higher noise level than the sound coming out of the barrel of the rifle, because the actual end of the gun is several feet forward when you fired the rifle as compared to firing the pistols. To get a more accurate measurement you'd need to ensure the end of the barrel for any of the weapons fired was in almost the exact same position relative to the point of measurement. TL;DR - in no way is .308 quieter than 9mm or close to the same as .22 LR. Test was somewhat inaccurately done.
It takes a very specially designed bullet to even expand. Even then I would say it's only about twice as effective as a broadhead arrow from a nice compound bow. I have a set-up nearly identical to what he has here and I probably would not try to shoot a deer further than maybe 75 yards. Now the supersonic bullets are very effective. They are similar to a 7.62 x 39. As far as home security, if you are using a 300 Blackout, please use supersonics.
Heard one quieter than that once. Guy had a Ruger 9644 lever action in 44mag with an integral suppressed barrel....looked like a short real fat bull barrel. Load it up with 44 special...which is subsonic...and the only thing you could hear....and only if you had elephant ears, was the tick of the firing pin hitting the primer.
You need more barrel twist with sub-sonic rounds. It will make them more accurate and take away the bullet sound a bit more. I only have one AR that I can shoot sub-sonic rounds out of accurately, the others don't have enough twist. This is really something to think about when you purchase a rifle.
My buddy just got an 8.6 blackout and I'm amazed at how effective the 1 and 3 twist is. I've read articles about it being just a wimpy .338, but I'm not sure they shot the same rifle as I did. I can't wait for the ammo price to stabilize
Shooting noise consists of the muzzle blast, and the supersonic crack.The muzzle blast is (roughly) a "point source". The crack is a "line source". It is interesting to see how the noise drops off as you increase distance from it. Say you are standing 100 yards from the gun. With a line source, the noise drops off linearly - that is, if you double the distance from the gun, the perceived noise will drop to one-half. With a point source, it follows an inverse square law. That means, if you double the distance from the gun, the perceived noise will drop to one-fourth. Of course, a suppressor only operates on the point source, not the line source. You have to go subsonic to eliminate the line source.
You can do the same thing with a 308 bolt gun and subs. It's still much less effective on deer though as you are missing all the hydro that does most of the instant killing. Don't get me wrong it does work but nowhere near as well.
On a side note, I own the same Crosman pellet gun. Bought it for my 11-year-old. It's heavy for a pellet gun, it's loud for a pellet gun, there is no way, no how, my son can break it open. It also gets the most use of any gun in the house, we live on the outer edges of my town, with lots of wildlife, but still in town and the local PD isn't fond of us shooting in town. However, the trusty Crosman has dispatched more than one varmint. Unfortunately, suppressors are illegal in the People's Democratic Republic I live in, so my uses for .300 blackout are limited.
6:15 Hard of hearing in left ear from shooting? I thought it was from driving with the window rolled down. Left arm gets sunburned. Left ear gets beat by air noise. Both are hard on the ear drum.
Wow!!! I wanna see some tests done. Like a penetration test, a muzzle energy test, and a hydro-shock test. To see how useful it actually is. Great video though! Thanks for sharing a cool weapon.
The subsonic round he is shooting is loaded with the Hornady 208gr ELD-M bullet, search that on here and you'll probably find some gel tests. they don't expand at subsonic speeds though. Lehigh defense makes some 194gr and 197gr bullets that DO expand or fracture at subsonic speeds though. The 194gr is call "ME" or Max Expansion and the 197gr is called a controlled fracturing bullet, look those up.
The 300 Blackout actually sounds like a cork gun! That was a toy in the 1960's that I haven't seen since the 60's! The cork was on a string. You cocked the gun, popped the cork out of the barrel and stuck it back in again!
I like 300BLK, but...if you like subsonic suppressed, consider the 338 Spectre if you have a reloading press. Uses 6.5 Grendel BCG, 10mm magnum pistol cases, and 338 bullets. 225gr-300gr
A flash suppressor ( not a sound suppresser ) only blocks the flash in the sight pivture , so as to not bline the shooter's vission in the sight pucture ! A mussle brake releases pressure at the end of the barrel ( causing drag , also reduces mussle volocity slightly )to reduce recoil !
I have a Thompson Encore Pro Hunter set up the very same way. It is a lot of fun to play with but I would stick with the .308 for hunting and a 12 gauge for home protection. Now if you need to take out a raccoon that's after the chickens in the middle of the night, that's where this gun will shine. Get the job done and won't even wake the kids.
So, what you are telling me is that the cost of the rifle, the cost of the suppressor plus the cost of federal license to have the suppressor, is under $350.
Not only does air temperature affect the speed of sound, but also your altitude above sea level. If the speed of sound at sea level for a given temperature is measured at 761mph (1,116 fps), for example, at 5,000' with all other factors identical, sound will measure a hair under 748mph (1,097 fps).
I shoot 30 cal pellet rifles. Although the projectiles are more like 50g, they are traveling at 1000fps, and are probably penetrating better and flying straighter. The sound is lower, and you can have (I do) silencers on them. They are not regulated, they can be semi and fully automatic, they are more accurate and deadly. They also have few limitations on possession, since they are not firearms.
The first shot of all the guns was an unsuppressed supersonic .308 compare that to the suppressed subsonic .300BO at the end, is that not close enough for you? Or the simple fact that his conversational voice had a significantly higher decibel rating then the firing did, the pellet gun was also louder.... that's a 200+ gr bullet significantly quieter than a staple gun
I feel like the fact that it's easier to break the sound barrier in the cold than it is in the heat is a doorway into higher knowledge that we have yet to tap into.
@@tamstutz921 I mean in areas that are still untapped, obviously they have used this knowledge to further the technologies we are seeing - that goes without saying. The brain is majority water, for example. Atmospheric impact could have a causation in several aspects of neural development, embryonic development, etc... It could serve the purpose of discovering anti-gravity propulsions, there's really no telling. I do so wish that university wasn't capitalized on as much, as the commoner is often able to shed new light where geniuses overthink. The beauty of how everything is intertwined in this plane of existence is truly mesmerizing.
You really don't need a suppressor to play with quiet rounds. Subsonic pistol caliber rifle rounds do the same thing. I was shocked how quiet 44-40 is out of a long lever Marlin, and you can do the same thing with 30-30 subsonic. You can get away with pistol powder in levers/bolt actions where the action cycling doesn't rely on burn speed...it's hand loading that requires careful consideration for safety, but it's a joy to shoot.
@@tmv23b3 A 45 ACP 220 grain loaded with the fastest pistol powder that will push it to 950 fps out of a 16" barrel sounds like a pellet gun with no can. And yes, they will operate a 45 acp hi point carbine, that sounds like a pellet gun
@PineyJustice yeah that's not going to be hearing safe without a can. Have you shot that setup a lot without ear pro? Because that's why you think its sounds "like a pellet gun."
Nice video. You might have added a dry fire to compare the sound with and without the added cartridge noise. And maybe with and without the suppressor.
