@@tcj226 Yeah. I agree if it's only for this app. Seems to be more geared toward users who are already in adobe ecosystem, or drive people to the full suite subscription. I think it should just be free with photoshop plan or like maybe $5 stand alone or something. Also. I've been using without the sub and so far haven't needed to use the pro features. You don't NEED sub to use it or export flat images. Pro literally just unlocks more export options at this point. Feel like pricetag is scaring off way too many people from even trying it even thought 99% of it is free. But thats on Adobe for not making that clear in their marketing.
Just like Brad I paid about $6 years ago for Procreate. Since then, it has expanded so much that if I were a generous person, I’d now send them the difference between what I paid and how much they’re now charging. They’re engaging their users and seem to be in it to create a great app. Instead of an app where the no1 priority is to make money.
I paid five for Procreate in 2012, now it’s 10 I think but it’s a one time payment. And this being a competitor to procreate, I think it should be as well, not a monthly subscription
I love Procreate, but will watch this video even though I immediately dismissed it after hearing $10/mo. Now it makes me want to donate to Procreate for how awesome and cheap it is (as someone who never paid for apps, $10 sounded like a lot at first but it's SO GOOD). Truthfully, I'm not even sure why Adobe felt it needed to make this app because I don't hear anyone clamoring for a different one over Procreate... and I still have yet to see any advantages Fresco has.
C Tran amusing Enough... fans of the app have asked Procreate publicly, how can we pay you more to make sure it can continue and theyve replies... thanks, tell a friend. We are committed to the low barrier to entry and developing the best they can. They really are doing great work
I just had the exact same thought. In fact replied following to another person: Just like Brad I paid about $6 years ago for Procreate. Since then, it has expanded so much that if I were a generous person, I’d now send them the difference between what I paid and how much they’re now charging. They’re engaging their users and seem to be in it to create a great app. Instead of an app where the no1 priority is to make money.
Why don’t Procreate open a Procreate Brushes Assets Store, including their own ‘additional/extra’ brushes, plus allowing other Procreate brush makers to list there, and Procreate takes a small cut of those sales? That way, The Procreate developers can make more, and have more funds to contribute to the app’s ongoing development? And people like us who feel like contributing to Procreate can do so by purchasing on the store? Hey, I’m going to put that as a suggestion on their site!
I dislike everything Adobe does now. Based on the very principle of not selling software but licenses. That is NOT OK. It doesn't matter how good it is. I want no part of it. It's bad business.
Yeah, renting licenses for software is just like if a company could copy-pasting apartments endlessly for free, but only rent them out for expensive money. Here, money is not earned through the performance of the product, but through the active scarcity of an infinite resource. It may sound harsh, but in the end, it's a new level of evilness in the cruel reality of unethical business practices. The only way for an individual to do something about it is to renounce the offer. But that's not difficult when there are such good competitors. I mean, whether someone does awesome projects depends so much more on his abilities than on any small features. If you want to improve your own work, it's much more efficient to work on your own skills, styles and projects than throwing money at Adobe and using some feauture that thousands of other people know better than you anyway.
i mean it’s ok to charge some subscription fees for premium features, but no subscription no access? I’m waving goodbye to Adobe with all the middle fingers I can get
@Kier Rayne. See the thing is, Adobe charged WAY TOO MUCH for photoshop prior to the subscription model, but now like andarted said, that can charge indefinitely for an infinite and unchanging resource.
@Kier Rayne well, you don't have to buy the new version every time they release it. Just like people don't have to buy iphones every year, but they feel the need to because it's new.
Thanks for the information. Adobe subscription is money hungry. It’s higher than other drawing apps and it’s not even a full app. Procreate is the leader! I’ll pass.
@weinerschnitzelboy Procreate is a one time purchase and everyone is supporting it. I think it's 12 bucks or less..Have you looked at Procreate 5.0? While the Adobe student and business plan pay year around continuously. Again, I would say money hungry. It looks awesome! The Adobe student and business account is a monthly bill I would rather not want to pay. Procreate does supports PSD. You can save your files to Adobe PSD. So the support is there.
Well, partially :) I use Affinity stuff as well as Procreate and Adobe apps. Procreate is clearly taken the scene, but Affinity have still a long way to go. Especially if you use it in more automatised way through macros(which are still pretty underdeveloped) and API (which so far Affinity didn't release yet). As much as I love Affinity software, I have to admit that for more advanced usage (macros/api/some cases of performance optimisation/lack of smart objects equivalent) Adobe still comes up on top. Believe me, I love Affinity products, I bought like 6 copies of their products for my company and I know some of my clients bought few copies after me spreading the word. I hope all best for them and I can't wait for Affinity Studio to be released, that should solve a lot of problems (i.e. smart objects which would be linked objects in their case) :)
I bought Photoshop legitimately back when everyone was pirating it, and my reward for supporting Adobe was to have my bank card details leaked all over the internet. I’ve not upgraded and when Adobe switched to subscriptions I swore off them entirely. I use procreate on the iPad and clip studio on the desktop now.
I'm going to keep using procreate mostly cause it's made in my hometown (Hobart, Australia) and while I love adobe's products it feels good supporting the little guy, especially when the little guy is giving such a good product.
Just canceled my Adobe subscription and was forced to pay a £30 "early cancellation fee" - this was 16 months into my 12 month contract. At no point was I informed that after the initial 12 months I'd automatically be signed up for an additional 12. I've left Adobe for good. I have no problem paying for software, but Adobe's "subscription" is incredibly poor value compared to the competition. And these misleading pricing practices are totally unacceptable.
As a watercolor painter I would LOVE for Procreate to have that “water” feature. I’ve basically given up on Adobe at this point (although the subscription is technically less expensive for those using multiple CC programs and pros who would upgrade every few years). I use Krita and Procreate for painting. The only reason I still have CC is for class requirements. Who wants to bet they won’t actually release iPad Ps until after the new year?
@@marvinalberto7963 yeap, whats annoying is say you pay for this app..like 120$ for a year and you decide to not pay anymore..bamm u dnt get to keep what u been paying for..like its a drawing software not a streaming service lol...full Photoshop seem more understandable for if you are a professional artist but still..i really don't like subscription service on these kind of softwares...
Juzel James I’ve been trying it out for the past month or so. I’m trying to get the hang of it. I’ve only used raster based programs so there is a bit of a learning curve for me.
Too little too late. Between Art Rage for watercolor, Affinity Designer for awesome vector art and pixel art, and Procreate for just highly efficient badassery we really can do without Adobe’s attempt at catching up. Imma have to hard pass on this one, plus the subscription model is so greedy. Subscription models might work for entertainment, but not for productivity. Especially in an increasingly mobile-centric work environment.
@@ExpresiiPaint It seems very watery type of watercolor ? (ie, Japanese old stamp style...) Like a particular style with it. I do like more of a dry / controlable watercolor... Also, it seems unlike Rebelle, it does not have acrylics or other media (I was already a bit let down with that it seems Rebelle does not have oils ...) True that I'm mostly focused in oils/acrylics, but often need to do watercolor stuff, too. Still, I find it really good, but a stretch for a hyper realistic painter used to acrylics, oils and drier, western like watercolors... :) Will be very sure to check the trial, though. I don't leave a single app of this kind untested, lol.
It also the site tries to sell too much the idea that Chinese brush painting is superior to western painting style... IMO, not the best way to sell to westerners, lol. But I guess is great for their own market. I need a tad more control over the paint... Still, in some screenshots it seems you can tune it for more dry and controlled strokes... Yes, "water paints by its own", and all that stuff we know since always, but it is just one style more, not the one-and-all where art must only go. One needs a tool to be able to paint in many different styles, in my opinion. Among other things, because in real life an illustrator needs to work for very different projects and clients. Very positive points are that it says it can use 12k x12k canvases, and Rebelle already struggles with those quite... also that it can work even with just a gt 730 (a 30 -40 bucks video card!)...I have just a crappy 1050 2GB, but is quite better than that, so, will check it. Also good the great variability and realism of the effect over textured paper and variability in every stroke, very natural. My test will be if I can use it for a "western style of painting". Otherwise is of no use to me (or another painters like me).
ah man... I already shut off all of my Adobe apps and changed to Affinity apps. Most of time I use Procreate for any time of artworks and I used it since the beginning time introduced. I don't like subscription based apps and I absolutely hated.
Since Fresco has vector brushes, does it have stroke editing tools like Illustrator, Clip Studio, Affinity Designer etc. or is that something they're looking to add later?
