My thoughts on Roger Waters Dark Side Of The Moon Redux
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- My thoughts on Roger Waters Dark Side Of The Moon Redux
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A quick video on my initial thoughts on the new Roger Waters interpretation of Dark Side of the Moon. More just a Vlog than anything else.
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I think my issue is with Waters claiming DSOTM as 'his' album -10 tracks and Waters has 7 writing credits, Wright 5, Gilmour 4 and Mason 3 - it's very much a band album
So, he just deserves MOST of the credit, not all of the credit?
Yep, he acts like he's the "architect" of Dark Side but Time opens with a rerecording of Syds clockwork room at end of Bike, then Waters copies Syds "scribbly black" term in it as well then Waters adopts Syds idea of bringing a female singer and saxophone player in for it as well though Waters said Syd wanting them brought in was a "crazy idea" and used it as the "final straw" excuse to have Syd thrown out of his own band then got super rich from Syds uncredited ideas.
Syd was responsible for all the stand out ideas on that album which made it such a big seller anyway but he didn't even get a posthumous joint credit for the clockwork room element of Time then Alan Parsons weirdly got the kudos instead, it all makes a mockery of Waters claiming to be it's creative driving force anyway and also makes a mockery of Waters claim to have been "Syds best friend".
Roger writes all the lyrics and creates the concept. Without that you would just get some songs, not an album for millenium
Even putting tracks in this order and not another makes a difference and is beyond talents of others
@@ralphiecifaretto8961 *"So, he just deserves MOST of the credit, not all of the credit?"*
... Waters deserves 1/4 credit - just like the other three members. Does the designer of the motor in a Lamborghini Countach get "most of the credit" for why people want to own one?
You got this issue 100% right, it's different to the original which makes it essencal for me. It's not trying to better it, it's re imagination, it's like meeting an old friend you haven't seen for 30 odd years and finding out they have changed and getting to know them all over again.
I'm sooo happy roger is still in the game. He's amazing!
When I was 15 years old, I heard the DSOTM for the first time and I still listen to it. I wouldn't say that I do it every week, but I'm sure that in these 50 years I haven't stopped listening to it at least once a month. I am counting the days until October 6th to hear the REDUX. Money is precious. I didn't expect anything more than a change - not with the guitar and sax of the original - but rather something really new and with a Roger Waters stamp. I thought it was fantastic! Although as I said, I will always continue listening to the original as soon as I have life left...
Yup, Me too although I was well into my 20s and I revisit it muliple times each year - it is a seminal work of Rock and it will be so 50 year from now!
Agree. And very excited for the full thing
Thank you for posting this. Rogers had such a pounding for this and I don't know why. All he's doing is celebrating a 50 years since its release by doing an alternative version. It's so much better than something like the cringe worthy Girl in a Yellow Dress by Gilmour.
I don't mind that tune but it is a classic case of somebody who doesn't really know anything about jazz trying to do a jazz tune. I guess everyone's allowed a Harry Connick Jnr moment.
@@MatthewNorthMusic wow. I don't know about jazz but I always believed that the most creative music was brought forward by artists who weren't the best or most educated musicians. They alway had the artistic vision.
@@MatthewNorthMusic People don't want it to be same. They just don't want it to suck and the new version of money sucks.
@@juliosanchez95 That is unfortunate. But it doesn't really, it just isn't the original.
Yup! As I posted in a previous comment, Roger can remake "Thriller" if he wants, so long as he pays the fees!
I actually listened to dark side of tve moon loudly for the first time in S long time and it blew me away. Really the strongest reaction in tears. Amazing! It was the 50 year anniversary version. It has to be better cause it really touched me like never before. I got it on cd in 88for Christmas.
Here’s Roger, I’m so good that I can improve on a masterpiece. Not a chance dude.
@@yohosame Just by the fact that he's remaking it. It's going to sound better or worse than the original. He he going for worse? No!