I tried to take a hog with a suppressed 300 Blackout subsonic, thinking it would do the trick on a boiler room heart lung shot. Nope, a little blood and the hog ran of. I was warned the subsonic isn't good for hunting. They were right, don't do subsonic for hunting. It is not appropriate or ethical, I learned and was in denial too. I learned... use supersonic suppressed 300BLK for hunting medium sized game.
I was fortunate years ago to get certified as a sharp shooter that allowed me to hunt in a protected reservoir. The deer had eaten much of the low hanging vegetation causing erosion when it rained. I hunted with a 300 Blackout, night vision scope and a silencer. Just to keep the police that patrolled the area informed, a call to the precinct letting them know I was there. My shots were 50-60 yards and all head shots. No fuss, no muss.
The problem with a lot of 300blk ammunition is that they are putting big heavy bullets in the subsonic rounds that are actually made for much larger .30 caliber rifles like 30-06 and .308 for example. So when you shoot them out of a 300blk they aren't designed to expand at such low velocities. A couple companies now make bullets specifically designed for 300blk subsonic and I assume they actually will expand at that velocity and probably would have done a better job on your hunt. But I'm not sure exactly what ammunition you used.
Open headers on your hotrod are illegal. Supressors should be mandatory also. I forgot to put on ear protection ONCE when I fired my .308 at a range with three walls and a roof; it was ear splitting LOUD.
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Silencers should be standard issue/mandatory for every firearm. There is absolutely no reason to have them classified as a controlled ATF item. Not only do they protect your hearing, but they also prevent you from annoying your neighbors.
Available without restriction, yes. Mandatory, absolutely not. Signed, a guy who owns several of them.
Once you add the word “mandatory” for any of this is when I draw the line 🤣
@@mojowaxwork4242 you mean like the criminals that already do whatever they want to whoever they want with whatever weapons they want as it is? Stop being afraid of inanimate objects.
@@mojowaxwork4242 Or The Gun Nuts .
This Guy Is Getting Off Shooting A Gun.
This is the best suppressed weapon sound level demonstration video I have ever seen. Thumbs Up Given!
Bolt action and lever action is just as quiet. Suppressor regulations are unconstitutional!
@@craighansen7594 On the plus side, Texas is slapping the AFT (Joe Biden's spelling) around on that very issue right now. The Armed Scholar seems to be keeping up with the battle.
I would like to see a comparison of this rifle and a bolt action 308 with sub sonic rounds. Both with no suppressor and both with the same brand and model suppressor.
Decibel meters are designed to measure steady state noise, like in an industrial environment with machines, fans, etc. Impulse noise, like gunshots, hammers, nail guns etc, are not accurately measured using devices like that because the sample rate is not fast enough to pick up more than one peak in the sound wave at a time. So throughout the course of the sound wave, the meter could be picking up any random spot within the span of the wave, whether or not that is actually the highest peak is up to chance. Check out PEW Science for measurable and understandable effects of suppressed weapons at the human ear. The suppression rating is actually more useful in comparing and understanding suppression across a host of weapon systems and makes it more easy to put loudness into perspective than only measuring decibels.
Wow very cool. It sure made a difference.. not sure why they don't like them on every gun ... It's a big needed part of guns I think ... To stop annoying other people, while shooting at home ....❤❤❤❤
Hunting is so much more pleasurable with a suppressed rifle, no blast, less recoil, quieter etc my Zastava 243 is laser accurate and easy to shoot and deadly.
Very cool video. The highlight was the comparison of supersonic and subsonic ammo in the same rifle. I had no idea that breaking the sound barrier makes that big of a difference to the sound level!
Makes a huge difference. Its the main reason 300 blackout was created. Point was to get a lot of energy in a suppressible round that could easily be retrofitted onto ar15 style rifles. Another great round to suppress is 45acp because its naturally subsonic. IMO it's not worth it to mess with high velocity rounds in a subsonic variant like 556 or 308. Another newer round that uses high mass low velocity to it's advantage for suppressors is 8.6 blackout.
Even in air rifles , I run a suppressor on my .25 cal pcp air rifle and when I'm shooting slugs I try to keep it just below sound barrier to keep it quiet, I do this by going with a heavier slug , but if I throw a much lighter slug in and break the sound barrier they can get as loud as a 22 long rifle
I remember going to a range in the UK firing Lee Enfield .303 ammo. Sitting in the butts, underneath the Target, and hearing the supersonic cracks!
Yea. You are creating a mini sonic boom when you break the sound barrier. It’s the whole reason sub ammo exists
The crack you hear in the butts is actually the bullet hitting the target. @@kitemanmusic
you're bang on about the left ear deafness, I did 9 years in the army using the FN 7.62 and Ive mid range damage but my right ear is ok
Did somebody say "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?"
that's why the instructors on the range tell you to wear your hearing protection, correctly.
In Australia we can't have suppressors unless you're a contract shooter or a primary producer, and even then, they make it really hard to get! The reason we can't have them is because our government think it's like in the movies where the hit man shoots people and no one hears it🤦♂️ I really wish the term silencer wasn't used, I just want to be able to protect my hearing and increase my chances when hunting!
Same reasoning for canada.
Virtually impossible to get in California also.
Australia has really attacked your freedom along with Canada. Our government is working on taking ours away also well. Sincerely America government is turning on its people. I agree with your statement. Hey guy breaking into my house please allow me to put ear protection on first. That way I can't hear you
I don't think a contract killed care's
Kind of like muggers
the irony is that in large urban US cities, ran by pro-crime Democrat party politicians, the response time by police to a reported situation is now measured in hours.
So the fact that the criminal gangs are using stolen, unsuppressed firearms has no bearing on helping to identify/locate the perpetrator - they are long since gone from the crime scene
Nobody once to work on the police force of these locales anymore so they suffer severe manpower shortages - the Covid jab policies they forced on officers only served to amplify the manpower shortages per all emergency responders
the consequence is that small businesses are shuttering and large businesses are relocating to places under Republican party control.
People are fleeing California in droves.
McDonalds CEO publically complains that he can't hire people to come and work at corporate headquarters in Chicago. New York policemen are taking jobs in places like Florida, Ohio, Tennessee, etc.
These Democrat-ran cities are rapidly becoming typical Communist-like, third world sh*tholes, while the political leaders are totally focused on taking gun rights away from the law abiding citizens
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I love my 300 blackout CVA. I don’t own a suppressor, but I deer hunt with it. I have a Vortex red dot which I put at the front of the rail. That allows me to carry the gun one-handed at the balance point. It is a superb rifle for short range, thick woods deer stalking. The Barnes 110 grain TTSX ammo is phenomenal in this little rifle.
So it's a rimless 30-30? Sounds fun.
This demonstration has me a bit confused about the bullet speed, with the target about 100 feet away? The trigger sound is clear and the target sound is clear, but maybe this is creating an illusion of a slow bullet. Does a sub-sonic bullet punch through the shoulders of a deer? The demo makes me doubt the speed of the bullet, and probably the actual math for speed of sound would prove the bullet capable.
