Also the TOTAL HARMONIC DISTORTION WARS WERE ON. Remember that audiophiles actually believed that they could hear the difference between 0.03% and 0.003% THD / IMD???
Yes! Dirac included at a very reasonable price. Maybe Onkyo is truly finally back. Just 🙏 the boards and chips last. Thank you Gene, this was fast you jumped right on the testing for us. TY 🤗🤗🤗🤗 Freakin awesome 👌 big watts, low distortion, with 7 channels driven at a great price 👍. Dang, now I gotta find $3k. 😅 oh, crap, this will mean i need new speakers 🙀🙀🙀😂
You're a class act Gene - and another great in depth review. Not often you get this excited over a product, and I was about to buy the RZ-50 at $1000.00 / and I thought that was great. But your affiliate link has this receiver for $1999.00??? I'm speechless - and pulling the trigger right now. Thanks so much Gene.
@@bwheels02 the power supplies have been redesigned and the heat sinks are far more prevalent. My personal advice - upgrading to the RZ-70 from the RZ-50 is not advisable UNLESS you find the RZ-70 on sale like it is at Crutchfield for $1999.00.
Yeah, amazon had it down to $2,299.00, plus the additional 5% back on the prime card. I was waiting for Gene's review. My wife is out on a weekend trip with the ladies and there was no one here to stop me... ;) So I pulled the trigger, my denon 3600H is going to the fb marketplace. (she's been great) I was wanting more power for my 2 channel towers (B&W's), plus all my surrounds are Klipsch. VERY excited. (New gear is fun.) Thanks Gene, I will be sure to bring your name up on Monday when a big box shows up and you are partially to blame. I will be excited to see the additional coverage on this. Never used dirac, so hoping you drop a video on setting that up with the Z70.
I just bought one. Right now I'm using the the rz50. I couldn't turn down the current price being on sale. Honestly above all Gene sold me on this.. Great review
Had several onkyo Thx models in the past and recommended to my friends as well. They always were amazing value, but every single one myself and my friends, all developed hdmi issues. I know its impossible to tell for a while but hopefully no reliability issues and they can start rebuilding the brand. In fairness to onkyo mine was fixed on a recall. My friends was fixed by them out of warranty. Competition is only good for the consumer so I hope they play a blinder.
The systemic HDMI failures haven't been an issue for nearly a decade now. It was definitely a weakness of the late -00s/early-10s Onkyo/Integra design.
Excellent review as always Gene. Not in the position to do a 3k upgrade to my system, just enjoy your reviews. Sticking with my Cinema 60, which is perfect for me at this time.
Gene, this is impressive work (again). I've been on the fence on whether or not to buy an AV-receiver/amp as many of them don't perform particularly well. I'm coming from a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120, but I'm missing the LFE and this Onkyo looks most impressive indeed. The one thing that's holding me back is the absence of the manual PEQ you're talking about. I love that on my Lyngdorf. Any thoughts?
Hi Gene, Thanks for your detailed review. 268 watts into 4ohms is great. What are your thoughts on the Onkyo RZ50? It's going for $999 on sale. How similar or different is the sound quality compared to RZ 70? Thanks
my RZ70 is the best receiver ive ever owned and ive had most brands and its better than many more expensive ones--by far, its engaging, its powerful and dynamic, its immersive and fantastic
Ive been using a txsr 876 since 2010. 140x7. The 906 was the flagship at the time. This was the next model down. Bought brand new for like 1200. Used it as my main power source for years. Now i use it as just a pre with poweramps but its still my main home theater processor. Hundreds of hours on it too. Never had an hdmi board issue but i purposely went with the 876 to get the higher end HQV hdmi set.ive had several onkyo and integra products over the last 20 or so years and have never been disappointed. I still use a txsr 601 in my gaming setup. Think i got it in 2001? I think about uograding to a 5508 or 09 to get xlr connections and true dedicated preamp because i still run a 1080p pioneer kuro 60 inch and have no desire to swap that screen any time soon. 1080p on a proper plasma still looks fantastic to me.
Hey Gene, can you PLEASE do a review of the cheaper RZ-50, the RZ-70 is waay pass my budget.... BTW the ONKYO rep for the US confirmed on a recent podcast with Giles that the RZ-90 is coming pretty soon. I'm already wondering how they're gonna top this and I believe it would have more power and independent sub outs and a higher end DAC 🤔
The Denon X3800h is a better buy. While I want to love the RZ50, it is a 11.1 output and no DLBC. The X3800h measures slightly better and has 11.4 output, and is DL and DLBC upgradable. You can get it for $1000-1300, same price as the RZ50. IMO the X3800h killed the RZ50.
@@andrewskaterrr So you have owned the RZ-50 or you're just doing a side-by-side comparison on paper? I've owned three ONKYO receivers and there is a clear distinction in the house sound of both brands. Denon leans warm while I've found Onkyo to be neutral. I agree about the subwoofer output.
@@JamaicaSocialoczywiście kupiłem kiedyś onkyo nr 686 chciałem ulepszyć do 5.1.4 kupiłem Denon 4400 za 3x tyle pieniędzy co Denon.Tylko denon był nudny.Więc zmieniłem na rz1100 Całkiem inny sprzęt onkyo wygrało dynamiką uderzeniem jedyny minus Subwofer ciężko ustawić.
Hi Gene, thanks for your usual great job. I'm a happy owner of a RZ70 since it came out (almost an year now); I must admit the unit had a few bugs with the first firmwares that are being corrected now with the new releases, but it sounds really good and love Dirac Live (with DLBC). My setup is made of three amps, with the fronts driven by a stereo amp (that goes into bypass mode when used for home theater) and the 5 other base level speaker driven by my old Onkyo multichannel power amp (PA-MC5501), so the RZ70 is just driving the 4 height channels (I prefer this setup, to spread the load on the two amps, even though the RZ70 would be able to drive all 9 channels on its own). My height are pure 4ohms and being heights they don't need all the power other channels ofter require, so I've set the RZ70 to the low impedence 4ohm setting, do you still think that it should be set to high impedence even in my particular case?