I will wait till the whole album is released till I voice my opinion whether it's a dud or a justified release. But I have no doubts that it will never replace the original in a million years.
That's the whole point it's not meant to . . . .
Really interesting and thought provoking, Matt. When I first heard about Redux, I was extremely sceptical - how can you re-record one of the world’s finest albums? However, you make some really good points, especially the comparison to Mike Westbrook and jazz. Musicians should be re-defining and re-imagining their music, otherwise it does become boring. I often wonder how artists manage to perform their greatest hits live, night after night. Thanks again for this, I’m off to listen to Money on Spotify! Leo
I am producing a retrospective film on Roger Waters. Could I please ask permission to maybe use a small clip of this video?
Kind regards
Barry
In what context I mean if you wanted to I could probably do an interview
@MatthewNorthMusic I am talking to fans and reviewers on UA-cam along with Floyd websites, tribute bands, and more. If you were interested, you could give a verbal statement that could be used .
Kind regards
Barry
Drop me an email address on my website
Matt! After listening to Roger Waters' redux of 'Money' I was very sceptical about the DSOTM Redux and I have been unsure on whether to buy the vinyl. However, after watching this video and your opinions on it I am just about to pre-order it because I feel that every point you made it perfect and is completely fair. I think Roger re-releasing DSOTM is exactly what we all needed and gives a different approach to a classic.
I also specifically like your point of jazz players constantly changing the material they perform and that Roger is doing the same thing however on a much larger scale. During his 'This Is Not A Drill' tour he constantly came in every day and changed the performance and the songs in some sort of way and he did the same with his recent 'The Wall', despite there being over 200 shows and no one complained!! That is sort of what he is doing with the redux. I am happy you were able to convince me to buy the record and hopefully show others that there should be no shame in shining different light on DSOTM, especially because it has been done before and hopefully this version will be better!!
Redux is cool, but the four of them with Alan Parsons was pure magic.
And this version is not meant to replace it.
@@opinion3742 Agreed.
@@navasaband There does seem to be a lot of people acting like it is.
I think everyone and his dog can't escape the definitive version by THE Pink Floyd.
I don't have a problem with other interpretations myself, Nick Mason is doing exactly the same🤔
"Everybody's hollering 'bout their own birthday" ©John Lennon
Point being ?
@@MatthewNorthMusic just a random thought, considering your notion about the same birth day with RW
I agree, I am quite interested in the different interpretations Rodger is doing, & to the people bashing him, you don't have to listen to it! As for your noisy record, have you ever tried a PVA glue clean? It has worked wonders on some of my noisy records. It really cleaned the audio up. Good video btw 👍
Great Gig in the Sky is the only track on the original DSOTM that hasn't been bettered imho. Like you I rarely listen to the complete original album as I prefer many of the tracks from other performances. Waters redux of DSOTM is going to be different, very different, and I'm quite looking forward to it.
I disagree Roger needs, and has always needed, a producer/collaborator who can tell him - yes that's a good idea, and no, that's a terrible idea.
He's just stroking his own ego at this point and banging people over the head with his political views without the subtly or lyrical inventiveness of the Floyd's earlier work or even some of his solo work. This is Jar Jar Binks Side of the Moon.
Yeah!
*"This is Jar Jar Binks Side of the Moon."*
... And here I was thinking Jar Jar Binks couldn't be taken any lower.
I can't buy that!
Very interesting analysis, thank you! I agree, why not re-do DSM? I’m looking forward to it. I did see Roger’s “This Is Not A Drill” show, which was really fabulous. I am subscribing to your channel!
While I didn't attend any shows on this tour, I did see Drill in the cinema, and even though the sound mix was iffy, I enjoyed it a lot.
The lockdown sessions is a very good album I really do like the versions he’s released here
Wow, someone who thinks like I do, Roger's version, so far is beautiful. Fair play, I'm sick of Waters bias, and I'll leave it at that.
