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@markstewart3501 Greatley.....No.... But in theory...... yes, ss they are shielded and "sum" the signals together eleminating any distortion you may have in your room like microwave waves, strip lights or any other devices that kick out rf interference 🙂.... Research exactly what XLR connections are and how they work.... and if you think you might have rf interference from your room or maybe a neighbour is kicking some out, than xlr is best..... i use them all the time just in case, as i record and listen to audio as a profession..... Hope that helps 🙂👍🏻
I love it! My end game setup. It will now be filed in my "never gonna happen" place,right next to a Ferrari F40 and a super model. But a boy can dream!
Thorough review as always A & K, well done and thanks! My Sr8015 will be in danger of demotion if the lottery pays off:) Until then I'm thrilled with what I currently have set up but it's human nature to dream and want more/better? Kudos to Marantz.
Andrew’s face on these still photos we click on to open the video are increasing funnier. He looks so happy he could jump for joy! I can’t imagine the fun you have taking these shots and the faces he needs to set in stone as you take multiple shots!
Btw, you've never mentioned what you thought of The Last of Us Season 1 TV show. With the beard, you are definitely doing the Joel thing. You are just missing the backpack and the shotgun. I'm just at that point in the Pittsburgh hotel basement with the bloater. Damn, it fills me with absolute dread every time I get to this point in the game!
One thing i gotta give y'all credit for is variety. Y'all have reviewed budget gear, mid tier, and baller level products like this. This channel literally has something for everyone.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Great job !!!! Kristi's commentaries are so invaluable. The challenge will be to figure out where the upper $$ limit would be for your audience. This pair Marantz separates definitely comes close... Nice job explaining other options that will come very close in performance. This hobby of ours can get out control FAST !!!
Another option if you can find it, anthem avr 70 had crazy close outs. Yes it's only 4k but it's 15 channels, pre pro that closed out at $2700k. You can get the upgrade to 8k for $500.
Thanks Andrew and Kristi for another great review. Myself personally I would not nor could I have a crazy home theater setup in my living space. Given the fact I live in an apartment in NYC , any setup greater than a 5 channel or 7 channel setup would probably make me homeless. The noise complaints would be out of control. But I can see how this Marantz setup would provide a person with all of the options one could currently have in settling up a Uber home theater room. A lot of us have spent extra money on equipment that had to be replaced because our current system has been tapped out. I see it as a buy once and keep for a long while type of purchase. Finally Happy Mother’s Day.
It doesn't matter how many channels you are running. More important is if the speakers and amplification are entertaining at low volumes. Having sound modes to quickly adjust bass is nice to have too. Sadly as expensive as this gear is, it too will be outdated soon enough. I think it makes sense to think of receivers as 'wear items' that will continually be replaced. Think of it this way, anyone willing to part with 14k for this combo will also be interested in the latest and greatest in a few years time and will likely upgrade. That is what truly makes this hobby expensive!
Picked up this combo to replace my current AV8805A and 2 x MM8077s. Excited to get it wired up and calibrated. I'm running a 7.2.6 Atmos setup, but also love 2 ch music. While I only need 13 ch, both the AV10 and AMP10 offer cool options for bi-amping. For example, I'm running B&W 702 S2 Signatures. They're power hungry. While my current setup is adequate to drive them, for music, I have to run higher volume before they really wake up, even with my current 150W/ch on the MM8077s. Since I top out at 13 channels for my home theater, I plan to tap the unused front wide L/R pre-outs on the AV10 for bi-amp mode. While still only 13 channels, I'll be tapping 15 of the 17 pre-outs with this setup. The AMP10 itself offers some cool bi-amp capabilities. Down the road, if I ever move to B&W's 800 lineup, I could bi-am Front L/R as noted above, and then bi-amp the 800 series center using the bi-amp option on the AMP itself.. In short, there's some awesome features on both AV10 and AMP10 for those with less than 16 channels who wish to tap bi-amping for hungrier speakers.
Andrew, I can not believe how much work you put into this. I used to do some online publishing and just wow, I am amazed at how much your passion for detail comes across in your video. You dialed your quality to 12 here. I think I will bookmark this just as a reference to how it is done. Thank you. I usually listen to all of your videos at least twice btw.
This is the kind of product that shows me how I’m at the point of diminishing returns. I currently run a Marantz AV7706 with two Marantz MM8077 amps for my 11ch. This setup would give me 4 more channels, but at double the cost for a slight increase in sound. Great review.
I have a 5.1 setup with Dali Rubicon speakers and a quite large Denon receiver and I'm soooo happy with my setup for both music and movies. Thanks for a great channel! :)
It's...definitely for a certain customer, and I think you nailed it down. Also, only rocking 5.2.2 Atmos with a Onkyo 6100. Technically, I have more than 16 speakers in my home theater, provided you count the mids and tweeters separately lol
My system is 7.2.4 (Marantz 8015) with the family house at 5.3.4 (McIntosh separates), so I am one of those 2% odd balls but I will not add anymore speakers. Those systems get the job done and unless I build a custom home in the future I would stick with something a little less HOT as the 8015 is warm enough! lol
Currently have a 7.2.4 setup, but am seriously considering the AV10 (or AVM90) to take it to the 9.4.6 setup. For speakers I don't need the amp as I use active studio monitors in pairs for each channel (yes, 30 speakers total when done) plus 2 Rythmik FV25HP's and 2 G25HP's for subs. It is an amazing experience. This is just in our living room home theater also, not a dedicated cinema room. Hopefully one day I'll build a dedicated room build.
With the Marantz AV 10 having four independent subwoofer outputs it appears to be meant for the custom install industry. A more appropriate comparison appears to be with the Anthem AVM 90. On the amplifier side give Outlaw Audio some love.
Another informative and entertaining video from your channel. But what impresses me the most is the complete honesty we get from you and Kristi. Unless one is very affluent that $14k would not make a dent in their home theater spare change, there is really no need to spend that much. You had said that one could get 90% of that Marantz experience for about 1/3 of the cost. I beg to differ on only the percentage. To me, it’s more like 95% or slightly better in my opinion. Thanks again for this video and please keep them coming!
Glad to see the brand on the channel. I love the looks of the towers - I haven’t heard them - but the build quality of the towers left such an impression. Hope you two get a pair in for review.
Out of my budget, but saw Gene at Audioholics early stuff on these but haven't caught the amp bench test yet to see if it really gives us 5 -7 channels driven power balance, which is one of most important to me: so sick of manufacturers giving us 2 channels driven bs when most of us buy a receiver/amp bc we are doing 5.1+! Either way, love the video as always, great stuff. Much appreciated! Have a great day!
One or the best, if not the most informative reviews I’ve ever seen! How does the Marantz 50 & Emotiva combo compare musically (stereo) to the full Marantz set up?
