My reproduction Henry in 45 Colt (Uberti) runs like silk compared to my 1892 repro, and shoots very accurately. I suspect it's at least partly due to that integral magazine tube stiffening the barrel up quite a bit. I find it quite interesting that someone managed to load and hunt with original cartridges. Funny how so many today think you have to load for bear to take down a deer, yet how many thousands were taken with Henry's 44 rimfire or 73's in 44WCF over the years...
Great video! One of the biggest things that peaks my interest with the old lever action rifles is the history that surrounds them. This old Henry is no different. I can't imagine any state of the art fighting rifle that wouldn't be part of the conflict in 1864. She's in amazing condition!
Amazing rifle, i have a modern copy made by Uberti, and it is a very beautifull copy, i use it time to time in CAS, not the best against to my 66, but so fun...
Beautiful Piece. There is a Henry that has been for sale for some time up in my area. Out of my range, but another beautiful piece. Thanks for sharing.
Considering how much better that Henry is than a single shot I would have thought everyone would have had one. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
That is a great-looking gun. I know that people say keep the gun original and it will be worth more. Why is that? Seems like today people would prefer to restore them to their original look and shooting capability. That way it will last another hundred years. Can comment on this? Thumbs up to your videos always.
Another great one, Mark. Question: You mentioned that the butt stock had been lightly sanded as the metal frame was a bit "proud" and was raised above the wood. I don't doubt that is the answer, but is it possible, with very old wood, that it could have dried out to the point that it "shrank" to below it's original level, thus making the metal portion seem to protrude above? Just curious and thanks.
@@Master...deBater (Mike C.) Yes, that is correct. I got a tour of the Uberti factory many years ago when it was still owned by the Uberti family. I watched Henry magazine tubes/barrels being machined on mills from one solid piece of stock.
@@Master...deBater (Mike C) It was awesome for sure. Me and several Air Force buddies just showed up at the plant and asked for a tour. Pedro Uberti (Aldos Son) spoke English and personally took us through the entire plant. There were Winchester 73 actions all over the factory!
@@dianecullum1281 What year was that...if you recall? I ask because I have an old Cattleman, built in 1970, with incredibly vibrant color case hardening second only to my all American made USFA! It's chambered in 357 mag...and still tight as a drum. I've purchased several since, but none with the build quality and beauty of that one. I bought it used in 96...and it has seen every major mountain range in western Montana as my big cat and bear defense sidearm!
(Mike C.) Researching the Spencer rifle & carbines a bit, I was very surprised at the numbers purchased privately during the war. At least one source indicated about half the Spencers produced. I think most Henrys were private purchases. Both designs were way ahead of their time but I believe I would have opted for the punch of the Spencer cartridge over the Henrys rate of fire. Another outstanding & informative video. Thanks Mark!
You know, some company like Starline could make a run of .44 rimfire brass and a custom ammo maker could take it from there. Priming compound, black powder,and lead bullets aren't the problem the rimfire case is. No wonder there was a .44 Henry central fire cartridge and modern reproduction Henry rifles are .44-40. And I think a few repros were also made in .45 Colt too.
They have a company making kits for reloading .22 rimfire, that same primer compound should work for a rimfire .44 Henry, if Starline were to make the brass for it. I doubt there is enough commercial interest for it though, Those original Henrys are pretty valuable, most aren't going to take a rifle that expensive into the field.
I have a new Henry 1860. It is a beautiful rifle. And it does shoot well. I would like to ask if you would consider doing a piece on investment cast. Take us thru the years that Winchester milled receivers and hammer forging up to and including casting to the current way they are making receivers.
I've made them myself and shot them through 1866's but this rifle is a consignment, so the choice to shoot it isn't mine. I'd be happy to talk to Mr. Blancard if you'd be so kind as to provide his contact information.
What a nice piece! Is it possible to reload those old rimfire shells?I mean, reprime them somehow with fulminate and then reload them with B. P.? B.T.W, I had the chance, if one could say so,to buy a gun like this in a gun show. The gentlemen was asking 20 K, way too much for my budget, but the biggest deterrent was the cartridge, I believe it's almost impossible to find any ammo for those old girls and I would never spend money on a gun that I cannot shoot!
I have reloaded rimfire cartridges in the past, but of course you have to make sure the striker hits a new spot on the rime with every firing , you can also use the case with a .22 blank which works well in a revolver, but not easy to orientate in a lever action rifle. But it is possible. Chris B.
GREAT VIDEO!! I've always wondered just how reliable the 44 rimfire ammunition was back then. We here about the misfires and ruptured cases but how often did it actually happen?
