Marantz AMP 10 200 watt x 16CH Amplifier Bench Test Results!

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  • Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
  • The Marantz Amp 10 (MSRP: $7,000) is a 200 watt x 16CH amplifier that utilizes the latest ICE Edge Class D topology with a custom built SMPS regulated power supply. I put the Amp 10 through our exhaustive bench tests to see how it performs in both power capability and quality of amplification. I was pleasantly surprised with the low noise and distortion and how it was able to manage to hit rated power in my power sweep testing with up to 7 channels driven. We discuss usage cases for bridging the Amp 10 if you don't need all 16 channels in your Immersive Audio speaker set up. Could this be the best value in a single box high channel count amplifier? Read our exhaustive written bench test report and watch this video to find out.
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    0:00 Introduction
    0:50 Design Overview
    3:00 Power Supply
    3:45 Bluejeans cable
    5:45 Amp Gain
    6:01 Frequency Response
    7:15 FFT Distortion
    9:30 Power Tests
    12:40 Unique Feature
    15:08 Bridged Test
    18:30 Dynamic Headroom
    20:00 Power Table
    20:53 SNR
    22:00 Crosstalk
    22:40 Trinnov vs Storm Audio?
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  • @Audioholics
    @Audioholics  Рік тому +7

    Clarification: When I stated you can't get 400 watts x 7 off a 15 amp line I meant a 120Vac. You would need almost 25A at 120Vrms to yield that kind of power output assuming the amplifier's power supply is BIG enough to generate that much current which the Amp 10 is not.

    • @techsamurai11
      @techsamurai11 Рік тому +3

      This is something that I had no idea about - I think you may want to do a video or an article explaining that. If someone has a 85 inch LED TV which consumes 250 watts, a gaming console (PS5 or XSX) that consumes another 200 watts on a 15A circuit, they have 1350 watts left for their AVP and AMP.
      I have no clue how much power an AVP consumes and some have toroidal transformers in them. Let's say the AVP consumes up to 150 watts in this scenario which then would leave you with 1,200 watts left over. As you pointed out in previous articles, Class A/B transformers are more inefficient and can actually reach crazy wattage numbers even if they are just pushing 100 watts for 7 channels (essentially it takes more power to generate the 700 watts of sound)
      Oh fudge, I totally forgot about the subwoofer. How much power does that thing need? Even if it's a SVS 3000 Micro, the specs for that say it needs 800 watts (let's forget about the 2,500 watts claim). Does that affect the amplifier then?
      I guess I'm lucky I don't have a PC with a 4090 that needs 500-600 watts or a 2nd sub - I'd need to rewire my house which I probably should have done before I built my basement. But for many people, the location of their home theater limits them to a single circuit.
      But I'm now worried that I'm starving my AVR and buying an external amp without a separate circuit to feed it would be a silly thing unless I can find an amp that has 200% efficiency (essentially it generates more sound than the power it consumes) 🙂Maybe that's the future!

    • @howardskeivys4184
      @howardskeivys4184 8 місяців тому

      Thanks for validating that. Well before you got into the analysis, my 2 mathematical brain cells had told that 16 channels at 200w would over tax the standard consumer wall mains outlet. So, is the manufacturer expecting end users to install a dedicated high power mains supply to achieve optimal performance?