You kinda said this in the end but is it only available for the Ipad for now? I have a surface pro and I have Creative Cloud. I would love to use a program that is similar to ProCreate
I canceled my adobos Abo since I Stopped using photoshop.. I switched to procreate bc it super user friendlie intuitive fast and feels natural. The low price for procreate is just a bonus. I would happily pay up to 200€ for procreate bc I think it is really that good. Fresco.. it looks good in a vacuum... nice brushes and all. If u already have a adobe Abo for university or work it’s ok but I would never pay for fresco alone. I know it looks nice but who uses watercolor brushes that often ?
I totally agree with the comments that the Adobe subscription model sucks...but Fresco has a lot of great features WITHOUT the subscription. Just download it and have fun, there’s a lot to play with without subscribing. No Adobe cloud or Photoshop integration, but who cares. Also agree that Procreate is fantastic.
H. Max I agree with you, I’m cool playing around and having fun, the real problem I have is that to save all of the things I’ve created, or to view them outside of the app isn’t possible without the subscription. They only give you the option to output your artwork as a low res version without a subscription. That’s a slap in the face
Paul Massiah Thank you for that note...I haven’t exported anything yet. I wonder if watercolors can be up-res’d in PS or Affinity Photo without altering the artistic intent?
"They showed some cool brushes and everybody drooled,... but what I want is an app that I can draw and ink with." Does an entire review showing brushes with no drawing or inking.
I had installed Adobe Fresco yesterday, and shocked with the price. Now i realize, i want give more bucks for Procreate creators! you guys awesome. Loved Procreate!!!
Perhaps this is from captain obvious, the main advantage to Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. is that HR/hiring managers throw those requirements out on job postings, and even though one can make just as good of a product with other software, they will pass you over if you don’t have Adobe in your repertoire.
that's certain. But some of us are already pros in the entire Adobe Suite, and at home prefer Affinity (in Windows, in my case). Mastering the Adobe suite is the only sensible thing to do if pursuiting a career in the industry. But then again, it would not make sense to focus on the ipad for that! The pro field require you to work in Mac and Windows environments. So, in the iPad it has no sense that they'd compete like they do in the desktop. Industry pros, specially those in a large staff, are not gonna be using the iPad other than to bring stuff from home, or the like. And most iPad users being hobbyists or lone wolves aka freelancers that can work alone, and not doing work for a ton of clients that require full fledged PSD files with latest CC layers features. With PS, AI and ID. When not even After Effects. So, that they apply same concept for the ipad, same price even than PS photography plan, makes zero sense. The ipad users are by large hobbyists, or indy illustrator/comic artists, when not just students. Not someone handling Zbrush, Surface Painter, having all time the game engine loaded, and maybe Maya or 3DS Max as well, for fast hot linking. It's not to the iPad users to which you can put the pressure they can put over desktop pros. The ransom system wont work in the ipad, wehre these type of users have already Procreate, Art Studio, and the Affinity suite.
i already have CC (the whole thing) - I got a great deal - $42Cdn/Month for *everything*, so I've been playing with Fresco - love it. I still need to learn so much of it - but it's a fun process.
I think alot of people are missing the fact that, you don't need to sign up to use the app. It locks certain brushes, cloud storage and the ability to save as a psd file behind the subscription. Just after messing around with the app for a bit, I'd say about 85% of the app is available for free. I never felt particularly limited, when I was using it.
@@3polygons Definitely will be a deal breaker for some. Just as someone who's not currently in the Adobe system, being able to save as PNG files is fine for me.
@@hayes_1199 I know what you mean. And I agree, for those cases. I do need to provide PSDs with all layers, and need to use certain tricks for clients I deal with for home/freelancing stuff, as some of the alternative tools, in Windows/desktop environment, do provide with "some" support of PSD, layered. But forget about delivering layers with FX, or what's worse, receiving a layered with FX PSD file. And that means, in my experience, and while I pick the clients and gigs (so, I already leave out a TON of potential clients), 50% of gigs are out of the current market (meaning small and medium business, or large companies) scope for someone not having the Adobe cloud and a desktop PC/Mac. And even those which can deal with it (like I do), it has meant cumbersome tricks (not possible with only the iPad, btw, but that's me and my consideration that a _full pro_ needs mainly the PC/Mac, and then can have the iPad as a companion tool, no matter how excellent it is) Besides that, a PNG is a RGB-only file... Even 3 recent big projects would have reverted into disaster if I could only depend on that, and not in FULL CMYK export, as a PDF/x-4 and PDF/X-1a, embedding actually the very specific CMYK color profile used by each print company. For my own leisure, or even, as much, participating in contests, etc... yeah, usually no need for anything than a PNG, neither the need of a PC or Mac, for just those uses. But I know what you mean: Certain users do not need these things at all (mostly hobbyists, or people learning the ropes yet, or people lucky to have only some very limited and specific output/file preparation needs, maybe for a single and particular client....)
I do feel like this would be a great app for those who's already sticking with Adobe Creative Cloud, but I don't see much reasons to get this as a standalone thing over a 10$ Procreate which seems to have much more polished features. In fact I would rather recommend CSP for Ipad (a month is a dollar less than Fresco?) if one could afford and don't mind a subscription drawing app that much.
Your Fresco files are stored on the cloud freeing up space on your iPad. I also enjoy that all my works are already there when I open Fresco on another device. Probably explains the need for a monthly subscription to pay for cloud space.
@@davidwolter8541 no, just a real-estate software engineer, husband, father that draws for fun, got invited by Adobe to help beta test the new Fresco app. I'm not a regular adobe user. I don't have history with Photoshop. Sketchbook Pro on windows and Procreate on the iPad were my go to tools before...but now I drink Fresco Flavored Kool-aid.
I have been Beta Testing Fresco and I also like Procreate a lot. I think they both have their own pros and cons and don't necessarily need to be in a life or death struggle. However as part of a professional workflow with other CC2019 apps I will probably be using Fresco.
Just a heads up - you can still do a loooooot without the upgrade, just with the free version. Including water colors. Actually, I wish Brad talked a little about the features that you only get when you pay.
I have a question.... After watching your video and several others, I thought I would give Fresco a try. I have an Adobe Photoshop sub.. So why not log in and test it out. So far, it's nice but I noticed something when I was trying to print one of my pieces and this is where the question comes in. Have you tried to print any of your pieces? When I saved my jpeg and brought it into photoshop on my desktop. I went to print and photoshop would not let me print, I found a work around but thought it was odd.
Hey does this have a grid setting like Procreate to draw straight lines? That, and the ability to snap to shape like Procreate? I use it for logo design and I love the vector brush Fresco has. It'll allow for much cleaner Image Trace in Illustrator. Would love to see Procreate create a vector brush.
On adobe website it said fresco is a “freemium model”. A free starter plan and a premium plan. But it doesn’t say it will charge us 9.9/month after 6 months. Where can I find more information about that?
There's no bitmap blender brushes by default (not at all on free version), no channel curves, no Hue/Saturation/Brightness. Transformations are just scaling and rotation; no deformation/skewing/perspective/warp. No liquify. Yo can't create brushes inside Fresco, you can't even modify the grain or brush tip. However, has some good features. The watercolor is very nice, and reacts even to any bitmap; it only lacks a water visualization (as Rebelle). The UI is very good. Is responsive. Memory management seems good (there's no limitations on layers). It's a very nice app if you already hace an Adobe CC subscription (only Complete or Photoshop, Fresco isn't included on Photography plan). It's a shame it has too many limitations on free versiones. They must have dropped a 'one time payment' option. Today, one month payment it's expensive as all Procreate.
Honestly I wasn’t even going to try it for free because I am still so busy and happy with Procreate, but then I saw the watercolour effects and I was impressed. Still no way I’m buying it for $10 a month, but that’s a pretty exciting and impressive feature. I’m hoping it inspires some Procreate people like Procreate inspired this overpriced Adobe product. Thanks for going through the features Brad!
If you have a Windows or Mac desktop, try Rebelle 3 for amazing and unrivaled watercolor effects. Nothing beats them in that. In no platform. Is 89 bucks, but worth every penny.
I just got my first iPad and have tried a few art apps. So far Fresco is my absolute favourite. There are some features missing, but I can work around them so far. I agree with others about Adobe’s pricing. We’re I not a (reluctant) subscriber of the creative suite, I would not pay the monthly fee to use it. Procreate also seems amazing, but it’s less intuitive, so I’ll have to learn a bit more to give it a fair shot. I basically bought my iPad in order to use Procreate. Fresco is a very happy bonus.