Knocked another one out the park Mark. If that old Henry could just talk. One day I’m going to get myself the Uberti copy. I hear it’s more period correct than the Henry Company today puts out. Of course it’ll be chambered in 44wcf as that’s as close as we have to the original 44 Henry today. One of these days I’m going to make it out to you shop.
I think 45 colt is closest to 44 rimfire. They're both straight walled cartridges...and the 44 rimfire bullet was actually .446 dia rather than the 44wcf at .429. Compared to the 45 colt at .452...the 44 rimfire is only 6 thousandths off. Whereas the 44wcf is 17 thousandths off. I chose my Winchester 66 in 45 colt so it can share cartridges with my single action armies. Of course, if I had a 73 clone, I'd have chosen the 44wcf. Just something to consider.
@@Master...deBater but it fired a 200 grain bullet and was just under 1,200fps, so I’d put it closer related to the 44wcf though. But that’s just me. The 45 Colt was never used as a rifle cartridge.
@@millcreekrange Your points are correct. However, of you really want to come closest to replicating the performance of the 44 rimfire in a 44 cartridge. The closest cartridge would be the 44 special. It took is a straight walled cartridge...but you're still dealing with a .429 bore. I load my own ammo...so I use 200gr bullets and don't mind the higher velocities. I think the larger bore of my 45 Colt looks more authentic to the bores of original 66s. The fact that 45 Colt was never used in rifles means about as much as the fact that 44wcf was never used in Henry rifles...neither is authentic.
(Mike C) I agree with millcreekrange that the 44 Spl. is the closest clone to the 44 Henry rim fire. Mike Bellevue (Duelist1954) has a video on this exact subject. with black powder, the case capacity is closer to the 44 Henrys 28 grain charge than either the 44WCF or 45 Colt. Duelist also has a video on why the 45 Colt was never chambered in any original firearms that used claw extractors. The rims on original 45 colt ammunition were just enough to keep the cartridge from falling through the cylinder. They were intended for pushrod extraction only. (Modern 45 Colt brass has an improved rim of course).
@@dianecullum1281 As I stated...of the extant 44s...44 special is the closest. Being a bottleneck cartridge at .429, 44wcf is in my opinion the least similar. Millcreekrange said 44wcf was the closest. I prefer 45 colt because it's closer to the Henry's actual bore size as well as being straight walled. It does have faster velocities...which I don't mind a bit. With a full case of Swiss BP...it shoots 200gr bullets really flat by comparison.
I have recently have been watching your you tube videos. I absolutely impressed with you restoration skills and knowledge. This henry video is quite informing. Have you personally did work on them? Another Question have you ever fired a original Henry and do you know anyone who can make fireable 44 rimfire cartridge. Thanks again
I've loaded them and fired them in 1866's, but this is a consignment rifle and not mine. I don't know of anyone loading them commercially. I think the last small run of them was made in the 1960's. I would like to pursue loading them commercially at some point in the future if I can find some help willing to work on that project.
Great video 👍 I have a model 94 that was said to be a eastern Carbine, was there such a thing? Theirs a small hole in the rear of the stock, did it have a sling swivel from the factory
Eastern carbine is a term to describe a carbine that didn't have a saddle ring installed. They could be ordered with sling swivels, but many were installed by owners.
was wondering.... I have seen people handload rimfire rounds using a priming compound they spin into the rim and let dry. If someone had a stash of 44 Henry fired cases this might be something to look into? Of course the rounds would have to be 'oriented' in the magazine so that the indents are not in line with firing pin. Odds are they won't be in any case.
I've loaded and fired Henry rimfire rounds in 1866's. This Henry is a consignment, so it wasn't my choice to take a chance shooting this one. A friend who has reloaded and fired them in his Henry, recently had a 44 rimfire case pierce the rim and bulge the sideplates on a nice 1866. I'm not rich or brave enough to take that chance on someone else's $20,000 rifle. 😬
@@thecinnabar8442 LOl.... yeah I get that I should have realized that you would have tried the rimfire reload thing. Anyway... if you get a 'beater' Henry or 66 it would be cool to see you shoot some reloaded rimfires.
Thank you Mark. A true privilege to watch this video.
My reproduction Henry in 45 Colt (Uberti) runs like silk compared to my 1892 repro, and shoots very accurately. I suspect it's at least partly due to that integral magazine tube stiffening the barrel up quite a bit. I find it quite interesting that someone managed to load and hunt with original cartridges. Funny how so many today think you have to load for bear to take down a deer, yet how many thousands were taken with Henry's 44 rimfire or 73's in 44WCF over the years...
What a historic piece of hardware!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Very enjoyable, keep them coming!!!
Great video! One of the biggest things that peaks my interest with the old lever action rifles is the history that surrounds them. This old Henry is no different. I can't imagine any state of the art fighting rifle that wouldn't be part of the conflict in 1864. She's in amazing condition!
