What if GERMANY Won WW1?
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The Germans created the Schlieffen Plan to quickly defeat France and Russia and end World War 1 in a few months. This did not happen and the war ended the German, Austria, Russian, and Ottoman empires. Today I explore how the Schlieffen Plan could have worked and what would have changed if it did.
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You're amazing man! Love your content!😊😊😊😊❤❤❤
Love your work
What If Italy and Greece signed treaties and sided with Britain and France and not Germany and Austria. before and during WW1.
I don't like boats I'd rather stay on land😅
Nice, please male a video on what if the Bantu Expansion never occured and on what if the Indo-European Migrations never happened
This is crazy because youve managed to make a world where Austria becomes a massive influential force in ww2 instead of a burden. Id like to see a continuation of this.
What if the great Greek plan( Catherine's the great of Russia's plan to restore the Byzantine Empire) succeeded
There was no way that would or could have worked. So why even make a video about that.
@@Ultima-Signait could have worked if not for the damn British intervening in Crimea and Palestine in the 1800s. Russia would have conquered the Ottomans and revolutionized the Balkans and Levant.
Basically the British wanted Palestine for themselves. And wanted to use Yugoslavia to break Austria, so they subverted the Tsar’s ambitions in the Crimean war. Honestly the British are like 10x worse than the Jews 😅😂
YES! Great idea!
"Russia's plan to restore the Byzantine Empire"
A laughable plan, impossible to achieve. One can never resurrect what has been dead.
I would like to see both Austrian super power and a Ww2 scenario with this video time line
I think we first need the continuation of this (possibly a three way scenario) then the Austrian victory
The Habsburg Empire would have disintegrated sooner or later, regardless of Germany's victory or defeat.
@@sszorinvery true, it was bound to happen once the Hungarians asked for more autonomy.
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Love it, but not to be rude but I think it would help to speak a little further from the mic
ngl seemed like a drop in quality lol. The whole video felt rushed with you just reading the script at max speed with no pauses. And animatios were just way worse than the ones in what if Nepolean survived ;-;
The bordergore in this scenario is absolutely off the charts
I would go with Kaiserkreig, meaning Imperial War.
Good idea
Kaiserkrieg
Kaiser means emperor not imperial. That would be Kaiserliche-krieg
@@Videntis.History what if ottoman won ww1.
Ngl, this is one of the most interesting WWI alternate history scenarios I've ever seen.
Love the quality of your maps and the new animation style. Happy New Year 2024 Videntis!
Thanks a ton!
What if the Reconquista had carried on into North Africa?
Probably a big Jihad
It did.
That would be extremely horrible, but it already technically happened, the frensh really wanted to convert the magrebi to Christianity
North Africa would br more European, more Wealthy, better standards of living. Instead of Nomadic Arab Culture.
@@LordDirus007 i hate what you're saying with a burning passion, specificzlly because it's WRONG, north africa already had empires during the liberation of iberia
I don't think the British would just allow the French to take the Holy land.
Yeah I was gonna say that part seemed especially silly to me
And British central powers victory is both parishion the word and both get nuclear bombs calling the cold war
Why Not? Because of the belford accords? Or is it because of the sues canal
I doubt Britain would be willing or have the means to stop them if they wanted to
@@minestar2247Because of the symbolic implications and its closeness to the Suez Canal. The British literally suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties just to land there in real life. They would never let anyone, especially France have the land because of their presence on the world stage.
I loved this scenario and would love to see a continuation of it one day!
As an Armenian-German, I see this as an absolute win
You do realize that after gaining so much non Armenian territory this new Armenia would've become a Muslim majority country right? This entire video doesn't even try to be somewhat realistic, it's just pure wish fulfillment. Because if it wasn't a wish fulfillment, realistically that Armenia instantly would've collapsed into civil war.
In this timeline the genocide doesn’t take place. So actually no, it would still be majority christian as it was before.