Love Onkyo! Been using them since Circuit City days! Could you please do a video on how to prevent dust build up on electronics and the safest way to clean them? I’ve used vacuum’s and compressed dust spray.
Hey Gene. You've got a subscriber all the way from South Africa. Great content as usual. About the power consumption rated on the back of the receiver, did you measure the power consumption on the electric wall plug while testing or playing a movie or something? Asking, because I've the RZ830 which is rated 850 watt, however, I've measured the actual electrical power consumption while listening at reference level, 5.1.4 channels using power consumption measurement Bluetooth plug, and usually it never goes beyond 300 watts, with explosions etc. it would reach 350 watts momentarily for few seconds only. I'm keen to know this for RZ70. Thank you
@saplinbisjac No I didn't but it's pretty easy to calculate. You'd be surprised how little average power you use during normal listening, especially if your speakers are all bass managed.
Very nice, I owned top of the line flagship Onkyo Integra of € 4000 and after some years it started to break down and it was so complicated, it could not be repaired. It had superb high end sound quality! I had the same with a Integra cd player, wonderous sound, but this one had mechanical troubles and parts were not any more available. No more Onkyo for me ever... 😢
@@momsbasement656 Dirac is very easy to set up on these units. I have often thought that this units is the best thing out there under $3500. It best the Denon X6800 in bench testing
Hi Gene, first of all a big thank you for this review 👍. I own this unit for over a year now and I want to ask if you could be more specific on “holding the Nannie’s “? What are the correct settings?
Thanks for the amazing review Gene, seriously considering it as a replacement for my X3600H. Does it support 6 Atmos channels for a 5.1.6 configuration? Couldn't find that information anywhere.
Nice review! Thanks for posting! I have to wonder if this amp could be a replacement for 2 channel dedicated Jolida tube integrated that I use for my TT & CD player.
Greetings Gene, thank you again for answering my previous question and appreciate your channel and everything you do in the audio world. I’m definitely on the fence between the Marantz Cinema 30 and the Onkyo TXRZ70 The fact that you bench tested, the RZ 70 provides and uncovers a lot of great optimistic results. Should I be focused on the fact that the Marantz has a toroidal transformer and a slightly lower THD? I’m still on the fence. Your suggestion is appreciated. Thank you.
The Marantz SR8015 has been on sale for over six months at under $2000 for a brand new 13.2 channel, 11-ch amp do almost everything AVR. I can't imagine why anyone would pay more for less.
I owned and loved the SR8015 but it's no longer in current production and not a fair comparison. The Onkyo has newer HDMI boards, slightly more powerful amp section and Dirac support.
Very cool, looks like it almost has as much power as my Yamaha RX-Z9... maybe not quite, but close. If I was a onkyo/pioneer/integra fan I'd be pretty excited about these units! And $3000 isn't even that much for a unit like this.
Hi, thanks for the review. You talked about pre-amp output quality. It would be great if you can tell a few budget priced AVRs with clean respectable pre-amp output. Thank you
Great video Gene! I got a TX RZ 3100 that I got about 6 months before Onkyo USA closed its doors. The AVR seems to share the same architecture as the RZ70 . 140 W , 11.2 channels, thx ultra and dual sub control. It is indeed amazing
unfortunately rz3100 has nothing in common with rz70 only with rz3400. I have rz1100, these are class D amplifiers and rz70 is class AB. These are completely different amplifiers with the same power.
I have Polk R200's and R350 center that have serious power requirements that my Marantz SR5015 clearly can't bring to life. Seriously considering grabbing this deal right now! 😬
I had an avr onkyo from 2009 that lasted 11 years despite the hdmi problem, now I have the Rz50 and is a beast, sad thing that the rz70 hasn't arrived here in Mexico. Need audioadvice Mexican branch.
Thanks for the great review, Gene. Very impressive results. I know that this review is not directly about the Pioneer, but do you know if Pioneer plans on making an SC version with D amplifiers? I'm still happily using my Pioneer Elite SC-99 (the last one exclusively made by Pioneer), but I always keep and eye and ear our for what else is coming out.
@@wells2671 AFAIK Pioneer and Onkyo will continue using g their current Class AB design topology since it's very solid and cost effective. I don't see them going back to Class D ICE in the foreseeable future.
I'm looking to upgrade my trusty old Integra integra dhc 80.1 to something that has 4k/atmos support. Where I live I can get the Onkyo RZ50 for half the price of the RZ70. I have external power amps I can use for most channels. Is it worth shelling out for the top model or would the rz50 do the trick? 7.2.2 would be the setup
Thanks Gene! Wondering if you had this hooked up to your Sony TV you mentioned earlier in previous vids( 85x90l) during testing? And if so, did it play nice? Good eARC handshake? Able to access receiver menus? If not, no biggie. Just curious. Thanks!
Was looking forward to this bench test, thank you for taking the time, Gene! I'd +1 to the other comments about a bench test of the RZ-50. One last suggestion, I was curious to see power performance with all 11 channels driven. Any reason you chose 7 channels? Thanks again!
@NMP660 impractical to test more than 7ch, especially since you already reach near the limit of the power supply and standard 15A outlet. Also there are no audio analyzers that go beyond 8CH.
Great review, like always 👍. Also, the Integra and Pioneer similar receivers have 10 more watts and different heat sinks. I'm not sure if that makes any difference.
Hi there i am trying to decide between the RZ70 and the RZ50 , i mainly need it for music , the difference now is about $1000 . The RZ70 is 140 watts and the RZ50 is 130 watts , will i be able to tell the difference when listening to music ? thank you
...... Pre Amp Disconnect. 5:35 - The amps still receive power, from what I understand. I have to assume a set of relays are used to channel signal and power for this disconnect. Would it be plausible to do a passive amp connect via RCA jumpers on the back? .. I only say this ..because .. I've own 2 Denon units where the Relays failed. I can see how the back of a unit with 11 channel or more with RCA jumpers would be very busy.. but .. could that be more practical for routing and matrixing from the pre amp signals?
RZ70 has only 20 watt per stereo channel more = divided over the amplified 10 channels = 2 watts per channel. Is that worth the double price difference?