    • @mohammedisaa9952
      @mohammedisaa9952 5 місяців тому +1

      YES.....im in uk,so we are lucky
      120volt needs 25 amp? circuitbreaker.
      240volt needs 12 amp? Circuitbreaker.
      We use 2.5mm diameter copper wire which can carry around 15 amps....
      Because we are on a "ring main" each socket gets 2 wires from breaker, wired around a room in a circle with 5? Double mains socket outlets on it....
      So, as a circle, each socket can get 15 + 15 amps to it (potentially)but like Christmas lights, in a real world senario, other things (like washing machine, dryer, kettle etc) are also driben off that "ring main".....
      Or "normal" fusing for each ring main is 13 amps, but i dare say one could safely up that to 15 amps and still be safe before heat damadge could occur. (Ive seen 1mm wire off a 5amp light circuit power a 2 bar electric fire that drew 8amps of power, and neither either heated up or blew the breaker......
      Soooooooo we're safe in uk, for usa, i guess get a 25amp circuit breaker (maybe for an electric shower or higher) run your equivelent of 4mm diameter copper wire into a dedicated socket..... (when i say 4mm, i mean in copper diameter csa, cross sectional area,).... and thats for the amp and power amplifier only.... ONLY !.....
      other items (record player, streamer, tape deck etc) can be run off a normal circuit at 20 amp breaker for you, and 13 for us.....
      Lear ohms law w=i×v and v=ixr where w is whatts, i is current or amperage, v is volts, and r is the resistance.....
      Watts can be dived by volts to determin current or amperadge if an item just give its usadge in watts value 👍🏻🙂👌
      2kw ÷ 240v = around 8 amps.....so use a 10amp fuse to be safe.... same maths can be used in america..... (should be the same all things being equal 😂👍🏻)
      2kw ÷ 120v = 16 amp..... soooo thats expensive regarding fuses and circuit breakers, and 2kw isnt much really....
      I guess at 120v one would realistically need 50 amp circuitbreaker (or 2x 25amp breakers) to run your avr set up safely......
      Alot of people from their wall sockets use extension plugged into extention, pluggerd into extension etc...... this is a VERY BAD PRACTICE.... as the nearest extension to the wall socket has to carry the loading of all the other extensions plugged into eachother like a chain of lights.......
      Best practice, use first extension, and then plug the other 6 extensions straight into it, and then load them up with devices, instead of chaining extensions one after another.....
      Make sure the wires in extensions are very thick and have the highest ratings for load possible (dont skimp unless you want a house fire) 💥🧯......!
      If you need a long run to your avr, 1st option is running double mains cable to your outlet socket, if you need to use an extension, for the first extension, rip out the cable and get thicker cable, (i believe earth cable can be quiet thick, and you can get sleaves at either end denoting which is earth, live and neautral, after using a meter set to ohms, to check if you have got the wires correct, platt them in a weave, (you will loose 33% of the length, so buy extra) and then insulate them to hold them together, thats how to make a higher current low loss extension, you can also buy exteriour fancy shielding and heat shrink covers for the cables to make them look prity, and them fat plugs...... i would also run that wire into a mains purifier instead of a normal extension if funds allow.......
      Hope that helps, as that is what i have done..... ana-dia-alog (my italian friend) has more on this in one of his videos how to make mains cable, and re-wire the mains purifier to get less ground loop problems and more current to devices (basically wire each plug from the board instead of to the "bars" that feeds all the plugs.... cut the bar and feed each plug directly....
      If this is a little "whooooosh" over your heads, go watch the video 🙂👍🏻.....
      Hope this helps..... take care.... 🇬🇧

  • @mohamnazeerhm2019
    @mohamnazeerhm2019 Рік тому +3

    Great review, as always Gene! New Marantz AMP 10 200 watt x 16CH Amplifier Bench Test Results! Thanks🤟

  • @Bork0r
    @Bork0r Рік тому +1

    Great review as always and a great product.

  • @shinvergil
    @shinvergil Рік тому

    Thank you for the effort and valuable review.

  • @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120

    Thanks Gene Appricate all the work put in , I have learned alot from you over 30 years !! Geez buddy we getting older '

  • @NicholasTruehl
    @NicholasTruehl Рік тому +4

    Thanks Gene! I just ordered my AMP10/AV10 combo last week.

    • @justchilling4491
      @justchilling4491 5 місяців тому

      Did you get it and if so how are you finding the marantz I’m considering getting the amp and processor combo myself

  • @philnicol8072
    @philnicol8072 Рік тому +2

    That Denmark company ICE make great Class D amp modules. Parasound and Marantz have chosen them for good reasons.
    5 channels all putting out 200w of simultaneous clean power The proof is in the pudding!

  • @roco9504
    @roco9504 Рік тому +4

    I look forward to flagship AVR’s coming out with class D amplification.

  • @krupkake1
    @krupkake1 Рік тому +5

    Sounds like we need more designs like this one but in various channel configs.

