Does an Intake Really Make More Power? | Dyno Test
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Today we test and install a Racingline R600 Intake for MK8 GTI's and Golf R's!
We dynoed our car before and after to see the horsepower differences and do a quick DIY to show you how to install it!
R600 Secondary Air filter Adapter!
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VWR Intake System - MQB R600 Enclosed Airbox intake System USA - Cotton Filter
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R600 Secondary Air filter Adapter!
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VWR Intake System - MQB R600 Enclosed Airbox intake System USA - Cotton Filter
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VWR Intake System - MQB R600 Enclosed Airbox intake System USA - Foam Filter
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Racingline (VWR) Intake System / R600 / COTTON FILTER/ MQB EVO MK8
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Racingline Coolant Under Hose For EA888.4 2.0TSI MQB EVO R600
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how often does the air filter needs to replace than vw original ?
@@lostpencils most pod filters don't need replacement, just cleaned properly and oiled. Like a K&N replacement filter... if cared for properly youll never replace it.
Only Paul would make an air intake install entertaining to watch.
So dirty😂😂😂 great vid
IKR. It’s like Doug demuro meets the avgn in mechanic form. I am impressed.
@@smeagle3295 What a horrible thing to say, Doug ain't even close to this entertaining.
And Paul actually knows shit about cars.
Car goes pshhh pshhh 👍
The OEM+ look if these intakes is great, almost looks like a factory option. Also gotta say thanks to Mk7 Jeff for making all that testing available for free as I've really enjoyed reading through it all and thinking about what I want to do with my Alltrack.
OEM+ aka lots of plastic. =d
No data on whether the filter media works as well as the OEM filter however.
@@borderwave2 good point. That would be an interesting comparison.
Is this 8 running any type of piggyback tune? Most gains on an Intake and or exhaust are made with a tune. On a completely stock car? I doubt there would be much gain at all. I personally do not like the noises. I mean I did when I was 20 but not when I am 50. haha.
When you find a guy on UA-cam that nerds out as much as you. You watch him. 👍🏼
Cant say enough Paul, your videos are fun to watch and informative. You make it all look easy! Keep them coming!
Love the intake sound - much better than vanilla stock with the Soundaktor! Increased Hp and Torque nothing to sneer at either! Now do a soft tune comparison with the stock and aftermarket intake. That would be an interesting comparison as well. Cheers!
Hey guys, I might have missed some content in this gti, but how is making 291 hp and 342 torque? With just the inlet turbo racingline?
that's about what my GLI does with just a stage 1 ECU tune and everything else stock so I'd guess it's just that
Nothing better than an install video with Paul! As always you made it more entertaining and even show the struggles that we all run into when doing our own projects.
just picked up a mk8 gti about 3 weeks ago and your guys channel has been helping so much with everything mk8 !!! thank you guys seriously, makes my life soooo much easier
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned
from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the
Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025
on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas
station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station fuel
pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in
the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems,
turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and
New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be
done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of
crime here, called emissions and smoke crime...:-(//
Love the intake mods, especially with dyno proof!
Wow, I was not expecting such a big boost from just an intake. This looks like a great mod in terms of aesthetics, sound, and performance! Hope I can win one 😁
Installed mine yesterday on 2023 S3 8Y
Noticable difference in turbo spool and throttle response. Sound also way nicer and throatier.
Thanks for the vid. I am happy I came along this! Great work!
The funniest part about all this, that FB keyboard warriors say it doesn't make a difference
They were also running a piggyback tuner too. And 10 hp isn’t going to be felt.
Whenever I see a DAP video I immediately like! Thanks for putting these very informative videos together for us Paul! Really helps me work my mod decisions for my MK8.
I’m all for performance gains but I hate cotton filters because they let so much crap into your engine…..it’s making more power because it ain’t filtering like the paper one is….if you want your engine to last a long time stick with paper. Mercury invented paper to replace oiled filters a long time ago, they’re not new.
If you're not living in an arid desert environment I don't think you have any reason to worry about, especially if you also keep your air box and replace with a cotton copy of the OEM filter.
I do agree that removing the air box and putting one of these round filters always sounded like a bad idea but if you keep the airbox in place,you should have no issues ever.