@@AnlairDeth You do realize that even before genocide those regions were heavily mixed right? Even before the genocide only city in Eastern Anatolia/Caucasus that was majority Armenian was Van and Yerevan. Cities like Kars, Ardahan etc etc were all either Turkish or Azeri majority with significant Armenian minorities. Even without the genocide this Armenia would've become a majority Turkish/Azeri country unless they themselves decide to commit a genocide.
@@simulacrumpilot2777Voluntary migrations would happen and many Cilician Armenians would migrate to Armenia, also smaller amounts of pontic Greeks and Assyrians
Happy new years videntis , came from possible history after your what if germany never existed and i thoroughly enjoyed it as well as the rest of your videos!
thanks so much, i hope you like this
Like this if you think the CENTRAL POWERS would win WW2
When’s part 2 coming???
CENTRAL POWERS FOR THE WIN!!!
I personally lean toward a case of a Central Powers and Great Coalition victory rather than one side outright winning.
It would be a stalemate
they would not
im liking it anyways
0:05 Democracies are different from Republics, because Monarchies like U.K. and Japan are Democracies, this is because of 1 thing, how the Head-of-State is chosen, if it's chosen by the people, it's a republic, but it also means that the people sometimes CAN'T choose the rest of the Government, if it's chosen by hereditary succession, it's a monarchy, but it also means that the people most-likely CAN choose the rest of the Government.
Happy new year videntis! Love your content! Suggestion: What if the sons of Charles VI survived and there was no war of austrain succession
I'd love to see a continuation of this timeline. What other major events do and do not happen? And what events in this one wouldn't or couldn't happen in our timeline?
Can you please do what if Hannibal won the Second Punic War. You make such amazing content keep your up❤, you will succeed
What if Bohemia became a great power? (Great video btw, Would love to see part to where Austria betrays Germany like Italy in ww1, and then realizes all Austrian Ambitions)
Please do the Austrian Superpower scenario.
It was all quiet on the western front…
I would hate to be the power that started stuff in central/south America. The US would not like anyone but them messing in their backyard.
You know it's going to be a good day whenever Videntis uploads.
As to the WW2 in this timeline. Whichever side the USA joins after Japan inveitably attacks the USA because Japan's Imperial ambitions in the Pacific would come to clash with the US no matter the scenario and they remained sore about the US forcing them to open up to begin with, the countdown for Pearl Harbor began the moment Commadore Parry sailed into Japan's waters to break the door of isolation down and really once the Tokugawa Shogunate fell during the Boshin War the two powers were set on a collision course.
Basically though whichever side the US joins is the one that wins, even with the US having stayed neutral in WWI the US still would have become a major global power due to geography and many other factors. General rule whoever kicks that sleeping giant is the one that loses. It's the number one rule of warfare for a reason because everyone that has done it always ended up failing. Also before anyone brings up Vietnam and Afghanistan the former was basically started by the US government using a false flag attack so in that case we weren't the agressor and in the case of Afghanistan our main targets of that invasion the leaders of Al Qaeda behind the 9/11 attacks were killed and Al Qaeda has never recovered so I'm going to consider that a win.
Nah I feel like that if Japan is on Great Britain's side then there less likely a chance of them striking the US, as Japan could pressure Britain into giving influence in China, land in the Raj and South East Asia. Plus if Britain goes to war with the Imperial Brotherhood Japan will be attacking Russia in the underdefended Russian Far East. And even if Japan attacked USA I'd like to think they are much more prepared for this, as they are not as stretched out in our timeline, plus they do have Britain on there side and it would stretch out the Americans much more on the homeland border with Canada, the Pacific were Japan would have much more free reign to cause havoc and war crimes and the Atlantic with Britain. In the end I feel like it would be too much pressure for the Americans. 2 Naval superpowers against the up and coming USA plus the land border with Canada. Not saying that they're going to be fully annex by Britain or Japan, but either become a puppet or close allies with the winners (reverse Japan USA scenario) or just surrenders and calls it a day. You could argue nukes but in this timeline the Americans could only really strike Canada as they don't have the range. With who they join with I could see them making there own faction, something like Pax Americana or something, because they don't really align with the Central Powers, I mean maybe the Imperial Brotherhood since Quebec is right there but I dunno. You are correct with whoever kicks the sleep giant is the one that loses, but that's only because the only ones who were dumb enough too were small rebel insurgencies and a overstretched undersupplied Japanese Empire. And everybody knows 9/11 was a inside job, "Oh shit we just suddenly lost trillions of dollars what do we do?" They only invaded Afghanistan because Oil, and for Vietnam it was there insane thought of the commies spreading. Name me one communist country that's grown into an economically, morally and militarily strong country.