@Randall Kelley - Be interested to know how much a 200ish gr sub sonic bullet like that, or whatever you hunt with, drops at like 100yds? Any idea? Or is this only good for even shorter range?
@@YouKnowTheyExist It should be ~1000 FPS at the muzzle.
Most of the .300 BLK subs have really good ballistics, so it carries it's velocity pretty well.
Yea, you can drop a deer with it at reasonable range.
@@YouKnowTheyExist Speed of sound is about 1.100 FPS, any target 22 LR or Short travel at under 1.100. You can perfecly shoot at 75 Yds and over with subsonic cartridges, A 22 cal Silencer can be much smaller because it retains less gasses than a big cal cartridge. If you can shoot game with a standard Vel 22 at 75 yds, you def can shoot Big game with a bigger cal, and bullet drop isn't that much at 100 yds. Muzzle loaders( Todays Newer are much faster) use large slow moving bullets out to 100 yds. If they are fine for Deer, else is just as good
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I didn't realize how badly I needed something in my life like this before, this is great!
So.....add in the suppressor and it's really a 1200-1500 dollar rifle, right?
CVA Scout is basically a Bergara. Comes from the very same factory in the Basque country. In Europe the CVA Scout is sold branded as Bergara TD 13 (TD = take down)
Interesting, that's great news, thanks!
I thought it looked familiar
My CVA Scout has become my "go to" rifle. Taken numerous deer and other critters. The workmanship is top notch, but it sure isn't fancy.. but very accurate! Mine's in 44 mag and I'm looking for another in 350 Legend. I'd LOVE to have one in 6.5 x 55
Thanks for "adding THAT"
Yes, I got a Bergara BA 13TD in .300 Blk with a 46 cm barrel and a large suppressor, added a cerakote finish and a camo thumbhole stock, use a 1-6x42 scope for hunting in dense wood. Use 110 gr GMX for deer/boars and change to 200gr subsonic for fox/badger/hare....solid, but heavy rife, short and very quite
Pressure transducer inserted down into a gallon jug of water through the closed lid with the wire headed to it all wiggly-piggly can be used as a very very good comparator of shockwave energy, just aim the jug's flat side at the firing position. Cellphone microphones have input limiting features that cannot be turned off.
I have shot a lot of 300 blackout in my AR with a suppressor. It is really quiet with the subsonic, but when shooting hogs it just punches holes and doesn’t knock them down. I have switched to the 6.5 Grendel for hogs. It’s not nearly as quiet , but great knock down power. Also 300 blackout subsonic is really a short range round it drops like a rock after 80 yards
everything drops at about the same rate vertically.. decreasing an object's forward velocity below the speed of sound creates that 'increased drop'.
It's basic physics man.. not rocket science. ;)
I prefer rounds to be 3000 fps or faster at 500 yrds the animal never heard the shot
@@robertf6523 Everything does NOT drop at the same rate. Try dropping a marble and a feather. Not everyone lives in a vacuum. I think you left out some of the physics. ;)
@@johnroberts3824 should you happen to get interested enough in physics to actually look into things: you'll find that if that marble and feather are dropped in a vaccum, they'll drop at the same rate.
But considering I specifically mentioned dropping an object's velocity below the speed of sound.. wouldn't the reasonable person be able to deduce I'm talking about explosion driven bits of lead or copper? :P
@@robertf6523 Sorry, just messin' with ya :)
I like how you kept it simple for everyone to understand and hopefully accept the concept of using suppressors in everyday use. Got the B/O bullets mixed up, but hey, stuff's gonna happen.
I love your excitement and great knowledge. I can’t believe how quiet that .300blk is out of a break action!
300 blackout is cool but it's for gas guns originally chambered in 5.56. For a strictly subsonic rifle, I'd go with a much larger bore like .45 - .50, a very short barrel, and a very long silencer. Instead of 180-220 grain bullets at 1050fps, you can have 500-700 grain bullets at 1050fps
That wold give the largest FPE. Launch a cannon ball at 1050 fps and get more FPE.
Or can just get a .22 pellet gun and use it for varmints 60 yards and closer.
I have to disagree. I've killed many deer with my 300 Blackout Handi Rifle with suppressor. It's a single shot and it doesn't spook deer. They just stare and look bewildered! Lol
@@chrisdodson2917 where ? Not in south east most likely. You can shoot a bow around here and clear a field no problem.
8.6 blackout and razorback is the newest fad in my opinion.
@@chrisdodson2917 He is just indicating a heavier bullet traveling at just below the speed of sound delivers more kinetic energy than a lighter bullet traveling at the same speed with no increase in noise. To get more energy on target quietly, the mass of the projectile must be increased. There is a limit on how much velocity can be applied before a sonic crack is generated from breaking the sound barrier. There is no limit for the mass.
Buddy of mine has an AR pistol in 300 blackout, with a big name brand suppressor. I was surprised that with supersonic ammo it was still uncomfortably loud. With subsonic ammo I think I could hear the gun cycling more than the round firing.
Semi autos will be louder than a single shot or a bolt action because of the action cycling and the gasses that vent when it cycles. Single shot and bolts most of the gasses go out the barrel.
Supersonic ammo will always have the crack from breaking the sound barrier
@@bemusedmusician807 This is always a tuff concept to realize since ANY projectile travelling at supersonic speed, (exceeding the speed of sound), will always register as a loud 'report' or sound and until a projectile's speed can be reduced to less than 1,100 fps
it will always do so.
By the way silencers neither touch nor slow a projectile, (bullet) in any way since the opening in the baffles has to be large enough for the bullet to pass through safely and also so as not to interfere with accuracy.
If you care, see my comments on Maxim's U.S. Patent for the "silencer" with was originally granted for use in the automobile at the time.
@@keithstroud2908 Same with revolvers due to the space between the face of the cylinder and the barrels breech.
True it will reduce the report some, just not as much as the movies present.
Short barrels are louder.
Interesting.. When I lost all of the hearing in my left ear the audiologist never told me that the left ear was more common. When you only have one working ear, you get really serious about hearing protection in the one that still works. Suppressors/silencers should not have the restrictions that they do, they save people's hearing. And I'm sorry but I have to mention it.. You said this is like a "don't shoot your eye out" pellet gun, and you're not wearing any eye protection. It took me years to get used to no hearing on one side, I'm sure it takes longer to get used to being blind on one side or possibly both, just sayin. Great video!
I can relate. I had severe high-frequency hearing loss by the time I was in my early 20s. Mostly from hunting/hiking occasionally with high-powered rifles without hearing protection. I now mostly shoot a suppressed 22 or 17 HMR. I wish I had a suppressor years ago. I get so angry when people talk about trying to ban them, especially after all the hoops we had to jump through to get them.
My hearing loss is in my right ear, probably because of the insanely loud dirt bike I had when I was a kid, with an expansion chamber on the right side. That subsonic round in this suppressed rifle is pretty amazing.