  • @angussmall
    @angussmall 10 місяців тому +1

    Great video and details Gene! Wouldn’t the frequency dip you showed at the 10:00 mark with 7 channels be an audible issue? Can you share more why this is or isn’t a big deal? (Especially since this is a multichannel amp)

  • @stojanlesoski9543
    @stojanlesoski9543 Рік тому +4

    Finally something that makes sense, a multi channel amplifier in class D. All AV receivers should be with class D amps, and limited to 7 amplified channels. For more channels only separates should be used. Great review 👍

  • @giovanni1269
    @giovanni1269 10 місяців тому

    Hey Gene love your show, and continue to learn from all your knowledge. I do have a question, I was wondering if you could dona bench test on Marantz cinema 40 for those of us that can’t afford the separates.
    It would be greatly appreciated.

  • @joppepeelen
    @joppepeelen Рік тому

    still amazing who needs that much power :)

  • @SwirlingDragonMist
    @SwirlingDragonMist Рік тому

    There’s no sign of IceEdge, on the IcePower website. So I’m thinking “edge” may demarcate engineering collaboration. This model has Marantz HDAM in it, and I wonder if that’s in theirs pre-amp processing section or built into the iceEdge modules.
    The nearest visual icepower module on the icepower website is the 300A2 with 3 small grey capacitors ahead of a ferris wheel looking inductor, and a taller black capacitor after but where we see the modules in the Marantz depart is in having a larger red capacitor. Which being red probably makes it go really fast!
    Price per icepower module is $180 and they are 2 channel. And we see 8 in this marantz for the 16 channels.
    So $1500 in power modules, and $5,500 dollars in Marantz engineering, chassis, assembly, surround processing chips and design, licensing, etc. All which Onkyo seems to pull off for $500 at Best buy. But they just skirted bankruptcy so a bit of margin is sensible. A $7,000 receiver is not. But wait this isn’t even a receiver, it’s just a power amp. The margins on this gotta be insane. I know plastic surgery is expensive, but Phil doesn’t need it. It’s safe assume all the executives are paid just as much as the line workers in Bangkok who make icemodules. So where does all the money go? To the Reptilians! Or Reps for short, and you’d only need cosmetic surgery if you were secretly a salamander.
    But I digress, when the amp 10 is arguably the best in the world and the history of all mankind thus far. One could say $150,000 is more than reasonable for the very best of all existence.
    For me, I’m goona need the sale price ha ha
    And maybe a heat lamp since it runs so cool and I suspect some of my guests to be cold blooded.
    Onkyo and their best buy Amphibians with their endless compromises to quality and performance, deceptively advertised at 1khz can get F🎉ed

  • @coreymarotta
    @coreymarotta Рік тому

    Would love to see the OSD X11 tested this way including the Storm Audio PA16 🍻🤘🏻⚡️🍿

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +1

      I definitely need to test the Storm since I have it in my theater room.

  • @neilparikh4882
    @neilparikh4882 Місяць тому

    What would you recommend for a system that is mainly two channel stereo but also in a home theater room with a 7.2.4 atmos system. AV10/Amp10 or a big integrated amp with ht bypass and a cinema30 avr?

  • @DavidSusiloUnscripted
    @DavidSusiloUnscripted Рік тому +4

    I hate you… now I want to buy one (I’ve always been a fan of ICEpower)

  • @bloodymarvelous4790
    @bloodymarvelous4790 Місяць тому

    Since you mentioned the long discontinued Denon POA-A1HD 10ch 150W amp... how do they compare?

  • @abefroman.
    @abefroman. Рік тому

    Nice review, as always Gene! Wondering if you have a update for the review of the Denon A1H?

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому

      not this year, unfortunately.

    • @abefroman.
      @abefroman. Рік тому

      @@Audioholics Wow, really? I thought it was on the short list to review?

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому

      @@abefroman. Oh I can get one right now. I'm just swamped with other projects, unfortunately.

    • @abefroman.
      @abefroman. Рік тому

      @@Audioholics Copy that. Does this mean Matthew isn't either, or...?

  • @kx8960
    @kx8960 Рік тому +1

    Hey, Paisan! Being a mechanical guy, most of the tech stuff is over my head, but I can kinda get the gist of it the way you explain it. I don't need that many channels (honestly, who actually does?), and from what I gather the NAD M28 is a cleaner, more powerful amp (if your review of the M23 is any indication) with all 7 driven anyway, so, I think that will be my next upgrade. I'm eager to hear your subjective listening review of the M23. Keep up the great work! Ciao!