Thanks for the review I have the NR7100 and I was wondering if this does that same random click every so often. I don't know when it does it just like it's changing something internally? Thanks!
I am confused about being not able to draw the benefits from changing the impedance to 4 ohms on the AVR when running a pair of 4-ohm speakers. Wouldn’t it be beneficial for the amplifier to know that it will be drawing more current? If there is an explanation for this on your Audioholics website or if it restricts the amp in some way, then it makes sense. I understand that this channel is not responsible for any damage I might cause to my gear.
I've been waiting for a straight up comparison to the Integra 8.4. This may be as close as it gets. Do you think there's any performance differences between the two that the average person will notice?
What is the warranty? Anyone dealt with Onkyo warranties recently? Since it was your idea for preamp disconnect, were you compensated? If not you should be. Which brands now offer that in which models?
How does it work if you have louder content on LCR, can it push more watt to those channels when 7 are driven? Do the same rules apply to other channels? Basically can 1 or more channels (the rest not as active) exceed the measured per channel limit with 7 channels driven
Hey Gene I realize you probably can't do it physically, but maybe with your knowledge and your groups knowledge you can do a recommendation for us either poor (me) to people that just don't want to spend a lot on speakers under $2000 a pair for the fronts and of course timber matching center and surrounds❓😮🤔🤔
Thanks for reviewing this monster. I wonder if it is worth $1200 more than the RZ50. Per my understanding, the RZ70 has two separate sub out while 50 has two sub out in parallel. What do you think?
@@Audioholics Understood and thanks for your feedback! Is there any advantage of two independent sub out if both sub are in the same room, on the left and right of the front speakers?
So, Gene, if I add an EMotiva BasX A3 3-channel power amplifier (140 watts RMS per channel; all channels driven) connected to the TX-RZ70's left/right/center preamp outputs, can I blow down the walls of my 7.2.4 home theater? Thanks, Bill 😁
I’ve owned loads of amps and the two onkyo amps I’ve had have been very unreliable due to overheating..one which I sold to a friend actually caught fire..not good at all.
Gene besides power - how would RZ70 compare to something like MRX1140 you have - sound quality and Atmos channel separation wise? I’m gonna build and office system and wondering if I should get RZ70 and move MRX1140 4K to the office instead. I’m interested in dabbling with Dirac and adding Direct Bass Management, would it do better than ARC with Phase Alignment in 7.2.4 system?
I haven't directly compared them. I love the MRX1140 as I own one for my bedroom system. ARC Phase Alignment and the whole calibration process is the easiest of all the room correction systems and does the least harm. The other room corrections like Audyssey and Dirac are more powerful and configurable tools but it requires more effort to get great sound. The amp section in the Onkyo is superior to the Anthem. It's not even close. If you're planning on only using the internal amps and you have low impedance speakers or like to play at high SPL, than the Onkyo is your choice. If you plan on preouting the AVR, then get an AVM70 instead with a few multi-ch amps.
@@Audioholics be curious if you consider one better sound quality then another. And you are upgrading or it’s not an upgrade to MRX1140. I’m a tweaker and probably a half a dozen measurements due to changes and dozen profile tuning options. I do use virtual inputs for Nite mode but that’s something I assume I can toggle in the Onkyo app
@Nikita-P my bedroom system doesn't require more power and I prefer to keep the Anthem in there for simplicity since ARC is so easy to calibrate and it works for that system.
the UL or FTC compliance board needs to review their standards and somehow allow these amplifiers to properly pass UL and/or FTC compliance without the need of these impedance switches. Not sure if they will ever do that or if it's even necessary, but it's all due to very specific guidelines in the UL and/or FTC standard that have no effect on the real world electrical safety but are there anyway that forces companies to put these stupid switches on their amplifiers and receivers anyway.
I have a 7.2.6 Atmos setup. 7 speakers are rated at 4 Ohm (bed layer), and 6 speakers are rated at 6 Ohm (height speakers). These are powered by a Denon X4500H, with external amps for the LCR (because I have to in order to use all channels of processing). I have never experienced any issues whatsoever, and so I was curious about your statement about it not being advisable / realistic to run 4 Ohm speakers of an AVR. Do we have any evidence to suggests that an AVR can't handle 11 (or more) 4 Ohm speakers in a real world scenario where Atmos content is being played back? I would guess that real Atmos content actually very rarely (if ever) demand that all speakers get such amounts of power that an AVR can't handle it. Or? If you do think an AVR needs external amplification, under what circumstances, and how do we tell? I have been contemplating adding more external amplification, but I have yet to see any evidence that it will make a difference.
@@Audioholics Yes you were. With regards to my question on the need for external amplification, what's your take? How do we know if it's needed or not? Is there a reasonably goood way to estimate the power need of your setup?
@@demonreturns4336 since it's launch. It has 9 channels of amplification, but you can do 11 channels in total (e.g. 7.2.4) if you add two channels of external amplification. I.e. it has 11 channels of precessing, and the two subwoofer outputs are independent.
@@Audioholics Onkyo TX-RZ70 Preamplifier Measurements The TX-RZ70 preouts are able to deliver about 4Vrms unclipped from the multi-ch preamp outputs which is more than 2X voltage drive needed to make most external amplifiers reach full unclipped power. Cool 👍 4v wow!
If I Leave the Impedance Selector Switch to 6 Ohms or above and I have 4 Ohms speakers, does the receiver see that 4 Ohm load and applies the power according to the load on the receiver, in this case it would be 2 Dynamic Power 370 watts 4-ohms 1% 2 Dynamic Power 213 watts 8-ohms 1% 2 Dynamic Power 370 watts 4-ohms 1%
@@Audioholics You are the man your Knowledge and Testing is King, I call Crutchfield and Onkyo and told them about the not changing the default Impedance switch and that I have Polk L600 and L800 towers and they said I could damage my speakers and I then told them this so they can better help inform the consumer I had my Impedance switch set to 4 Ohms how sad to do that to the consumer then walked Onkyo out the the review site and showed them Editorial Note: Impedance Selector Switch - No matter how tempted you may be to do so, we DO NOT recommend changing the default "6 ohm min" impedance setting of ANY AV receiver, especially this unit. All this does is starve your speakers of power, simply so the manufacturer can get 4-ohm certification (at a reduced power level) without making the receiver get too hot during their power tests. We have tested this 'feature' on virtually every receiver that has offered it in the past, and the results were always the same: the low impedance setting significantly robs your speakers of power..