My left ear was the closest to the breach of a 3" 50 dual gun mount on my ship,,,the VA gives me my hearing aids...also M-14, 1911 .45, M-60 light machine gun,,,etc...
Most of my hearing loss in in my right ear. Like you I take every precaution to preserve what's left of my hearing.
You probably already know this, but "don't shoot your eye out" is a movie reference for A Christmas Story (1983), where the main character wants a pellet gun for Christmas, and every time he tells someone what he wants (his family, mall santa, etc) they all dismiss it with "no, you'll shoot your eye out".
Eye protection is still probably a good idea.
An AR platform chambered for 300 Blackout shooting sub-sonic with a 7.5" to 10.5" barrel and a can. That's an ideal home defence rifle. Powerful deterrent that will not render you and your loved ones deaf afterwards.
Fair point but if you're fighting for your life hearing damage isn't really a priority
Even subsonic the 300 would go through the wall and your kid.
@@feellnfroggy Yep. If I lived alone, than might be an option. But with a family I'd go 16.5in semi-auto or pump with buckshot. Add a flashlight with a remote trigger.
Americans are always surprised to learn that in the UK moderators are the norm on everything. No extra paperwork or costs, it is the norm to include a moderator on everything from a .22 to a 338 or a 50 BMG when you apply for a certain calibre on your licence. In fact if you forget to request one the Police licensing dept will call you and offer to put it on for you. In the UK you can even buy a fully integral suppressed Mossburg pump straight off the shelf and because it is a shotgun you don't even have to request a moderator on your licence (BTW we have used integrally suppressed shotguns since we air dropped them to the French resistance in WW2, we all sh*t ourselves laughing when the TV programme "Sons of Guns" thought they invented the first silent pump as we looked at our 75 year old examples on the rack!). Anyway, crazy how different countries have different gun laws.
well if I own a suppressor here in the Netherlands, I would probably go to jail for a few months and never own a rifle again.
@@12vibaba Why do governments fear suppressors? You guys ought to bring a class action on the basis of hearing damage. I thought suppressors were mandatory throughout the EU because of hearing damage? It is illegal to shoot on Forestry Commission, or Crown owned land here without one.
I love my suppressor from Dead Air. I paid $1,000 for it and my 6.5 creedmoor is so pleasant to shoot without ears on. It honestly sounds like a .22
What model need one for my bergara
You forgot to add the best part about Dead Air. They are multiple caliber by just changing the endcap and are quick attachable/detachable with provided muzzle break. No I do not work for Dead Air.
That's expensive for a moderator (silencer/suppressor) - a .223/.308 proofed moderator here in Ireland & UK is around £300/€350 inc. taxes etc. Plus, we only have to register it on the firearms cert, not serialised or anything. They are encouraged actually.
I have a DEAD AIR TI on my SIG CROSS .308 and it's as loud as my .22 WMR, same with the can on a RUGER PREDATOR 6.5 Creed.
The original patent (Hiram P. Maxim) was for a "silencer", not a "suppressor"; "suppressor" might be more descriptive, but "silencer" is more correct. Personally, I use both, occasionally in the same sentence.
Of course , We all Do
I say muffler
Seems more relatable, nobody likes a car without a muffler
Something can’t be „more correct“. Maxim may have invented the device but he does not have authority over its terminology. Both terms are apt.
@@josephsherman4913 "Nobody likes a car without a muffler"
Oh boy, how wrong a single sentence can be...
@@borkwoof696 it’s even debatable if he was the first to invent a suppression device, just the first to file a patent.
Dude thats insane. Thank you for doing this review buddy most guys are too cool to review a single shot rifle. Theyre stupid. Ur cool. Keep it up.
The first patented suppressor was the "Maxim Silencer" built by H.P. Maxim, son of machine-gun inventor H.S. Maxim. So if it's a Maxim, it's definitely a "Silencer". But, like Kleenex and Aspirin, the name is in universal use. Son had to follow dad's footsteps, his full name was Hiram Percy Maxim.
I came here to say this thank you for saving me some time!
Thanks for the history lesson. I read his wiki, senior. Wow!
Actually Aspirin was the name given by Baer to the FORMULA not actually a brand name and most people say tissue not Kleenex.
and Mr. Maxim was also the inventor of the automobile muffler. I own several firearm mufflers mostly because in the 1980's and 1990's I managed Midas Muffler shops and it's the same hot stuff!
what about curad and ban-aid or flavorade and kool-aid or grape juice and grape drink or ice cream and ice milk
A standard SKS 7.62x39, handloaded with hardcast lead bullets, with just enough powder to fire the bullet is hands down the quietest non-nfa rifle. After each shot the bolt must be manually pulled to the rear to eject the spent case and load the next cartridge. Excess gas bleeds off internally, but not enough to move the bolt. Its is scary quiet.
It should be called a suppressor for branding reasons. Silencers are scary john wick silent killers. Suppressors should be legal to own because they’re a safety tool to prevent hearing damage
I mean the name of it is a silencer. I believe using cozy words give more ammunition for the anti 2a people. They see how much we are willing to change .
"Sound Mitigation Device"😜
Silessor
Mainly still called a silencer during to the original patent from Hiram Maxim. Either it being called a suppressor or silencer, any anti 2A person, politician, or organization will hate and demonize it because it is apart of the firearms world.
@@19austin83 thoughts on binary triggers,bump stocks,frt’s etc?
I've ran a 300 blackout full auto suppressed with subsonic ammo. Even then it was super quite. Great video and thanks for the link for the knives.
Kool: 1 question, how do you go Full A with a single shot rifle?
@@MarkMason77 300 blackout is ammunition....not a gun...lol
@@MarkMason77 mine is a scary black rifle with a 16 inch barrel. That is how it can.
@@louiscapasso4452 if im looking for 1 gun to do it all, you rec 300blkout? im torn between a few stuff
It was also originally patented as a “silencer”. First sold in 1902 and patented in 1909 by Hiram Percy Maxim.
One of the oldest "secrets" to quiet gun operation id using heavier bullets. The heavier bullet is slower,yet retains much of the energy of the powder charge. A subsonic 400 grain 45/70 is quieter than a standard 250 grain 45 colt. out of the same barrel length, while delivering more downrange energy.
I have done quite a bit of testing in this area. The one thing he didn't touch on is that the foot pounds of energy delivered at the target is dramatically reduced with subsonic ammo. What my team quickly figured out is you want to use the heaviest bullet you can get in what ever caliber you want to make quiet. Then load the charge to put is just below sonic speed and as he states. Use a single shot rifle. We have managed to shoot almost any caliber what we call "Hollywood quiet" Just like in the movies
I bought a brand new H & R like this one in 30-30 caliber for $49.95 in 1975 and for $20 more you got the 20 gauge shotgun barrel to go with it. The rifle barrel was drilled and tapped for scope mounts.
That was my first thought. Why's it so expensive but far cheaper than i expected the parts would cost.
