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The Perfect Primer!

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  • Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
  • I did it. I cracked the code and found the perfect primer formula! As it turns out, Mr. Surfacer 1500 cut with Mr. Color Leveling Thinner is all I needed and it doesn't hurt that it comes in white, black, and grey!
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  • @viper341
    @viper341 Рік тому +7

    I've done a lot of testing with this primer, and in my experience I've found a ratio of 1 part Suracer 1500 to 2 parts Mr color leveling thinner works best through my .5 Iwata. 1 to 1 was too thick and the finish wasnt nearly as smooth. Also I premixed it and put it in a 60ml squeeze bottle so it's all ready to just squirt in the airbrush.

  • @vincehatina6987
    @vincehatina6987 Місяць тому +1

    I’m an auto painter and I just started using an airbrush for models and I was shocked how thin you’ve gotta make the paint, primer whatever lol thanks for the video…

  • @tracywise4866
    @tracywise4866 3 роки тому +2

    I love watching all the shows supporting model making. I actually do mine EXACTLY like you do. It has always worked for me. I even mix my paints and primers the way you do with the pipette. Great job.

  • @FosterZygote
    @FosterZygote 4 роки тому +4

    I watched to see how you might do it differently compared to my method, but you're pretty much doing exactly what I do, right down to the Badger mixer. I stock up on Mr. Surfacer 1500, and especially Mr. Leveling Thinner, whenever Spray Gunner has them in stock. I really can't do without the levelling thinner. I mostly use it about 50/50 with Tamiya acrylics, and its the best thinner I've ever used.

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      Nice work! If you're ever able to get it, be sure to check out MCLT, it rocks! You can also get away with any number of other thinners as well, you mentioned Tamiya, which is chill too. Thanks for the comment, please keep in touch!

  • @thebigskip-e
    @thebigskip-e 3 роки тому +3

    I love using lacquer primer with acrylic paint. If i mess up on the paint job, I can use thinner to fix it without lifting the primer under it.

    • @joelgj1366
      @joelgj1366 3 роки тому +1

      Hi, what brand acrylic paint do you use? Do you use it with airbrush?

    • @thebigskip-e
      @thebigskip-e 3 роки тому +1

      @@joelgj1366 I use different kinds of acrylics depending on the colors I need. I prefer Tamiya first. I tend to use Mr. Aqueous Hobby second if it has a color Tamiya does not. And airbrush all the time, except with small details that are better by hand.

  • @BennyCFD
    @BennyCFD 7 місяців тому +1

    You can't use ratios......Because everybody is different. Some use a .2 or a .3 or a .5 needle. Some use as low as 14 psi up to maybe as high as 25 psi and all the combinations thereof.......You always have to do what works for your particular setup.

  • @bongkem2723
    @bongkem2723 3 роки тому +1

    1:1 ratio, that's what i'm looking for, thanks man !

  • @djurgens76
    @djurgens76 4 роки тому +7

    exactly the video I was looking for, thanks !!

  • @stevenbongiorno9277
    @stevenbongiorno9277 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for sharing. It’s a big help for me, cause I’ve been trying to switch over to airbrushing all my paints.

  • @warc8us
    @warc8us 3 роки тому +1

    I was really struggling with Tamiya Surface Primer thinned down with lacquer thinner through airbrush. Then I started reading rave reviews from people about Badger Stynylrez straight out of the bottle, but I had serious big time issues with it clogging up within 30 seconds or spraying, even out of my .7mm Badger 150. I have bought a bottle of Mr Surfacer and am watching this video to try and find an alternative! So far the only primer I've found that sprays out of the airbrush no problem is actually hard ware store brand Rustoleum Plastic Primer, but that stuff is difficult to clean out of an airbrush, it needs to be decanted out of the spray can and the fumes are pretty noxious. Plus, it was spraying SO easy I was starting to think maybe it's just an enamel paint, lol. Here's hoping Mr. Surfacer does the trick!

    • @warc8us
      @warc8us 3 роки тому

      Been five months and have to say, I am a convert. Mr. Surfacer 1500 thinned with either Tamiya's lacquer thinner or Mr. Color's leveling thinner is the way to go. Need to have ventilation and wear a mask but the stuff sprays so good, never clogs, and puts down a super resistant base for acrylic paints to go on. I've never had paint strip off w/ masking tape or get scratched off after using this primer. It's the real deal. I'll never use another primer again. I've gone through two bottles of the black, and have a bottle of black and a bottle of gray in my inventory now. The Stynylrez wastes away, I will probably toss the stuff into the trash and keep the bottle for storing something else. I had emailed Badger support about it, seeing if they would spring for a new bottle as I feel mine was defective (clogs up the biggest airbrush nozzles I have, even thinned! Stuff turns into gum) but after their first reply, they never followed up.