I can't believe only one Comment (so far) asked about a comparison to Anthem. I know separates like this will give you a lot more than an AVR like the MRX740, which you reviewed. (Although if you still have the MRX740, you actually could do a direct comparison to the AV10 by using the MRX740 as a preamp and making sure both the Marantz and Anthem are connected to the same amp(s) using RCA interconnects, to keep it fair.) But when I see this, I can't help but think that the AVM90 (same price but WITH full-featured proprietary room correction, so really cheaper than the AV10,) paired with extremely powerful and high-end Class D amps from companies like Monoprice or Buckeye Audio or maybe even ATI will give you MORE power than this Marantz combo for several $1000s cheaper (but still obviously expensive.) .... Sooo i have to ask: any chance that you'll be reviewing the AVMM 70 or AVM90? If someone were considering the Marantz combo vs something like the amps I mentioned above with the AVM70 or AVM90, I think that such a decision would come down to different aspects of sound quality and room correction results (aside from price, of course.) Heck, it would be a great comparison for us to all watch regardless of the reason, and I haven't seen anyone compare the AV10 to the AVM90.... yet.
I was wondering when this review was coming. Was wanting to hear your thoughts on these monsters. Congratulations. Another outstanding review. Being retired on a fix budget the reality is these are clearly not for me. Your review makes me appreciate my Sony STR-5000ES and Klipsch RP-8000F (both purchased after watching your reviews) even more. We currently have a 5.1 setup, but anxiously waiting for the day our installer comes to install our 4 in ceiling Atmos speakers so we can go back and watch so many movies in a 5.1.4 setup. Thanks again for your down to earth comments and excellent reviews.
My 7.(2)4.4 Budget-ish setup consist of the Onkyo TX-RZ50 running an Emotiva XPA-DR3 3ch Amplifier running my LCR and Two OSD NERO XA5180 5ch Amplifiers running all my surround and atmos ( with two channels extra if I ever wanted to go 9.4.4.). I am happy with it. Also, using a miniDSP 2x4HD to control my 4 subwoofers.
I've heard the AV 10 AMP 10 combo in a 9.4.6 setup with some great floorstanders. It was so incredibly good that it put me off watching movies at home for a month. Much better than any theater I've been to. Being in a sonic bubble that made knowing exactly where sounds came from had the weird effect of becoming very concious of the flat screen in front. Anyway, I see people here listing their own 5.1 setups and mentioning that's all they need. While that's probably true, you also have no clue what you're missing. It's an incredible sonic experience.
I have the Onkyo plus the Emotiva mono amps and the miniDSP SHD and it works perfect for me and I think I would have to spend lots more to even come close. Running the Polk R700 as fronts with a SVS 3000micro. I’m happy!
I am using 13.2 with the Marantz SR8015 with the Buchardt I150. The mains and subs are driven with the I150. The surrounds and center channel are powered by the Marantz. I’m not sure an additional 2 speakers would make any difference to my set up as my room is quite small. It’s only 12 x 17. My main speakers are the Buchardt S400 Mk2, and they are 12 feet apart. One SVS SB3000 each is sat next to each S400 Mk2s. When I listen to music only; then only the I150 is used. When I’m watching movies, then the Marantz is turned on to power the center and surrounds. I am using a projector to get a 175” screen that sits in between the S400 Mk2s.
Something that's still bugging me to this day is the lack of comparison to last gen tech in Hifi. I get there should be improvements on the processing side. Whats the difference in quality from the AMP 10 to the older MM 8077 for example. Or how does it compare to the PA 720 from Arcam?
Great review Andy and Kristi. I've got the 3800 which also allows both dirac and audyssey. I've got a 7.4.4 setup running right now. Not sure if you've heard about JoeNTells new app coming up which will level the playing firld between Audyssey and Dirac. The 3800 gives you so much flexibility and gets you 90% of the way to the AV10 and AMP10 with some basic external amps. Ive got old Rotel power amps.
Have you tried Dirac on your 3800 yet? Ive contemplated getting the Sony ES receiver, but the 3800 with 4 sub outs and Audyssey/Dirac is really tough to look past.
Great and honest review, well done! I’d personally would really like a dedicated video on that last bit - “what do you actually need?” Not so much amp-speaker pairing (you sort of have one of those), but more on set ups etc. Keep it up! (Commenting directly after watching instead of a day after really helps 😉)
My aging Marantz AV7702 MKII has started to show signs of impending death so I just ordered the AV10 as its replacement. I have no need for a new power amp, so the Amp 10 was not considered. Before settling on the AV 10 I considered options from Anthem, Emotiva and the Monolith HTP 1. With the Monolith being virtually impossible to get and Emotiva processors having a long history of being buggy and rudimentary I ended up ordering the Anthem AVM70 8K. Sadly though, after a few weeks of use, I found it's UI to be completely unacceptable for the price, thus the AV 10, which I should receive in a couple of weeks. I have a 7.2.4 setup and went back and forth between the AV 10 and the AV8805A. While I have no need for DTS:X:Pro and do not anticipate using the additional channels, I have not been satisfied with the limitations of Audyssey as implemented in older Marantz products. With the AV10 I felt I'd be able to try the current version of Audyssey while still having a path to Dirac should I continue to be dissatisfied. I'm confident the AV10 should fare well for years to come, which is just what I need at this time in my life. Great overall review. I love the way you both offer your individual takes and them discuss them, with us as the beneficiary. It's a fun format.
How are you getting on with the AV10? I am thinking of upgrading to an AV10 from my Denon x6400h. Obviously I will also be purchasing externals amps. My choice would be the AV10 amongst the others for the exact same reasons you stated.
@@markym3870 It has proven to be exactly what I expected, a solid performer that doesn't draw attention to itself or demand a huge learning curve. For now I've stuck with Audyssey. When DLBC becomes available I may consider Dirac but even if i don't right away, I like knowing it's an option down the road. It's expensive insurance against obsolescence [and you still just never know] but I'm happy with my decision.
There in USA are people who live in the cities where they have built a smart houses with Cinema space in refurbished basements (e.g. Los Angeles). Those houses and spaces have a capabilities for big number of Amp driven channels and big sound stages. This Marantz combo is for that kind of people who want best of the best for their needs and space. I think Sony TA-AN1000 or something from AZ family is best for us, an ordinary mortal men and women. Still rocking Sony STR-DN1060 in stereo mode. Still very satisfied.
Great review. For most of us - we may not have the ear for the really high end amps even if price is no object so value / cost is important and I am glad you mention it. I always suggest go listen to equipment for a while before you buy it and your ear on a wide range of equipment is appreciated. Again great review.
I appreciate very much both the comparisons of Dirac and Audyssey as well as mention of the manual PEQ setup (my preference) from the Yamaha line and the restriction of this function from other brands. Spot on! I'm still amazed at the level of manual PEQ I have in my obsolete Emotiva UMC-200 processor compared to some of these bleeding edge $4k AVRs.
I'm running 3.1 on video these days. I'm happy 95% of the time. My main listener is 2.1. My ears like the fancy stuff at first, then my ears stop noticing.
After getting these dialed in with my 3 Momentum 7xw LCR, 2 Icon 3xw, 4 XTC8, and 2 REL 1510 it really is an experience. Watching movies on my media space has been transformative. Great review.
Man this price is up there. I’d just go for the anthem AV90 at this price point with a NAD M28 and another inexpensive class D to fill the extra channels.
When I finished our basement about five years ago, I ran speaker cable in the ceiling for the day I would do Atmos. I put in some wall rear channel speakers. Now I’m more into two channel stereo so I haven’t finished it. I’ll probably just stick to 5.1 if I ever get to that point. I’ve gravitated to more music than movies as I’ve gotten older. I guess Hollywood isn’t doing it for me like it used to.