I think the imperial brotherhood or the central powers would win since Japan's goals in the Pacific will clash with the US for who has more power in the Pacific
Cool video man 👍 I think the USA and Austria Hungary will be two wild cards in a Second World War.
for the spanish civil war i feel like the democrats and habsburgists could fight together for a constitutional monarchy, especially if Karl is still emperor, could see them supporting the british alliance in ww2
Surely TTL Ottoman Empire is in a better position overall as a legitimate institution vs OTL wartorn one? Why does it fall apart so irreparably here?
Perfect the Turks in our time over the Empire. 😅
The problem with any such scenario is that the Schlieffen plan is completely unrealistic by 1914. There's a reason why it was called the Schlieffen-plan while the current man in charge of it was called von Moltke.
It really doesn't matter how many soldiers Germany has at the Western front, simply because they would never get into position in time, the roads and trains simply weren't built for it. The Schlieffen plan was concieved back when train systems were far less built up and mobilization took a lot longer. By 1914, mobilization, especially in countries like Germany or France, which had well thought out mobilization tables and good rail networks happened in weeks, not months. And no matter what, the German army would always meet mobilized French troops in their way, instead of cutting between them and surrounding them. Even the entire German army couldn't deliver this outcome anymore, because adding more soldiers to a traffic jam doesn't somehow make them move faster.
Despite this, the Schlieffen plan was a desired outcome for the German political and military elite. It gave them the hope that they could deliver a decisive blow to France and avoid a two-front war. They didn't want to hear that it wasn't going to work, so no one told them. Even though the plan became more and more impossible, they still just adhered to it. Von Moltke "solved" this by drafting a plan that just ignored reality and had several divisions just randomly appear in France at the flanks of the German spearhead, but in reality there was simply no way for these troops to get there in time.
In the end, it's a testament to the German army that they got as far as they did, but at the same time this plan prevented anyone in charge to change course and actually try something different, instead of slavish adherence to a plan that wont work.
As an example and maybe idea for another video, if German high command had accepted that the Schlieffen plan was impossible now, they might just let Belgium be neutral and concentrate on the Eastern front.
The only way the Schlieffen plan would work would be fatal errors by the French or randomly giving Germany a 20 year technological advantage.
Actually, some historians argue that the plan was not executed correctly and if it were, it would have worked, better than our timeline at least.
What if Imperial China was a Colonial Superpower? Nice stuff ❤. What if the Turkic Migration never happened? What if Columbus was right all along about Geography in the World? What if the Black Death plague happened today on the 21st century? What if the Ottoman Empire industrialized? What if the Ottoman Empire survived and became a Nuclear Weapons-armed Powerhouse? What if the Abbasid Caliphate and Industrialized with Steam Power? (Steampunk Islamic Golden Age alt history) What if Slaves in the Swahili Coast overthrew their masters and Created a Sultanate of their own? (called the Kiswahili Sultanate) what if the age of exploration never happened?
This universe is huge for ship enthusiasts if you think about it... Lusitania AND Britannic both never sink which is huge for Cunard and WSL
carpathia would have also not have sank
@@randombelugaman Carpathia would have been scrapped probably 1920-ish, hell of a timeline
@@LymetimeProductions ships like SS Bretagne (Normandie's Unbuild sister) RMMV Oceanic And MV Viktoria (a german liner) and other unfinished ships would have been build
Nice video. But Imperial Russia would never sign such disastrous treaty, or at least this should cause a revolution against tsar.