  • @esbenrasmussen4289
    @esbenrasmussen4289 3 роки тому +1

    You can even thin it beyond 1 part paint and 2 part thinner. I have painted with 1:3 - If it needs to go into small tight corners

  • @JBoulter11
    @JBoulter11 2 роки тому +2

    Really great video, thank you for a thorough explanation here. I have struggled hard with Vallejo primer and I’ve upgraded to this but needed to know how to properly mix it. Appreciate it!

  • @ja37d-34
    @ja37d-34 2 роки тому

    Yeah, recently got the black. it is fantastic..

  • @gabrielpalileo3294
    @gabrielpalileo3294 3 роки тому +1

    Lovely video! Helped me a bunch when I picked this stuff up myself :)

  • @jetpack5
    @jetpack5 Рік тому +2

    Dont turn your cap upside down. Keep it face up after you open the jar. Let it drip onto a paper towel. Paint will not enter the threads.

  • @freesicily
    @freesicily 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for the video

  • @The72challenger
    @The72challenger 10 місяців тому

    thanks...i appreciate the heads up! nj

  • @OG_Luciano
    @OG_Luciano 5 років тому +1

    Thank you for the pro tips, makes total sense with the mixer. Aloha! 🤙🏼

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  5 років тому +1

      I'm glad you dig it and thanks for the comment!

  • @jeffk19
    @jeffk19 3 роки тому

    Really likes your video, very informative. Now I know which direction to go when I order some supplies. I also liked the soap dish, what a great idea!

  • @hayj8741
    @hayj8741 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for this video! Great info

  • @V8_SSP
    @V8_SSP 5 років тому

    Get a clear 100ml pet plastic bottle with a nozzle, i just tip the surfacer into that, add the equal amount of thinner, and then put in a couple of 3mm stainless ball bearings. then once its closed up, a good shake of the bottle the ball bearings will mix it for you and hey presto!!. Makes life easier.

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  5 років тому

      Thanks for the comment! In the past, I've made premixes and have had bad results with shelf stability. A number of my premixes didn't even last three months! If I painted more I'd take your suggestion and run with it. Thanks again for the note!

  • @joshvellieux8693
    @joshvellieux8693 4 роки тому +5

    Scene your video, you need to demonstrate on a practice model so we can see how it lays down

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      I absolutely will! Surprisingly, this is one of my most popular videos and I’m happy to do a follow up, thanks!

  • @SuperTexasBlues
    @SuperTexasBlues 10 місяців тому

    store your paints and Mr Surfacer upside down... keeps air from getting in even if the jar threads are fouled

  • @Codename-SubZero
    @Codename-SubZero Рік тому

    Thank you for this video

  • @mobileandhostile7895
    @mobileandhostile7895 4 роки тому +5

    ⭐️ good presentation and sound information ⭐️ it cannot be stressed enough to WEAR A CARTRIDGE MASK !! and if possible also use an extraction unit !
    Like yourself I went on a long journey to arrive at the “perfect primer”...this product for me is by far the best....however...the paint and the fumes it gives off are 💀hazardous 💀 to both man and beast, plus any food laying about - SUPERB product but use accordingly and NOT in a confined space with poor or no ventilation

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      Mobile and Hostile thank you so much! In the near future I’m going to try Gias Moderate Thinner, supposedly it has a mild fragrance and does not smell nearly as bad. Stay tuned for a possible update to this video and thanks for the comment!

    • @mobileandhostile7895
      @mobileandhostile7895 4 роки тому

      @Macho Modelz : no disrespect intended but it doesn’t matter what it smells like if the contents are of a hazardous nature...and these paints and thinners ARE hazardous ! It never ceases to amaze me that these products exist with little or no hazard warning on them - I suspect because they are a niche product sold in low volume...the same paint in a half litre can would come laden with orange diamond hazard warnings including the one featuring a starburst over the chest symbol - indicating that even SHORT TERM EXPOSURE can cause serious long term health effects
      Tuolene and Xylene which are common ingredients in paint thinners are known intoxicant inhalers and the only reason there is no warning of them being carcinogens is because of insufficient research
      It is a great product, but it needs treating with great respect

  • @xRepoUKx
    @xRepoUKx 3 роки тому

    If you use the graduations on the side of the cup to measure, the cup should be flat on your surface. Don't hold it up, it will never be level. Mr Hobby stuff is awesome BTW!