Andrew and Kristie thanks for reviewing the Ferrari (so to speak), do we need to own one, for most of us the answer is no. Do we want to see someone test drive it and report ? YESSSS 🙂 Well done !
Andrew, thanks for this review! I have been putting a lot of thought into maybe trying for at least the av10 and a cheaper amp. Now, having heard your review. I think I will hold on to my yamaha aventage rxa 8a. I think it sounds good with good sound separation. I don't know how it would measure up against the new Sony es receiver though. It would be cool if you could do another review on the yamaha since it has received all the updates that it was missing during your 1st review. Thanks for your reviews and keep up the awesome work!
Hi Andrew great review and maybe you dont know this but if you deep dive into multeq-x (and have the calibrated mic) you will find that you can import peq settings from REW and layer them onto the sound. Also you can also put the same curve on audyessy and dirac. I am not a fan of the default audyessy curve and always disable it and use shelf adjustments same as dirac. Audyessy has an advantage as you noticed at lower levels due to Dynamic-EQ which adjusts the eq based on playback volume. Dirac does not have this and requires you to make different presets for different volumes. In my experience on Denon A1H Dirac and Audyessy when calibrated using the advanced settings produce the same sound. There are a few recent videos on multeq-x that show how to get a lot more performance. When Dirac release Bass Control and ART then it might have an advantage over Audyessy. But we are a year away from that. multeq-x and dirac could warrant their own deep dive videos.
Not rocking 16 channels but do have an 11.2.4 system. Av10 and 4 Emotiva amps ranging from the DR3 to the basx a500. Would be nice if Marantz offered the same experience but with less channels for cheaper. Maybe the AV20 with 13 channels for a thousand less. AV30 with 11 channels for maybe 2k less?? Not everybody has 16 channels, but most of us, I can say, have 7.1 or higher and would love something like this go for less channels, cheaper price but still the same bells and whistles of th AV 10
Well done ! Love Marantz's contemporary looks and I have the Model30/SACD30n that started it all. The pairing featured in this video is great for those that have DEDICATED HT rooms. But for the 80% of us that don't have dedicated HT room, it's seems like an overkill. I still have and love my Sony ES Dolby Digital Receiver circa 2007 that can even do DSD audio on SACDs !
Hey Andrew and Kristi, another great review! I'm glad you mentioned the cost and how it is possible to achieve great results without spending $14K! You're still singing the praises of the Somny 7000ES and I'm seriously considering the 5000ES, but I'm curious...how does Sony's room correction do compared to Audyssey and/or Dirac, especially in the bass department?
I have my STR-AZ5000ES connected to Klipsch RP-8000F in a 5.1 setup. I am very pleased with Sony‘s Digital Cinema Auto Calibration IX which allows you to use their 360 Spatial Sound Mapping. The 360 SSM enhances your room and speakers to provide a huge and immersive soundstage, wether you are listening to music or watching your favorite movie. Looking forward to installing 4 in ceiling speakers to enjoy 5.1.4 Atmos sound.
@@rafacq sounds like a pretty sweet system! I'm still rocking 5.1 as well, but would love to add some height speakers to enjoy Atmos mixes. What did you have before the AZ5000?
With the channel count It sort of feels like Marantz is trying to tempt those that may have considered a 16 channel Trinnov to spend a little less with them. Maybe that makes sense, but if you are up at that channel count you are a bit Money no object anyway. As Andrew points out for regular enthusiasts (like me) with a standard single row of seats an 11.2 or 11.4 receiver plugged into a value priced 11ch power amp gives just as good an experience for less coin.
Again, great honesty and perspective as usual with great budget alternatives. Id love to hear a review on the new denon dnp 2000NE streamer/dac/preamp.
The price vs performance gap for electronics is just not as wide of a chasm as it used to be, especially for Home Theater. If you are powering a full on multi-rowed home theater with the need for all the channels it can drive, I can't see where this makes sense. I get the money spent in the past when chasing sound quality and separates were the way to get the performance you can get now in an integrated eceiver. I'm sure the few that have the need are very happy to know these products are out there!
Let's talk about expectations from an AV flagship processor in 2023, because I'm sick and tired to wait for a much better version in term of options and audio quality rendition, comparing with the 14 years old Denon AVP A1HDA, which I owned. Digital technology implemented in flagships AV processors (of different mass producers like the ones of the top 3 in the world - Denon, Marantz, Yamaha - not the more 'exotic' brands like Lyngdorf, StormAudio or Trinnov) has to be comparable on the level of digital components and technology used in flagships of smartphone producers like Huawei, Xiaomi, Samsung, Apple, Honor. Because in digital tech, what is a flagship component today, will become obsolete in just a year or two... This is why in 2023, I don't want to buy old, outdated technology at an unjustified cost! Only the newest and best-performing components have to be used and I don't see this in AV10 or in the Denon AVR A1H... In regards only to the audio side of the Marantz AV10... My level of expectation at 7000 USD (or even more) is that I need one AV unit to sound like a flagship stereo, on ALL channels! BTW...let's be totally honest... Your thoughts are like mine...who is using a 16...19 channels configuration in a living room, or even in a dedicated home cinema room? Or zones... Zone 2, zone 3... Who is really willing to deploy kilometers of wires for zone 2 or zone 3 connections in which the end result is to play the same music everywhere, instead of separate very good quality audio components in those rooms? We are not talking about hearing the same music in corridors or on an elevator of a hotel, because who really wants this? Also, who is really using HEOS?? This is a GADGET zone, NOT a high-end area... Sabre DAC ES 9018 used inside AV10? Why not at least ESS 9039Pro or AKM4191EQ? Or dedicated very low noise stereo DAC in dual differential mode per channel? As a flagship product in 2023, it should have! And where is HDCD decoding? Audiophile CD format is not dead, SACD is not dead, and Dolby Digital is not dead... In the audiophile community, we are still spinning HDCD CDs, SACD discs, and DVD Audio discs - and for HDCD, we need that decoder also. Even vinyl is not dead, and in 2023 we still not having a decent phono preamplifier for both MM and MC cartridges in a flagship AV processor... Talking about being in 2023...where is streaming and decoding native DSD1024 audio files? I want to see ultra-low noise separate power supplies inside of a top-of-the-line AV processor... This is the level of quality that I expect from a Marantz or Denon AV processor flagship, in 2023. RCA connectors are made from gold-plated brass? This is NOT desirable, because of brass's low conductivity. It should be made at least from silver or gold-plated OFC copper (again... I'm modest...I'm not mentioning pure silver-made connectors...). I want to see OCC pure copper or OCC pure silver wires used in inside cabling! Talking further...what OP-AMP is used inside? No info here... Also, the producer did not offered no tech spec at launch in regarding DAC inside, what brand of capacitors have been used, SINAD, output volume, etc, etc.. I want an upscale even from DVD definition, to 4k and 8k resolution! McIntosh is having same marketing and publicity policy... No detailed info regarding inside components used, and no tech info regarding very important audio performance in their flagship AV processor... Only high prices! With all due respect for these companies and their work, for an educated audiophile this is NOT acceptable.
