Interesting thing to note, when he says “the future is up to you Cloud” rewatch the fight in Advent children, when Cloud asks Sephiroth “what about this world” Sephiroth replies with “That’s up to you Cloud”.
That gives me the feeling that this Sephiroth is the one from Advent Children. The version that has seen everything up to this point, and wants to change it.
Uh, this actually changes quite a bit. The original JP makes it sound like Sephiroth is genuinely asking Cloud for help...to save the world? Or to save both him and Cloud? Like, he sounds a lot more genuine in the original. The English translation makes it sound like Sephiroth just wants to continue being immortal and want to manipulate Cloud into meeting that goal and leaves his parting words too vague to tell what he actually means. The JP is more clear.
@@zelohendricks51 This adds SO MUCH context to what's going on! We still don't know but WOW, hearing this, Sephiroth is definitely asking for Cloud's help, and it seems like this version of Sephiroth, has come to a realization (I feel he's the same version who told Cloud, "within my veins is the blood of Ancients... this Planet is my *Birthright"*) and now, he's trying to appeal to Cloud so they can both prevent the real enemy. My friend's and my theory is Sephiroth discovered his Cetra heritage, and now wants to protect what he deems is his "birthright" rather than Jenova's desire to destroy it. BUT needs Cloud's help to overcome Jenova, and now I feel the REASON Sephiroth could never hear the Planet, was BECAUSE of Jenova. I agree that the English also sounds like he's asking for help, but from the slight change of words, his intent can seem more ambiguous than the Japanese version. I NEED to share this clip within other circles!
@@TeamGXOne You should. It's definitely very intriguing to say the least. Call me overbearing but I think part of Jenova is dead already. Reason I say that is the the arbiter of fate had that same pink hue she does and only had one lit up eye same as her. I think she has had a hand in alot of this and with us killing said arbiter it released him from her control. Again I could be way off but that how I saw it
Interesting how in the English version he tells Cloud that seven seconds is "time enough for YOU." While in the Japanese version he says "WE can still make it in time." That gives the impression that whatever is coming might be Sephiroth's enemy as much as it is ours.
Ever heard about Minerva? :) I think she will be the ultimate boss of this Remake. In case you are curious check Sleepezi channel and all his amazing work on the lore. It is quite impressive to see no one talks about her!
What kind of strange assumptions do you have, lol? Their common enemy , destiny . He says, let's defy destiny together . For Cloud, destiny is the enemy, because Aerith must die , for Sefhiroth, because in the end he is defeated
Yeah, this Sephiroth didn´t give me any "Evil Vibes" like in other occasions, it seems like they´re going to give him this "Heroic Sociopath" characteristic, like the one Revolver Ocelot had in MGS4, faking having Liquid´s personality. I mean, perhaps his methods are disturbing but his goals are for the Good..... Damn I´m so anxious to play the second part of this "REMAKE"
In the French dub, Sephiroth actually asked Cloud that he needed his help and convince to follow him for fighting together against the yoke of destiny and then Cloud says that it's out of the question.
In Japanese, there are many first person pronouns. Sephiroth uses two different first person pronouns in the original FF7, one is "Ore" and the other is "Watashi". Ore is more casual and Watashi is more formal. He changed his first person pronoun from Ore to Watashi after Nibleheim incident. So his first person pronouns was always Ore before Nibleheim incident and this was the only scene he used "Ore" in FF7R. He was using "Watashi" as his first person pronoun in the entire FF7R except for this scene.
That's because in some sense he is. In Case of Lifestream the short novel, Sephiroth sacrifices everything he once was to summon Meteor. His memories of friends, childhood, etc. He changes to a "godlike" way of saying "I" in the original, and in advent children onward he refers to himself as "Watashi." In Crisis Core however, he uses a different way to say I, a less formal one. In remake, after jumping everyone several months into the future to Meteor, he consumes the Meteor, regaining the memories that technically Sephiroth wouldn't have sacrificed yet...if he was the original Sephiroth. But he isn't. The clone controlled by the original Sephiroth #49 dies in the Shinra building. When it tried at first to attack and kill Cloud it failed..unable to touch Cloud because a different more powerful Sephiroth is in Cloud's head. That one goes into clone #2. Here, you're facing #2, inhabited by the Sephiroth in Cloud's head, plus Jenova's body to make it more complete, and he consumes Meteor back, reclaiming all he surrendered at the halfway point of the original game. Unlike the original Sephiroth, this #2 Sephiroth, this second Sephiroth (which is the first one you encounter in remake)... must say your name, Cloud. He's obsessed with Cloud, for Cloud is the very center of his being...and the only reason he can still exist after death. "So long as Cloud can remember me, no matter how far gone I may be, I will return." As such he taunts Cloud, cultivates Cloud, builds him up and keeps the memory of Sephiroth burning bright to build his own power until he can make his move. Once the original Sephiroth kills Barret and tries to kill the party and is defeated as Jenova, this second Sephiroth comes in and reaps the reward Kadaj-and-Jenova's-head style. With the Meteor, he's now complete. #2 is a retcon number done on purpose if you think about it, the original "This guy are sick" clone in Sector 5 was #12. During the arbiter battle if you look inside its heart, there's Sephiroth, trapped.. You freed him, killed the whispers, and allowed him the freedom to jump through time itself with a body. With Meteor consumed, he is complete. He is the Crisis Core Sephiroth, the Advent Children Sephiroth...he even makes some Dissidia quotes in there if you listen closely to the battle comments. Meanwhile the original Sephiroth... won't know your name until he asks you in the cargo ship. He will then deny that you're even a real person for the entire first disc. He won't accept that the teenager that killed him is still alive; you're a clone, a copy, a doll, a puppet, you stole your image from Tifa's memories, you stole your identity, you're just another pale imitation of Sephiroth; you're nobody, "Don't deny me" says the original Sephiroth, one of only two sentences he'll afford you (Cloud) because you...are...worthless in his eyes. Just a nobody. Not even given a number.
Ever heard about Minerva? :) I think she will be the ultimate boss of this Remake. In case you are curious check Sleepezi channel and all his amazing work on the lore. It is quite impressive to see no one talks about her!
@Alvin H Looking close at the dialogue in the OG and Remake, and considering the actual location and state of Sephiroth & Jenova's head, then factoring in Jenova's true full ability; I think Sephiroth & Jenova are locked in a perpetual battle of willpower for control over the Sephiroth clones.
Yea the english voiced dialogue is oddly worded. Here though it makes more sense, especially if you adhere to the theory that this is a sephiroth who (at the very least) has the memories of the sephiroth that we saw in advent children. It took him 7 seconds (though technically it was slow mo game time...but i digress) to kill aerith, and in this version i think it's clear that sephiroth (i.e. square enix) are going to give cloud (us) a chance to save her - but at what cost?
It became clear enough for us to easily understood the context. Anyways what I think is the reason behind the inaccurate translation was for us to hear deep words and confuse as in such phenomenon. I wouldn't be bothered by this, but at least they have to be on point.
@@piccolomair It also takes about 7 seconds to perform omnislash after the charging-up part...and they're standing where it happened in the original game.
the sentence was more "...nor will I have you end" Which is a pretty nice way to turn the sentence. The accurate translation is good for conveying the original message but when you need to translate it and make it sound cool, the english version does a pretty good job. It's well turn and it still convey the overall message that sephiroth want cloud to survive (whatever is coming) The real difference is that, in the japanese version he tells cloud that he "wants" so that's more a "desire". While the english version convey more a determination "I will not have you end" as in he can't even imagine cloud disappear. So it just depend on what you like and how you like your yaoi fantasm.
I love seeing his twisted "love" for Cloud. He really feels a connection. But then again as long as Cloud exists so does he. The relationship dynamics in the remake are so amazing
The worst thing that could come of these remakes is that Sephiroth is still just insane, and just trying to do evil things. I really want to see a deeper side of Sephiroth after getting this exchange. Cloud gripping his head, having visions and seeing illusions, Sephiroth grabs his arm, he wants/needs him in the here and now. This Sephiroth genuinely looks like he's trying to ask Cloud for help, but when Cloud outright refuses him, it's almost like Sephiroth understands that 'right now, he wouldn't help me' Only to give him 'the rest is up to you' speech after disarming him. Cloud was vulnerable, he was bested, and Sephiroth let him go, not out of malice, pride, or confidence, but out of desire for Cloud to come to his own decision about events to come.
And taking into account the old persona of Sephiroth, i really don't think he would ask for any help of tell the problems he is facing. Going in a roundabout way is more his type.
I think he was pressuring him more than anything, and taking advantage of clouds ignorance for him to make a rash decision, since no explanation was provided by sephiroth. Sephiroth doesn't want to perish and maybe for a short time cloud could help him because maybe they share a common enemy, but things will go sour nonetheless after that.
My input 0:43 お前を消したくはない Sephiroth is using the transitive verb 消すmeaning he is saying the top suggestion “I don’t want to erase you” If he was saying the second option, it’s intransitive, 消える、it would be お前は消えてほしくない でもまだ間に合う It’s not clear if he’s saying THEY can make it in time or just if Cloud can. A better translation might have been “but there is still time”
As someone pointed out in another video, This Sephiroth used the pronoun "Ore" which is his pre-insanity pronoun for "I" or "me". While he'd always use "Watashi" after going insane. Could this Sephiroth be another and a different Sephiroth?
That, or it could be that he was humbled so greatly by something greater. Something world-ending? Something that even Genesis at the end of Dirge could not stop?
@@ScorchtheHawk Yeah I was thinking about that. If you played Xenogears thye mentioned about the world the cosmos is one through the Wave Existence, everything the wave touches cultivated life. So perhaps in FF7 they're trying to apply this theory, all life becomes one with lifestream, maybe all planets also have a cosmic Lifestream of sorts
Way back when Dirge of Cerberus’ secret ending was fresh, the running fan theory was that Genesis would lead a group of SOLDIER remnants in battle against a fully resurrected Jenova. Given Sephiroth’s original fascination with Jenova, it could stand to reason that after witnessing her in action, maybe even being defeated by her (since Genesis might possibly have resurrection powers), Sephiroth would think back to his defeat at the hands of AVALANCHE, and might be making sure Cloud is ready? Idk, it’s a stretch, but it might finally give closure to Dirge’s secret ending
You are right, there are 2 Sephiroth in the Remake =D One is the OG Sephiroth the other is the Pre Crazy Sephiroth. I cant wait for part 2 of FF7 Remake
For the people in the comments who still think "7 seconds" refers to saving Aerith, two things to consider: 1) the context of this conversation has the "7 seconds" refer to saving the planet or making a decision/action that will save the planet (or some greater outcome); and 2) the English version of the game's chapter 18 entry on the chapter select explicitly says it's about saving the world. Both these points make it unlikely Sephiroth is referring to saving Aerith.
