I really love how they make it very clear in every episode that checking forums and being apart of the car community is an essential part in understanding your car.
@@ReginaCæliLætare yes extremely true I like going to them to laugh and also sometimes you find diamonds in the rough or at least possible options or things to consider first before you jump to conclusions also if you know alot going to the forum to learn about something seems counter intuitive its like the teacher asking the class about the subject so the teacher can understand the subject
I like installing intakes on every vehicle, it’s nice to hear the air rush into throttle. It’s usually an immediate upgrade, but even better with a tune.
@Aerogrow turbo motors are picky and you really should tune it with an intake. NA engine require minimal, if any, changes because of an intake.. just like the changes you'll notice with an intake on a NA, minimal... if any 😅😂
It also helps your engine go knock knock! Put the stock one back on. It can handle up to 400hp just fine and if you're making that kind of power in a Subaru then you've already got the support for the intake. Subarus hate aftermarket intakes.
@@SavouryLobster Yup, that's the issue, people get the intake separately without a tune. With Subaru's you really just need to do your exhaust, intake, everything you want done on the same day, then pay for a single tune, otherwise there's potentially issues with them leaning out (I know the older 2.5's are lean enough with the crappy stock tune as it is); I don't miss the cost of owning a wrx, but it was a fun vehicle, just a money pit to do everything correctly, so much so, you're better off just buying the car you really want. I ended up going 370z, yeap, N/A boring, but it handles like a dream with just an upgraded front swaybar, and is only slightly slower than the wrx > 110mph ( I had a blouch 20g on the wrx). Don't miss the expensive clutch upgrades, tmic heat soak issues, crappy brakes, never ending coilover/alignment adjustments on the wrx (it's just never going to handle like you want it to, short of if you spend the extra $$ on the sti and get the better transmission and locking center diff). Overall it was some give/take, but I now have much better control over costs with the NIssan, even though Nissan is likely to go out of business right now they way it's being ran into the ground!! I think if the FRS/BRZ goes Turbo, that'll be one fun power to weight ratio setup from the factory along with obviously much better handling than both the Z and the wrx, so that's on the radar for the next fun to drive daily, but it'll just be intake/exhaust/stage II tune and that's that.
He does a great job of breaking down the performance and relevance of specific parts for viewers who might not be as “car savvy” to understand the functionality, much appreciated
It depends on your vehicle. Some OEM intakes are designed really really well, and people end up getting worse performance when they replace them. I had a tuned volkswagen passat, and i loved the aftermarket intake because it looked amazing and it was carbon fiber and all that, but it did absolutely nothing for performance because the stock airbox was essentially just as effective, even with the tune.
I could see my stock intake has a lot of restriction and with this new one that I’m getting it has none and more cold air especially in this cold weather season
@@luuch_ adventuri carbon fiber intake adds alot with a tune. Noticeably more low end without the tune but after tune large difference. Intake is about 1200 though
@@luuch_ well worth the money especially since u could already afford the GTI to begin with another 1200 isn't bad for the gains. Plus it looks amazing. Everyone always asks about it
I think the sound is the main reason that I like them. The sound alone makes you feel like you're going faster lol. So any difference that it made is enhanced by the noise I feel. Maybe I'm weird but I never leave any of those stock air snorkel things. I always got it and have straight piping right up to the throttle body
Yup. If you consider intakes to be sound mods then you’re in the right mind set. Porsche put the Cayman GT4RS intake right behind your head and every journalist raves about the sound
This is actually my favorite of the shows on Donut, and it's very informative and entertaining. Zach is also quickly becoming one of my favorite hosts, great job!
Right? I was hesitant at first but you can tell hes a genuine dude. Plus he skates so I automatically trust/like him more then that 4th wheel guy they added who just pretends to be James and has the face/smile of a serial killer.
I've seen this video about 15 times because this is an awesome series to watch. But every time I watch it, I am always caught off guard with the gunshot. That has to be the best edit I have ever seen! It's so funny and I never expect it which makes it even better!
Not gonna lie. When he said "listen to this" I was expecting them to sub in some 800hp car as a joke and then play us the real sound. That intake made way more of a difference than I had expected.
Worth noting that K&N filters are less restrictive and let more particles in. On a racecar that you take out on weekends, sure. But if you want to use your vehicle for as long as mechanically possible, a normal disposable paper air filter would be a safer choice in terms of reliability.
That really only becomes a problem if you live in dusty areas. It may also be worth noting that, because of this, reverting to stock may be worth it when roads are salted.
Previous owner of my Miata installed a similar intake. I absolutely hate it though because it prevents the hood from coming all the way down on that side of the car. I don't know why most people don't duct the intake into the Miata's "mouth" instead of keeping it in the warm engine bay.
Probably just added complexity not being worth it in the end. I can see how also a longer intake piping can mess with airflow and throttle response. Idk anything about Miatas but id imagine there are smaller sized cone filters available so you’d be able to close the hood properly?
@@poopsie117 there isn't an easy way to do it because of the shape of the radiator and front bracing/crash structure. It actually makes quite a difference in intake temps too, up to 40 Fahrenheit or more, so if it was easy a lot more kits would be sold for it. So everyone is out there running warm air intakes
@@GetOffMyLog to be fair, 99.999999% of CAI actually take away from the well engineered intakes that actually suck cold air from the factory and give you nice warm air that reduces your engines power.
there's a company making actual cold air intakes for the NA miatas now (I think it's napp performance) but the problem is they're more expensive than the Racing Beat one is (like $400 vs like $330) and it doesn't even come with a filter, only the pipes. IDK how much power they're making compared to other intakes, but honestly I'll save the extra $70+filter cost to just get a kit that is complete and hang on to the extra money in the turbo kit fund :)
On my 95 4runner I put on a cold air intake and it helped a lot! Made it sound better, and gave a bit of extra power. Plus it was easy to clean and put back rather than buying a new filter each time
Mighty car mods did a whole video on this. They had the cars on a dyno before and after the intake mods. They found that the majority of the time you are losing power, maybe staying the same. The only good thing about these intakes is the sound. That "plastic box" that was removed acts as a shield for the hot air inside the engine bay, while the plastic tube that was removed was bringing cold air from areas with cold air flow.
It all comes down to the design. A majority of them don't add much power because they're capitalizing on the mere concept, despite the fact that not every engine bay is going to have the space available for the perfect design. Ironically, the Mini Cooper has an aftermarket option that very well designed that adds 8HP
It all depends on how the intake restricts mass air flow. An OEM design restrictive to flow will do that, but so will a design that takes in the much less dense hot air. The temps under the hood can get pretty toasty travelling at city speeds, at highway speeds the temp is less of an issue. Specifically on a dyno most fan setups are ridiculously inadequate to simulate actual fresh airflow into the front bumper, so intakes prone to taking in hot air will appear worse than they actually are in real world driving conditions.
The only intakes worth getting are those that relocate the air filter/box to a location with less heat. Some cars net respectable gains with a CAI, and some don't. It's worth spending some time looking at groups and websites dedicated to your car or engine, before investing in a CAI. On most modern cars, the primary restriction is in the exhaust, not the intake.
Saw a very thorough analysis comparing air filters. It's true that more porous filters provide a small boost in performance, however, they also allow a corresponding increase in particles getting into the engine. So, the tradeoff is a 1/10 or 2/10ths in 0-60 time, but more engine wear. No free lunch.
My recommendation is to look up dyno results for your car comparing 3 things: Stock car, stock car with high flow filter, and car with a cold air intake. Especially on newer cars, the "stock car with high flow filter" and "car with cold air intake" will have the same results because newer air box designs are very efficient (and cold air intakes just ship with higher flow filters). Drop a K&N filter into your stock air box and get all the benefits of a cold air intake at a fraction of the cost.
Garth S there has a been a lot of testing of new cars with drop in performance filters that show a very small gain in power. Project Farm showed that a KN drop in filter let in more particles than a good quality paper filter. I am not sure how accurate it is in real world but it does give us an idea.
