2021-02-07 Small Sunday on my Twice Baked Super Groveler Surfboard
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2021
- On days that are too small to review a board, I thought I'd just post of video of of me surfing the Twice Baked.
Still working on my Neckbeard 2 review which would have been done if my Soloshot didn't fail me yesterday.
Anyways, if you know of any other super grovelers, let me know. I'm talking 5'1 to 5'3 at or above 30 L for a 5'1 and 32 to 33L for a 5'3. I want to see if other boards ride as well.
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Love watching you surf. Thanks for keeping the paddle in as part of the clips!
Absolutely agree, they are super grovelers and love mine. Got the 5'7" at 38l, being 5'9" & 75kg (165lb?) I normally ride around the 32 - 33l mark and after almost 50 years of surfing still firmly believe, life is to short to ride a long board :)
Yeah nice. I have had a baked or sweet in my quiver for years. Now have a lost bean bag that's a mega grovelling masterpiece too 🤙
Just got myself a 5'5 baked potato after watching your other video.
I just took my Baked Potato out in some slop and had a ton of fun 🤩 Great video!
Soo good! Looking at one of these for those crappy high tide beachbreak days for sure.
Keep up the good work mate. Yew! 🤙
Nice surfing, as always. Your grovel sessions could be considered epic days at our local, ha :)
Yup those sessions... where you dont expect much and the reports say bring your longboard but then you get there and start flowing down the line on your shortboard wave after wave.
I have a Joistik Surfboards board called the Cab Sav. It's 5'4 and 34L. It's shaped by a Nick Blair on the Northern Beaches of Sydney, Australia. Similar to the twice baked. I have an epoxy version. Ride it as a quad. EA Blackstix for the front fins and HS quad rears. All in futures. I get so many waves. I also ride it in bigger fat slow surf. Best board I ever purchased. So much fun. Prefer my backhand on it.
You were definitely having more fun than the long boarders. Closest I can recall, off the top of my head, to a groveler is the Lost Puddle Jumper.
the puddle number jumper looks good too, I have always been curious about that board but I put that board in the groveler category vs super groveler. I think it is closer to my seaside in terms of height to volume ratio. But still a fun looking board. Almost looks like the average jo.
@@ThomyeSurfs The lost Hydra is more towards a super groveler
@@DarkWillg21 I am a groveler Junkie, having been very skinny and HP in my younger years, the weight comes and it doesn't leave. Tom is correct, I have the Hydra and it planes like a magnificent beast - BUT - My baked potato and twice baked are the best for true, awful junk.
Awesome footage and looking forward to the NB2 review!
One board that I've seen one guy used a pretty small day was a 'Bento Box' from Solid Surf, and it's been on my list to grab if I ever see one for sale used. It looks like a mini Simmons with a quad setup and the 5'3 has 37.2L, although it definitely doesn't have as much of a performance outline as the potato boards.
I will have to check that out.
Just looked one up. It's sweet. Basically a mini simmons according to description.
Watching this footage and the more recent sweet potato 2 video looks like its time to sell the twice baked and get a sweet potato 2. Once you get used to it your timing on it will be better and it will be the go to for uber groveller sessions.
That helium tech I think helps. I would love my old baked back in helium. If I knew they were going to discontinue it I definitely would have bought one when I had the chance.
You might like the built for speed by Timmy Patterson less grovely but it’s my favorite board for small waves I’m 5’7 and 135 and I ride a 5’6 and it goes great
Thanks sir, I've been contemplating Seaside or Baked? I think Baked, I'm 5'10" 175+ and thinking bout the 5.7 to grow old with me lol! I have the beyond and I love it, thinks for all you'll posts! -Tommy Surfs too!
Thanks!
haha. that's why I bought the 5'3 instead of the 5'1, to "grow old" with it. :)
Von sol manta best groveler I’ve ever ridden and I’ve ridden nearly all of em. Btw ur ripping out there!
Going to put that on my list. Either you mentioned it before or someone else did. Thanks
I second the Manta! Be warned it takes some getting use to but once you “get it” its a total blast in the smallest waves imaginable.
nice and looks like a great option for the summer time (I was thinking on the seaside) . Just one question, how many Litters did you add to this board, compared to your usual daily board ? Just afraid to have to many litters
this is a tough question mostly because we have to agree on the daily driver. My daily driver is the seaside 5'3 which is 28.2L. Having said that, if I were to get a performance board, say 5'8, it would probably be closer to 25L. Anyways, I'm 5'8 and 145 lbs and the reason I ride the Seaside in 5'3 vs 5'2 is I need it longer. I have the 5'2 but it looks too short on me when surfing. If the 5'3 were to be 2 Liters less, I would probably surf it more critically but the 5'3 as is surfs pretty good at my break.