Procreate's drastically shifted consumer expectations with their one-time inexpensive price. It's no longer necessary to plunk down hundreds of dollars just to produce digital work. Adobe Suite's still cornered the professional market, but smaller apps have released the stronghold they had on independent artists. My husband and I are pretty much tethered to Adobe CC for the time being (Adobe is practically industry standard at most studios and no free/cheap animation program meets our needs), so I may try Fresco out since it's free for us anyway. The watercolor brush behavior looks absolutely sublime. But man, $120 annually is a lot to ask for a mobile app. To chime in with the others singing Procreate's praises, I really haven't used PS for personal art or individual commission work lately. I might transfer work done in another app just to export in a specific format or use a few PS-specific features, but that's about it. Procreate and Clip Studio Paint got PS beat as an illustration tool and overall user friendly experience. The gateway to digital illustration and animation has greatly expanded and Adobe needs to loosen up.
Many people do not know there's even more organic digital watercolor out there. Watercolor in low resolution is not good for professional work. Take a look at Expresii (for Windows) - more beautiful digital watercolor in much higher resolution then Fresco.
At least it's got dark interface and you can adjust pressure sensitivity. But I'll see what I can do with the brushes I have. Bit of a pain to get the brushes in but found a work around
Im very new at digital art and have only been using Sketchable on my Surface Pro, I got that computer because I needed one over just a tablet at the time, digital art has always been on the agenda, and I would get Procreate if they offered for Windows but Im using Fresco as a substitute and Im fairly satisfied other than the subscription cost.
Appreciate the review. Fresco looks cool, etc., and I’m sure it’s pretty polished but nope... won’t be paying for that. Definitely sticking with Procreate ✌️
Since I already have a full account, having this Adobe app is actually very nice to include in my toolset. Yes, like so many I totally love and use Procreate but this app has one / that many have asked for in Procreate for some time that may never be available in Procreate: Vector drawing. I use Fresco now for many Vector based drawings now where I might use Adobe Illustrator for iPad before. So since it’s available for me, there it is to use and for the task, I like it. Procreate remains my go to for pixel drawings. I like having both.
Thanks for making this video, Brad. Our team worked a long, long time on getting Fresco out the door, and we are proud of this work, but we are already right back on the job working on the next release. Fresco is an ever-evolving work in progress with many features and tools on the way, as well as many improvements. It’s worth mentioning that there is a free version of the app that anybody can use, and this free version has plenty to work with. In the top right corner of the home screen, there is an option to see what new features are coming, as well as a place to suggest features. We are reading those daily and compiling - please tell us what you want! Quick comment about using pure water or using the oils without any pigment: you can tap on the transparent circle at bottom right of your color wheel to instantly access this state with the live brushes. With watercolors, this allows you to paint with pure water (I recommend setting wetness to roughly 40% and flow to about the same for best effects). With the oils, you can use this same transparent pixel to actually blend any colors that are already on the canvas! Also, drawing a straight line with ‘zip-line’ is possible by using the ‘experimental’ preference in the app settings (top right corner, gear-shaped icon). Thanks again.
Thanks Kyle, all the hard work really shows. I’m looking forward to taking a deeper dive into the brushes, I’ve been using the water colors and the more familiar I become the more loving it. oil paint (both real and digital) is still a bit of a mystery to me, thanks for the advice :)
Just tried it. Exporting is a bit of a pain but not unmanageable compared to Draw. I use vectors exclusively. Fresco (as far as I can tell) only lets you export as a PDF (which flattens all layers from fresco to the PDF, but retains their vector shapes), or as a PSD (which maintains layers but converts the vector data into raster data). Pretty awful so far in my experience.
I love procreate. You don't have to get sucked into monthly subscriptions and yet procreate are always working on and releasing new features for the app!
The price is not an issue as I have a creative cloud account for my design apps. So Fresco is a nice addition (even though technically I am still paying for it). I have only played with the app for a couple days. The live brushes are definitely cool. The oil brushes seem to mix better than what I get in procreate, but maybe I just have not found the right settings in procreate yet. The watercolor is cool, but I have not used it enough to know if it can really be controlled well. My biggest issue is that i am so used to procreate now, that i find the layer masking to select painted content in Fresco to be a bit annoying. One thing i noticed is when I grouped layers together, I could not work on the layers in the group. It seemed to only function as a way to move content around across multiple layers... So you would have to ungroup the layers every time you want to edit or add. Also you cannot name layers as far as I can tell, which is a problem if you are painting in white on the layer, as the layer preview thumbnail just looks blank... so if you have multiple layers with white only on them... you will not know what is on each layer unless you click them on and off. It definitely will not replace procreate which is a much more powerful, robust program. Now if procreate can implement a watercolor brush that was as good as Rebelle 3, then Adobe will just have to shelve this program. I wonder if adobe will ever decide to release Photoshop for the Ipad, and if it will have access to the live brushes natively... My issue with most adobe apps including fresco is they just seem to lack too many features. I am hoping Photoshop for ipad will live up to the promise.
Nelson Chu thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately for me, I run in a Mac ecosystem, so running Expressi would require buying a pc with a decent graphics card and processor, or dealing with installing bootcamp on my laptop to run it. I will keep it in mind though and hope they either port it to the Mac, or I finally decide to break away from Macs
@@nelsonchu1343 Do you know if the tilt feature in Expresii requires using it on a Surface Pro, or can you get it to tilt on a laptop. I may try using this software on my Mac running it on windows via dashboard.
@@davidgordon7457 I'm the creator of Expresii. I don't have the resource to port it to Mac yet. You can always just use a GUI control, a game controller or even your Android phone instead of the G-sensor built-in your tablet PC to control the paper tilt. I think probably you will run into issue if not via bootcamp. See expresii.forumotion.net/t261-mac-users-wanting-to-use-expresii
You mentioned oil mixing too. Take a look at Fresh Paint and the tech behind it: ua-cam.com/video/WFwi0qLV8hQ/v-deo.html (yes, I made that oil and pastel). You will love the oil there. I left MS in 2011 and the team maintaining Fresh Paint messed up a few things, but still it's worth checking out. It's a free app on the Windows App Store.
If just for watercolor on the PC, you should really consider Expresii. Hardware-wise, you just need a good GPU for a smooth run. See a demo ua-cam.com/video/0c0Ca-pZgUc/v-deo.html
Great review! Been testing it out myself for a knee-jerk reaction type video I’m making. Totally agree that this is the first drawing app for the iPad that adobe has thought through and user tested ha. Though it will take a lot to replace Procreate for me.
Would you make an update for 2021? I'm about to get an iPad Pro to keep my digital drawing journey and I would like to know if I stay with Fresco or move to Procreate. Thank you for your videos dude! Greetings from Colombia :D
I love procreate, but I have to work in big files for printing, and I was so sad because procreate limits your layer amount the bigger your files are , so no I have to find a different drawing program, I hope fresco will work out for me. Luckily my art style is in watercolor.
I use adobe fresco for all of my illustrations and so far it’s been a great experience.I haven’t upgraded yet but the number of preset brushes are pretty great.What came of as a surprise is that I have been using the same techniques as on real canvas sheet and the results are similar. Not disappointed at all😍😍 I hope I am not missing anything here🤔 coz being able to work with presets is pretty dope💫
I have testet it tonight either and feel that fresco lacks some basic features like symmetry ruler. And shame that export to psd is only in subscription program. Thanks for your videos Brad, Im watching every little one.