@@ITWINGMAN Sadly, your dealing with unknowledgeable people from both companies. You will definitely cause more damage to your speakers by constantly clipping your amp in the low impedance mode.
@@AudioholicsThe RZ70 allows you to BI-AMP the Left-Center-Right Speakers which I did on my Polk L800, so please tell me the power now for each speaker.
Wouldn't it be AWESOME if this Onkyo was the first of the mark to give at least 7 channels of 150W full rated power rms 20hz 20kHw and 140W for the remaining 4 channels that would be the Best bench testing Reciever wouldn't that be Something ❤
Gene it's a great product for the money but l'd like it if you could push manufacturer to gone down the path of full rated power rms 20hz 20kHw at least 7 channels 150W minimum & for the effect 130W that would be the BEST BENCHING RECIEVER EVER period something we haven't yet seen from any manufacturer yet .
@@arthurtaso8055 Onkyo is losing money with this AVR to gain marketshare. You're never going to get an AVR at this price that is more powerful. If you want something more powerful, you're going to have to step up to a Denon A1H which is significantly more money. I am very pleased with what Onkyo offers in this AVR and I would never ask them to make it more powerful without increasing the price.
Gene even the A1h doesn't do full rated power rms 20hz 20kHw with more than 2 channels just saying it would be AWESOME to see a reciever do that who will be the first manufacturer not like the the past greats .
I was tempted to jump on the 8015 price cut as well, but saw a review on a different, a thorough test bench analytical channel, and they put the quality of the 8015 in the thin sounding category, and the Onkyo in the Rz50 in a higher sound quality category. It gave me enough doubt that I decided to wait despite the excellent deal offered on the 8015.
When I had to throw away a fabulous Onkyo receiver as they ran out of HDMI chips that were destroying every single one of many of their range at the time, they lost me as a customer. $2.5k receiver in the bin because of one chip they couldn't supply.
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@@Audioholics Now it’s 1999 at Audio Advice.
Reminds me back in the day when all the receivers like Carver, Mcintosh, Pioneer, and Onkyo were massive, heavy with plenty of power.
My Onkyo Tx-nr1007 is quite heavy
Also the TOTAL HARMONIC DISTORTION WARS WERE ON.
Remember that audiophiles actually believed that they could hear the difference between
0.03% and 0.003% THD / IMD???
Great review Gene. You have been my go to reviewer for the past 12 years before I purchased any audio products. I appreciate what you do.
Yes! Dirac included at a very reasonable price. Maybe Onkyo is truly finally back. Just 🙏 the boards and chips last. Thank you Gene, this was fast you jumped right on the testing for us. TY 🤗🤗🤗🤗 Freakin awesome 👌 big watts, low distortion, with 7 channels driven at a great price 👍. Dang, now I gotta find $3k. 😅 oh, crap, this will mean i need new speakers 🙀🙀🙀😂
@@robwr737 on sale for $2300 RN!
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My 5009 still going strong with heat sinks on all the hot chips as identified with an ir camera!
That the internal parts last, exactly!!
Bang for buck. It's what Onkyo does very well. 👌
Badass Award 💪🏻
You're a class act Gene - and another great in depth review. Not often you get this excited over a product, and I was about to buy the RZ-50 at $1000.00 / and I thought that was great. But your affiliate link has this receiver for $1999.00??? I'm speechless - and pulling the trigger right now. Thanks so much Gene.
It's a crazy deal that I don't think we will see again anytime soon.
@@Audioholics thanks for the email - there was a link at the bottom. I can't wait!!! 😄😄😄
How much better are the internals vs the RZ-50? Worth the extra $1k?
@@bwheels02 the power supplies have been redesigned and the heat sinks are far more prevalent.
My personal advice - upgrading to the RZ-70 from the RZ-50 is not advisable UNLESS you find the RZ-70 on sale like it is at Crutchfield for $1999.00.
I've missed these bench testing, more please.😊
Excellent review Gene. I'm going to keep an eye on this unit. If ever my Onkyo TX-SR805 dies, this is top of the list to replace it.
@@larrystoogel2371 eventually your hdmi board will fail and overheat 😕
Yeah, amazon had it down to $2,299.00, plus the additional 5% back on the prime card. I was waiting for Gene's review. My wife is out on a weekend trip with the ladies and there was no one here to stop me... ;) So I pulled the trigger, my denon 3600H is going to the fb marketplace. (she's been great) I was wanting more power for my 2 channel towers (B&W's), plus all my surrounds are Klipsch. VERY excited. (New gear is fun.) Thanks Gene, I will be sure to bring your name up on Monday when a big box shows up and you are partially to blame. I will be excited to see the additional coverage on this. Never used dirac, so hoping you drop a video on setting that up with the Z70.
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I just bought one. Right now I'm using the the rz50. I couldn't turn down the current price being on sale. Honestly above all Gene sold me on this.. Great review
Had several onkyo Thx models in the past and recommended to my friends as well. They always were amazing value, but every single one myself and my friends, all developed hdmi issues. I know its impossible to tell for a while but hopefully no reliability issues and they can start rebuilding the brand. In fairness to onkyo mine was fixed on a recall. My friends was fixed by them out of warranty. Competition is only good for the consumer so I hope they play a blinder.
The systemic HDMI failures haven't been an issue for nearly a decade now. It was definitely a weakness of the late -00s/early-10s Onkyo/Integra design.
Excellent review as usual!
Picked up an RZ50 for $821 delivered from Amazon a couple weeks ago.
@@buki231 nowy czy używany???
Excellent review as always Gene. Not in the position to do a 3k upgrade to my system, just enjoy your reviews. Sticking with my Cinema 60, which is perfect for me at this time.
Excellent work!
Hey Gene...Great Bench test,as always. But seriously waiting for a SONY ES 7000/5000 Proper BENCH TEST from you.