After having my mk7 performance for a year in stock form, I’m ready to get a little extra out of it. I’m happy an intake gets you more than just better noises. 💪
A little extra? You can get alot more like +80hp over stock. Tune and downpipe is most of that
Yo let's go Racing Line! Hook a brother up for my Mk8 Golf R
Always thought performance from intakes was negligible, glad to know there are some gains!
Just like an exhaust,it depends on how restrictive it is to begin with.
@@MrTheHillfolk also depends highly on the design of the aftermarket intake. If it literally replaces your airbox with a cone filter under the hood sucking hot air, you're more likely to LOSE power.
@@elesjuan that's why you don't do that.
I found this to be true for naturally aspirated engines, but with turbo power, intake is definitely worth it!
@@DairyKing404 definitely, been thinking about getting one for my Audi A3. Eventually wanting to go stage 1
hi bro new gti mk8 use colorant g13?? o g12 evo ?
Give me the things please.
Really need one of these on my arteon.
Buy the OEM car with the power you desire. Out of warranty will financially wipe most people out. TD1 is not. Great badge when one wants dealer assistance.
They should offer a version with the secondary air inlet hole already drilled.
How often should you clean it? Looks like a pain to service it often. The additional intake hole might let water, snow and mud flow directly on to the filter, how big of an issue that is?
Great looking intake, definitely OEM+ rather than Autozone pod mod.
Honestly the answer really depends on the car... Or rather what engine the car is equipped with. Some cars will see No gains what so ever and only losses. Other will see large gains. An example would be the Honda "J series" Accord and Odyssey engines (as well as the NSX but thats obviously a given). They can free up as much as 10 Actual measurable HRRSPRRS buy changing the intake around. More if you do the rest of the supporting mods like the intake plenum. This has been documented on videos with dynos just like yours here.
?! where was the part of the video showing the tuning of the ecu for the intake? That must be done
Im on the market for a new intake. Glad I seen this video first because I was not convinced with ARP’s offering. This one looks great and gives it an almost stock look. Functionality appears to be great. Wonder if there is one for MK7.5(?)
What's stopping rain water from getting sucked in through those vents to the filter?
Manufacturers:
-Add sound baffling to reduce engine noise.
-Add speaker to fake the noise they eliminated.
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Surprised that much power
So basically; 460 euro for 10NM and 10Db. 🙄
Sick video definitely going to look into getting one for my mk8
Why did measure the “stock’ numbers without the stock intake box? Without the box, the intake pipe is sucking hot engine air, of course the gains they show will be higher… this ain’t no a/b test, bet the real gains are much smaller
Paul the GTI sounds better after the install of the Racingline R600. What kind of blowoff valve are you thinking about installing?
Facts: German engineer Wernher von Braun, who designed the the rockets that went to the Moon, hated the Imperial measurements and used only metric measurements.
The official definition of an inch is described in millimetres: "Standards for the exact length of an inch have varied in the past, but since the adoption of the international yard during the 1950s and 1960s the inch has been based on the metric system and defined as exactly 25.4 mm. " (Wikipedia)
Freedom units are an oxymoron, aka. self-contradiction. Measuring implies the act of reducing freedom in the measured object.
Don't say: " I use freedom units", when you mean to say: " I'm too damn lazy to acquire the correct tools for a vehicle made with the metric scale."
I appreciate that you put the results first, then the installation. Did you disconnect the speaker that supplies the fake noise?
What happen with the mk8 tail light video ?
We are making a harness Revision so we will launch a new video soon with the edit.
They work but remember more air is entering and more dirt particles will enter the engine. Make sure you adjust oil changes accordingly.
Racingline is where it's at!
Overpriced trash, honestly...much better intakes out there...but the video is SUPER like always, always giving me a good laugh Paul! Cheers!
Is the r600 racing line intake considered an open or closed intake? I'm assuming it's closed by the looks of it but are the games the same as an open intake?
intakes cause lean conditions which cause premature engine wear on a daily driver car. good for racing engines with full throttle and fuel usage to combine with the extra oxygen delivered by the intake.
Oh Paul...even the most simplest install you still manage to suffer and struggle... Even with opening a simple plastic packing from HD. Glorious to watch!! Laughed all morning. Thank you for this!!
😅😊😊😊😊😊 WZq q
Aftermarket intakes don’t add any hp on a turbocharged engine. They are falsely marketed to consumers .
A cold air intake in general will add some Horses when the opening is mounted low at the front grill. But most cheap intake filters mounted high on the engine will only suck in more hot air from the engine not adding any horses!
