There's a girl at my friends school who traced my friends work and put it in her PROFESSIONNAL PORTFOLIO. The school did not defend my friend. They said it was "taking inspiration from the universe they were working on", but said OC that was traced did NOT belong to the original comic they were working on and was entirely created by my friend. Awful behaviour. Don't trace.
There's a difference between tracing other existing art and using a model program meant for tracing. Or the old fashioned way of taking photos then tracing those. It's just a shortcut tool most industry professionals trace to save time on larger projects. But they don't steal art to trace. You can't get exactly what you want out of stolen art anyways. The poses will be slightly off and it will look out of place.
@@LongDeadArtist nope, even though my friend litteraly had a file from that person with her art on a hidden layer, right underneath what the other person had done. Plus this person was bullying her btw. School system
The fact they thought it was genAI because of how strange it was due to inconsistentcy when it turns out to be due to tracing parts 😂... but honestly, after the artist attitude, would not put past they traced genAI rather than used, as well
PS people defending her definitely did not read the first document past the self pity, favoritism after she blasted a small twitter user (who deleted after harassment) to her 200k* followers, and her shop still open selling the traced works after 3 days after admitting.
for me, it's the fact that she SOLD the traced pieces at art conventions. it's one thing to trace for practice or studies, it's another to publish it online (without credit) AND make prints for MONETARY GAIN. That's like, a whole new level.
@@xiayu6098 That doesn't matter, tracing and then profiting off of it is shameful. Posting traced art without credit is shameful. Tracing for comms and such is shameful and all of it, especially combined, is wholly dishonest.
@xiayu6098 tracing is a tool to learn NOT steal. Learn to draw not just trace its theft period. I don't care how many 'tweaks' are put on it that's not the person's own work the original work shpuld be noted and the person should not profit from such actions. Secondly tracing from AI is not how one learns proper anatomy much like you aren't supposed to learn anatomy from cartoons it's supposed to be from anatomically correct figures that you then learn how to exaggerate certain features yourself THATS how one properly learns otherwise it becomes inbred. People really need to stop trying to take from others it's gross behavior and yes anything generated by AI is STOLEN works!
I agree. Tracing is not inherently wrong, especially if you do art for the fun of it. I've done creative pieces using someone else's art as a base but it's not to sell, it's just for fun and I credit the original artist.
@@xiayu6098 honestly I have to agree with you. She traced the general shapes of faces and then changed literally every other detail. A foundation of a house is a foundation of a house and all she did was trace the foundation.
I trace when studying someone's art style, but you will never see me posting them because I'm not proud of them, plus **they are literally traced**. it is a learning process not my final abilities. I have been doing art for a long time now and even went to school for it, but I still don't feel satisfied with myself so I keep studiyng until I'm proud
good! don''t ever let anybody tell you it's not an AMAZING way to learn -- it's just unacceptable to post it or to lie and say you did it without assistance if asked. that's all people gotta do!
I had a bad experience with tracing. I'm the nerds in my junior high and spent my time drawing in class even tho it's break time.. so the whole school knew me as the misterious nerd who like to draw.. then there is this one boy trying to be friend me, he is good at first so we become close.. close enought to go to each other house.. then some day my drawing is gone.. I thought I forgot where I put them but then it become 2 and 3 drawings that are gone.. and one day people are crowding around his table and praised his drawing.. I was shocked when I saw it.. IT WAS MY DRAWING THAT HE DREW.. he traced my drawing.. I knew because it's my art style and not to mention his drawing skill is soooo low at that time he didn't even know what sketch is.. I was just keep silent because I don't want to make a false claim.. but then he came to me and gave back my drawing saying "thank you for lending your drawing" .. what???? I never lent them,... The heck?? Is he a clepto 🙄 and from then on I never talked to him again I was so fed up and traumatized.. because people who saw his drawing first thought I was copying his drawing after seeing the original drawing from mine.. I still have the grudge till this day 😢
I trace body parts because I suck at anatomy (eye shapes, elbow to hand sections, the connection part from stomach to hip) and how my drawing skill works is I memorize the way my hand motions and I can do the body parts. After all that I destroy any traced work forever and do the anatomy on my own. Fixes my drawings quite a bit. You’ll never get better unless you do it yourself as people have said. When learning new artstyles, now I just trace it in my mind and then just do it. I learned to adapt.
I love how the Boothill piece is literally just his official wish art LMAO i spotted that one almost instantly since 1) i have Boothill so I see it in battle 2) i am. Mildly obsessed with Boothill
@@Beeeeeewwwww yees, mildly (he is in my main team and when i have to make a different team comp for a specific battle he remains in the team no matter what)
Both are at the same point, they both suck and shouldn't even be making profit and I feel bad for the people who don't get refunds and the even worse part are the Vtubers who paid for a right and art an it's just a horrible AI Vtuber and they don't get their $500 - $1200 back and that's just sad
Well bases you usually cannot sell or make a profit off of it. Either from copyright from a company or from the artist that made the base. But like there's those anime reference dolls you could trace if you were to trace XD and any pose you want.
Isn't AI also supposed to be a free reference, like 3D? I honestly don't see the difference. If 3D models are acceptable, tracing AI is also acceptable by my book. I'm not sure whether the artisanship should be more valued or the customer satisfaction. Customer-wise, 3D, Ai are doing fine work. Skiiled artists can not compete with artists who make good use of 3D tools, photoshop tools(they now also have Ai tools in PS). I am confused!
@@drawingpatterns9929well AI uses other artists' styles, that's why it sucks. tracing over AI art is not the same as tracing over 3D model because when you trace over AI you literally copy someone's work (cuz AI usually trains on others artists' works) and you'll never know from who you traced. when using 3D model, they are usually free + have credits, so if you want to leave a credit you can do it without any problems.
Bc they obviously aren't thinking abt what resources are available, their intention is to create the most visually-appealing images they can to generate likes/views/profit. Bases and 3D models aren't usually visually-appealing, you gotta put the legwork in yourself. Whereas they can simply find "pretty artwork" and trace that instead bc it's already visually appealing.
Here’s my POV when it comes to tracing 3d model Unlike tracing ai images or other people’s art, 3d model gives you extra flexibility to draw in your style because of how it serves as a blank canvas; no face, basic structure. Tho you can also make/use own custom made 3d model that’s complete with anatomy and alter it to your style (like one of the raum artists bm_tol) and use that to speed up the process and focus on your lighting The thing is, you still need to have some skill to cook the piece, which is why sometimes art made with tracing 3d models can look weird and off So basically Tracing other people’s art- con: you have no control/flexibility if you’re tracing the full piece properly: it’s easy Tracing 3d model: con: it’s not as easy pro: you have more control/flexibility Now all that being said I’d still recommend using 3d model as REFERENCE, not tracing, for the most amount of flexibility. But that means you have to actually be somewhat competent
Omg. In my art group, we just outed a tracer. Everyone thought she was selling ai, but she was tracing it instead. It's a shame. She was talented but super rude and wasn't getting why tracing and selling it was wrong or even included it in their portfolio.
She disagreed that tracing is "wrong" and you have no leg stand on by just calling it "wrong". Don't expect someone being bothered on twitter to take it kindly.
@worldhello1234 I defended her at first until the evidence came out. She had 3 people calling her all types of stuff. But when I acknowledged the facts, she tried to convince me, and when I disagreed and told her my opinion civilly, she blew up on me. Telling me not to defend those "assholes."
Honestly if I showed up early to a convention and got sold obviously inauthentic art I'd be pretty pissed, especially if I was a fan of the artist. Putting this person on blast for being angry & requesting a refund AND THEN HAVING THE AUDACITY TO OFFER REFUNDS WHEN PEOPLE FOUND OUT SHE TRACED is wild 💀💀💀
I don't get the "audacity" part. That's what they're supposed to do no? Offer refunds? I mean... do people expect Yeurei to NOT refund? But everything else, I agree.
@@transjeffdrI genuinely don’t understand this part, so what if the person changes for the better???? 😭 people change everyday every second every minute and every hour, so why does it suddenly matter now when a person you don’t even know change sbbsbsvsvb people get angry over everything smh
This is how I understand it: the person who accused the artist for using ai and requesting a refund because of this was posted on the artist’s account with 200k followers with the intent to shame them and for their followers to flame them to the point of deleting their account, but then not even a week later when it was revealed that the artist was tracing did the artist do a complete 180 from their previous behavior of humiliating the accuser. To compare this with a with a similar situation, it’s like refusing to refund and publicly humiliating the person who bought your book because they believed it was written by ai, but later offering refunds just because the public found out you plagiarized. The artist didn’t change for the better, they changed only (huuuge emphasis on only) because they were caught
The worst thing about this was that she was going to go to Smash Con, Sydney, and I was legit going to BREAK BANK at her shop because her art was so pretty to look at - and then this WHOLE THING happened 😅
@@winne208honestly? I would still get it lmao, i myself am an artist, drawing traditional art from 16 years now, and i still like the drawing enough to get it even if it's traced. I mean, only the pose is traced, not the whole thing right? That's what I got from looking at her Twitter. I myself used to trace when drawing poses until i became good enough to draw without needing any references. There is just so much extra details added to the traced art, that for me it's justified to buy it as a separate item, although getting permission from the original artist would have been better as the question of ethics comes if you take it without permission.
@@Mayank_MJ If you are okay with it isn't it fine to support her? It's really up to each individual. Some people don't agree with what she did to the customer and how she handled the situation. Tracing is still tracing no matter how much you try to justify it. She didn't just trace the pose, she traced and copied the artist's compositions. This artist don't speak her language and price way lesser than her. Tracing is fine for studying but copying and profitting so much off another artist is just shady to me. Like what you say, it's up to how much you can justify her work ethics. I think she's a very talented artist, but for these specific works she copied from, I would rather support the original artist than her.