Russians behave. It doesn't matter what they say. We dint need any imperialism. I think they are gone. Now. Time to escape the Russuan front now. 😂 hey, hey, hey 👋😊😊
Austria victory sounds interesting
Salutes to the two ancestors I know of who fought in this war. My second Great Grandfather Nicolaus Reichet and Peter Semevolos my Great Granduncle.
Please. Make the videos about Austria-Hungary winning WW1 and this WW2
Could you explain further what would happen in south america? I mean in this time Brazil became a nationalist dictatorship and Argentina was in a golden age. And how the Portuguese would influence the Spanish civil war?
What if the Indo-European Migrations never happened?
3:15 seems like theres gonna be a lot of angry balkaners🙄🙄
the thing I love about your videos is that the titles may seem unrealistic af but u just somehow brainwash my brain into believing and embracing the alternate reality.
idk if u r gonna see this but
pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssseeeeeeeeee could you do a part two of the What If Spain and Portugal united video pleeeaaaaassssssse. Have u alr got the video ready or r u still making it, pls tell me it's ready. I can't wait for it dude.
Like this if you think the IMPERIAL BROTHERHOOD would win WW2
If they get the USA to support them and Quebec independence the imperial brother hood could offer the USA the rest of Canada andnthe british bambamas.
@eidoneverchoosen1171 you mean Bahamas? Regardless I don't think that would work. The US has historically only broke with the monroe doctrine and isolationism for ideological goals, and the imperialist brotherhood is the faction they have the least in common with.
VIVE LE FRANCE 🎉🇫🇷
The SCHLIEFFEN PLAN may of never existed according to Gerhard Ritter, I'd suggest you read Kritik eines Mythos by him
we gettin a part 3 to alexander soon, its got 3k likes...
An Ottoman victory and they still collapse? That's pretty bizarre, kinda took me out of it
Mustafa Kemal still existed hahaha, the treaty of sevres couldn't get applied yet these "independent" movements got so popular. Seems to me that influence of the turkish nationalism part was neglected
The entire Ottoman section of the video is straight up wish fulfillment. Like Greece somehow manages to beat both Bulgaria and Ottomans meanwhile the ridiculous amount of land Armenians gained would've make them Turkish majority and last but not least is that Cilician Kingdom. That shit is pure comedy gold. IRL Christian in that region didn't even make up a quarter of the population there but yet they somehow establish a kingdom.
They were weak as fuck in otl and pretty unstable.
@@PainDude-vh6nk A victory in WW1 plus soon to discover vast oil deposits literally fix most of their problems
Tbf the Ottomans were not in a good position in WW1 and might have not survived
Interesting! Coming from a French Canadian background myself, if France gained influence in Québec against Great Britain, that would be interesting to see. Québec is always fighting against Canada anyway. I don't see Québec having that unity against Canada right now, because of eastern and western divisions in Québec. However, France could have influence like that in its former colony if tensions were still the same way as in the 1700's. I'm sure it would be short lived though.
Ayyu Happy New year Vid. hope you're doing well
Honestly, with the combined fleets of Britain AND Japan during World War II, assuming there was no fleet restrictions like in our timeline, I don't see the French faction's navy standing an iota of a chance outside of home ports. You didn't touch much on the Kriegsmarine, so maybe they're a force to be reckoned with, but I DO see Italy's fleet being a huge presence in the Mediterranean. Could even have them decide the outcome of the Spanish civil war, what with their home ports being so close by. The Suez would likely fall due to the proximity of both Italy AND French Jerusalem, so Britain might have trouble holding onto that, but anything outside of those inland seas would definitely be fully within the control of the British and Japanese navies. The smartest thing for Britain to do, is to let France fight a 2 front war, (Perhaps taking lessons from their foray into France during the syndicalist uprising?) against Germany and Italy in the East, and Britain in the North.
I think it really falls down to where the United States throws it's hat in. We've got a similar situation to WWI in that the Great Powers of this timeline easily balance each other, keeping a decisive victory far from hand. With the population and industrial output of a (Woken Giant) United States, I see it really pushing the scales in favor of whichever side they join.