I "lost" an H&R Topper-Buck, 12GA, in 1979 (it "grew legs"); ¡¡MAN, I STILL "miss that" particular tool!! (I was a United States Merchant Mariner at the time, ... It DID fit nicely into a standard "duffle bag"!!) {NOT "Ready to GO"... As I recall, you even needed a screwdriver, to "make it ready to fire"!}
Wow thsi is so not remotely interesting yet has nothing to do with this video at all.. thanks for your valuable input there piper
Years ago I bought a Rossi single shot kit gun, .410, .22lr and .243 barrels for I think, it was $199. The single shots are fun to shoot.
@@slowery43 - 30.30 vs .300... Cheap price points of the past, vs. the "cheapest" now, and an interesting convertible option in the same (30.30) caliber...
It seems the O.P was interesting to some, and also RELEVANT to this video, which ironically enough, yours was not. I'm sure you were raised to believe that your opinion matters, Hoagers, but in the end, it won't change facts.
I have 3 of the cva scouts 6.5 creed,.444 marlin ,300 blk and they are great accurate guns. I got mine before the rona hit and they were 250 bucks on gun broker
Ditto. Got one in 350 Legend in 2019 for about $340 shipped/FFL transfer fees.
I have a 350 Legend and a 300 Blackout. Both are great rifles.
love how you say it will take down a deer with energy ~478 ftlbs. i totally agree but all your other videos its 1000ftlbs for deer 1500 for elk ....9mm only had 300-400ftlbs i think thats plenty its more about accuracy/ shot placement problem is most people can't accurately shoot some of the lighter stuff
Shot placement don’t mean much if a bullet doesn’t have enough force to penetrate more than 2 inches
@@bpolly69 well i don't hunt with a red ryder but just about anything with powder can penetrate 2 inches but smaller calibers like 22s have terrible bcs and sds and group terrible find a caliber that groups well and has a high sd thats more important once you get passed daisy penetration power
~Yes with a soft nose hunting bullet it is a minimum of 1000 ft/lbs "energy" for deer and 1500 for moose & elk at any given distance, but does the .300 Blackout have enough "energy" at 50 or 100 yards to kill these 3 big game animals.?? (Also the .300 Blackout regular cartridges have more "energy" than the subsonic cartridges.)
I have the same CVA scout only with an AAC SDN-6 suppressor . Mine is just as quiet with loading up the inexpensive 125gr. Speer tnt’s over 5gr of Trailboss. From time to time , guys will have get togethers to go shooting. I usually bring the CVA and everyone is always mind blown over how quiet it is .
I have an Encore with a Bergara barrel and a Harvester silencer and its just about as loud with a subsonic as it is with a standard velocity round! These are both Hornady factory loads! I dont think they put any baffles in the silencer!!
When the cva scout 8.6 blackout is released........ I'm getting one asap!
And for the last 30 years you could have had a TC Contender etc in 338 Whisper..... or a 300 Whisper, or 375 Whisper or even a 500 whisper..
@@HebrewHammerArmsCo except TC isn't making anything right now, but I do have one in 338 federal
I use my 6.5creed suppressed and it’s fine for hunting without ear pro if you fire only 1 time. Silencers are awesome
I have the scout in .350 legend. Great gun for the money! I still need to pick up a silencer for it and make it even sweeter.
I have a 350 and a 300. Both are great.
Nice to hear just springs and action!
I did a large diesel oil filter on my Marlin .22 semi-auto rifle and used subsonic ammo, I've never heard a gun so quiet.
In fact it was very similar to the last in this video but I tested in my living room!
I can assure you my .22 was more silent.
All you heard was a spring loaded firing pin smacking, then the bolt opening and closing on the partially expelled round and a knock sound from the round hitting a 2x4, there were no other associated sounds!
FYI, the sub ammo did about as much damage to a 2x4 as my 1250fps .177cal pellet rifle but with zero 'gun fire' sound.
I typically silence my airguns too!
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My go to fast & effective air rifle silencer is hella simple;
Place a roll of TP over the barrel. (Squeeze it first to get a better fit if needed)
Pull off about 4ft of TP and shove it into the TP roll opening. (Place portion of tape over to keep TP shreds in as needed. Personally I enjoy the shreds blasting out!)
Done.
I used this method for years while eradicating finches unsuccessfully!
Once I loaded 3 BB's in my Crossman and pumped it 13x, the finch I hit just disappeared, ceased to exist, nothing left but a few feathers floating and a red spat mark behind it!
I hunted from the front of the house 2nd storey in a typical neighborhood in silicon valley! 10x to 30x a day!
(Finch tree was a very large Yucca plant 15-20ft from the window.)
Cool thing about the Yucca is that small things dying in it stay in it!
Very very very few birds landed for the kitty.
(Poor kitty had to brave the sharp edges to get a kill.)
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A more permanent solution was a narrow bottle (like IceWater or whatever sparkling fruity water it is!?!?!)
1. Trim a long narrow notch into the threaded area side of the bottle and fill bottle with as much light tissue as possible without packing it too too tight.
2. Use pipe clamp to attach to muzzle (make sure clamp & bottle are not affecting target sighting, rotate and angle as needed.
3. Take a full powered shot once you confirm there is adequate venting. (Perhaps from the thread notch you cut. If not, poke a BB or half BB sized hole in it somewhere.)
4. When you shoot it you'll find the exit location. Use method of choice to open a small hole around the exit hole.
This exit hole changes so make your hole about dime to quarter size.
5. Cover exit area with a good piece of heavy tape or a couple layers of light tape.
This will reduce the amount of TP poof puff that blows out and will keep the big hole closed with exception of the little one in use and maintain the pressure/sound.
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I don't think most people need to fully silence an airgun unless shooting indoors with mom home!
The fast TP roll method is fast install and fast uninstall, limits sound greatly outdoors and the loose TP doesn't affect shot performance almost at all.
Eventually after a few rounds the BB's bore out (blow out!) their path through the TP and shot to shot performance is maintained.
I can't say anything else will be as effective and cheap or as easy!
But with a goofy filter on the end you can't use sights of any kind!!
I was thinking the same thing also, cci quiet sounds like a co2 and air going off follow by a impact, marlin model 60 19 inch barrel, and no it doesn't cycle the gun, it goes bolt action
@@DonutVIP CCI quiets are my go to for squirrels, and they cycle in my rem speedmaster that also cycles with shorts.
There is a buddy of mine who made a 6.5 Grendel with a 20in barrel with a Suppressor ranging about 71db with Subs, extremely quiet
2:20 LOL! I love seeing channels like yours grow. I've been really enjoying your review and tips videos.
I have one in 350 Legend. It's a great, and accurate gun.
Why is the difference?
So jealous you found a CVA Scout. I’ve been looking for one of those all summer
They are crazy hard to find in 300 Blackout, so I went with the Thompson. I think they are even gone now. Real shame because they are great guns.
The BEST part of this video...
...is your laughter.
Pure joy makes my day.