  • @Auchaser643
    @Auchaser643 4 роки тому +5

    Vallejo is very hit or miss for me with primers the black comes out very well for me but grey and white behave terribly for me

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +2

      Same! Which is why I'm family with lacquers now. Look for an update to this video titled "the perfect paint" sometime soon!

  • @gordongriffith9047
    @gordongriffith9047 2 роки тому +1

    Can I use my surfacer gray with metallic color

  • @mikegonzalez3590
    @mikegonzalez3590 4 роки тому +1

    Very informative. Subscribed!!

  • @simonfreeman7277
    @simonfreeman7277 Рік тому

    thanks for saying dig it man :)

  • @statoilbensin2190
    @statoilbensin2190 3 роки тому

    I tried 1200 thinned with Tamiya lacquer thinner retarder type. Did not spray good as the vallejo polyurethan primer. I found out that the temprature was the reason why, do not spray it in a cold room it will become grindy.

  • @arsmithx
    @arsmithx 2 роки тому +3

    Great video, thanks! I arrived late at the party, but just a quick question: do you think it matters what brand of levelling thinner is used? I have a ton of Tamiya Lacquer thinner. Do you reckon I could use that instead of the Mr Color levelling thinner?

  • @richardsevers7686
    @richardsevers7686 Рік тому

    Good info thanks

  • @reconmodelsvaughn469
    @reconmodelsvaughn469 4 роки тому +2

    The best primer in the world is stynylrez out of the bottle i buy it in 32oz bottles from spraygunner.com but i build fulltime its my job i have use every primer on the planet the best products is stynylrez hands down i give it away to club people and friends i spray it at 25 to 30 psi its amazing i use mr.surfacer for texture and only

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому

      Thanks for the comment! I've heard a lot of good things about Stynylrez and I'll have to give it a look when I get to the bottom of this current batch of Mr. Surfacer I'm working with now. Thanks again!

    • @kindlessthing
      @kindlessthing 4 роки тому

      I'm very curious about this primer, but the website recommends spraying out of a .5mm+ nozzle, and all I have is a .35mm at the moment. Do you think it would clog the .35mm?

    • @reconmodelsvaughn469
      @reconmodelsvaughn469 4 роки тому +1

      @@kindlessthing I use a. 35 and it's fine put I jack up the air to 25 to 30psi around there I actually buy this stuff by the gallon or 32 oz bottles I am a fulltime model builder so I go Through a lot it's a very Forgiving primer it's the only primer I use I have tested alot .good luck

  • @MrFLORESBR
    @MrFLORESBR 2 місяці тому

    I tried what you showed, and the Mr Surface 1500 with their own leveling thinner MELTED the plastic cup! Did you have any of this issue as well?

  • @Steevels
    @Steevels 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the advice, what is the cleaning process for your airbrush after you've done this?

    • @statoilbensin2190
      @statoilbensin2190 3 роки тому +1

      For this you can use the mr tool cleaner (acetone and n butyl acatate) or the Tamiya airbrush cleaner same stuff as the mr tool cleaner. If you want to go cheaper you can use basic laqcuer thinner (cellulose thinners) it contains acetone and xylene. Do not use pure acetone 99% or isopropyl alcohol 99% as it will destroy youre airbrush.

  • @markdesantis6325
    @markdesantis6325 2 роки тому

    Have you ever used Mr Color in the Vallejo proposed

  • @mouscronize1006
    @mouscronize1006 4 роки тому +2

    Any particular reason why the ratio is 1:1 instead of 1:2?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +3

      Thanks for the comment! You could thin 2:1 however, it might require more coats for better coverage, and I’m lazy, REAL LAZY! I think the point of primer is to “fill” and thinning it more than 1:1 probably degrades it’s filling properties.

  • @cristianci00
    @cristianci00 3 роки тому +1

    Any idea why the styrene got wrinkled after spraying a few layers of 1200 Mr Surfacer and after 24 hours another thin layers of lacquer paint? I have painted a car kit model, the main body came out good but the hood got wrinkled really bad. After striping down the paint I noticed that the styrene got melted into wrinkles not only the paint

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  3 роки тому

      Oh wow, I'm sorry to hear that. How old was the kit that you painted? The only thing that comes to mind at the moment is that older kits can sometimes respond poorly to lacquer based paints and primers.