But Aerith being dead is the reason why the planet was saved in the end of FFVII, as the party was late in defeating Sephiroth and Holy couldn't stop Meteor on its own.
The meaning is still there, but the delivery by the VA and the wording in japanese makes this scene truly amazing and deepens Sephiroth a lot Particularly "I don't WANT to disappear" and "I NEED your strength", these two show that Sephiroth truly knows more than us and more than he did in original FF7 He knows he's going to disappear, which is odd considering that he is directly linked to Cloud as shown in Advent Children "I will never be a memory" And funnily enough he seens to know that he is linked to Cloud in this way as he "needs" Cloud's strength
I'm still going on to the theory that the Remake in Final Fantasy 7 Remake is actually a subtitle. Meaning that this game is not simply just a remake, but it's a sequel. I theorize that both Sephiroth and Aerith somehow used the life stream to go back in time to try and change their destinies.
@@GANTZ100pts i think it's more of an alternate universe thing than a time travel thing, seeing as the three aspects of the arbiter of fate were Cloud, Tifa and Barrett and that they probably fought the party to keep the remake universe in line with original
@@Spike2276 late comment, but it was actually confirmed that the three arbiters were Loz, Yazoo and Kadaj from Advent Children. They used a sword, their fists and guns. Kadaj also summons bahamut at one point too. (P.S say hi to the Traveller for me ;)
@@notinsideyourwalls5636 i guess i never saw it that way, i just associate sword/fists/gun with Cloud/Tifa/Barrett more readily, and i guess i always see Bahamut as an ally seeing that he is the only summon that Cloud will mention in the original (when looking at the huge materia) This actually makes me question the purpose of the Arbiters a lot more than i did before and might completely invalidate my original theory As for the Traveler... well we haven't been on speaking terms for a few years now, something about the Cabal or something, but i'm fuzzy on the details
@@GANTZ100pts I did think the word "remake" in the title is more in-universe than just meta title, in that the characters literally remake/redo the event of FFVII and change it.
1. This is the ORE Sephiroth, the one from before he went insane. He is only present in this reality, at the Edge of Time. Probably because the evil omni Sephiroth that transcends timelines that Cloud is fighting in the Remake world would hunt him down and kill him if he ever went back into reality. He is asking Cloud for help in changing the future. He defeats Cloud easily, which no other Sephiroth can do. Maybe because he is still good, and Cloud is only good against the evil Sephiroth? Who knows. Very interesting. Looking forward to how this will be resolved in Part 3.
Even the French dub wrote those lines for coming closer to the Japanese dub so here it is: Sephiroth: "Be careful. The upcoming path does not exist yet. And our planet...will one day be part of all of this. But me, I want to subsist. And I won't let you disappear." Cloud: "Where are we ?" Sephiroth: "At the end of the world. I need your help, Cloud. Follow me. Let us fight together against the yoke of destiny." Cloud: "No way !" Sephiroth: "Rapid. More than seven seconds before the apocalypse. But there's still time. The future depends on you, Cloud."
If sephiroth is actually saying “I don’t want you to vanish” to cloud after saying “I don’t want to vanish” then it’s possible that this sephiroth is not sephiroth at all, but he is the living remnant of sephiroth within cloud via the S cells in cloud.
Or he is attempting to manipulate Cloud into immortality so that Sephiroth himself can continue being immortal. As long as Cloud lives, Sephiroth will always come back.
Really interesting to me that Sephiroth seems to know what's going to happen, and you'd think that would mean he wants Cloud out of his way. But he has every chance to make that happen and doesn't. Instead, he seems to want Cloud on his side. Really makes me wonder if there's a different endgame waiting this time around.
Another thing to notice is that he said "our planet", which means Sephiroth was trying to protect Gaia. After he went insane, he viewed Gaia as another trophy for Jenova and was seeking to go space travelling after destroying it. So it would imply this Sephiroth is probably sane and outside of Jenova's control
My leading theory is that this is pre-crazy Sephiroth, aside from the obvious use of Ore it's important to remember that Sephiroth was genuinely a hero that wanted to protect people. Assuming that AC Seph was able to send his memories to the past or whatever, do you think a sane Sephiroth would stand by and let this happen if he somehow saw the future? I have no idea if any of this could happen but I'm very excited and a 1:1 remake would never evoke this feeling.
Not pre-crazy, post AC but maybe he isn't crazy anymore. Maybe he knows the planet will die and he will die with it so he comes back and maybe he isn't as crazy as he was. An near eternity could have mellowed him out.
Nah it’s Post AC Sephiroth. If you noticed during the fight he was using moves that were post the original game, AC and even some from KH. Time Travel is definitely a possibility
I think it's a post AC Sephiroth with pre-neibelheim memories/sanity. In one of the novels, its said that he put his memories in meteor after being defeated by Cloud. Here, right before the final fight, Seph casts down meteor and then absorbs it (along with the lifestream's whispers), so he's gotten his memories back.
@@nonWhites_have_to_go_back ever crisis for mobile is explicitly remaking the compilation including og ff7. None of the remakes sequel stuff in it. It'll have Before Crisis in it too.
I think for 0:42, #1 is the most accurate. を is used to denote an object. 消す is also a transitive verb, the intransitive is 消える, so #2 would probably be お前が消えたくはない. There's also a slight emphasis on "vanish" that doesn't come over in English. I suspect Sephiroth is saying he wants to defeat and kill Cloud, but doesn't want his existence to disappear. 02:18 I'm not sure the subject is "we". He doesn't mention the subject in that sentence. Without knowing for sure (having seen how the whole remake will play out) I think I would go with "but there's still time".
great analysis. The "but" is definitly right in this situation because he leads/teases to a certain moment that has yet to pass and wants to warn cloud of it. So the "but there's still time" is indeed correct. It only concerns to Cloud
It's definitely Nr.2 though since Sephiroth keeps on living due to Cloud having memories of him. As long as Cloud remembers Sephiroth, Sephiroth will never truly die and can keep coming back. Sephiroth will only be capable of coming back as long as Cloud is alive. He doesn't want to kill Cloud, that's why he asks Cloud to join him.
Richard Hughes Yes, you are correct. This is the proper way to interpret the Japanese part. There are also parts in this video that use the wrong contextual meaning as well, but it does give people at least a window into how different cultures use different words to carry the same meaning. Honestly, it makes me happy that people are trying to learn more about Japanese speaking because of this game.
I don't suppose anyone cares any more, but I somehow found this video again, and thought I'd write down my interpretation of what's being said. It's not a word-for-word translation, but I think the reflection of the nuance is accurate. Sephiroth: Beware. What awaits is yet to take shape. Sephiroth: Our planet seems destined to be consumed by what lies ahead. I don't want that. I don't want to do that to you. Cloud: Where are we? Sephiroth: The periphery. Sephiroth: I need your help, Cloud. Let us defy destiny together. Cloud: Forget it! Sephiroth: Careless. Sephiroth: Seven seconds until the end... but there's still time. You hold the future, Cloud.
Thanks for adding in the correct translations. It bothered me the whole game that the subtitles weren't 100% accurate to the Japanese dialogue. I don't understand why they they don't use a different set of subtitles for the Japanese voices and keep the English subs for the English voices
@@simonredforce Actually, the Italian sub doesn't match with the English dub because it's a much more accurate translation to the Japanese one...so it's not worse than the English translation at all.
Then this wouldn`t be a Remake, as in my opinion a Remake should be true to the original, just with 2020 graphics, but the story should be exactly the same as the 1997 game, BUT on the other hand, this new "tale" is intriguing me a lot... and I loved it, can`t wait for the second part.
@@theboltthrower8661 I'm actually theorizing this remake is actually a sequel. And the title remake is actually just a subtitle. Meaning there is some time-travel Shenanigans going on.
Ever heard about Minerva? :) I think she will be the ultimate boss of this Remake. In case you are curious check Sleepezi channel and all his amazing work on the lore. It is quite impressive to see no one talks about her!
Watching Sephiroth, I sometimes I get the feeling that one day, he will even defy the game itself. Cutting himself out of it, slashing down all developers of the series for putting him through so much misery and throws a meteor on our world... This fictional man is getting under my skin.
I always felt that the sephiroth I'm the remake is essentially a "4th wall breaker" in a sense. It was impression that he is actually basically sephiroth from the previous game and is attempting to break the cycle. It looses that translation in the e glass titles but in the original Japanese format thats the impression he makes
Interestingly, Sephiroth referred to himself as Ore/俺 when he says "I dont want to disappear/俺は消えたくない(Ore ha kietakunai). Canonically speaking after Nibelheim Sephiroth goes from Ore to Watashi/私 and when we see him in earlier parts of the game he does so but only here does he use Ore. It really makes you think, is this really the same Sephiroth or some part of his consciousness reaching out to Cloud?
im hoping "the future is up to you, cloud" means they are creating a game where you actually have a choice to save someone and it will alter the story down the road. then you could play it again and try a different choice to watch the outcomes. it would be a lot, but it would be the best way to please just about everyone while adding replay value. in the new threat mod you can save a certain someone and there are some new scenes and conversations because of it, but overall the story doesn't change. i'm hoping they are thinking BIG.
I'm glad I find this video, because: 1) I thought that Sephiroth was referring to Cloud when he says "I won't let you disappear too". But it seems that he is referring to the planet, not to Cloud. 2) The seven seconds is totally different. It's clear that Sephiroth is saying "you still have time to join me.". In the english script it seems that Sephiroth is referring to Cloud that can stop everything.
The biggest difference I see is after the fight. “Easy” (implying he’s so much stronger) is much different than “not yet” (implying it’s not time yet, or he’s not strong enough - what sephiroth kept saying from the beginner, get stronger cloud.) slightly different. This could be just due to cultural differences in communication. And after... “but We can still make it in time, the future is up to you, cloud.” It’s is more like I still need your help, we can make it in time. Make a decision, you have time. Vs “but what will you do with it? Let’s see” more like hmmm I’ll wait and watch.
For me "not yet" implied that either it wasnt time for that to happen yet, or Cloud wasnt strong enough to defeath Sephiroth yet. But "Easy" could imply that Sephiroth has seen that move before (because it was used on him) and therefore could deflect it easily.