So, I'm lucky/privileged that my school this year gave all its students Adobe CC for free so that I was able to try it w/o a trial or the subscription. I've found that I'm unable to establish a similar or better smooth workflow in Fresco like I am with procreate. For starters, I tend to import & export my files back & forth between a variety of programs so that's how I tried to start off, I exported a PSD I was working on into Fresco, which it opened w/ all of my layer styles etc. the same but when I tried to use the live paint brush it refused to work unless I shrink my canvas & image to a lil over 4000px-- which is incredibly limiting for me. Considering Procreate is able to handle my 5400x7200px/18x24" 300ppi just fine w/ a layer cap at 9, which is plenty for me as I tend to merge layers often. So I scrunk the image which-- is weird how they did it? You adjust the canvas and then transform all the contents to fit the canvas which was quite annoying to align to all the edges. Once I started painting, the brushes all seem a tad laggy. Maybe it's bc I'm using the 1st gen ipad pro, but honestly lag has never been an issue w/ this device due to hardware performance, it's always bc of the internet connection I have. The watercolor live brushes didn't really feel smooth and freeing like it does look in this and the demos in the app. When i tried to save & exit, Fresco saving the downsized file was taking foreeeevvver. I ended up giving up & auto-closing.Perhaps, all of these issues can be avoided if I worked and started in the app vs started w/ an import but uhhh-- if I can't move files between programs for any reason, I end up stop using that program entirely. CSP for instance on the iPad was great, is a huuge pain in the ass to work w/ when it came to moving files back & forth. I stopped using csp bc of it. Either way, this program kinda feels hella gimmicky in comparison to the others that people use (procreate, the one that borodante uses that I can't remember, or autodesk sketchbook pro etc.). I might try again w/ a blank canvas in the program and see if I can make anything cool/report back w/ my findings but as for now 🤷🏽♂️ sorry Adobe, maybe 50 updates later & it will be good?
It’s going to be a great app for current adobe subscribers. Procreate is definitely gonna be ahead for a while longer, fresco is still really young. And we’re still waiting for photoshop on the iPad which is due for release, which will definitely steal the limelight since it will also support Kyle’s amazing brushes. I would have just made “fresco” a “persona” for photoshop on iPad. That way you have one app and engine to update - but you can fork the experience and features pricing.
Would be interesting to see how those watercolor brushes work on lower-end iPads - Air and 6th n 7th gen default iPads. Usually, these brushes are resource-hungry if PC apps are of any indication.
I am using procreate since loong, and what is missing is the Live brushes that fresco has .. ..rebelle 3 came out first why procreate team is still withholding such feature i can`t get it!!!!
I almost feel like it's too late for Adobe in this area. Procreate is already so embedded in the art community. There is so much content (tutorials, training videos, classes, etc) for Procreate. Take Photoshop on PC, for example. There are several other art programs on desktop computers, but people just seem to keep right on using Photoshop. Other applications come out with some cool new feature and people seem initially impressed, but then go right back to Photoshop when they really need to get stuff done. Maybe it's because they are used to it and don't want to have to re-learn a new app. Maybe it's because there is so much stuff out there related to Photoshop already. The same may end up being true of Procreate. We'll see. The subscription requirement is definitely going to hurt them. Kyle is a master brush maker though, so that should help. I do agree that Adobe could probably own the Android market if they tried. Android is seriously lacking in that area and Procreate seems to have no interest in going to other platforms. We will see how it all shakes out. I'm sticking to Procreate for now. It's such a great value.
it is because the entire industry depends on Adobe's workflows, companies pipelines are deeply tied to Adobe. It is because, REALLY, Adobe PS and Illustrator go beyond ANYTHING in complexity and features of you can find in every platform, be it iPad, Mac, Linux or Windows. Simple as that. That said by someone that uses to his work Affinity Photo and Designer (and I too hate subscription model). And Clip Studio Paint, and Krita. And willing to purchase next Rebelle 3 for Windows. I have full knowledge and training of each alternative, almost. So, nope, is not for habits. I master the use of Blender, Inskcape and Gimp. And those are said to be really hard to learn. The reasons why a lot of pros go back to PS, AI, etc, is because the alternatives are yet lacking a lot of functionality compared to Adobe's. But hobbyists do not notice it, as what they need feature-wise is waaaay more basic. That said, Affinity is slowly catching up. For purely painting, even in Windows, if you don't have to make complex client work for a bunch of companies, well, I'd just use Clip Studio Paint, Rebelle, Art Rage, Krita, Corel Painter. All them are better for painting than PS. They are just *NOT* better (indeed very incomplete, as are the iPad solutions) for what really is needed for full complex projects where is not just you in your own and your canvas. This said, for anyone just painting on their own (hobbyists, students, or pros that can afford the luxury of not keeping compatibility AND workflows that Adobe apps require and provide. In the professional fields, this is a minority), the subscription in their case makes zero sense. Most people here paint for the love of it, in sessions of 2 - 3 hours top on average ( I know... when I was a hobbyist I'd put 10 hours a day if I'd have the time. Like me, some others. But trust me, is not the majority).
hey brad, I think it would interesting since you cover a lot of Adobe stuff to do A video where you talk about and show where adobe fresco for iPad is now, compared to what is was then
Finally! Ever since that iPad Pro keynote, I’ve been waiting for Adobe to release the full version of Photosh..........they made WHAT?! And they want $10 a month to use a Photoshop action disguised as a watercolor brush? And they wonder why we left. 😑
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Adobe $9.99 a month
Procreate $9.99 one time with more features.
I agree, but peocreate doesn’t have a vector prism like Fresco, but I rathe Affinity designer for my vector needs
And procreate 5 will allow you to import your favorite ABR brushes
I wish Procreate will be available on Windows and Android too.
adobe truly needs to start doing something different. that's insane pricing.
I mean, the Procreate price is ridiculous. I am not professional, I just draw rarely for fun and I didn’t have any problem with that price.
$9.99/month?! NO thanks. Procreate is sooo good and cheap for what it offers (and its a one time fee with no IAPs).
To be clear you can use most of the app's features without the sub. Certain things like layered psd and pdf export or premium.
@@NateBear It's still insane to have to pay MONTHLY for that. The app is cool, but not that cool. ProCreate has nothing to worry about.
I agree, monthly subscriptions are a cancer.
@@tcj226 Yeah. I agree if it's only for this app. Seems to be more geared toward users who are already in adobe ecosystem, or drive people to the full suite subscription. I think it should just be free with photoshop plan or like maybe $5 stand alone or something.
Also. I've been using without the sub and so far haven't needed to use the pro features. You don't NEED sub to use it or export flat images. Pro literally just unlocks more export options at this point.
Feel like pricetag is scaring off way too many people from even trying it even thought 99% of it is free. But thats on Adobe for not making that clear in their marketing.
Procreate cost like 5 or 10 USD forever and it is 10x better than any other app except Clip Studio Paint.
Nope lol I feel like Procreate is still going to be the top app. Procreate 5 is coming soon as well and it’s a free update
Agreed, Adobe are going to have to do something special to make this app worth it at $10 a month over procreate which is what, $5 in total?
@@Nutstache no 10.99
Why does adobe even have monthly subscriptions on all of their damn programms?
Just like Brad I paid about $6 years ago for Procreate. Since then, it has expanded so much that if I were a generous person, I’d now send them the difference between what I paid and how much they’re now charging. They’re engaging their users and seem to be in it to create a great app. Instead of an app where the no1 priority is to make money.
I paid five for Procreate in 2012, now it’s 10 I think but it’s a one time payment. And this being a competitor to procreate, I think it should be as well, not a monthly subscription
I love Procreate, but will watch this video even though I immediately dismissed it after hearing $10/mo. Now it makes me want to donate to Procreate for how awesome and cheap it is (as someone who never paid for apps, $10 sounded like a lot at first but it's SO GOOD). Truthfully, I'm not even sure why Adobe felt it needed to make this app because I don't hear anyone clamoring for a different one over Procreate... and I still have yet to see any advantages Fresco has.
C Tran amusing Enough... fans of the app have asked Procreate publicly, how can we pay you more to make sure it can continue and theyve replies... thanks, tell a friend. We are committed to the low barrier to entry and developing the best they can. They really are doing great work
Felt the same here about donating money for Procreate
I think I’m going to buy Procreate Pocket to support them more even though I don’t think I’ll really use it.
I just had the exact same thought. In fact replied following to another person:
Just like Brad I paid about $6 years ago for Procreate. Since then, it has expanded so much that if I were a generous person, I’d now send them the difference between what I paid and how much they’re now charging. They’re engaging their users and seem to be in it to create a great app. Instead of an app where the no1 priority is to make money.
Why don’t Procreate open a Procreate Brushes Assets Store, including their own ‘additional/extra’ brushes, plus allowing other Procreate brush makers to list there, and Procreate takes a small cut of those sales? That way, The Procreate developers can make more, and have more funds to contribute to the app’s ongoing development? And people like us who feel like contributing to Procreate can do so by purchasing on the store? Hey, I’m going to put that as a suggestion on their site!