Totally agree. That's why I have been building Ravenna/AES67 based home theatre using PC/TV->Arvus H1-D->Merging Anubis (Digital Crossover and monitoring)->DSP PC (DRC)->Merging Hapi MKII + DA8P DAC card ->Amplifier. It costs more but has professional high-end audio quality on all channels and it is modular so I have to swap only one component if I want to improve something or a new Dolby format appears. Full digital route is the way :)
Great review! Aspirational gear from Marantz; wondering if I could sneak it on to the mortgage :D... Personally running a 5.1 setup but working towards a 5.1.4 over time.
For more livingroom enthousiasts I would say the new Denon A1H, when you need the channels, or Arcam AVR31 for half the money 👌 For me 5.1 is the max my wife allows, and I think I need 😉
How is the cinema 50 / av10 music wise? I got myself an old NAD t778 because the cinema 40 was a mess with music... The NAD is just on another planet music wise. Vocals were also way too sibilant and too forward. The NAD just blends it all so well. End of the day I returned the Marantz.
I enjoy the drool factor of the Marrantz and thus the video. I am a 95% of the way for a fraction of the cost guy for example I am on a NAD receiver running a 5.1 with Magnepans across the front 3 but as such I want an amp with the power to feed them which may throw the cost of speakers to cost of amps ratio away from the norm, so... I like that you included various option comparisons to get the power and processing for the smaller system.
I will always have a soft spot for Marantz espically their fully descrete Vintage models class AB without all the op amps in the output stage thanks for the video '
I have an Onkyo TX-RZ840, I got an IOTAVX AVXP1 power amplifier, by connecting it to the receiver I got it in the cinema, an increase in bass speed and sound power, this is a level higher than it was. It only upsets the hum in the columns, it is not critical but unpleasant. In stereo music, fast beam metal is played by the IOTAVX AVXP1, but jazz and classic by the Onkyo TX-RZ840. I think a midrange receiver + power amp will beat the top receivers.
At max, I have 7.2.4 powered with the Denon X6700H, Emotiva XPA-2, and Emotiva BasX-3 in an approximately 25' x 15' x 8' space and I have no idea where "more speakers" would go. 16 speakers seems (at the moment) like such overkill, especially with basement height ceilings.
@@bearclaw5115 Okay but it won't be reliable for many years. First to go will be the electrolytic capacitors which go low in capacitance and high in ESR.
Wow... a beast... my house is too small anyway... Still to answer your question : I run a 9:1 on a Yamaha rx-v6a. Opal49 by focal for what was the original 5:1 and a Klipsh Quintet for the satellites. It works really fine for my tiny TV/gaming space, wows me more than often. One option you didn't talk about (maybe in the racking of the pre-amp), what would it gives with Crown Amps after the Pre-Amp ? Overkill ? Or a stadium only option? Thx guys, quick, precise, concise. To the fact ! you're the best!
My 4 zone, 2 channel system has been assembled for a cost that many people would consider absurd, and while I have no use for a processor like this, I think it’s important to remember how many people would find a $15k electronics investment to be inconsequential. There’s about 5.3 million millionaires in the U.S. alone.
Great video guys! I really look forward to your content. Andrew have you ever downloaded the Storm Audio target curves for Dirac Live? You’re missing out if you haven’t tried it yet. NAD also has a good one.
I am not in the market for a product like this. I tried to do home theater in two different rooms for over ten years without much success. BUT . . . I never took any measurements, or tried to EQ the room, let alone treat it. Setting up a traditional 2-Channel system in my retirement, with the purchase of MUCH better speakers and more powerful amps has raised all the issues of room acoustics and bass modes anew for me. I’m not after immersive sound, but I am after really good sound. When I get the room treated and the speakers initially placed, I might be in the market for a processor / amp combo that would either let me download my own hard-won EQ values (as you describe the Yamaha offering), or offer me the choice between two different EQ systems as the Marantz system you describe above. I do like the four sub outs on the Marantz, but I don’t see myself ever using more than seven speakers plus however many subs it takes to tame my room’s nodes (4 at the most).
The preamp is all ready at home. But I need amps for my LCR, and bi-amp for them. So do you think the power amp 10 is a good choice ? I’m more a 2 channel listener (on NOLA speakers) but need the HT solution too. Thought with this one, I could have my LCR speakers bi-amp and the rest of the HT Speakers amped to by the Amp10 ? Or better two EMOTIVA ??? Or some Audiolabs ? Good video as always.
I love Marantz, but I love the Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6. Would you recommend the Nakamichi as far as the complete wireless system or do have another suggestion? I would be pairing this with the Sony A90J 83" I just purchased. Thank you.
Hi Andrew and Kristi, thanks for all that you do in the UA-cam space, you guys put out some great videos! That said, this review *seems* like you don't see a value in a dedicated home theater processor; is this the case? By the way, I am nearly done installing a 9.3.6 system with KEF THX architectural speakers and REL woofers in a dedicated space, was previously running 5.2.4. Would love to hear your perspective!
15.4 why? Where will it stop? Wow, the back of that thing looks like a lunar command module control panel. I do have 16 pairs of speakers but not for home theater. vintage mostly.
@@kokoskanel3439 How is the sound on your RF7 MK2 with av10/amp10 and how many speakers are you running? I'm asking since I'm also have RF7 MK2 and other Klipsch speakers and maybe I'm going to upgrade with more speakers. Since now I have an old Yamaha AVR. Thanks if you reply
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Do the XLR connection really sound better. I've always wondered 🤔
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Greatley.....No....
But in theory...... yes, ss they are shielded and "sum" the signals together eleminating any distortion you may have in your room like microwave waves, strip lights or any other devices that kick out rf interference 🙂....
Research exactly what XLR connections are and how they work.... and if you think you might have rf interference from your room or maybe a neighbour is kicking some out, than xlr is best..... i use them all the time just in case, as i record and listen to audio as a profession.....
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I think you guys (together, Kristy helps a lot) balance being skeptical but also unbiased very well, that's why I watch y'all
I appreciate that! We do our best to offer a fair, fun and informative review.
I love it! My end game setup. It will now be filed in my "never gonna happen" place,right next to a Ferrari F40 and a super model. But a boy can dream!
Thorough review as always A & K, well done and thanks! My Sr8015 will be in danger of demotion if the lottery pays off:) Until then I'm thrilled with what I currently have set up but it's human nature to dream and want more/better? Kudos to Marantz.
Andrew’s face on these still photos we click on to open the video are increasing funnier. He looks so happy he could jump for joy! I can’t imagine the fun you have taking these shots and the faces he needs to set in stone as you take multiple shots!
Btw, you've never mentioned what you thought of The Last of Us Season 1 TV show. With the beard, you are definitely doing the Joel thing. You are just missing the backpack and the shotgun. I'm just at that point in the Pittsburgh hotel basement with the bloater. Damn, it fills me with absolute dread every time I get to this point in the game!
One thing i gotta give y'all credit for is variety. Y'all have reviewed budget gear, mid tier, and baller level products like this. This channel literally has something for everyone.
We try to include everyone.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Great job !!!! Kristi's commentaries are so invaluable. The challenge will be to figure out where the upper $$ limit would be for your audience. This pair Marantz separates definitely comes close... Nice job explaining other options that will come very close in performance. This hobby of ours can get out control FAST !!!
I’ve been enjoying the RZ50 + Emotiva XPA 11 channel amp for my 5.1.4 HT setup. Glad to see it’s still a nice combo!
Another option if you can find it, anthem avr 70 had crazy close outs. Yes it's only 4k but it's 15 channels, pre pro that closed out at $2700k. You can get the upgrade to 8k for $500.