  • @devinburnett4902
    @devinburnett4902 Рік тому

    Does this work with JBL SCL 6/7 speakers with 4 ohm impedance

  • @kingtspoon
    @kingtspoon Рік тому

    @Audioholics Great video G! Would you recommend this "all in one" solution over separate power amps? Considering a 7.2.4 setup, larger LCR speakers up to 500 wpc at 4 ohms, I cant decide between the AMP 10 or separate power amps. Thanks for your input.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +2

      If rack space is an issue, then yes. Amp 10 bridged is pretty awesome for front 3 LCRs.

  • @BULZAYE
    @BULZAYE Рік тому +1

    Gene, when can we get your take on sound quality? I am particularly interested in 2CH. Is it good enough to take on dedicated 2CH high performance gear? Please take into account both the AVP and AMP in your review. Thanks!

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +3

      Yes! I'm absolutely loving the sound I'm getting from this combo powering my Perlisten S7t system. It's very dynamic and clean and great transparency. I will elaborate in my formal review.

  • @BULZAYE
    @BULZAYE Рік тому +2

    Can you comment on how linear the AMP 10 is down to 2 ohms? I’ve got a pair of mains that dip below 3 ohms (2.7 to be exact).

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +2

      I didn't test into a 2 ohm load but I've been hammering this amp in bridged mode with my 4 ohm Perlisten S7ts and it's been working like a champ.

  • @RacingAnt
    @RacingAnt Рік тому

    Oh, and peak current and power output into 2 ohms is always handy to know. Most real world speakers have effective impedance dips below 2ohms. Not being able to power those dips can give issues.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +1

      Most modern speakers today typically don't dip below 3.2 ohms. With the rare exception of large monolithic towers with lots of bass drivers, of course.

    • @RacingAnt
      @RacingAnt Рік тому

      @@Audioholics the measured impedance may not, but the phase angle that gets created can create an effective impedance that's a lot lower, with current demands that are similar.

  • @Tofartony
    @Tofartony Рік тому

    Another great video im awaiting delivery of the Amp 10 plus Av10 do you think it would be ok to bi amp these speakers with my new kef R11 meta as i see they don't advise bridging many thanks

  • @Paulscole3
    @Paulscole3 10 місяців тому

    You might have mentioned this on another video but how does the Marantz 10 processor compare to the older av8805a? I have the 8805a in my main room and the 7705 in my bedroom, but I've been dying to find out if it's worth upgrading either of my units?

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  10 місяців тому +1

      AV10 is a significant upgrade on many levels. Better DACs, build quality, cleaner preamp and most importantly Dirac and Audyssey, 4 independent sub outs and better hdmi stability and functionality.

  • @jvonengeln
    @jvonengeln 7 місяців тому

    Gene, at the 10 minute mark where you were talking about the dip at 70Hz. Was that dip consistently at 70Hz always, or was it an attenuation where the amp power supply ran out of power playing the lower frequency portion of the sweep and then attenuated everything briefly which happened to coincide with the 70Hz portion of the sweep. and released the clamp shortly after at the 70Hz portion of the sweep to resume full power output? IE. If you had a slower sine wave sweep would the dip be at a lower Hz? Or a faster sweep the dip be at a higher Hz? Or was it 70Hz consistently?

    • @jvonengeln
      @jvonengeln 7 місяців тому

      And later at the 12 minute mark where you said it delivers 200 watts per channel at 7 channels. Was that just the 1Khz test? Seeing that at the 10 minute mark you said it was dipping out at 70Hz ish? (Assuming less power when FR isn’t flat?)

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  7 місяців тому

      Honestly I didn't dig too deep into this issue since it was all 7CH driven and it WAS a relatively slow sweep of 500ms and not a real world use scenario. This was my only test result Marantz wasn't able to replicate.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  7 місяців тому

      @@jvonengeln Anytime I test an amp with more than 2CH drive, it's done as a 1kHz sweep. 2CH and below are continuous fullbandwidth.

  • @denniso9503
    @denniso9503 Рік тому +1

    Impressive numbers Gene , but do you think its time to replace my 2 Lexicon zx-7 amplifiers ? 🤔

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +1

      not if you're happy with your current amplifiers.