Most of the criticism I've read about this are by people who simply hate Waters anyway. You know, the whole Waters/Gilmour divide. We've not heard it yet, so how can we know? Money is okay, but Dark Side is a whole, and picking at individual tracks has never truly been how to experience it. Like you, I want it to be "different". So I hope Roger stretched the concept a little. And if he can't have a redo, who can?!? Frankly, unlike some, I think it's a brave thing to do. The original is so sewn into the fabric of rock music, it's almost sacrosanct. Almost! But worry not, we'll still have the original in various formats.
ps: The whole, "it doesn't sound like the record" thing at gigs is so maddening I've stopped going to shows! No wonder so many top line acts are miming and using backing tracks these days, it's the easy way out. Whatever happened to gigs including new tracks to kick thing off, and laying into well known ones at various points? Those were the days.
Good points.
Thank you David.
Let's not kid ourselves. How well would Roger's concepts and executions go over WITHOUT Gilmour's and Wright's MAJORITY vocals ? Genius...maybe. Vocalist...passibly.
So you would recommend "lockdown sessions" then? I may very well invest in the LP as well as Dark Side. Will just have to see how much they're charging for it!
For sound is go for cd over LP for lockdown sessions
Hey man, this world needs fresh,cool sounds!! Roger was bold enough to “re-imagine”it and take to the studio.I’m sure loads of new and young people will turn on to it all and possibly become better human beings !
No need to try and reinvent a masterpiece. Ego
@@garylester8621 don’t listen to it then. The new concept may me good some of the more open-minded.
@@garylester8621 maybe it takes ego to get things done .I say he has earned it.
He acts like he's the "architect" of Dark Side but Time opens with a rerecording of Syds clockwork room at end of Bike, then Waters copies Syds "scribbly black" term in it as well then Waters adopts Syds idea of bringing a female singer and saxophone player in for it as well though Waters said Syd wanting them brought in was a "crazy idea" and used it as the "final straw" excuse to have Syd thrown out of his own band then got super rich from Syds uncredited ideas.
Syd was responsible for all the stand out ideas on that album which made it such a big seller anyway but he didn't even get a posthumous joint credit for the clockwork room element of Time then Alan Parsons weirdly got the kudos instead, it all makes a mockery of Waters claiming to be it's creative driving force anyway and also makes a mockery of Waters claim to have been "Syds best friend".
From hope diamond to cope diamond.
You have my support mate👍
Wonder if Roger is going to sing Great Gig in the Sky 😅
First vid of yours I’ve seen.
Love the old school homely cassette rack!
Agree with you about The Division Bell. Elevator music to me. Pointless dirges without a single memorable moment.
Disagree with everything else!
I get that after listening to the same clinically perfect music hundreds of times eventually different performances are welcome such as live/bootleg ones.
But different doesn’t necessarily mean better. Singing in a mock Leonard Cohen voice to disguise the fact that other than that hectoring screech of his he can’t actually sing. The laughably slow pace the goofy lyrics the amateur hour sound effects all point to this being a parody. Yes it’s humourous. But was Waters trying to make a comedy record? I really doubt it. It’s humourous but I was laughing AT it not with it.
Waters could remove all the guitar and sax solos and everything that made Money stand out and replace it with mumbling and the die hard fan club would still approve. Cause that's exactly what he did and exactly what ensued.
funny you post this Matt - just streaming “Money”
and the advert for Rogers LP came up before my video played when i was checking it haha!
I think it's great he is doing what he wants with the album at 80. He has changed nothing for anyone who just wants to listen to the original. The post waters Pink Floyd is stadium rock. It lacks the attitude and bite of a Waters. Might be great as a musical endeavour (and certainly a commercial one live) but it says very little.
How can you say the new version of Money is quite good? It's rank rotten.
For all the "Emperor's new clothes" people out there who worship Waters, from what I've heard from this DSOTM Redux ... it's absolutely horrible.