How much of the gain is the filter element itself though? Performance filters have lower pressure drop
There's no point buying an expensive kit if only one or two cheap parts make all the gains. There are 4 parts
-filter
- air box
-hose
-turbo inlet pipe
The modified air box (remove the snow grate), performance filter, hose and TIP flowed 383 @ 28 inches. The r600 flowed 399 with an 034 tip. That's FA difference. So you definitely don't need to spend $1500 on a carbon airbox. With regard to filters you have a choice. Filters with high airflow don't filter as much. Ask the filter manufacturer if they have done a ISO5011 test and can provide you the results. They will not. Try googling iso5011. There is a reason vw uses the filter type it uses.
Car tested with "Stock" Airbox - but did it have a High Flow Filter or OEM Filter?
Only 1 Run with the stock intake, but 2 with that aftermarket intake.
High Flow Filter will increase airflow 33%(+/-1%).
--A Flow Bench reports only a Number. All those tests are not indicative of generating power.
I enjoy Paul's comic antics when wrenching on cars and always enjoy Charles 👍
Filter 0 filtration. Good only for blowup engine)
I have a 98 inline 5 turbo Volvo.. snabb makes a turbo inlet but there are no decent intakes. I bought some 3" spectre tubing. As I have a 3.25" maf for my larger turbo I needed a 3.25 to 3" coupler. My inlet as well being 3" required a coupler in 90°. So anyway I used a 3" straight section and mounted my 3" inlet spectre filter directly behind where the stock airbox attached to the air dam in the grill. Used a 3" accordion style duct work and ran it through the grill. I have no shield and the filter is still getting some inside under the hood air I'm sure. But since I have water methanol injection pre throttle body. That air might be warm feeding into the turbo, it's below ambient going into the engine. Even with a stock intercooler my iat combined with 93 octane + vp racing octanium achieved maximum brake torque which usually requires e85. Have a dw fuel pump and 80lbs dw injectors. A billet hybrid turbo. And made 350whp and 415ft lbs of torque on an almost 30 year old stock internals engine. And modified stock ECU with internal 3 bar map sensor, and repurposed rear O2 preheater wires powering my vvt cam solenoid. Also running full lambda control eliminating the stock narrowband O2 wiring the aem x series analog into my stock harness. Pretty amazing stuff from my tuner. He modifies the ECU himself adding a voltage step up to enter flash mode, and created an xdf parameter file to work in tunerpro. Even 2 step launch control, and flat foot shifting with an added clutch switch, as well as dual maps I can switch on the fly by pressing the gas pedal on key on no start. One map for 93 and one for the 93 + vp. Also set a flashing engine light if the knock sensor detects more then 2 knocks in a 1 second period. It can read up to 46 parameters at 25 samples per second.
I don't think that ECU controled engine will straight away give diffrient result in HP, mostly due to MAF and correction values.... Btw. diffrient lenght / geometry may work in pressure side pipes. Filter may give a lot in tight engine bay w. big turbo. (boost 1.5 bar+). So i mostly consider that video as install DIY for medium-wise chimpanzee...
Lol @ "wallered" out. 😂 Exactly like they say in the south!! I would think the foam element might even flow slightly better. I know back in the day before there was a lot of choices for intakes like on the older CIS cars companies like Jamex and ITG made some of the best flowing media and they also were much easier to clean and oil than cotton/ gauze K&N style filters, plus the whole argument about the cotton/ gauze elements flowing well *at the expense of* letting too many particles past the media... Obviously this can be considered a negligible amount depending on how dusty your climate is and your cleaning/ oiling maintenance schedule. I usually prefer the foam elements whenever I have the choice for the above reasons, but again, this was many moons ago before better manufacturing processes and technology. AEM even introduced the Dry Flow filters which use neither foam or the cotton. They have more in common to the traditional OEM paper/ pleated media. Regardless on cars with a MAF that is close to the filter, you never want to over-oil and make sure that the element is totally dry when you reinstall it, or you risk ruining you MAF if the hot film/ wire gets contaminated with the filter oil or cleaning agent. You can hit the MAF with some CRC MAF or contact enhancement spray and sometimes save them if this happens. Another cheap and effective way to clean your MAF is rubbing alcohol. Put the sensor and some alcohol inside of a ziploc bag and shake the hell out of it. Pull it out and hit it with a blowgun CAREFULLY (low air pressure/ from a distance.) Just a cheap hack to mention if you're in a pinch. Paul is the man and he is always entertaining. Nice to see some actual data with dyno plots to back up the gains. Its cool how the ECU is actively 'learning' during the pulls/ drive cycles and you gained an additional 10 WTQ. Doesn't appear to be any losses through the entire RPM range which is a plus. Solid gains for a SIMPLE mod. Thanks for sharing👍👍🙂
Don't get excited over those numbers and think a ram air intake on a stock 1994 honda civic is going to make that kind of increase in power. Factory Turbocharged cars have more restrictions than N/A to keep the turbo from responding as quickly so they will have the most benefit from a ram air/cold air. Doesn't mean I won't put one on there myself, but I don't expect anything but noise and a slightly better looking engine bay from an N/A car. I also don't buy $300 intakes when I can get one on ebay for $50 that will do the same thing. Worried about heat soak? $20 gets you some exhaust wrap and you can wrap the intake pipe with whatever color you want.
