One thing I forgot to talk about was the image going around showing off what looks to be some sort of badge system. Obviously we'll have to wait and see, but at the moment it feels a lot like the "partner" system. It looks cool, and I'm glad it's there, though it feels like another half-step toward the original concept rather than a full return to it. We'll know soon enough, though!
That'd actually be a smart boss idea and a really smart promotion that wouln't be there just for the sake of. On the other hand, MS dropped clippy a long ago anbd I don't think they want to hear of him ever again
Hard to talk about that when there's so much else to talk about, both in the trailer and also outside of it. It WAS a "'blink and you'll miss it" moment within the trailer, just like the fire bird and water dragon.
what if bobby is the son of Bobbery from ttyd and due to the memory loss thing he forgot about it. and he might be separated from his father so he is on the quest to find him.
Well he kinda is a regular Bob-Omb. There is nothing special about him. Just put another Bob-Omb beside him and you won´t even know which one is Bobby.
I feel like “half-step” was definitely the right word to use in regards to Origami King. I think it boils down to the conflict between the game the creators/developers want to make and have a passion for versus what game the fans want to see. Honestly, I think it also has to do with the genre of traditional jrpgs being mostly incompatible with Nintendo’s design philosophy. Nintendo always wants to be the leaders of innovation and create unique game experiences. The problem? Jrpgs is a relatively stagnant genre when it comes to gameplay experience. Sure, you have differences in combat “styles” between Xenoblade Chronicles, Final Fantasy, Paper Mario, etc., but the general strategy behind the battle mechanics are pretty much all the same. And it’s even more apparent when you look at games from the same series (e.g. FF1 and FF7 is basically the same battle structure with the uniqueness coming from minor things like statuses, elemental types, special moves, etc.) Then why do people love a jrpg series so much if it is relatively stagnant compared to other genres? The only thing that makes sense is that the players fall in love with the characters, the settings, basically what makes the rpg genre so amazing imo. I think that’s why we see the downward spiral of the Paper Mario series. Nintendo/game developers want to make a game with a unique experience, which is great in its own right, but I would say successful RPGs require you to make a unique story and develop a game around it. I would say the original Paper Mario itself exemplifies the RPG genre the best actually. An RPG should be a book. A book that is a page turner from cover to cover. P.S. Well, that was a lot longer than I thought it was going to be haha. Thanks if you read it all, even if it dragged on. 🙂
"the players fall in love with the characters, the settings, basically what makes the rpg genre so amazing imo" Ya know... that's a good point honestly. Even the original Paper Mario nailed those down to a "T" and the story was basically rescue Princess Peach from Bowser but clearly, Peach gets more involved in helping Mario out on his adventure and Peach getting help from the little star Twink is adorable. ;0 And even amongst the generic Toads, you also have Toads with small design quirks that make them stand out. I can always remember Russ T. because of those small quirks (he's a blue Toad with reading glasses, and a dictionary in his hand and he lives in like a makeshift library lol). or Tayce T. the old lady Toad chef. lol. We even had Toads with turbans who look like they come from the Middle East. lmao. I didn't even think about that at the time but that's pretty interesting. Now, there are _only_ generic Toads. There's not even Toadette (she was in Thousand Year Door) But your comment is interesting. I can agree that they're all very similar with *some* differences to set each one apart gameplay wise, but the characters, stories, and settings are what really shine.
I always consider paper mario to be more unique compared to other rpgs. So for they to change an already unique rpg series just didn't make sense to me.
Interesting comment. Never really thought of Nintendo trying to take this series and constantly try to change it up. Especially how the first two games were so similar.
"Okay. You're allowed to use original characters in Paper Mario again... but you're limited to whatever's on your desk right now." -Miyamoto, probably.
Im convinced Miyamoto put people on the spot to come up with a boss design and they only had 10 seconds so they panicked and grabbed the first thing on their work desk.
There's rumor about its name being a thing added in the english version, and that in the original japanese he's just called bob-omb. Can't really confirm it or deny it.
I agree too. Like imagine if the coloured pencil boss was a disgruntled artist and had their own reason for joining the origami king and was actually an original character. The tape could have been a weird mechanic who uses tape to fix everything. It would be so much more intriguing and interesting if they were actual characters instead of just things
The thing about the “thing” bosses is that... well, people still remember Rawkhawk and want him in Smash Bros. No one will ever want Tape in Smash Bros.
In this game's universe, Mario and everyone else are made of paper, right? That means that the confetti is made from the severed body parts of Mario's enemies!
Y'know, I'd be more charmed with the pencils and tape kind of bosses if they were mid-bosses you fought and then you could use them like the special moves in those other two Paper Mario games. Kinda-like older Final Fantasy summons where you fight them to "prove your worth" and then you can summon them in battle. But as end of chapter boss fights? ...Even for me and my love of silly shenanigans, that's just dumb.
Honestly, I'm going to waste so much confetti. I am absolutely going to be that guy who throws out confetti at every conceivable moment, just because I can.
It at least looks like an improvement from what the series has been as of late, but like they're still holding the series hostage from what it should be.
Note to self: Scour every UA-cam comment in existence to verify if my thoughts are original, no matter what, even if I'm not trying to seek attention. It's a law now. Posting something even remotely similar to someone else's comment is now punishable by death.
@@BatteryExhausted OOOh I'm being edgey in a youtube comment, that'll make me a big man. It was an obvious joke I saw, didn't see it in the comments when I watched the video, and over a hundred people clicked my comment instead of wasting time writing it again. Should I continue explaining every single reason for my actions?
@@666slateran666 There's still no confirmation that there will be an actual reason to battle and not avoid battles instead. But I do want this game to be great, and certain things already have me excited.
crystalblade13 yeah I think the exploration and overworld could be better than the original 2 - especially TTYD. All the back tracking and linear environments kinda get boring
@@nolasmor Well, unlike white areas, Mario can't walk over holes, so they could make gathering confetti necessary at which point it depends on how much you can acquire from hitting the environment to know if fighting will be it necessary for atleast that.
Paper Mario was an rpg, with Sticker Star they wanted to remove rpg elements, making it just a shallow shell of a game with a myriad of issues. Now they’re inching slowly closer to an rpg by adding basic necessities... I’m glad but not hopeful
@@SunshowerHeathcliffBeliever It means I'm sick of games being self aware and crazily silly just to make you shocked they would even do that. Basically a roll of tape as a boss is perfect meme bait for this kind of crap. I'm sick of games being self aware jokes towards itself. I just would like a Paper Mario game like the first 3 games. Not a silly adventure time gimmick for a game.
I hate how there seems to be this sentiment with the TTYD/64 Loyalists that Generic designs = Generic personality, everyone's complaining about how generic the partners look, but if the trailer is any indication, these characters will be brimming with personality.
@@trenth.7053 From Nintendo UK site: During your quest to push back Olly's forces, you’ll cross paths with some quirky characters! Give them a hand or ask them for help, and they'll join you for a time, providing some well-needed company on your travels. They may even help out in battle! "For a time"
Based on this trailer I think I’m gonna love this game in the same way I love Super Paper Mario. A different game than I’d ideally want, but a fun time to be had regardless.
remember when the first major boss of the game was a cool, giant papercraft _dragon?_ I like the design of the rubber band golem, but the other two are about as uninspired as you can get.
@@chick-fil-achickensandwich5403 There are origami bosses and "thing" bosses. the origami bosses are mid-bosses which Olivia gains the ability to transform into once they are beaten. the "Thing" bosses are area bosses.
Some thoughts: -The game overall looks like a middle ground between classic Paper Mario and Sticker Star/Color Splash. So they aren’t all the way there to greatness but it’s a good start. Nintendo seems to be learning. -My guess is the partners work as summons in battle. Like instead of Mario attacking he can call a party member to do the attack that turn. -Coins instead of XP is potentially salvageable depending on what you can spend coins on. Note that a lot of RPGs like Dark Souls mix XP and currency into a single thing. We know Mario’s health increases throughout the game. Maybe you need to use money to upgrade Mario, and battles could be the most profitable way to make more money even if you use up some weapon durability during battle. -Personally I think the “thing” bosses are a fun idea, especially since we’ve seen other bosses are in the game too. And I’m more sympathetic to it because the villain of the game is the “Origami King”. So it makes sense his top minions would play with the paper or arts and crafts theme. It would be silly if they were working for Bowser or something. -Also the pathing mechanic for bosses might seem strange at first, but it’s actually necessary. The game’s normal battle system is based around grouping together large numbers of weak enemies for AoE attacks. So bosses that are 1 v 1 fights need something different. -Some other videos and screenshots show that the Origami partner can transform into a giant turtle monster, so maybe she can do some powerful summon moves. -Apparently Bobby has amnesia. That explains why he initially just identified himself as “Bob-omb”, and it implies that we might get some interesting character development for him.
The "Partners as summons" Idea is also was I initially thought, but looking at bobby's attack, it wouldn't make much sense to have it use up Mario's turn. When Bobby attacks in the trailer, he hits one enemy for damage that Mario could have done with a regular attack, so doing that instead of using Mario's turn wouldn't make much sense. Maybe it's a thing where you can call on your partner once per battle, just to add a little bit of damage. I agree that the "Thing" Bosses are a fun idea, as long as: 1. They are creative in their attacks (Like using colored pencils as missiles, or maybe in the tape boss we see the roll of tape leave the dispenser as a final form) 2. They have personality, like you see them trying to thwart Mario as he gets to the boss, like how in one shot we see Mario getting attacked by some colored pencils. Maybe in the region with the tape boss, we see regions blocked off by tape. I also agree that coins could be used as a replacement for XP as long as: 1. There are useful things to spend coins on, like health upgrades or time extensions 2. Battles are the best way to get coins (Looking at you RoShamBo temples)
@@03bgood Well, I think there's a good way to do a "thing" boss and a bad thing. The rubber band man is a "thing" boss, but there is something to his design. He's kind of creepy, the loose rubber bands on his head act as hair almost, and he generally looks like an actual character rather than the thing he represents. But the tape is literally just a roll of tape. Aside from possibly having dialogue, it doesn't feel like a character at all, not even a design. For SMRPG, sure there were bosses like the sword, but even he had eyes and they cleverly used the guard of the sword to look like arms. And even if you think the design is a little uninspired, there are literally dozens of bosses in that game that have a far more interesting design. A roll of tape is literally just a roll of tape, I am having difficulty even calling it a design. The creative ones seem to be the ones who designed the encounter itself, as they had to find ways to allow a roll of tape to attack someone. To be fair, we haven't seen the game in its entirety, but I can't help but feel skeptical since Nintendo decided these were the best bosses to show off the game with. Maybe they are just the first three bosses, but...the first few major bosses of Paper Mario (N64) were the Koopa bros, Tutenkoopa and Tubba Blubba, all very different characters with varied designs. The first 3 of TTYD were Hooktail (whom I've always thought used the Paper aesthetic well without looking out of place), Magnus Von Grapple and Macho Grubba. I don't know, I suppose I simply prefer this style of boss to a roll of tape and a case of color pencils. Like Arlo said, could they not have a guy that uses colored pencils in his attacks? I don't know...
Nostalgia goggle wearing idiots will shit all over it because it's not the eaxt same The Thousand Year Door because those kinds of people always have an allergic reaction to something being different.
Here's an idea that hit me recently, coins could effectively be EXP. Games like dark souls had it to where you collected currency and then used it to "buy" a level. I mostly suspect this looking at Mario's health. We see it vary weildly through the trailers, and in enough small intervals I suspect it dousent come set milestones in the game. The possibility of buying health upgrades might mean getting a coins is rather significant.
I like the way you think but it looks like you’ll be able to get coins from many different sources in this game unlike Dark Souls which was only from combat or certain rare-ish items. DS also had many stats that dramatically changed the combat gameplay and thus forced you to make increasingly difficult and intentional decisions. This made the game much more variable and interesting. If coins in the new Paper Mario have scarcity, the balancing was tightly controlled, and its economy made you make decisions that dramatically change your gameplay, this could be interesting. But the signs and history point to Nintendo wanting to make a spin (no pun) on a shallow idea and continue to make it more accessible, rather than deepen story, challenge, gameplay, and memorable characters.