Gene, this is impressive work (again). I've been on the fence on whether or not to buy an AV-receiver/amp as many of them don't perform particularly well. I'm coming from a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120, but I'm missing the LFE and this Onkyo looks most impressive indeed. The one thing that's holding me back is the absence of the manual PEQ you're talking about. I love that on my Lyngdorf. Any thoughts?
Hi Gene, Thanks for your detailed review. 268 watts into 4ohms is great. What are your thoughts on the Onkyo RZ50? It's going for $999 on sale. How similar or different is the sound quality compared to RZ 70? Thanks
Good afternoon Gene, greetings from Gunn Hwy ✌️
my RZ70 is the best receiver ive ever owned and ive had most brands and its better than many more expensive ones--by far, its engaging, its powerful and dynamic, its immersive and fantastic
Ive been using a txsr 876 since 2010. 140x7. The 906 was the flagship at the time. This was the next model down. Bought brand new for like 1200. Used it as my main power source for years. Now i use it as just a pre with poweramps but its still my main home theater processor. Hundreds of hours on it too. Never had an hdmi board issue but i purposely went with the 876 to get the higher end HQV hdmi set.ive had several onkyo and integra products over the last 20 or so years and have never been disappointed. I still use a txsr 601 in my gaming setup. Think i got it in 2001? I think about uograding to a 5508 or 09 to get xlr connections and true dedicated preamp because i still run a 1080p pioneer kuro 60 inch and have no desire to swap that screen any time soon. 1080p on a proper plasma still looks fantastic to me.
You have been VERY lucky not to have had an HDMI board issues with that one
Hey Gene, can you PLEASE do a review of the cheaper RZ-50, the RZ-70 is waay pass my budget.... BTW the ONKYO rep for the US confirmed on a recent podcast with Giles that the RZ-90 is coming pretty soon. I'm already wondering how they're gonna top this and I believe it would have more power and independent sub outs and a higher end DAC 🤔
The Denon X3800h is a better buy. While I want to love the RZ50, it is a 11.1 output and no DLBC. The X3800h measures slightly better and has 11.4 output, and is DL and DLBC upgradable. You can get it for $1000-1300, same price as the RZ50. IMO the X3800h killed the RZ50.
@@andrewskaterrr So you have owned the RZ-50 or you're just doing a side-by-side comparison on paper? I've owned three ONKYO receivers and there is a clear distinction in the house sound of both brands. Denon leans warm while I've found Onkyo to be neutral. I agree about the subwoofer output.
@@JamaicaSocialoczywiście kupiłem kiedyś onkyo nr 686 chciałem ulepszyć do 5.1.4 kupiłem Denon 4400 za 3x tyle pieniędzy co Denon.Tylko denon był nudny.Więc zmieniłem na rz1100 Całkiem inny sprzęt onkyo wygrało dynamiką uderzeniem jedyny minus Subwofer ciężko ustawić.
Hi Gene, thanks for your usual great job. I'm a happy owner of a RZ70 since it came out (almost an year now); I must admit the unit had a few bugs with the first firmwares that are being corrected now with the new releases, but it sounds really good and love Dirac Live (with DLBC).
My setup is made of three amps, with the fronts driven by a stereo amp (that goes into bypass mode when used for home theater) and the 5 other base level speaker driven by my old Onkyo multichannel power amp (PA-MC5501), so the RZ70 is just driving the 4 height channels (I prefer this setup, to spread the load on the two amps, even though the RZ70 would be able to drive all 9 channels on its own).
My height are pure 4ohms and being heights they don't need all the power other channels ofter require, so I've set the RZ70 to the low impedence 4ohm setting, do you still think that it should be set to high impedence even in my particular case?
Rewatch the video and my comments on the 4ohm switch.
You should set it to high impedance then break the switch off so that you or anyone else never puts it in 4ohm mode again. 😊
@@NosEL34 sadly it's done in firmware now and too easily accessible.
Love Onkyo! Been using them since Circuit City days! Could you please do a video on how to prevent dust build up on electronics and the safest way to clean them? I’ve used vacuum’s and compressed dust spray.
The integra version of it what I’m super interested in because it has xlr outputs for the front 3 channels!
Love my DRX-8.4, go for it!
Hey Gene. You've got a subscriber all the way from South Africa.
Great content as usual.
About the power consumption rated on the back of the receiver, did you measure the power consumption on the electric wall plug while testing or playing a movie or something?
Asking, because I've the RZ830 which is rated 850 watt, however, I've measured the actual electrical power consumption while listening at reference level, 5.1.4 channels using power consumption measurement Bluetooth plug, and usually it never goes beyond 300 watts, with explosions etc. it would reach 350 watts momentarily for few seconds only.
I'm keen to know this for RZ70.
Thank you
@saplinbisjac No I didn't but it's pretty easy to calculate. You'd be surprised how little average power you use during normal listening, especially if your speakers are all bass managed.
Proves the old adage. Good things come to those who wait. Glad this exists. The up-market is getting kind of silly.
Very nice, I owned top of the line flagship Onkyo Integra of € 4000 and after some years it started to break down and it was so complicated, it could not be repaired. It had superb high end sound quality! I had the same with a Integra cd player, wonderous sound, but this one had mechanical troubles and parts were not any more available. No more Onkyo for me ever... 😢
Dang it you beat me to the punch. I’m in the process of reviewing the Pioneer Elite LX805
It just needs 4 independent sub outs and PEQ and it's perfect
Yeah, that's the main reason I got a Denon X3800h instead. Also people were having major Dirac issues on Onkyo at the time.
@@momsbasement656 you can add a mini dsp x4 and you can configure it to get 4 independent subs
@@momsbasement656 Dirac is very easy to set up on these units. I have often thought that this units is the best thing out there under $3500. It best the Denon X6800 in bench testing
Hi Gene, first of all a big thank you for this review 👍. I own this unit for over a year now and I want to ask if you could be more specific on “holding the Nannie’s “? What are the correct settings?
Thanks for the amazing review Gene, seriously considering it as a replacement for my X3600H. Does it support 6 Atmos channels for a 5.1.6 configuration? Couldn't find that information anywhere.