  • @corneliuscurry6892
    @corneliuscurry6892 10 місяців тому

    How does this setup "AV 10 and AMP 10" sound for two channel playback? I have a Rega turntable and Biuesound Node for streaming.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  10 місяців тому +1

      Excellent. I've been loving music on this gear.

  • @jondoe9510
    @jondoe9510 7 місяців тому

    @audioholics I’m running a 14 channel arendal 1723 setup. Is the amp10 strong enough to power 13 4ohm speakers ? I’m running an av10 with dual monolith 7x amps currently.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  7 місяців тому

      Yes but you already have good amplification. I probably wouldn't change it if everything is working.

  • @ptroy72blue
    @ptroy72blue Рік тому

    Well how does it sound?

  • @MichelLinschoten
    @MichelLinschoten Рік тому

    So I would just a 16 channel pre amp and a stack of crowns xls (even more power) and probably still have money left...
    .
    Silly comparison? Is it? I mean for 7k you can find some incredible componentry not being class D...
    I don't know but just a thought , would you as reader buy this amp....or keep looking around ?
    I feel that's fair to wonder

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +1

      Sure if you want to use sound reinforcement amps in home theater and you don't care about noise and distortion, Crown is a cheaper alternative.

  • @bingdong8571
    @bingdong8571 Рік тому +1

    Switching class d is the future. It just takes time i think

    • @SwirlingDragonMist
      @SwirlingDragonMist Рік тому

      The high frequency region is still tricky for them. From what gene showed this one looks really good through the audible range, but we still see some roll off there, and there may be some more frictions there with certain speakers, ones that aren’t readily perceptible in these static resistive load measurements.

    • @techsamurai11
      @techsamurai11 Рік тому +1

      It's tough - I love toroidals...

  • @corneliuscurry6892
    @corneliuscurry6892 10 місяців тому

    I would only need 11 channels with my AV 10. That is 9 total channels with fronts Bi amped. Would this be over kill?

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  10 місяців тому +1

      There's no such thing as overkill on this channel.

  • @ollifz3130
    @ollifz3130 Рік тому

    Can you say something about the fan noise?

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +1

      I never heard the fans engage in my testing or in use

  • @justinbeamon6624
    @justinbeamon6624 Рік тому +3

    If im buying separates of this price it has to be rated all channels driven. Unfortunately i understand with this many channels I imagine its just not possible. I'd rather a 7 channel and a 9 channel each delivering full rated power all channels driven.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +2

      and if you plug both amps into the same outlet, you still aren't getting rated power at "All channels driven".

    • @techsamurai11
      @techsamurai11 Рік тому

      @@Audioholics Exactly, what happens with 15A outlets. Is there any point to me getting a 8 channel Hypex 502 which has 350 WPC all channels driven. That's 2.8kW which is way over my 1.8kW.
      Not to mention that I have my TV connected there, my AVR, and my Xbox/PS5 and they all draw power.
      And it's all going through my Belkin Surge Protector.
      What powers would I be getting? Is there any point to getting an external amplifier if I already have a Marantz SR8000 series for 5 channels (bi-amping LR)?

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому

      @Tech Samurai only for sheer dynamics. Most people don't have speakers that would benefit, though.

    • @Geerladenlad
      @Geerladenlad Рік тому

      You have to go multiple circuits in your room.
      Have it professionally done though so you can avoid grounding noise problems!
      I added extra circuits in my room and I was astonished him much my powered subs opened up with all that extra current available! 👍

    • @techsamurai11
      @techsamurai11 Рік тому

      @@Geerladenlad Unfortunately, I've finished my basement so there's no way to rewire anything for my main system which is in the living room (not in the basement). Can that be done at the junction box?

  • @gordthor5351
    @gordthor5351 Рік тому +4

    Obviously it can't run all 16 channels anywhere near 200watts. At 90% efficiency it would be drawing more than 3500 watts, which is way more than a 20A breaker can handle, let alone what most people have (15A breaker). It was clipping with 7 channels driven. No need to test anymore channels.

  • @aaronao1
    @aaronao1 5 місяців тому

    But Sparechange says it didn't sound good?? how do we explain his results??