@@chloro8306Are there that many accessories? The Hp increases so many times that you would need like 25 or 30, depending on how much hp increases per accessory, maybe 5 or 10.
NOLASMOR ANDORESU in some screenshots from the UK Nintendo there is only like 3 “badges” of HP plus and they range from small amount to most likely Large. They go from small on top of the “badge” or “accessories” then so on with the other 2 Hp Plus. It’s in game explain UA-cam.
I've been calling my thoughts about this game "cautiously pessimistic". There are things that look promising and things that look worrying. I'm going in with an open mind, but low expectations. Gonna wait for reviews before buying
3:56 I love how they call them “A Colourful Cast of Characters!” when in total they only include like half of the basic colour spectrum colours and all except Bobby use Yellow as a major part of their design.
It seems like there is no form of exp in this game and a reward for battling is coins. Notice how I said "a reward" instead of "the award". It seems like enemies drop confetti as well. Confetti has a very good use in the game but deplets fastly. Opponents being defeated also seems to be the only way to obtain confetti. If you ask me that seems like a good incentive to battle. In all the gameplay shown I believe Mario doesn't go above 20k coins. This shows it's likely items a very expensive. This could slso be another reason to battle.
First off, we haven’t seen the full ending sequence of battles. A very brief short of it. But it shows four lines, so it’s probably going to mean more rewards.
@@Pokemen396 based on some extra gameplay, (you can find the gameplay at Gamexplain) you can do stuff like fill in holes which will lead you to goodies. (Ex: Filling in a platform allowing Mario to get a ? Block) Of course some holes will just exist to be filled in with confetti just for the sake of being filled.
Unless I'm mistaken, Bobby and Professor Toad's Japanese names are just the Japanese words for "Bob-omb" and "Toad", so I think this was a localization move to appease fans worrying about the lack of original characters. That also explains "Bobby"'s standard enemy design. Bit of a bummer to me. This just doesn't feel like a world that I'll be able to get fully invested in. :(
How the hell does any one get invested in these new Paper Mario games anyways? The mix media art style and the overreliance on things makes the world an incoherent mess. Add the huge emphasis on meta humor and they're basically designed to not be invested or immersed in.
@@julesthief they have different allies with different abilities, pp (which is basically flower points), you get exp from battle and level up to get stronger, and you've got all the other stuff like items, a variety of weapons, turn-based battle system, and a bunch of different enemies to fight and side-quests to do. Basically the only difference in battle is that you can't run away. Other then that, I'd say it's a really good rpg
@Big Butter Building the deep, engaging combat system of the originals has been almost completely replaced, so fans of that original formula feel betrayed because they have nothing to return to. it's like if the next 3d mario game didn't even focus on good platforming. fans would be angry because they go to the 3d mario games for the complexity of the platforming, so if that was changed, it'd be like their favorite series was being killed off in spite of them.
@Big Butter Building and I don't know what makes it OK to act all indignant about it either. arlo has explained this many times before when talking about paper mario, but for some reason sticker star fanboys never seem to listen.
It feels like they're so close towards what we want but they still refuse. Like they're reluctant to take that final step into Paper Mario finally being an amazing franchise.
Have you considered that not everyone wants them to make a thousand year door again and again and that seeing new mechanics and new gameplay could also make paper Mario an amazing franchise.
William Richards but not everyone wants this style of game. They don’t need to make TTYD again and again but you could use that same logic saying they shouldn’t make a sticker star inspired game again and again
@@squill4883 new mechanic or not having only 1 playable character limit thing you can do alot also even if the battle system and overworld are amazing thry still fall Flat in term of story and character(Color Splash is literally Super Mario bro with sticker,Color Splash is bowser being control by something wow sooo original,this game story seem a little more interesting but i cant say for certain because i cant play it right now)
Yeah but they easily could've used a boss that uses a wip out of tape or a boss that uses colored pencils for spears or something. This is just shear laziness and uninspired design. This also is why I don't like what they're doing with paper Mario. It's making arts and crafts villains, which puts Nintendo in a bad light with the people that enjoy arts and crafts. Paper Mario was much more fun at 1000 Year Door and even the first one just called Paper Mario. The last good one was Paper Jam. I never used the stamp feature, however arguably it better fit the aesthetic than fighting a tape and dispenser or colored pencils with their carrying case.
@@Openreality Paper Jam is usually seen as a Mario & Luigi game rather than a Paper Mario game. You almost never hear Arlo talk about it when talking Paper Mario, for example. I haven't played Paper Jam, but my experience with Mario & Luigi is that it never crashed as hard as Paper Mario, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear the game is better than the last few Paper Mario games.
@@spoon7053 At least make it more inspired than a tape dispenser and colored pencils, which if you've noticed WAS THE FUCKING POINT OF WHAT I SAID AGAIN IF YOU MILLENNIALS ACTUALLY READ A COMMENT BEFORE YOU REPLY.
@@OriginalPiMan Perhaps you should play it because it is very much so both and arguably the better of the three paper Mario games since 1000 year door.
Speaking as someone who’ll be entering the series with this game it looks pretty fun and interesting. But I did follow the response to the last two games so I do understand the concerns.
Its like they said: Remember in older paper mario games, we had "things"? Yeah, why? Remember how people hated them? Yes, but why are we talking about them? Well, if they hated them so much, they would love to beat the crap out of them, so I thought to make them bosses! That's…A TERRIFIC IDEA!!!
Yeah, I’ve only played a bit of Super Paper Mario (fun) and Sticker Star (not very fun) and I’m not a huge RPG fan but I’d like to check out the other PMs. Looking at just the public perception of this whole series and as someone who may or may not check this game out, a game in the tradition of the first two would be neat, but it seems there’s been an upward trend since SS and I think this Paper Mario is its own beast now. I respect the criticisms but I think certain precious things like more unique character designs could be let go of, I’m honestly not sure though.
@crazy silly You can throw around all the buzzwords you want, Sticker Star and Color Splash are still fundamentally flawed games in how they approach combat.
Ah yes. I remember when my teacher threw pencil missiles at the students. I'm sort of joking, one of my teachers actually did once throw a pencil at a classmate because he was talking while she was teaching. It was hilarious.
Confetti is gained from battling, The coins seem to be the way to progress through the game, Mario is shown in different screenshot with more max HP and dealing more damage. The fear mainly comes because people think the fighting is like SS/CS but in reality, it's closer to TTYD (The attacking part, not the turning part). Partners are back, the reason the narrator says that some partners can battle is so people don't think that Folded Bowser would be battling (watch me get debunked as soon as I say that) another fear is that the partners are temporary, which is confirmed by the website, but Bobby can be seen in later parts of the game. also, the UK Nintendo shop page for Paper Mario The Origami King states that while Mario cutting streamers/ defeating enemies, Luigi will be looking for keys to The Castle, the way they worded it makes it seem that there will be intermissions with Luigi. Also there aren't only real-life objects as bosses, there is Gooper Blooper, Origami Peach is probably a boss and King Olly is probably the final boss, and Bowser is a powerless ally. Sounds familiar? *Possesed Peach (TTYD) *Final Boss not being Bowser (TTYD/SPM) *Intermissions _maybe_ (TTYD) *Bowser being an ally (SPM)
Faisal Alsubaihen where in the whole wide world is temporary partners listed on the website? Cause I just looked and there’s nothing even listed about party members. Also what’s bad with area exclusive party members? Kingdom hearts does it.
Tbh, I don't think they need to go back to TTYD. I think Nintendo is trying now to mix the past formula with original stuff, which is cool for me. It doesn't need to have HP, BP, FP AND SP to be a Paper Mario game. For me, this series core is the creativity. Of course, I'm very disappointed to see the RPG elements being taken away. But as long as these games try to be RPGs, I am fine
@@mrjohnful The only "original" idea that's worked so for me at all is Super Paper Mario and that's literally basic Mario but with RPG mechanics. Sticker Star and Color Splash fundamentally doesn't understand Mario worldbuilding established by previous games or how RPG mechanics work, there isn't a proper reward system, and the lack of partners and interesting bosses makes for a very monotonous experience. TTYD would be way better than trying to inch closer to it while copying sticker star. Like I've been fine with gimmick games for a long time, I'm one of those guys who likes pretty much all the Kingdom Hearts spinoffs because they actually know how to make good games or at least consistent game design. This team has no idea how to make an RPG and unless we get something solid I'm likely to skip Oragami King based on what we've seen so far. The combat looks like a decent puzzle minigame but if that's literally the only selling point, why am I not playing something like Bug Fables or Rabbids Kingdom that does it better?
They still heavily hinted at them, enough that it was easy to make an argument for them. I saw the menu, didn’t seem like there was any levels are stats to increase by leveling.
I hope so. Coins could also be a decent replacement for EXP if they're used to purchase HP, stat upgrades, accessories, etc. BUT that would need to be carefully balanced, to the point that it feels like a challenge/struggle to get enough coins to purchase all the upgrades per area. Otherwise, if the game just throws coins at you or doesn't give you anything significant to spend them on, the battles and the entire game will feel pointless and tedious. Visually, the game looks fantastic overall but if they screw up the battling/progression system, it won't be a good game.
@@davetheimpaler204 I feel like the confettis are gonna be what you get from battles, I mean what is the easiest way to get confettis ? *By tearing paper to shreds that is.*
I've recently been playing The Thousand Year Door for the first time (Illegally? No, of course not, where would get that idea, I would never), and as I've gone and played through it, I began to understand certain complaints about the later games. The main problem I see is indeed the battling system. The system of getting coins from battle to then buy card to battle with, like Arlo explained, is just plain dumb. I really enjoy the system Thousand Year Door has of gaining XP, and getting to upgrade Mario's abilities by doing battle, not just getting coins. (I'm actually always dead broke in the game, but that's besides the point) If this new game can find a way to make battling unique and worthwhile, then I think the series can finally be at a place where most people can enjoy it. (Except Arlo until partners come back 😂)
The problem is they're going out of their way to not use exp and levels and whatnot even though those have proven for decades to be a super fun way to feel like you're making progress and reward you for fighting. I really wish I could talk to the devs and understand why they're going at it this way.
Honestly, before I got Bug Fables, I was really desperately hoping that The Origami King would be good. It *might* be alright, but I think I'm still gonna wait on reviews before I pick it up. Not feeling the Thing bosses at all, or how hard they're leaning into the crafted world aesthetic. Also, I love Bug Fables so much. It has eased the pain from Sticker Star and Color Splash so very much. I really hope that the devs are able to maybe make a sequel, that would just make me so happy.
Yes, Bug Fables is a MORE than adequate consolation prize. Another silver lining: If Nintendo is leaning so heavily into the paper theme for this series and still seems to be eschewing the RPG elements, there's still a chance they'll bring the Mario & Luigi series to Switch or, even better, a direct follow-up/remake of Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars, or something similar.
Love how honest you are in these videos. GameXplain really makes sure to secure those Nintendo interviews and generalize the fans saying they’re only satisfied with Thousand Year Door when Nintendo has essentially sabotaged these games from being successful or at least revered by fans. EXP is the be all end all in this.
Coins COULD be a decent replacement for EXP if they're used to purchase HP, stat upgrades, accessories, etc. BUT that would need to be carefully balanced, to the point that it feels like a challenge/struggle to get enough coins to purchase all the upgrades per area. Otherwise, if the game just throws coins at you or doesn't give you anything significant to spend them on, the battles and the entire game will feel pointless and tedious.
Dave The Impaler agreed. Hope your write about coins, but I think they’re just gonna be for expendable weapons. They kind of brought badges back at least.
I agree Arlo is not afraid to point constructive criticisms about games rather than cover up and shush. I like TTYD too but I'm very open to Origami king however the last few trailers have me nervous.