Thanks Andrew and Kristi for another great review. Myself personally I would not nor could I have a crazy home theater setup in my living space. Given the fact I live in an apartment in NYC , any setup greater than a 5 channel or 7 channel setup would probably make me homeless. The noise complaints would be out of control. But I can see how this Marantz setup would provide a person with all of the options one could currently have in settling up a Uber home theater room. A lot of us have spent extra money on equipment that had to be replaced because our current system has been tapped out. I see it as a buy once and keep for a long while type of purchase.
Finally Happy Mother’s Day.
Appreciate you weighing in!
It doesn't matter how many channels you are running. More important is if the speakers and amplification are entertaining at low volumes. Having sound modes to quickly adjust bass is nice to have too.
Sadly as expensive as this gear is, it too will be outdated soon enough. I think it makes sense to think of receivers as 'wear items' that will continually be replaced. Think of it this way, anyone willing to part with 14k for this combo will also be interested in the latest and greatest in a few years time and will likely upgrade. That is what truly makes this hobby expensive!
This type of product is way more than i could ever need. I still really applaud really Marantz for going there, cause someone is gonna love this gear.
100%!
Picked up this combo to replace my current AV8805A and 2 x MM8077s. Excited to get it wired up and calibrated. I'm running a 7.2.6 Atmos setup, but also love 2 ch music. While I only need 13 ch, both the AV10 and AMP10 offer cool options for bi-amping. For example, I'm running B&W 702 S2 Signatures. They're power hungry. While my current setup is adequate to drive them, for music, I have to run higher volume before they really wake up, even with my current 150W/ch on the MM8077s. Since I top out at 13 channels for my home theater, I plan to tap the unused front wide L/R pre-outs on the AV10 for bi-amp mode. While still only 13 channels, I'll be tapping 15 of the 17 pre-outs with this setup. The AMP10 itself offers some cool bi-amp capabilities. Down the road, if I ever move to B&W's 800 lineup, I could bi-am Front L/R as noted above, and then bi-amp the 800 series center using the bi-amp option on the AMP itself..
In short, there's some awesome features on both AV10 and AMP10 for those with less than 16 channels who wish to tap bi-amping for hungrier speakers.
Running an 8805A as well - how do you find this replacement compared??
Andrew, I can not believe how much work you put into this. I used to do some online publishing and just wow, I am amazed at how much your passion for detail comes across in your video.
You dialed your quality to 12 here. I think I will bookmark this just as a reference to how it is done. Thank you. I usually listen to all of your videos at least twice btw.
Thank you so much for the kind words and recognition, Jonathan!
This is the kind of product that shows me how I’m at the point of diminishing returns. I currently run a Marantz AV7706 with two Marantz MM8077 amps for my 11ch. This setup would give me 4 more channels, but at double the cost for a slight increase in sound. Great review.
I have a 5.1 setup with Dali Rubicon speakers and a quite large Denon receiver and I'm soooo happy with my setup for both music and movies. Thanks for a great channel! :)
It's...definitely for a certain customer, and I think you nailed it down.
Also, only rocking 5.2.2 Atmos with a Onkyo 6100. Technically, I have more than 16 speakers in my home theater, provided you count the mids and tweeters separately lol
My system is 7.2.4 (Marantz 8015) with the family house at 5.3.4 (McIntosh separates), so I am one of those 2% odd balls but I will not add anymore speakers. Those systems get the job done and unless I build a custom home in the future I would stick with something a little less HOT as the 8015 is warm enough! lol
Currently have a 7.2.4 setup, but am seriously considering the AV10 (or AVM90) to take it to the 9.4.6 setup. For speakers I don't need the amp as I use active studio monitors in pairs for each channel (yes, 30 speakers total when done) plus 2 Rythmik FV25HP's and 2 G25HP's for subs. It is an amazing experience. This is just in our living room home theater also, not a dedicated cinema room. Hopefully one day I'll build a dedicated room build.
With the Marantz AV 10 having four independent subwoofer outputs it appears to be meant for the custom install industry. A more appropriate comparison appears to be with the Anthem AVM 90. On the amplifier side give Outlaw Audio some love.
Another informative and entertaining video from your channel. But what impresses me the most is the complete honesty we get from you and Kristi. Unless one is very affluent that $14k would not make a dent in their home theater spare change, there is really no need to spend that much. You had said that one could get 90% of that Marantz experience for about 1/3 of the cost. I beg to differ on only the percentage. To me, it’s more like 95% or slightly better in my opinion. Thanks again for this video and please keep them coming!
Thank you very much for your videos. Will you do an Anthem AVM90 review and a comparison between AMV90 and AV10?
Glad to see the brand on the channel. I love the looks of the towers - I haven’t heard them - but the build quality of the towers left such an impression. Hope you two get a pair in for review.
Keeping it Real and Honest! Real word perspective. Thanks for another great review.
Out of my budget, but saw Gene at Audioholics early stuff on these but haven't caught the amp bench test yet to see if it really gives us 5 -7 channels driven power balance, which is one of most important to me: so sick of manufacturers giving us 2 channels driven bs when most of us buy a receiver/amp bc we are doing 5.1+! Either way, love the video as always, great stuff. Much appreciated! Have a great day!
One or the best, if not the most informative reviews I’ve ever seen!
How does the Marantz 50 & Emotiva combo compare musically (stereo) to the full Marantz set up?
I can't believe only one Comment (so far) asked about a comparison to Anthem. I know separates like this will give you a lot more than an AVR like the MRX740, which you reviewed. (Although if you still have the MRX740, you actually could do a direct comparison to the AV10 by using the MRX740 as a preamp and making sure both the Marantz and Anthem are connected to the same amp(s) using RCA interconnects, to keep it fair.) But when I see this, I can't help but think that the AVM90 (same price but WITH full-featured proprietary room correction, so really cheaper than the AV10,) paired with extremely powerful and high-end Class D amps from companies like Monoprice or Buckeye Audio or maybe even ATI will give you MORE power than this Marantz combo for several $1000s cheaper (but still obviously expensive.) .... Sooo i have to ask: any chance that you'll be reviewing the AVMM 70 or AVM90? If someone were considering the Marantz combo vs something like the amps I mentioned above with the AVM70 or AVM90, I think that such a decision would come down to different aspects of sound quality and room correction results (aside from price, of course.) Heck, it would be a great comparison for us to all watch regardless of the reason, and I haven't seen anyone compare the AV10 to the AVM90.... yet.
I was wondering when this review was coming. Was wanting to hear your thoughts on these monsters. Congratulations. Another outstanding review.
Being retired on a fix budget the reality is these are clearly not for me. Your review makes me appreciate my Sony STR-5000ES and Klipsch RP-8000F (both purchased after watching your reviews) even more.
We currently have a 5.1 setup, but anxiously waiting for the day our installer comes to install our 4 in ceiling Atmos speakers so we can go back and watch so many movies in a 5.1.4 setup.
Thanks again for your down to earth comments and excellent reviews.
My 7.(2)4.4 Budget-ish setup consist of the Onkyo TX-RZ50 running an Emotiva XPA-DR3 3ch Amplifier running my LCR and Two OSD NERO XA5180 5ch Amplifiers running all my surround and atmos ( with two channels extra if I ever wanted to go 9.4.4.). I am happy with it.