You have heard it all in full then?
@@MatthewNorthMusic *"You have heard it all in full then?"*
... I have heard the entirety of "Money" and his redo of "Comfortably Numb" which employs the same "whispering / moaning" style. If there are other tracks that deviate from this Johnny-Cash-wannabe style, then I will reconsider. However, as it stands right now, Waters has lost his perspective of what separates good music from bad.
I attribute this to ego.
Since the Final Cut, Waters has been locked into the idea that people want to hear him reading from his memoirs while highly skilled musicians aching to do something great are forced to play background music.
You and I both know that this version of "Money" will be _purposely_ forgotten within a year and serve as the epitaph for a once-great musician who self-imploded.
It's not the first time this has ever happened to a musician.
I`m not having all this negativity about DSOM Reflux. Cut the bullshit about Roger`s vocal on Money sounding like Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits. It sounds like Viv Stanshall doing Vincent Price.
Roger did DSOTM live in my city, Cork, in Ireland 2006. Nick Mason played the entire DSOTM set, which wasn't even half of the whopping 2hr 20mins or so set. Not the best quality here, I got a bootleg of the time on DVD, and IIRC, it has much better sound that this, but I guess this isn't bad for the year ua-cam.com/video/V6pL3H1mTzU/v-deo.htmlsi=JoL6woH12EWg2im9
I saw that at Hyde park with nick then again without nick at Earls Court then again x2 at the O2 arena al gret shows. I got the tripping out in cork bootleg dvd !
It was quite a treat having Mason appear out of nowhere, I don't think there was an advertising of that at the time, @@MatthewNorthMusic. Glad you got that live bootlegs, I'd imagine you probably have all that stuff, it's actually quite good.
People don't want it to be same. They just don't want it to suck and the new version of money sucks.
Great Gig in the Sky and Us and Them. Rick Wright co-wrote those.
Dark Side was a group effort, probably next to last group effort at that.
No, Roger cannot lay claim it's "his " album soley. That's bollocks.
It's not about money with Waters. It's credit and he wants all the credit for Dark Side...and it's a false claim.
I won't buy it.
It was good in its day. But theres better bands and albums today.
I say McCartney is to blame for Roger's insolence, and both should be punished forthwith.
If Depeche Mode or Mr. Bungle covered it, i would instantly said that its awesome, because it would be AWESOME.But , this arrogancy is so annoying that this has nothing to do with its original. Its just Rogers EGO trip
Mr Bungle! 😊
Very informative, thanks, however having heard once new $$ version I will never gonna repeat it. You too, dont delude yrselves. Its as boring as ditchwater .. no joy in it plus that poem is incomprehensible to a non-native speaker. / Respect
He acts like he's the "architect" of Dark Side but Time opens with a rerecording of Syds clockwork room at end of Bike, then Waters copies Syds "scribbly black" term in it as well then Waters adopts Syds idea of bringing a female singer and saxophone player in for it as well though Waters said Syd wanting them brought in was a "crazy idea" and used it as the "final straw" excuse to have Syd thrown out of his own band then got super rich from Syds uncredited ideas.
Syd was responsible for all the stand out ideas on that album which made it such a big seller anyway but he didn't even get a posthumous joint credit for the clockwork room element of Time then Alan Parsons weirdly got the kudos instead, it all makes a mockery of Waters claiming to be it's creative driving force anyway and also makes a mockery of Waters claim to have been "Syds best friend".
no thank you
Waste Waters stood on the back of greatness and claimed to be the genius .... So listen good folks... without Gilmour, Wright and Masson this is what the DSOTM would sound like... clearly never selling over 40 million copies. If lucky Waste Waters may have sold a few 100k much like the rest of his failed albums with a combined 150000 total copies.. This is nothing more the another funeral march. I went o his last show and like many walked out. His Us and them tour was great. sad you think this death march was good.
Dont like rogers voice
Sorry but I think it's a bad song