@@davetheimpaler204 They'd have to be so particular about the coins if they did it that way. It'd be WAAAAAY to easy to take advantage of that system and just grab coins from all over without having to step foot into battle. Seems like way more of a hassle then making an exp system to accurately scale the levels of enemies/Mario
I stopped watching GameXplain a long time ago because of how sick I got of that behavior. Which is sad, because I used to really like them. But every new video I watched, they felt more and more like shills. And I don't mean they weren't being loud and obnoxious (because it is good to be respectful and diplomatic). I mean it felt like they would refuse to accept any negatives about the games they were talking about, and even going after fans instead. Once they started dismissing fans and generalizing their discontent as "entitlement", I finally had enough. Sounds like it hasn't gotten any better?
realpichu 1 yeah, but that is the problem. They are taking it to its extreme. Especially with the bosses in this game. Why are we fighting Tape, Rubber-bands and a box of Colored pencils when we can be fighting actual characters that use those things instead of them just being living objects.
I think arlo covered that in a previous video. The lead developer lady or whoever she was said that paper mario no longer needed rpg stuff since mario and Luigi bro games had it. Sounded stupid then and looks stupid now
I mean, to be honest, I'm still hoping from the bottom of my heart that if there's not an exp system, AT LEAST there's an upgrade system to up your attack, HP, defence and possibly to unlock items to buy/get to use in battle. It can still be saved even without an exp system, but I don't wanna have expectations towards the game so I'm set up to be dissapointed. Oh, and while I HATE the Thing bosses, there's still hope. The Rubber Band Mummy guy seems super cool and interesting, there's still a boss battle we didn't see fully with Mario driving a giant water or ice dragon thing and we saw Gooper Blooper at one point. I still have hope those are just... A bump in the road.
Use coins to upgrade a shop to sell better items, coins to buy overalls and hats of different arts & crafts products, coins to learn how to jump better or swing harder, coins coins coins.
No EXP gained from the looks of that one battle that shows the end-of-battle results screen. The fact that the trailer cut away from it incredibly fast gives me a lot to be concerned about.
Coins could be a decent replacement for EXP if they're used to purchase HP, stat upgrades, accessories, etc. BUT that would need to be carefully balanced, to the point that it feels like a challenge/struggle to get enough coins to purchase all the upgrades per area. Otherwise, if the game just throws coins at you or doesn't give you anything significant to spend them on, the battles and the entire game will feel pointless and tedious.
@@davetheimpaler204 Correct! It's why EXP is the easy way out. Using currency alone is a much more delicate balance than simply slapping a leveling system and balancing the game around it.
I think they'll balance it well, *but* I saw mario getting 1000 coins from a block as a reward for a puzzle, and it looks like only 200-300 coins for a battle. That rate seems good, if the high coin blocks are rare, but if they're not, I'm doubtful.
That's what I figure might happen, like you buy equips that raise your level manually, like what happened in kingdom hearts 358/2. Not a great idea though honestly.
I just find it funny/awkward that they stopped making tradicional Paper Mario games because they didn't want to "keep doing the same" but now they are literally making the same game over and over again repeating it's flaws along the way.
This is probably the least creative way to take the pencil crayon idea. Imagine a boss made out of melted crayons. Or a child's drawing made with pencil crayons that comes to life. Missed opportunities.
Honestly it's the most disappointing thing in the game so far. It suggests just how creatively bankrupt some parts of the game are. Very unusual for Nintendo to do something so incredibly bland.
I think youre taking this in a non creative way, the whole plot of this game is origami vs paper, and those "things" aka pencils, rubber bands and tape are all used.. on paper? Crayons to draw, rubber bands to roll them up and tape to glue them together, making these guard the streamers make so much sense vs a random character loosely based on those things
omar janabi You know, just because it fits the theme, doesn't make it less lazy or uninspired. With this theme, they could put a blank piece of paper as a boss. Note how the rubber band boss is made of many rubber bands, taking a form? By your stance, it could have just been a single rubber band, with nothing unique about it.
@CraftyMineDan I’m not so sure about that since in Color Splash, your max HP would rise drastically after every boss, sometimes even up by 50. In Origami King, it looks like HP goes up by intervals of 5. So unless there’s a ton amount of bosses in every world, that doesn’t seem like the case
Toad Howard In Sticker Star there were these heart items in the game that would give you +5 HP if you found them. You would be able to max out at 100 HP if you collected them all.
I'm a whole lot less skeptical than I was back when they first revealed this and while I probably might just buy and enjoy this one, i'm really glad bug fables came out when it did because this game alone would've been heartbreaking.
Spin combat seems gimmicky. When I saw that in trailer 1 I was like “ah cool, special scenario!” But nope, that’s the entire game. Tbh I don’t hate this game, but I still have no desire to actually buy it. There are a bunch of great indie games that capture the magic of the originals by telling interesting stories. $60 is a lot and “it’s a slight improvement is not enough.”
This is pretty much exactly what I thought. I'm glad they showed if off now rather than closer to release so I didn't have to spend months being hyped.
@@cosmoniums5990 I don't think it's comparable to Fossil Fighters, that game uses positioning of your team in battle well. This is more like solving a puzzle to maximize your damage.
Awwwww yeeeeaaahhhhh! I’m super excited that partners are back! I’m a little disappointed that they mostly look like generic characters, but at least they do actually have unique personalities! A freaking anime protagonist amnesiac bob-omb named Bobby??
Well paper Mario come out three years before I was born, I get it for free via club Nintendo, I haven't finished it yet but I love it, it's the only one I've played but still... Even though it's the only one I played I not apposed to games like SPM or of course origami king I'm quite excited for it's release of course there's some things like character design, diversity of inhabitants and More New characters I do think it makes up for some of the things I mentioned but I'm not going over why
I’ve only watched Paper Mario and Paper Mario TTYD, I think those games look so good and I had my expectations of them doing something similar for the younger generation like me. Give them an experience that other older players enjoyed. But idk. I’m being very optimistic about the game and I hope things go well for you guys and the older generation.
Then why in the Japanese Trailers he is still refereed to as Bo-bomb? It's pretty obvious they are hiding the fact that they never intended to have real partners.
This game sure is different, and i respect everybody that likes this kind of new approach... But for someone like me (that perhaps it's true that i am clinging to the past because it was just too good).. well for me.. this looks like i won't be enjoying this game as much as i wish i would.
I still say give the game a fair shot. It does looklike their at leadt trying to put more effort into things this time around. For all we know someone higher up is causing problems for the staff behind the game. You know the type of execs who don’t actually make movies or games but think they know better snyway.
Is it truly wrong to long for a past that was Golden? I hate that argument that you're living in the past, what does that even mean? So let's say the next Paper Mario game right after this becomes a first person shooter? Are the Color Splash and Origami King fans living in the past if they complain about that? Living in the past is a cop out argument when someone doesnt want to prove you wrong. The only criteria for you "living in the past" is if the thing you love happened yesterday. And everything that's ever been made has existed in the past so what's the difference between you and Color Splash fans? You both like something that happened in the past and it existed before the present? Stupid argument. And anyone that uses it is stupid for saying it.
Kinda like the Generation 1 pokemon where they power up their Special (special attack and special defense) and forget things and then sweep and tank things.
Nintendo fans: "Back to Thousand Year Door formula?" Nintendo: "turnable battlefields! :)" Nintendo fans: "No, we want Thousand Year Door formula" Nintendo: "Turnable :) battle :) fields :)"
I honestly don't mind the turnable battlefield. Its fine if they want an interesting mechanic for the battles, but there some other elements I'd like to see come back. Proper partners for one. They could have done something creative and strategic with it, maybe give the partners their own circle turns on their own turn. Maybe each partner turns the field slightly differently than the others. Give it some strategic depth and we get partners back. idk why they didn't do something like this.
Yeah I actually like this battle system Although the fact there's no exp worries me because it's the same fatal flaw Sticker Star and Color Splash had.
@@wistfulanthophila9317 64, TTYD and Super were all good. You can't just dismiss fans who dislike the series' new direction as boomers with rose-tinted glasses. I tried to enjoy Sticker Star but it just sucks.
It's so tiring when Nintendo feels that they have to use the generic parts of their IP ad nauseam. Some of the most memorable non-2d Mario games are so special because of the interesting and unique characters/bosses/mechanics.
Remember when they gave us Petey Piranha? Now he's a regular character. Hell, Gooper Blooper is a reoccurring boss, he's IN this trailer! Are we ever going to see the return of pencil case? No.
This trailer confirmed that I'm not missing out on anything by skipping this one. The bosses are the biggest kick in the teeth. What an awful decision.
Dude are you seriously so clouded by rose tinted nostalgia that you can’t even give a game a chance before completely writing it off? (Sorry if I sound abrasive but I’m sick of people who write games off without giving them a chance.)
Cosmoniums Comet I think its perfectly fair to be totally turned off and disappointed by this trailer. People who loved the originals have been totally left to wayside with these new games. The soul of the games has vanished and its become all about stupid paper gimmicks instead of a series of games with characters you can grow attached to. Like Arlo said, this game feels like a bunch of half measures to fix things, and its just not what we want. And the thing final bosses is like a kick in the teeth. What an awful decision and really shows how disconnected they are from fans of the old games.
Cosmoniums Comet And I’m really sick of Nintendo refusing to acknowledge that the first two games exist. This is more a sequel to Color Splash than any other game. Respect your series, Nintendo. Don’t make “sequels” that abandon the prequels in the dust forever.
@@parkerdinhwilliams15 Writing off this game as "Just stupid paper gimmicks" without even giving it a smidgen of a chance to do anything creative with them is abandoning the franchise that you loved. Everything that turned you and many others off this game ("Thing" bosses, and the paper theme) all of those can be done correctly, they just haven't in the past. The paper theme was used as a replacement for a story and the things served as a way to make boss fights uninteresting. But this time is different, the paper theme isn't the story this time around, replace 'folded' with 'brainwashed', and 'ribbons' with 'chains' and the story hardly changes, the same goes for the 'thing' bosses, if you look closely, you see Mario being attacked by the colored pencils in other parts of the chapter, if the bosses are a menacing force and try to impede your progress throughout the chapter then that would be an idea even the originals didn't even do. These characters even have the chance to be even better than TTYD personality-wise, I never grew extremely fond of any partner in TTYD because of the fact that most of them stop being characters once they joined you. Once the partners became part of your party, outside of some chapter-specific dialogue with Gombella, Koops, and Flurrie, they stop being interesting personality-wise, they just stop having dialogue once you're done with their chapter (Outside of some stock story-related lines that all basically say the same thing). Because TTYD allows you to have any partner out at any time, that basically makes it impossible for there to be character-specific story-related dialogue, thus making their character not really have any meaning past their chapter. This is why I like how this game is going to have section-specific partners, it gives us more opportunities to get to know them better. In TTYD, it feels like they were interesting when I first met them, but then they quickly took a backseat to other partners/characters. (Goombella and Vivian are the two exceptions to this, Goombella because she has tattle and her out-of-battle ability, and Vivian because we get to know her far before she joins us) It's a situation where less is more, having less characters means the ones we do have are more interesting and more developed, I don't know about you, but I would much rather get to know 1/2 characters at a time, while having them interact with each other, over 6 characters, each for only a small segment, and the only interaction they have is with the main character that doesn't speak. (I've played all the Paper Mario games, and 64 is one of my favorite games, the reason I don't bring 64 up in this is because TTYD as far better partners character-wise, everything I've said about TTYD applies to all of 64's partners)
I’m definitely in the camp of “I don’t particularly like where this is going,” because I just want more of the old style of N64 and TTYD. But I admit that there are some interesting concepts here-I think this is the kind of game I would be super into if it *weren’t* in the same franchise that spawned TTYD. One thing I want to add to the discussion is that while it’s nice to see damage numbers again, I didn’t actually see any HP counters except for Mario’s and I think a boss health bar. Having some context as to how much damage you’re actually doing with each attack is great, but without context for how much HP enemies have, it might not help much. (You can argue that many JRPG’s don’t show you health bars much either, and that’s true-but with a turn-based action/strategy game like this is being marketed as, I think there needs to be more context to make those damage numbers actually work in their intended way. Also, my guess is that the Shiny boots and such will be consumables that you pay coins to use somehow. It’s not my ideal, but it would essentially be a super-minimalist version of the FP system. More coins = better and stronger attacks, but instead of separate gauges for FP, badges, etc, you’d just use the same currency you use anywhere to buy them on the fly in battle. (Or out of battle at an item shop, like a degrading resource) Again, not ideal in my eyes, but serviceable.