@@winne208 oh i support the original artist too, every single art shown in the video or every single art she ever referenced is drawn by an artist i follow. I follow most of the anime artists on the internet lol. And i don't know about anything that happened with the fans and about the purchases. I didn't watch the whole video, just the tracing portions, so I'm only talking about the tracing parts and nothing about the refunds. Tracing is ok with me if you take permission or actually put a lot of effort in the art and actually make it look different enough. Her art is kinda in the middle as it looks different enough and has a lot of effort put in but she didn't get permission to use the pose. I used to trace 6-7 years back when I was still learning art, but whenever I traced I used to change the composition so that it didn't feel like tracing that much. Although now I'm skilled enough to draw without any references, ofc I'm talking about drawing on paper as that's what I'm good at, my speciality is shading and water colours, but I can also do oil painting, acrylics and pencil colours. So my skill set is fundamentally different from that of a digital artist, so how easy it is to trace digital art isn't that apparent to me even though I've tried digital art before
@@Mayank_MJ Yups I get your point, as long as the original artists she traced/copied from gives her the permission, it's something everyone can move on with. Her case just blew up because of how she escalated the situation. You might want to watch the whole video since people are mad less about the tracing but more about her actions. Even till now while she said she's taking a break, she's still sending mails, havn't refunded some people nor address it in her other social media, so many are upset about that.
The whole depression route is quite the sight. Went on a whole ramble about how depressed they were they were caught. "I don't know how to tell my two dogs, who would always be so excited" This person acts like they can NEVER do art. As if its TRACE/AI or nothing at all. She had such a bad behaviour towards the person calling her out, thinking she was in the right. That is some major ego.🤨🤨🤨🤨
Yeah nah. When people get outed for something they did then start acting all sad idc it's not purpusful pitty baiting, i find it pathetic. Because they either tought they would aways get away with it, or they genuenly believe they're the victim for getting outed. If you cant deal with the concequenses of something don't do it. Pathetic.
Btw, the Furina and arlecchino pieces were sold as acrylic block in Dokomi at least, 40 euros each, traced pieces, not just the pgotocards :(. The prints weren't cheap either, she has profitted a lot of money with those traced artworks
at this point, there could also be a possibility of both tracing and using AI. she can always trace and feed it to AI and ask AI to change or add certain bits to the drawing
Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of artists use AI art as a “reference” to make physical paintings on canvas, but they just paint in all the flaws and mistakes that the AI generator pushed out. It’s wild to see them get so offended and use “it can’t be AI, it’s on a physical canvas” as an excuse..
Fr, I see it all the time on Instagram, but it honestly looks like they just took the AI image and photoshopped it over a picture of a canvas or paper and art supplies
@@dracolegend7739 I've found weirder situations where people go out of their way to use a projector to trace it on to canvas and then they don't bother making any changes to make it look realistic, they just paint all the illogical mistakes and AI hallucinations as they see it. and that's their way of trying to say it's real, because they physically painted it... some of them are REALLY good at copying art and it's blowing my mind that they're either not noticing or not caring about the mistakes they're copying.
I get using AI images for some reference if you can not find a reference for what you're going for ANYWHERE but I still think of it as a last resort or needing several non AI references for additional input
@@dracolegend7739 I use it for that too. Like when I designing a character and choose the colors but I can't visualize if will look good, I write a basic description of the character with the dolors for the AI to see if they fit together instead of trying on the paper and having to throw away the drawing because I don't like it (I do mostly traditional art)
Agree totally. My daughter is an aspiring artist who used to look up to Yeurei’s art. She was so inspired by her and often wished her own art is even 10 percent of Yeurei’s. At least I can proudly said my daughter didn’t trace anyone’s art and still manage to sell decent quantity despite having only 200 followers. 😅
just found this video and was hoping it wasnt the same person who made the art on two pins I bought and really liked last year but when she showed the blade drawing I felt so betrayed 💀 might toss them
i work so freaking hard to make animations and art, ive been on the grind for 4 years and have barely any traction, meanwhile tracers and people who use ai get so popular and its really demotivating 😣
Ok, so this might be a hot take, but I dont think that if you trace something as a study it has to be kept completely private. Especially as a beginner artist you can share it, you just have to credit the original artist and you can't monetize it in any way.
@@xxcardi-of7lm ye I'm not defending the person the video is about, but Kat was also saying that if you trace to study no one should *ever* see it, it has to be completely private. That's what I was disagreeing with.
To be honest I don't really get why she'd trace/use ai. She definitely does trace, but at the same time she could be using ai because like no matter what art style you use, or like how you render, there are many inconsistencies in her artwork, and they are all quite obvious. She has so much potential. Her way of drawing line art, and rendering is sharp yet beautiful. If she isn't good at anatomy, she should practice first! Anatomy is hard, perspective is hard, drawing side faces is hard, but it's not like it's impossible. And with her experience, I'm sure she could learn it all in a very short time. Hopefully she genuinely does change and instead of taking the easy route to things, she'll be able to learn and understand the actual feeling of drawing everything out of scratch instead of tracing.
"there are many inconsistencies in her artwork" but at the same time all her artwork was purchased in 10 minutes, and all people wanted to purchase her artwork. i see more decadence on the people that purchase full blind, not even knowing the artist, not knowing anything about the art they are purchasing. then harassing the artist for something, AI, that is not true.
I've had to review a lot of portfolios recently, many of which were plagued with AI. I would say with utmost confidence that the artist here traced some key components, and *then* ran that through AI. The lack of logical continuity, the lost edges, and nonsensical details are dead giveaways. Double whammy!
Honestly not defending the artist but you just cannot be acting like an art expert, YOU are not qualified to nitpick art when you do not understand it, and you're making younger artists feel nervous about the fact that 'apparently they can't ever ever ever get anatomy even slightly wrong or they'll be condemned of AI' Also this comment section is so hateful like holy hell you all really just gathered up to see someone better than y'all burning
AI art is getting worse that's why I'm glad my art sucks that no one would ever copy it but what's worse is that real artist are getting balmed for being AI especially the Anime style, Jelly style, and Realistic style, Traditional art isn't safe either which makes it worse
IIRC Glaze and Nightshade still work. the individual noise filters people tried to use to substitute glaze and nightshade were likely never as effective.
@@Scarlavein Actually they don't, Stanford used simple forensics and were able to undo Nightshade affected images. My advice is talk with the source, the programmers of these generative programs, if I can get in DMs with Wombo, I'm sure you can find a way to get into contact with a programmer yourself, they're the ones that actually know what it takes to break a generator it's not something like Nightshade by a long shot.
This makes me slightly uncomfortable as an artist. There is a good chance that it IS heavily referenced, there is a good chance that it’s traced. They should show their entire process, most definitely but I feel uncomfortable that everyone is just immediately jumping to the same conclusion… I use a lot of references, and it makes me uncomfortable someone might say I’m tracing if I use the same pose or head angle because I find a reference with angles I really like….
the thing with yeurei is that it exactly lines up with the traced image line for line, even if you heavenly reference something it wouldnt count as traced because the chances of replicating that exact accuacy through referencing is pretty low
It looks heavily referenced to me rather than traced.. there are people who can mimic references very well without tracing and this seemed like case to me. While the angle and overall proportion is the same it doesnt look 1:1 in more than one area if you pause the video. This doesn't look like tracing to me. It's stressful to be an artist these days. Draw well = get accused of AI. Draw not so well (good in rendering and bad in anatomy as in this case) = accused of AI. AI has done more than stealing jobs, its also turning artists against each other.
The point i dont like is that all those tracing debates are always about anime art because it's simplified to the point that everything can be exactly the same, and it's not traced or even looked
This is how I feel as an artist too, this whole situation makes me feel so umcomfortable. Especially since yeurei’s art is basically the most basic anime girl prototypical face and same with ask, there’s pretty much never going to be much of an anatomical differences amongst people who draw the typical anime face.
I once drew something on my iPad using a reference, I did not trace, but when I lined the reference up to my drawing it lined up 1 to 1. It can happen. It was just a drawing for me, I didn’t sell it or anything, I’m not an artists.
It’s easier than actually learning anatomy and studying for hours. Tracers and ai users are lazy and looking for unethical ways to cut corners. It makes me very sad.
@@crownedoll i mean what do you expect its so hard for artist to make money. An drawn art piece takes 20 hrs while AI render takes 1 min, I have seen many many AI art pieces with millions of views on twitter. It's only a matter of time when AI takes over.
@@crownedollhonestly, I kinda get them. I don't use AI or do any form of drawing, but if I wanted to do so, I would probably be the same as them.What's the point of trying to do it properly when I'm going to end up mediocre and possibly even quit half way, anyways?
there are options on some AI generators where you can upload a reference image then change it with AI prompts. this is why it looks traced AND ai work. because it could be both traced and generated by ai
Just wondering, have these AI witchhunts gotten to the point that people have swung back to the "if you're not making stuff out of thin air, it's fake art!" mindset? I use 3D models for posing/proportions and stuff, so it feels like they'll start coming after me sooner or later.
Nah- There's people out there who still disagree with that, but they're the same kind of people who believe looking at references at all is a sin (sorry i cant shit out a perfect giraffe first try). Most people understand that the hate towards AI and tracing stems from someone not getting consent, claiming as their own and/or making profit off of another's artist hard work. 3D dolls are super cool tools but not shortcuts towards easy profit. Plus, the people behind the doll's modelling and program literally made it so we use em. That's consent right there! But people can get mad at anything. Facts are, though, that using a 3D puppet is not ripping anyone off. Hating it doesn't hold logically or morally, it's purely opinion at this point- and who gives a fuck about strangers opinion on the internet??? Personally, I will never feel bad for using Design Doll so I know how ass would look like from every angle
As an artist, I actually don't think the overlay part with makima and other one is 1:1 traced. I actually think it was referenced, but it's still VERY similar and she dhoulsve have credited the artist for the ref.