I was about to ask what you English people mean with 'easy', if 'slow down, stay calm' or actually 'easy peasy lemon squeezy fight'. But you answer my question. So as the other commenter asked, I'm asking the same. Is it correct 'not enough', intending sephiroth is testing cloud, but he's not strong enough for what is about to come yet?
@@valedragoon46 It could mean that, yes. But I believe this is end-game original Seph and he's comparing current Clouds strength with the one he remembers.
Now it makes sense as to why "Let us defy destiny together" means. But I'm really confused. The way Sephiroth talks here looks a lot like how he talks in crisis core with Zack. I dunno. But it feels like something is about to happen.
Crisis CORE is the (aehm) core of all this amazing plot. Ever heard about Minerva? :) I think she will be the ultimate boss of this Remake. In case you are curious check Sleepezi channel and all his amazing work on the lore. It is quite impressive to see no one talks about her!
@@KJames2345 it is true he was not 100% correct all the time, but his efforts in connecting the lore were absolutely interesting in my opinion. Anyway, after CC Reunion I believe even more we will see more of Minerva in future parts of Remake. Would you agree? :)
Keep in mind, the thing about literal translations is that they are out of context of the original cultural tones left by each language. It doesn't change the meaning, but a literal translation changes based on the person's understanding of the language and culture. There is more to the language than most people realize, especially when it comes to cultural differences, like how they use the words "I" and "you." Think of it this way; it's two ways to meet the same end as far as what is being accomplished by the words other than what is 'literally' said.
@@Luzbel789 This info is just for fun, but a case study showed English to be one of the hardest languages for Japanese speakers to learn, but incorporating a second language program has made it a little easier over the years. However, that said, the developers did a phenomenal job of translating. I can't blame anyone for using simple words that mean more by saying less. It's the craftsmanship of a truly professional English writer. The developers did a great job. That's one of my three areas of study, and it's fun to see this developer team use this professional practice in video games. The love they have put into this game is spectacular and truly rewarding!
Thank you so very much for this video! I know it must represent a tremendious work, but I wish someone would do this for the whole game. I'm sure there is so much more scene/meaning that were lost in the translation!
Sephiroth sounds so sad and desperate when he says “I don’t want you to vanish”. Might be just me, but he sounds so emotional at that part like he can’t fathom a world without Cloud.
This is clearly AC Septh, he speak like him and have the black wing. Also, AC ost "The promise land" was played when this Septh first appeared in Remake. As to why AC Septh decide to come back in time to change fate, it was due to Vincent's action in Dirge of Cerberus. As Chaos, Vincent destroy the planet's last resort to escape, Omega Weapon. With Omega dead, the planet's lifestream infected by Septh and Jenova is unable to join a bigger lifestream in the cosmo. This is hinted at 0:32 by Septh but he can't in the OG timeline. So Septh and Jenova are literally trapped in a planet sized prison till the death of Gaia. This is some crazy fanboy theory of mine: The white cosmos in 2:32 is where Septh wants to infect. The shape of the cosmos resembles "Alpha" Greek symbol. Just bear with me, Alpha in Greek is the first alphabet and for this instance means the beginning of creation. This is probably why Septh wants to infect it and take control, to have the power to create, to become a God. Omega is the last Greek alphabet and for this instance means the end of life where the lifestream rejoins the cosmos.
The green planet in the background suggest that it could be our solar system because that is the color of Uranus when look at with powerful telescopes. We know Gaia is the same as planet Earth from Supernova. I think that is the image of of destroyed Earth. "That which lies ahead does yet exists, but our world will become a part of it one day" I took this as to mean our present will become this future. I definitely agree with your first assessment that Sephiroth is trapped and has no way to leave Gaia and needs Cloud. I also went back to watch Aerith's death and it takes exactly 7 seconds for Sephiroth in the OG to come down, stab her, and for her heartbeat to stop. I am wondering if he is giving Cloud a chance to save her because saving her would save the planet. I like the tie in with Dirge of Cerberus. Last week I noticed he says to Cloud in the alley way of Midgar "There is still so much to do" Which is what Genesis says to Weiss before he flies off with him. He also tells Cloud in that alley way the planet is dying and he doesn't mean from Mako. If the planet dies, he dies. I don't completely disagree with your theory though. It does make considering the English translation they went with is The Edge of Creation. Perhaps that really is another nebula Sephiroth wants to go to a build a "Shining new future" funny how after he says that in AC when Cloud asks, "What will happen to this world?" and Sephiroth replies, "That depends on you." He was definitely saying, it depends on if you win or lose, but maybe after AC Sephiroth realizes that Cloud shouldn't be underestimated and as the last being with any ties to Jenova and the most complete of his "clones" Cloud could be the secret to immortality and godhood. And there is no more Jenova. Sephiroth has always had freewill, but once he became one with Jenova he adopted her purpose but he has the control. He is like the Nephilim of Genesis chapter 6; in which, angels have a second fall from heaven after sleeping with women on Earth. These children were called Nephilim and had the power of angels but the freewill of humans, God floods the world to destroy them all. What had did the Lifestream do to the world at the the end of the OG to stop Sephiroth? It flooded out over it to stop meteor and boost holy. And if you think the bible is too far fetched to be involved her, Sephiroth is the word in Kabbalah (Judaic mysticism) for the sphere of the Tree of Life. Jenova is a combination of Jehovah (One Herbew name for their god) and nova, which we know is a very bright star. So Judaism being mixed into the lore is not anything out of the realm of possibilities.
@@ComicalHealing Seven is symbolical, It is the number of a complete cycle and a positive renewal. Sephiroth is Satan, the one winged angel, the fallen angel, the ouroboros, the serpent that cycle the world, Reptilian brain, Freezer. "If god as wrote the piece, Satan is the director of the theatre" Victor Hugo
Could it be...? Cloud is the BRIDGE between the living and the Lifestream? Something tells me that Sephiroth needs his help says a lot! The enemy they're going to face might be far more serious than all the FFVII compilation combine. Plus, I am hoping Square Enix can uncover more of Sephiroth's personal backstory. But, who knows?
Wow it makes a lot more sense now. I didn't understand why he would emphasize you only have 7 seconds left in the other translation. But here I can see that Cloud has 7 seconds to make a choice here to change the future.
Wouldn't it make sense for Sephiroth (if the theories about this being future Sephiroth are true) to say that about Aerith's death? If Cloud prevents it, she doesn't stop meteor.
@@evilphemt That would be so corny though. In the way that scene is dramatically edited it's seven seconds but Sephiroth contemplating 'it will take me seven seconds to fall from the ceiling' makes it seem comical. Besides, the ingame chapter select refers to chapter 18 as Sephiroth showing Cloud the seven seconds prior to the planet's demise.
@@OfficialJab i'm searching for the japanese text for a better translation, but here in italy that line in the resume of the chspter is "at the end of the world sephiroth shows to cloud the last seconds of the world". Only seconds, without a number. I think it's the cosmic powder sephiroth shows to cloud. The italian translation is generally better than the english (i made some comparison. The enlgish is often wrong and not accurate. The italian is generally good and close to the original)
@@evilphemt The Italian translation of the Chapter 14 dream scene with Aerith is even more romantic than the Japanese one. "Non possiamo innamorarci. Sarebbe inutile" that really makes it sound like Aerith is also falling in love with Cloud lol
I'm going on a whim here but I really think Cloud is going to die once he realizes that Sephiroth can only reanimate due to Cloud's memories of him. He is going to try to create a future where the threat (ie. Sephiroth) no longer exists. Idk tho...
Which scenes? Could you drop a link? I didn't pay much attention to the English translation. FFVII was my first JRPG when and I enjoyed the remake. I've been studying Japanese for 19 years and living in Japan for 13 of those. I'm happy to contribute to the community if there isn't an army of volunteers already.
@@richardhughes1658 Here is a link to one, just the resolution scene. It seems there is less confusion about it now (People were saying that the japanese dialogue was very different but now some are saying it's only the tone of the scene that's different) ua-cam.com/video/gO0AkQHhMFo/v-deo.html
@@jack_fr0st3 Thanks for sharing. I adore this scene - who wouldn't fall in love with a girl like Aerith? My own experience of the difficulties of expressing oneself in another language tells me that the translator nailed almost every moment in this scene. It's not word-for-word, but if Aerith was a native English speaker, I think 95% of that is exactly what she would say. There are one or two points that might be worth pointing out. 0:19 さって、どうでしょう。Aerith's English translation comes off slightly more challenging than the Japanese. "Well, that's the question" might be more on the mark, but I wouldn't change the original. 0:49 Cloud: Better than here? Aerith: Stop teasing me [that's teasing] (Aerith uses this phrase from time to time throughout the game to emphasize when something is challenging her slightly, maybe in an unthreatening way). 2:15 Cloud: Treasure every moment. Right? 2:33 Aerith: They all make me happy. (I think the English is much more what Aerith would say). 2:36 Aerith: I was able to enjoy our time together. But... just... don't fall in love with me. Okay? (Could also argue "Don't let yourself fall in love with me", but I'm trying to go word-for-word). 2:53 Aerith: Even if you do, it's all in your head. 3:05 Cloud: Isn't that a bit one-sided? (I said these exact words to a girl I was interested in years ago 🤣). 3:20 Aerith: It's all unfinished, but I'm happy. This word 悔しい (kuyashii) is very difficult to translate. It's said when you lose by a little bit or fail by a little bit and want to keep trying, but you have to live with the feeling of losing or leaving something unfinished. As I said, I would not use any of this in a translation, but I hope I've put this all into a bit more context. If I can be of help to anyone, I'll certainly try. Feel free to ask.
Nope. There's only 3. Apparently. The other 2 must be REALLY long if they're doing that. I mean. Disc 1 in the Original ended at a very sad scene. Ok fuck it. It ended when Aerith died. But here it ends after leaving Midgar. So I wonder what'll happen. I know and I hope that they delay her death though. Or decisions depending on what you do throughout the game.
With the new side of younger sephiroth we have seen in Ever Crisis, a few fans are wondering if this specific Sephiroth is actually a GOOD version of him.
Yeah it’s totally different in the first it’s more ominous and he’s like giving him a warning this is more like I need your help hopefully we can pull it off together. Shiet
can i also mention that sephiroth at the end refers to himself as "ore" whilst in the whole game prior he used "watashi" for those who dont know he used "ore" before nibelheim incident and "watashi" after in original game this sephiroth is not the same sephiroth we know of from original game
(Map Button Pressed, L2, Square. Select the last chapter) Ch. 18 Story Destiny's crossroads Description. (Main Scenario: The Turning Point) "In the world beyond, Sephiroth shows Cloud a vision of the planet seven seconds before its demise. Having strayed from the course destiny set for them, they strike out on a path toward an unknown future."
they didn't. In dev diaries video they explained that it was done automatically with a program. talk about a lifesaver, imagine re-animating the whole game just to match a dfiferent language, complete with facial expression per intonation, not just mouth movement.