You didnt know the hp of enemies in the old games until you scanned them. If you fight an enemy twice you'll know their general hp value from when you defeated them the first time. Like if you hit a goomba twice and it foes after you do 12 damage twice then you know its health is 13-24
Splooge McDuck I do get that, it’s just that one of the issues I have with that system is that it means you can’t tell for *sure* what an enemy’s HP is in most cases without getting lucky. You just get ranges, which makes a low-damage number system like Paper Mario used to have less tactical and more guess-based. For example, I always liked having tattles on most enemies. I didn’t *need* them, but it helps you optimize your attacks. Especially if the system uses a consumable resource for higher-damage attacks, it would be helpful to know if you’re using overkill without a bunch of guesswork or mental gymnastics. JRPG’s use a similar system to what you’re describing, but if often works well because the specific damage numbers you deal aren’t particularly important-you’re only really worried about damage ranges. Especially when you get to high levels in a game like Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger, and are doing attacks worth 9,000-9,999 damage each, whether you missed 10 points on an RNG roll is largely irrelevant. But knowing a goomba has exactly 10 HP, for example, can help you optimize your battles more when your damage numbers are lower, since you can plan for exactly how much damage you need to do more easily. By extension of the system in Color Splash, you could tell that a jump with full paint would instantly kill X enemy, but it’s all just guesswork unless you really grind out data for yourself. Adding damage numbers helps that immensely (and puts in more in the camp of classic JRPG battle damage systems), but still leaves a lot of guesswork that could be avoided with a rattle system. (Which may even be in the game and we just don’t know it.)
The bosses in this game are a hit or miss for people, personally I think there cool but as Arlo said they could been better like: -The pencil boss could be a commander with his right hand being a pencil machin gun that could shoot the pencils pointy heads as for his left hand it could be the pencil box itself acting as a shield I think that will be better suited. -Duck tape: it's could've been a plastic spider with the tape itself being his abdoment and we could see the tape rolling while he attacks with it and the sharp tip of the duck tape being his fangs (I don't remember there name.sorry) What do you think guys, are those some good ideas. If you have any suggestion please leave it in the comments. And thank you for spending your precious time reading this. Have a nice day/night.
Honestly I didn’t buy it until this new trailer suddenly randomly had Gooper Blooper from Sunshine. Petey Piranha has been a fan-favorite for years, but as far as I know, Gooper hasn’t really been in anything past Sunshine. For that reason alone, I think it’s happening. He’s just such a random character to slip into this trailer for seemingly no reason.
I still don't know how should I feel about this game. The combat system could be fun if it's well balanced, but if the last 2 times it wasn't well balanced I don't have any reason to trust that it will be fixed this time.
One thing I forgot to talk about was the image going around showing off what looks to be some sort of badge system. Obviously we'll have to wait and see, but at the moment it feels a lot like the "partner" system. It looks cool, and I'm glad it's there, though it feels like another half-step toward the original concept rather than a full return to it. We'll know soon enough, though!
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All this time, the Paper Mario series has just been a prequel to Microsoft Office; and the true villain behind it all, Clippy.
Well, Microsoft and Nintendo are being Buddy, Buddy these days...
You mean Clippit?
That'd actually be a smart boss idea and a really smart promotion that wouln't be there just for the sake of. On the other hand, MS dropped clippy a long ago anbd I don't think they want to hear of him ever again
Bonzai Buddy is an interference. He works for himself and also wants to kill Mario.
That would be so coooooooool
Is NO ONE else going to talk about the fact that there's a game show and its called "Shy Guys finish last"? That's clearly the best part.
Lmao, seems like the writing’s still great.
They took Snifit or Whifit from us. Justice for Whifit!!!!
the gameshow segments are always highlights in Paper Mario so hopefully this one will not dissapoint.
Hard to talk about that when there's so much else to talk about, both in the trailer and also outside of it. It WAS a "'blink and you'll miss it" moment within the trailer, just like the fire bird and water dragon.
I think it was a round of the game show, and that the Shy Guys finished last.
The reason Bobby refers to himself as Bob-Omb is that he lost his memory, and thus, he thinks he’s a regular Bob-Omb, which, in a way, is kinda meta
Kinda wish he was just named "Bob-omb?" till he got his memory back and we actually discovered his name
Its a bit less meta and more 4th wall breaking
I think that's a good way to look at it maria!
He also used the phrase "thinky thinky panic" as a reference to doki doki panic where bobombs first appeared. GameXplain showed me that.
what if bobby is the son of Bobbery from ttyd and due to the memory loss thing he forgot about it. and he might be separated from his father so he is on the quest to find him.
Well he kinda is a regular Bob-Omb. There is nothing special about him. Just put another Bob-Omb beside him and you won´t even know which one is Bobby.
Friend - “who is your favourite video game character?”
Me - “Tape”
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You stole this from the trailer. Make something original.
This was already written from someone else?????
Well great minds think alike I guess
@@jackjensensplaythroughsrev49 So what? That's the least thing in the world you should be bothered about.
I think rubber band is cool
I feel like “half-step” was definitely the right word to use in regards to Origami King. I think it boils down to the conflict between the game the creators/developers want to make and have a passion for versus what game the fans want to see. Honestly, I think it also has to do with the genre of traditional jrpgs being mostly incompatible with Nintendo’s design philosophy. Nintendo always wants to be the leaders of innovation and create unique game experiences. The problem? Jrpgs is a relatively stagnant genre when it comes to gameplay experience. Sure, you have differences in combat “styles” between Xenoblade Chronicles, Final Fantasy, Paper Mario, etc., but the general strategy behind the battle mechanics are pretty much all the same. And it’s even more apparent when you look at games from the same series (e.g. FF1 and FF7 is basically the same battle structure with the uniqueness coming from minor things like statuses, elemental types, special moves, etc.) Then why do people love a jrpg series so much if it is relatively stagnant compared to other genres? The only thing that makes sense is that the players fall in love with the characters, the settings, basically what makes the rpg genre so amazing imo. I think that’s why we see the downward spiral of the Paper Mario series. Nintendo/game developers want to make a game with a unique experience, which is great in its own right, but I would say successful RPGs require you to make a unique story and develop a game around it. I would say the original Paper Mario itself exemplifies the RPG genre the best actually. An RPG should be a book. A book that is a page turner from cover to cover. P.S. Well, that was a lot longer than I thought it was going to be haha. Thanks if you read it all, even if it dragged on. 🙂
"the players fall in love with the characters, the settings, basically what makes the rpg genre so amazing imo"
Ya know... that's a good point honestly. Even the original Paper Mario nailed those down to a "T" and the story was basically rescue Princess Peach from Bowser but clearly, Peach gets more involved in helping Mario out on his adventure and Peach getting help from the little star Twink is adorable. ;0 And even amongst the generic Toads, you also have Toads with small design quirks that make them stand out. I can always remember Russ T. because of those small quirks (he's a blue Toad with reading glasses, and a dictionary in his hand and he lives in like a makeshift library lol). or Tayce T. the old lady Toad chef. lol. We even had Toads with turbans who look like they come from the Middle East. lmao. I didn't even think about that at the time but that's pretty interesting. Now, there are _only_ generic Toads. There's not even Toadette (she was in Thousand Year Door)
But your comment is interesting. I can agree that they're all very similar with *some* differences to set each one apart gameplay wise, but the characters, stories, and settings are what really shine.
I always consider paper mario to be more unique compared to other rpgs. So for they to change an already unique rpg series just didn't make sense to me.
You're not wrong!
Speaking of Xenoblade I’m getting worried Arlo is going to skip it when it has pretty much everything he begs for in a Nintendo game
Interesting comment. Never really thought of Nintendo trying to take this series and constantly try to change it up. Especially how the first two games were so similar.
"Okay. You're allowed to use original characters in Paper Mario again... but you're limited to whatever's on your desk right now."
-Miyamoto, probably.
Luckily someone had a man made of rubber bands on their desk for just such an occasion so at least one of the designs is sorta interesting.
@@abiwonkenabi7027 Eh they named it Rubber Band. Still a half step
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@@DTheAustralian Guykillingpapermario Man Bad
Im convinced Miyamoto put people on the spot to come up with a boss design and they only had 10 seconds so they panicked and grabbed the first thing on their work desk.
He doesn't call himself Bobby because he has amnesia, as seen in the trailer.
I think its amnosia, its like amnesia but not medically recognised
i thought he had thinky thinky panic?
@@BagelBoi4000 It's amnesia, he just doesn't remember what it's called.
Actually he has Thinky-Thinky Panic.
@@BagelBoi4000 is that a callmekevin reference????
Cut Bobby some slack, he doesn’t know his name because he has Thinky Thinky Panic
OH HO!That one Doki Doki Panic reference
I'm already happy knowing the writing is gonna be lust like Color Splash's, maybe even better
There's rumor about its name being a thing added in the english version, and that in the original japanese he's just called bob-omb.
Can't really confirm it or deny it.
God dang it Bobby
I think you meant to say Amnesty?
I agree that bosses that use those ‘things’ instead of just the ‘things’ themselves probably would’ve been better, at least in my opinion
hell, if they just had given the things eyes i would accept them a little more
Remember the first game, where the Shy Guys had a tank? Imagine that, but with Things for weapons. THAT would be cool.
I agree too. Like imagine if the coloured pencil boss was a disgruntled artist and had their own reason for joining the origami king and was actually an original character. The tape could have been a weird mechanic who uses tape to fix everything. It would be so much more intriguing and interesting if they were actual characters instead of just things
None of you noticed the dragon and turtle boss fights that appear for a second in the trailer
@@Ash-Vod Imagine googly-eyed bosses...
The thing about the “thing” bosses is that... well, people still remember Rawkhawk and want him in Smash Bros. No one will ever want Tape in Smash Bros.
I would, especially since he seems better than mr gaming watch.
@@cosmoniums5990 A character who doesnt speak still has more character than fkn tape
Pokemen396 yeah cause wall e is awesome
@@cosmoniums5990 I rather have tape then another fire emblem character
Tape 4 Smash
In this game's universe, Mario and everyone else are made of paper, right? That means that the confetti is made from the severed body parts of Mario's enemies!
Oh god
i thought so too! imagine this bag will go up each time you end a battle
w o w !
@@davidwharton8923 very possible but god is this morbid lol
If everything was make of paper then the confetti could be the dirt or plants or trees.
Sony: reveals next gen console
Nintendo: B O B B Y
Dang it Bobby!
Gage Piercy that boy ain’t right
More like
Nintendo: TAPE
You just stole this comment from the trailer. Why not make something original?
Fierce 90 Coming Back In May! I made the comment in the original trailer
Y'know, I'd be more charmed with the pencils and tape kind of bosses if they were mid-bosses you fought and then you could use them like the special moves in those other two Paper Mario games. Kinda-like older Final Fantasy summons where you fight them to "prove your worth" and then you can summon them in battle.
But as end of chapter boss fights? ...Even for me and my love of silly shenanigans, that's just dumb.
Ok that is a cool idea. Maybe they showcased them as a misdirect this is Nintendo.
I'd prefer they didnt exist at all. Very extreme I know, but it's the truth.
Ironically that’s how every other boss that we see works. You you defeat them and then Olivia can turn into them.
it was shown that you can use the gigantic turtle you go against in battle. It looked like a summon to me.
you know just let dimentio return and that's it you already made a good paper mario game
“You can find hidden toads!’
Arlo: *korok flashbacks*
I still havent found all of them
also can you guys help me grow out my channel? It would mean a lot
@@PranManPlays 100% dude ill sub
PranManPlays I am now a sub
No, no, worse....
*Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam flashbacks*
YAHAHA
Honestly, the only thing I'm hoping for is a sequel to *_Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass_*
I've been wanting to play that game ever since I played TTYD
I wanna save the waffle princess too!
smh Super Paper Wario Land is better in every conceivable way
YOU!
Bruh..id play that but luigis books? Mastah pieces
Where do you get confetti? Simple. Mario's joyfully sprinkling the remains of his slain enemies
Wait is this the incentive for battling? 🤔
@@richardm8155 Get confetti to fill holes to get more coins... to use in battle
Honestly, I'm going to waste so much confetti. I am absolutely going to be that guy who throws out confetti at every conceivable moment, just because I can.