A Bergara BA13/Scout CVA in 300BLK is my go to rifle for thick bush hunting. 16" barrel, very short rifle overall, a little heavy for it's size though. Unfortunately, I've found Hornady Sub-X rounds unsuitable for hunting. Since other options are limited here and I don't reload, I've reverted to using supersonic rounds which definitely do the job (Hornady FTX). Anyone with a Firearms Licence can buy a suppressor in New Zealand. I imagine most people have them on their hunting rifles. It's a health and safety issue as far as I'm concerned.
My 300 blackout AR suppressed with subsonic is pretty quiet the brass ejecting and hitting the tailgate of the truck is actually louder than the round when it fires
I have a similar setup with a Ruger bolt action and a Sig can using Maker all copper bullets for suburban deer control and it's a quite deadly combination to 100yds.
The loudest sound produced by a spring powered air rifle is the spring hitting the stop at the end of the chamber after trigger release. It is a very mechanical noise and very loud with some airguns. That is the sound in the video: spring impact not gas pushing a projectile. But, that said, it's a good demonstration and I do like CVA Scout.
You are getting such a big kick out of that rifle. It makes me smile and laugh myself. Can you imagine how the first person felt when he created that cartridge and silencer combination? I bet he was blown away. In fact " I know he was". I was there when it was created and I must have laughed 5X more than you are. Take a guess what that cartridges first name was? I know, I know! The answer is, "300 Fireball". Years later somebody I know changed the name to "300 Whisper". Both names are appropriate for that cartridge. Most understand "whisper", but where do you suppose that "Fireball" name came from? I know, I know! This all took place in the late 1970's/early 80's and the first silencer for that cartridge/rifle was a "slide on" friction fit silencer. It could be put on and taken off in about 1 to 2 seconds. That very first silencer for that very first rifle ( and the barrel/rifle) still exist today. Do you know how to make it even quieter without extending the length of the silencer? I do, I do! You can maintain the same killing power and still make it even quieter. In fact I know how to make it MORE powerful AND make it even quieter.
The design engineer that created that rifle/cartridge combination, designed to be used with the 240 grain Sierra hollow point match king bullet.
It is that bullet that will increase that cartridges killing power. I know all of this info to be factual. The first silencer for that rifle/cartridge combination was built with air craft aluminum, then completely covered with a plastic type material. If you saw that silencer today, you would have no idea what you were looking at. It was designed that way. The same silencer can be used for any 30 cal. rifle with a contoured barrel.
In other words you can slide it off the 300 Fireball ( Now called Blackout) and slide it right on a 30-30 in 1 to 2 seconds. I was actually able to get the 30-30 so quiet I could hear the firing pin hit the primer. I almost peed my pants with laughter when that happened. I'm happy to see you enjoying the 300 Fireball. Did you ever figure out where the "FIREBALL" name came from? Kindest regards...
This was one of the best and informative videos I have seen!! Great job. I am buying one ASAP.
c_air = 331.3 × √(1 + T/273.15),
where T is the air temperature in °C. This formula returns speed in m/s.
A doctor/researcher friend said the left ear deafness was caused by driving with the window down. Also said that over 50% of those he studied never shot a weapon at all.
Most Harley riders go deaf in the right ear cause the pipes are on that side…
@@chickenwing111 deaf and alive is still technically alive lol
@@cantgo2fast we should all drive around blowing our horns non stop, I suppose.
Seems more reasonable explanation for left ear deafness generally, and I can certainly verify the shooting explanation as well.
I first heard the left ear deafness was from driving with the window down, as well. I'm a left handed shooter, have almost always tried to protect my hearing, so far a little tinnitus is my gripe. Motorcycles, lots of horsepower toys, jet engines, guns, etc... just be smart and wrap it up. wait. wut?
I just found your Chanel on YT algorithm. 10 seconds after watching I thought "Hot Dang! This is the guy from Improve Photography" !! I lost track of you a long while ago, but I did support your channel, and bought different Luts and stuff from you back then! Glad I found your channel, and just wanted to say thanks for all of the great stuff you posted previously. I'm sure this will be just as good.
Although I am not a 300blk fan, I run the same thing with my .350legend. Its AR so you do hear the slide racking but the guy next to me thought I was shooting a compressed airgun.
The first shot was 82 decibels not 93.1 when it hit the steel it jumps to 93.1 but the sound from the rifle firing is 82.0 decibels , I could be wrong but I played it in slow motion and that's what it appears to be and the steel hitting noise was louder even though it is farther away
I have 4 300 blk. The CVA is one of them, with my YHM can and sub 200gr Makers it’s crazy quiet. Several years into the suppressed 300 game and I still giggle with every shot. When you shoot a deer you can hear the round contact the meat.
You should have shown the other big benefit. You can take down the CVA and it fits in a standard backpack!
I would have shown that… if I had known that 😀 That’s cool!
Suppressors are actually used to keep muzzle flash from giving away enemy position and has a added bonus to reduce noise.
I wouldn't use a break action single shot rifle for defense but still really cool how quiet that thing gets.
Amazing hunting rifle for sure.
You would at distance with high ground, unless your nervous about one shot lifestyle?!
@@solomonknew1117 Yes but if im at a distance with high ground. Either A they know where I am and therefore the suppressor isnt necessary, or B they dont know where I am and im shooting at people who are unaware which will be VERY hard to argue self defense.
Now if we're talking national defense sure. But for regular self defense a suppressed break action would not be anywhere near my first choice for a self defense gun.
still cool though.
I honestly think that 300 Blackout with a suppressor is the future, assuming prices for ammo come down and suppressors become easier to obtain
You forgot 'also' a "subsonic" cartridge. Hornady makes a subsonic line of cartridges.
Shit in one hand and wish in the other bro.
Ill take subsonic 308 over 300blk
@@mrs.vasquezz Hornady does makes 300 blackout but does "not" make 308 subsonic. Does someone make subsonic 308 cartridges and/or handloads.?
@@royjohnson465 yes
I'm gonna probably be the bad guy here. I'm unsure that a subsonic 300 Blackout is the correct choice for a deer beyond 75-100 yards. Had two bad experiences with it this year, my neighbor shot a doe that ran 1000+ yards onto my property, i found her still alive and alert, required a final shot from me with a 308. Next one was a 200 ish lb boar hog, neighbors son shot it with an identical subsonic load, again made it on to my property where I found it and took a finishing shot with my 260. I run all my hunting rifles suppressed and run supersonics through all of them. I see much quicker taking of game with supersonic vs subsonic.
I agree
It is equal to a 30-30..... at 100+ yards it is better than 30-30
@@edgreywolf Maybe with supersonic ammo. Certainly not with subsonic. My 30-30 load data is something like a 150 RN at 2200 FPS? If I'm remembering correctly.
Agreed. It wasn't developed for deer hunting. Designed for short barrel, close quarters (Probably indoor) combat. But it is a great round for lots of different applications
@@edgreywolf Only with the lighter supersonic loads like the 120 grain tac tx bullets.