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  5 місяців тому

      He uses crappy cables

    • @aaronao1
      @aaronao1 5 місяців тому

      Haha. I'm thinking of getting an AV10? I saw your comment on AVS which said if channel count is below 15, get an AV10 over a Trinnov and pocket the change? Does this still stand? I'm about to pull the trigger on one or the other. :) @@Audioholics

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  5 місяців тому

      @aaronao1 absolutely 💯. We have affiliate links for all 3 processors in the video description, but I would still pick the AV 10 or AVM90 over Trinnov for 15CH or less processing.

  • @dadevastator24_77
    @dadevastator24_77 Рік тому

    Marantz should have made it a 17 channel amp instead of a 16 because the AV10 actually has 17 channels, but only supports 15 channels at a time. The 2 extra channels that the AV10 has are switchable, so that you can take advantage of all the audio formats without have to sacrificing channels. This way you can setup 17 speakers in your room for all audio formats

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +2

      Umm no. Adding 2 more channels for a very low use case isn't worth the cost.

  • @RacingAnt
    @RacingAnt Рік тому

    Would be really interested to see THD vs frequency. A lot of class D amps are clean as at 1khz, but have rising distortion (in some cases, quite alarmingly) as frequency rises. This leads to their reputation as being cold, hard and brittle sounding, with a rough treble.
    Purifi modules don't do this. I don't know about the modules used here.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +4

      I checked this and the AMP 10 was clean full bandwidth, fortunately.

    • @RacingAnt
      @RacingAnt Рік тому

      Good to know. Thanks for the reply.

    • @gregdee9085
      @gregdee9085 Рік тому

      Ud be surprised that analog amps have the same problem, thus the "slew rate" spec and "full power bandwidth" (reviewer didn't mention at what power he tested at, critical, amateur to miss this). This is an area Bryston was famous for.

    • @gregdee9085
      @gregdee9085 Рік тому

      ​@@Audioholics but at what power?? Critical part of that measure. Ie "slew rate", class D is notoriously low, even the best tech out of TI analog. ( pretty amature to miss this in 2023).

    • @RacingAnt
      @RacingAnt Рік тому

      @@gregdee9085 rarely get to more than 10 watts at 10khz+, so doesn't really matter at what power. But, Purifi modules are clean, even at full power. Fact that the frequency response didn't droop at full power is also a good sign for these modules.
      Class A/B amps tend to 2nd/3rd harmonic distortion, which is smooth & warm sounding. Class D (they're still analogue, by the way - class D is not digital) tend to have higher orders, which is why they can sound hard and brittle.

  • @williemclean3224
    @williemclean3224 Рік тому

    7,000 ? Ouch!

  • @homeboi808
    @homeboi808 Рік тому +4

    Why not Amp 16?

    • @AlanBCDang
      @AlanBCDang Рік тому +3

      Marantz likes lower numbers for higher end products. The -10 is their reference flagship. PM-10 for best “pre main” (integrated amp). SA-10 (super audio CD). Now AV and AMP 10 for the home theater flagships.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +3

      Agreed. Makes no sense. 😅

    • @Tofartony
      @Tofartony Рік тому +1

      Another great video I'm based in the UK and awaiting delivery of the AV10 and Amp10 I'm planning on connecting this amp to my new Kef R11 Meta I see you mentioned against bridging but do you think bi amping would be OK??many thanks

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому

      @@Tofartony yes biamping is safe for 4 ohm loads on the Amp 10.

  • @janthomassrensen1065
    @janthomassrensen1065 Рік тому

    How does it sound though? I watched Shane Lees review and he absolutely didn´t like it. Not a big open sound, but boxed in and lacking detail in the fine highs. Maybe that´s just the Marantz signature sound, but didn´t sound very impressive and it sounds like a product You´d be better off passing for better options

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +2

      Shane didn't like the sound bc the batteries in his Audioquest cables died 😉 This amp sounds great in my room.

  • @BoudewijnvanHouten
    @BoudewijnvanHouten Рік тому

    Who needs 16 channels... Rather have a Marantz SM1000.

  • @kirkcunningham6146
    @kirkcunningham6146 Рік тому

    No Poweramp is perfect however, it better be for 7 grand! Even if i had the money, i wouldn't buy it. You can buy three good quality 5 channel amps at 2 grand a piece and have a grand left over and be happy and satisfied. I know that doesn't equal what the Marantz offers but I'm just trying to put things in perspective.I love Denon and Marantz but thats crazy money for an amp thats not perfect! 🤟

    • @QAT4969
      @QAT4969 29 днів тому

      what are the amps u refered to 2k cost for 5 channel amps?