*sees Fresco is out*
*opens app store*
*hears Fresco price*
*closes app store*
lol
thanks my college program for giving students a free adobe account ✊✊😔😔
@@TheWipal ...until you graduate... Then if you wanna keep using them, gotta pay up
Fresco is free and if you want more feature, then you must pay
Jael i graduated but still pay $60 a year 🤫
I dislike everything Adobe does now. Based on the very principle of not selling software but licenses. That is NOT OK. It doesn't matter how good it is. I want no part of it. It's bad business.
Yeah, renting licenses for software is just like if a company could copy-pasting apartments endlessly for free, but only rent them out for expensive money. Here, money is not earned through the performance of the product, but through the active scarcity of an infinite resource. It may sound harsh, but in the end, it's a new level of evilness in the cruel reality of unethical business practices. The only way for an individual to do something about it is to renounce the offer.
But that's not difficult when there are such good competitors. I mean, whether someone does awesome projects depends so much more on his abilities than on any small features. If you want to improve your own work, it's much more efficient to work on your own skills, styles and projects than throwing money at Adobe and using some feauture that thousands of other people know better than you anyway.
i mean it’s ok to charge some subscription fees for premium features, but no subscription no access? I’m waving goodbye to Adobe with all the middle fingers I can get
it’s actually a thriving business for them, so they just keep doing it. The adobe user base has the power to make that change
@Kier Rayne. See the thing is, Adobe charged WAY TOO MUCH for photoshop prior to the subscription model, but now like andarted said, that can charge indefinitely for an infinite and unchanging resource.
@Kier Rayne well, you don't have to buy the new version every time they release it. Just like people don't have to buy iphones every year, but they feel the need to because it's new.
Thanks for the information. Adobe subscription is money hungry. It’s higher than other drawing apps and it’s not even a full app. Procreate is the leader! I’ll pass.
@weinerschnitzelboy Procreate is a one time purchase and everyone is supporting it. I think it's 12 bucks or less..Have you looked at Procreate 5.0? While the Adobe student and business plan pay year around continuously. Again, I would say money hungry. It looks awesome! The Adobe student and business account is a monthly bill I would rather not want to pay. Procreate does supports PSD. You can save your files to Adobe PSD. So the support is there.
Dump Adobe. Procreate, Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, Affinity Publisher. All you'll ever want or desire.
Preach brotha!!!
My man speaking truth!
Try also infinite painter. Heard it was pretty nice
Adobe Premiere Pro
Well, partially :) I use Affinity stuff as well as Procreate and Adobe apps. Procreate is clearly taken the scene, but Affinity have still a long way to go. Especially if you use it in more automatised way through macros(which are still pretty underdeveloped) and API (which so far Affinity didn't release yet). As much as I love Affinity software, I have to admit that for more advanced usage (macros/api/some cases of performance optimisation/lack of smart objects equivalent) Adobe still comes up on top. Believe me, I love Affinity products, I bought like 6 copies of their products for my company and I know some of my clients bought few copies after me spreading the word. I hope all best for them and I can't wait for Affinity Studio to be released, that should solve a lot of problems (i.e. smart objects which would be linked objects in their case) :)
I bought Photoshop legitimately back when everyone was pirating it, and my reward for supporting Adobe was to have my bank card details leaked all over the internet. I’ve not upgraded and when Adobe switched to subscriptions I swore off them entirely.
I use procreate on the iPad and clip studio on the desktop now.
I'm going to keep using procreate mostly cause it's made in my hometown (Hobart, Australia) and while I love adobe's products it feels good supporting the little guy, especially when the little guy is giving such a good product.
Just canceled my Adobe subscription and was forced to pay a £30 "early cancellation fee" - this was 16 months into my 12 month contract. At no point was I informed that after the initial 12 months I'd automatically be signed up for an additional 12.
I've left Adobe for good. I have no problem paying for software, but Adobe's "subscription" is incredibly poor value compared to the competition. And these misleading pricing practices are totally unacceptable.
$9.99 a month, hell no!
-Can I copy your homework?
-Ok but change it up a bit
more like
-can i copy your homework?
-yeah sure, but it is only 10 minutes from the deadline
- oh, shit!
As a watercolor painter I would LOVE for Procreate to have that “water” feature.
I’ve basically given up on Adobe at this point (although the subscription is technically less expensive for those using multiple CC programs and pros who would upgrade every few years). I use Krita and Procreate for painting. The only reason I still have CC is for class requirements. Who wants to bet they won’t actually release iPad Ps until after the new year?
Expresii has the best watercolor
Cianna Coleman procreate 5 is having a watercolour feature hopefully!
9.99 a month? And its not even a procreate killer? When procreate is 10$ one time purchase? Especially with procreate 5 coming soon...yeahh nope
RayddenPrimeTV adobe will die off at this rate honestly. They deserve it!
@@marvinalberto7963 yeap, whats annoying is say you pay for this app..like 120$ for a year and you decide to not pay anymore..bamm u dnt get to keep what u been paying for..like its a drawing software not a streaming service lol...full Photoshop seem more understandable for if you are a professional artist but still..i really don't like subscription service on these kind of softwares...
Uhhhg Adobe is just highway robbery at this point. I’m going to keep supporting all the affordable alternatives to adobe..
did you try affinity designer yet?
Juzel James I’ve been trying it out for the past month or so. I’m trying to get the hang of it. I’ve only used raster based programs so there is a bit of a learning curve for me.
I understand. I'm a vector guy I really don't like raster painting so much
have you tried Expresii (Windows only) for the best watercolor yet?
Nelson Chu no My computer is fairly old so I avoid computer use if I can and do everything in the iPad Pro
Too little too late. Between Art Rage for watercolor, Affinity Designer for awesome vector art and pixel art, and Procreate for just highly efficient badassery we really can do without Adobe’s attempt at catching up. Imma have to hard pass on this one, plus the subscription model is so greedy. Subscription models might work for entertainment, but not for productivity. Especially in an increasingly mobile-centric work environment.
In the PC, nothing beats for watercolor a gorgeous wonder like it is Rebelle 3.
@@3polygons Expresii does
@@ExpresiiPaint Not sure if I've heard of it, will check that app for sure.
@@ExpresiiPaint It seems very watery type of watercolor ? (ie, Japanese old stamp style...) Like a particular style with it. I do like more of a dry / controlable watercolor... Also, it seems unlike Rebelle, it does not have acrylics or other media (I was already a bit let down with that it seems Rebelle does not have oils ...)
True that I'm mostly focused in oils/acrylics, but often need to do watercolor stuff, too.
Still, I find it really good, but a stretch for a hyper realistic painter used to acrylics, oils and drier, western like watercolors... :) Will be very sure to check the trial, though. I don't leave a single app of this kind untested, lol.
It also the site tries to sell too much the idea that Chinese brush painting is superior to western painting style... IMO, not the best way to sell to westerners, lol. But I guess is great for their own market. I need a tad more control over the paint... Still, in some screenshots it seems you can tune it for more dry and controlled strokes... Yes, "water paints by its own", and all that stuff we know since always, but it is just one style more, not the one-and-all where art must only go. One needs a tool to be able to paint in many different styles, in my opinion. Among other things, because in real life an illustrator needs to work for very different projects and clients.
Very positive points are that it says it can use 12k x12k canvases, and Rebelle already struggles with those quite... also that it can work even with just a gt 730 (a 30 -40 bucks video card!)...I have just a crappy 1050 2GB, but is quite better than that, so, will check it. Also good the great variability and realism of the effect over textured paper and variability in every stroke, very natural. My test will be if I can use it for a "western style of painting". Otherwise is of no use to me (or another painters like me).
More like the Adobe killer
ah man... I already shut off all of my Adobe apps and changed to Affinity apps. Most of time I use Procreate for any time of artworks and I used it since the beginning time introduced. I don't like subscription based apps and I absolutely hated.
Procreate still takes the win for me. It's waaaay better for me.
I’ll keep procreate for me. It looks nice but I love not paying for a subscription lol (additionally I’ve already stopped paying for my cloud account)
Not for this little black duck. I still insist on a piece of software I buy being something I own, not that I'm allowed to borrow
@@TheChameleon2008 well, it is their fault for doing bad business practice, so...
Since Fresco has vector brushes, does it have stroke editing tools like Illustrator, Clip Studio, Affinity Designer etc. or is that something they're looking to add later?
You kinda said this in the end but is it only available for the Ipad for now? I have a surface pro and I have Creative Cloud. I would love to use a program that is similar to ProCreate
I canceled my adobos Abo since I Stopped using photoshop.. I switched to procreate bc it super user friendlie intuitive fast and feels natural. The low price for procreate is just a bonus. I would happily pay up to 200€ for procreate bc I think it is really that good.