  • @davidpalmer4184
    @davidpalmer4184 3 роки тому

    Thank you my friend, greetings from hot as hell Australia.

  • @trexfishtec7375
    @trexfishtec7375 4 роки тому +2

    Hi Ive been tempted to give this a go. What do you use for clean up with lacquer based paint in your airbrush?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому

      Go for it! For both in between colors and final cleanup, 91% isopropyl alcohol works fantastic, doesn't cost much, and doesn't leave a lingering odor.

    • @trexfishtec7375
      @trexfishtec7375 4 роки тому

      Thanks

  • @clownfish7014
    @clownfish7014 Рік тому

    What size airbrush nuzzle do you use with this

  • @cyrus13383
    @cyrus13383 4 роки тому +2

    Great vid. I bought the Mr Primer Surfacer 1000, I'm unable to obtain Mr Hobby thinners. Do you think Tamiya Lacquer thinners will be ok?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much! That’s a great question, I would experiment with them on something like a spoon or a kit you don’t care about. Do not try it for the first time on a project you’re really trying to nail. Thanks again!

    • @cyrus13383
      @cyrus13383 4 роки тому

      @@machomodelz3954 Great tip, thanks!

    • @tydshiin5783
      @tydshiin5783 4 роки тому +1

      I've used a regular paint thinner and it works for me, but acetone also works on thinning the surfacer

  • @Herpinful
    @Herpinful 3 роки тому

    My grey mr hobby 1200 primer is coming out very light (almost barely there unless I pull back on the trigger a lot). Does that mean it's too thin?

  • @eyalcr500
    @eyalcr500 5 років тому +1

    hello! can i please ask if by any chance you've already tried the new AK Real Color lacquer paints ? what i'd like to know is can they be sprayed on acrylic (water soluble) primer - such as Vallejo, or even AK's acrylic primer ? or do you think the Real Color is going to attack the primer right away (i know the Mr. Color leveling thinner DOES ! RIGHT AWAY ! ) ?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  5 років тому

      eyalcr500 Hello! I have not sprayed the AK lacquer however, the should be perfectly fine over an acrylic primer base. Just be sure to give the acrylic primer at least 24 hours to cure. Thanks for the note!

    • @eyalcr500
      @eyalcr500 5 років тому

      @@machomodelz3954 yes Sir ! thanks for the advice ! i'll try a sample , guess that's the only way to know.

  • @ho-2036
    @ho-2036 4 роки тому +1

    What size nozzle and pressure are you spraying this mix with?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому

      Hi! I haven't found nozzle size to ever be an issue with thinned primers. As for pressure, I shoot for around 18psi. Thanks for the comment!

  • @ivandivan1881
    @ivandivan1881 4 роки тому +1

    Hi ,i would like to ask you about the thinner if i may ,if i am painting aircrafts or tank for example ,how much of the thinner am i supposed to add to the paint ,so that it works good and makes even film ,layer of paint ?Thank you :)

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      Start with a 1:1 ratio of thinner to paint. If the paint is still "thick," add more thinner to get the ratio "equivalent to milk." Test spray your mixture on a piece of paper or cardboard before spraying it on your model. Thanks for the question!

    • @ivandivan1881
      @ivandivan1881 4 роки тому

      @@machomodelz3954 ,Thank you :) i m going to try this ,i am novice in the airbrushes area ,how do you think ,i have one action airbrush ,is the dual action airbrush better than the single one airbrush ?i think this is all i didn,t know so far about the painting with airbrushes :)Thank you :)

  • @oliverrevilo7654
    @oliverrevilo7654 4 роки тому +1

    Hello, is it possible to mix Mr. Color and Aqueous Hobby Color (using Mr. Color Thinner)?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      Hi and yes, I think that's a safe bet. I've mixed MCLT with acrylics and had great results! IMO, most alcohol based thinners will work with water based paints. Just don't try to go the other way around: water based thinners will not work with solvent based paints.

    • @WarlockGolems
      @WarlockGolems 3 роки тому

      No, dont mix Aqueous with regular thinner, youcan use mr hobby solvent or just a regular water for aqueous

    • @jrgreiner
      @jrgreiner 3 роки тому

      Most definitely. I use Mr. Color Aqueous and thin with Mr. Color Leveling Thinner. Usually 50/50 but you can also do 60 (thinner)/40 (paint) as well. Sprays fantastic with a great finish.