7:14 the ear is also weird as hell. In such angle, it should be drawn slightly otherwise?? Its strange to see such small, but silly mistake compared to the rest of art
@@che7941 a scam is defined as a "fraudulent or deceptive operation". In this case, it is 100 percent a scam. The artist was a fraud who tried to pass off traced artwork (sorry "heavily referenced) to their fans for a profit. The fans are buying the merch, with a certain level of expectation that it is all original art. Not to mention even after the public statement, all these artworks are still very much up for purchase. The website also does not say anything about tracing or the incident or any mention of refunds.
5:28 tbh I make the same mistake in the anatomy. It’s a pretty careless observation in my opinion. Just listening to all of the observations is kind of.. off putting (?) to me? But that’s just me ig..
This is a very weird version of the Streisand effect, where instead of trying to hide the alligations she herself made the email public (posted it onto her account), which then spiraled into her being exposed because of her posting about it and bringing attention to it in the first place, lmao
it is refreshing to see how yuerei is taking all the right steps in responsibility and accountability which may be the bare minimum but we dont see it often especially on such a large scale of refunds. i hope she grows from this.
I just deleted all their works from my discord and blocked them on Twitter, shame I liked their work but I'm not about to support someone who uses AI AND traces ppl artwork. It's an insult to all artists including myself.
And that’s why kids, learn your fundamentals before getting into the business side of things. You won’t be artistically stable enough to keep up with people and the algo if you try to do both with shaky skills
At what point is something not actually traced? There are thousands upon thousand of pieces uploaded daily, in a few days you could 100% fill almost every angle and every pose at every depth and every perspective. Like when you trace at 15:10, if you could actually run an AI search prompt on all image forums you would find that the original is 'traced' too. Even worse when everyone's drawings are so generic you could find the same pose thousands of times in a single second.
wait this is so shocking ive been following them on instagram since 2021, i wasn't very active interacting with their page cuz instagram doesn't show me posts of who im following a lot (unfortunately) but i also loved ask's art for years as well so this is quite disappointing to hear about. plus, the thing is, even if it wasn't traced and just heavily referenced, making profit off the heavily referenced art is really wrong. I remember yeu used to sell acrylic blocks which are quite expensive too.. im glad they ended up apologizing but ye i hope they come back a better person
It's not wrong. Every artist since the dawn of time has done art from reference. The big difference between this artist and other artists you like is that this one is being bullied and accused of doing what everyone else does, making it seems like some big horrible thing. While really, it's normal, even good for making really nice looking art.
@@Utrilusare you deaf or did you not watch the video?? references are fine but tracing drawings and passing them off as your own is a shitty thing to do, not to mention that they were SELLING MERCH off of art that THEY TRACED AND PASSED OFF AS THEIR OWN
@@TH3CL0WNK1NG But do you have eyes, did you notice that the only things in common were the face shape and pose, meaning none of it was traced, just very referenced well. It's not stealing someone else's art and reselling it.
@@Utrilus “none of it was traced just referenced very well” yeah keep being in denial you could be the best artist in the world and reference a pose, and it still wouldn’t line 1-1 the way that the traced art did
I'm listening in 14 minutes, and already I disagree with about 80% of the critiques and analysis. Everyone suddenly became an expert because Ai exists... If everyone spent more time practicing instead of accusing artist of Ai or Tracing, maybe their art will be better. There is a lot to unpack. But I just gotta say, it definitely was referenced and not a direct tracing. Stop with the pitchforks. when I saw the overlays. It's not traced. I respect her craft, and would encourage anyone to do the same. Even famous manga artist will use classic paintings for reference and inspiration. As long as it's transformative and altered enough, I feel it's fine. It's not line for line. It can appear to line up, but unless it's 99% it's not traced. Look again. The complex details that have been added is more than enough to warrant being called an original, that had inspiration. It's not at all required to credit or detail all of your references used. The line that extends beyond the collar bone?? Really? The hand? The lack of anatomy? This may be a result of random design, or Ai, but it's not definitive. Going down this route and we can all witch hunt everyone for using AI. People look at my stuff from 8 years ago and acuse me of AI, it's flattering, but more over, it's boring. I hate watching the mob crowd around to see the bonfire they created. There are some valid points, and there are some people who definitely need to be called out, but in this case, It's not. She referenced the angle and pose, but this compromise of only 2% of the final product. This one act overshadowed all the hard work she put into her art and craft. Do you really think a tracer can pull off this finish?
13:21 ... im sorry.. that is not 1:1 ... i dont know both artists and its the first video i see of u today. For me this seems like someone trying to push drama for their own benefit.. i do have experience drawing and this is... not called a 1:1 .. a 1:1 copy looks different
The mouth, nose and shoulders don’t even come out the same. Whilst I think the artist has definitely over referenced it’s not 1:1, definitely being amped up for drama.
The way the original tweet got 29 views and no one would’ve seen the email pointing out the tracing/possible AI use if yuerei never posted them to X to try to defend herself 💀 liars always out themselves in the end because they’re so paranoid of getting caught.
Its not one to one. The nose, mouth, ears, eyes are different. Basically it looks like the artist used the art for the jaw, hair and general head size. It's still tracing but its not a one to one trace.
@@baiwuli6781lol what?? People like them for their work and the skill that people THOUGHT she HAD. She’s also SELLING the work, we will absolutely be no longer supporting her.
@@baiwuli6781 For your comment I can believe that you are not an artist. She is scamming people left and right lmao. Tracing is wrong, using AI is super wrong; both are ways to steal. She clearly has talent, if only she used her time to actually practice instead of stealing then it would be another thing.
I used to FOLLOW THEM omg they were such a big inspiration for drawing modern outfits for genshin characters also follow ASK I love making art studies of her art style
Lol, so you're tracing the tracers work. > sarcasm. You should know how much easier using reference making making good looking art. And that it's common to the point of most artists doing it.
@@Utrilus I don’t trace art I just like how they used to make modern outfits for genshin characters also making art studies doesn’t require tracing the artist’s work it requires lots of practice and understanding the artist’s reasoning for exaggerating certain features plus I didn’t know they traced art to begin with since I saw them before following ASK ( note: you can trace other’s art but don’t post it claiming it as your own and make sure to credit the artist if you do post it online and it’s good to draw something from scratch without the help of tracing)
@@leyyaballim1458 If watching pewdiepie learn taught me anything it takes copying good artist's work to get good at drawing yourself. And well, making really nice things. When he drew without reference they looked markably worse, but still better than before he started. Like copying is super important for art. Seeing videos like this just pisses me off. Like tearing down artists cause they copy, when like that's how artists get the best results and make the best art, reference. The summary of this video pretty much is if you refrence never post stuff online. 💀 Lest you get one angry customer who is gonna do everything to tear your career down. Sorry for venting.
@@Utrilus it’s fine! It’s good you’re learning about plagiarism since many new artist and even professional artists doesn’t understand what classifies as plagiarism and copyright
@@Utrilus also I don’t like people who steal artwork and claim it as their own (also profiting off it by selling merchandise and offering commissions) it’s horrible that this happens so often to artists
I think we've already passed the point where it's faster to just train to be an actual artist than to learn how to disguise, that you're not an AI artist.
In the past, I’ve never followed anyone who got into dramas like these, so it’s a shame to think that someone I’ve followed for a while is guilty of this..
If you're referancing a pose, how many variations to the og work can you possibly have? Especially in anime where everyone suffers from same face syndrome. Not defending her but curious
I wouldn't care about referencing her sources if she was just uploading her art, but since she's making money off of the art, she's not only stealing from other artists, but lying about her skills to her customers.
I dont know of her but she clearly has potential and I hope that she is able to learn and reflect from this. I took art in college and I was amazed at how much my classmates improved their drawing skills in 2 years (we compared what we drew at the beginning to the end). We actually drew live models and it really helped with understanding anatomy
another google docs statement I've been studying other masters works and have been tracing and redrawing the poses of the artworks and it feels so wrong, I know it's hard to come up with poses and composition that is why I usually look for inspiration and redrawing the pose on my own and heavily avoiding tracing as what I have done in the beginning
As a non-artist who has used Midjourney to generate art of characters (overwatch, genshin) the first 5/6 examples are 100% AI generated. I would even go on to say they are AI generated and then she traces the parts (hands, faces, some clothes) where it gets "muddy" and confusing before beginning her timelapse.
Honestly, people would definitely also accuse me of tracing AI (it did happen) but that's because I never learned how to correctly draw anatomy (too lazy to learn) so my pieces all look a little weird if u look very closely. I'm putting way too much detail in one part of the drawing and another part looks like dogwater😭
Bro, that's straight up AI AI tends to add muddy illogical ornaments and detailing, and its CRAZY is clear on all of the pieces the customer got It's not even allegations. No human merges necklaces with skin wtf
Seems like they may have used an AI to "complete" some images (extend beyond the edge of the illustration) among other things. Thats so disappointing. :[ Honestly, when people go to cons, make an effort to support traditional hand drawn art as a commission. Its soooo cool to have a piece of physical art and you have a very low chance of getting scammed with a physical piece of art!
While tracing is a common and widely used artistic technique, when you are going to profit from it (whether monetarily or even socially) it should only be used with copyright free images, images you have bought the copyrights to, or ones you’ve been given explicit, written permission to use in this fashion.