Also, using a miniDSP 2x4HD to control my 4 subwoofers.
I've heard the AV 10 AMP 10 combo in a 9.4.6 setup with some great floorstanders. It was so incredibly good that it put me off watching movies at home for a month. Much better than any theater I've been to. Being in a sonic bubble that made knowing exactly where sounds came from had the weird effect of becoming very concious of the flat screen in front.
Anyway, I see people here listing their own 5.1 setups and mentioning that's all they need. While that's probably true, you also have no clue what you're missing. It's an incredible sonic experience.
Please, can you compare it with Anthem's AVM 90 and/or Arcam's AVR31?
Excellent review btw.
Slightly surprised Arcam and Anthem were not compared to the Marantz combo as these would be the obvious considerations if spending that much cash.
The latest Marantz Cinema line look so good, I love their design.
I have the Onkyo plus the Emotiva mono amps and the miniDSP SHD and it works perfect for me and I think I would have to spend lots more to even come close. Running the Polk R700 as fronts with a SVS 3000micro. I’m happy!
Yes, sir! There's money out there. Marantz all day. Great video.
I really enjoyed this review. This product is not for me at all but your candid explanation of it and justification for it was really good.
I am using 13.2 with the Marantz SR8015 with the Buchardt I150. The mains and subs are driven with the I150. The surrounds and center channel are powered by the Marantz.
I’m not sure an additional 2 speakers would make any difference to my set up as my room is quite small. It’s only 12 x 17. My main speakers are the Buchardt S400 Mk2, and they are 12 feet apart. One SVS SB3000 each is sat next to each S400 Mk2s. When I listen to music only; then only the I150 is used. When I’m watching movies, then the Marantz is turned on to power the center and surrounds. I am using a projector to get a 175” screen that sits in between the S400 Mk2s.
Something that's still bugging me to this day is the lack of comparison to last gen tech in Hifi.
I get there should be improvements on the processing side.
Whats the difference in quality from the AMP 10 to the older MM 8077 for example.
Or how does it compare to the PA 720 from Arcam?
Great review Andy and Kristi. I've got the 3800 which also allows both dirac and audyssey. I've got a 7.4.4 setup running right now. Not sure if you've heard about JoeNTells new app coming up which will level the playing firld between Audyssey and Dirac. The 3800 gives you so much flexibility and gets you 90% of the way to the AV10 and AMP10 with some basic external amps. Ive got old Rotel power amps.
Have you tried Dirac on your 3800 yet? Ive contemplated getting the Sony ES receiver, but the 3800 with 4 sub outs and Audyssey/Dirac is really tough to look past.
Great and honest review, well done! I’d personally would really like a dedicated video on that last bit - “what do you actually need?” Not so much amp-speaker pairing (you sort of have one of those), but more on set ups etc.
Keep it up!
(Commenting directly after watching instead of a day after really helps 😉)
You’ve still got me stoked to hear the Sony, like that’s gotta be the starting point for my next home theatre and then demo these other options.
It's a fun and great sounding AVR.
Im going on 2 years with my Marantz 7706 running 7.2.4 setup. Still love it .
My aging Marantz AV7702 MKII has started to show signs of impending death so I just ordered the AV10 as its replacement. I have no need for a new power amp, so the Amp 10 was not considered. Before settling on the AV 10 I considered options from Anthem, Emotiva and the Monolith HTP 1. With the Monolith being virtually impossible to get and Emotiva processors having a long history of being buggy and rudimentary I ended up ordering the Anthem AVM70 8K. Sadly though, after a few weeks of use, I found it's UI to be completely unacceptable for the price, thus the AV 10, which I should receive in a couple of weeks.
I have a 7.2.4 setup and went back and forth between the AV 10 and the AV8805A. While I have no need for DTS:X:Pro and do not anticipate using the additional channels, I have not been satisfied with the limitations of Audyssey as implemented in older Marantz products. With the AV10 I felt I'd be able to try the current version of Audyssey while still having a path to Dirac should I continue to be dissatisfied. I'm confident the AV10 should fare well for years to come, which is just what I need at this time in my life.
Great overall review. I love the way you both offer your individual takes and them discuss them, with us as the beneficiary. It's a fun format.
How are you getting on with the AV10? I am thinking of upgrading to an AV10 from my Denon x6400h. Obviously I will also be purchasing externals amps. My choice would be the AV10 amongst the others for the exact same reasons you stated.
@@markym3870 It has proven to be exactly what I expected, a solid performer that doesn't draw attention to itself or demand a huge learning curve.
For now I've stuck with Audyssey. When DLBC becomes available I may consider Dirac but even if i don't right away, I like knowing it's an option down the road. It's expensive insurance against obsolescence [and you still just never know] but I'm happy with my decision.
There in USA are people who live in the cities where they have built a smart houses with Cinema space in refurbished basements (e.g. Los Angeles). Those houses and spaces have a capabilities for big number of Amp driven channels and big sound stages. This Marantz combo is for that kind of people who want best of the best for their needs and space. I think Sony TA-AN1000 or something from AZ family is best for us, an ordinary mortal men and women. Still rocking Sony STR-DN1060 in stereo mode. Still very satisfied.
Great review. For most of us - we may not have the ear for the really high end amps even if price is no object so value / cost is important and I am glad you mention it. I always suggest go listen to equipment for a while before you buy it and your ear on a wide range of equipment is appreciated. Again great review.
Good morning! ☕. Thanks for a great Sunday viewing!
Always a pleasure!
Morning DaWayne!
I appreciate very much both the comparisons of Dirac and Audyssey as well as mention of the manual PEQ setup (my preference) from the Yamaha line and the restriction of this function from other brands. Spot on!
I'm still amazed at the level of manual PEQ I have in my obsolete Emotiva UMC-200 processor compared to some of these bleeding edge $4k AVRs.
I do not understand why brands don't offer manual PEQ.
I'm running 3.1 on video these days. I'm happy 95% of the time. My main listener is 2.1. My ears like the fancy stuff at first, then my ears stop noticing.
Ahhh now i know its sunday awesome content A & K ....
Yep! Same bat time, same bat channel 😂
After getting these dialed in with my 3 Momentum 7xw LCR, 2 Icon 3xw, 4 XTC8, and 2 REL 1510 it really is an experience. Watching movies on my media space has been transformative. Great review.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience!
Man this price is up there. I’d just go for the anthem AV90 at this price point with a NAD M28 and another inexpensive class D to fill the extra channels.
I am a longtime Denon fan and planning a long awaited upgrade to the new Denon AVR-A1H. Do you have any reviews planned?
When I finished our basement about five years ago, I ran speaker cable in the ceiling for the day I would do Atmos. I put in some wall rear channel speakers. Now I’m more into two channel stereo so I haven’t finished it. I’ll probably just stick to 5.1 if I ever get to that point. I’ve gravitated to more music than movies as I’ve gotten older. I guess Hollywood isn’t doing it for me like it used to.
I have both the AV40 and now both separates and I absolutely love these new Marantz products. I even have their new AV70 in my office!
Andrew and Kristie thanks for reviewing the Ferrari (so to speak), do we need to own one, for most of us the answer is no. Do we want to see someone test drive it and report ? YESSSS 🙂 Well done !