I could probably have gone with the 5'1 Twice Baked which is 28.3L but that would literally be the same volume as my Seaside. It would surf almost the same except I lose performance as the waves get bigger. So, in order to keep it a "Super Groveler" vs just groveler like my Seaside, I decided to go with the 5'3 which is 31.6L. Not only is it more liters but it is also a tad wider. Width doesn't get the attention as it deserves. Think about a skin boarder, almost no volume get once he has speed, thing glides also, to make it glide better, what do skin boarders to? they turn the board to have move width. Having said, this next part is important.
If you are trying to choose between the two, Seaside and Twice Baked, and you want a board that surfs with as much performance as possible, then go with the same volume. Either would work but as the waves get bigger, the drop off for performance is pretty quick with the Twice Baked. If you buy the TB with more volume, you lose performance right off the start but you end up paddling better. But don't go too much bigger, I would go wit the same height. If you are looking at the 5'5 Seaside, then the 5'5 TB is fine. the extra volume and WIDTH will make it a super groveler.
Hope that made sense.
That same day I used a friends Von Sol - Manta at Trestles/Barbs. It was similar conditions. I couldn’t believe how amazing it was!! The Manta feels kind of like you’re just floating. You can’t really “put it on rail” yet it is unbelievably loose and turns on a dime even on a wave with no push. I was telling another surf buddy about it and how I wanted to get something like the Manta for when it get’s that small. He suggested a Lost Puddle Jumper HP and gave me his to try out. It’s been amazing. You can totally put it on rail and is super responsive and loose....thing is I’ve only surfed it in 3-5’ waves. I really want to get it in some junk waves and see how it does. If you could get your hands on either, I’d dig hearing your perspective.
I'll keep my eyes open. I have a buddy with an average joe, which I'll test and another buddy with a Lost Hydra. I'll test that as well. Wish I had more surf days. Just surfing weekends makes it tough to pump out boards.
@@ThomyeSurfs Just an update on the PJHP... Took it out at Trestles/Barbs today in mushy 2-4 surf and it went spectacularly. I think I like that it rides like a performance board opposed to the Manta that's way more floaty... But I'm sure the Manta could handle smaller surf then the PJHP. I might just have to add both to my quiver lol
@@dustystarr2297 LOL. I know, too many options. But you know, it's like I tell my wife and others that don't seem to understand surfing and surfboards. You don't Drive with a putter and you don't putt with a Driver. All surfers should have a quiver to maximize their fun, performance, and challenge themselves with things like a mid or mini simmons. :)
Seemed to work, wife agreed or at least acknowledged she understood.
@@ThomyeSurfs Golf is a perfect analogy!
Lost Bean Bag, haven't surfed one. Looks like it would do well in these "flat" conditions. Had an Al Merrick Biscuit ages ago which I think would be around the 32L mark at 5'3. At the time I didn't even really consider volume, so I got it waaayyy oversized (I'm 6'1 and 75kg) at 5'10. I think that would be close to 40L or something around that haha! My actual volume range (intermediate) is 30-33L depending on the board.
that is a good ratio. I remember that board, thanks for reminding me of it. That is definitely a Super Groveler.
i have a lost bean bag and, while i’m not a very good surfer, it will go in practically nothing. i have a 5’10 and it’s 39L. it’s hella fun in a flat faced wave. it’s also fun for just trying to turn into shore break bangers. it’s the closest thing i’ve felt to a skateboard on the water. that may be because it is very ‘on top’ of the water being that it is libtech epoxy.
Also adding onto this. My bean bag is one of my favorite boards. I absolutely love it. It definitely fits into the “super groveler” category.
@@steve-g- yeah, I think it is right in line with the Sweet Potato. Slightly more grovel than the Twice Baked. :) worth a try for sure. I need to find one in 5'2"
You should check out the DMS Gherkin 5'4 is 33.1L
What fins set up on your twice baked? Have you tried a mini simmons or a twin fin fish like a Christenson fish? Twin fins fly down the line and could be fun on these waves.
quad, stretch fins. Someone also mentioned the mini simmons. I am at this very moment, looking at the ECimmons. that things looks really cool. I would ride it pretty short though, 5'0
Liking the footage and music! I dont like the usual groveler/super groveler shapes but like smaller foam surfboards as well as mini simmons shapes. I think that they do really well when the surf is poor. I have a 4'10 mini simmons that has a crazy 37L and feels like a magic carpet in waves like yours. Still looking out for the 7'0 froth review too!