@@Kiluwastrife But they did tho bro. The hell you talking about? Wanna see a difference? Look at the video comparing Japanese and English for when we meet Aerith. You can see that the Lips are changed and Eyebrows too.
@@MariusBoss11458 What they're saying is that they didn't _personally_ go to every single animation in the game and altering it to fit the dub language, they had an automated program do it on its own, saving them much more time and effort.
Alright. I’ve been sitting on this for a year and a half now. Here’s my take: in the end of Dirge of Cerberus, if you collect all the hidden reports, Genesis appears, collecting Weiss, saying it’s not time to sleep yet. While this originally was probably just an excuse for Gackt to cameo in the game, Genesis has become so much more since. Whatever it was that Genesis went off to fight, I feel like it was a LARGE SCALE threat. Like, more destructive than even the Omega WEAPON. My best guess is that in a last ditch effort, Genesis revived Sephiroth and sent him back to this time to prevent the death of Aerith, who may somehow be able to stop this threat. Now what might this threat be? That’s a tough question. But my best guess is that it’s the true form of Jenova, cells fully reformed, come to finish what she started, and even freeing Sephiroth from his old ways in the process. This is all wild speculation (but we gotta remember which writer we’re dealing with here)
@Luzbel Please translate the scene when Sephiroth claimed the Planet as his birthright. I'd like to know what is the most accurate translation for that one, for clues.
Shiversssss, I've rarely hearing the Japanese dub because the sub wrong anyways. But daammmn, they always have the best dialogue!!! (Except when it's too implicit only japanese can understand)
That last bit got WAY clearer. I take it we, the player aka Cloud, now control destiny, which is the point the whole game is trying to make. Also, can someone explain to me the dialogue between Cloud and Rufus where Cloud asks "Think you got my number?" I'm so confused XD
"Got my number" is a slang phrase meaning someone fully understands you or your motivations/actions. When Cloud asks Rufus this, he's basically saying "so you think you can beat me now?" or "so think you've got me pegged?"
@@wallabywayful Thanks! I haven't heard that phrase much before. I feel like I've heard it somewhere, reading your explanation. We don't speak English in my country, so I guess it's not used often in movies and stuff.
共, not 友. Means 'together with/all/both/etc'. That said (if you want something else to ponder), 「共に」is somewhat formal and more encompassing, and could (in this context) be interpreted as a genuine offer in favour of both parties (similar to proposing alliances between factions, etc.), unlike the informal「いっしょに」which would come off as more of an offer for personal gain of the participants. It's somewhat similar to comparing 'Let us defy destiny, together' (共に) to 'Together, we shall defy destiny' (いっしょに).
It's not necessary. The Spanish subtitles are directly translated from the Japanese, so they are accurate. English translation is wrong compared to Japanese/Spanish translation. I recommend you to check other languages and translate from there if you are curious about it.
It's kinda of a shame that they copy pasted the English Dub's Subtitles instead of making new ones. Wonder if they'll change that in Rebirth and Part 3.
So with rebirth Aerith is calling out Sephiroth for wanting an eternity of loneliness. What I think is happening that is Sephiroth is trying to prevent an event that will merge all consciousnesses into one singularity where individuality would be lost. Aerith is one the opposite end where she actively tries to achieve this. The end might have you choose which path you want to go down which for me is siding with Sephiroth.
You're thinking more on the lines of Evangelion's human instrumentality project but I don't think that's what Sephiroth wants. He wants the Reunion of all timelines, including the ones where he wins. I think he knows failure awaits him in the current timeline unless the arbiters of fate are destroyed. In Rebirth he's actively hunting Aerith in every timeline and using the whispers to deactivate her materia. Even after playing Rebirth I'm not sure what Sephiroth means by seven seconds till the end. 'That which lies ahead does not yet exist, our world will become a part of it one day' refers to the reunion of all timelines, which is being set up for part 3. I think it's already beginning at the end of Rebirth because Cloud is perceiving Aeriths survival in the current timeline while the party knows she's dead and act like it.
Interesting that the villain in the game is called Sephiroth which is the “good side” in the tree of life. And not Qliphot which is the “evil side” in the tree of death 🧐🤔. Other is his sword Masamune is good one and not Murasama which is the evil one. Instead the hero is Cloud, isn’t there that are all of data right now in the web 🤔(contacts, pictures, etc) just saying
Perhaps in the second or third part of this "Remake" (Which I believe it`s not, I mean it`s not really a Remake) Sephiroth is going to pull out a Heath Ledger`s Joker, you know, when The Joker puts Batman to choose whose life is he going to save between Rachel`s and Harvey Dent`s.... I know this is a weird comparison, but maybe the twist from this version of Final Fantasy VII, is that Sephiroth is not going to kill Aerith flat out like he did in the original game, but instead he is going to put Cloud in that predicament you mentioned in your comment: "You`ve got 7 seconds to choose who are you gonna save, your love one? Or the planet..." Something I personally wouldn`t like, is a totally happy ending, there should be a disturbing twist in order to make the story more interesting, and I don`t like the idea of a redeemed Sephiroth.
They are clearly setting up another "World of Final Fantasy". The next MMO. They are staring into another universe. Sephiroth understands what's coming. Sephiroth wants Cloud to understand that they have a chance to rule that world together, like Darth Vader and Luke could've ruled the Star Wars Universe together.
This why Japanese script and English script can have different contexts, which also change things in bigger picture, just like in the original Japanese, Aerith doesn’t call Zack her “boyfriend” it’s more vague
I'm glad they changed that in the Remake btw. In the original English Text she says "My first Boyfriend" but in the Remake she says "The first guy I ever loved" which works much better
My theory that 7 seconds means the time from when we see Sephiroth drop down in the city of the ancients to impaling Aerith with his sword is wrong. That shot lasts 9.3 seconds.
If you press the map button and go to the story section, you can select Ch. 18 Story Destiny's crossroads. The description says the following. "In the world beyond, Sephiroth shows Cloud a vision of the planet seven seconds before its demise. Having strayed from the course destiny set for them, they strike out on a path toward an unknown future." It's just what the in-game menu says.
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Interesting thing to note, when he says “the future is up to you Cloud” rewatch the fight in Advent children, when Cloud asks Sephiroth “what about this world” Sephiroth replies with “That’s up to you Cloud”.
Very close to the French dub since Sephiroth says "The future depends on you, Cloud".
That gives me the feeling that this Sephiroth is the one from Advent Children. The version that has seen everything up to this point, and wants to change it.
Uh, this actually changes quite a bit. The original JP makes it sound like Sephiroth is genuinely asking Cloud for help...to save the world? Or to save both him and Cloud? Like, he sounds a lot more genuine in the original. The English translation makes it sound like Sephiroth just wants to continue being immortal and want to manipulate Cloud into meeting that goal and leaves his parting words too vague to tell what he actually means. The JP is more clear.
I believe that was the intention though
Yeah
English sounds like he's asking for help as well imo
@@zelohendricks51 This adds SO MUCH context to what's going on!
We still don't know but WOW, hearing this, Sephiroth is definitely asking for Cloud's help, and it seems like this version of Sephiroth, has come to a realization (I feel he's the same version who told Cloud, "within my veins is the blood of Ancients... this Planet is my *Birthright"*) and now, he's trying to appeal to Cloud so they can both prevent the real enemy.
My friend's and my theory is Sephiroth discovered his Cetra heritage, and now wants to protect what he deems is his "birthright" rather than Jenova's desire to destroy it. BUT needs Cloud's help to overcome Jenova, and now I feel the REASON Sephiroth could never hear the Planet, was BECAUSE of Jenova.
I agree that the English also sounds like he's asking for help, but from the slight change of words, his intent can seem more ambiguous than the Japanese version. I NEED to share this clip within other circles!
@@TeamGXOne You should. It's definitely very intriguing to say the least. Call me overbearing but I think part of Jenova is dead already. Reason I say that is the the arbiter of fate had that same pink hue she does and only had one lit up eye same as her. I think she has had a hand in alot of this and with us killing said arbiter it released him from her control. Again I could be way off but that how I saw it
Interesting how in the English version he tells Cloud that seven seconds is "time enough for YOU." While in the Japanese version he says "WE can still make it in time." That gives the impression that whatever is coming might be Sephiroth's enemy as much as it is ours.
Ever heard about Minerva? :) I think she will be the ultimate boss of this Remake. In case you are curious check Sleepezi channel and all his amazing work on the lore. It is quite impressive to see no one talks about her!
True
There's no "we". There's no subject at all. It's more "there's still time".
Genesis will reappear ?
What kind of strange assumptions do you have, lol? Their common enemy , destiny . He says, let's defy destiny together . For Cloud, destiny is the enemy, because Aerith must die , for Sefhiroth, because in the end he is defeated
It's almost like the old, good Sephiroth is asking Cloud for help...
Yeah, this Sephiroth didn´t give me any "Evil Vibes" like in other occasions, it seems like they´re going to give him this "Heroic Sociopath" characteristic, like the one Revolver Ocelot had in MGS4, faking having Liquid´s personality. I mean, perhaps his methods are disturbing but his goals are for the Good..... Damn I´m so anxious to play the second part of this "REMAKE"
In the French dub, Sephiroth actually asked Cloud that he needed his help and convince to follow him for fighting together against the yoke of destiny and then Cloud says that it's out of the question.
In Japanese, there are many first person pronouns. Sephiroth uses two different first person pronouns in the original FF7, one is "Ore" and the other is "Watashi". Ore is more casual and Watashi is more formal. He changed his first person pronoun from Ore to Watashi after Nibleheim incident. So his first person pronouns was always Ore before Nibleheim incident and this was the only scene he used "Ore" in FF7R. He was using "Watashi" as his first person pronoun in the entire FF7R except for this scene.
That's because in some sense he is.
In Case of Lifestream the short novel, Sephiroth sacrifices everything he once was to summon Meteor. His memories of friends, childhood, etc. He changes to a "godlike" way of saying "I" in the original, and in advent children onward he refers to himself as "Watashi." In Crisis Core however, he uses a different way to say I, a less formal one. In remake, after jumping everyone several months into the future to Meteor, he consumes the Meteor, regaining the memories that technically Sephiroth wouldn't have sacrificed yet...if he was the original Sephiroth. But he isn't. The clone controlled by the original Sephiroth #49 dies in the Shinra building. When it tried at first to attack and kill Cloud it failed..unable to touch Cloud because a different more powerful Sephiroth is in Cloud's head. That one goes into clone #2. Here, you're facing #2, inhabited by the Sephiroth in Cloud's head, plus Jenova's body to make it more complete, and he consumes Meteor back, reclaiming all he surrendered at the halfway point of the original game.