Great episode!
Thanks again.
That's one fine looking survivor. Sure was hoping to see it make some smoke though. Still a treat to see her.
That was super cool thanks for sharing
Amazing rifle, i have a modern copy made by Uberti, and it is a very beautifull copy, i use it time to time in CAS, not the best against to my 66, but so fun...
Wow, that old Henry is just absolutely a handsome gun
Beautiful Piece. There is a Henry that has been for sale for some time up in my area. Out of my range, but another beautiful piece. Thanks for sharing.
Great video. Thank you ❤
Considering how much better that Henry is than a single shot I would have thought everyone would have had one. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
Awesome video
That is a great-looking gun. I know that people say keep the gun original and it will be worth more. Why is that? Seems like today people would prefer to restore them to their original look and shooting capability. That way it will last another hundred years. Can comment on this? Thumbs up to your videos always.
Would love to have one like this one in my collection. Great history kesson, great video.
Another good video Mark.
Nice..a real Henry 🤠
I have the new addition,made by Henry repeating arms.
Great episode!
Thanks Mark Awesome Rifle 😊😮😮😊
Another great one, Mark. Question: You mentioned that the butt stock had been lightly sanded as the metal frame was a bit "proud" and was raised above the wood. I don't doubt that is the answer, but is it possible, with very old wood, that it could have dried out to the point that it "shrank" to below it's original level, thus making the metal portion seem to protrude above? Just curious and thanks.
That was cool, Thanks!
Good seeing you at the vegas show
It's kinda amazing how they got the magazine attached to the barrel back then
They weren't attached...I believe the barrel and magazine were cut from a single billet of forged steel. Still...quite a process I'm sure.
@@Master...deBater (Mike C.) Yes, that is correct. I got a tour of the Uberti factory many years ago when it was still owned by the Uberti family. I watched Henry magazine tubes/barrels being machined on mills from one solid piece of stock.
@@dianecullum1281 I bet that was an interesting tour. I would have loved to have seen that.
@@Master...deBater (Mike C) It was awesome for sure. Me and several Air Force buddies just showed up at the plant and asked for a tour. Pedro Uberti (Aldos Son) spoke English and personally took us through the entire plant. There were Winchester 73 actions all over the factory!
@@dianecullum1281 What year was that...if you recall? I ask because I have an old Cattleman, built in 1970, with incredibly vibrant color case hardening second only to my all American made USFA! It's chambered in 357 mag...and still tight as a drum. I've purchased several since, but none with the build quality and beauty of that one. I bought it used in 96...and it has seen every major mountain range in western Montana as my big cat and bear defense sidearm!
Thanks for sharing that awesome old rifle with us!
Thank You.
Thank you !
(Mike C.) Researching the Spencer rifle & carbines a bit, I was very surprised at the numbers purchased privately during the war. At least one source indicated about half the Spencers produced. I think most Henrys were private purchases. Both designs were way ahead of their time but I believe I would have opted for the punch of the Spencer cartridge over the Henrys rate of fire. Another outstanding & informative video. Thanks Mark!
You know, some company like Starline could make a run of .44 rimfire brass and a custom ammo maker could take it from there. Priming compound, black powder,and lead bullets aren't the problem the rimfire case is. No wonder there was a .44 Henry central fire cartridge and modern reproduction Henry rifles are .44-40. And I think a few repros were also made in .45 Colt too.
They have a company making kits for reloading .22 rimfire, that same primer compound should work for a rimfire .44 Henry, if Starline were to make the brass for it. I doubt there is enough commercial interest for it though, Those original Henrys are pretty valuable, most aren't going to take a rifle that expensive into the field.
I have a new Henry 1860. It is a beautiful rifle. And it does shoot well. I would like to ask if you would consider doing a piece on investment cast. Take us thru the years that Winchester milled receivers and hammer forging up to and including casting to the current way they are making receivers.
Can you please have a cup of coffee with Steve Blancard? He knows how to make proper cartridges for your Henry.
I've made them myself and shot them through 1866's but this rifle is a consignment, so the choice to shoot it isn't mine. I'd be happy to talk to Mr. Blancard if you'd be so kind as to provide his contact information.
love the frame, very good coloring
What a nice piece! Is it possible to reload those old rimfire shells?I mean, reprime them somehow with fulminate and then reload them with B. P.? B.T.W, I had the chance, if one could say so,to buy a gun like this in a gun show. The gentlemen was asking 20 K, way too much for my budget, but the biggest deterrent was the cartridge, I believe it's almost impossible to find any ammo for those old girls and I would never spend money on a gun that I cannot shoot!