Edit: Not dissing your intake, dude. It clearly works. This message is for the N/A drivers.
Looking at torque curve. It reach boost earlier. But honestly in real world make 0 difference in 0-60 time or racing because area under curve is minimal. Even though peak is 12hp higher 5k-5.5krp. but same everywhere else. Minor feel difference on partial throttle.
Notable quotes:
"Can't go in dry"
"Squeeze it and wiggle it"
"No air sucky, sucky"
"Sucks twice as hard as the next one"
"This hole is a little poopy"
"Snap your nipple off"
However, the show stealer was the use of an angle grinder to open plastic packaging.
Would the gains be greater if you compare a remap with stock intake vs a remap with the R600
Arrrrrrr 😩. In my 19th month waiting for my spec’d GTI Clubsport, still no build date 😢. Still love these vids pal, no jealous 😔 haha. Keep up the great vids man 👍
He guys this video has been really help full to determine wich system i would buy.
So I bought the R600 in the EU
And I also bought the cleaning and oil kit from raceline. For the cotton filter.
What I can't find tho is do you need to oil up the filter right out of the box? Or only after 5000miles and than service it ? I can't seem to find the answer online... So yeah thought maybe you know what to do 😮
Intake is awesome for turbo noise but use metal pipe not plastic :]
Goodluck guys
HOPE YA DOING GOOD FELLAS ALWAYS WATCH YOUR VIDEOS WHEN I HAVE DOUBTS OR NEED INFO ON INSTALLING PARTS I GOT A 2018 A3 S line premium plus Not Quattro DO I NEED TO DO A STAGE ON IT OR WILL IT WORK PROPERLY WITH STOCK ENGINE.
So you mean to tell me this car makes 50 more hp than advertised, except at the wheels? 🤤 Or is it remapped (edit: forgot the new ones have that pesky locked Bosch ECU... I can only assume this is a 2019/2020 and was in fact remapped?)
Apart from turbo inlet/elbow does a MK8 intake have same mounting points as MK7
The APR Evo intake is calling me but it’s for MK8 :((
Aw man! I had to sale my Golf Sportwagen because of financial reasons.
I still have 2 Passats,a VR6 4Motion wagon and a TDI....can I have a intake for one of them?
I was sold on the R600 when a stock Tiguan 162 improved from 6.5 to a 6.1 with just this intake.
Couple of pointers
1. No it won't sit flush against the front
2. The cotton filter has the racing line logo on its front so when you look through the grill the logo is clearly identified (badge bling)
I am curious as to why the secondary air is needed in the GTI and not the R though?
This intake would look good along side the RacingLine oil cooler I bought from DAP.....please sweet baby Jesus, pick me for the free intake.
When I was a dumb immature kid, I was all into modding my car and making it as loud (literally and figuratively) and obnoxious as possible.
But now as a fully formed adult with a more seasoned life outlook, I see all the time, money and trouble installing this intake requires and conclude that it really is not worth the ~10 extra horsepower that no one will feel or utilize on the road and will just make neighbors and everyone within the close vicinity despise you for your reckless driving and dumb eBay coffee can intake/exhaust car noises.
My current car is fully stock, is a sub 3.0 second car, and it doesn’t sound immature and won’t be embarrassing when I drive to business meetings or professional work events.
I would like to do an intake change to my MK5 2.5. Thinking the NEUSPEED 65.10.85 P-FLO AIR INTAKE KIT.