Unlike the original Sephiroth, this #2 Sephiroth, this second Sephiroth (which is the first one you encounter in remake)... must say your name, Cloud. He's obsessed with Cloud, for Cloud is the very center of his being...and the only reason he can still exist after death. "So long as Cloud can remember me, no matter how far gone I may be, I will return." As such he taunts Cloud, cultivates Cloud, builds him up and keeps the memory of Sephiroth burning bright to build his own power until he can make his move. Once the original Sephiroth kills Barret and tries to kill the party and is defeated as Jenova, this second Sephiroth comes in and reaps the reward Kadaj-and-Jenova's-head style. With the Meteor, he's now complete.
#2 is a retcon number done on purpose if you think about it, the original "This guy are sick" clone in Sector 5 was #12.
During the arbiter battle if you look inside its heart, there's Sephiroth, trapped.. You freed him, killed the whispers, and allowed him the freedom to jump through time itself with a body. With Meteor consumed, he is complete. He is the Crisis Core Sephiroth, the Advent Children Sephiroth...he even makes some Dissidia quotes in there if you listen closely to the battle comments.
Meanwhile the original Sephiroth... won't know your name until he asks you in the cargo ship. He will then deny that you're even a real person for the entire first disc. He won't accept that the teenager that killed him is still alive; you're a clone, a copy, a doll, a puppet, you stole your image from Tifa's memories, you stole your identity, you're just another pale imitation of Sephiroth; you're nobody, "Don't deny me" says the original Sephiroth, one of only two sentences he'll afford you (Cloud) because you...are...worthless in his eyes. Just a nobody. Not even given a number.
@@Koniving This reply is quite poetic!
scares me a bit that there's something Sephiroth thinks he needs help with
Ever heard about Minerva? :) I think she will be the ultimate boss of this Remake. In case you are curious check Sleepezi channel and all his amazing work on the lore. It is quite impressive to see no one talks about her!
@@Nyla_emotes YES! OH MY GOD, YES! I'm thinking that one of Sephiroth's largest obstacles will be Genesis and Minerva.
@@Serinigalini totally agree with you! :)
Jenova.
@Alvin H
Looking close at the dialogue in the OG and Remake, and considering the actual location and state of Sephiroth & Jenova's head, then factoring in Jenova's true full ability; I think Sephiroth & Jenova are locked in a perpetual battle of willpower for control over the Sephiroth clones.
Those last couple lines by seph in this translation really changes things a bit
Yeah prior to that everything is the same but just in different words but those last 2 lines are totaly different.
Yea the english voiced dialogue is oddly worded. Here though it makes more sense, especially if you adhere to the theory that this is a sephiroth who (at the very least) has the memories of the sephiroth that we saw in advent children. It took him 7 seconds (though technically it was slow mo game time...but i digress) to kill aerith, and in this version i think it's clear that sephiroth (i.e. square enix) are going to give cloud (us) a chance to save her - but at what cost?
It became clear enough for us to easily understood the context. Anyways what I think is the reason behind the inaccurate translation was for us to hear deep words and confuse as in such phenomenon. I wouldn't be bothered by this, but at least they have to be on point.
@@piccolomair Paying for the DLC :(
@@piccolomair It also takes about 7 seconds to perform omnislash after the charging-up part...and they're standing where it happened in the original game.
"I will not have you end" actually does a remarkably good job of conveying both original meanings IMO.
I think so too, "I will not have you end" could either be read as "i will not end you" or "i wont let them end you"
the sentence was more "...nor will I have you end" Which is a pretty nice way to turn the sentence. The accurate translation is good for conveying the original message but when you need to translate it and make it sound cool, the english version does a pretty good job. It's well turn and it still convey the overall message that sephiroth want cloud to survive (whatever is coming) The real difference is that, in the japanese version he tells cloud that he "wants" so that's more a "desire". While the english version convey more a determination "I will not have you end" as in he can't even imagine cloud disappear. So it just depend on what you like and how you like your yaoi fantasm.
Shepiroth seems so human...
SHEPHARD!!
I love seeing his twisted "love" for Cloud. He really feels a connection. But then again as long as Cloud exists so does he. The relationship dynamics in the remake are so amazing
@@damnumonkeyballs Agreed
@@damnumonkeyballsso then who has to die for Sephiroth and Jenova to truly be destroyed...
The worst thing that could come of these remakes is that Sephiroth is still just insane, and just trying to do evil things. I really want to see a deeper side of Sephiroth after getting this exchange.
Cloud gripping his head, having visions and seeing illusions, Sephiroth grabs his arm, he wants/needs him in the here and now.
This Sephiroth genuinely looks like he's trying to ask Cloud for help, but when Cloud outright refuses him, it's almost like Sephiroth understands that 'right now, he wouldn't help me'
Only to give him 'the rest is up to you' speech after disarming him. Cloud was vulnerable, he was bested, and Sephiroth let him go, not out of malice, pride, or confidence, but out of desire for Cloud to come to his own decision about events to come.
And taking into account the old persona of Sephiroth, i really don't think he would ask for any help of tell the problems he is facing. Going in a roundabout way is more his type.
I didn't know boogiepop was a critic too...lol
Crisis core has good sephiroth
If you want a deeper side of Sephiroth, go play Crisis Core.
I think he was pressuring him more than anything, and taking advantage of clouds ignorance for him to make a rash decision, since no explanation was provided by sephiroth. Sephiroth doesn't want to perish and maybe for a short time cloud could help him because maybe they share a common enemy, but things will go sour nonetheless after that.
My input
0:43
お前を消したくはない
Sephiroth is using the transitive verb 消すmeaning he is saying the top suggestion “I don’t want to erase you”
If he was saying the second option, it’s intransitive, 消える、it would be お前は消えてほしくない
でもまだ間に合う
It’s not clear if he’s saying THEY can make it in time or just if Cloud can. A better translation might have been “but there is still time”
Sephiroth : I only have 20 seconds left. There's no time for idle chitchat.
Cloud : What
Sephiroth : What
It's Rohan vs Kira.
As someone pointed out in another video, This Sephiroth used the pronoun "Ore" which is his pre-insanity pronoun for "I" or "me". While he'd always use "Watashi" after going insane.
Could this Sephiroth be another and a different Sephiroth?
That, or it could be that he was humbled so greatly by something greater. Something world-ending? Something that even Genesis at the end of Dirge could not stop?
@@ScorchtheHawk Yeah I was thinking about that. If you played Xenogears thye mentioned about the world the cosmos is one through the Wave Existence, everything the wave touches cultivated life.
So perhaps in FF7 they're trying to apply this theory, all life becomes one with lifestream, maybe all planets also have a cosmic Lifestream of sorts
Way back when Dirge of Cerberus’ secret ending was fresh, the running fan theory was that Genesis would lead a group of SOLDIER remnants in battle against a fully resurrected Jenova. Given Sephiroth’s original fascination with Jenova, it could stand to reason that after witnessing her in action, maybe even being defeated by her (since Genesis might possibly have resurrection powers), Sephiroth would think back to his defeat at the hands of AVALANCHE, and might be making sure Cloud is ready?
Idk, it’s a stretch, but it might finally give closure to Dirge’s secret ending
You are right, there are 2 Sephiroth in the Remake =D
One is the OG Sephiroth the other is the Pre Crazy Sephiroth.
I cant wait for part 2 of FF7 Remake
@@Sunrisestarshine can you tell me when this "OG Sephiroth" appeared in the remake? I'm completely clueless lol
For the people in the comments who still think "7 seconds" refers to saving Aerith, two things to consider: 1) the context of this conversation has the "7 seconds" refer to saving the planet or making a decision/action that will save the planet (or some greater outcome); and 2) the English version of the game's chapter 18 entry on the chapter select explicitly says it's about saving the world. Both these points make it unlikely Sephiroth is referring to saving Aerith.
But Aerith being dead is the reason why the planet was saved in the end of FFVII, as the party was late in defeating Sephiroth and Holy couldn't stop Meteor on its own.
God one comment got me good "So was he counting while in the air?" 😂😂😂
The meaning is still there, but the delivery by the VA and the wording in japanese makes this scene truly amazing and deepens Sephiroth a lot
Particularly "I don't WANT to disappear" and "I NEED your strength", these two show that Sephiroth truly knows more than us and more than he did in original FF7
He knows he's going to disappear, which is odd considering that he is directly linked to Cloud as shown in Advent Children "I will never be a memory"
And funnily enough he seens to know that he is linked to Cloud in this way as he "needs" Cloud's strength
I'm still going on to the theory that the Remake in Final Fantasy 7 Remake is actually a subtitle. Meaning that this game is not simply just a remake, but it's a sequel.
I theorize that both Sephiroth and Aerith somehow used the life stream to go back in time to try and change their destinies.
@@GANTZ100pts i think it's more of an alternate universe thing than a time travel thing, seeing as the three aspects of the arbiter of fate were Cloud, Tifa and Barrett and that they probably fought the party to keep the remake universe in line with original
@@Spike2276 late comment, but it was actually confirmed that the three arbiters were Loz, Yazoo and Kadaj from Advent Children. They used a sword, their fists and guns. Kadaj also summons bahamut at one point too.
(P.S say hi to the Traveller for me ;)
@@notinsideyourwalls5636 i guess i never saw it that way, i just associate sword/fists/gun with Cloud/Tifa/Barrett more readily, and i guess i always see Bahamut as an ally seeing that he is the only summon that Cloud will mention in the original (when looking at the huge materia)
This actually makes me question the purpose of the Arbiters a lot more than i did before and might completely invalidate my original theory
As for the Traveler... well we haven't been on speaking terms for a few years now, something about the Cabal or something, but i'm fuzzy on the details
@@GANTZ100pts I did think the word "remake" in the title is more in-universe than just meta title, in that the characters literally remake/redo the event of FFVII and change it.
1. This is the ORE Sephiroth, the one from before he went insane. He is only present in this reality, at the Edge of Time. Probably because the evil omni Sephiroth that transcends timelines that Cloud is fighting in the Remake world would hunt him down and kill him if he ever went back into reality. He is asking Cloud for help in changing the future. He defeats Cloud easily, which no other Sephiroth can do. Maybe because he is still good, and Cloud is only good against the evil Sephiroth? Who knows. Very interesting. Looking forward to how this will be resolved in Part 3.