It’s crazy how much being able to render well can cover up lack of skill. All the art looks good on first glance, but that’s the issue. Anyone who’s looking to buy a cool print at a con is likely only going to look for a little bit. It’s only after they get home and have more time to look that they might notice. Really sucks this has been happening so often.
oh man, something i noticed is that it's interesting how you can be accused of using AI for having really good art, but then also the flipside, with having... confusing art?
its easy to copy stuff so much that they align 1:1 I am no way even remotely as good as them, but sometimes when I get lucky, face features literally overlaying 1:1 with a photo I am copying. Without grid obv Lmao at 23 min that is the best giveaway though, KEKW
13:32 I don't think this was traced though? the lines don't perfectly match at all, it normally does with traced work. It is actually possible to overly reference things, I've done it before when I wanted something to be just right. Sometimes your artist eye back fires on you and referencing can turn into copying lol. It's the same as a artistic forgery, they don't trace paintings man but they can get super close with their own ability to the original. Am I saying it's right? dependable on the situation, but please don't say this is tracing if not 100% confirmed. 14:22 Forgery, not tracing. Though not a complete Forgery since they made the art their own. Glad they know now, not to reference just one artist though if they are struggling with a pose lol. 15:31 yeah and we don't know if they drew directly over it. I do however feel like some of the works they did was too close to AI, but yee. 15:55 Fully agree, if you do post it for whatever reason, maybe to show your progress from tracing to doing pieces completely yourself. Put in big bold letters over the traced work that it's traced work next to work you've finally done on your own. The down side of this though, people might question your none traced art then, because that's the internet. But I like showing growth, so idk. Post at your own risk even when being flat out honest. 17:44 I still don't think it's traced, but now I'm heavy leaning on it being AI, I haven't tested this to confirm my sus, but in Krita there is a way to AI art, and use poses as 'references' normally it's some stick figure software though that I've seen. I wonder if you can take a drawing though (or photo) and make that as the pose reference, and make a completely new render of whatever you want using that pose. Because since some elements feel like AI in the art, it would then make sense why the lines don't completely line up like with tracing. I hope I'm explaining this right. I wish they'd show a WIP video, because that's the best way to clear their name lol. Otherwise they are so fake. With the AI software, it's SUPER easy to change parts of a pose "flawlessly" but you can still miss the errors if you don't have the eye to notice them. 27:50 Least they are owning their mistakes, whatever those mistakes really were be it AI, tracing, Forgery, doesn't matter they still did a wrong, so I'm glad they are offering to refund those that were wronged. Now I hope this isn't all fluff and they REALLY are refunding people. Edit: saw some typos so tried to fix them, if still errors welp XD
Yeah with such cases of accusations once a few works are confirmed to be traced a lot of the artist's credibility goes out the window and distrust manifests into their other works which I understand why but it is still unfortunate to see people generalize and hop on to conclusions so fast. In many of these cases there is often too much to comment about in long videos like these so I appreciate that there is someone like you marking down some of these points and starting a discussion about what may actually be traced or otherwise.
@@k31un Agree, even if they try to change for the better, it's already too late. They'll most likely be forced to change their style, their name, etc and start over at this point if they still want to continue the path of being a artist. Which is disheartening to lose a chance for growth. I worry for the day when using 3D models, tracing over them, is seen in a negative light. So many professionals do this, it's a time saver when with time crunches/deadline/ more then one client,ect. If using a tool is written off as being lazy that's going to be so discouraging. Even in animations like anime, they cut corners to make deadlines. Time is money, can't always afford to spend hours on a piece. But in time this might happen, because lumping everything together under one term. Part of my wordiness is due to my mental state sometimes haha, but I'm glad I came off clear, normally my long comments are frowned upon when noticed. Even if in the end, if my points are proven wrong, happy to shine light on other possibilities of what we're seeing.
As someone who spent a few years solely calling out tracers, that first one definitely looks traced. There's a very minor trick tracers will do in hopes of putting people off. They'll slightly skew the image before tracing it. I'm sure it can be perfectly aligned.
@@The_Summoning oh wow, I didn't think of that, that is another possibility. ugh, why can't people just put in the time to learn to do art and use tools correctly =table flip= then questioning if a person is fake or not wouldn't have to be a thing. lol.
I don't think it's traced, not intentionally, at least (for the purple-haired girl one). It could be she thought her own placement of certain elements looked strange, so she underlayed it with the artwork to get a better sense of how to correct it. There's only so many ways to make that pose look correct anatomically, so limiting adjustments seems understandable. It's clear she still took liberties with the additional elements, changed composition, color palettes, style, rendering, line width, and entirely redid the hair, outfit, and environment. I think people should still be allowed to post these. Good artists are always learning, always having challenges despite being so talented, to where it feels like you're cornered into making perfect. So I have some empathy for that artist. (I've only seen the first 14 mins btw)
Tbh I find the Ai-witchhunt getting kinda extreme. Its like artists are not allowed to make mistakes anymore and everyone needs to make everything 100% correct. So many artists just draw for fun and dont care if things are not 100% correct or illogical.
@@headfunk5646 It is not even confirmed that she used AI. My point is that other artists start to pick apart other artists work because of some incorrect elements and accuse them of using ai. Ive seen so many artists get accused for using AI for making simple mistakes.
I personally have made the glasses mistake myself. It was simply drawing glasses on separate layer, then forgetting to erase the parts that were supposed to be at the back. And my anatomy knowledge sucks too so i guess i am ai? 😂😂😂
This is an awful statement. Basically saying "Oh scammers getting outed is kind of extreme" Literally where? People use AI that had stollen tons of data, tons of people's artwork and you say it's a "mistake"? It's not. Do they say it's AI? Mostly no and THAT'S why they are getting outed for being scammers.
@@rinar3562 right because everyone is scamming? Tf 💀 I am talking about artists overanalizing other artists and picking their art apart. And then potentially falsely accusing them of using AI, simply because things are not logical, there are some mistakes or sometimes we are just lazy. SURE you can prove that you dont use ai. But i sucks when you suddenly have a mob of people framing you as a scammer because of some dramachannel or because other artists start picking your stuff apart. And before you say "this does not happen". It literally does A LOT since I know a couple of hardworking artists that were a victim of being falsely accused as a scammer as well.
It’s really unfortunate. i waited in line for 20-30 minutes to pick up one of her Dan Heng acrylic stand blocks for a friend who was stuck in Exhibit Hall and she seemed really sweet and genuine so i followed her page shortly after the purchase😪 The girl has talent, i just wish she hadn’t turned to tracing. She was one of the few artists who had a line to her table every single day at all hours of the con.
@@flopcartman The only similarities are in the pose and face shape. And even then they are not perfectly 1 to 1. Just impressively close. Eyes are different, characters are different, hair are different, colors are different, details are different. Most things are different. I wouldn't call this plagiarism, it's just referencing a pose and face shape and then drawing a new character in it. Most artists do this.
It is tracing. Stealing from other artists to make quick bucks from one of the most profitable franchises. (I’m familiar with con artists and some will deliberately follow these franchises cause’s it’s a real bussiness tactic. Not saying doing this is wrong.) It is all about money making. Being an artist and knowing how artists are constantly getting robbed and pushed around by the algorithm, the AI bros and getting their art stolen to make profit while they themselves makes little to no money, is not something a respectable artist would do. She could have traced their work to learn to draw better. No one would have said a thing. She could have traced their works to gain popularity on socmed so she can sell her own art/ make commission. It is still not good at all but it’s better than stealing from an artist to make half-assed arts (all those weird details and blatant anatomy fails, as an artist, no one who can draw at that level would let their arts look like a disgrace like that), of the most easily profitable franchises right now, have the audacity to call out and expect their fans to slander a customer that supported her and now demand refunds of the low quality works (mind you, weird artifacts and anatomy as I stated). Why are you still defend such a person? Have you never seen artists that so insecure about their works despite how good they’re just because it is not popular because it’s original work not fanart? Have you seen these people have been blatantly stolen by some “popular fandom” fanartists? Where is the justice in that that you just can steal from the better but less popular people - that just because they didn’t want to sell their soul to the money - and make tens of thousands dollars while the hardworking original artists struggle to put themselves out there? Next time you defend a person like this, ask yourself do they actually worth it, even more so than the ones they harmed by stealing from them? Does supporting the stealers make you happy morally?
Considering my art honors teacher in high school had almost everyone trace body structures instead of doing them from scratch I feel a little weird that people are mad about tracing. There’s only so many ways and set a body artwork.
This one caught me off guard cause they’re so good and clearly knows how to draw good anatomy but just… chose to trace. They also seem to only trace the face angles mostly, and they totally could’ve just used 3d models, it’s so baffling. I really really like their art too, it’s a shame
Tracing over a generic pose? Are you kidding me? What if she had used a 3d model from a software instead and tracing that to get the pose? I mean get serious people, the accusations are laughable 🤣🤣🤣. Artists use references all the time.
As an artist myself, tracing a generic pose is not the problem. Tracing 3d models is not a problem either. Some Industry artist will even encourage it as it helps save time. Example being the mangaka, Inio Asano. Who uses 3d models for the environments in his mangas. Overly referencing to the point it's similar IS. And don't hit me with the whole 'anime is the same style' shtick. I've seen countless of anime art from different artist to the point you can actually determine which art is which from different artists. Yeejchan Minjye Yoneyama Mai Ask Mika Pikazo Qtonagi LAM Rella Kinoko Croquette Jia And so many more. All draw anime but if you've studied their art for a long time. You get to see the differences in their anatomy and what they focus on their art. Such as composition, coloring, rendering, lighting etc. I don't think Yuerei used AI, it looks like it but until there's definitive proof, it's all hearsay. But I do believe that they heavily referenced and even heavily traced. And I've been in the community long enough to know that if you DID do that, then you have an obligation to share your heavy reference. Also, I find it odd you'd mention the whole tracing for your own art but not mention the fact that Yuerei MONETIZED these works. That's what people had a problem with.