Oh god...
@@TheGeladoo I meeean isn't EXP gained so you can be stronger ..... in battle? Idk but that's pretty much game design.
It at least looks like an improvement from what the series has been as of late, but like they're still holding the series hostage from what it should be.
Nintendo: Oh we'll give you a "turn" based battle system alright.
Sooo many people have told this joke INCLUDING ARLO
Way to have an original thought. That desperate to get a UA-cam comment noticed? Weak.
Note to self: Scour every UA-cam comment in existence to verify if my thoughts are original, no matter what, even if I'm not trying to seek attention. It's a law now. Posting something even remotely similar to someone else's comment is now punishable by death.
@@BatteryExhausted OOOh I'm being edgey in a youtube comment, that'll make me a big man.
It was an obvious joke I saw, didn't see it in the comments when I watched the video, and over a hundred people clicked my comment instead of wasting time writing it again.
Should I continue explaining every single reason for my actions?
"At least it's an improvement" sums up everything about this game so far.
Yes indeed. It's an improvement over the first two games.
@crystalblade13 agree, dont get why people are acting so skeptical
@@666slateran666 There's still no confirmation that there will be an actual reason to battle and not avoid battles instead. But I do want this game to be great, and certain things already have me excited.
That’s what we said about color splash. Oh boy...
crystalblade13 yeah I think the exploration and overworld could be better than the original 2 - especially TTYD. All the back tracking and linear environments kinda get boring
"Where does he get the confetti?"
Clearly from the shredded up remains of his paper enemies.
From splashing the blood of his enemies to color things to literally tossing their remains to fill holes, Paper Mario is hardcore.
Or maybe from the coins. If you can get confetti from coins, that will be a amazing reason to battle.
Still, not very important, unless the game forces you to repair the world
@@nolasmor Well, unlike white areas, Mario can't walk over holes, so they could make gathering confetti necessary at which point it depends on how much you can acquire from hitting the environment to know if fighting will be it necessary for atleast that.
@@splitsee2526 We saw Mario insta kill a pokey in a trailer and the pokey dropped confetti which followed Paper Mario.
2:15 He has amnesia, so maybe he doesn't remember his name and that's why he says he's Bob-omb?
Oh yeah! It does say that
Dang it bobby
No. he has Amnesty.
He doesn’t have amnesia, he has “ Thinky Thinky Panic.”
the dungeon scrawler WRONG! It’s Thinky Thinky Panic
Paper Mario was an rpg, with Sticker Star they wanted to remove rpg elements, making it just a shallow shell of a game with a myriad of issues. Now they’re inching slowly closer to an rpg by adding basic necessities... I’m glad but not hopeful
Basic, but not EXP still.
@@YujiUedaFan I come from the future, got bad news for ya'll...
Jinu Chang further proving my point
Arlo sounds like he's in the acceptance phase of losing someone.
Nick LeBrun It’s a funeral for an old friend who once had good games
Honestly “Tape” makes me laugh my ass off every time I see it.
“Tape.”
That boss looks like a joke, and I'm amazed that such a silly idea actually made it into the game
So another meme? Greeeeeeaaat I'm so excited......ugh.
Stormcutter 59 what exactly’s this even supposed to mean
@@SunshowerHeathcliffBeliever It means I'm sick of games being self aware and crazily silly just to make you shocked they would even do that. Basically a roll of tape as a boss is perfect meme bait for this kind of crap. I'm sick of games being self aware jokes towards itself. I just would like a Paper Mario game like the first 3 games. Not a silly adventure time gimmick for a game.
Dang it, Bobby. That Bob-omb ain’t right.
its a sad state of affairs where “you can do basic attacks!” is a selling point
It’s not. People are
Framing it that way, but the trailer doesn’t mention this once.
BMX!!! i didn’t mean nintendo is literally using that as a selling point, it’s just an expression
Ryan B
That isn’t really the selling point
The boss battles look like those maze things you did on the back of the ceral box
I think you just predicted the final boss.
It reminds me Mario Party
Oh my god they do!
"I'm not a fan of the thing thing" - Arlo 2020
Still seems like someone is sitting behind the character designers with a shotgun in case they DARE to make a design with any originality.
Sounds like person with shotgun is miyamoto...
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The Ninja town has species like Goombas and Koopa designers different. There’s your OC you weenie
I hate how there seems to be this sentiment with the TTYD/64 Loyalists that Generic designs = Generic personality, everyone's complaining about how generic the partners look, but if the trailer is any indication, these characters will be brimming with personality.
Benjamin Marson But why have generically designed characters with great writing, when you could have both great design and writing?
The site confirms that partners will only join you "for a time" unfortunately
Tf where???
Source?
@@huwuin nintendo.co.uk, look up Origami King -> Story. Look for the text 'Along for the ride'
@@trenth.7053 oi
@@trenth.7053 From Nintendo UK site:
During your quest to push back Olly's forces, you’ll cross paths with some quirky characters! Give them a hand or ask them for help, and they'll join you for a time, providing some well-needed company on your travels. They may even help out in battle!
"For a time"
Based on this trailer I think I’m gonna love this game in the same way I love Super Paper Mario. A different game than I’d ideally want, but a fun time to be had regardless.
i wish. i honestly am way too done with nintendos (or rather miyamotos) shit regarding paper mario at this point.
DatVocals! Well miyamoto isn’t the one directly responsible it’s Tanabe
Would that make Paper Mario 'Nintendo can't stick to a single formula for a Paper Mario Trilogy'
In a "Valve can't count to 3" way?
remember when the first major boss of the game was a cool, giant papercraft _dragon?_
I like the design of the rubber band golem, but the other two are about as uninspired as you can get.
You mean hooktail? Firsr of ttyd but 64 it was koopa bros
Well in the trailer there was a boss that consisted of a fire and ice dragon
A game where a box of colored pencils is a boss you fight is original as fuck, what are u talking about
And it looked like there was going to be a big blooper guy boss
@@chick-fil-achickensandwich5403 There are origami bosses and "thing" bosses. the origami bosses are mid-bosses which Olivia gains the ability to transform into once they are beaten. the "Thing" bosses are area bosses.
Some thoughts:
-The game overall looks like a middle ground between classic Paper Mario and Sticker Star/Color Splash. So they aren’t all the way there to greatness but it’s a good start. Nintendo seems to be learning.
-My guess is the partners work as summons in battle. Like instead of Mario attacking he can call a party member to do the attack that turn.
-Coins instead of XP is potentially salvageable depending on what you can spend coins on. Note that a lot of RPGs like Dark Souls mix XP and currency into a single thing. We know Mario’s health increases throughout the game. Maybe you need to use money to upgrade Mario, and battles could be the most profitable way to make more money even if you use up some weapon durability during battle.
-Personally I think the “thing” bosses are a fun idea, especially since we’ve seen other bosses are in the game too. And I’m more sympathetic to it because the villain of the game is the “Origami King”. So it makes sense his top minions would play with the paper or arts and crafts theme. It would be silly if they were working for Bowser or something.
-Also the pathing mechanic for bosses might seem strange at first, but it’s actually necessary. The game’s normal battle system is based around grouping together large numbers of weak enemies for AoE attacks. So bosses that are 1 v 1 fights need something different.
-Some other videos and screenshots show that the Origami partner can transform into a giant turtle monster, so maybe she can do some powerful summon moves.
-Apparently Bobby has amnesia. That explains why he initially just identified himself as “Bob-omb”, and it implies that we might get some interesting character development for him.
Remember, SMRPG had weapons as bosses and everyone was fine with that.
Yah but origami king just leans on the paper aesthetic to carry it instead of having actual cool and clever bosses
The "Partners as summons" Idea is also was I initially thought, but looking at bobby's attack, it wouldn't make much sense to have it use up Mario's turn. When Bobby attacks in the trailer, he hits one enemy for damage that Mario could have done with a regular attack, so doing that instead of using Mario's turn wouldn't make much sense. Maybe it's a thing where you can call on your partner once per battle, just to add a little bit of damage.
I agree that the "Thing" Bosses are a fun idea, as long as:
1. They are creative in their attacks (Like using colored pencils as missiles, or maybe in the tape boss we see the roll of tape leave the dispenser as a final form)
2. They have personality, like you see them trying to thwart Mario as he gets to the boss, like how in one shot we see Mario getting attacked by some colored pencils. Maybe in the region with the tape boss, we see regions blocked off by tape.
I also agree that coins could be used as a replacement for XP as long as:
1. There are useful things to spend coins on, like health upgrades or time extensions
2. Battles are the best way to get coins (Looking at you RoShamBo temples)
I think that the summons are going to be extra attacks added on to Mario after you gain their friendship
@@03bgood Well, I think there's a good way to do a "thing" boss and a bad thing. The rubber band man is a "thing" boss, but there is something to his design. He's kind of creepy, the loose rubber bands on his head act as hair almost, and he generally looks like an actual character rather than the thing he represents. But the tape is literally just a roll of tape. Aside from possibly having dialogue, it doesn't feel like a character at all, not even a design.
For SMRPG, sure there were bosses like the sword, but even he had eyes and they cleverly used the guard of the sword to look like arms. And even if you think the design is a little uninspired, there are literally dozens of bosses in that game that have a far more interesting design. A roll of tape is literally just a roll of tape, I am having difficulty even calling it a design. The creative ones seem to be the ones who designed the encounter itself, as they had to find ways to allow a roll of tape to attack someone.
To be fair, we haven't seen the game in its entirety, but I can't help but feel skeptical since Nintendo decided these were the best bosses to show off the game with. Maybe they are just the first three bosses, but...the first few major bosses of Paper Mario (N64) were the Koopa bros, Tutenkoopa and Tubba Blubba, all very different characters with varied designs. The first 3 of TTYD were Hooktail (whom I've always thought used the Paper aesthetic well without looking out of place), Magnus Von Grapple and Macho Grubba. I don't know, I suppose I simply prefer this style of boss to a roll of tape and a case of color pencils. Like Arlo said, could they not have a guy that uses colored pencils in his attacks? I don't know...
We’re all so scared and excited for this game lmao.
I feel like I saw this exact comment on Nintendo's channel
It’s either going to be a new classic or a dumpster fire, I’m praying to the nintendo gods that it’s going to be the best game in recent years
I’m just optimistic because i liked all the games
antonia cox Or just something in the middle.
Nostalgia goggle wearing idiots will shit all over it because it's not the eaxt same The Thousand Year Door because those kinds of people always have an allergic reaction to something being different.
I love how Arlo is happy about normal mechanics being in paper Mario when most of those mechanics are in every RPG
The struggle between excitement and fear is real 😱😱
Nah I’m not scared I don’t really care I’m just disappointed it’s not Super Paper Mario 2
@@Bagimations I'm sad about not having another dkc game
@@Bagimations That's even more unlikely than a Thousand Year Door 2 lmao it's just sad how deaf Nintendo is
So true
If arlo doesn't wear the tie for his Origami King review, we riot.
Aren't you guys already rioting
Don't joke about rioting please. It's too soon.
The riots should be turn based.
It has to be a paper/origami tie
James Wallberg just because someone mentions rioting doesn't mean they're joking/referring to the riots happening in the U.S.
Here's an idea that hit me recently, coins could effectively be EXP. Games like dark souls had it to where you collected currency and then used it to "buy" a level. I mostly suspect this looking at Mario's health. We see it vary weildly through the trailers, and in enough small intervals I suspect it dousent come set milestones in the game. The possibility of buying health upgrades might mean getting a coins is rather significant.
Okay, I could live with using coins to buy upgrades fof Mario. More time to turn, higher HP, improving attacks.
I like the way you think but it looks like you’ll be able to get coins from many different sources in this game unlike Dark Souls which was only from combat or certain rare-ish items. DS also had many stats that dramatically changed the combat gameplay and thus forced you to make increasingly difficult and intentional decisions. This made the game much more variable and interesting.
If coins in the new Paper Mario have scarcity, the balancing was tightly controlled, and its economy made you make decisions that dramatically change your gameplay, this could be interesting.