Garth S even better leave your stock filter in. The oils from a k&n filter along with it’s capability to trap less dirt is a good way to shorten the life of your MAF
Warm air intakes are for sound only. Stock air boxes have lower IATs, and muffle sound more, and are engineered by the car engineers to work with the MAF sensor best. Dyno tuning a car with the hood up leads to better results with them because they are sucking way more air than if hood was down. It is a big business and the manufacturers of them try their hardest to promote them as something special, with or without a tune.
I did a "Cold Air" intake on my Turbo Chevy Cruze. The blowoff alone is worth the effort for that install. Not difficult, I have never worked on a car before, so it took some getting used to.
@@BigTreeLander i don’t wanna speak for him but anything that allows a turboed car to get more air would increase power far better than a NA car getting an intake, the spooling sound alone would make it worth it regardless imo
The title is “are intakes even worth it” then you proceed to talk about what the best intake is for your car and how to install them. Based on the title I expected you to do a side by side comparison with actual data. Saying this, I now have the sudden urge to buy a K&N intake.
If you just add the K&N that goes in the box you will be way better off. Open element filter just suck in hot air which ruins any performance gain from the extra flow.
he did aha (aha but not in a mean way :o) , and he did also answer the title right away , right after the 12-15ish mark in the video , where he proceeds to talk abt installing it lmao , so there'd you'd think right away "oh ok so it is good" 💀 then you can click off lmao it told you the answer right away , like it should ;) lmao i still watched it though :)
Stock air box ducting works pretty well, but the actual intake is restrictive. Ideally, ducting that pulls air away from hotter air and a higher flowing intake would be the best bet
As a mechanic they're great. When they fail to keep water out- I make money. I just posted an in-depth video on this very concept the day before this one.
I made one for a laugh and an experiment, and it worked surprisingly well, but amongst other reasons, sucking rain in is why I took it off. ua-cam.com/video/ox-R1MVXeF8/v-deo.html
Mine sits right under a hood vent and even during a heavy rain there's no way it would even see remotely enough water to do any damage. Especially if you have one of the many hydrophobic covers that are available.. Now if someone does some janky custom air box that literally holds water like a bucket, then I could see that being an issue.
He's actually pretty try hard, just more comfortable on camera because he's done this for years on other car channels before now. The other guy is probably just as liked and respected in real life because true car enthusiats aren't toxic and like everything on 4 wheels
It used to be the case decades ago where an intake would be a great modification, but these days most car filter boxes are designed better, and replacing with some cheapo intake will just introduce more contaminants into the engine. Some folks always think that they are smarter than actual engineers. Remember that race car engines get rebuilt after races.
If you aren't buying a sealed, fitted box CAI with a high flow filter...you are wasting your money. People blow money on K&N and it's no better than a Nappa/O'Reilly's Special (Spectre brand, etc). If you can't get cooled air into your engine, you aren't doing shit and the only way to guarantee that is to get a sealed box kit (like S&B). Anything else is cosmetic ricer shit that you're paying for brand over performance. Ironically....the sealed box kits almost always have a poly screen on top and look professional AF while also being cosmetically superior at the same time. Shit looks primo mint. It also makes everything sound "meaner", exhaust wise
@Jack Myhre spoken like a true casual. If you don't have "93 octane in your veins"....you'll never understand. It's the chase that never ends....you can always squeeze out a little more.
@Jack Myhre You are probably not a car enthusiast and that is ok, as most people aren't. I would agree with you, that we all could get from point A to point B in a CVT Mitsubishi Mirage. 78 hp will do the job screaming in protest, however if that was the only car available, most enthusiasts would be looking for ways to make it stand out, sound better and move out faster. When I was 14 I was looking for ways to mod my Garelli moped. A few years later, I was modding my GSXR1000.
i removed a aftermarket intake from my car because it was a cheap on that didn't have the proper vacuum hoses. it was causing a rough idle. Make sure your intake can accommodate the vacuum lines in your car.
I just like the way it makes my truck sound. I don't care if it does anything or not. Gives it the nice engine tone without having to put an exhaust on it that on long trips can get kinda annoying.
Have you ever replaced an old cabin air filter? They can get plenty dirty just filtering interior air from the ventilation/heating system over the years. Most modern vehicles have a cabin air filter, but not every single one.
@@The_Fat_Turtle these are typically to filter the air coming into the cabin from the outside. If the HVAC isn't on recirculate it is drawing air from outside the car.
@@MickyTicky2x4 Agreed, but the worst of what they're filtering is coming from the outside. It's not going to pick up the old fries and burritos you leave under your seat.
That's what I love about trucks like the silverado. The stock filter is already in a cold air position and takes in air from in front of the radiator, so you only replace the box and filter
They didn't explain anything. Just claimed aftermarket was better and how to install one. They made a claim, then assumed it was true with no proof. It has been tested on a dyno several times. Aftermarket intakes only make more noise, at best. Restrict your airflow at worst. I'm not sure if people realize, engineering a car is...hard.
@@djtripnosys Yet so many ppl use them. even ppl who know about cars. They explain the pros and con and roughly how it works. They're not engeneers they're mechanics
I like the str8 foward info you gave on both styles of aftermarket intakes. Alot of other channels make it seem like if U get a cai or short ram, your car is going to blow up. Good vid!!
Often, the increased power is caused by the car running leaner due to how the MAF sensor reads the air stream volume. Of course, as the car warms up, the computer will correct it back to stock.
Installing an open filter in the engine bay will actually decrease power most of the time. It might let in more air, but under hood air temps are very hot. The factory air box might be restrictive, but it pulls in cooler air from outside the engine bay. If you install an open filter, either use a cold air box to shield from engine heat, or put the filter outside of the engine bay. I cut a hole in my engine bay and mounted the filter in front of the wheel well. It's shielded from road debris and hot engine air
@@bradlfsh Sure... want to know how the air cools down the hot metal? By soaking up that heat... which makes the air... HOT. It is thermal dynamics 101.
This video is 100% BS. The stock engine was getting enough cool air, even per Donut's admission. They then put in a metal tube to absorb heat. Also, that metal tube _will not_ add 6hp to the wheel in real world applications. All aftermarket air intake companies use tainted tests to show these improvements. What the air intake _will_ do is 1) make your intake sound louder and 3) make it look like you worked on your car and 3) make your wallet lighter. That is all.
Great video with all the details on cold air intake. Cool sound!! The only downside is that K&N filters ( although help in performance ), let in tons of particles in your engine. I've had K&N filters on different cars and every time the box behind or after the filter would be a lot dirtier than stock filter.
@@NineDiamont Not sure if enough owners keep their car long enough after the CAI, AND to have gathered that data centrally somewhere, for folks to document the difference. That said, just run a thought-experiment (like Einstein often does): Increased dust particles coating the backside of all your intake valves --> which will 'rub' into the valve stem seal when the intake valves close, abasing against the intake valve stem seals... Increased dust particles entering the combustion chamber, some of them coat onto the cylinder walls --> which the piston rings will scrub against in the compression stroke. During the combustion/expansion stroke, oil (on the cylinder wall) getting scrapped down into oil pan, will 'wash' some of that particle into the oil pan, which will reach the oil filter later. --> Depending on particle size, some will get trapped by oil filter, some will make it through the filter and keep circulating in the oil. The [small] ones that keep circulating in the oil, depending on the relationship between their particle size vs the parts-tolerance (that's suppose to allow a very thin layer of oil between moving parts), might or might-not contribute to additional wear. (I am not familiar with that designed-in tolerance, so unable to comment on that particular area.) I'm going to GUESS (and this is really just a guess): For folks that don't plan on keeping the car another 100K miles after the CAI, probably won't notice the longevity difference. But for folks that plan on driving their car well into 300K miles or more, the additional pass-through dirt/particles is probably not good idea. Personally, my thinking is: if a smaller-engine car can take a "stock" airbox designed for a larger-engine car, that's probably the best of both worlds - larger filtration cross section area, less flow-restriction, and still a reliable OEM filtrate. BUT, that won't come with the intake sound. And also, most small engine bays will have problem trying to fit the larger airbox... That's the direction I'm looking into at this point for my car. Already, a changed muffler made the sound better, but it becomes annoying on 6+ hour drives on the interstate - I imagine a CAI will be like that. So I'm looking for better intake air flow, but not a more pronounced sound.