Even the French dub wrote those lines for coming closer to the Japanese dub so here it is:
Sephiroth: "Be careful. The upcoming path does not exist yet. And our planet...will one day be part of all of this. But me, I want to subsist. And I won't let you disappear."
Cloud: "Where are we ?"
Sephiroth: "At the end of the world. I need your help, Cloud. Follow me. Let us fight together against the yoke of destiny."
Cloud: "No way !"
Sephiroth: "Rapid. More than seven seconds before the apocalypse. But there's still time. The future depends on you, Cloud."
THERE’S A FRENCH DUB???
@@frillydress Yes and there's even a German dub aswell which both French and German dialogues are based on the original Japanese version.
If sephiroth is actually saying “I don’t want you to vanish” to cloud after saying “I don’t want to vanish” then it’s possible that this sephiroth is not sephiroth at all, but he is the living remnant of sephiroth within cloud via the S cells in cloud.
Or he is attempting to manipulate Cloud into immortality so that Sephiroth himself can continue being immortal. As long as Cloud lives, Sephiroth will always come back.
Woah
Really interesting to me that Sephiroth seems to know what's going to happen, and you'd think that would mean he wants Cloud out of his way. But he has every chance to make that happen and doesn't. Instead, he seems to want Cloud on his side. Really makes me wonder if there's a different endgame waiting this time around.
Toxic Sephiroth says "ez" after he defeated the poor Cloud
Another thing to notice is that he said "our planet", which means Sephiroth was trying to protect Gaia. After he went insane, he viewed Gaia as another trophy for Jenova and was seeking to go space travelling after destroying it. So it would imply this Sephiroth is probably sane and outside of Jenova's control
Or the insane Sephiroth wisened up and woke up either or
Yep, Sephiroth in JP sounds earnest to the point where it's almost a plea whereas in EN, he sounds like he's mocking or challenging Cloud.
My leading theory is that this is pre-crazy Sephiroth, aside from the obvious use of Ore it's important to remember that Sephiroth was genuinely a hero that wanted to protect people. Assuming that AC Seph was able to send his memories to the past or whatever, do you think a sane Sephiroth would stand by and let this happen if he somehow saw the future? I have no idea if any of this could happen but I'm very excited and a 1:1 remake would never evoke this feeling.
Not pre-crazy, post AC but maybe he isn't crazy anymore. Maybe he knows the planet will die and he will die with it so he comes back and maybe he isn't as crazy as he was. An near eternity could have mellowed him out.
Nah it’s Post AC Sephiroth. If you noticed during the fight he was using moves that were post the original game, AC and even some from KH. Time Travel is definitely a possibility
I think it's a post AC Sephiroth with pre-neibelheim memories/sanity. In one of the novels, its said that he put his memories in meteor after being defeated by Cloud. Here, right before the final fight, Seph casts down meteor and then absorbs it (along with the lifestream's whispers), so he's gotten his memories back.
kay, so when are we getting a remake then instead of a sequel?
@@nonWhites_have_to_go_back ever crisis for mobile is explicitly remaking the compilation including og ff7. None of the remakes sequel stuff in it. It'll have Before Crisis in it too.
I think for 0:42, #1 is the most accurate. を is used to denote an object. 消す is also a transitive verb, the intransitive is 消える, so #2 would probably be お前が消えたくはない. There's also a slight emphasis on "vanish" that doesn't come over in English. I suspect Sephiroth is saying he wants to defeat and kill Cloud, but doesn't want his existence to disappear.
02:18 I'm not sure the subject is "we". He doesn't mention the subject in that sentence. Without knowing for sure (having seen how the whole remake will play out) I think I would go with "but there's still time".
great analysis. The "but" is definitly right in this situation because he leads/teases to a certain moment that has yet to pass and wants to warn cloud of it. So the "but there's still time" is indeed correct. It only concerns to Cloud
It's definitely Nr.2 though since Sephiroth keeps on living due to Cloud having memories of him. As long as Cloud remembers Sephiroth, Sephiroth will never truly die and can keep coming back. Sephiroth will only be capable of coming back as long as Cloud is alive. He doesn't want to kill Cloud, that's why he asks Cloud to join him.
Richard Hughes Yes, you are correct. This is the proper way to interpret the Japanese part. There are also parts in this video that use the wrong contextual meaning as well, but it does give people at least a window into how different cultures use different words to carry the same meaning. Honestly, it makes me happy that people are trying to learn more about Japanese speaking because of this game.
I don't suppose anyone cares any more, but I somehow found this video again, and thought I'd write down my interpretation of what's being said. It's not a word-for-word translation, but I think the reflection of the nuance is accurate.
Sephiroth: Beware. What awaits is yet to take shape.
Sephiroth: Our planet seems destined to be consumed by what lies ahead. I don't want that. I don't want to do that to you.
Cloud: Where are we?
Sephiroth: The periphery.
Sephiroth: I need your help, Cloud. Let us defy destiny together.
Cloud: Forget it!
Sephiroth: Careless.
Sephiroth: Seven seconds until the end... but there's still time. You hold the future, Cloud.
Thanks for adding in the correct translations. It bothered me the whole game that the subtitles weren't 100% accurate to the Japanese dialogue. I don't understand why they they don't use a different set of subtitles for the Japanese voices and keep the English subs for the English voices
money lol
@@Athraxas The Italian version is even worse than the English one. The Italian sub doesn't even match with the english dub.
@@Athraxas The Portuguese ones are close for the most part.
So is the Chinese subtitles which I had to watch as my comprehension of Japanese language is still very much at infancy XD
@@simonredforce Actually, the Italian sub doesn't match with the English dub because it's a much more accurate translation to the Japanese one...so it's not worse than the English translation at all.
2:29 I swear that constellation represents Safer Sephiroth.
Google Search: Nasa Supernova Photos😀 That just might be the familiarity you are looking for.
@@Abishokaya lol, it's only a nebula, well we've seen Sephiroths end game at the edge of creation. Supernova the planet Cheers Square Enix.
From the way seph is talking it sounds like theirs another villain or force that threatening the world and seph wants to stop it.... I think lol
Then this wouldn`t be a Remake, as in my opinion a Remake should be true to the original, just with 2020 graphics, but the story should be exactly the same as the 1997 game, BUT on the other hand, this new "tale" is intriguing me a lot... and I loved it, can`t wait for the second part.
@@theboltthrower8661 I'm actually theorizing this remake is actually a sequel. And the title remake is actually just a subtitle. Meaning there is some time-travel Shenanigans going on.
Ever heard about Minerva? :) I think she will be the ultimate boss of this Remake. In case you are curious check Sleepezi channel and all his amazing work on the lore. It is quite impressive to see no one talks about her!
@@Nyla_emotes Weiss is going to appear in the new "Yuffie FFVII Remake" game, so perhaps you`re right.
@@GANTZ100pts That would be dope, man, throwing some Final Fantasy VIII time travel stuff.
Oh my gaaaaaawd I love the new direction they’re taking the story
Thanks for the accurate translation! Hoping there would be more better translations for some chapters as well.
Cloud is the audience,
Sephiroth is SQUARE ENIX saying: look, FF7 could become its own franchise, but I need your help/ money.
This whole sequence makes me wonder if this Sephiroth is trying to escape Jenova's influence.
Watching Sephiroth, I sometimes I get the feeling that one day, he will even defy the game itself. Cutting himself out of it, slashing down all developers of the series for putting him through so much misery and throws a meteor on our world...
This fictional man is getting under my skin.
I always felt that the sephiroth I'm the remake is essentially a "4th wall breaker" in a sense. It was impression that he is actually basically sephiroth from the previous game and is attempting to break the cycle. It looses that translation in the e glass titles but in the original Japanese format thats the impression he makes
Interestingly, Sephiroth referred to himself as Ore/俺 when he says "I dont want to disappear/俺は消えたくない(Ore ha kietakunai). Canonically speaking after Nibelheim Sephiroth goes from Ore to Watashi/私 and when we see him in earlier parts of the game he does so but only here does he use Ore. It really makes you think, is this really the same Sephiroth or some part of his consciousness reaching out to Cloud?
im hoping "the future is up to you, cloud" means they are creating a game where you actually have a choice to save someone and it will alter the story down the road. then you could play it again and try a different choice to watch the outcomes. it would be a lot, but it would be the best way to please just about everyone while adding replay value. in the new threat mod you can save a certain someone and there are some new scenes and conversations because of it, but overall the story doesn't change. i'm hoping they are thinking BIG.
I always thought there was some issue with the official translation, thanks for clearing some of that up!
I'm glad I find this video, because:
1) I thought that Sephiroth was referring to Cloud when he says "I won't let you disappear too". But it seems that he is referring to the planet, not to Cloud.
2) The seven seconds is totally different. It's clear that Sephiroth is saying "you still have time to join me.". In the english script it seems that Sephiroth is referring to Cloud that can stop everything.
Is it just me or does sephiroth enjoy crossing blades with cloud
The biggest difference I see is after the fight. “Easy” (implying he’s so much stronger) is much different than “not yet” (implying it’s not time yet, or he’s not strong enough - what sephiroth kept saying from the beginner, get stronger cloud.) slightly different. This could be just due to cultural differences in communication.
And after... “but We can still make it in time, the future is up to you, cloud.” It’s is more like I still need your help, we can make it in time. Make a decision, you have time.
Vs “but what will you do with it? Let’s see” more like hmmm I’ll wait and watch.
Yo hello there again my dude! :D
For me "not yet" implied that either it wasnt time for that to happen yet, or Cloud wasnt strong enough to defeath Sephiroth yet.
But "Easy" could imply that Sephiroth has seen that move before (because it was used on him) and therefore could deflect it easily.
By easy I think Seph meant "Take it easy now." something like that idk
Lol funny how the translation makes it harder to understand. It’s a literal translation.
nub0rn sounds right. Yeah... still making it different enough that makes me go it wasn’t translated well enough
Now it makes sense a bit. Just like what Sephiroth said in the Japanese Commercial.
Karui doesn’t mean Easy. More like “light weight”. As in Clouds strength isn’t enough. Or perhaps his resolve.
So, pretty much "Not enough."?
I was about to ask what you English people mean with 'easy', if 'slow down, stay calm' or actually 'easy peasy lemon squeezy fight'. But you answer my question. So as the other commenter asked, I'm asking the same. Is it correct 'not enough', intending sephiroth is testing cloud, but he's not strong enough for what is about to come yet?