I know that the artist admitted to tracing, that being said I don't think this is enough to say if someone is tracing. And yes, I do draw. Most of the evidence for the tracing is that the face lineart is similar to another artist, seems mostly a specific one in this case. It is possible for someone to create similar line placement, even by pure accident, by following the rules of anatomy. If two people have overlapping drawings to an extent it does not automatically equal tracing. There is plenty of random drawings you can put together and they will overlap. Just google any anime + pose idea and there will be many results that come across as really similar, even more than what this artist did. Honestly accusation nowadays are going into two buckets: good anatomy but weird details = must have used AI, worse anatomy but details are consistent = tracing. The only thing I know for sure that this artist is guilty of is that they are bad at anatomy and they should go back to the drawing board.
A couple things I'll disagree with. "Artists are lazy" in reference to adding more detail than needed... nah. Also it's 100% possible to get a 1 to 1 of something just by referencing it, the whole upside down picasso thing as a precursor to other practices to help with that. That being said this artist absolutely engaging in unsavory activities.
fun fact, if you look correctly @ specifically 6:36 , she's not just holding the frame, but got a finger through the lens as well when lifting them, maybe that was the intended pose even if the tracing part can't rlly be defended and if anything, probably A.I. too lot of clashing details not making sense here
Wild, when you think you're just ranting about a Karen customer and you lose your career, rip. Walked past there booth a few times at AX but couldn't get close enough to notice the questable things, they defentinly had a lot of customers.
As an artist who has to, “work through the ugly sketches” watching people trace really grosses me out. Makes me think twice about following a page before I can really be forsure their art is of their own thoughts. I see one on UA-cam who particularly gets under my skin because she uploads premade assets, like jewels. masks them to fit an eye shape ,and change the hue with some highlights and calls it rendering. So it’s not just outlines anymore. People are faking to be good at rendering, when really what they are doing is more like graphic design. Taking premade assets to make a new image
duuuude, I understand all the frustration and resentment of mentioned artist, but......... is this really so, if you copy the pose and composition or pallet, then the rest of the work you did on YOUR piece with YOUR hands doesn't belong to you?! like. you did zero work??? you didn't render it? you didn't shade it???? THE FUCK D:< sketching and composing takes a lot of work (for me probably 20-30% of all work done), but complete originality is only the matter when it's work for sale or commission. anything you do for yourself and your enjoyment doesn't have to be 100% original and frankly speaking IT'S FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE. not mentioning the fact that referenced works simply looks better because you avoided mistakes and "looked up for the right answer". as a professional artist I highly despise all those talks about legit art and how you shouldn't take shortcuts in your process otherwise you "steal others efforts". it might be frustrating, but referencing will always be there in art community. you can't assign to yourself that 100% unique pose you just drawn or composition because there 100% same pose/composition somewhere on the internet and you've just reinvented the wheel. congratulations. again, not undermining the accusations from the video. just voicing my thoughts on "you can reference but you can't post it and actually you stole all the effort". also have a lot to say about tracing and what is not tracing but everyone decides for themselves here.
Tragic really. She has so much potential and talent and she chooses to stifle it by tracing her art and selling it. I saw her booth at AX and almost bought her Nilou print. Her stuff really is pretty in person. But knowing what I know now, I'm glad I didn't buy anything. I only hope she's able to reflect and grow on this as an artist and person. She has to build her rep back up again and it really isn't going to be easy after something like this.
The arm behind the back looks to me like good anatomy. Whoever drew those green straight lines where the anatomy should be is either being intentionally obtuse or just plain ignorant.
I really appreciate that you covered this so thoroughly and shared/archived what happened, Katliente. Apologies for the long comment. I fear with how Yeurei has not YET (at the time of this comment) said anything about refunds and her tracing on Instagram/her store website and other social media, she might be trying to isolate the incident to her Twitter/X audience. This, along with the fact that she deleted another major tweet (a tweet first discussing this situation, which had more overlay evidence in the QRTs) which was attached prior to the tweet shown at 16:11, seems like she may be attempting to cover up what she can instead of taking full responsibility. This is the main issue that's still raising doubt in me. At this point, with the lack of public accountability, one could even begin to speculate whether she has actually contacted ASK or Donald Akron/the artists she's traced/profited from. I hope that when Yeurei returns/soon, she does address this transparently for all of her accounts, since her customers are undoubtedly spread out on multiple platforms and may not even know of this situation. Certainly she owes at least that much honesty to the people who have given her their time and hard cash. I also hope other artists are not so quick to brush this off, as her friends seem to have done in the past. It's important to hold art thieves or cheats accountable through artifacts such as this video/stream and its comments. Not to harass or hold over these individuals, but to maintain a sense of responsibility/integrity in the art community even online. For Yeurei, I suppose only time will tell how sincere she is about her most recent words. I do wish her well.
I heard she just sent off a few parcels from her shop at this moment so I doubt she's going to address it on her other platform seeing how she hates giving refunds. Her customers deserve to know and at least get an opportunity to ask for refund. This entire thing is extremely shady and I hope her artist friends stop trying to sweep it under the rug.
YO???? I bought artwork before from them and loved their art style/merch that’s crazy I never would’ve expected that from them like they have such a MASSIVE platform why would they ever think they need to do that?
wait what if she traces other artworks for the face and then uses AI applications to finish the rest of the body/clothes… like the arlecchino piece with traced face and weird AI looking clothes
Kinda wild that your commentary is making me empathise with the tracer. Would appreciate if you actually did proper research of the art you review and not thrown out accusations just because you have no object permanence. The piece at 9:30 has a time-lapse, there are no problems with that arm, and even if the anatomy were wacky (and it is in some of the drawings), throwing out AI accusations with no ground is low. Also criticising anatomy... that's rich coming from YOU.
I’m honestly so disappointed in yeurei. She was actually one of the artists I look up to because it’s so hard to make art into a career in Singapore but she somehow did it. When I went to cons, I’d look for her booth. Now, it’s so sad to see one of my inspirations tracing…and FROM ASK??? I’m really disappointed.
If you look carefully.. it is not traced. Just heavily referenced. And only the pose.. eventually we are going to run out of pose framed in a specific way if we are going to call it tracing and call out people for it
8:06 Yeah, I am totally a lazy artist. I am called out. lol xD I love drawing simple things even though I know that additional time will add a lot to the drawing. My current character designs are a doozy so I came here to procrastinate. Guess the universe is telling me to get back to work. lol
"Tracing is never ok" "never post your art studies" and the idea that "bad art"=AI. NO! These are all horrible pieces of advice! Tracing for a general figure or pose, without keeping any of your references original composition is an extremely valuable tool for artists who are trying to learn. And the idea of not posting art studies and sketches, or that all "bad art" is coming from AI, is only perpetuating the toxic cycle of art gatekeeping, and invalidating any artists who have "bad" or "unfinished " art. Instead the argument should be to not trace every detail of a piece, but to use tracing as a tool to assist with composition pieces that you struggle with, (ie; tracing a hand into your work, or using a model to create a rough sketch of your figure's pose, tracing the complex and intricate details of a character's outfit, etc), and to clearly mark or state when you are copying another artists work as an art study on that particular artist (obviously give credit to the original.). There is no "right" or "wrong" way to make art, (unless you are stealing someone else's hard work and saying its your own, but that's theft, not art), but there are ethical ways of incorporating other people's work in your own.
Tracing will never be an assistant if you're learning, or in general to create art. You want to learn from the work of other artists? Break down their work and construct sketches using shapes/gestures. Same applies to anything you use as a reference. But tracing gives you nothing, and artists, please, don't fool yourself into this pathetic mentality
@@dan1elr*When you only read the first sentence and jump to conclusions* I get why some people will think that way, but there are instances where tracing, using stencils, incorporating other people's works into your own *is* a useful tool and something you should do. I hate the mentality of "you have to learn the basics before you branch out" or "learn the rules before you break them", it should instead be, "learn what is important to you and your particular artistic direction" and "learn the rules as you break them in purposeful and meaningful ways" Art is not a concrete science, and it never will be. Those who say otherwise aren't artists, they're critics. And I've never had the time or care to listen to a person bastardize someone else's life work and passions. Also, your comment makes me thing that you... Just... Did not understand what I was saying at all. Just... Stop telling other people that they aren't allowed to do art because they "aren't good enough". Stop perpetuating this toxic cycle.
@@Amber_Scarlet Well, now from reading your reply I can clearly say that you *do not* understand what my comment states, as well as the point of the video. First of all, I have *not* jumped to conclusions, I've clearly read your comment multiple times before posting mine. Just because I mentioned that "tracing is not art", doesn't mean it's a rough conclusion. In fact, tracing is not art, and that's why professional artists and artists who respect themselves will never *post* that work. And you are jumping out of the conversation by mentioning stencils, which, well, you really mentioned stencils...? How does that even relate to this? We can use a circled stencil to create the cranium of the head, and later apply detail. That's totally normal. And in fact, do use stencils if you need help with shapes, never seen problems with that. Furthermore, you do *have* to learn the basics before you branch out" and you do *have* to "learn the rules before you break them". Reason? It's simple. In order for you to "learn what is important to you and your particular artistic direction", you *have* to know the basics. That's because art is not a concrete but science. Apart from the feelings it has, it also has logic involved. *How can you expand in a field without knowing what the field is based on?* One thing too: if you wouldn't have time to care, you wouldn't post the main comment and a reply to my comment. *Subsequently, I have never said that people aren't allowed to do art because they "aren't good enough".* You made this out of air and it was ignorant of you to do so. You think it's a toxic cycle? Well, did you think about those whose art gets stolen and published by others claiming the "owners" title? Genuinely, how is that okay and morally right? The only word that applies here is *pathetic.* *The actual conclusion is: trace whatever you want and how you want, and if you somehow learn from that, well, sure. However, if you decide to post that, don't try and claim that the work is yours, you have not created it, and don't be surprised if you see negativity towards you.* // Question closed
@@dan1elr You're just wrong and some random person on youtube. People that have been doing this for years, the FUCKING MASTERS have been doing this for years. This video floored me. There's a huge community of artists that really get extremely cartoonishly toxic towards people who create differently? Focus on your fucking art, when did people start gatekeeping art to this extent. It's fucking disgusting and literally, I'm sorry I hope none of these artists see success for their work. They don't deserve it. Art is about expression. The moment you start trying to police how people express themselves, honestly go fuck yourself.