Fresco.. it looks good in a vacuum... nice brushes and all.
If u already have a adobe Abo for university or work it’s ok but I would never pay for fresco alone.
I know it looks nice but who uses watercolor brushes that often ?
Adobe sketch is a free app with great watercolor brushes. I just use that
It’s good if you already have a adobe subscription, otherwise it’s a big nope
Cute pfp :3
Jid is not even good. Is so slow it hurts
I totally agree with the comments that the Adobe subscription model sucks...but Fresco has a lot of great features WITHOUT the subscription. Just download it and have fun, there’s a lot to play with without subscribing. No Adobe cloud or Photoshop integration, but who cares. Also agree that Procreate is fantastic.
H. Max I agree with you, I’m cool playing around and having fun, the real problem I have is that to save all of the things I’ve created, or to view them outside of the app isn’t possible without the subscription. They only give you the option to output your artwork as a low res version without a subscription. That’s a slap in the face
Paul Massiah Thank you for that note...I haven’t exported anything yet. I wonder if watercolors can be up-res’d in PS or Affinity Photo without altering the artistic intent?
"They showed some cool brushes and everybody drooled,... but what I want is an app that I can draw and ink with."
Does an entire review showing brushes with no drawing or inking.
I had installed Adobe Fresco yesterday, and shocked with the price. Now i realize, i want give more bucks for Procreate creators! you guys awesome. Loved Procreate!!!
Perhaps this is from captain obvious, the main advantage to Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. is that HR/hiring managers throw those requirements out on job postings, and even though one can make just as good of a product with other software, they will pass you over if you don’t have Adobe in your repertoire.
that's certain. But some of us are already pros in the entire Adobe Suite, and at home prefer Affinity (in Windows, in my case). Mastering the Adobe suite is the only sensible thing to do if pursuiting a career in the industry. But then again, it would not make sense to focus on the ipad for that! The pro field require you to work in Mac and Windows environments. So, in the iPad it has no sense that they'd compete like they do in the desktop. Industry pros, specially those in a large staff, are not gonna be using the iPad other than to bring stuff from home, or the like. And most iPad users being hobbyists or lone wolves aka freelancers that can work alone, and not doing work for a ton of clients that require full fledged PSD files with latest CC layers features. With PS, AI and ID. When not even After Effects. So, that they apply same concept for the ipad, same price even than PS photography plan, makes zero sense. The ipad users are by large hobbyists, or indy illustrator/comic artists, when not just students. Not someone handling Zbrush, Surface Painter, having all time the game engine loaded, and maybe Maya or 3DS Max as well, for fast hot linking. It's not to the iPad users to which you can put the pressure they can put over desktop pros. The ransom system wont work in the ipad, wehre these type of users have already Procreate, Art Studio, and the Affinity suite.
Not on the iPad Pro. It’s a very different market.
9.99/month for a worse version of Procreate? no thanks
Zemo lol
i already have CC (the whole thing) - I got a great deal - $42Cdn/Month for *everything*, so I've been playing with Fresco - love it. I still need to learn so much of it - but it's a fun process.
Finally a useful comment...
Will you be doing another review now that time has passed. I’m trying to get to know fresco before trying procreate so I stay focussed
I think alot of people are missing the fact that, you don't need to sign up to use the app. It locks certain brushes, cloud storage and the ability to save as a psd file behind the subscription. Just after messing around with the app for a bit, I'd say about 85% of the app is available for free. I never felt particularly limited, when I was using it.
So... can't save psd files... is that a small thing for actual work? I dunno, I'm a PC-only pro, somethings sound to me quite strange.
@@3polygons Definitely will be a deal breaker for some. Just as someone who's not currently in the Adobe system, being able to save as PNG files is fine for me.
@@hayes_1199 I know what you mean. And I agree, for those cases. I do need to provide PSDs with all layers, and need to use certain tricks for clients I deal with for home/freelancing stuff, as some of the alternative tools, in Windows/desktop environment, do provide with "some" support of PSD, layered. But forget about delivering layers with FX, or what's worse, receiving a layered with FX PSD file. And that means, in my experience, and while I pick the clients and gigs (so, I already leave out a TON of potential clients), 50% of gigs are out of the current market (meaning small and medium business, or large companies) scope for someone not having the Adobe cloud and a desktop PC/Mac. And even those which can deal with it (like I do), it has meant cumbersome tricks (not possible with only the iPad, btw, but that's me and my consideration that a _full pro_ needs mainly the PC/Mac, and then can have the iPad as a companion tool, no matter how excellent it is)
Besides that, a PNG is a RGB-only file... Even 3 recent big projects would have reverted into disaster if I could only depend on that, and not in FULL CMYK export, as a PDF/x-4 and PDF/X-1a, embedding actually the very specific CMYK color profile used by each print company.
For my own leisure, or even, as much, participating in contests, etc... yeah, usually no need for anything than a PNG, neither the need of a PC or Mac, for just those uses.
But I know what you mean: Certain users do not need these things at all (mostly hobbyists, or people learning the ropes yet, or people lucky to have only some very limited and specific output/file preparation needs, maybe for a single and particular client....)
Always love getting an update from you. Thank you, sir!
I do feel like this would be a great app for those who's already sticking with Adobe Creative Cloud, but I don't see much reasons to get this as a standalone thing over a 10$ Procreate which seems to have much more polished features. In fact I would rather recommend CSP for Ipad (a month is a dollar less than Fresco?) if one could afford and don't mind a subscription drawing app that much.
Your Fresco files are stored on the cloud freeing up space on your iPad. I also enjoy that all my works are already there when I open Fresco on another device. Probably explains the need for a monthly subscription to pay for cloud space.
Is this an adobe marketing bot?
@@davidwolter8541 no, just a real-estate software engineer, husband, father that draws for fun, got invited by Adobe to help beta test the new Fresco app. I'm not a regular adobe user. I don't have history with Photoshop. Sketchbook Pro on windows and Procreate on the iPad were my go to tools before...but now I drink Fresco Flavored Kool-aid.
Zero chance. Ten bucks per month. LoL. No thanks.
Thanks for the review!
I have been Beta Testing Fresco and I also like Procreate a lot. I think they both have their own pros and cons and don't necessarily need to be in a life or death struggle. However as part of a professional workflow with other CC2019 apps I will probably be using Fresco.
Is there a limited amount ro layers depending the canvas size? I hate that restriction in Procreate.
Just a heads up - you can still do a loooooot without the upgrade, just with the free version. Including water colors. Actually, I wish Brad talked a little about the features that you only get when you pay.
I bet the "Dry Layer" stops any existing bleeding effects but as soon as you start painting again, the layer is no longer dry.
Rebelle 3 does that much better, and with impressive realism. I kindda like it even more than Corel Painter's.
Can you adjust the thickness of the oil or is it always super thick impasto?
Subscription based art programs like clip studio and this, really hurt.
Your iPad Pro looks like it has a matte surface, do you mind sharing the product or link you have on it? I'm looking at getting LikePaper.
Wow! Been waiting for your take. Thanks Brad
I have a question.... After watching your video and several others, I thought I would give Fresco a try. I have an Adobe Photoshop sub.. So why not log in and test it out. So far, it's nice but I noticed something when I was trying to print one of my pieces and this is where the question comes in. Have you tried to print any of your pieces? When I saved my jpeg and brought it into photoshop on my desktop. I went to print and photoshop would not let me print, I found a work around but thought it was odd.
Hmm, no I havn't tried printing anything. That is super weird.
@@thebradcolbow very weird.
The free version of this app is actually great. Very little you need from the subscription-only features. I love the live blending paint
Hey does this have a grid setting like Procreate to draw straight lines? That, and the ability to snap to shape like Procreate? I use it for logo design and I love the vector brush Fresco has. It'll allow for much cleaner Image Trace in Illustrator. Would love to see Procreate create a vector brush.
On adobe website it said fresco is a “freemium model”. A free starter plan and a premium plan. But it doesn’t say it will charge us 9.9/month after 6 months. Where can I find more information about that?
Thank you for the review Brad! We put a lot of thought into the Fresco UI and how things works, so we are happy you noticed!