Hey.... you know the 45 ACP shoots a 230 grain bullet at subsonic speeds .... super powerful just like the 208 grain subsonic 300Blackout ....
300 blk is silly
45 ACP has the ballistics of a brick. 300 BLK has much longer range than 45 and is way easier to make quiet.
So your hunting with 45ACP? Or just home defense?
@@rovinruss4770 Subsonic .300 Blackout is not legal or ethical to use for hunting anything larger than a racoon. It delivers the same energy as a .45ACP around 500 ft lbs so the general rule is, if you would not use your .45 to hunt, then don't use subsonic .300 Blackout. They make 120 grain supersonic loads that are great for hunting but the subsonics deliver less than half of the energy as a .223 and the .223 is generally the legal minimum for deer.
Don’t brag too much. Very very outstanding video. Super performance. Great job. Keep up the good work. Thanks a lot friend. SC Navy vet 🇺🇸. 1965.
For clarification the decibel scale is logarithmic. Basically an increase of 10 from 80 to 90 decibels is a significantly bigger difference then an increase of 10 from 70 to 80 decibels.
I’m sure you r getting quite a few people saying this but I would love to see you try out a 8.6 blackout. Love the channel man!
Exactly what I was thinking.. especially since he does already own a 6.8. It would just take a barrel swap.
And a 338 spectre…..
But the bad thing is 8.6 ammo won’t be in production until mid 2023 my buddy just built one he was a lucky person and was able to get 1 of the 200 dies for the 8.6 to make the ammo. He just built the gun as well
The 8.6 blackout would be quieter! The difference between the diameter of the bore helps out with similar cartridges.
Literally the action makes more sound that the round does. I love subsonic rounds and cans.
If you reload subsonic 300 blackout, recommend you try VV N320 powder. It works great in all my subsonic loads for 44 mag and 6.8 SPC.
Also Hornady makes a line of subsonic cartridges.
@@royjohnson465 They are a bit pricey for volume shooting. I can reload 44 mag subsonic using 240 grain XTPs for 50 cents a round at today's inflated primer and powder costs.
@@hghunter44 would you not be better off doing 300 grain to get subsonic speeds and still retain energy?
@@WayStedYou The 240s are more accurate. For deer, subs don’t kill due to energy, they kill through blood loss like a broadhead from a bow. Bullet placement is even more important.
@@hghunter44 I see, thank you. Yes subsonics lack energy to kill deer.
I have a CVA Cascade in .223 with a suppressor. When using subsonic ammo, the sound is barely a pop. I also have a Honey Badger in 300 blackout with a Trash Panda and even when using subsonic ammo it has a loud crack. Barrel length has a lot to do with it.
.308 from a rifle (106.4), 9mm pistol (110.3), .22 LR pistol (105.1). Those numbers don't work for me for several reasons. Apps can be fine (iPhone/Pad decibel apps in particular seem to work well), but the positioning while firing is throwing it off. The rifle muzzle was several feet forward of where the pistol muzzles were while firing. I don't need to tell anybody sound moves in an omni-directional fashion, but the barrel does channel it forward (obviously enough). The sound forward will be the loudest, to the rear will be the quietest, and the actual level of sound will decrease relative to the arc (front to back) position. Sound waves travelling laterally from the barrel of the pistols being fired will ping the app with a much higher noise level than the sound coming out of the barrel of the rifle, because the actual end of the gun is several feet forward when you fired the rifle as compared to firing the pistols. To get a more accurate measurement you'd need to ensure the end of the barrel for any of the weapons fired was in almost the exact same position relative to the point of measurement.
TL;DR - in no way is .308 quieter than 9mm or close to the same as .22 LR. Test was somewhat inaccurately done.
It would be interesting to shoot the subsonic ammo into gel, to get an idea of stopping power. Also bullet drop at 100, 200 and 300 yards.
It takes a very specially designed bullet to even expand. Even then I would say it's only about twice as effective as a broadhead arrow from a nice compound bow. I have a set-up nearly identical to what he has here and I probably would not try to shoot a deer further than maybe 75 yards.
Now the supersonic bullets are very effective. They are similar to a 7.62 x 39.
As far as home security, if you are using a 300 Blackout, please use supersonics.
Drop is HUGE. Like MASSIVE.
Heard one quieter than that once. Guy had a Ruger 9644 lever action in 44mag with an integral suppressed barrel....looked like a short real fat bull barrel. Load it up with 44 special...which is subsonic...and the only thing you could hear....and only if you had elephant ears, was the tick of the firing pin hitting the primer.
You had me at 44
My "Wish-List" is GROWING!!!
You need more barrel twist with sub-sonic rounds. It will make them more accurate and take away the bullet sound a bit more.
I only have one AR that I can shoot sub-sonic rounds out of accurately, the others don't have enough twist.
This is really something to think about when you purchase a rifle.
My buddy just got an 8.6 blackout and I'm amazed at how effective the 1 and 3 twist is. I've read articles about it being just a wimpy .338, but I'm not sure they shot the same rifle as I did.
I can't wait for the ammo price to stabilize
Just load more standard weight projectiles to subsonic speeds & they will be totally fine in your slower twist barrels.
Shooting noise consists of the muzzle blast, and the supersonic crack.The muzzle blast is (roughly) a "point source". The crack is a "line source". It is interesting to see how the noise drops off as you increase distance from it. Say you are standing 100 yards from the gun. With a line source, the noise drops off linearly - that is, if you double the distance from the gun, the perceived noise will drop to one-half. With a point source, it follows an inverse square law. That means, if you double the distance from the gun, the perceived noise will drop to one-fourth.
Of course, a suppressor only operates on the point source, not the line source. You have to go subsonic to eliminate the line source.
You can do the same thing with a 308 bolt gun and subs. It's still much less effective on deer though as you are missing all the hydro that does most of the instant killing. Don't get me wrong it does work but nowhere near as well.
On a side note, I own the same Crosman pellet gun. Bought it for my 11-year-old. It's heavy for a pellet gun, it's loud for a pellet gun, there is no way, no how, my son can break it open. It also gets the most use of any gun in the house, we live on the outer edges of my town, with lots of wildlife, but still in town and the local PD isn't fond of us shooting in town. However, the trusty Crosman has dispatched more than one varmint. Unfortunately, suppressors are illegal in the People's Democratic Republic I live in, so my uses for .300 blackout are limited.
I have the same pellet rifle, yup not really for youth because it's so difficult to charge.
I'm a big airgun fan with over 50 in my collection. Try a Beeman R7 for your youngster. Very high quality and easy to cock.
Great Educational Video Yet!!!! This should be shown as a Hearing protection too, for suppressors to have no control!
Awsome, would love to hear your thoughts on the 8,6 blackout.
6:15 Hard of hearing in left ear from shooting? I thought it was from driving with the window rolled down. Left arm gets sunburned. Left ear gets beat by air noise. Both are hard on the ear drum.
"This is known by 2 different names. A silencer and a suppressor"
"... So anyway, this CAN here..."