  • @naveendran5655
    @naveendran5655 4 роки тому +1

    Hi there, after the mixing does the color gives the shining or it lokks like a matt color?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      Hi! The primer I use is a matte color. Thanks for the comment!

    • @naveendran5655
      @naveendran5655 4 роки тому

      @@machomodelz3954 tq for reply. Appreciate it alot. May I ask you, do you have any video's of how to mix paint for airbrush? I'm still a beginner, I'm interested to learn more. Tq again.

  • @clement193
    @clement193 5 років тому +1

    Can i use it with a brush to prime a model?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  5 років тому

      Clement Limuel I’m not sure, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Sorry, I’m strictly an “airbrush guy” and am not sure about brush priming. As an alternative, Mr Surfacer comes in an aerosol can if you’re not quite ready to invest in an airbrush. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment!

  • @2005GLI
    @2005GLI 5 років тому +1

    Where can you get the primer?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  5 років тому +1

      Spraygunner.com! Use my code “MACHO” for 10% off your order, thanks!

  • @lunkprab
    @lunkprab 4 роки тому +1

    This might be a stupid question, but I wanna make sure. Can I apply lacquer spray paint over that airbrush type mr finishing surfacer?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому

      Hey, not a stupid question at all! You're fine spraying lacquer paint over Mr. Finishing Surfacer because...it's lacquer based too!

  • @mikegonzalez9119
    @mikegonzalez9119 4 роки тому +1

    Can I use this primer with Vallejo paints?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      Absolutely, it should work great! I’d just be careful going the other way, putting a hot pain, like Mr. Color on a cool base, like an acrylic Vallejo. Testing it out first never hurts!

    • @mikegonzalez9119
      @mikegonzalez9119 4 роки тому

      Macho Modelz thanks buddy for your help

  • @InerciaVirtual
    @InerciaVirtual 4 роки тому +2

    Hi, great video. Question. Does it matter the 1:1 ratio if Mr. Surfacer is 500 or 1000 or 1200? Is it always 1:1 for all of them?

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому +1

      That's a great question. So for Mr. Surfacer 500, I would definitely not use it in this application. It's intended to be used as a gap filler and I would treat it as such. Similarly with 1000 and 1200, their viscosity is what you're paying for. If you didn't want to purchase another bottle of Mr. Surfacer then yea, you could probably get away with a 1:1 thinning ratio with 1200 but, always experiment! Thanks for the awesome question, great convo!

  • @gordongriffith9047
    @gordongriffith9047 3 роки тому +1

    What kind of thinner did you use I Got Mr thinner

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  3 роки тому

      Hello! I used Mr. Color Leveling Thinner, it's my go to for just about any paint. Thanks for the comment, please keep in touch!

    • @gordongriffith9047
      @gordongriffith9047 3 роки тому +1

      I have mr.color thinner 400 can I use it with Mr surfacer Black 1500

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  3 роки тому

      @@gordongriffith9047 absolutely! It's typically safe to "keep it in the family," and in this instance GSI products are usually compatible. Happy priming and painting!

  • @dorianformosa6439
    @dorianformosa6439 5 років тому

    Can you mix it with water ??

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  5 років тому

      Hi! Not with these primers, they’re lacquer based. Acrylic based primers can be thinned with water however, I’d recommend using brand specific thinners vs tap or bottled water.

    • @dorianformosa6439
      @dorianformosa6439 5 років тому

      @@machomodelz3954 thanks

  • @Y34HT045T
    @Y34HT045T 4 роки тому +1

    Just out of curiosity, what PSI do you use when spraying?

    • @kshatriya1414
      @kshatriya1414 4 роки тому +1

      taaffeite_art Not OP but i’ve heard a lot of people that spray primer with around 30 PSI

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому

      When I first started spraying I defaulted to higher pressures to move paint through my airbrush. Now that I'm a bit settled more, I spray lower and here's the reason why. The higher the PSI, the more likely the paint will dry mid air. Also, thinner paints are easier to clean and your paint has to be properly thinned to spray a lower pressures. Sorry, it's a bit more on the "why" category of building here vs. a straight "how" answer.

    • @machomodelz3954
      @machomodelz3954  4 роки тому

      Hey, sorry I took my time answering, please see my reply to OP, thanks!

  • @blacknass1943
    @blacknass1943 2 місяці тому

    wat a bad hit ^^