No. 4 height channels is the max for this unit.
THX FOR THIS REVIEW..I WAS THINKING OF GETING THIS AVR..OTHER THAN THE SONY..
Nice review! Thanks for posting! I have to wonder if this amp could be a replacement for 2 channel dedicated Jolida tube integrated that I use for my TT & CD player.
Greetings Gene, thank you again for answering my previous question and appreciate your channel and everything you do in the audio world.
I’m definitely on the fence between the Marantz Cinema 30 and the Onkyo TXRZ70
The fact that you bench tested, the RZ 70 provides and uncovers a lot of great optimistic results. Should I be focused on the fact that the Marantz has a toroidal transformer and a slightly lower THD?
I’m still on the fence.
Your suggestion is appreciated. Thank you.
Thanks so much for this, Gene.
Would love to see you put the Cinema 30 on the bench.
@@jokerwonga amp section of Cinema 30 is identical to the SR8015 that I bench tested a few years ago on this channel.
@@Audioholics Oh, that’s good to know. I’ve got a hard decision to make between the Cinema 30 and the RZ70!
The Marantz SR8015 has been on sale for over six months at under $2000 for a brand new 13.2 channel, 11-ch amp do almost everything AVR. I can't imagine why anyone would pay more for less.
I owned and loved the SR8015 but it's no longer in current production and not a fair comparison. The Onkyo has newer HDMI boards, slightly more powerful amp section and Dirac support.
Very cool, looks like it almost has as much power as my Yamaha RX-Z9... maybe not quite, but close. If I was a onkyo/pioneer/integra fan I'd be pretty excited about these units! And $3000 isn't even that much for a unit like this.
Hi, thanks for the review. You talked about pre-amp output quality. It would be great if you can tell a few budget priced AVRs with clean respectable pre-amp output. Thank you
Gene,SONY ES 7000/5000 BENCH TEST by you plssss✌🏻
Great Video for RZ70 👍🏻
Great video Gene! I got a TX RZ 3100 that I got about 6 months before Onkyo USA closed its doors. The AVR seems to share the same architecture as the RZ70 . 140 W , 11.2 channels, thx ultra and dual sub control. It is indeed amazing
unfortunately rz3100 has nothing in common with rz70 only with rz3400. I have rz1100, these are class D amplifiers and rz70 is class AB. These are completely different amplifiers with the same power.
Nice video, thanks :)
I have Polk R200's and R350 center that have serious power requirements that my Marantz SR5015 clearly can't bring to life. Seriously considering grabbing this deal right now! 😬
I had an avr onkyo from 2009 that lasted 11 years despite the hdmi problem, now I have the Rz50 and is a beast, sad thing that the rz70 hasn't arrived here in Mexico. Need audioadvice Mexican branch.
I have a TX-RZ50. I wonder how it compares in multiple channels.
It would be great info for us RZ50 owners!
Thanks for the great review, Gene. Very impressive results. I know that this review is not directly about the Pioneer, but do you know if Pioneer plans on making an SC version with D amplifiers? I'm still happily using my Pioneer Elite SC-99 (the last one exclusively made by Pioneer), but I always keep and eye and ear our for what else is coming out.
@@wells2671 AFAIK Pioneer and Onkyo will continue using g their current Class AB design topology since it's very solid and cost effective. I don't see them going back to Class D ICE in the foreseeable future.
I'm looking to upgrade my trusty old Integra integra dhc 80.1 to something that has 4k/atmos support. Where I live I can get the Onkyo RZ50 for half the price of the RZ70. I have external power amps I can use for most channels. Is it worth shelling out for the top model or would the rz50 do the trick? 7.2.2 would be the setup
345 on the bench as well. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
I'm a Denon man. Nice AVR.
Thanks Gene! Wondering if you had this hooked up to your Sony TV you mentioned earlier in previous vids( 85x90l) during testing? And if so, did it play nice? Good eARC handshake? Able to access receiver menus? If not, no biggie. Just curious. Thanks!
Was looking forward to this bench test, thank you for taking the time, Gene! I'd +1 to the other comments about a bench test of the RZ-50.
One last suggestion, I was curious to see power performance with all 11 channels driven. Any reason you chose 7 channels? Thanks again!
@NMP660 impractical to test more than 7ch, especially since you already reach near the limit of the power supply and standard 15A outlet. Also there are no audio analyzers that go beyond 8CH.
@@Audioholics Good to know, thank you for the reply! I figured there was a good reason. 🙂
Great review, like always 👍. Also, the Integra and Pioneer similar receivers have 10 more watts and different heat sinks. I'm not sure if that makes any difference.
Doubtful, especially with the same power consumption rating on the back panel.
Hi there i am trying to decide between the RZ70 and the RZ50 , i mainly need it for music , the difference now is about $1000 . The RZ70 is 140 watts and the RZ50 is 130 watts , will i be able to tell the difference when listening to music ? thank you
Impressive! I'm hoping future generations of receivers go to class D amplification.
To get class D right in an AV receiver it's going to be expensive. The RZ50 struggle.
The new models from JBL are class D.
@@dansuess4859 but not in normal folks RZ70 price range.
@@wezzman1 They have five new models, all class D I believe. Big price range. No word if they'll be available in the US.
Any inside info regarding Dirac ART release for Onkyo RZ70 ?
...... Pre Amp Disconnect. 5:35 - The amps still receive power, from what I understand. I have to assume a set of relays are used to channel signal and power for this disconnect.
Would it be plausible to do a passive amp connect via RCA jumpers on the back? ..
I only say this ..because .. I've own 2 Denon units where the Relays failed. I can see how the back of a unit with 11 channel or more with RCA jumpers would be very busy.. but .. could that be more practical for routing and matrixing from the pre amp signals?
RZ70 has only 20 watt per stereo channel more = divided over the amplified 10 channels = 2 watts per channel.
Is that worth the double price difference?
Thanks for the review I have the NR7100 and I was wondering if this does that same random click every so often. I don't know when it does it just like it's changing something internally? Thanks!
Makes me want to sell my RZ 50 and upgrade to the 70.