It really really shows. I’m looking forward to where things go from here :)
There's no bitmap blender brushes by default (not at all on free version), no channel curves, no Hue/Saturation/Brightness. Transformations are just scaling and rotation; no deformation/skewing/perspective/warp. No liquify. Yo can't create brushes inside Fresco, you can't even modify the grain or brush tip.
However, has some good features. The watercolor is very nice, and reacts even to any bitmap; it only lacks a water visualization (as Rebelle). The UI is very good. Is responsive. Memory management seems good (there's no limitations on layers). It's a very nice app if you already hace an Adobe CC subscription (only Complete or Photoshop, Fresco isn't included on Photography plan).
It's a shame it has too many limitations on free versiones. They must have dropped a 'one time payment' option. Today, one month payment it's expensive as all Procreate.
So can you continue in Photoshop on Mac/PC with-in the app?
Does it fully support abr photoshop brushes? Thats a big missing feature in procreate
I wonder if you can export the vector layers as eps or ai files?
Honestly I wasn’t even going to try it for free because I am still so busy and happy with Procreate, but then I saw the watercolour effects and I was impressed. Still no way I’m buying it for $10 a month, but that’s a pretty exciting and impressive feature. I’m hoping it inspires some Procreate people like Procreate inspired this overpriced Adobe product. Thanks for going through the features Brad!
If you have a Windows or Mac desktop, try Rebelle 3 for amazing and unrivaled watercolor effects. Nothing beats them in that. In no platform. Is 89 bucks, but worth every penny.
Try Expresii on the PC and you'll be even more impressed! :) And I think 3Polygons now thinks Expresii is better. :)
I just got my first iPad and have tried a few art apps. So far Fresco is my absolute favourite. There are some features missing, but I can work around them so far. I agree with others about Adobe’s pricing. We’re I not a (reluctant) subscriber of the creative suite, I would not pay the monthly fee to use it. Procreate also seems amazing, but it’s less intuitive, so I’ll have to learn a bit more to give it a fair shot. I basically bought my iPad in order to use Procreate. Fresco is a very happy bonus.
What device and equipment are you using at 10:15? That's awesome
What do you think about using the free version?
Brad, what screen protector are you using? Also saw you used a glove the other day, where can I get one like that please?
Can you erase by holding down the Apple pencil on a brush stroke? (like in Draw)
Procreate's drastically shifted consumer expectations with their one-time inexpensive price. It's no longer necessary to plunk down hundreds of dollars just to produce digital work. Adobe Suite's still cornered the professional market, but smaller apps have released the stronghold they had on independent artists.
My husband and I are pretty much tethered to Adobe CC for the time being (Adobe is practically industry standard at most studios and no free/cheap animation program meets our needs), so I may try Fresco out since it's free for us anyway. The watercolor brush behavior looks absolutely sublime. But man, $120 annually is a lot to ask for a mobile app.
To chime in with the others singing Procreate's praises, I really haven't used PS for personal art or individual commission work lately. I might transfer work done in another app just to export in a specific format or use a few PS-specific features, but that's about it. Procreate and Clip Studio Paint got PS beat as an illustration tool and overall user friendly experience. The gateway to digital illustration and animation has greatly expanded and Adobe needs to loosen up.
Many people do not know there's even more organic digital watercolor out there. Watercolor in low resolution is not good for professional work. Take a look at Expresii (for Windows) - more beautiful digital watercolor in much higher resolution then Fresco.
Hey brad will this be available to the surface pro 6 or is it only on the X?
At least it's got dark interface and you can adjust pressure sensitivity. But I'll see what I can do with the brushes I have. Bit of a pain to get the brushes in but found a work around
Im very new at digital art and have only been using Sketchable on my Surface Pro, I got that computer because I needed one over just a tablet at the time, digital art has always been on the agenda, and I would get Procreate if they offered for Windows but Im using Fresco as a substitute and Im fairly satisfied other than the subscription cost.
Appreciate the review. Fresco looks cool, etc., and I’m sure it’s pretty polished but nope... won’t be paying for that. Definitely sticking with Procreate ✌️
Total noob question, how do I get this from my creative suite on to my iPad , and does it work with original iPad Pro and pencil?
I have a CC plan. How do I get Fresco. I logged into my account on my Iphone but it doesn't let me get software.
I had the email updates on for when the app dropped and I didn’t get anything for some reason. Can’t wait to try it out!
How do you set up your camera to record yourself drawing on the ipad pro? Thank you.
Since I already have a full account, having this Adobe app is actually very nice to include in my toolset. Yes, like so many I totally love and use Procreate but this app has one / that many have asked for in Procreate for some time that may never be available in Procreate: Vector drawing. I use Fresco now for many Vector based drawings now where I might use Adobe Illustrator for iPad before.
So since it’s available for me, there it is to use and for the task, I like it. Procreate remains my go to for pixel drawings. I like having both.
Does it emulate paper texture at all?
Thanks for making this video, Brad. Our team worked a long, long time on getting Fresco out the door, and we are proud of this work, but we are already right back on the job working on the next release. Fresco is an ever-evolving work in progress with many features and tools on the way, as well as many improvements. It’s worth mentioning that there is a free version of the app that anybody can use, and this free version has plenty to work with. In the top right corner of the home screen, there is an option to see what new features are coming, as well as a place to suggest features. We are reading those daily and compiling - please tell us what you want! Quick comment about using pure water or using the oils without any pigment: you can tap on the transparent circle at bottom right of your color wheel to instantly access this state with the live brushes. With watercolors, this allows you to paint with pure water (I recommend setting wetness to roughly 40% and flow to about the same for best effects). With the oils, you can use this same transparent pixel to actually blend any colors that are already on the canvas! Also, drawing a straight line with ‘zip-line’ is possible by using the ‘experimental’ preference in the app settings (top right corner, gear-shaped icon). Thanks again.
Thanks Kyle, all the hard work really shows. I’m looking forward to taking a deeper dive into the brushes, I’ve been using the water colors and the more familiar I become the more loving it. oil paint (both real and digital) is still a bit of a mystery to me, thanks for the advice :)
Just tried it. Exporting is a bit of a pain but not unmanageable compared to Draw. I use vectors exclusively. Fresco (as far as I can tell) only lets you export as a PDF (which flattens all layers from fresco to the PDF, but retains their vector shapes), or as a PSD (which maintains layers but converts the vector data into raster data). Pretty awful so far in my experience.
Does Procreate have watercolor brushes like these ?
I love procreate. You don't have to get sucked into monthly subscriptions and yet procreate are always working on and releasing new features for the app!
Is fresco free only in my country ?
The price is not an issue as I have a creative cloud account for my design apps. So Fresco is a nice addition (even though technically I am still paying for it). I have only played with the app for a couple days. The live brushes are definitely cool. The oil brushes seem to mix better than what I get in procreate, but maybe I just have not found the right settings in procreate yet. The watercolor is cool, but I have not used it enough to know if it can really be controlled well. My biggest issue is that i am so used to procreate now, that i find the layer masking to select painted content in Fresco to be a bit annoying.
One thing i noticed is when I grouped layers together, I could not work on the layers in the group. It seemed to only function as a way to move content around across multiple layers... So you would have to ungroup the layers every time you want to edit or add. Also you cannot name layers as far as I can tell, which is a problem if you are painting in white on the layer, as the layer preview thumbnail just looks blank... so if you have multiple layers with white only on them... you will not know what is on each layer unless you click them on and off.
It definitely will not replace procreate which is a much more powerful, robust program. Now if procreate can implement a watercolor brush that was as good as Rebelle 3, then Adobe will just have to shelve this program. I wonder if adobe will ever decide to release Photoshop for the Ipad, and if it will have access to the live brushes natively... My issue with most adobe apps including fresco is they just seem to lack too many features. I am hoping Photoshop for ipad will live up to the promise.
Expresii raised the bar for organic and high resolution watercolor. Don't aim for low-res watercolor like in Fresco or Rebelle.
Nelson Chu thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately for me, I run in a Mac ecosystem, so running Expressi would require buying a pc with a decent graphics card and processor, or dealing with installing bootcamp on my laptop to run it. I will keep it in mind though and hope they either port it to the Mac, or I finally decide to break away from Macs
@@nelsonchu1343 Do you know if the tilt feature in Expresii requires using it on a Surface Pro, or can you get it to tilt on a laptop. I may try using this software on my Mac running it on windows via dashboard.