It could be a tossup, but I believe the British and Japanese factions would win JUST on the control of the shipping lanes alone. If they aren't able to repel German air force attacks or stave off a, Sealion-esque invasion from the Germans or French, then they lose, but as we saw in our own timeline, that was immensely difficult to plan for the Germans WITHOUT a war against a revanchist France. (That might be pushing it, but well whatever).
It’s important to note that Germany actually nearly won the First World War, the French were very close to breaking and the British were experiencing large amounts of mutinies, America only provided the morale boost that the entente needed to carry onto the finish line, so Germany winning isn’t as complex as people make it seem
Another great video! Quite the timeline you've built in this one. And a three-sided ww2 is something I would love to see in another video! Keep up the good work.
Crazy how a Central Powers victory results in Greek Constantinople. Despite Greece being in the winners, both in this scenario and irl. We truly live in the clown scenario
This just feels like kaiserreich only the war didnt escalate that much
Potentional name
"The Triple Alliances"
PART 2 OF WHAT IF THE ROMAN EMPIRE NEVER FELL!!!!!!!!
Please make a video on "What if Austrio-Hungarian Empire won World War 1" and also make a part 2 of THIS video
Percreich
In case you didn't notice the title sounds a bit strange with What if THE Germany won WW1 instead of What if Germany won WW1 or What if the German Empire won WW1
Thanks missed that
0:01 ottoman didnt have all of saudi arabia
This chanell straight up doesn't know anything about the Ottomans. So don't expect anything.
They owned most of it, just not all of the southern part
The video is great! But as an editors note. During the section where you list the ethnicities of the Austro-Hungarian Empire you mixed up the order you listed Serbs and Croats compared to the order they were displayed on the map. (It's not like any major wars have happened in the area about this sort of thing /j.)
This is just nitpicking though. I really enjoyed the video!
yeah i noticed that after I uploaded it, my bad
2:04 PREUSSENS GLORIA DO BE INTENSIFYING BOIZ
Have you made a video of what if WW1 never happened? Maybe Arcduke Ferdinand was not assassinated, or Germany, Austria-Hungary, Serbia, and Russia negotiated successfully.
Kaiserfallen (Emperors Fall) would be my suggestion as this scenario seems to me at least indicate towards a general collapse of Empires with the complicated nature of this timelines ww2 and overstretching of nations and Empires leading up to it.
I think you'd need to give Dunkirk back to France, there's no way Britain would accept their ports that close to them. I think Germany might want to in order to curry favor with them.
I'm skeptical that America would simply remain isolationist and not try to pick up some island territories or ally with Japan against Russia.
Please do a part two; I'd like to know how this alternate WW2 ends and how the cold war would play out!
This should be called Schnitzelreich
Hmm the USA picking a side would decide the Victor in an a alternative world war 2 considering the USA is not part of the three alliences. I imagine the three alliences try to get the USA on their side
But the USA also still wanted the british empire out of Canada and wanted to annex Canada. Either of the anti british alliences could try and sway the USA to join and offer Canada while Quebec gets independence.
amazing vid bro
What if the Dyle-Breda plan worked could be cool and original
I would like a scenario we're Austro-Hungarian empire wins
Regarding the so-called Schlieffen Plan, I would recommend reading "recent" historical research based on new sources that became available in the early 2000s. Check out Terence Zuber's great work: The Real German War Plan 1904-14. Essentially there was no such thing as the Schlieffen Plan. On the contrary, Schlieffen's actual recommendation/plan was to do the exact opposite and use Germany's interior lines, meaning NOT to march into France.
A part 2 would be amazing, i hope the cp win
No, I want the imperial brotherhood because it would be extremely interesting and not a pretty standard Germany dominates Europe scenario.
Happy new year Videntis
Happy new year!
Idea: what if the German Empire and Austria Hungary united.