But the signs and history point to Nintendo wanting to make a spin (no pun) on a shallow idea and continue to make it more accessible, rather than deepen story, challenge, gameplay, and memorable characters.
The varied HP is due to the HP plus accessories.
@@chloro8306Are there that many accessories? The Hp increases so many times that you would need like 25 or 30, depending on how much hp increases per accessory, maybe 5 or 10.
NOLASMOR ANDORESU in some screenshots from the UK Nintendo there is only like 3 “badges” of HP plus and they range from small amount to most likely Large. They go from small on top of the “badge” or “accessories” then so on with the other 2 Hp Plus. It’s in game explain UA-cam.
Spoiler: the final boss is the paper clip from the old Microsoft Windows.
If you’ve seen Animator Vs Animation 3, you know that Clippy is surprisingly tough lol
Spoiler. You copied a popular comment written an hour before your own. Mate, plagiarising a UA-cam comment is weak.
Do not copy other people
Because everyone copies comments on UA-cam on purpose, right...
*le gasp*
I've been calling my thoughts about this game "cautiously pessimistic". There are things that look promising and things that look worrying. I'm going in with an open mind, but low expectations. Gonna wait for reviews before buying
All these people arguing about the first 2 vs. the last 2 games, I just want another Super Paper Mario.
Everyone: **talking about the PS5**
Arlo: “Ya kids like paper?”
I fear no man but this
✏️
This scares me
3:56 I love how they call them “A Colourful Cast of Characters!” when in total they only include like half of the basic colour spectrum colours and all except Bobby use Yellow as a major part of their design.
There’s Luigi do he in green
“Colorful Splashiness T-Shirt!”
*you have become the very thing that you swore to destroy*
Ew. Memes. 🤮
@@_Pike What?
The game wasn’t that bad.
WoW tHiS iS SoOoOo bAd 0/10 NoT tHoUSaNd YeAr DoOr BaD pApEr MaRiO GaMe
This is a joke, please don't kill me, I have a family
"Between the whole pathing thing and the thing thing."
-Arlo, 2020
Better than marketing speak lol
Im still cautiously optimistic, but the “reason to battle” thing is a little more worrying
I'm pretty sure you get confetti from defeating enemies.
It seems like there is no form of exp in this game and a reward for battling is coins.
Notice how I said "a reward" instead of "the award". It seems like enemies drop confetti as well. Confetti has a very good use in the game but deplets fastly. Opponents being defeated also seems to be the only way to obtain confetti. If you ask me that seems like a good incentive to battle.
In all the gameplay shown I believe Mario doesn't go above 20k coins. This shows it's likely items a very expensive. This could slso be another reason to battle.
@@paperluigidrivinthecar5070 yea but cant really say confetti is a good reason to bother until we know what it does like filling the holes
First off, we haven’t seen the full ending sequence of battles. A very brief short of it. But it shows four lines, so it’s probably going to mean more rewards.
@@Pokemen396 based on some extra gameplay, (you can find the gameplay at Gamexplain) you can do stuff like fill in holes which will lead you to goodies.
(Ex: Filling in a platform allowing Mario to get a ? Block)
Of course some holes will just exist to be filled in with confetti just for the sake of being filled.
I really am excited for this, it’s more in line with Color Splash than like TTYD but the battle system seems so cool.
Unless I'm mistaken, Bobby and Professor Toad's Japanese names are just the Japanese words for "Bob-omb" and "Toad", so I think this was a localization move to appease fans worrying about the lack of original characters. That also explains "Bobby"'s standard enemy design. Bit of a bummer to me. This just doesn't feel like a world that I'll be able to get fully invested in. :(
So it's like the reverse of how Kamek is just the Japanese word for Magikoopa?
That’s the impression I got. Those name tags feel like edited in and are simple text changes.
How the hell does any one get invested in these new Paper Mario games anyways? The mix media art style and the overreliance on things makes the world an incoherent mess. Add the huge emphasis on meta humor and they're basically designed to not be invested or immersed in.
I'm pretty sure that not right at all. Source?
@@stuffz1757 They don't. They just want something to go haha at every once in a while.
“On paper, it sounds like a return to partners.”
*I see what you did there.*
haha paper joke bc paper mario funny haha
I don't think that was intensionall
I hope this game doesn’t leave me cardBORED.
*wheeze*
bad
Ay i see we got a funny guy here
hold up dude I’m gonna laugh 😐
Bruh moment
When South Park: Stick of Truth and Bug Fables do more to evolve the Paper Mario battle mechanics faithfully than the Paper Mario series itself
The South Park games have Paper Mario battle mechanics?!? I’m not too familiar with them, how so?
@@julesthief they have different allies with different abilities, pp (which is basically flower points), you get exp from battle and level up to get stronger, and you've got all the other stuff like items, a variety of weapons, turn-based battle system, and a bunch of different enemies to fight and side-quests to do. Basically the only difference in battle is that you can't run away. Other then that, I'd say it's a really good rpg
South Park SOT game was pretty good
@Big Butter Building the deep, engaging combat system of the originals has been almost completely replaced, so fans of that original formula feel betrayed because they have nothing to return to.
it's like if the next 3d mario game didn't even focus on good platforming. fans would be angry because they go to the 3d mario games for the complexity of the platforming, so if that was changed, it'd be like their favorite series was being killed off in spite of them.
@Big Butter Building and I don't know what makes it OK to act all indignant about it either. arlo has explained this many times before when talking about paper mario, but for some reason sticker star fanboys never seem to listen.
It feels like they're so close towards what we want but they still refuse. Like they're reluctant to take that final step into Paper Mario finally being an amazing franchise.
Have you considered that not everyone wants them to make a thousand year door again and again and that seeing new mechanics and new gameplay could also make paper Mario an amazing franchise.
William Richards but not everyone wants this style of game. They don’t need to make TTYD again and again but you could use that same logic saying they shouldn’t make a sticker star inspired game again and again
Thor can’t please everyone
@@squill4883 new mechanic or not having only 1 playable character limit thing you can do alot also even if the battle system and overworld are amazing thry still fall Flat in term of story and character(Color Splash is literally Super Mario bro with sticker,Color Splash is bowser being control by something wow sooo original,this game story seem a little more interesting but i cant say for certain because i cant play it right now)
I dunno. It seems to me they never had any intent to take Origami King in that direction in the first place.
You know something is fundamentally wrong with an RPG series when the fans have to be thankful that THE ENEMIES DISPLAY DAMAGE WITH NUMBERS.
Yeah but they easily could've used a boss that uses a wip out of tape or a boss that uses colored pencils for spears or something. This is just shear laziness and uninspired design. This also is why I don't like what they're doing with paper Mario. It's making arts and crafts villains, which puts Nintendo in a bad light with the people that enjoy arts and crafts. Paper Mario was much more fun at 1000 Year Door and even the first one just called Paper Mario. The last good one was Paper Jam. I never used the stamp feature, however arguably it better fit the aesthetic than fighting a tape and dispenser or colored pencils with their carrying case.
Peter von Feldt “puts nintendo in a bad light with people that enjoy arts and crafts” dude are u for real
@@Openreality
Paper Jam is usually seen as a Mario & Luigi game rather than a Paper Mario game. You almost never hear Arlo talk about it when talking Paper Mario, for example.
I haven't played Paper Jam, but my experience with Mario & Luigi is that it never crashed as hard as Paper Mario, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear the game is better than the last few Paper Mario games.
@@spoon7053
At least make it more inspired than a tape dispenser and colored pencils, which if you've noticed WAS THE FUCKING POINT OF WHAT I SAID AGAIN IF YOU MILLENNIALS ACTUALLY READ A COMMENT BEFORE YOU REPLY.
@@OriginalPiMan
Perhaps you should play it because it is very much so both and arguably the better of the three paper Mario games since 1000 year door.
Speaking as someone who’ll be entering the series with this game it looks pretty fun and interesting. But I did follow the response to the last two games so I do understand the concerns.
Its like they said: Remember in older paper mario games, we had "things"?
Yeah, why?
Remember how people hated them?
Yes, but why are we talking about them?
Well, if they hated them so much, they would love to beat the crap out of them, so I thought to make them bosses!
That's…A TERRIFIC IDEA!!!
Yeah, I’ve only played a bit of Super Paper Mario (fun) and Sticker Star (not very fun) and I’m not a huge RPG fan but I’d like to check out the other PMs. Looking at just the public perception of this whole series and as someone who may or may not check this game out, a game in the tradition of the first two would be neat, but it seems there’s been an upward trend since SS and I think this Paper Mario is its own beast now. I respect the criticisms but I think certain precious things like more unique character designs could be let go of, I’m honestly not sure though.
@crazy silly You can throw around all the buzzwords you want, Sticker Star and Color Splash are still fundamentally flawed games in how they approach combat.
Cautiously optimistic.
Now excuse me while I go back to Bug Fables.
Lol
GAMEBomb123 It’s more Paper Mario than this is.
GAMEBomb123 Fair enough. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Nintendo for reminding me of school with the bosses.
School is your worst enemy
We see a spoopy final world esc area and the shadow of bricks stacking up my theory the final boss is school
Ah yes. I remember when my teacher threw pencil missiles at the students. I'm sort of joking, one of my teachers actually did once throw a pencil at a classmate because he was talking while she was teaching. It was hilarious.
Confetti is gained from battling, The coins seem to be the way to progress through the game, Mario is shown in different screenshot with more max HP and dealing more damage. The fear mainly comes because people think the fighting is like SS/CS but in reality, it's closer to TTYD (The attacking part, not the turning part). Partners are back, the reason the narrator says that some partners can battle is so people don't think that Folded Bowser would be battling (watch me get debunked as soon as I say that) another fear is that the partners are temporary, which is confirmed by the website, but Bobby can be seen in later parts of the game. also, the UK Nintendo shop page for Paper Mario The Origami King states that while Mario cutting streamers/ defeating enemies, Luigi will be looking for keys to The Castle, the way they worded it makes it seem that there will be intermissions with Luigi.
Also there aren't only real-life objects as bosses, there is Gooper Blooper, Origami Peach is probably a boss and King Olly is probably the final boss, and Bowser is a powerless ally. Sounds familiar?
*Possesed Peach (TTYD)
*Final Boss not being Bowser (TTYD/SPM)
*Intermissions _maybe_ (TTYD)
*Bowser being an ally (SPM)
I wouldn’t say that just because there are aspects of the story that are similar means that the it’ll last the whole way through
don't forget Sheriff Spike
Not to mention, the origami bosses like that giant turtle, or the fire Phoenix we see towards the end of the trailer.
@@pormpfspimperton6804 yeah, but it's a good sign.
Faisal Alsubaihen where in the whole wide world is temporary partners listed on the website? Cause I just looked and there’s nothing even listed about party members. Also what’s bad with area exclusive party members? Kingdom hearts does it.
I'm sick of baby-steps man. Arlo is the only one who tells it like it is.
Tbh, I don't think they need to go back to TTYD. I think Nintendo is trying now to mix the past formula with original stuff, which is cool for me. It doesn't need to have HP, BP, FP AND SP to be a Paper Mario game. For me, this series core is the creativity. Of course, I'm very disappointed to see the RPG elements being taken away. But as long as these games try to be RPGs, I am fine
Yeah sooner or later they have to go back on the original form and improve upon it.
Maybe we like Nintendo, just need to let go of the past.
@@mrjohnful The only "original" idea that's worked so for me at all is Super Paper Mario and that's literally basic Mario but with RPG mechanics. Sticker Star and Color Splash fundamentally doesn't understand Mario worldbuilding established by previous games or how RPG mechanics work, there isn't a proper reward system, and the lack of partners and interesting bosses makes for a very monotonous experience. TTYD would be way better than trying to inch closer to it while copying sticker star.
Like I've been fine with gimmick games for a long time, I'm one of those guys who likes pretty much all the Kingdom Hearts spinoffs because they actually know how to make good games or at least consistent game design. This team has no idea how to make an RPG and unless we get something solid I'm likely to skip Oragami King based on what we've seen so far. The combat looks like a decent puzzle minigame but if that's literally the only selling point, why am I not playing something like Bug Fables or Rabbids Kingdom that does it better?
ever heard of the BitBlock?