There’s actually a fiberglass shroud you can buy for that ram intake that essentially closes off the filter from the engine bay. This was just a stupid video about a guy putting an intake into his car for no reason; they didn’t even answer the question posed in the title.
bought a 2004 Jetta recently and it seems the air-filter wasn't changed in a good number of years. The revs would dip a lot, and the car would often stall. Temporarily took a cone air intake from my brother's car (needs a lot of time, money and repairs). Works and sounds great, but it does seem sluggish is the mid-rpm range. Will probably restore the OEM intake system after getting a new air-filter.
Great video! I have a few points to make though. 1. You could also mention the option of an aftermarket panel filter to be used in the original airbox. It's a good and really easy mod to do, and has the same lifetime use as other aftermarket air filters. 2. Another con of a short ram / cold air intake is if you live in very cold climates condensation could freeze your intake and make your car run badly or not even at all of you're unlucky. This is where keeping the original airbox is a better idea.
@@MJCExperience Just because it didn't happen to YOU, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. Old-school pilots know that intake freezing (carburettor ice) is very common and DANGEROUS.
@@SlikLizrd That's an entirely different animal. clouds are literally made of water, cars don't end up in clouds ever, unless it's incredibly foggy, which isn't usually the case if it's below freezing because said water vapor freezes and falls.
@@JacopoSkydweller Pilots know that Carburettor Ice can form on a clear day -- clouds not necssary. Not a problem these days, with modern fuel injection. I have never experienced carburettor ice in an automobile engine -- but PLEASE don't tell me it can't happen -- unless you can PROVE it. 😁
If you want performance in exchange for long engine life go for an open intake with no filter, just like drag racers. They rebuild engines all the time. If you want to get the most miles out of your truck or car stay with the factory-recommended filters and oils! There is a trade-off when it comes to power vs reliability! Don't fall for all that great marketing.
That’s literally not true. Having an open intake with no filtration will decrease power output due to the engine sucking in dust and dirt which are not good for combustion
Then why do people with Very High mileage so a CAI insert when they feel the engine has gone through too much? Usually people will say it will extend life especially when adding a better exhaust?
I love how they don’t talk about tuning after you get the intake installed. Anything that changes the airflow of the car you will have to get it tuned people!!
Absolutely. Stock air box has a snorkel that pulls cold air from the bottom, and a big plastic case that shields hot air from the engine. Perfect system. Amazing how everyone wants to remove it. Paper filters work way better than mesh too.
Hey, before anyone installs their aftermarket k&n air filter, wait a day after spraying down the filter to let it dry. If you just start using it immediately it can cause contaminates to stick to the filter and require faster cleaning, and the oil could be sucked into the engine
Love your videos, they're some of my favorite anywhere. I thought I'd chip in however that air intakes don't improve fuel economy by reducing restriction. Consider that the throttle plate is literally a restrictor to control the air going in. If your filter is a little less restrictive, you end to with the throttle slightly more closed in the same driving conditions, making exactly the same restriction.
I used a bluetooth OBD2 scanner to get a intake temperature reading before and after my SRI install. After and hour of driving the temperature difference was minimal, especially while your moving. At the end of the day someone who is installing an intake is probably just getting into the car game and has limited funds, knowledge, and tools. Give them a break and encourage/help them out.
I've logged both a snorkle delete on the factory intake and a Cobb intake. Drove around town and the IATs skyrocketed on the Cobb where the stock would raise maybe 5*. There was no power difference either. This was on my WRX.
Episode idea for you, garage and tools - what basic tools a car enthusiast needs and how to set up and equip once garage. Great show keep going strong!
@@BlackD69 when I filled up my rental car before I went to the airport the gas station attendant disappeared for some time before he returned with my credit card. When l got home and tried to use my card it was denied. Dude stole my credit card info and made a bunch of online purchases so that sort of did it for me. It's not really the reason but that's my excuse. I still visit that area once a year, though. I just pay with cash. New Jersey has the same law. I live in a college town where there's a bunch of students from NJ and I've had to show someone a couple of times how to use the pumps. Weird law.
We were driving from British Columbia to California years ago,we were just over the border in northern Cali and were getting gas. In the span of five minutes,I saw three drivers with Oregon plates not know how to pump fuel,they were all older people and one didn’t even know where the gas went in the car,I couldn’t believe it. Oregon isn’t that big,have they never left the state?
C Ney I’d have agree and disagree with you. While the car is sitting at the light the air intake temperature does get pretty hot. But once the car is moving the temperature cools back down. Idk about that tiny looking engine compartment but I know that the case in my car.
I love the zoom-in on knocking the box over at 4:46 and the "shooting" the bolt off. As for intakes, it really depends on the vehicle and the kit, and there's plenty of room for aftermarket stuff to do more harm than good. My car is a 96 Camaro with a 3800 V6, and according to some online forums, the earlier year intakes like mine have somewhat restrictive air boxes, but the newer ones (I think 98+) are better. So I took all that out and put a double-coned air filter right onto the intake manifold, no tubing or adapters or anything. I'm not getting any of the air box resonance stuff, but I get some performance with weight reduction, if nothing else.
Depends on vehicle. My 2017 4runner was down right asmatic. Installed the S and B cold air box and it sounds fantastic. The old induction sound was a strange whine, now it sings at semi heavy acceleration. At regular speeds barely noticeable. Mash that pedal and wow. I'm sold.
The factory setup is designed to suck cold air from the fender or in front of the radiator. When you add a “cold air intake” it sucks hot air from under the hood. It’s hard to outsmart factory engineers.
You know car engineers have more to worry about than just performance like how to design a car that's actually more difficult to work on than is needed, optimizing for emissions, and you can't forget they have to make sure no two cars they design takes the same parts as any other car maker or even sharing parts between the different sub models of their own cars cause money makes the world go round
Imo not unless you have a hood scope that’s feeding fresh air directly into the filter....sealed walls helps but they still get warm and heat decreases hp. Some hood scoop, walls around filter and that’s the best way period.
I've tested the stock system and a Short Ram Intake with a BlueTooth Obd2 scanner. There temperature difference in my car after an hour of driving was only 8*. That difference also disappeared once the car was moving.
I really love how they make it very clear in every episode that checking forums and being apart of the car community is an essential part in understanding your car.
@@coldestwaters Facts. Google is more educational then todays Colleges.
Community knowledge is important! google and an OBD reader are also super important tools.
Until you actually know what you're talking about and you realize most forums are full of very confident yet uneducated people
@@ReginaCæliLætare yes extremely true I like going to them to laugh and also sometimes you find diamonds in the rough or at least possible options or things to consider first before you jump to conclusions also if you know alot going to the forum to learn about something seems counter intuitive its like the teacher asking the class about the subject so the teacher can understand the subject
And yet they don't provide any information as to where to find the forums or community.
Anyone know what the good forums are?
I like how he answers the question in the first few seconds then goes through explaining why and what to get. Donut is really unmatched
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I like when he oiled the pre-oiled filter.
Underrated comment. Made me decide if i even wanted to watch this video. Thanks
do you have to tune?
@@juliansky7989 yes
Imagine if this series goes on for years and he ends up with a 600 horsepower miata 😂
Considering he can either get Donut to pay for the parts, or claim them on his taxes, it's a smart business decision.
A year? It doesn't take that long to LS swap it.