oh yeah, didn't think about a mini simmons. I remember a board called the soap, cuz it looked like a bar of soap. haha
I need to find one.
shoot that's right. Been trying to knock out my neckbeard 2 review so that I can sell it. haha I think there are some decent waves coming. i'll try and get a little footage on it. won't need much on a better.
just inquired about mini simmons from Eric Christenson. I think he calls it an ECimmons. thanks for the great idea. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs yeah I also need to sell a few boards to make room. Was eyeing this one but was a bit too expensive offerup com/item/detail/1001272060/
This board is close to you and seems like a decent deal costa-mesa-mini-simmons-quad/7277173618
@@Nick-bl6hm I think the price is good but the board looks too tall for me. I was thinking about ordering one from EC www.ecsurfboards.com/surfboards/neo-classics/ecimmons/
I have a buddy that orders 2 to 3 boards from this guy every year and swears by them. I haven't had the interested his boards seem too retro for me but I think a mini simmons is in his wheelhouse.
It does look like you are the one out there having more fun and catching more waves even more than the longboarders. I have got a Chumlee (super groveler) [FW] but find that the release of the tail is not the greatest; also, I am riding it as a thruster. Considering getting a twice baked
I know what you mean. I had a chumlee too and felt the same way. Going from the baked potato to the chumlee was disappointing.
Not sure if I should get the Lost Puddle Jumper HP or a Twice Baked. These boards are on the expensive side over here in Australia
@@GuiKeller I think they are different boards. The hp isn't a super groveler. It's considered a high performance groveler. But if you buy a big enough it'll grovel fine. But that is what makes the potato line better grovelers. You can get them short.
Love my twice baked, feels like it is cheating! Do you get your super grovelers with any extra liters of volume compared to what you normally ride in something the seaside? I got mine 3-4L more volume and if I had to do it again I'd go more like 1-2L extra. Other funny thing for me about the twice baked is that it feels almost like a longboard and I have to remember to surf it off back foot like a shortboard.
so I normally would ride a 5'3 Seaside which I think is 28.2 Liters (off the top of my head). If I got the 5'1 Twice or Baked, it would be about a liter more. But it would also surf very similar since they are about the same width. So, I opted for the 5''3 Twice which I think is 31.9L That is almost 4 L more. And although I lose some performance, it am still able to throw it around so I think I made the right choice. In the original review, I did say that if I had the money, I would buy the 5'1 as well. But for now, I'm super happy with the 5'3.
This board TO ME looks best for you and second is the Seaside & Beyond
Yo T, have you ever put the machado quads (seaside fins) on the twice baked? If so, thoughts? I was going to try it for fun next tiny wave session.
I haven't yet. I was thinking that very thing today. Next time I will try it.
Reminds me of sessions I have. Sitting inside longboards and cleaning up yet still able to get in loads of turns. I have a Chumlee and find it can catch pretty much anything. When it’s small I set it up as with twin keels and a Nubster and it’s really fun and loose, yet still positive. Any thoughts on the twice baked v Chumlee? (Don’t know if you have one)
I used to have a 5'3 Chumlee and comparing that to my Baked which was 5'1, I liked the baked potato much more. Having said that, I also like my new 5'3 Twice Baked more as well. it is a much better groveler. There was just something about that tail that didn't fit my style of surfing. It fought against me on generating speed and also on cutbacks.
Cheers. Trying to scope out a new board for my birthday. So many choices!
I have the "Meatfish" from Dan O'Hara before he moved to San Diego from Long Island, NY. It's lasted me 4 & 1/2 years and has plenty of life left. The board could be considered a pre run because it's from before he started Solid surfboards. It's a higher volume in the chest fish with a half moon tail. The board is 6' x 21 1/2" x 2 3/4" at 40.1 L and I'm 6' at 195 lbs. I use a set of FCS II power twins for it with no trailer fin. It's a super groveler for sure and it was my first shortboard. I really don't like longboards, so this is what I use for the ripples we get in south Florida.
that's is a funny name, meatfish. LOL i'll have to check that out, thanks for the comment. I wonder if there is a directory of surfboard names used so you don't end up suing someone else's model name.
It certainly brings the beef.
what fins are you running in the twice baked?
I use the stretch quads. They are wide and short.
hi, great surfing! I ride Stacey Bullfrog 5'4 at 33L in EPS. it is a great board but sadly it is discontinued. i used to ride chumlee 5'7 and baked potato 5'3 in LFT in the past. I am thinking TB 5'3 or Aloha surfboard Black Panda Timbertek 5'4 at 31L plus. do you have any thoughts or recommendation? black panda has weird channel and i wonder how it will go rail to rail in small waves.