I would like to see a review of the Denon AVC-A1H.
DENON AVR - A1H
Andrew, thanks for this review! I have been putting a lot of thought into maybe trying for at least the av10 and a cheaper amp. Now, having heard your review. I think I will hold on to my yamaha aventage rxa 8a. I think it sounds good with good sound separation. I don't know how it would measure up against the new Sony es receiver though. It would be cool if you could do another review on the yamaha since it has received all the updates that it was missing during your 1st review. Thanks for your reviews and keep up the awesome work!
You certainly took your time with these. Great review.
Hi Andrew great review and maybe you dont know this but if you deep dive into multeq-x (and have the calibrated mic) you will find that you can import peq settings from REW and layer them onto the sound. Also you can also put the same curve on audyessy and dirac. I am not a fan of the default audyessy curve and always disable it and use shelf adjustments same as dirac.
Audyessy has an advantage as you noticed at lower levels due to Dynamic-EQ which adjusts the eq based on playback volume. Dirac does not have this and requires you to make different presets for different volumes. In my experience on Denon A1H Dirac and Audyessy when calibrated using the advanced settings produce the same sound.
There are a few recent videos on multeq-x that show how to get a lot more performance. When Dirac release Bass Control and ART then it might have an advantage over Audyessy. But we are a year away from that.
multeq-x and dirac could warrant their own deep dive videos.
Thank you for the review!
Not rocking 16 channels but do have an 11.2.4 system. Av10 and 4 Emotiva amps ranging from the DR3 to the basx a500. Would be nice if Marantz offered the same experience but with less channels for cheaper. Maybe the AV20 with 13 channels for a thousand less. AV30 with 11 channels for maybe 2k less?? Not everybody has 16 channels, but most of us, I can say, have 7.1 or higher and would love something like this go for less channels, cheaper price but still the same bells and whistles of th AV 10
Incredible components. Great review
Well done ! Love Marantz's contemporary looks and I have the Model30/SACD30n that started it all. The pairing featured in this video is great for those that have DEDICATED HT rooms. But for the 80% of us that don't have dedicated HT room, it's seems like an overkill. I still have and love my Sony ES Dolby Digital Receiver circa 2007 that can even do DSD audio on SACDs !
Great video! FYI: Marantz Cinema 50, 40 and AV10 can decode MPEG-H/360 Reality Audio as well.
Please do a review on the Cinema 40. Thanks 🙏
Marantz should include a high volume, whisper quiet fan in their designs.
Hey Andrew and Kristi, another great review! I'm glad you mentioned the cost and how it is possible to achieve great results without spending $14K! You're still singing the praises of the Somny 7000ES and I'm seriously considering the 5000ES, but I'm curious...how does Sony's room correction do compared to Audyssey and/or Dirac, especially in the bass department?
I have my STR-AZ5000ES connected to Klipsch RP-8000F in a 5.1 setup. I am very pleased with Sony‘s Digital Cinema Auto Calibration IX which allows you to use their 360 Spatial Sound Mapping. The 360 SSM enhances your room and speakers to provide a huge and immersive soundstage, wether you are listening to music or watching your favorite movie. Looking forward to installing 4 in ceiling speakers to enjoy 5.1.4 Atmos sound.
@@rafacq sounds like a pretty sweet system! I'm still rocking 5.1 as well, but would love to add some height speakers to enjoy Atmos mixes. What did you have before the AZ5000?
With the channel count It sort of feels like Marantz is trying to tempt those that may have considered a 16 channel Trinnov to spend a little less with them. Maybe that makes sense, but if you are up at that channel count you are a bit Money no object anyway. As Andrew points out for regular enthusiasts (like me) with a standard single row of seats an 11.2 or 11.4 receiver plugged into a value priced 11ch power amp gives just as good an experience for less coin.
Again, great honesty and perspective as usual with great budget alternatives. Id love to hear a review on the new denon dnp 2000NE streamer/dac/preamp.
The price vs performance gap for electronics is just not as wide of a chasm as it used to be, especially for Home Theater. If you are powering a full on multi-rowed home theater with the need for all the channels it can drive, I can't see where this makes sense. I get the money spent in the past when chasing sound quality and separates were the way to get the performance you can get now in an integrated
eceiver. I'm sure the few that have the need are very happy to know these products are out there!
I didn't see the Denon AVC-A1H mentioned in the comparisons? IMHO this is the one box solution to beat if you need 13-15 channels.
Oh definitely. However, this is probably the product to get if you're a little more musically oriented and want a full separates solution.
Here we go!!!
Blast off!
Hi Andrew, what are your thoughts on Marantz 70s. I am debating between nr1711 vs 70s.
Let's talk about expectations from an AV flagship processor in 2023, because I'm sick and tired to wait for a much better version in term of options and audio quality rendition, comparing with the 14 years old Denon AVP A1HDA, which I owned.
Digital technology implemented in flagships AV processors (of different mass producers like the ones of the top 3 in the world - Denon, Marantz, Yamaha - not the more 'exotic' brands like Lyngdorf, StormAudio or Trinnov) has to be comparable on the level of digital components and technology used in flagships of smartphone producers like Huawei, Xiaomi, Samsung, Apple, Honor.
Because in digital tech, what is a flagship component today, will become obsolete in just a year or two... This is why in 2023, I don't want to buy old, outdated technology at an unjustified cost! Only the newest and best-performing components have to be used and I don't see this in AV10 or in the Denon AVR A1H...
In regards only to the audio side of the Marantz AV10... My level of expectation at 7000 USD (or even more) is that I need one AV unit to sound like a flagship stereo, on ALL channels!
BTW...let's be totally honest... Your thoughts are like mine...who is using a 16...19 channels configuration in a living room, or even in a dedicated home cinema room? Or zones... Zone 2, zone 3... Who is really willing to deploy kilometers of wires for zone 2 or zone 3 connections in which the end result is to play the same music everywhere, instead of separate very good quality audio components in those rooms? We are not talking about hearing the same music in corridors or on an elevator of a hotel, because who really wants this? Also, who is really using HEOS?? This is a GADGET zone, NOT a high-end area...
Sabre DAC ES 9018 used inside AV10? Why not at least ESS 9039Pro or AKM4191EQ? Or dedicated very low noise stereo DAC in dual differential mode per channel? As a flagship product in 2023, it should have!
And where is HDCD decoding? Audiophile CD format is not dead, SACD is not dead, and Dolby Digital is not dead... In the audiophile community, we are still spinning HDCD CDs, SACD discs, and DVD Audio discs - and for HDCD, we need that decoder also.
Even vinyl is not dead, and in 2023 we still not having a decent phono preamplifier for both MM and MC cartridges in a flagship AV processor...
Talking about being in 2023...where is streaming and decoding native DSD1024 audio files?
I want to see ultra-low noise separate power supplies inside of a top-of-the-line AV processor... This is the level of quality that I expect from a Marantz or Denon AV processor flagship, in 2023.
RCA connectors are made from gold-plated brass? This is NOT desirable, because of brass's low conductivity. It should be made at least from silver or gold-plated OFC copper (again... I'm modest...I'm not mentioning pure silver-made connectors...). I want to see OCC pure copper or OCC pure silver wires used in inside cabling!
Talking further...what OP-AMP is used inside? No info here...