That's pretty much what Happened to Phil, the Miata on Car Throttle.
"Are V12 Engines Even Worth It?"
On a miata, i think that can only be accomplished with a swap engine, would be cool af though
I like installing intakes on every vehicle, it’s nice to hear the air rush into throttle. It’s usually an immediate upgrade, but even better with a tune.
when I did mine the first time, I didn't know about the sound. got real excited when I took it for the test drive. ha
The second best sound after a supercharger jet sound :D
junk car
yea; I'd even say some cars require tune.... STIs are fairly terrible without; they'll lean out and misifire on boost with just a CAI.
@Aerogrow turbo motors are picky and you really should tune it with an intake. NA engine require minimal, if any, changes because of an intake.. just like the changes you'll notice with an intake on a NA, minimal... if any 😅😂
"anyone want this air filter?"
*throws it on the ground*
Everyone: not anymore!
Came here to post exactly this. 🤣🤣🤣
Just knock the dirt off, it's still good.
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@@williwonti jokes my friend.
5 second rule
but my Cobb intake comes with a cool sticker and makes whooshing noises!
It also helps your engine go knock knock! Put the stock one back on. It can handle up to 400hp just fine and if you're making that kind of power in a Subaru then you've already got the support for the intake. Subarus hate aftermarket intakes.
If you tune for cobb intake it will be fine
@@SavouryLobster never add any part without tuning on a subaru. Just slapping an intake and bov on is a good way to blow up
@@SavouryLobster Yup, that's the issue, people get the intake separately without a tune. With Subaru's you really just need to do your exhaust, intake, everything you want done on the same day, then pay for a single tune, otherwise there's potentially issues with them leaning out (I know the older 2.5's are lean enough with the crappy stock tune as it is); I don't miss the cost of owning a wrx, but it was a fun vehicle, just a money pit to do everything correctly, so much so, you're better off just buying the car you really want. I ended up going 370z, yeap, N/A boring, but it handles like a dream with just an upgraded front swaybar, and is only slightly slower than the wrx > 110mph ( I had a blouch 20g on the wrx). Don't miss the expensive clutch upgrades, tmic heat soak issues, crappy brakes, never ending coilover/alignment adjustments on the wrx (it's just never going to handle like you want it to, short of if you spend the extra $$ on the sti and get the better transmission and locking center diff). Overall it was some give/take, but I now have much better control over costs with the NIssan, even though Nissan is likely to go out of business right now they way it's being ran into the ground!! I think if the FRS/BRZ goes Turbo, that'll be one fun power to weight ratio setup from the factory along with obviously much better handling than both the Z and the wrx, so that's on the radar for the next fun to drive daily, but it'll just be intake/exhaust/stage II tune and that's that.
@@SavouryLobster FALSE
"Money Pit" = best car modification show title ever!
Especially when he does no remotely scientific comparison testing and is just throwing on more expensive parts
It's a slap in the face towards Scotty Kilmer
Then wtf's donut midia?
Might Car Mods, and Roadkill...
I was thinking shitbox adventures would work too
He does a great job of breaking down the performance and relevance of specific parts for viewers who might not be as “car savvy” to understand the functionality, much appreciated
It depends on your vehicle. Some OEM intakes are designed really really well, and people end up getting worse performance when they replace them. I had a tuned volkswagen passat, and i loved the aftermarket intake because it looked amazing and it was carbon fiber and all that, but it did absolutely nothing for performance because the stock airbox was essentially just as effective, even with the tune.
I have a gti and I was looking at my stock intake and I’m like bruh this thing seems to be well made to suck in air
Waa thinking about that also with my dual air intake stock 350z
I could see my stock intake has a lot of restriction and with this new one that I’m getting it has none and more cold air especially in this cold weather season
@@luuch_ adventuri carbon fiber intake adds alot with a tune. Noticeably more low end without the tune but after tune large difference. Intake is about 1200 though
@@luuch_ well worth the money especially since u could already afford the GTI to begin with another 1200 isn't bad for the gains. Plus it looks amazing. Everyone always asks about it
It’s like if Science Garage and ChrisFix had a kid and made Money Pit
They can never replace Bart
Chris Fix is more specific
Miss Science Garage so much. These small clips are ok but still,missing bart
LOL, kind of. (:
What happened to Bart ?
If your filter is clogged/dirty the car just has allergies.
Air filter? I believe you mean the head! My honda had aftermarket head and intake!
The car has "Carona Virus" 😂
Emanuel Ruiz
Coughin = coffin
It's Just Sten - Clever
common mistake - lmfao good one
I think the sound is the main reason that I like them. The sound alone makes you feel like you're going faster lol. So any difference that it made is enhanced by the noise I feel. Maybe I'm weird but I never leave any of those stock air snorkel things. I always got it and have straight piping right up to the throttle body
Yup. If you consider intakes to be sound mods then you’re in the right mind set. Porsche put the Cayman GT4RS intake right behind your head and every journalist raves about the sound
It’s not just you chief
Souds faster, goes slower. Lol
Also looks better lol
@@sigmamale4147 Lmao That's funny
Zach sounding like he's finally settling into his own style of delivery and hosting. Good on you, bro.
if tomorrow he decided to quit, I legitimately would miss him on the channel. Cool dude
I was about to comment this
He is definitely being written for by the same turds who try to make everyone seem like the same.person here
@@THCv3 Bro calm tf down they're not doing a bad job at all
He’s essential to the channel now
This is actually my favorite of the shows on Donut, and it's very informative and entertaining. Zach is also quickly becoming one of my favorite hosts, great job!
Right? I was hesitant at first but you can tell hes a genuine dude. Plus he skates so I automatically trust/like him more then that 4th wheel guy they added who just pretends to be James and has the face/smile of a serial killer.
@@Brock_Corb yea that guy is an ass they should kick him
Nah that guy is a lot better now, I would keep him.
6:19 I see a magnaflow exhaust box in the back it would Make sense to install an exhaust after an intake
Maximus Campbell on all 4 of my builds exhaust was always first. Can’t dump money into something that sounds like a vacuum
Why do I have 6 neutrals i mean some cars the stock exhaust has more than enough flow to make power so you’d be saving money
Most likely the next vid.
Koolblue yeah wasn’t the case with my cars though lol my mustangs mufflers each weighed 35 pounds so those didn’t last long
@@Koolblue900 most people do exhaust for noise
I've seen this video about 15 times because this is an awesome series to watch. But every time I watch it, I am always caught off guard with the gunshot. That has to be the best edit I have ever seen! It's so funny and I never expect it which makes it even better!
I had to replay thought I was tripping 😂😂 🔫 💥🤯
Not gonna lie. When he said "listen to this" I was expecting them to sub in some 800hp car as a joke and then play us the real sound. That intake made way more of a difference than I had expected.
$245 for just that? Catch me getting a shift piece of 3 in u pipe and a filter for less than 100
It's like a practical version of Science Garage, I like it.
I still miss science garage and Bart. Was very entertaining and informative. Learned more from science garage than i do in science class in school.
@@zerixor8134 #BringBackBart
@@nfinzer22 He's on paternity leave I think.
@@zerixor8134 lol then you must either be really dumb or just didn't pay much attention in school
Voxle no he’s permanently split now
5:13 this is what I imagine dating a singer would be like
Lol
LMAO i died
such a shitpost, I love it
My sides...
You’re killing me. XD
Worth noting that K&N filters are less restrictive and let more particles in. On a racecar that you take out on weekends, sure. But if you want to use your vehicle for as long as mechanically possible, a normal disposable paper air filter would be a safer choice in terms of reliability.
That really only becomes a problem if you live in dusty areas. It may also be worth noting that, because of this, reverting to stock may be worth it when roads are salted.
K&N filters sounds like a nightmare used in dusty Saudi Arabia.
@@theuncanspan keep it stock if particles are a big problem
@@synthwaver7698 or keep it stock if you value not having to rebuild your engine after a dust storm
@@tomtom1541 but wheres the fun in that!