@@JJo1792 People have been doing what for years? Tracing? I think people have been studying anatomy throughout the last hundreds of years. Tracing has never been a "learning process", rather an efficient tool for quick transferring. These are the actual masters and they are the ones to deserve the title of an Artist, not your crappy traced so called "artworks" made by ignorant people. Nobody gives a damn f*ck about these people, until they start to steal artworks. That's the only and only issue, a very reasonable issue. If you can't respect the art of others, then *you* should be the one to leave this community.
To be fair - I can reference to the point it is a near 1:1 trace. Not traced but so accurate the lines match up exactly for about 85% of the entire drawing. Might actually film myself doing this some day and just overlay it afterwards. That said, this is certainly tracing
thats crazy bc i bought art from her at dokomi and the amount of people queueing for her was huge. she made big income i can tell by the amount of customers and instant sold outs she had
It's kind of a shame that she felt the need to trace because she honestly has so much potential and talent as an artist.
I totally agree.
I honestly can’t agree more
Yeah, all she needed was just to learn anatomy and angles then shes basically unstoppable
She could’ve used one of those 3D posing apps to trace off of, they don’t usually care if you trace.
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There's a girl at my friends school who traced my friends work and put it in her PROFESSIONNAL PORTFOLIO. The school did not defend my friend. They said it was "taking inspiration from the universe they were working on", but said OC that was traced did NOT belong to the original comic they were working on and was entirely created by my friend. Awful behaviour. Don't trace.
That's horrible. Did they ever get repercussions in any other way?
what...that sucks ;-;
There's a difference between tracing other existing art and using a model program meant for tracing. Or the old fashioned way of taking photos then tracing those. It's just a shortcut tool most industry professionals trace to save time on larger projects. But they don't steal art to trace. You can't get exactly what you want out of stolen art anyways. The poses will be slightly off and it will look out of place.
@@LongDeadArtist nope, even though my friend litteraly had a file from that person with her art on a hidden layer, right underneath what the other person had done. Plus this person was bullying her btw. School system
The only thing your allowed to trace at art school where I went was photographs
The fact they thought it was genAI because of how strange it was due to inconsistentcy when it turns out to be due to tracing parts 😂... but honestly, after the artist attitude, would not put past they traced genAI rather than used, as well
PS people defending her definitely did not read the first document past the self pity, favoritism after she blasted a small twitter user (who deleted after harassment) to her 200k* followers, and her shop still open selling the traced works after 3 days after admitting.
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I know AI has a tendency to outright rip off existing art, so it's possible she had AI generate a piece for her to trace, thinking no one would know
You can let AI 'complete' pictures. That's probably why the Arlecchino one had everything below the neck wonky.
Slight correction 200k @@lilblkrose
for me, it's the fact that she SOLD the traced pieces at art conventions.
it's one thing to trace for practice or studies, it's another to publish it online (without credit) AND make prints for MONETARY GAIN. That's like, a whole new level.
Her tracing isn’t even bad they look completely different
@@xiayu6098 That doesn't matter, tracing and then profiting off of it is shameful. Posting traced art without credit is shameful. Tracing for comms and such is shameful and all of it, especially combined, is wholly dishonest.
@xiayu6098 tracing is a tool to learn NOT steal. Learn to draw not just trace its theft period. I don't care how many 'tweaks' are put on it that's not the person's own work the original work shpuld be noted and the person should not profit from such actions.
Secondly tracing from AI is not how one learns proper anatomy much like you aren't supposed to learn anatomy from cartoons it's supposed to be from anatomically correct figures that you then learn how to exaggerate certain features yourself THATS how one properly learns otherwise it becomes inbred.
People really need to stop trying to take from others it's gross behavior and yes anything generated by AI is STOLEN works!
I agree. Tracing is not inherently wrong, especially if you do art for the fun of it. I've done creative pieces using someone else's art as a base but it's not to sell, it's just for fun and I credit the original artist.
@@xiayu6098 honestly I have to agree with you. She traced the general shapes of faces and then changed literally every other detail. A foundation of a house is a foundation of a house and all she did was trace the foundation.
I trace when studying someone's art style, but you will never see me posting them because I'm not proud of them, plus **they are literally traced**. it is a learning process not my final abilities. I have been doing art for a long time now and even went to school for it, but I still don't feel satisfied with myself so I keep studiyng until I'm proud
good! don''t ever let anybody tell you it's not an AMAZING way to learn -- it's just unacceptable to post it or to lie and say you did it without assistance if asked. that's all people gotta do!
I had a bad experience with tracing. I'm the nerds in my junior high and spent my time drawing in class even tho it's break time.. so the whole school knew me as the misterious nerd who like to draw.. then there is this one boy trying to be friend me, he is good at first so we become close.. close enought to go to each other house..
then some day my drawing is gone.. I thought I forgot where I put them but then it become 2 and 3 drawings that are gone.. and one day people are crowding around his table and praised his drawing.. I was shocked when I saw it.. IT WAS MY DRAWING THAT HE DREW.. he traced my drawing.. I knew because it's my art style and not to mention his drawing skill is soooo low at that time he didn't even know what sketch is.. I was just keep silent because I don't want to make a false claim.. but then he came to me and gave back my drawing saying "thank you for lending your drawing" .. what???? I never lent them,... The heck?? Is he a clepto 🙄 and from then on I never talked to him again I was so fed up and traumatized.. because people who saw his drawing first thought I was copying his drawing after seeing the original drawing from mine.. I still have the grudge till this day 😢
I trace body parts because I suck at anatomy (eye shapes, elbow to hand sections, the connection part from stomach to hip) and how my drawing skill works is I memorize the way my hand motions and I can do the body parts. After all that I destroy any traced work forever and do the anatomy on my own. Fixes my drawings quite a bit.
You’ll never get better unless you do it yourself as people have said. When learning new artstyles, now I just trace it in my mind and then just do it. I learned to adapt.
Boothill's outfit is absolutely insane lol it makes no sense.
the more i looked at it the crazier it got
I love how the Boothill piece is literally just his official wish art LMAO
i spotted that one almost instantly since
1) i have Boothill so I see it in battle
2) i am. Mildly obsessed with Boothill
Mildly?
Fellow save a horse ride a cowboy enjoyer 🤭🤭
@@Beeeeeewwwww yees, mildly (he is in my main team and when i have to make a different team comp for a specific battle he remains in the team no matter what)
@@xxxxx-iu4fw okay😺
Bro i love cowboys boothill is so amazing
At this point I dunno whats worse between using AI to make the pictures or tracing because either way people would profit off of it
Both are at the same point, they both suck and shouldn't even be making profit and I feel bad for the people who don't get refunds and the even worse part are the Vtubers who paid for a right and art an it's just a horrible AI Vtuber and they don't get their $500 - $1200 back and that's just sad
I feel both are bad, depending on the circumstances, it’ll be worse than the other.
AI is worse. Tracing is OK if the original owner allows it. Take Rabbit Hole for example
fr
Don't forget about amalgams of two characters, for example WLOP's, that people call "their own OC" xD
i don't get why people trace other artists' work when free bases and 3d models are RIGHT THERE??
Well bases you usually cannot sell or make a profit off of it. Either from copyright from a company or from the artist that made the base.
But like there's those anime reference dolls you could trace if you were to trace XD and any pose you want.
Isn't AI also supposed to be a free reference, like 3D? I honestly don't see the difference. If 3D models are acceptable, tracing AI is also acceptable by my book. I'm not sure whether the artisanship should be more valued or the customer satisfaction. Customer-wise, 3D, Ai are doing fine work. Skiiled artists can not compete with artists who make good use of 3D tools, photoshop tools(they now also have Ai tools in PS). I am confused!
@@drawingpatterns9929well AI uses other artists' styles, that's why it sucks. tracing over AI art is not the same as tracing over 3D model because when you trace over AI you literally copy someone's work (cuz AI usually trains on others artists' works) and you'll never know from who you traced. when using 3D model, they are usually free + have credits, so if you want to leave a credit you can do it without any problems.
Bc they obviously aren't thinking abt what resources are available, their intention is to create the most visually-appealing images they can to generate likes/views/profit. Bases and 3D models aren't usually visually-appealing, you gotta put the legwork in yourself. Whereas they can simply find "pretty artwork" and trace that instead bc it's already visually appealing.
Here’s my POV when it comes to tracing 3d model
Unlike tracing ai images or other people’s art, 3d model gives you extra flexibility to draw in your style because of how it serves as a blank canvas; no face, basic structure. Tho you can also make/use own custom made 3d model that’s complete with anatomy and alter it to your style (like one of the raum artists bm_tol) and use that to speed up the process and focus on your lighting
The thing is, you still need to have some skill to cook the piece, which is why sometimes art made with tracing 3d models can look weird and off
So basically
Tracing other people’s art- con: you have no control/flexibility if you’re tracing the full piece properly: it’s easy
Tracing 3d model: con: it’s not as easy pro: you have more control/flexibility
Now all that being said I’d still recommend using 3d model as REFERENCE, not tracing, for the most amount of flexibility. But that means you have to actually be somewhat competent
Omg. In my art group, we just outed a tracer. Everyone thought she was selling ai, but she was tracing it instead. It's a shame. She was talented but super rude and wasn't getting why tracing and selling it was wrong or even included it in their portfolio.
Do they have a @ in Twitter? I dont wanna comm a tracer.