@@valedragoon46 It could mean that, yes. But I believe this is end-game original Seph and he's comparing current Clouds strength with the one he remembers.
@@valedragoon46 Seph parried all 14 Omnislash attacks. That's clearly either low performance omnislash or Seph is on another level still.
I don't know why but he looks genuinely touched by getting rejected by Cloud as if he seriously wanted him to say yes
Now it makes sense as to why "Let us defy destiny together" means. But I'm really confused. The way Sephiroth talks here looks a lot like how he talks in crisis core with Zack. I dunno. But it feels like something is about to happen.
Crisis CORE is the (aehm) core of all this amazing plot. Ever heard about Minerva? :) I think she will be the ultimate boss of this Remake. In case you are curious check Sleepezi channel and all his amazing work on the lore. It is quite impressive to see no one talks about her!
@@Nyla_emotes He has inconsistencies in his lore related content, he ain't 100% accurate.
@@KJames2345 it is true he was not 100% correct all the time, but his efforts in connecting the lore were absolutely interesting in my opinion. Anyway, after CC Reunion I believe even more we will see more of Minerva in future parts of Remake. Would you agree? :)
Keep in mind, the thing about literal translations is that they are out of context of the original cultural tones left by each language. It doesn't change the meaning, but a literal translation changes based on the person's understanding of the language and culture. There is more to the language than most people realize, especially when it comes to cultural differences, like how they use the words "I" and "you." Think of it this way; it's two ways to meet the same end as far as what is being accomplished by the words other than what is 'literally' said.
What an amazing comment. Thank you buddy, I really didn't think about that.
Such a wonderful enlightment. Thank you, really
@@Luzbel789 This info is just for fun, but a case study showed English to be one of the hardest languages for Japanese speakers to learn, but incorporating a second language program has made it a little easier over the years. However, that said, the developers did a phenomenal job of translating. I can't blame anyone for using simple words that mean more by saying less. It's the craftsmanship of a truly professional English writer. The developers did a great job. That's one of my three areas of study, and it's fun to see this developer team use this professional practice in video games. The love they have put into this game is spectacular and truly rewarding!
Thank you so very much for this video!
I know it must represent a tremendious work, but I wish someone would do this for the whole game. I'm sure there is so much more scene/meaning that were lost in the translation!
*_INTERESTING._*
Seems like there's some bigger, badder calamity out there than even Sephiroth and Jenova.
Sephiroth sounds so sad and desperate when he says “I don’t want you to vanish”. Might be just me, but he sounds so emotional at that part like he can’t fathom a world without Cloud.
The official translation in the game that the English actors are saying. Is basically saying the same thing it's just more vague.
Some people can't understand something if it's vague.
This is clearly AC Septh, he speak like him and have the black wing. Also, AC ost "The promise land" was played when this Septh first appeared in Remake.
As to why AC Septh decide to come back in time to change fate, it was due to Vincent's action in Dirge of Cerberus. As Chaos, Vincent destroy the planet's last resort to escape, Omega Weapon. With Omega dead, the planet's lifestream infected by Septh and Jenova is unable to join a bigger lifestream in the cosmo. This is hinted at 0:32 by Septh but he can't in the OG timeline. So Septh and Jenova are literally trapped in a planet sized prison till the death of Gaia.
This is some crazy fanboy theory of mine: The white cosmos in 2:32 is where Septh wants to infect. The shape of the cosmos resembles "Alpha" Greek symbol. Just bear with me, Alpha in Greek is the first alphabet and for this instance means the beginning of creation. This is probably why Septh wants to infect it and take control, to have the power to create, to become a God. Omega is the last Greek alphabet and for this instance means the end of life where the lifestream rejoins the cosmos.
Bravo
The green planet in the background suggest that it could be our solar system because that is the color of Uranus when look at with powerful telescopes. We know Gaia is the same as planet Earth from Supernova. I think that is the image of of destroyed Earth. "That which lies ahead does yet exists, but our world will become a part of it one day" I took this as to mean our present will become this future. I definitely agree with your first assessment that Sephiroth is trapped and has no way to leave Gaia and needs Cloud. I also went back to watch Aerith's death and it takes exactly 7 seconds for Sephiroth in the OG to come down, stab her, and for her heartbeat to stop. I am wondering if he is giving Cloud a chance to save her because saving her would save the planet. I like the tie in with Dirge of Cerberus. Last week I noticed he says to Cloud in the alley way of Midgar "There is still so much to do" Which is what Genesis says to Weiss before he flies off with him. He also tells Cloud in that alley way the planet is dying and he doesn't mean from Mako. If the planet dies, he dies.
I don't completely disagree with your theory though. It does make considering the English translation they went with is The Edge of Creation. Perhaps that really is another nebula Sephiroth wants to go to a build a "Shining new future" funny how after he says that in AC when Cloud asks, "What will happen to this world?" and Sephiroth replies, "That depends on you." He was definitely saying, it depends on if you win or lose, but maybe after AC Sephiroth realizes that Cloud shouldn't be underestimated and as the last being with any ties to Jenova and the most complete of his "clones" Cloud could be the secret to immortality and godhood.
And there is no more Jenova. Sephiroth has always had freewill, but once he became one with Jenova he adopted her purpose but he has the control. He is like the Nephilim of Genesis chapter 6; in which, angels have a second fall from heaven after sleeping with women on Earth. These children were called Nephilim and had the power of angels but the freewill of humans, God floods the world to destroy them all. What had did the Lifestream do to the world at the the end of the OG to stop Sephiroth? It flooded out over it to stop meteor and boost holy. And if you think the bible is too far fetched to be involved her, Sephiroth is the word in Kabbalah (Judaic mysticism) for the sphere of the Tree of Life. Jenova is a combination of Jehovah (One Herbew name for their god) and nova, which we know is a very bright star. So Judaism being mixed into the lore is not anything out of the realm of possibilities.
@@ComicalHealing Seven is symbolical, It is the number of a complete cycle and a positive renewal.
Sephiroth is Satan, the one winged angel, the fallen angel, the ouroboros, the serpent that cycle the world, Reptilian brain, Freezer.
"If god as wrote the piece, Satan is the director of the theatre"
Victor Hugo
@@benjaminas9633 he's not Satan he is a Nephilim, another reason he would have 1 wing, he is analogously half angel.
@@ComicalHealing Judaism = Nephilim
Christianism = Satan
Different day, same shit.
this hole scene is 10/10
Absolutely it was amazing ,I am thinking this scene everyday ...
I'm all for this Sephiroth if it means hat he will spare Aerith's life.
Could it be...? Cloud is the BRIDGE between the living and the Lifestream? Something tells me that Sephiroth needs his help says a lot! The enemy they're going to face might be far more serious than all the FFVII compilation combine.
Plus, I am hoping Square Enix can uncover more of Sephiroth's personal backstory.
But, who knows?
All of a sudden the ending makes sense. Thank you!
I loooove this fight scene so much. Just needed to say that
1:15 "Da ga... kotowaru."
Rohan
@@reskataborat3853 cloud & rohan using same voice actor, also sephiroth is kira yoshikage lol
Rohan vs. Kira
In France we have chance, since many years, our translations are faithful to the original version.
Am I the only one that thinks at 2:28 the silhouette looks like Safer Sephiroth….?
Why they didin't translate it this way? it adds tiny details but they mean a lot...
This soundtrack was sooooooooo beautiful......
Wow it makes a lot more sense now. I didn't understand why he would emphasize you only have 7 seconds left in the other translation. But here I can see that Cloud has 7 seconds to make a choice here to change the future.
Thw bgm here is the bgm of the city of ancient in the original game.
Someone noted that 7 second is the timing of THAT scene in the city...
Wouldn't it make sense for Sephiroth (if the theories about this being future Sephiroth are true) to say that about Aerith's death? If Cloud prevents it, she doesn't stop meteor.
@@evilphemt That would be so corny though. In the way that scene is dramatically edited it's seven seconds but Sephiroth contemplating 'it will take me seven seconds to fall from the ceiling' makes it seem comical. Besides, the ingame chapter select refers to chapter 18 as Sephiroth showing Cloud the seven seconds prior to the planet's demise.
@@OfficialJab i'm searching for the japanese text for a better translation, but here in italy that line in the resume of the chspter is "at the end of the world sephiroth shows to cloud the last seconds of the world".
Only seconds, without a number. I think it's the cosmic powder sephiroth shows to cloud. The italian translation is generally better than the english (i made some comparison. The enlgish is often wrong and not accurate. The italian is generally good and close to the original)
@@evilphemt The Italian translation of the Chapter 14 dream scene with Aerith is even more romantic than the Japanese one. "Non possiamo innamorarci. Sarebbe inutile" that really makes it sound like Aerith is also falling in love with Cloud lol
I'm going on a whim here but I really think Cloud is going to die once he realizes that Sephiroth can only reanimate due to Cloud's memories of him. He is going to try to create a future where the threat (ie. Sephiroth) no longer exists. Idk tho...
Think you can show the chapter 14 scenes? There is some confusion regarding the translation around Aerith's conversation with Cloud.
God please do this. That particular scene is extremely important to the narrative which makes it crazy that its missable lol
YES! Do this
Which scenes? Could you drop a link? I didn't pay much attention to the English translation. FFVII was my first JRPG when and I enjoyed the remake. I've been studying Japanese for 19 years and living in Japan for 13 of those. I'm happy to contribute to the community if there isn't an army of volunteers already.
@@richardhughes1658 Here is a link to one, just the resolution scene. It seems there is less confusion about it now (People were saying that the japanese dialogue was very different but now some are saying it's only the tone of the scene that's different)
ua-cam.com/video/gO0AkQHhMFo/v-deo.html
@@jack_fr0st3 Thanks for sharing. I adore this scene - who wouldn't fall in love with a girl like Aerith?
My own experience of the difficulties of expressing oneself in another language tells me that the translator nailed almost every moment in this scene. It's not word-for-word, but if Aerith was a native English speaker, I think 95% of that is exactly what she would say. There are one or two points that might be worth pointing out.
0:19 さって、どうでしょう。Aerith's English translation comes off slightly more challenging than the Japanese. "Well, that's the question" might be more on the mark, but I wouldn't change the original.
0:49
Cloud: Better than here?
Aerith: Stop teasing me [that's teasing] (Aerith uses this phrase from time to time throughout the game to emphasize when something is challenging her slightly, maybe in an unthreatening way).
2:15
Cloud: Treasure every moment. Right?
2:33
Aerith: They all make me happy. (I think the English is much more what Aerith would say).