That thing has 2 catalyst convertors. Pull them out. EGR OFF. DPF off.
C'mon Americans...it's so long overdue to ditch the old English measuring system.
How would you improve the exhaust sound (while not doing a downpipe and opf delete)? thanks
Incredible OEM+ products that just work, with ease of installation and simplicity.
Round 7000 of me attempting to win something. LETS GET THIS L….I MEAN BREAD….I MEAN W!!??😅😂
Yet another video that most mk7 7.5 owners already knew the answer to ....
Say goodnight to your stock clutch at 350lbft though!!
Great video, thanks.
Small pipes too tight? Cup of hot water, put the end in for a few seconds enough just to soften, then reapply!
I sure would love to win one of these Racingline intakes so here is my comment as requested in the rules of this particular giveaway. If I won this intake I would show my wife that this is the will of ModGod and that I need to pay tribute by buying spacers and springs from DAP. Otherwise he will get angry and demonstrate his wrath in the form of a loose radiator and parking sensor lightshows.
I want my sportwagen to make more engine noise, it already sounds like angery bees
Hey, I have a 2014 passat, 1.8 T, 5 speed gas engine. I’d love some more power. What might you recommend ?
Thanks Paul, looks like the R600 is a pretty nice air box, glad I decided to go with it+turbo inlet
I'm not really a huge fan of modifying these cars, and the percentage of increase in HP and Torque from this filter is really negligible. That said, any install video with Paul or Charles is worth the time to watch.
Had the part installed in my Cupra. In addition to more intake noise, it subjectively brings even less torque in the lower speed range. Since the filter performance is also much worse than the original filter, it was thrown out again.
Let me get this straight, after paying several bills for this intake I still have to fabricate just to install instead of them properly having the intake constructed/designed from the beginning? I’ll pass.
is the sound difference seriously JUST from the intake mod? Woah, I'm super surprised by that result.
I am from Australia. I used to have a golf... Now I have a 2007 bf mkii Falcon XR6 ute. It has a straight 6 cylinder 4.0 litre turbo charged engine. Installed an intake and could feel the difference with it. Had it dyno tuned and went from 202kw at the wheels to 208kw at the wheels just with the intake. The actual dyno tune is now 306 kw at the wheels 870nm of torque. Only mods are the intake and a cat back 3 inch exhaust. My favourite thing about it is the induction noise from the intake.
Love the Barra!! I had two fg xr6ts myself. I eventually got sick of noisy diffs etc so I went down the second had bmw route instead. Stock drivelines can handle 800hp and engines can make 650 on stock internals. All the tuning can be done using your smartphone. If you ever get rid of the barra give one a go 👍
I've got a Corolla E12 and I live in Sweden so I guess my chans to win is about zero, but I do like your channel.👍
is it possible to fit this on a 1.5 tsi? if not, any way to make it fit by plumbing around a bit? space is not a problem as my engine bay has enough to fit a K24A engine in it.
Props for mentioning the scams. I got one of those scam messages, and was confused for a few minutes when I go the notif but couldn't find the reply. Then I figured it must have been a scam and was deleted.
Is the Fold bee tune to any stage? BTW...
Give me the intake~!! :"P
Come on Folks adding an aftermarket intake or exhaust is pointless without returning the cars computer air fuel and ram parameters. Basic Car know how 101
Let me win LOL. I bought the Wagner Tuning Intake and it didnt fit. Now i hope they give me my $1100 back
Does this system have a CARB approval for use in California? Does installing the inlet pipe and CAI void the warranty?
Is it possible that only american GTIs have secondary air on the filter housing? I was looking online and not all GTIs engine bays seem to have it
Does anyone else just not like mk8 golfs? I had a mk7 gti and mk7.5 R. I still turn my head to look at those cars when they drive by. Mk8s look sorta dumpy to me. Sad generation for the golf
I keep telling myself I don't need an R600 intake... I don't sound convincing though.
I want to ask: did they ended your warranty? I think your dealer follows you and can be a reason to end your vehicle warranty :(...which it is a sad thing because it is safe to have this warranty in first 2 or 3 years..
So quick question, how do you replace the filter with a service, oil change and filters get changed every year, so do I have to buy a new filter every time the car is serviced?
but.. but.. i thought you said to NEVER GO IN DRY!! please make up your mind