    • @QAT4969
      @QAT4969 29 днів тому

      can i know what are the other 2 grand 5 channel amps u're referring to?

  • @kevonmanuel
    @kevonmanuel Рік тому +7

    Gene,
    This amp is NOT a good deal @ $7000. BUCKEYE - Two Hypex NC252MP Amplifiers, 8-channel $3190 or Two NC502MP Amplifiers, 8-channel $4390.

    • @michaelslocumbsr.2286
      @michaelslocumbsr.2286 Рік тому +3

      I agree not for the price! I instead went for two 8 channel Monolith 8250x amps...And the saw Buckeye and became very Mad...Lol

    • @junior-OG
      @junior-OG Рік тому

      @@michaelslocumbsr.2286 haha

    • @techsamurai11
      @techsamurai11 Рік тому

      What power do the Buckeyes deliver for 8 channels driven?

    • @justinzamora6553
      @justinzamora6553 Рік тому +1

      @@techsamurai11 350W @ 8 Ohms for the NC502MP version.

    • @kevonmanuel
      @kevonmanuel Рік тому +1

      @@techsamurai11
      NC252MP Power, all channels driven:
      180w per channel @ 2ohms
      250w per channel @ 4ohms
      150w per channel @ 8ohms

  • @frederf69
    @frederf69 Рік тому

    great amp if you aint got neighbours 😁

  • @ariawannugroho3664
    @ariawannugroho3664 Рік тому

    I was twice disappointed using marantz, not because the sound quality... All because strenght or durability of the product.
    First i used SR7005 less than 2 years damaged... The IC damaged.
    The electricity in my house is good.
    Second time i used SR5014... In a different house.
    Only about 1 year 5 months the hdmi board damaged.
    And for SR5014 was the first time trouble in Indonesia until february 2023.
    I used only for ordinary things... Music, movie...
    Very unfortunate for such a big brand like marantz.

    • @sam-xt8vu
      @sam-xt8vu Рік тому

      sound quality is not great with marantz honestly. Denon sounds way better.

  • @ialgarindiaz
    @ialgarindiaz Рік тому

    So then Danny from GR is right about having steel connectors that is not good for the system.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому

      Not when you're measuring SINAD > 100dB. Nobody uses alligator clips to connect their speakers.

    • @joppepeelen
      @joppepeelen Рік тому

      why ? it really does not matter. f those barel things :) aligator clips work fine ;) hehe

  • @FordXR4x4V6
    @FordXR4x4V6 Рік тому

    Video could be more shot profesional. I don't like to see and hear the presentator drinking water from a bottle, the background is a mess looking like a room of an adolescent and use a power point instead of the webpages for showing graphs. Also the camera is to high, making the presentator looking up.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Рік тому +5

      That's great. If you want a professionally shot video of this product, check out @therealShanelee. If you want technical facts, and test measurements NOBODY else provides, deal with my water drinking and shooting at my work desk.

    • @BULZAYE
      @BULZAYE Рік тому +3

      @@Audioholics Gene, the content you provide and how you provide it is exactly why I have followed you for so long and years before your UA-cam channel. As a fellow engineer (different field but started in EE) (and paisano ;) I am very skeptical of claims and exaggerations made in the field of audio and therefore very much appreciate your balanced objectivist and subjectivist points of view. There are very few people I respect in this hobby and you my friend are one of those few. Keep up the fine work and keep telling it like it really is!

    • @angussmall
      @angussmall 10 місяців тому

      @Audioholics I’ll admit there was a time I used to want the same thing. After years of watching I actually have grown to appreciate your authentic purity to focus on the details, data and info vs producing a trendy and flashy show

  • @samo8204
    @samo8204 Місяць тому

    Is there anything you would suggest (in that price range) for just two channels?
    I want to feed my RF-7IIIs all they can take.

    • @Audioholics
      @Audioholics  Місяць тому

      Cambridge Audio EVO 150 for $3,200 is a steal and sounds great!
      bit.ly/CambridgeEVO150Delorean