Also, the producer did not offered no tech spec at launch in regarding DAC inside, what brand of capacitors have been used, SINAD, output volume, etc, etc..
I want an upscale even from DVD definition, to 4k and 8k resolution!
McIntosh is having same marketing and publicity policy... No detailed info regarding inside components used, and no tech info regarding very important audio performance in their flagship AV processor... Only high prices!
With all due respect for these companies and their work, for an educated audiophile this is NOT acceptable.
Totally agree. That's why I have been building Ravenna/AES67 based home theatre using PC/TV->Arvus H1-D->Merging Anubis (Digital Crossover and monitoring)->DSP PC (DRC)->Merging Hapi MKII + DA8P DAC card ->Amplifier. It costs more but has professional high-end audio quality on all channels and it is modular so I have to swap only one component if I want to improve something or a new Dolby format appears. Full digital route is the way :)
New Sony ES line is really impressive for cost and specially performance, sound quality.
What an amazing piece of gear Andrew!! When I saw the back view of inputs/outputs I almost fell off my chair.
Great review! Aspirational gear from Marantz; wondering if I could sneak it on to the mortgage :D... Personally running a 5.1 setup but working towards a 5.1.4 over time.
For more livingroom enthousiasts I would say the new Denon A1H, when you need the channels, or Arcam AVR31 for half the money 👌
For me 5.1 is the max my wife allows, and I think I need 😉
How is the cinema 50 / av10 music wise? I got myself an old NAD t778 because the cinema 40 was a mess with music... The NAD is just on another planet music wise. Vocals were also way too sibilant and too forward. The NAD just blends it all so well.
End of the day I returned the Marantz.
I enjoy the drool factor of the Marrantz and thus the video. I am a 95% of the way for a fraction of the cost guy for example I am on a NAD receiver running a 5.1 with Magnepans across the front 3 but as such I want an amp with the power to feed them which may throw the cost of speakers to cost of amps ratio away from the norm, so... I like that you included various option comparisons to get the power and processing for the smaller system.
I will always have a soft spot for Marantz espically their fully descrete Vintage models class AB without all the op amps in the output stage thanks for the video '
I have an Onkyo TX-RZ840, I got an IOTAVX AVXP1 power amplifier, by connecting it to the receiver I got it in the cinema, an increase in bass speed and sound power, this is a level higher than it was.
It only upsets the hum in the columns, it is not critical but unpleasant.
In stereo music, fast beam metal is played by the IOTAVX AVXP1, but jazz and classic by the Onkyo TX-RZ840.
I think a midrange receiver + power amp will beat the top receivers.
Could you do a review of the new 70s? Cheers in advance!
At max, I have 7.2.4 powered with the Denon X6700H, Emotiva XPA-2, and Emotiva BasX-3 in an approximately 25' x 15' x 8' space and I have no idea where "more speakers" would go. 16 speakers seems (at the moment) like such overkill, especially with basement height ceilings.
The high running temperature is worrying because for every 10 degree Centigrade increase in transistor temperature, the life expectancy halves.
Don't sweat it! Marantz typically runs warm, mine hits the same temps.
@@bearclaw5115 Okay but it won't be reliable for many years. First to go will be the electrolytic capacitors which go low in capacitance and high in ESR.
Wow... a beast... my house is too small anyway...
Still to answer your question : I run a 9:1 on a Yamaha rx-v6a. Opal49 by focal for what was the original 5:1 and a Klipsh Quintet for the satellites. It works really fine for my tiny TV/gaming space, wows me more than often.
One option you didn't talk about (maybe in the racking of the pre-amp), what would it gives with Crown Amps after the Pre-Amp ? Overkill ? Or a stadium only option?
Thx guys, quick, precise, concise. To the fact ! you're the best!
My 4 zone, 2 channel system has been assembled for a cost that many people would consider absurd, and while I have no use for a processor like this, I think it’s important to remember how many people would find a $15k electronics investment to be inconsequential. There’s about 5.3 million millionaires in the U.S. alone.
Afternoon Andrew and Kristi
Morning kj! Thanks for tuning in!
Great video guys! I really look forward to your content. Andrew have you ever downloaded the Storm Audio target curves for Dirac Live? You’re missing out if you haven’t tried it yet. NAD also has a good one.
Can you do a review on the new line of Klipsch subwoofers?
I am not in the market for a product like this. I tried to do home theater in two different rooms for over ten years without much success. BUT . . . I never took any measurements, or tried to EQ the room, let alone treat it. Setting up a traditional 2-Channel system in my retirement, with the purchase of MUCH better speakers and more powerful amps has raised all the issues of room acoustics and bass modes anew for me. I’m not after immersive sound, but I am after really good sound. When I get the room treated and the speakers initially placed, I might be in the market for a processor / amp combo that would either let me download my own hard-won EQ values (as you describe the Yamaha offering), or offer me the choice between two different EQ systems as the Marantz system you describe above. I do like the four sub outs on the Marantz, but I don’t see myself ever using more than seven speakers plus however many subs it takes to tame my room’s nodes (4 at the most).
Just picked up a used emotiva XMC-2 for $1500. Gonna get an XPA-9 to add to my UPA-700 for a 15.1.6 system for less than $4k.
I think you are right about many affluent HT customers perhaps having this in an overall package and may not even know it.
The preamp is all ready at home. But I need amps for my LCR, and bi-amp for them. So do you think the power amp 10 is a good choice ? I’m more a 2 channel listener (on NOLA speakers) but need the HT solution too. Thought with this one, I could have my LCR speakers bi-amp and the rest of the HT Speakers amped to by the Amp10 ? Or better two EMOTIVA ??? Or some Audiolabs ? Good video as always.
Love marantz products
I love Marantz, but I love the Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6. Would you recommend the Nakamichi as far as the complete wireless system or do have another suggestion? I would be pairing this with the Sony A90J 83" I just purchased.
Thank you.
You mentioning the movie Driven is so special to me as it is one of my favorite movies of all time!
Need some Anthem reviews and comparisons! Good review though!
Thank you! We reviewed the Anthem 740. You'll find it on the channel.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I’ve watched it but we need more haha especially their separates!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews comparison to the AVM 90 would be more apples to apples at similar price points.
Great review. I too wish Marantz included a PEQ something similar to miniDSP’s
Hi Andrew and Kristi, thanks for all that you do in the UA-cam space, you guys put out some great videos! That said, this review *seems* like you don't see a value in a dedicated home theater processor; is this the case? By the way, I am nearly done installing a 9.3.6 system with KEF THX architectural speakers and REL woofers in a dedicated space, was previously running 5.2.4. Would love to hear your perspective!
15.4 why? Where will it stop? Wow, the back of that thing looks like a lunar command module control panel.
I do have 16 pairs of speakers but not for home theater. vintage mostly.
For home theater setup, a full on ATMOS system can have up to 34 channels. Like 24.x.10. LFE can be 1, 2, 4, etc.
when i instal av10 and amp10 is like i buy new speaker ,other sound after that amazing (klipsch rf7II AND OTHER KLIPSCH)
@@kokoskanel3439 How is the sound on your RF7 MK2 with av10/amp10 and how many speakers are you running? I'm asking since I'm also have RF7 MK2 and other Klipsch speakers and maybe I'm going to upgrade with more speakers. Since now I have an old Yamaha AVR. Thanks if you reply
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