She disagreed that tracing is "wrong" and you have no leg stand on by just calling it "wrong". Don't expect someone being bothered on twitter to take it kindly.
@worldhello1234 I defended her at first until the evidence came out. She had 3 people calling her all types of stuff. But when I acknowledged the facts, she tried to convince me, and when I disagreed and told her my opinion civilly, she blew up on me. Telling me not to defend those "assholes."
@@red-rr3is sele gna. It was on a Facebook group.
I also mentioned someone she called a child earlier and just mentioning them sent her over
Honestly if I showed up early to a convention and got sold obviously inauthentic art I'd be pretty pissed, especially if I was a fan of the artist. Putting this person on blast for being angry & requesting a refund AND THEN HAVING THE AUDACITY TO OFFER REFUNDS WHEN PEOPLE FOUND OUT SHE TRACED is wild 💀💀💀
she fr thinks people are gullible lmao
I don't get the "audacity" part.
That's what they're supposed to do no? Offer refunds? I mean... do people expect Yeurei to NOT refund?
But everything else, I agree.
@@defaulted9485they’re just pointing out how crazy the 180 was 😭
@@transjeffdrI genuinely don’t understand this part, so what if the person changes for the better???? 😭 people change everyday every second every minute and every hour, so why does it suddenly matter now when a person you don’t even know change sbbsbsvsvb people get angry over everything smh
This is how I understand it: the person who accused the artist for using ai and requesting a refund because of this was posted on the artist’s account with 200k followers with the intent to shame them and for their followers to flame them to the point of deleting their account, but then not even a week later when it was revealed that the artist was tracing did the artist do a complete 180 from their previous behavior of humiliating the accuser. To compare this with a with a similar situation, it’s like refusing to refund and publicly humiliating the person who bought your book because they believed it was written by ai, but later offering refunds just because the public found out you plagiarized. The artist didn’t change for the better, they changed only (huuuge emphasis on only) because they were caught
The worst thing about this was that she was going to go to Smash Con, Sydney, and I was legit going to BREAK BANK at her shop because her art was so pretty to look at - and then this WHOLE THING happened 😅
It's a good thing this got exposed before that and your bank is save now I hope?
@@winne208honestly? I would still get it lmao, i myself am an artist, drawing traditional art from 16 years now, and i still like the drawing enough to get it even if it's traced. I mean, only the pose is traced, not the whole thing right? That's what I got from looking at her Twitter. I myself used to trace when drawing poses until i became good enough to draw without needing any references. There is just so much extra details added to the traced art, that for me it's justified to buy it as a separate item, although getting permission from the original artist would have been better as the question of ethics comes if you take it without permission.
@@Mayank_MJ If you are okay with it isn't it fine to support her? It's really up to each individual.
Some people don't agree with what she did to the customer and how she handled the situation. Tracing is still tracing no matter how much you try to justify it. She didn't just trace the pose, she traced and copied the artist's compositions. This artist don't speak her language and price way lesser than her. Tracing is fine for studying but copying and profitting so much off another artist is just shady to me.
Like what you say, it's up to how much you can justify her work ethics. I think she's a very talented artist, but for these specific works she copied from, I would rather support the original artist than her.
@@winne208 oh i support the original artist too, every single art shown in the video or every single art she ever referenced is drawn by an artist i follow. I follow most of the anime artists on the internet lol. And i don't know about anything that happened with the fans and about the purchases. I didn't watch the whole video, just the tracing portions, so I'm only talking about the tracing parts and nothing about the refunds. Tracing is ok with me if you take permission or actually put a lot of effort in the art and actually make it look different enough. Her art is kinda in the middle as it looks different enough and has a lot of effort put in but she didn't get permission to use the pose. I used to trace 6-7 years back when I was still learning art, but whenever I traced I used to change the composition so that it didn't feel like tracing that much. Although now I'm skilled enough to draw without any references, ofc I'm talking about drawing on paper as that's what I'm good at, my speciality is shading and water colours, but I can also do oil painting, acrylics and pencil colours. So my skill set is fundamentally different from that of a digital artist, so how easy it is to trace digital art isn't that apparent to me even though I've tried digital art before
@@Mayank_MJ Yups I get your point, as long as the original artists she traced/copied from gives her the permission, it's something everyone can move on with. Her case just blew up because of how she escalated the situation. You might want to watch the whole video since people are mad less about the tracing but more about her actions.
Even till now while she said she's taking a break, she's still sending mails, havn't refunded some people nor address it in her other social media, so many are upset about that.
The whole depression route is quite the sight. Went on a whole ramble about how depressed they were they were caught. "I don't know how to tell my two dogs, who would always be so excited"
This person acts like they can NEVER do art. As if its TRACE/AI or nothing at all. She had such a bad behaviour towards the person calling her out, thinking she was in the right. That is some major ego.🤨🤨🤨🤨
PREAAACHHHHH
Yeah nah. When people get outed for something they did then start acting all sad idc it's not purpusful pitty baiting, i find it pathetic. Because they either tought they would aways get away with it, or they genuenly believe they're the victim for getting outed. If you cant deal with the concequenses of something don't do it. Pathetic.
Btw, the Furina and arlecchino pieces were sold as acrylic block in Dokomi at least, 40 euros each, traced pieces, not just the pgotocards :(. The prints weren't cheap either, she has profitted a lot of money with those traced artworks
the acrylic blocks were 50 euros, i know that cause i bought the blade one there :c
i can't believe her traced pieces are more expensive compared to ASK
the fact they traced from an official art of boothill and boothill's outfit still looks uncanny 😭 they didnt even try to make the details right
at this point, there could also be a possibility of both tracing and using AI. she can always trace and feed it to AI and ask AI to change or add certain bits to the drawing
Thats what ive been thinking too. Probably feed it her own drawings too to make it look like her own artstyle.
@@tatututuuu3515that’s actually genius
Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of artists use AI art as a “reference” to make physical paintings on canvas, but they just paint in all the flaws and mistakes that the AI generator pushed out.
It’s wild to see them get so offended and use “it can’t be AI, it’s on a physical canvas” as an excuse..
Fr, I see it all the time on Instagram, but it honestly looks like they just took the AI image and photoshopped it over a picture of a canvas or paper and art supplies
@@dracolegend7739 I've found weirder situations where people go out of their way to use a projector to trace it on to canvas and then they don't bother making any changes to make it look realistic, they just paint all the illogical mistakes and AI hallucinations as they see it. and that's their way of trying to say it's real, because they physically painted it...
some of them are REALLY good at copying art and it's blowing my mind that they're either not noticing or not caring about the mistakes they're copying.
I get using AI images for some reference if you can not find a reference for what you're going for ANYWHERE but I still think of it as a last resort or needing several non AI references for additional input
@@VIofCaffeine I use it mostly for color ideas yeah, but for actual content and anatomy and stuff I use 3d models or photo references.
@@dracolegend7739 I use it for that too. Like when I designing a character and choose the colors but I can't visualize if will look good, I write a basic description of the character with the dolors for the AI to see if they fit together instead of trying on the paper and having to throw away the drawing because I don't like it (I do mostly traditional art)
It's so infuriating that scammers and bad actors will just pop off but the honest and hard working artists are left in the dark and unseen.
real the underrated ones deserve much more attention
Agree totally. My daughter is an aspiring artist who used to look up to Yeurei’s art. She was so inspired by her and often wished her own art is even 10 percent of Yeurei’s. At least I can proudly said my daughter didn’t trace anyone’s art and still manage to sell decent quantity despite having only 200 followers. 😅
just found this video and was hoping it wasnt the same person who made the art on two pins I bought and really liked last year but when she showed the blade drawing I felt so betrayed 💀 might toss them
i work so freaking hard to make animations and art, ive been on the grind for 4 years and have barely any traction, meanwhile tracers and people who use ai get so popular and its really demotivating 😣
Ok, so this might be a hot take, but I dont think that if you trace something as a study it has to be kept completely private. Especially as a beginner artist you can share it, you just have to credit the original artist and you can't monetize it in any way.
Yeah but she SOLD IT
@@xxcardi-of7lm ye I'm not defending the person the video is about, but Kat was also saying that if you trace to study no one should *ever* see it, it has to be completely private. That's what I was disagreeing with.
that's a frozen take (meaning that a lot of people agree with you)
not trying to be rude btw,just woke up in the morning
To be honest I don't really get why she'd trace/use ai. She definitely does trace, but at the same time she could be using ai because like no matter what art style you use, or like how you render, there are many inconsistencies in her artwork, and they are all quite obvious. She has so much potential. Her way of drawing line art, and rendering is sharp yet beautiful. If she isn't good at anatomy, she should practice first! Anatomy is hard, perspective is hard, drawing side faces is hard, but it's not like it's impossible. And with her experience, I'm sure she could learn it all in a very short time. Hopefully she genuinely does change and instead of taking the easy route to things, she'll be able to learn and understand the actual feeling of drawing everything out of scratch instead of tracing.
"there are many inconsistencies in her artwork" but at the same time all her artwork was purchased in 10 minutes, and all people wanted to purchase her artwork.
i see more decadence on the people that purchase full blind, not even knowing the artist, not knowing anything about the art they are purchasing.
then harassing the artist for something, AI, that is not true.
I've had to review a lot of portfolios recently, many of which were plagued with AI. I would say with utmost confidence that the artist here traced some key components, and *then* ran that through AI. The lack of logical continuity, the lost edges, and nonsensical details are dead giveaways. Double whammy!