"Why would they hide xp" well they hid in battle companions so it doesn't seem that far-fetched
They still heavily hinted at them, enough that it was easy to make an argument for them. I saw the menu, didn’t seem like there was any levels are stats to increase by leveling.
@@SchmergDergen well they did cut quite abruptly in the clip but idk, I honestly don't really care about xp anyway so I'm not getting any hopes up
Moodle why not? It gives battles a point.
I hope so.
Coins could also be a decent replacement for EXP if they're used to purchase HP, stat upgrades, accessories, etc.
BUT that would need to be carefully balanced, to the point that it feels like a challenge/struggle to get enough coins to purchase all the upgrades per area.
Otherwise, if the game just throws coins at you or doesn't give you anything significant to spend them on, the battles and the entire game will feel pointless and tedious.
Visually, the game looks fantastic overall but if they screw up the battling/progression system, it won't be a good game.
@@davetheimpaler204 I feel like the confettis are gonna be what you get from battles, I mean what is the easiest way to get confettis ?
*By tearing paper to shreds that is.*
In TTYD we fought a dragon, a pirate skeleton and many more creative bosses. Now we fight crayons and tape dispensers... sigh.
you literally see dragons and pirate skeletons in many jrpgs
We get to fight dragons here too, its just that it wasn't the spotlight
They're colored pencils, not crayons
I've recently been playing The Thousand Year Door for the first time (Illegally? No, of course not, where would get that idea, I would never), and as I've gone and played through it, I began to understand certain complaints about the later games.
The main problem I see is indeed the battling system. The system of getting coins from battle to then buy card to battle with, like Arlo explained, is just plain dumb. I really enjoy the system Thousand Year Door has of gaining XP, and getting to upgrade Mario's abilities by doing battle, not just getting coins. (I'm actually always dead broke in the game, but that's besides the point)
If this new game can find a way to make battling unique and worthwhile, then I think the series can finally be at a place where most people can enjoy it. (Except Arlo until partners come back 😂)
P.S Things are garbage
I would like to know where you DID NOT get the game please thank u
d o n ' t p i r a t e :I
@@dragon_princess3937 go to vimm . net and download the gamecube emulator and thousand year door rom and you can play it
The problem is they're going out of their way to not use exp and levels and whatnot even though those have proven for decades to be a super fun way to feel like you're making progress and reward you for fighting. I really wish I could talk to the devs and understand why they're going at it this way.
Honestly, before I got Bug Fables, I was really desperately hoping that The Origami King would be good. It *might* be alright, but I think I'm still gonna wait on reviews before I pick it up. Not feeling the Thing bosses at all, or how hard they're leaning into the crafted world aesthetic.
Also, I love Bug Fables so much. It has eased the pain from Sticker Star and Color Splash so very much. I really hope that the devs are able to maybe make a sequel, that would just make me so happy.
Yes, Bug Fables is a MORE than adequate consolation prize.
Another silver lining:
If Nintendo is leaning so heavily into the paper theme for this series and still seems to be eschewing the RPG elements, there's still a chance they'll bring the Mario & Luigi series to Switch or, even better, a direct follow-up/remake of Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars, or something similar.
Dave The Impaler they don’t have the rights to mario rpg, that’s why paper mario exists in the first place.
This game is SO CLOSE to looking good. But it's that "close but no cigar" feeling I'm getting, ya know?
In the trailer It said Bobby has memory loss, maybe he doesn't remember his own name
Love how honest you are in these videos. GameXplain really makes sure to secure those Nintendo interviews and generalize the fans saying they’re only satisfied with Thousand Year Door when Nintendo has essentially sabotaged these games from being successful or at least revered by fans. EXP is the be all end all in this.
Coins COULD be a decent replacement for EXP if they're used to purchase HP, stat upgrades, accessories, etc.
BUT that would need to be carefully balanced, to the point that it feels like a challenge/struggle to get enough coins to purchase all the upgrades per area.
Otherwise, if the game just throws coins at you or doesn't give you anything significant to spend them on, the battles and the entire game will feel pointless and tedious.
Dave The Impaler agreed. Hope your write about coins, but I think they’re just gonna be for expendable weapons. They kind of brought badges back at least.
I agree Arlo is not afraid to point constructive criticisms about games rather than cover up and shush. I like TTYD too but I'm very open to Origami king however the last few trailers have me nervous.
@@davetheimpaler204 They'd have to be so particular about the coins if they did it that way. It'd be WAAAAAY to easy to take advantage of that system and just grab coins from all over without having to step foot into battle. Seems like way more of a hassle then making an exp system to accurately scale the levels of enemies/Mario
I stopped watching GameXplain a long time ago because of how sick I got of that behavior. Which is sad, because I used to really like them. But every new video I watched, they felt more and more like shills. And I don't mean they weren't being loud and obnoxious (because it is good to be respectful and diplomatic). I mean it felt like they would refuse to accept any negatives about the games they were talking about, and even going after fans instead. Once they started dismissing fans and generalizing their discontent as "entitlement", I finally had enough. Sounds like it hasn't gotten any better?
You know, I still wonder who mandated that they take the Paper part of Paper Mario to its literal level and move away from the Story Book stuff.
realpichu 1 yeah, but that is the problem. They are taking it to its extreme. Especially with the bosses in this game. Why are we fighting Tape, Rubber-bands and a box of Colored pencils when we can be fighting actual characters that use those things instead of them just being living objects.
MK7219000 I have the answer to that. That was Tanabe who was the main director of Sticker Star and Color Splash.
WhiteNinja Well he sucks at his job.
I think arlo covered that in a previous video. The lead developer lady or whoever she was said that paper mario no longer needed rpg stuff since mario and Luigi bro games had it. Sounded stupid then and looks stupid now
@@juliantapia1407 What's their frigging excuse now that M&L is in mothballs?
I mean, to be honest, I'm still hoping from the bottom of my heart that if there's not an exp system, AT LEAST there's an upgrade system to up your attack, HP, defence and possibly to unlock items to buy/get to use in battle. It can still be saved even without an exp system, but I don't wanna have expectations towards the game so I'm set up to be dissapointed.
Oh, and while I HATE the Thing bosses, there's still hope. The Rubber Band Mummy guy seems super cool and interesting, there's still a boss battle we didn't see fully with Mario driving a giant water or ice dragon thing and we saw Gooper Blooper at one point. I still have hope those are just... A bump in the road.
Use coins to upgrade a shop to sell better items, coins to buy overalls and hats of different arts & crafts products, coins to learn how to jump better or swing harder, coins coins coins.
No EXP gained from the looks of that one battle that shows the end-of-battle results screen. The fact that the trailer cut away from it incredibly fast gives me a lot to be concerned about.
Coins could be a decent replacement for EXP if they're used to purchase HP, stat upgrades, accessories, etc.
BUT that would need to be carefully balanced, to the point that it feels like a challenge/struggle to get enough coins to purchase all the upgrades per area.
Otherwise, if the game just throws coins at you or doesn't give you anything significant to spend them on, the battles and the entire game will feel pointless and tedious.
@@davetheimpaler204
Correct!
It's why EXP is the easy way out.
Using currency alone is a much more delicate balance than simply slapping a leveling system and balancing the game around it.
I think they'll balance it well, *but*
I saw mario getting 1000 coins from a block as a reward for a puzzle, and it looks like only 200-300 coins for a battle. That rate seems good, if the high coin blocks are rare, but if they're not, I'm doubtful.
@@almondjoy4938 Is this sarcasm
@@chloro8306
No.
I'm serious.
EXP is the most convenient way of rewarding character progression.
Even coins aren't as automated.
Maybe the coins could act like exp. and you could buy upgrades to health, damage, etc. I’d be okay with this system if that’s what they did.
That's what I figure might happen, like you buy equips that raise your level manually, like what happened in kingdom hearts 358/2.
Not a great idea though honestly.
The answer to this... is they kind of did it
I’m cautiously optimistic and I kinda just wish they had remastered the originals tbh
They don't really need a remaster tho they still look amazing even Paper Mario 64
I just find it funny/awkward that they stopped making tradicional Paper Mario games because they didn't want to "keep doing the same" but now they are literally making the same game over and over again repeating it's flaws along the way.
This is probably the least creative way to take the pencil crayon idea. Imagine a boss made out of melted crayons. Or a child's drawing made with pencil crayons that comes to life. Missed opportunities.
Honestly it's the most disappointing thing in the game so far. It suggests just how creatively bankrupt some parts of the game are. Very unusual for Nintendo to do something so incredibly bland.
Better than another “fight each of the koopa kids” rehash.
I think youre taking this in a non creative way, the whole plot of this game is origami vs paper, and those "things" aka pencils, rubber bands and tape are all used.. on paper? Crayons to draw, rubber bands to roll them up and tape to glue them together, making these guard the streamers make so much sense vs a random character loosely based on those things
omar janabi You know, just because it fits the theme, doesn't make it less lazy or uninspired.
With this theme, they could put a blank piece of paper as a boss. Note how the rubber band boss is made of many rubber bands, taking a form?
By your stance, it could have just been a single rubber band, with nothing unique about it.
Those bosses are lame as shit. Your ideas sound brilliant. I wonder why nintendo keeps that old philosophy wtf
How is there not going to be levels if Mario’s hp goes up throughout the game? If there aren’t levels, maybe you can buy stat boosts?
In color splash you would receive more hp after beating a boss, so I would assume that will be the case in origami king.
@CraftyMineDan
I’m not so sure about that since in Color Splash, your max HP would rise drastically after every boss, sometimes even up by 50.
In Origami King, it looks like HP goes up by intervals of 5. So unless there’s a ton amount of bosses in every world, that doesn’t seem like the case
The SS hearts are back
Toad Howard In Sticker Star there were these heart items in the game that would give you +5 HP if you found them. You would be able to max out at 100 HP if you collected them all.
IDK? Badges?
I'm a whole lot less skeptical than I was back when they first revealed this and while I probably might just buy and enjoy this one, i'm really glad bug fables came out when it did because this game alone would've been heartbreaking.
Agreed! With bug fables, my desire for a paper-mario-esque game have been fulfilled, so I feel like Origami King can be what it wants
Spin combat seems gimmicky. When I saw that in trailer 1 I was like “ah cool, special scenario!” But nope, that’s the entire game. Tbh I don’t hate this game, but I still have no desire to actually buy it. There are a bunch of great indie games that capture the magic of the originals by telling interesting stories. $60 is a lot and “it’s a slight improvement is not enough.”
I have no main issues with the spin mechanics. (Then again I absolutely love fossil fighters champions which have that as a major feature.
This is pretty much exactly what I thought. I'm glad they showed if off now rather than closer to release so I didn't have to spend months being hyped.
The time limit bugs me, because then each random encounter is like a minigame THEN a battle. It seems too much.
@@cosmoniums5990 I don't think it's comparable to Fossil Fighters, that game uses positioning of your team in battle well. This is more like solving a puzzle to maximize your damage.
Biggest problem for me. They have a Bob-omb without a fuse and he isn't named 'Dudley'
Awwwww yeeeeaaahhhhh! I’m super excited that partners are back! I’m a little disappointed that they mostly look like generic characters, but at least they do actually have unique personalities! A freaking anime protagonist amnesiac bob-omb named Bobby??
I just realized that this is the first jrpg with “turn” based battles.
I swear if that's the joke that Nintendo is pulling.. I don't know if that's diabolical or genius..
Rotation battles were a thing in pokemon black and white
Arlo: Gonna have another long discussion about Paper Mario later...
Me: *happiness noises*
Honestly I think this game would be amazing as long as they have some incentive to do battles and more unique character designs.
We've basically just become the older generation of ..."back in my day, things were better" only with Paper Mario.
what's crazy is that it's true but the kids will probably just think we're old, smh
Well paper Mario come out three years before I was born, I get it for free via club Nintendo, I haven't finished it yet but I love it, it's the only one I've played but still... Even though it's the only one I played I not apposed to games like SPM or of course origami king I'm quite excited for it's release of course there's some things like character design, diversity of inhabitants and More New characters I do think it makes up for some of the things I mentioned but I'm not going over why
I’ve only watched Paper Mario and Paper Mario TTYD, I think those games look so good and I had my expectations of them doing something similar for the younger generation like me. Give them an experience that other older players enjoyed. But idk. I’m being very optimistic about the game and I hope things go well for you guys and the older generation.