This is how I think it will go: it's 1908 Austria Hungary just annex Bosnia but this cause more tensions within the empire and still unable to make reforms cuz of the deadlock with the Magyars. Franz Joseph and other Austrian officials see the writing on the wall that the empire will collapse soon and so, they propose a unifications with the German Empire to save themselves and their crumbling empire. This empire will be called the "Central European Empire" or "Mitteleuropäisch Reich" for all the ethic groups in this crazy empire. This empire will be under a diarchy by the two royal houses of Hohenzollern and Habsburg with a constitution similar to either the Austro Hungarian Empire (constitutional monarchy) or the German Empire (semi constitutional monarchy). I would also think that this new empire will either oppressed all the minority ethic groups cuz there are more Germans now or give them autonomy and turn the empire into a federal state similar to the USA with each ethic group having their own state and say in their local government.
sorry i messed the map up at 18:43
Britain would never trade its corridor in Africa
The Austrian become a great power again
The resurgent Austria video would be awesome
I kinda wanna go with Reichnacht or Empire's Night since the old empires (apart from austria ig) seem to be on a gradual decline.
I am actually personally working on a timeline where Austria wins World War 1, so I'd love to see your take on it! I don't expect us to see similar outcomes in ours though, as you already said you'd make a victorious Austria a superpower, which I don't see as feasible in the timeline I am making, where the only goal is stabilizing the region for their own survival.
Germany won the First World War and you can't even imagine how
What if the Romans fended off the Goths and survived in the Italian peninsula?
0:15 he was talking that the peace was too easy on the Germans
I would love to see how u would portray a revitalized Austrian Empire
My new mod: Kaiser Videntis.
How is Quebec separatism and a war in Canada not going to invoke the Monroe doctrine? I would think, America would be involved.
Best what if Germany won WW1 scenario I have seen
please, I need the part 2 on ww2 badly. PLEASE
What if the HRE centralized like the other European kingdoms
In terms of a name for the scenario, I was thinking "Pax Germanica" or something similar (although this scenario doesn't seem all that peaceful so maybe not).
in the second world war
i see the arabs allying with the germans and taking french palestine, assyria and british egypt and iran to form the 5th Caliphate like a Hashimite Khalifat
i also see germany funding independance movements in india and africa
(also great video, you earnd a subscription from me)
I believe I recall people saying that WW1 was as much the death of Monarchy as much as it was death of German and Austrian Empires. It is interesting thus that this iteration of AH emphasizes on continuation of authoritarianism and power struggle of Europe. I wonder how the world would change as communism not waging an ideological war against the world in this timeline post WW2
This timeline’s America in both World Wars: 🍿
Great video, I hope that this video will get 5 000 likes.
In another topic,would you like to make "What if the Cristero's revolt prevailed"?
nice video, maybe make another with every faction's victory scenario
A great realistic alt history scenario. Except at 9:50, Georgia shouldnt be a German puppet and be given to the Ottomans. It's too far from the rest of the German Empire, will be highly vulnerable to rebellions from a hostile Russian-allied population, and wouldn't make sense from a resource perspective since oil still wasn't highly sought out due to tanks not being very popular yet (though the caucuses had alot of natural oil stored which Nazi Germany will aim for in it's war with the Soviet Union 25 years later from the Treaty of Versailles)
At least the Ottomans controlled some of Georgia before the Russians did, and there's also an minor Islamic Georgian population, so the close Ottomans have some claim of controlling Georgia unlike the far away Germans.
In this scenario, Austria would win big time, as everybody else has to fight two different opponents, losing men, ressources and stability, while Austria grows and grows economically and in terms of trade and negotiation positions. Maybe they could even become THE hegemonial power with Spain being tied to Austria, and Austria sooner or later gaining indirect power over the Balkans. Also nobody would dare attack a neutral Austria, as it would automatically generate a new powerful enemy.
And if the dice fall perfectly in position, Austria could still always take advantage of completely devastated countries towards the end of the war, setting the coupe de grace towards the losers.
Great Video. An interesting idea woud be what If the treaty of Versailles woud be more Like the treaty of Vienna. In which all Powers come together (even the soviets eventought its unrealistic) and try to create a new Balance of Power in europe. Oh and the Austria idea is great
This is rather interesting than realistic and i love it
happy new year videntis! hope you release vids more these next few months, i dont think i can go without for another 2 months…
I hope so too!
ryan approved
This should be made a part 2 of