😅this hobby will make us go bankrupt
Wondering did you ever do this test with the rz50? If so I’m interested in checking it out!
Please Gene!... test the RZ50 in the same way 🙂
I am confused about being not able to draw the benefits from changing the impedance to 4 ohms on the AVR when running a pair of 4-ohm speakers.
Wouldn’t it be beneficial for the amplifier to know that it will be drawing more current? If there is an explanation for this on your Audioholics website or if it restricts the amp in some way, then it makes sense. I understand that this channel is not responsible for any damage I might cause to my gear.
Yes Dirac downsamples to 48khz/24bit.
Gday sir Gene, thanks for the rz70 review, for 2 ch stereo music listening this one or the Yamaha a8a?
yes!
@@Audioholicsthank you sir
Thanks for the review. I'm looking at the TX-RZ70 how does it compare to Yamaha A8A in your opinion?
I have the same question, Gene!
Yamaha A8A and A6A on sell at BB for 24hrs only starting today.
@@jsil36 Also this RZ70 is on sale for $1999 at Crutchfield for 2 days!! that's why we need an answer :)
I went ahead and got the Yamaha A8A. Wanted to try something different this time.
wonderful review! I can't make up my mind between the Sony STR-AZ7000ES or the Onkyo! HELP.
@@gregorygoldbarth7464 Onkyo!
@@Audioholics thank you Gene!
I've been waiting for a straight up comparison to the Integra 8.4. This may be as close as it gets. Do you think there's any performance differences between the two that the average person will notice?
What cheaper options are there for people who want similar sound quality but do not need so many speaker channels or features?
How does it compare to the sony which I heard has great spatule
Out of my price range $4000 Canadian ... but very nice Receivers .. my max price would be $2000 .. because there is always something new coming out.
What is the warranty? Anyone dealt with Onkyo warranties recently? Since it was your idea for preamp disconnect, were you compensated? If not you should be. Which brands now offer that in which models?
When bench test of Denon A1H ????????
How does it work if you have louder content on LCR, can it push more watt to those channels when 7 are driven?
Do the same rules apply to other channels? Basically can 1 or more channels (the rest not as active) exceed the measured per channel limit with 7 channels driven
Hey Gene I realize you probably can't do it physically, but maybe with your knowledge and your groups knowledge you can do a recommendation for us either poor (me) to people that just don't want to spend a lot on speakers under $2000 a pair for the fronts and of course timber matching center and surrounds❓😮🤔🤔
Where in the setup menu is the Pre amp disconnect mode ?
Thanks for reviewing this monster.
I wonder if it is worth $1200 more than the RZ50. Per my understanding, the RZ70 has two separate sub out while 50 has two sub out in parallel. What do you think?
@@FrankGiovani yes, it's worth it if you're running 4 ohm speakers and also need 2 independent sub outs.
@@Audioholics Understood and thanks for your feedback!
Is there any advantage of two independent sub out if both sub are in the same room, on the left and right of the front speakers?
Still waiting on the Sony 7000 avr review for what feels like a year...
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@@Audioholics Thanks, I seen that. Waiting on the review
@@trauma50disaster1 Tell Matt Poes @PoesAcoustics to get on it!
So, Gene, if I add an EMotiva BasX A3 3-channel power amplifier (140 watts RMS per channel; all channels driven) connected to the TX-RZ70's left/right/center preamp outputs, can I blow down the walls of my 7.2.4 home theater? Thanks, Bill 😁
@@williampalmer4427 I wouldn't use BasX to supplement this AVR. Use the internal amps in that case.
Do you have any jitter tests? The Z50 seemed to have jitter issues as found by Audio Science Review.
@@TrueStereo- the DAC tested just fine on my bench tests. Jitter tests weren't needed.
I’ve owned loads of amps and the two onkyo amps I’ve had have been very unreliable due to overheating..one which I sold to a friend actually caught fire..not good at all.
If you were driving 9 channels, would it be better to leave that extra headroom, or bi-amp the L/R and use all 11?
Anyone have any general thoughts/preference for leaving extra headroom or bi-amping?
Gene besides power - how would RZ70 compare to something like MRX1140 you have - sound quality and Atmos channel separation wise? I’m gonna build and office system and wondering if I should get RZ70 and move MRX1140 4K to the office instead. I’m interested in dabbling with Dirac and adding Direct Bass Management, would it do better than ARC with Phase Alignment in 7.2.4 system?
I haven't directly compared them. I love the MRX1140 as I own one for my bedroom system. ARC Phase Alignment and the whole calibration process is the easiest of all the room correction systems and does the least harm. The other room corrections like Audyssey and Dirac are more powerful and configurable tools but it requires more effort to get great sound. The amp section in the Onkyo is superior to the Anthem. It's not even close. If you're planning on only using the internal amps and you have low impedance speakers or like to play at high SPL, than the Onkyo is your choice. If you plan on preouting the AVR, then get an AVM70 instead with a few multi-ch amps.
@@Audioholics be curious if you consider one better sound quality then another. And you are upgrading or it’s not an upgrade to MRX1140. I’m a tweaker and probably a half a dozen measurements due to changes and dozen profile tuning options. I do use virtual inputs for Nite mode but that’s something I assume I can toggle in the Onkyo app
@Nikita-P my bedroom system doesn't require more power and I prefer to keep the Anthem in there for simplicity since ARC is so easy to calibrate and it works for that system.
yamaha can learn a lot
the UL or FTC compliance board needs to review their standards and somehow allow these amplifiers to properly pass UL and/or FTC compliance without the need of these impedance switches. Not sure if they will ever do that or if it's even necessary, but it's all due to very specific guidelines in the UL and/or FTC standard that have no effect on the real world electrical safety but are there anyway that forces companies to put these stupid switches on their amplifiers and receivers anyway.
Agreed!