That shot tho. Had to go back and make sure the drill didn’t actually blow up
a person nowadays can't even say "more power" without thinking of about James
Nah, Jeremy
@@wouterhoogers2615 you mean orangutan?
Or imagen his voice Everytime that you see " Moore Pooweer baabe
When you are making power: MO POWA BAYBEH
When you have power: POWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
clearly Clarkson knows whats up
@@wouterhoogers2615 nah james
8:26 I didn't hear any click :(
😂😂😂he broke that piece
😂
i got a tear there.
Lmao oop
💀
Previous owner of my Miata installed a similar intake. I absolutely hate it though because it prevents the hood from coming all the way down on that side of the car. I don't know why most people don't duct the intake into the Miata's "mouth" instead of keeping it in the warm engine bay.
Probably just added complexity not being worth it in the end. I can see how also a longer intake piping can mess with airflow and throttle response.
Idk anything about Miatas but id imagine there are smaller sized cone filters available so you’d be able to close the hood properly?
@@poopsie117 there isn't an easy way to do it because of the shape of the radiator and front bracing/crash structure. It actually makes quite a difference in intake temps too, up to 40 Fahrenheit or more, so if it was easy a lot more kits would be sold for it. So everyone is out there running warm air intakes
@@GetOffMyLog to be fair, 99.999999% of CAI actually take away from the well engineered intakes that actually suck cold air from the factory and give you nice warm air that reduces your engines power.
there's a company making actual cold air intakes for the NA miatas now (I think it's napp performance) but the problem is they're more expensive than the Racing Beat one is (like $400 vs like $330) and it doesn't even come with a filter, only the pipes. IDK how much power they're making compared to other intakes, but honestly I'll save the extra $70+filter cost to just get a kit that is complete and hang on to the extra money in the turbo kit fund :)
@@alaindelon5398 Most people who work on cars don't fabricate their own parts though.
RIP to the cruise control wiring that never got replaced😂
it got "relocated"
When I bought this I didn’t realize u had to relocate the cruise control, so I jus pulled it out
Seriously......who actually needs cruise control?
@@noseyparker6622 Cruise control is awesome to have. I'd be willing to pay a couple hundred bucks to get it in my car.
Luuk Volkering I’ve had it in a few cars that I’ve owned.....never once used it 😂
K&N sticker adds more horsepower than a “cold air intake”
A big one across the top of the windscreen is like adding a turbo
Fuck it, sounds cool
stop giving the secrets away
I mean... where is the lie
Mfrs buy a new car nd the first thing they do is watse money on a new intake that does fuck all for performance
On my 95 4runner I put on a cold air intake and it helped a lot! Made it sound better, and gave a bit of extra power. Plus it was easy to clean and put back rather than buying a new filter each time
Everyone knows that a "cold air intake" adds +100hp to any car! 😁😂
Performance spark plugs add another 50!
Didnt they say stickers add 1hp to 5hp?
@@doggofrs9651 no, 15hp at least
Add performance badge like TRD +15hp
@@opasoca4954 yep, each sticker is 15hp easy!
Mighty car mods did a whole video on this.
They had the cars on a dyno before and after the intake mods. They found that the majority of the time you are losing power, maybe staying the same. The only good thing about these intakes is the sound.
That "plastic box" that was removed acts as a shield for the hot air inside the engine bay, while the plastic tube that was removed was bringing cold air from areas with cold air flow.
It all comes down to the design. A majority of them don't add much power because they're capitalizing on the mere concept, despite the fact that not every engine bay is going to have the space available for the perfect design.
Ironically, the Mini Cooper has an aftermarket option that very well designed that adds 8HP
It all depends on how the intake restricts mass air flow. An OEM design restrictive to flow will do that, but so will a design that takes in the much less dense hot air. The temps under the hood can get pretty toasty travelling at city speeds, at highway speeds the temp is less of an issue.
Specifically on a dyno most fan setups are ridiculously inadequate to simulate actual fresh airflow into the front bumper, so intakes prone to taking in hot air will appear worse than they actually are in real world driving conditions.
The only intakes worth getting are those that relocate the air filter/box to a location with less heat. Some cars net respectable gains with a CAI, and some don't. It's worth spending some time looking at groups and websites dedicated to your car or engine, before investing in a CAI. On most modern cars, the primary restriction is in the exhaust, not the intake.
Saw a very thorough analysis comparing air filters. It's true that more porous filters provide a small boost in performance, however, they also allow a corresponding increase in particles getting into the engine. So, the tradeoff is a 1/10 or 2/10ths in 0-60 time, but more engine wear. No free lunch.
Love the gunshot at 7:27 when hes undoing bolts. This needs to be a new bit in your videos.
i thought i was trippin XD
@@gerryvarela7201 you are man...
😂😂 sound effects are A1
Agreed, that was subtle but perfect. Needs to be a thing.
I thought I was trippin also. Literally until I read this
7:27 I thought he gave up and shot his Miata.
Funniest comment here
I was so caught off guard i had to replay it thinking his drill backfired
lmao
Was looking for this comment... busted a cap in its ass!
9mm miata 🤣
10:00 “Donut every day.”
This is the only time a Donut every day is actually good for you...
Read your comment as soon as he said it lol
... Do nut every day...
Snazzy amen to that!
Scotty woulda said: “DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY”😅😂🤣
You mean there are people who still listen to Scotty? I stopped a couple of years ago. 😂
@@robo08ify cope
Yeah, I stopped watching that old yeller years ago
I get better mileage with my cold air intake on my 09 scion tc.
Don't these aftermarket air filters, make the check engine light come on??
My recommendation is to look up dyno results for your car comparing 3 things: Stock car, stock car with high flow filter, and car with a cold air intake. Especially on newer cars, the "stock car with high flow filter" and "car with cold air intake" will have the same results because newer air box designs are very efficient (and cold air intakes just ship with higher flow filters). Drop a K&N filter into your stock air box and get all the benefits of a cold air intake at a fraction of the cost.
Garth S there has a been a lot of testing of new cars with drop in performance filters that show a very small gain in power. Project Farm showed that a KN drop in filter let in more particles than a good quality paper filter. I am not sure how accurate it is in real world but it does give us an idea.
nah
I'll stick with my K&N and an overpriced warranty
FACT
Garth S even better leave your stock filter in. The oils from a k&n filter along with it’s capability to trap less dirt is a good way to shorten the life of your MAF
Warm air intakes are for sound only. Stock air boxes have lower IATs, and muffle sound more, and are engineered by the car engineers to work with the MAF sensor best. Dyno tuning a car with the hood up leads to better results with them because they are sucking way more air than if hood was down. It is a big business and the manufacturers of them try their hardest to promote them as something special, with or without a tune.
7:27 :When the Miata suffers too much, you gotta shoot to end it's suffering.
I had to go back cause I was like "did he just?"
That was the funniest part😂😂😂
I did a "Cold Air" intake on my Turbo Chevy Cruze. The blowoff alone is worth the effort for that install. Not difficult, I have never worked on a car before, so it took some getting used to.
did it add power at all? ive already done exhaust and a few other things but i want the noise
@@BigTreeLander i don’t wanna speak for him but anything that allows a turboed car to get more air would increase power far better than a NA car getting an intake, the spooling sound alone would make it worth it regardless imo
The title is “are intakes even worth it” then you proceed to talk about what the best intake is for your car and how to install them.
Based on the title I expected you to do a side by side comparison with actual data.
Saying this, I now have the sudden urge to buy a K&N intake.
Go to Mighty Car Mods, they actually did dyno testing. The results are minimal or worse! And not even close to 6 wheel horse power!
If you just add the K&N that goes in the box you will be way better off. Open element filter just suck in hot air which ruins any performance gain from the extra flow.