I have reloaded rimfire cartridges in the past, but of course you have to make sure the striker hits a new spot on the rime with every firing , you can also use the case with a .22 blank which works well in a revolver, but not easy to orientate in a lever action rifle. But it is possible. Chris B.
That's a beauty Mark are you working on it for some reason ? It sounded a bit squeaky when cycling probably needs a good cleaning and lubrication ?
That rifle is beautiful.
GREAT VIDEO!! I've always wondered just how reliable the 44 rimfire ammunition was back then. We here about the misfires and ruptured cases but how often did it actually happen?
Knocked another one out the park Mark. If that old Henry could just talk. One day I’m going to get myself the Uberti copy. I hear it’s more period correct than the Henry Company today puts out. Of course it’ll be chambered in 44wcf as that’s as close as we have to the original 44 Henry today. One of these days I’m going to make it out to you shop.
I think 45 colt is closest to 44 rimfire. They're both straight walled cartridges...and the 44 rimfire bullet was actually .446 dia rather than the 44wcf at .429. Compared to the 45 colt at .452...the 44 rimfire is only 6 thousandths off. Whereas the 44wcf is 17 thousandths off. I chose my Winchester 66 in 45 colt so it can share cartridges with my single action armies. Of course, if I had a 73 clone, I'd have chosen the 44wcf. Just something to consider.
@@Master...deBater but it fired a 200 grain bullet and was just under 1,200fps, so I’d put it closer related to the 44wcf though. But that’s just me. The 45 Colt was never used as a rifle cartridge.
@@millcreekrange Your points are correct. However, of you really want to come closest to replicating the performance of the 44 rimfire in a 44 cartridge. The closest cartridge would be the 44 special. It took is a straight walled cartridge...but you're still dealing with a .429 bore. I load my own ammo...so I use 200gr bullets and don't mind the higher velocities. I think the larger bore of my 45 Colt looks more authentic to the bores of original 66s. The fact that 45 Colt was never used in rifles means about as much as the fact that 44wcf was never used in Henry rifles...neither is authentic.
(Mike C) I agree with millcreekrange that the 44 Spl. is the closest clone to the 44 Henry rim fire. Mike Bellevue (Duelist1954) has a video on this exact subject. with black powder, the case capacity is closer to the 44 Henrys 28 grain charge than either the 44WCF or 45 Colt. Duelist also has a video on why the 45 Colt was never chambered in any original firearms that used claw extractors. The rims on original 45 colt ammunition were just enough to keep the cartridge from falling through the cylinder. They were intended for pushrod extraction only. (Modern 45 Colt brass has an improved rim of course).
@@dianecullum1281 As I stated...of the extant 44s...44 special is the closest. Being a bottleneck cartridge at .429, 44wcf is in my opinion the least similar. Millcreekrange said 44wcf was the closest. I prefer 45 colt because it's closer to the Henry's actual bore size as well as being straight walled. It does have faster velocities...which I don't mind a bit. With a full case of Swiss BP...it shoots 200gr bullets really flat by comparison.
henryyyyy
That’s one expensive gun
I have recently have been watching your you tube videos. I absolutely impressed with you restoration skills and knowledge. This henry video is quite informing. Have you personally did work on them? Another Question have you ever fired a original Henry and do you know anyone who can make fireable 44 rimfire cartridge. Thanks again
I've loaded them and fired them in 1866's, but this is a consignment rifle and not mine. I don't know of anyone loading them commercially. I think the last small run of them was made in the 1960's. I would like to pursue loading them commercially at some point in the future if I can find some help willing to work on that project.
Great video 👍 I have a model 94 that was said to be a eastern Carbine, was there such a thing? Theirs a small hole in the rear of the stock, did it have a sling swivel from the factory
Eastern carbine is a term to describe a carbine that didn't have a saddle ring installed. They could be ordered with sling swivels, but many were installed by owners.
was wondering.... I have seen people handload rimfire rounds using a priming compound they spin into the rim and let dry. If someone had a stash of 44 Henry fired cases this might be something to look into? Of course the rounds would have to be 'oriented' in the magazine so that the indents are not in line with firing pin. Odds are they won't be in any case.
I've loaded and fired Henry rimfire rounds in 1866's. This Henry is a consignment, so it wasn't my choice to take a chance shooting this one. A friend who has reloaded and fired them in his Henry, recently had a 44 rimfire case pierce the rim and bulge the sideplates on a nice 1866. I'm not rich or brave enough to take that chance on someone else's $20,000 rifle. 😬
@@thecinnabar8442 LOl.... yeah I get that I should have realized that you would have tried the rimfire reload thing. Anyway... if you get a 'beater' Henry or 66 it would be cool to see you shoot some reloaded rimfires.
Is that Winchester Collector's a high capacity magazine? 🤔