I have a 7.2.6 Atmos setup. 7 speakers are rated at 4 Ohm (bed layer), and 6 speakers are rated at 6 Ohm (height speakers). These are powered by a Denon X4500H, with external amps for the LCR (because I have to in order to use all channels of processing). I have never experienced any issues whatsoever, and so I was curious about your statement about it not being advisable / realistic to run 4 Ohm speakers of an AVR. Do we have any evidence to suggests that an AVR can't handle 11 (or more) 4 Ohm speakers in a real world scenario where Atmos content is being played back? I would guess that real Atmos content actually very rarely (if ever) demand that all speakers get such amounts of power that an AVR can't handle it. Or? If you do think an AVR needs external amplification, under what circumstances, and how do we tell? I have been contemplating adding more external amplification, but I have yet to see any evidence that it will make a difference.
I was very clear about the impedance switch setting. I never suggested you can't drive 4 ohm speakers with this AVR.
@@Audioholics Yes you were. With regards to my question on the need for external amplification, what's your take? How do we know if it's needed or not? Is there a reasonably goood way to estimate the power need of your setup?
Since when does the denon 4500 able to process that many speakers at once 🤔
@@demonreturns4336 since it's launch. It has 9 channels of amplification, but you can do 11 channels in total (e.g. 7.2.4) if you add two channels of external amplification. I.e. it has 11 channels of precessing, and the two subwoofer outputs are independent.
What is the rca preout voltage?
@@menash41 it's all in the report online and video.
@@Audioholics
Onkyo TX-RZ70 Preamplifier Measurements
The TX-RZ70 preouts are able to deliver about 4Vrms unclipped from the multi-ch preamp outputs which is more than 2X voltage drive needed to make most external amplifiers reach full unclipped power.
Cool 👍 4v wow!
Why does it have to be so ugly though? smh
Great review.
Can the rz90 please be class D 😭 I want a single AVR that’s a beast like this but cool & efficient that won’t be a space heater..
If I Leave the Impedance Selector Switch to 6 Ohms or above and I have 4 Ohms speakers, does the receiver see that 4 Ohm load and applies the power according to the load on the receiver, in this case it would be 2 Dynamic Power 370 watts 4-ohms 1%
2 Dynamic Power 213 watts 8-ohms 1%
2 Dynamic Power 370 watts 4-ohms 1%
@@ITWINGMAN the receiver will deliver the power I showed in the default impedance oosition.
@@Audioholics You are the man your Knowledge and Testing is King, I call Crutchfield and Onkyo and told them about the not changing the default Impedance switch and that I have Polk L600 and L800 towers and they said I could damage my speakers and I then told them this so they can better help inform the consumer I had my Impedance switch set to 4 Ohms how sad to do that to the consumer then walked Onkyo out the the review site and showed them Editorial Note: Impedance Selector Switch - No matter how tempted you may be to do so, we DO NOT recommend changing the default "6 ohm min" impedance setting of ANY AV receiver, especially this unit. All this does is starve your speakers of power, simply so the manufacturer can get 4-ohm certification (at a reduced power level) without making the receiver get too hot during their power tests. We have tested this 'feature' on virtually every receiver that has offered it in the past, and the results were always the same: the low impedance setting significantly robs your speakers of power..
@@ITWINGMAN Sadly, your dealing with unknowledgeable people from both companies. You will definitely cause more damage to your speakers by constantly clipping your amp in the low impedance mode.
@@AudioholicsThe RZ70 allows you to BI-AMP the Left-Center-Right Speakers which I did on my Polk L800, so please tell me the power now for each speaker.
@@ITWINGMAN easily rated power w 4ch driven. Look at my measurements for 5ch.
I think this is on sale for 500 off.
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Integra is Onkyo. Integra is to Onkyo as Lexus is to Toyota.
So Amazon has the Yamaha RX A8A and the Onkyo RZ70@2300 bucks which one's the better by
Can't answer that if you buy from Amazon.
Wow
Wouldn't it be AWESOME if this Onkyo was the first of the mark to give at least 7 channels of 150W full rated power rms 20hz
20kHw and 140W for the remaining 4 channels that would be the Best bench testing Reciever wouldn't that be Something ❤
It's nice what the unit already does for under $2800. Nothing else comes close. 1600 watts output power is very close to 15A outlet capability.
Gene it's a great product for the money but l'd like it if you could push manufacturer to gone down the path of full rated power rms 20hz 20kHw at least 7 channels 150W minimum & for the effect 130W that would be the BEST BENCHING RECIEVER EVER period something we haven't yet seen from any manufacturer yet .
@@arthurtaso8055 Onkyo is losing money with this AVR to gain marketshare. You're never going to get an AVR at this price that is more powerful. If you want something more powerful, you're going to have to step up to a Denon A1H which is significantly more money. I am very pleased with what Onkyo offers in this AVR and I would never ask them to make it more powerful without increasing the price.
Gene even the A1h doesn't do full rated power rms 20hz 20kHw with more than 2 channels just saying it would be AWESOME to see a reciever do that who will be the first manufacturer not like the the
past greats .
@@arthurtaso8055 the A1h will do 70% of 2ch rating with 9CH driven. There is no other AVR more powerful than that currently on the market.
I just got a sr8015. Now Onkyo seems better. Which one do I pick
I so confuse
I was tempted to jump on the 8015 price cut as well, but saw a review on a different, a thorough test bench analytical channel, and they put the quality of the 8015 in the thin sounding category, and the Onkyo in the Rz50 in a higher sound quality category. It gave me enough doubt that I decided to wait despite the excellent deal offered on the 8015.
@@stevet7487 The SR8015 is a great AVR and definitely not "thin sounding" unless the user did a bad calibration.
The Integra has to be one of the ugliest AVRS of all times. Looks like its from the early 90s.
When I had to throw away a fabulous Onkyo receiver as they ran out of HDMI chips that were destroying every single one of many of their range at the time, they lost me as a customer. $2.5k receiver in the bin because of one chip they couldn't supply.
The pioneer has more power I put $100 on it.
Nope, share same power supply, (see 1190W on rear power rating, for both, EU, 230V models)
He explained why they probably under rated the Onkyo in the review.
😮💨this hobby will make us go bankrupt
Whata way to go! Ears content and smiles on the face
Does it support Dolby Atmos Music and 360 Reality Audio like the denon? Thanks
$2800 US is a joke, wish i was American.