I am not too familiar with the Black Panda by Aloha. but looking at the specs of that board, I would think it will perform better and not grovel as well. just comparing it on volume, the Firewire TB at 5'3 is 31L but 21.25" wide. The Aloha BP to have roughly the same volume is 1" longer but narrower. so, that extra length to the railine and slightly narrower board, will make it a better performer in my opinion. so depending on what you are looking for, either boards can be good. just looking at the Black Panda, it looks awesome and I don't think the channel bottom is a bad thing. the Twice Baked has a massive contoured bottom as well so it's sort of like having channel without the bite.
I would love to try the black panda if I ever came across it. Having said that, I will tell you why I chose the firewire:
1) durability (my thought is that this board will likely last me at least 10 years without any pressures, dings are under my control).
2) 31 Liters and wide. For days like what's in the video that the extra 1" width helps a lot.
3) resell value is really good if I decided to get rid of it.
4) I had prior experience with the baked potato so it made sense to shift to the twice baked
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you for taking time to respond which is very helpful. Now i am even more undecided which board to go!
Hey Thomye, how would the Seaside compare to the Twice Baked in this type of surf?
they are both grovelers so both would work but you just end up working a tad harder on the seaside. My thought lately is not to work as much and just get more waves if possible. With that said, me personally, if you told me to choose, I would much rather have the seaside even though the Twice baked works better in smaller waves. This is because, the Seaside would cover me for a broader range of waves. I can surf pretty small waves with some effort on the seaside and surf better waves too. Twice Baked, you are sort of locked into small waves. Once it gets bigger and better, the board will get tougher to control.
Vernon Mini Simmons
I think mini Simmons would be a good review to compare to the twice baked. they are both definitely super grovelers.
Hi Thomye,
I am surfing in Mediterranean Sea, about 30% of swells are similar to the waves in the TB video.
Can you recommend Uber groveller or Seaside & Beyond for such days?
Just trying to get some practise on those days and to compliment my Astro Pop.
Thanks in advance
Cheers,
Davyd
how big is your astro pop.
since we are talking small waves, I would say the Twice Baked Potato is a better option than the Seaside and Beyond. As an example, the 5'9 TB has 42L while the 6'8 S&B has 40L. I don't exactly know which volume range you are in but as you can see from this generic comparison that the 5'9 TB has 2 more liters but it will fit in a small wave much better. Without knowing much more, it is hard to say. I would need to know your Astro Pop size. that way you can get a board that doesn't overlap too much with that board, yet have one that is still nimble and fun. I would say get the TB. the seaside is much better on bigger waves. It can grovel but grovels in a much straighter line.
Hi Thomye,
Thanks for quick reply!
I overgrowth the Astro pop ( it was my 1st short board)
Astropop is significantly oversized... it is 35 ltrs and my weight is 68kg.
When the wave has a bit of push (let’s say 8sec +) there is no problem to grovel even provided that it is relatively small wave, when it is weaker /sloppier it is quite hard to takeoff & generate speed.
Thank you for your feedback
Rgds,
Davyd
@@davydtolyarenok3704 OK, so the 35L AP then is 6'0 tall. In all honesty, that is a groveler for sure. however, at the size, the height makes it harder to control. If you were to get a firewire twice baked, you could go with a 5'7 which would give you 3.6 more liters than the AP. it is also almost 2" wider which makes it a SUPER groveler vs a groveler. the width give you way more planing and the volume give you way more float. the shortness gives you way more control. It would be intended for those days that is just small, shin high.
Warming, the 22 1/8" width does make it a tad harder to paddle in terms of comfort. your arms are lateral so you get tired faster. but, you do move faster when paddling. if that makes sense. There are a few other super grovelers that people have mentioned but I have never surfed them so I can't really speak to them. The good thing about the Twice Baked in timbertech is that it is a board that "could" last a very long time. provided you don't ding it. it is harder to ding. plus it looks more like a wall hanger board which is also cool.
@@ThomyeSurfs Wow, thanks for the analysis, I do really appreciate the experience shared!
Honestly, I was thinking to actually drop the litres to 31ish to maintain capability to wiggle around (pump/hop etc) and to generate my own speed.
Another thought is to use the fomie like Pyzel Gremlin or Mick Fanning softboards.
Does any of options sound reasonable?
Thank you for your support
Cheers
Davyd
Has anyone mention the Roberts Floaty?
no. I don't think so. I'll look it up and take a look.
Don't know why you're using a leash in such small surf. So much more fun and glide without one.
I agree. I like surfing without a leash but Bolsa has so many stingrays that the thought of losing my board gives me nightmares.