Wow!!! I wanna see some tests done. Like a penetration test, a muzzle energy test, and a hydro-shock test. To see how useful it actually is. Great video though! Thanks for sharing a cool weapon.
The subsonic round he is shooting is loaded with the Hornady 208gr ELD-M bullet, search that on here and you'll probably find some gel tests. they don't expand at subsonic speeds though.
Lehigh defense makes some 194gr and 197gr bullets that DO expand or fracture at subsonic speeds though. The 194gr is call "ME" or Max Expansion and the 197gr is called a controlled fracturing bullet, look those up.
great video! fascinating single shot rifle you presented! thank you!
The 300 Blackout actually sounds like a cork gun! That was a toy in the 1960's that I haven't seen since the 60's! The cork was on a string. You cocked the gun, popped the cork out of the barrel and stuck it back in again!
pump action assault cork gun.😄
They sell those to kids at Cabela's/Bass Pro. My son loves his!
I like 300BLK, but...if you like subsonic suppressed, consider the 338 Spectre if you have a reloading press. Uses 6.5 Grendel BCG, 10mm magnum pistol cases, and 338 bullets. 225gr-300gr
A flash suppressor ( not a sound suppresser ) only blocks the flash in the sight pivture , so as to not bline the shooter's vission in the sight pucture !
A mussle brake releases pressure at the end of the barrel ( causing drag , also reduces mussle volocity slightly )to reduce recoil !
I have a Thompson Encore Pro Hunter set up the very same way. It is a lot of fun to play with but I would stick with the .308 for hunting and a 12 gauge for home protection.
Now if you need to take out a raccoon that's after the chickens in the middle of the night, that's where this gun will shine. Get the job done and won't even wake the kids.
Hard to believe that it could be THAT quiet!!
Turn you speaker off, you can't hear it at all. WOW!!!!
So, what you are telling me is that the cost of the rifle, the cost of the suppressor plus the cost of federal license to
have the suppressor, is under $350.
not likely, mate nfa fee is $200 alone...
@@Bosco-knows-all And the suppressors START at $600, going up to $1150.
Not only does air temperature affect the speed of sound, but also your altitude above sea level. If the speed of sound at sea level for a given temperature is measured at 761mph (1,116 fps), for example, at 5,000' with all other factors identical, sound will measure a hair under 748mph (1,097 fps).
I shoot 30 cal pellet rifles. Although the projectiles are more like 50g, they are traveling at 1000fps, and are probably penetrating better and flying straighter. The sound is lower, and you can have (I do) silencers on them. They are not regulated, they can be semi and fully automatic, they are more accurate and deadly. They also have few limitations on possession, since they are not firearms.
I wanted to hear the difference compared to without the suppressor.
I was asking myself that too.
The first shot of all the guns was an unsuppressed supersonic .308 compare that to the suppressed subsonic .300BO at the end, is that not close enough for you?
Or the simple fact that his conversational voice had a significantly higher decibel rating then the firing did, the pellet gun was also louder.... that's a 200+ gr bullet significantly quieter than a staple gun
I feel like the fact that it's easier to break the sound barrier in the cold than it is in the heat is a doorway into higher knowledge that we have yet to tap into.
You mean like we could learn faster in the cold?
@Richard Mcintyre lol, I figured it was something along those lines, i just like to say something ridiculous every once in a while.
Aerospace engineering and aviation tapped into that decades ago.
@@tamstutz921
I mean in areas that are still untapped, obviously they have used this knowledge to further the technologies we are seeing - that goes without saying.
The brain is majority water, for example. Atmospheric impact could have a causation in several aspects of neural development, embryonic development, etc...
It could serve the purpose of discovering anti-gravity propulsions, there's really no telling.
I do so wish that university wasn't capitalized on as much, as the commoner is often able to shed new light where geniuses overthink. The beauty of how everything is intertwined in this plane of existence is truly mesmerizing.
@@hazsneax you'd enjoy Deepak Chopra, and similar nonsense merchants
You really don't need a suppressor to play with quiet rounds. Subsonic pistol caliber rifle rounds do the same thing. I was shocked how quiet 44-40 is out of a long lever Marlin, and you can do the same thing with 30-30 subsonic. You can get away with pistol powder in levers/bolt actions where the action cycling doesn't rely on burn speed...it's hand loading that requires careful consideration for safety, but it's a joy to shoot.
You need a suppressor to play with "quiet" rounds that won't still damage your ears if you shoot them without ear pro though.
@@tmv23b3 A 45 ACP 220 grain loaded with the fastest pistol powder that will push it to 950 fps out of a 16" barrel sounds like a pellet gun with no can. And yes, they will operate a 45 acp hi point carbine, that sounds like a pellet gun
@PineyJustice yeah that's not going to be hearing safe without a can. Have you shot that setup a lot without ear pro? Because that's why you think its sounds "like a pellet gun."
I have a CVA Apex (single shot) in 35 Whelen. It is an awesome rifle. .5" at 100 with 180gr barnes vortex ammo.
It's refreshing to listen to someone that knows what they are talking about.
Nice video.
You might have added a dry fire to compare the sound with and without the added cartridge noise.
And maybe with and without the suppressor.
Interesting topic!! It is super unfortunate that suppressors require a tax stamp. Suppressors definitely change the shooting experience.
I tried to take a hog with a suppressed 300 Blackout subsonic, thinking it would do the trick on a boiler room heart lung shot. Nope, a little blood and the hog ran of. I was warned the subsonic isn't good for hunting. They were right, don't do subsonic for hunting. It is not appropriate or ethical, I learned and was in denial too. I learned... use supersonic suppressed 300BLK for hunting medium sized game.
I had a 300 SUB lead splatter me. It definitely does not have enough haul ass. 10.25" AR
I was fortunate years ago to get certified as a sharp shooter that allowed me to hunt in a protected reservoir.
The deer had eaten much of the low hanging vegetation causing erosion when it rained.
I hunted with a 300 Blackout, night vision scope and a silencer. Just to keep the police that patrolled the area informed, a call to the precinct letting them know I was there.
My shots were 50-60 yards and all head shots. No fuss, no muss.
The problem with a lot of 300blk ammunition is that they are putting big heavy bullets in the subsonic rounds that are actually made for much larger .30 caliber rifles like 30-06 and .308 for example. So when you shoot them out of a 300blk they aren't designed to expand at such low velocities. A couple companies now make bullets specifically designed for 300blk subsonic and I assume they actually will expand at that velocity and probably would have done a better job on your hunt. But I'm not sure exactly what ammunition you used.
@@gungadinn yeah, that’s not a normal hunting circumstance. For regular hunting I guess is what I’m talking about.
@@ShootingUtah I reload, so I was using a Hornady round head. Trying to take advantage of the soft tip.
Open headers on your hotrod are illegal. Supressors should be mandatory also. I forgot to put on ear protection ONCE when I fired my .308 at a range with three walls and a roof; it was ear splitting LOUD.
I like the way you go back and forth, back and forth between the pellet gun and your silenced rifle.