It's not blind nostalgia if you can go back and actually point out what was done right.
Adam Feliciano nah. Y’all old XD
Bobby has amnesia, that's why he doesn't know his name
*Thinky Thinky Panic
Is that why he also doesnt have a unique style?
Then why in the Japanese Trailers he is still refereed to as Bo-bomb? It's pretty obvious they are hiding the fact that they never intended to have real partners.
A bomb-omb without a fuse that has amnesia, called Bobby.
@@NoxideActive relax
This game sure is different, and i respect everybody that likes this kind of new approach...
But for someone like me (that perhaps it's true that i am clinging to the past because it was just too good).. well for me.. this looks like i won't be enjoying this game as much as i wish i would.
I still say give the game a fair shot. It does looklike their at leadt trying to put more effort into things this time around. For all we know someone higher up is causing problems for the staff behind the game. You know the type of execs who don’t actually make movies or games but think they know better snyway.
Is it truly wrong to long for a past that was Golden? I hate that argument that you're living in the past, what does that even mean? So let's say the next Paper Mario game right after this becomes a first person shooter? Are the Color Splash and Origami King fans living in the past if they complain about that? Living in the past is a cop out argument when someone doesnt want to prove you wrong. The only criteria for you "living in the past" is if the thing you love happened yesterday. And everything that's ever been made has existed in the past so what's the difference between you and Color Splash fans? You both like something that happened in the past and it existed before the present? Stupid argument. And anyone that uses it is stupid for saying it.
Bobby has amnesia, so of course he doesn't refer to himself as such.
Kinda like the Generation 1 pokemon where they power up their Special (special attack and special defense) and forget things and then sweep and tank things.
I think you misspelled Thinky Thinky Panic
I feel there's like a gazillion of us, just waiting for the first review to drop.
Nintendo fans: "Back to Thousand Year Door formula?"
Nintendo: "turnable battlefields! :)"
Nintendo fans: "No, we want Thousand Year Door formula"
Nintendo: "Turnable :) battle :) fields :)"
I honestly don't mind the turnable battlefield. Its fine if they want an interesting mechanic for the battles, but there some other elements I'd like to see come back. Proper partners for one. They could have done something creative and strategic with it, maybe give the partners their own circle turns on their own turn. Maybe each partner turns the field slightly differently than the others. Give it some strategic depth and we get partners back. idk why they didn't do something like this.
Nintendo isn’t gonna go back to an old formula without spicing it up a ton.
@WhinyDogFish you're probably young
WhinyDogFish Color splash was bad.
Yeah I actually like this battle system
Although the fact there's no exp worries me because it's the same fatal flaw Sticker Star and Color Splash had.
Still not on board with this entry. I have a feeling I'll be like, "Well, that was tolerable! Can we go back to classic Paper Mario now??".
Me too. It feels like they simply refuse to go back to their roots. With Mario and Luigi now MIA, where's our Mario RPG series?
Play Bug Fables. It plays like the classic games while feeling like a continuation of them.
If they remake it, the people would call Nintendo lazy. There is just no satisfaction in this community
dont mess with paper mario fans they only like one game
@@wistfulanthophila9317 64, TTYD and Super were all good. You can't just dismiss fans who dislike the series' new direction as boomers with rose-tinted glasses. I tried to enjoy Sticker Star but it just sucks.
Next Paper Mario game:
*Paper Mario: The Scissor Apocalypse!*
Sticker star world 1.
Princess Peach dies in that game.
Nintendo- WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!!
@@reversepsycho yeah because of darkness increasing...
Paper mario: Luigi's magical pencil
It's so tiring when Nintendo feels that they have to use the generic parts of their IP ad nauseam. Some of the most memorable non-2d Mario games are so special because of the interesting and unique characters/bosses/mechanics.
Remember when they gave us Petey Piranha? Now he's a regular character. Hell, Gooper Blooper is a reoccurring boss, he's IN this trailer! Are we ever going to see the return of pencil case? No.
I officially give up on Paper Mario, at least we have Bug Fables
See ya
This trailer confirmed that I'm not missing out on anything by skipping this one. The bosses are the biggest kick in the teeth. What an awful decision.
Dude are you seriously so clouded by rose tinted nostalgia that you can’t even give a game a chance before completely writing it off?
(Sorry if I sound abrasive but I’m sick of people who write games off without giving them a chance.)
Cosmoniums Comet I think its perfectly fair to be totally turned off and disappointed by this trailer. People who loved the originals have been totally left to wayside with these new games. The soul of the games has vanished and its become all about stupid paper gimmicks instead of a series of games with characters you can grow attached to. Like Arlo said, this game feels like a bunch of half measures to fix things, and its just not what we want. And the thing final bosses is like a kick in the teeth. What an awful decision and really shows how disconnected they are from fans of the old games.
Cosmoniums Comet And I’m really sick of Nintendo refusing to acknowledge that the first two games exist. This is more a sequel to Color Splash than any other game.
Respect your series, Nintendo. Don’t make “sequels” that abandon the prequels in the dust forever.
@@parkerdinhwilliams15 Yeah, it says something that Super Paper Mario still has the most soul of the first two titles
@@parkerdinhwilliams15 Writing off this game as "Just stupid paper gimmicks" without even giving it a smidgen of a chance to do anything creative with them is abandoning the franchise that you loved.
Everything that turned you and many others off this game ("Thing" bosses, and the paper theme) all of those can be done correctly, they just haven't in the past. The paper theme was used as a replacement for a story and the things served as a way to make boss fights uninteresting. But this time is different, the paper theme isn't the story this time around, replace 'folded' with 'brainwashed', and 'ribbons' with 'chains' and the story hardly changes, the same goes for the 'thing' bosses, if you look closely, you see Mario being attacked by the colored pencils in other parts of the chapter, if the bosses are a menacing force and try to impede your progress throughout the chapter then that would be an idea even the originals didn't even do.
These characters even have the chance to be even better than TTYD personality-wise, I never grew extremely fond of any partner in TTYD because of the fact that most of them stop being characters once they joined you. Once the partners became part of your party, outside of some chapter-specific dialogue with Gombella, Koops, and Flurrie, they stop being interesting personality-wise, they just stop having dialogue once you're done with their chapter (Outside of some stock story-related lines that all basically say the same thing). Because TTYD allows you to have any partner out at any time, that basically makes it impossible for there to be character-specific story-related dialogue, thus making their character not really have any meaning past their chapter. This is why I like how this game is going to have section-specific partners, it gives us more opportunities to get to know them better. In TTYD, it feels like they were interesting when I first met them, but then they quickly took a backseat to other partners/characters. (Goombella and Vivian are the two exceptions to this, Goombella because she has tattle and her out-of-battle ability, and Vivian because we get to know her far before she joins us) It's a situation where less is more, having less characters means the ones we do have are more interesting and more developed, I don't know about you, but I would much rather get to know 1/2 characters at a time, while having them interact with each other, over 6 characters, each for only a small segment, and the only interaction they have is with the main character that doesn't speak.
(I've played all the Paper Mario games, and 64 is one of my favorite games, the reason I don't bring 64 up in this is because TTYD as far better partners character-wise, everything I've said about TTYD applies to all of 64's partners)
I wish they called the spin battle mechanic “turn-based” just as a jab at the fans 😂
They have hurt us enough...
Rofl "turn"-based.
They did that with the Toad segment though.
genius I love it
"You guys said you wanted turn based combat. Here's "turn" based combat. That's what you wanted right?"
- Nintendo
I’m definitely in the camp of “I don’t particularly like where this is going,” because I just want more of the old style of N64 and TTYD. But I admit that there are some interesting concepts here-I think this is the kind of game I would be super into if it *weren’t* in the same franchise that spawned TTYD.
One thing I want to add to the discussion is that while it’s nice to see damage numbers again, I didn’t actually see any HP counters except for Mario’s and I think a boss health bar. Having some context as to how much damage you’re actually doing with each attack is great, but without context for how much HP enemies have, it might not help much. (You can argue that many JRPG’s don’t show you health bars much either, and that’s true-but with a turn-based action/strategy game like this is being marketed as, I think there needs to be more context to make those damage numbers actually work in their intended way.
Also, my guess is that the Shiny boots and such will be consumables that you pay coins to use somehow. It’s not my ideal, but it would essentially be a super-minimalist version of the FP system. More coins = better and stronger attacks, but instead of separate gauges for FP, badges, etc, you’d just use the same currency you use anywhere to buy them on the fly in battle. (Or out of battle at an item shop, like a degrading resource) Again, not ideal in my eyes, but serviceable.
You didnt know the hp of enemies in the old games until you scanned them. If you fight an enemy twice you'll know their general hp value from when you defeated them the first time. Like if you hit a goomba twice and it foes after you do 12 damage twice then you know its health is 13-24
Splooge McDuck I do get that, it’s just that one of the issues I have with that system is that it means you can’t tell for *sure* what an enemy’s HP is in most cases without getting lucky. You just get ranges, which makes a low-damage number system like Paper Mario used to have less tactical and more guess-based.
For example, I always liked having tattles on most enemies. I didn’t *need* them, but it helps you optimize your attacks. Especially if the system uses a consumable resource for higher-damage attacks, it would be helpful to know if you’re using overkill without a bunch of guesswork or mental gymnastics.
JRPG’s use a similar system to what you’re describing, but if often works well because the specific damage numbers you deal aren’t particularly important-you’re only really worried about damage ranges. Especially when you get to high levels in a game like Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger, and are doing attacks worth 9,000-9,999 damage each, whether you missed 10 points on an RNG roll is largely irrelevant.
But knowing a goomba has exactly 10 HP, for example, can help you optimize your battles more when your damage numbers are lower, since you can plan for exactly how much damage you need to do more easily. By extension of the system in Color Splash, you could tell that a jump with full paint would instantly kill X enemy, but it’s all just guesswork unless you really grind out data for yourself. Adding damage numbers helps that immensely (and puts in more in the camp of classic JRPG battle damage systems), but still leaves a lot of guesswork that could be avoided with a rattle system. (Which may even be in the game and we just don’t know it.)
“Yknow what I mean”
Me: yes and no simultaneously
The bosses in this game are a hit or miss for people, personally I think there cool but as Arlo said they could been better like:
-The pencil boss could be a commander with his right hand being a pencil machin gun that could shoot the pencils pointy heads as for his left hand it could be the pencil box itself acting as a shield I think that will be better suited.
-Duck tape: it's could've been a plastic spider with the tape itself being his abdoment and we could see the tape rolling while he attacks with it and the sharp tip of the duck tape being his fangs (I don't remember there name.sorry)
What do you think guys, are those some good ideas. If you have any suggestion please leave it in the comments. And thank you for spending your precious time reading this.
Have a nice day/night.
Rubber Band boss seems to be the most creative.
I think the pencils + case forming a gatling gun stand+ barrel, and alternatively a missile launcher, is actually a pretty creative idea.
I think all the footage makes it seem like the battle timer is just how long you have to adjust the ring. After that, it's just a normal RPG battle.
I want the 3D Mario collection revealed NOW
Olufemi Adedokun If it’s a thing, it’ll likely get revealed via a shadow drop within the next week.
That was never confirmed
Triston Swindell the evidence is SO HEAVY. Best Buy listed “NS Game 1, 2, 3, and 4” the number of Mario games predicted
Honestly I didn’t buy it until this new trailer suddenly randomly had Gooper Blooper from Sunshine. Petey Piranha has been a fan-favorite for years, but as far as I know, Gooper hasn’t really been in anything past Sunshine. For that reason alone, I think it’s happening. He’s just such a random character to slip into this trailer for seemingly no reason.
@@williamr7416 that isn't evidence wtf lmao
I still don't know how should I feel about this game. The combat system could be fun if it's well balanced, but if the last 2 times it wasn't well balanced I don't have any reason to trust that it will be fixed this time.