Dr. Evil it gets you on a subliminal level. As if it’s very poorly down secretly paid advertising
he did aha (aha but not in a mean way :o) , and he did also answer the title right away , right after the 12-15ish mark in the video , where he proceeds to talk abt installing it lmao , so there'd you'd think right away "oh ok so it is good" 💀 then you can click off lmao it told you the answer right away , like it should ;) lmao i still watched it though :)
Stock air filters are tested and tuned by the manufacturer with the best results.
Stock air box ducting works pretty well, but the actual intake is restrictive. Ideally, ducting that pulls air away from hotter air and a higher flowing intake would be the best bet
do you hear that me neither and I can't feel what the cars doing so yeah we need to make it louder so I can hear what the hell the motors doing🤣🤣🤣
As a mechanic they're great. When they fail to keep water out- I make money. I just posted an in-depth video on this very concept the day before this one.
That’s what a intake rain guard is for
I made one for a laugh and an experiment, and it worked surprisingly well, but amongst other reasons, sucking rain in is why I took it off.
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This may be a dumb question but what is the probability of water going in and what happens when water goes in?
@@pratikpatel1631 on the one in my video? A high probability I’d say....
Mine sits right under a hood vent and even during a heavy rain there's no way it would even see remotely enough water to do any damage. Especially if you have one of the many hydrophobic covers that are available.. Now if someone does some janky custom air box that literally holds water like a bucket, then I could see that being an issue.
I wish they did horsepower readings before and after each of these so we would know what actually made a difference and how large of one.
I like this guy, he’s not a try hard like the new bumper to bumper host.
He's actually pretty try hard, just more comfortable on camera because he's done this for years on other car channels before now. The other guy is probably just as liked and respected in real life because true car enthusiats aren't toxic and like everything on 4 wheels
The one that laughs at his own unfunny jokes? He's the worst.
The young country boy is hard to listen to.
It used to be the case decades ago where an intake would be a great modification, but these days most car filter boxes are designed better, and replacing with some cheapo intake will just introduce more contaminants into the engine. Some folks always think that they are smarter than actual engineers. Remember that race car engines get rebuilt after races.
This guys is a teen ager...still using that chepo..coffee filter.
If you aren't buying a sealed, fitted box CAI with a high flow filter...you are wasting your money. People blow money on K&N and it's no better than a Nappa/O'Reilly's Special (Spectre brand, etc). If you can't get cooled air into your engine, you aren't doing shit and the only way to guarantee that is to get a sealed box kit (like S&B). Anything else is cosmetic ricer shit that you're paying for brand over performance.
Ironically....the sealed box kits almost always have a poly screen on top and look professional AF while also being cosmetically superior at the same time. Shit looks primo mint. It also makes everything sound "meaner", exhaust wise
@Jack Myhre spoken like a true casual. If you don't have "93 octane in your veins"....you'll never understand. It's the chase that never ends....you can always squeeze out a little more.
@Jack Myhre You are probably not a car enthusiast and that is ok, as most people aren't. I would agree with you, that we all could get from point A to point B in a CVT Mitsubishi Mirage. 78 hp will do the job screaming in protest, however if that was the only car available, most enthusiasts would be looking for ways to make it stand out, sound better and move out faster. When I was 14 I was looking for ways to mod my Garelli moped. A few years later, I was modding my GSXR1000.
@@m.a.d.pandagaming6895 I wish he would have said that. Dont you alsow have to add more fuel to the mixture or is it to get better quality air.
Whoever's editing these is clearly havin' a lot of fun lol
Big fan
the little gunshot at 7:25 when he's using the drill(?) actually spooked me. lol
I had the RB intake, with RB headers and muffler on my NB2 and it sounded amazing. Have that 1.8 a nice rumble, almost like a wrx. Loved it
Did you put the air filter sticker on the car? You know that adds two extra horsepower. 😁
Also the turbo sticker adds 200 hp
Bennet Fox h
Thaybis actually where the hp gains come from
my K&N came with 3 stickers, HECK YEAH
I love these comments
The gunshot was amazing. it took a few seconds for me to fully realize. "wait, what was that?" love small stuff like that
i removed a aftermarket intake from my car because it was a cheap on that didn't have the proper vacuum hoses. it was causing a rough idle. Make sure your intake can accommodate the vacuum lines in your car.
I just like the way it makes my truck sound. I don't care if it does anything or not. Gives it the nice engine tone without having to put an exhaust on it that on long trips can get kinda annoying.
I bought my intake solely for the induction sound.
Same reason i bought a girlfriend
Worth it.
@@Donut what happened to the cruise control
What car?
@@MaFTB My battery is under the rear passenger seat to save room
Day 109 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
Com on, they have to do it now
doitttt
jeez bro, you still doing it?!
wow this gets funnier every time i see it posted
@@americansforhire5378 pahahagahahha putting your insta after comments you beg 😂
I wanted to re locate my air filter to the interior. There ya go it’s never gonna be hot or it’s gonna get dirty. Advantage is you can hear it
Have you ever replaced an old cabin air filter? They can get plenty dirty just filtering interior air from the ventilation/heating system over the years. Most modern vehicles have a cabin air filter, but not every single one.
@@The_Fat_Turtle these are typically to filter the air coming into the cabin from the outside. If the HVAC isn't on recirculate it is drawing air from outside the car.
@@andrewhall8123 Most cabin air filters are in use whether it's set to recirculate or not actually.
@@MickyTicky2x4 Agreed, but the worst of what they're filtering is coming from the outside. It's not going to pick up the old fries and burritos you leave under your seat.
My 5.0 ranger desert race truck has the filter mounted on the inside of passengers side firewall, it sounds extremely awesome
That's what I love about trucks like the silverado. The stock filter is already in a cold air position and takes in air from in front of the radiator, so you only replace the box and filter
Honestly, you're the first car channel that actually takes time to explain when if does and why. I'm glad for that
yeah but no amount of power will ever allow a gas car to beat my car off the line cause gas engines are slow as shit🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They didn't explain anything. Just claimed aftermarket was better and how to install one.
They made a claim, then assumed it was true with no proof.
It has been tested on a dyno several times. Aftermarket intakes only make more noise, at best. Restrict your airflow at worst.
I'm not sure if people realize, engineering a car is...hard.
@@raven4k998 As long as your battery doesn't explode. 😅
@@djtripnosys Yet so many ppl use them. even ppl who know about cars. They explain the pros and con and roughly how it works. They're not engeneers they're mechanics
@mizzouxc3824 "lots of people got a covid shot" lmfao bro get out of here u fuckin threeper
dude has a 10mm right when he needs one. true wizard!
Should be ragulations. Like a checkup. No 10. And you are not allowed to wrench.
No deep socket? Smh
Funniest ever
4:12
Money Pit cameraman:
Yo Zach! Do a kickflip on that skateboard over there. You wont
Zach:
BET
I wanna know his setup
Thank you so very much for EXPLAINING what you were doing and why! What a difference! I'm upgrading asap! You rock dude! Good humor too! Cheers!
I like the str8 foward info you gave on both styles of aftermarket intakes. Alot of other channels make it seem like if U get a cai or short ram, your car is going to blow up. Good vid!!
0:40 I like how Zach says "our" engine as if his Miata belongs to us too.
can't wait to go down and take my turn at the wheel!
Where is our car key?
Sounds like communist propaganda but ok
Pretty sure he means donut media...
@@ragegamingvideosify Oh...
Am I the only one who laughed at 4:47 when the editor zoomed in on him knocking the box over 🤣
Same here! hahaha that was so dang funny perfect edit! I really enjoy the little added bits like that or like the gunshot on the bolt so subtle 🤣
Yes
You mean, him, he is the editor.
Yep you're the only one😶
Often, the increased power is caused by the car running leaner due to how the MAF sensor reads the air stream volume.
Of course, as the car warms up, the computer will correct it back to stock.