@@davidgordon7457 I'm the creator of Expresii. I don't have the resource to port it to Mac yet. You can always just use a GUI control, a game controller or even your Android phone instead of the G-sensor built-in your tablet PC to control the paper tilt. I think probably you will run into issue if not via bootcamp. See expresii.forumotion.net/t261-mac-users-wanting-to-use-expresii
You mentioned oil mixing too. Take a look at Fresh Paint and the tech behind it: ua-cam.com/video/WFwi0qLV8hQ/v-deo.html (yes, I made that oil and pastel). You will love the oil there. I left MS in 2011 and the team maintaining Fresh Paint messed up a few things, but still it's worth checking out. It's a free app on the Windows App Store.
How do u feel about the upcoming procreate 5 update? They said it's going to be a competitor for this app
Honestly, I'd love wet colors on my Photoshop. I'd love to see Fresco on the PC.
Some of the newer versions of Photoshop have wet colours, it's a special version of the paint brush (right click on the paintbrush icon)
If just for watercolor on the PC, you should really consider Expresii. Hardware-wise, you just need a good GPU for a smooth run. See a demo ua-cam.com/video/0c0Ca-pZgUc/v-deo.html
@@mothdust2480 If you like watercolor that really flows, you should try Expresii on the PC
Great review! Been testing it out myself for a knee-jerk reaction type video I’m making. Totally agree that this is the first drawing app for the iPad that adobe has thought through and user tested ha. Though it will take a lot to replace Procreate for me.
Oh I would so like to use this. One reason to upgrade from an iPad Air 2 is that it doesn’t support this new app
Would you make an update for 2021? I'm about to get an iPad Pro to keep my digital drawing journey and I would like to know if I stay with Fresco or move to Procreate. Thank you for your videos dude! Greetings from Colombia :D
The circle puck for the watercolor allows you to just add water! The puck for the oil allows you to blend.
There is thing called "alpha lock" or something in Procreate and i cant find it in Adobe Fresco. Can someone help me please? 🙏 sorry about my eng.
I love procreate, but I have to work in big files for printing, and I was so sad because procreate limits your layer amount the bigger your files are , so no I have to find a different drawing program, I hope fresco will work out for me. Luckily my art style is in watercolor.
I use adobe fresco for all of my illustrations and so far it’s been a great experience.I haven’t upgraded yet but the number of preset brushes are pretty great.What came of as a surprise is that I have been using the same techniques as on real canvas sheet and the results are similar. Not disappointed at all😍😍
I hope I am not missing anything here🤔 coz being able to work with presets is pretty dope💫
"Okay, what's this Fresco I've been hearing about lately? I'll check this video out ..."
"To start with, it's 10 bucks a month"
"Okay. Cool. Sayonara"
Does the adobe fresco allow us to use/import photoshop brush .abr or tool preset?
Procreate 5 will in its next free update. So there’s that.
I have testet it tonight either and feel that fresco lacks some basic features like symmetry ruler. And shame that export to psd is only in subscription program. Thanks for your videos Brad, Im watching every little one.
I tuned out somewhat once you mentioned the price: Subscription. That makes it a non-starter for me. Still interesting, and worth it for many.
So, I'm lucky/privileged that my school this year gave all its students Adobe CC for free so that I was able to try it w/o a trial or the subscription. I've found that I'm unable to establish a similar or better smooth workflow in Fresco like I am with procreate. For starters, I tend to import & export my files back & forth between a variety of programs so that's how I tried to start off, I exported a PSD I was working on into Fresco, which it opened w/ all of my layer styles etc. the same but when I tried to use the live paint brush it refused to work unless I shrink my canvas & image to a lil over 4000px-- which is incredibly limiting for me. Considering Procreate is able to handle my 5400x7200px/18x24" 300ppi just fine w/ a layer cap at 9, which is plenty for me as I tend to merge layers often. So I scrunk the image which-- is weird how they did it? You adjust the canvas and then transform all the contents to fit the canvas which was quite annoying to align to all the edges. Once I started painting, the brushes all seem a tad laggy. Maybe it's bc I'm using the 1st gen ipad pro, but honestly lag has never been an issue w/ this device due to hardware performance, it's always bc of the internet connection I have. The watercolor live brushes didn't really feel smooth and freeing like it does look in this and the demos in the app. When i tried to save & exit, Fresco saving the downsized file was taking foreeeevvver. I ended up giving up & auto-closing.Perhaps, all of these issues can be avoided if I worked and started in the app vs started w/ an import but uhhh-- if I can't move files between programs for any reason, I end up stop using that program entirely. CSP for instance on the iPad was great, is a huuge pain in the ass to work w/ when it came to moving files back & forth. I stopped using csp bc of it. Either way, this program kinda feels hella gimmicky in comparison to the others that people use (procreate, the one that borodante uses that I can't remember, or autodesk sketchbook pro etc.). I might try again w/ a blank canvas in the program and see if I can make anything cool/report back w/ my findings but as for now 🤷🏽♂️ sorry Adobe, maybe 50 updates later & it will be good?
It’s going to be a great app for current adobe subscribers.
Procreate is definitely gonna be ahead for a while longer, fresco is still really young.
And we’re still waiting for photoshop on the iPad which is due for release, which will definitely steal the limelight since it will also support Kyle’s amazing brushes.
I would have just made “fresco” a “persona” for photoshop on iPad. That way you have one app and engine to update - but you can fork the experience and features pricing.
Would be interesting to see how those watercolor brushes work on lower-end iPads - Air and 6th n 7th gen default iPads. Usually, these brushes are resource-hungry if PC apps are of any indication.
I am using procreate since loong, and what is missing is the Live brushes that fresco has .. ..rebelle 3 came out first why procreate team is still withholding such feature i can`t get it!!!!
I almost feel like it's too late for Adobe in this area. Procreate is already so embedded in the art community. There is so much content (tutorials, training videos, classes, etc) for Procreate. Take Photoshop on PC, for example. There are several other art programs on desktop computers, but people just seem to keep right on using Photoshop. Other applications come out with some cool new feature and people seem initially impressed, but then go right back to Photoshop when they really need to get stuff done. Maybe it's because they are used to it and don't want to have to re-learn a new app. Maybe it's because there is so much stuff out there related to Photoshop already. The same may end up being true of Procreate. We'll see. The subscription requirement is definitely going to hurt them. Kyle is a master brush maker though, so that should help. I do agree that Adobe could probably own the Android market if they tried. Android is seriously lacking in that area and Procreate seems to have no interest in going to other platforms. We will see how it all shakes out. I'm sticking to Procreate for now. It's such a great value.
it is because the entire industry depends on Adobe's workflows, companies pipelines are deeply tied to Adobe. It is because, REALLY, Adobe PS and Illustrator go beyond ANYTHING in complexity and features of you can find in every platform, be it iPad, Mac, Linux or Windows. Simple as that. That said by someone that uses to his work Affinity Photo and Designer (and I too hate subscription model). And Clip Studio Paint, and Krita. And willing to purchase next Rebelle 3 for Windows. I have full knowledge and training of each alternative, almost. So, nope, is not for habits. I master the use of Blender, Inskcape and Gimp. And those are said to be really hard to learn. The reasons why a lot of pros go back to PS, AI, etc, is because the alternatives are yet lacking a lot of functionality compared to Adobe's. But hobbyists do not notice it, as what they need feature-wise is waaaay more basic. That said, Affinity is slowly catching up. For purely painting, even in Windows, if you don't have to make complex client work for a bunch of companies, well, I'd just use Clip Studio Paint, Rebelle, Art Rage, Krita, Corel Painter. All them are better for painting than PS. They are just *NOT* better (indeed very incomplete, as are the iPad solutions) for what really is needed for full complex projects where is not just you in your own and your canvas. This said, for anyone just painting on their own (hobbyists, students, or pros that can afford the luxury of not keeping compatibility AND workflows that Adobe apps require and provide. In the professional fields, this is a minority), the subscription in their case makes zero sense. Most people here paint for the love of it, in sessions of 2 - 3 hours top on average ( I know... when I was a hobbyist I'd put 10 hours a day if I'd have the time. Like me, some others. But trust me, is not the majority).
hey brad, I think it would interesting since you cover a lot of Adobe stuff to do A video where you talk about and show where adobe fresco for iPad is now, compared to what is was then
Finally! Ever since that iPad Pro keynote, I’ve been waiting for Adobe to release the full version of Photosh..........they made WHAT?! And they want $10 a month to use a Photoshop action disguised as a watercolor brush?
And they wonder why we left. 😑
I can't wait to get the Windows tablet version as well