2:36
Aerith: I was able to enjoy our time together. But... just... don't fall in love with me. Okay? (Could also argue "Don't let yourself fall in love with me", but I'm trying to go word-for-word).
2:53
Aerith: Even if you do, it's all in your head.
3:05
Cloud: Isn't that a bit one-sided? (I said these exact words to a girl I was interested in years ago 🤣).
3:20
Aerith: It's all unfinished, but I'm happy.
This word 悔しい (kuyashii) is very difficult to translate. It's said when you lose by a little bit or fail by a little bit and want to keep trying, but you have to live with the feeling of losing or leaving something unfinished.
As I said, I would not use any of this in a translation, but I hope I've put this all into a bit more context.
If I can be of help to anyone, I'll certainly try. Feel free to ask.
Even though I don’t speak Japanese but watch a lot anime so it’s also bothers me that subs are wrong.
This makes a lot more sense
I hope that the subtitle would be better in part 2 and more faithful to the original script
"7sequals in the end" dandandaaaaa
if this sets the bar for whats to follow i eagerly await to buy all 7
Nope. There's only 3. Apparently. The other 2 must be REALLY long if they're doing that. I mean. Disc 1 in the Original ended at a very sad scene. Ok fuck it. It ended when Aerith died. But here it ends after leaving Midgar. So I wonder what'll happen. I know and I hope that they delay her death though. Or decisions depending on what you do throughout the game.
What's With Mistranslations Nowadays?! How Come They're Still A Thing Here?!
With the new side of younger sephiroth we have seen in Ever Crisis, a few fans are wondering if this specific Sephiroth is actually a GOOD version of him.
The Japanese version is always better in many translated games Sephiroth's goals are more interesting.
Yeah it’s totally different in the first it’s more ominous and he’s like giving him a warning this is more like I need your help hopefully we can pull it off together. Shiet
can i also mention that sephiroth at the end refers to himself as "ore"
whilst in the whole game prior he used "watashi"
for those who dont know he used "ore" before nibelheim incident
and "watashi" after in original game
this sephiroth is not the same sephiroth we know of from original game
I just remembered kishibe rohan I refuse
Wow the german translation is closer to the original than the english one
OH MY GOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH
It’s almost like he’s tempting cloud to save Aerith
the 7 secons I think is for sure to save Aerith, This line will not need to be that Important to just say about the Meteor.
(Map Button Pressed, L2, Square. Select the last chapter) Ch. 18 Story Destiny's crossroads
Description. (Main Scenario: The Turning Point)
"In the world beyond, Sephiroth shows Cloud a vision of the planet seven seconds before its demise. Having strayed from the course destiny set for them, they strike out on a path toward an unknown future."
What if we going to choose that 7 secs to save aerith oR save everyone from meteor..
2:12 And now this setting was used for a Nissan collab ad lol
Sephiroth doesn’t want Cloud to die from degrading.. looking at the latest trailer I put the two together
The fact that they reanimated the lip movements to match the language chosen is so bizarre.
they didn't. In dev diaries video they explained that it was done automatically with a program. talk about a lifesaver, imagine re-animating the whole game just to match a dfiferent language, complete with facial expression per intonation, not just mouth movement.
@@Kiluwastrife But they did tho bro. The hell you talking about? Wanna see a difference? Look at the video comparing Japanese and English for when we meet Aerith. You can see that the Lips are changed and Eyebrows too.
@@MariusBoss11458 What they're saying is that they didn't _personally_ go to every single animation in the game and altering it to fit the dub language, they had an automated program do it on its own, saving them much more time and effort.
It was AI, one of the first uses of AI in games IIRC
Thank you! I hope there would be something like this for the battle against the whsipers too. :/
Alright. I’ve been sitting on this for a year and a half now. Here’s my take: in the end of Dirge of Cerberus, if you collect all the hidden reports, Genesis appears, collecting Weiss, saying it’s not time to sleep yet. While this originally was probably just an excuse for Gackt to cameo in the game, Genesis has become so much more since. Whatever it was that Genesis went off to fight, I feel like it was a LARGE SCALE threat. Like, more destructive than even the Omega WEAPON. My best guess is that in a last ditch effort, Genesis revived Sephiroth and sent him back to this time to prevent the death of Aerith, who may somehow be able to stop this threat.
Now what might this threat be? That’s a tough question. But my best guess is that it’s the true form of Jenova, cells fully reformed, come to finish what she started, and even freeing Sephiroth from his old ways in the process.
This is all wild speculation (but we gotta remember which writer we’re dealing with here)
Sephiroth is speaking directly to the fans
Dope
@Luzbel Please translate the scene when Sephiroth claimed the Planet as his birthright. I'd like to know what is the most accurate translation for that one, for clues.
Shiversssss, I've rarely hearing the Japanese dub because the sub wrong anyways. But daammmn, they always have the best dialogue!!! (Except when it's too implicit only japanese can understand)
I surprisingly like that dialogue better then the english.
It's not better just different it's the same thing really
Of course it better , they translate like that try to make it fancy but ended up meaning go abit wrong way
@@kei7540 Tyler Hoechlin worshiper
That last bit got WAY clearer. I take it we, the player aka Cloud, now control destiny, which is the point the whole game is trying to make. Also, can someone explain to me the dialogue between Cloud and Rufus where Cloud asks "Think you got my number?" I'm so confused XD
"Got my number" is a slang phrase meaning someone fully understands you or your motivations/actions. When Cloud asks Rufus this, he's basically saying "so you think you can beat me now?" or "so think you've got me pegged?"
@@wallabywayful Thanks! I haven't heard that phrase much before. I feel like I've heard it somewhere, reading your explanation. We don't speak English in my country, so I guess it's not used often in movies and stuff.
@@madrazz8888 Cloud says that all the time (in English, at least) when you use the Assess materia on enemies. "I got your number!"
@@AICW Thanks :)
未来はお前次第だ. クラウド
0:54. 1:58.
0:29. 1:21.
at 1:03 he says "tomo" which in this context may mean "friend"
共, not 友. Means 'together with/all/both/etc'. That said (if you want something else to ponder), 「共に」is somewhat formal and more encompassing, and could (in this context) be interpreted as a genuine offer in favour of both parties (similar to proposing alliances between factions, etc.), unlike the informal「いっしょに」which would come off as more of an offer for personal gain of the participants. It's somewhat similar to comparing 'Let us defy destiny, together' (共に) to 'Together, we shall defy destiny' (いっしょに).
@@Aikku93 If only I knew how Japanese text works.
Will you be doing one of these for Rebirth's ending as well?
It's not necessary.
The Spanish subtitles are directly translated from the Japanese, so they are accurate.
English translation is wrong compared to Japanese/Spanish translation.
I recommend you to check other languages and translate from there if you are curious about it.
0.58 i think accurate translation would be like " your power is needed, cloud" .i am not sure though.
It's kinda of a shame that they copy pasted the English Dub's Subtitles instead of making new ones. Wonder if they'll change that in Rebirth and Part 3.
So with rebirth Aerith is calling out Sephiroth for wanting an eternity of loneliness. What I think is happening that is Sephiroth is trying to prevent an event that will merge all consciousnesses into one singularity where individuality would be lost. Aerith is one the opposite end where she actively tries to achieve this.
The end might have you choose which path you want to go down which for me is siding with Sephiroth.
You're thinking more on the lines of Evangelion's human instrumentality project but I don't think that's what Sephiroth wants. He wants the Reunion of all timelines, including the ones where he wins. I think he knows failure awaits him in the current timeline unless the arbiters of fate are destroyed. In Rebirth he's actively hunting Aerith in every timeline and using the whispers to deactivate her materia. Even after playing Rebirth I'm not sure what Sephiroth means by seven seconds till the end. 'That which lies ahead does not yet exist, our world will become a part of it one day' refers to the reunion of all timelines, which is being set up for part 3. I think it's already beginning at the end of Rebirth because Cloud is perceiving Aeriths survival in the current timeline while the party knows she's dead and act like it.
Why is there such a difference in translation , it's nonsense
It was the same for Zelda Breath of the Wild. American translators always feel compelled to rewrite texts in their own way.
Interesting that the villain in the game is called Sephiroth which is the “good side” in the tree of life. And not Qliphot which is the “evil side” in the tree of death 🧐🤔. Other is his sword Masamune is good one and not Murasama which is the evil one. Instead the hero is Cloud, isn’t there that are all of data right now in the web 🤔(contacts, pictures, etc) just saying
7 Seconds To Save Aerith Or Save Everyone Or Maybe... BOTH!
The Rest Is Up To You Cloud!
#FinalFantasy7NeedsAHappyEnding
Perhaps in the second or third part of this "Remake" (Which I believe it`s not, I mean it`s not really a Remake) Sephiroth is going to pull out a Heath Ledger`s Joker, you know, when The Joker puts Batman to choose whose life is he going to save between Rachel`s and Harvey Dent`s.... I know this is a weird comparison, but maybe the twist from this version of Final Fantasy VII, is that Sephiroth is not going to kill Aerith flat out like he did in the original game, but instead he is going to put Cloud in that predicament you mentioned in your comment:
"You`ve got 7 seconds to choose who are you gonna save, your love one? Or the planet..."
Something I personally wouldn`t like, is a totally happy ending, there should be a disturbing twist in order to make the story more interesting, and I don`t like the idea of a redeemed Sephiroth.
You can save Aerith in this timeline if you can change destiny. This is a different timeline.
They are clearly setting up another "World of Final Fantasy". The next MMO. They are staring into another universe. Sephiroth understands what's coming. Sephiroth wants Cloud to understand that they have a chance to rule that world together, like Darth Vader and Luke could've ruled the Star Wars Universe together.
This why Japanese script and English script can have different contexts, which also change things in bigger picture, just like in the original Japanese, Aerith doesn’t call Zack her “boyfriend” it’s more vague
I'm glad they changed that in the Remake btw. In the original English Text she says "My first Boyfriend" but in the Remake she says "The first guy I ever loved" which works much better
Your traduction is more accurate, it's mean the same thing like the french subtile, 👏
My theory that 7 seconds means the time from when we see Sephiroth drop down in the city of the ancients to impaling Aerith with his sword is wrong. That shot lasts 9.3 seconds.
If you press the map button and go to the story section, you can select Ch. 18 Story Destiny's crossroads.
The description says the following.
"In the world beyond, Sephiroth shows Cloud a vision of the planet seven seconds before its demise. Having strayed from the course destiny set for them, they strike out on a path toward an unknown future."
It's just what the in-game menu says.
THEY. FUCKIN!!!!