Installing an open filter in the engine bay will actually decrease power most of the time. It might let in more air, but under hood air temps are very hot. The factory air box might be restrictive, but it pulls in cooler air from outside the engine bay. If you install an open filter, either use a cold air box to shield from engine heat, or put the filter outside of the engine bay. I cut a hole in my engine bay and mounted the filter in front of the wheel well. It's shielded from road debris and hot engine air
Not on turbocharged vehicles, since the air cools in the intercooler then the engine nd out the turbo
Finally some pro's
@@marioramos239 ur dumb the air temp its taking in still greatly affects it why everyone says 40-60 degrees is “boost weather”
if the car had a turbo wouldn't there be no point for a cold air intake since the cold form the inter cooler goes info to the intake
Quick tip: A dirty mass air flow sensor can cause a high idle. In my case I took my idling from 1000 - 1200 rpm to abt 600 - 700 rpn
@༺Nate Higgers༻ and mine goes 2000 my idle is around 800
An ignorant here. Got a a question, do high idle detrimental for the engine?
Thanks Shay! I'd say I'm fairly good at troubleshooting problems but my idle has been bothering me every now and then. I'll check it out!
༺Nate Higgers༻ love your name by the way 👍🏻🤣
@༺Nate Higgers༻ yeah mines like that too at first. But after it warms up and im at a stop light thats when you see the high idle
"We place the filter away from the exhaust manifold to get cooler air!" *installs heat-soaking metal intake tube next to exhaust manifold...
The flowing air keeps the metal cool
@@bradlfsh and heats up the air removing the point of the fuckin intake baker
Good thing my car has an intercooler to cool my 'hot air intake' lol
@@bradlfsh Sure... want to know how the air cools down the hot metal? By soaking up that heat... which makes the air... HOT. It is thermal dynamics 101.
This video is 100% BS. The stock engine was getting enough cool air, even per Donut's admission. They then put in a metal tube to absorb heat. Also, that metal tube _will not_ add 6hp to the wheel in real world applications. All aftermarket air intake companies use tainted tests to show these improvements. What the air intake _will_ do is 1) make your intake sound louder and 3) make it look like you worked on your car and 3) make your wallet lighter. That is all.
Great video with all the details on cold air intake. Cool sound!! The only downside is that K&N filters ( although help in performance ), let in tons of particles in your engine. I've had K&N filters on different cars and every time the box behind or after the filter would be a lot dirtier than stock filter.
what impact does it have on the longevity of the car and motor?
@@NineDiamont Not sure if enough owners keep their car long enough after the CAI, AND to have gathered that data centrally somewhere, for folks to document the difference.
That said, just run a thought-experiment (like Einstein often does):
Increased dust particles coating the backside of all your intake valves --> which will 'rub' into the valve stem seal when the intake valves close, abasing against the intake valve stem seals...
Increased dust particles entering the combustion chamber, some of them coat onto the cylinder walls --> which the piston rings will scrub against in the compression stroke.
During the combustion/expansion stroke, oil (on the cylinder wall) getting scrapped down into oil pan, will 'wash' some of that particle into the oil pan, which will reach the oil filter later. --> Depending on particle size, some will get trapped by oil filter, some will make it through the filter and keep circulating in the oil.
The [small] ones that keep circulating in the oil, depending on the relationship between their particle size vs the parts-tolerance (that's suppose to allow a very thin layer of oil between moving parts), might or might-not contribute to additional wear. (I am not familiar with that designed-in tolerance, so unable to comment on that particular area.)
I'm going to GUESS (and this is really just a guess):
For folks that don't plan on keeping the car another 100K miles after the CAI, probably won't notice the longevity difference.
But for folks that plan on driving their car well into 300K miles or more, the additional pass-through dirt/particles is probably not good idea.
Personally, my thinking is: if a smaller-engine car can take a "stock" airbox designed for a larger-engine car, that's probably the best of both worlds - larger filtration cross section area, less flow-restriction, and still a reliable OEM filtrate.
BUT, that won't come with the intake sound. And also, most small engine bays will have problem trying to fit the larger airbox...
That's the direction I'm looking into at this point for my car. Already, a changed muffler made the sound better, but it becomes annoying on 6+ hour drives on the interstate - I imagine a CAI will be like that. So I'm looking for better intake air flow, but not a more pronounced sound.
Scotty kilmer has left the chat
Lmfao
Not enough spraying WD-40 all over everything for Scotty to stick around.
@@The_Fat_Turtle Not enough clickbait or grunting either.
Scotty Kilmer is secretly god
@@invincibleunderthesun8545 Indeed, he is Epimetheus.
Nothing like a hot air intake to improve performance...
Alot of people don't even know about them
Yeah lol sucking in all the thin hot air from the engine bay hahaha imo its mostly for sound and aesthetics
There’s actually a fiberglass shroud you can buy for that ram intake that essentially closes off the filter from the engine bay.
This was just a stupid video about a guy putting an intake into his car for no reason; they didn’t even answer the question posed in the title.
notgonnapay Thats not a ram, I don’t care how many people advertise it as one. Everybody needs a healthy hood scoop into the intake.
@@notgonnapay He did though, literally in the first fifteen seconds he went over the pros and cons of installing an aftermarket intake.
7:26 Anybody else think he straight up shot his engine bay?
I thought he damaged the battery or something
gunshot_greenscreen.mp4
No, I did not think he shot his engine bay with an impact driver?!?
KoenigsSchwert 24 the battery is in the trunk in a miata
1:13 spits up my morning cheerios laughing - thank you - now spending eight minutes cleaning my computer screen but it's all worth it for laughs!!!
Is there an exhaust vid coming up because at 6:19 there's a Magnaflow box
You bet its coming! Well spotted
Good eye!
Nice Spot!
LOL! Beat me to it!
I was assuming that exhaust will be next because that's just what you do after intake mods, right?
One again I didn’t really consider myself a fully car enthusiast cause I didn’t know about mechanics but this is helping me a lot!!
kinda mad I can't binge-watch this I love seeing these every Wednesday.
bought a 2004 Jetta recently and it seems the air-filter wasn't changed in a good number of years. The revs would dip a lot, and the car would often stall. Temporarily took a cone air intake from my brother's car (needs a lot of time, money and repairs). Works and sounds great, but it does seem sluggish is the mid-rpm range. Will probably restore the OEM intake system after getting a new air-filter.
Great video! I have a few points to make though.
1. You could also mention the option of an aftermarket panel filter to be used in the original airbox. It's a good and really easy mod to do, and has the same lifetime use as other aftermarket air filters.
2. Another con of a short ram / cold air intake is if you live in very cold climates condensation could freeze your intake and make your car run badly or not even at all of you're unlucky. This is where keeping the original airbox is a better idea.
I live in Minnesota, have had intakes for 20 years. Never an issue with condensation freezing lol
@@MJCExperience maybe because the engine heats up?
@@MJCExperience Just because it didn't happen to YOU, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all.
Old-school pilots know that intake freezing (carburettor ice) is very common and DANGEROUS.
@@SlikLizrd That's an entirely different animal. clouds are literally made of water, cars don't end up in clouds ever, unless it's incredibly foggy, which isn't usually the case if it's below freezing because said water vapor freezes and falls.
@@JacopoSkydweller Pilots know that Carburettor Ice can form on a clear day -- clouds not necssary.
Not a problem these days, with modern fuel injection.
I have never experienced carburettor ice in an automobile engine -- but PLEASE don't tell me it can't happen -- unless you can PROVE it. 😁
If you want performance in exchange for long engine life go for an open intake with no filter, just like drag racers. They rebuild engines all the time. If you want to get the most miles out of your truck or car stay with the factory-recommended filters and oils! There is a trade-off when it comes to power vs reliability! Don't fall for all that great marketing.
That’s literally not true. Having an open intake with no filtration will decrease power output due to the engine sucking in dust and dirt which are not good for combustion
Then why do people with Very High mileage so a CAI insert when they feel the engine has gone through too much? Usually people will say it will extend life especially when adding a better exhaust?
Did everyone miss the clean af kickflip at 4:10??
Damn this dude is so cool
I saw it to but didn’t see many people talking about it 😔
I love how they don’t talk about tuning after you get the intake installed. Anything that changes the airflow of the car you will have to get it tuned people!!
Just out of curiosity why? Because the intake sensors are able to pick up on the airflow coming in and then they'll modify the fuel injection etc.
oxygen sensors
All you need to do is disconnect your battery and then reconnect, it will reset your sensor and will recalculate and no need for a tune.
“If anyone need this filter...” proceeds to throw it at the cat in the window😂🙂🤣
I hydrolock my Integra years ago via cold air intake. Bent 1 rod, simple rebuild and was good!
Does it hydro lock any small engine 1100 cc
In my experience, the stock box nowadays are the best. Aftermarket ones just looks & sounds cooler but brings in hot air with poor airflow.
use a cold air intake it sits in the bumper
Short "hot air" intake hahahahaha
You think if it’s in front of the radiator it is good?
Absolutely. Stock air box has a snorkel that pulls cold air from the bottom, and a big plastic case that shields hot air from the engine. Perfect system. Amazing how everyone wants to remove it. Paper filters work way better than mesh too.
Get a K&N my man
Hey, before anyone installs their aftermarket k&n air filter, wait a day after spraying down the filter to let it dry. If you just start using it immediately it can cause contaminates to stick to the filter and require faster cleaning, and the oil could be sucked into the engine
I can just imagine how inconvenient it is when you drive through a kiddie pool and your engine gets hydrolocked
literally happened to me and I bent a rod
Red Falcon ice box intake is the way to go. Better than your hot I mean cold air intake
Maybe the comment section can convince him to Snorkel his Miata.
Love your videos, they're some of my favorite anywhere. I thought I'd chip in however that air intakes don't improve fuel economy by reducing restriction. Consider that the throttle plate is literally a restrictor to control the air going in. If your filter is a little less restrictive, you end to with the throttle slightly more closed in the same driving conditions, making exactly the same restriction.
I used a bluetooth OBD2 scanner to get a intake temperature reading before and after my SRI install. After and hour of driving the temperature difference was minimal, especially while your moving.
At the end of the day someone who is installing an intake is probably just getting into the car game and has limited funds, knowledge, and tools. Give them a break and encourage/help them out.
@R Cruz and my hygrometer. I'm putting the video together for my car channel. #washyourhands
I've logged both a snorkle delete on the factory intake and a Cobb intake. Drove around town and the IATs skyrocketed on the Cobb where the stock would raise maybe 5*. There was no power difference either. This was on my WRX.
@@847MicRoss I prefer the K&N because it's not a disposable filter. It's a "disposable versus sustainable" thing for me...
I like how you called it “ Money Pit”. Exactly what every car is.
“do you hear that, me neither” says all car enthusiasts ever
I read this right as he said it
Episode idea for you, garage and tools - what basic tools a car enthusiast needs and how to set up and equip once garage. Great show keep going strong!
You should do a “how to fill up your own gas tank” for people in Oregon
I was going to move to an area near Bend, Oregon but l decided against it once l discovered you can't pump your own gas there.
@@wvusmc that’s the whole reason? I was against it in the beginning too but now I like it as long as the gas station isn’t busy
@@BlackD69 when I filled up my rental car before I went to the airport the gas station attendant disappeared for some time before he returned with my credit card. When l got home and tried to use my card it was denied. Dude stole my credit card info and made a bunch of online purchases so that sort of did it for me. It's not really the reason but that's my excuse. I still visit that area once a year, though. I just pay with cash.
New Jersey has the same law. I live in a college town where there's a bunch of students from NJ and I've had to show someone a couple of times how to use the pumps. Weird law.
@@wvusmc jeez! That’s a much better reason!
We were driving from British Columbia to California years ago,we were just over the border in northern Cali and were getting gas. In the span of five minutes,I saw three drivers with Oregon plates not know how to pump fuel,they were all older people and one didn’t even know where the gas went in the car,I couldn’t believe it. Oregon isn’t that big,have they never left the state?
I’m gonna need you to dyno that intake and prove those 6 hp gains lol
plenty of proof watch some other videos
C Ney it will still have better flow= more power
@@cney2125 intake for my car is dyno proven to add 8-12 hp dyno after dyno after dyno.
C Ney I’d have agree and disagree with you. While the car is sitting at the light the air intake temperature does get pretty hot. But once the car is moving the temperature cools back down. Idk about that tiny looking engine compartment but I know that the case in my car.
@@tempo5555 care to link to just one? That way when the BS is found, we are looking at the same video.
I love the zoom-in on knocking the box over at 4:46 and the "shooting" the bolt off.
As for intakes, it really depends on the vehicle and the kit, and there's plenty of room for aftermarket stuff to do more harm than good.
My car is a 96 Camaro with a 3800 V6, and according to some online forums, the earlier year intakes like mine have somewhat restrictive air boxes, but the newer ones (I think 98+) are better. So I took all that out and put a double-coned air filter right onto the intake manifold, no tubing or adapters or anything. I'm not getting any of the air box resonance stuff, but I get some performance with weight reduction, if nothing else.
Honestly I just like how it looks. Not really going to do much for my 1.8liter. But it's more pleasing. And its reusable!
0:50 .. Do Miatas have speakers in their head rests...?! And why am I just now figuring this out..?! If not they should..
They have speakers there so you can hear the music when the top is down.
The M-Edition did, the base model didn't.
@@ads1035 my Australian delivered '92 base model does? 🤔
go check?
They still have these in the current model.
Nice to have for a surround feeling.
5:14 my type of woman
You have sex with your car's airbox? Hey, whatever makes you happy, son.
@@csn6234 Well it is warm 😉
I was looking for the comment😂
Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!
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Depends on vehicle. My 2017 4runner was down right asmatic. Installed the S and B cold air box and it sounds fantastic. The old induction sound was a strange whine, now it sings at semi heavy acceleration. At regular speeds barely noticeable. Mash that pedal and wow. I'm sold.
The factory setup is designed to suck cold air from the fender or in front of the radiator. When you add a “cold air intake” it sucks hot air from under the hood. It’s hard to outsmart factory engineers.
Right I believe these are call short ran air. When I was looking I got one that runs into my side finder so call the cold air.
At last! The right answer!
It's not hard because most r restrictive vs aftermarket.
You know car engineers have more to worry about than just performance like how to design a car that's actually more difficult to work on than is needed, optimizing for emissions, and you can't forget they have to make sure no two cars they design takes the same parts as any other car maker or even sharing parts between the different sub models of their own cars cause money makes the world go round
Imo not unless you have a hood scope that’s feeding fresh air directly into the filter....sealed walls helps but they still get warm and heat decreases hp. Some hood scoop, walls around filter and that’s the best way period.
You have the front grille to feed in air. 99.99% of cars use this
@@comedyman112 yes and that air passes through the radiator first 😂. 200f is not really fresh air.
@@comedyman112 almost all ars i've seen take air from the inside of front fenders
I've tested the stock system and a Short Ram Intake with a BlueTooth Obd2 scanner. There temperature difference in my car after an hour of driving was only 8*. That difference also disappeared once the car was moving.
Ram air is the way to go
Eventually for the Miata: "LS3 Swaps? Are they worth it?"
no ls3 detrot mopare v8 is good
Hell no, not when there's the 6.2 hemi with close to 800 hp
@LTS_FOREVER _ lol that's silly.. l never seen anyone do a four or six banger on anything but commuter cars, and are boring compared to hi powerd V8s
@@independent2368 what about 2JZ swaps? Or the people that drop I5s into their volvo 240s?
@@raunomh I wanna drop a ford Triton V10 into my S60
I like the way he mentions the bad things about it such as warranty etc. Good to cover both sides