Tracing ASK of all artists is so crazy to me... They're like one of the most popular anime-style artists right now
Honestly not defending the artist but you just cannot be acting like an art expert, YOU are not qualified to nitpick art when you do not understand it, and you're making younger artists feel nervous about the fact that 'apparently they can't ever ever ever get anatomy even slightly wrong or they'll be condemned of AI'
Also this comment section is so hateful like holy hell you all really just gathered up to see someone better than y'all burning
Oh yeah and ai disturbance filters don't work anymore. i hate ai
it never worked unless u put it at min 40%
AI art is getting worse that's why I'm glad my art sucks that no one would ever copy it but what's worse is that real artist are getting balmed for being AI especially the Anime style, Jelly style, and Realistic style, Traditional art isn't safe either which makes it worse
I dislike AI too, but about tracing, has been here before AI existed, either way both aren’t good. But it depends how you use it as well.
IIRC Glaze and Nightshade still work. the individual noise filters people tried to use to substitute glaze and nightshade were likely never as effective.
@@Scarlavein Actually they don't, Stanford used simple forensics and were able to undo Nightshade affected images. My advice is talk with the source, the programmers of these generative programs, if I can get in DMs with Wombo, I'm sure you can find a way to get into contact with a programmer yourself, they're the ones that actually know what it takes to break a generator it's not something like Nightshade by a long shot.
This makes me slightly uncomfortable as an artist. There is a good chance that it IS heavily referenced, there is a good chance that it’s traced. They should show their entire process, most definitely but I feel uncomfortable that everyone is just immediately jumping to the same conclusion… I use a lot of references, and it makes me uncomfortable someone might say I’m tracing if I use the same pose or head angle because I find a reference with angles I really like….
the thing with yeurei is that it exactly lines up with the traced image line for line, even if you heavenly reference something it wouldnt count as traced because the chances of replicating that exact accuacy through referencing is pretty low
It looks heavily referenced to me rather than traced.. there are people who can mimic references very well without tracing and this seemed like case to me. While the angle and overall proportion is the same it doesnt look 1:1 in more than one area if you pause the video. This doesn't look like tracing to me.
It's stressful to be an artist these days. Draw well = get accused of AI. Draw not so well (good in rendering and bad in anatomy as in this case) = accused of AI. AI has done more than stealing jobs, its also turning artists against each other.
The point i dont like is that all those tracing debates are always about anime art because it's simplified to the point that everything can be exactly the same, and it's not traced or even looked
This is how I feel as an artist too, this whole situation makes me feel so umcomfortable. Especially since yeurei’s art is basically the most basic anime girl prototypical face and same with ask, there’s pretty much never going to be much of an anatomical differences amongst people who draw the typical anime face.
I once drew something on my iPad using a reference, I did not trace, but when I lined the reference up to my drawing it lined up 1 to 1. It can happen. It was just a drawing for me, I didn’t sell it or anything, I’m not an artists.
Feels like every day someone else is getting accused / caught using AI or tracing :(
It’s easier than actually learning anatomy and studying for hours. Tracers and ai users are lazy and looking for unethical ways to cut corners. It makes me very sad.
@@crownedoll i mean what do you expect its so hard for artist to make money. An drawn art piece takes 20 hrs while AI render takes 1 min, I have seen many many AI art pieces with millions of views on twitter. It's only a matter of time when AI takes over.
@@crownedoll As an artist myself, I agree, and it’s sad to see 😥 learning how to draw is hard, but much more fulfilling and worth it!
@@jinyou3982 What do we expect?? To be genuine??? Is that such a wild thing to ask? raise your standards a little bit jeez...
@@crownedollhonestly, I kinda get them. I don't use AI or do any form of drawing, but if I wanted to do so, I would probably be the same as them.What's the point of trying to do it properly when I'm going to end up mediocre and possibly even quit half way, anyways?
there are options on some AI generators where you can upload a reference image then change it with AI prompts. this is why it looks traced AND ai work. because it could be both traced and generated by ai
Just wondering, have these AI witchhunts gotten to the point that people have swung back to the "if you're not making stuff out of thin air, it's fake art!" mindset? I use 3D models for posing/proportions and stuff, so it feels like they'll start coming after me sooner or later.
Nah- There's people out there who still disagree with that, but they're the same kind of people who believe looking at references at all is a sin (sorry i cant shit out a perfect giraffe first try).
Most people understand that the hate towards AI and tracing stems from someone not getting consent, claiming as their own and/or making profit off of another's artist hard work.
3D dolls are super cool tools but not shortcuts towards easy profit. Plus, the people behind the doll's modelling and program literally made it so we use em. That's consent right there!
But people can get mad at anything. Facts are, though, that using a 3D puppet is not ripping anyone off.
Hating it doesn't hold logically or morally, it's purely opinion at this point- and who gives a fuck about strangers opinion on the internet???
Personally, I will never feel bad for using Design Doll so I know how ass would look like from every angle
As an artist, I actually don't think the overlay part with makima and other one is 1:1 traced. I actually think it was referenced, but it's still VERY similar and she dhoulsve have credited the artist for the ref.
15:20
7:14 the ear is also weird as hell. In such angle, it should be drawn slightly otherwise?? Its strange to see such small, but silly mistake compared to the rest of art
I never knew online anime art community is so full of drama and scammers like this.
It is still an art community, there's no such thing as peace
@@Phlegm_Thrower lol I think you need to read the definition of a scam again. This has nothing to do with a scam 💀
@@che7941 a scam is defined as a "fraudulent or deceptive operation". In this case, it is 100 percent a scam.
The artist was a fraud who tried to pass off traced artwork (sorry "heavily referenced) to their fans for a profit. The fans are buying the merch, with a certain level of expectation that it is all original art.
Not to mention even after the public statement, all these artworks are still very much up for purchase. The website also does not say anything about tracing or the incident or any mention of refunds.
5:28 tbh I make the same mistake in the anatomy. It’s a pretty careless observation in my opinion. Just listening to all of the observations is kind of.. off putting (?) to me? But that’s just me ig..
This is a very weird version of the Streisand effect, where instead of trying to hide the alligations she herself made the email public (posted it onto her account), which then spiraled into her being exposed because of her posting about it and bringing attention to it in the first place, lmao
it is refreshing to see how yuerei is taking all the right steps in responsibility and accountability which may be the bare minimum but we dont see it often especially on such a large scale of refunds. i hope she grows from this.
I’m sure it easy when not everyone who bought from her follows her online to know to get a refund
Ngl they still feel very sneaky considering how they deleted the main tweet in their apology thread + never updated their ig about the situation
Imagine blasting a small twitter account to 200k of your followers only to get exposed and try to gain sympathy by "not eating 😢"
I just deleted all their works from my discord and blocked them on Twitter, shame I liked their work but I'm not about to support someone who uses AI AND traces ppl artwork. It's an insult to all artists including myself.
ngl this one is PARTIUCLARLY crazy....
And that’s why kids, learn your fundamentals before getting into the business side of things. You won’t be artistically stable enough to keep up with people and the algo if you try to do both with shaky skills
Your so correct about this
At what point is something not actually traced? There are thousands upon thousand of pieces uploaded daily, in a few days you could 100% fill almost every angle and every pose at every depth and every perspective. Like when you trace at 15:10, if you could actually run an AI search prompt on all image forums you would find that the original is 'traced' too. Even worse when everyone's drawings are so generic you could find the same pose thousands of times in a single second.
wait this is so shocking ive been following them on instagram since 2021, i wasn't very active interacting with their page cuz instagram doesn't show me posts of who im following a lot (unfortunately) but i also loved ask's art for years as well so this is quite disappointing to hear about.
plus, the thing is, even if it wasn't traced and just heavily referenced, making profit off the heavily referenced art is really wrong. I remember yeu used to sell acrylic blocks which are quite expensive too.. im glad they ended up apologizing but ye i hope they come back a better person
It's not wrong. Every artist since the dawn of time has done art from reference. The big difference between this artist and other artists you like is that this one is being bullied and accused of doing what everyone else does, making it seems like some big horrible thing.
While really, it's normal, even good for making really nice looking art.
@@Utrilusare you deaf or did you not watch the video?? references are fine but tracing drawings and passing them off as your own is a shitty thing to do, not to mention that they were SELLING MERCH off of art that THEY TRACED AND PASSED OFF AS THEIR OWN
@@TH3CL0WNK1NG But do you have eyes, did you notice that the only things in common were the face shape and pose, meaning none of it was traced, just very referenced well.
It's not stealing someone else's art and reselling it.
@@Utrilus “none of it was traced just referenced very well” yeah keep being in denial
you could be the best artist in the world and reference a pose, and it still wouldn’t line 1-1 the way that the traced art did
@@TH3CL0WNK1NGif you look carefully, its not 1:1 at all. Slow down the video or pause it. She heavily referenced the base model but it’s not traced.
I'm listening in 14 minutes, and already I disagree with about 80% of the critiques and analysis. Everyone suddenly became an expert because Ai exists... If everyone spent more time practicing instead of
accusing artist of Ai or Tracing, maybe their art will be better. There is a lot to unpack. But I just gotta say, it definitely was referenced and not a direct tracing. Stop with the pitchforks. when I saw the overlays. It's not traced. I respect her craft, and would encourage anyone to do the same. Even famous manga artist will use classic paintings for reference and inspiration. As long as it's transformative and altered enough, I feel it's fine. It's not line for line. It can appear to line up, but unless it's 99% it's not traced. Look again. The complex details that have been added is more than enough to warrant being called an original, that had inspiration. It's not at all required to credit or detail all of your references used. The line that extends beyond the collar bone?? Really? The hand? The lack of anatomy? This may be a result of random design, or Ai, but it's not definitive. Going down this route and we can all witch hunt everyone for using AI. People look at my stuff from 8 years ago and acuse me of AI, it's flattering, but more over, it's boring. I hate watching the mob crowd around to see the bonfire they created. There are some valid points, and there are some people who definitely need to be called out, but in this case, It's not. She referenced the angle and pose, but this compromise of only 2% of the final product. This one act overshadowed all the hard work she put into her art and craft. Do you really think a tracer can pull off this finish?
13:21 ... im sorry.. that is not 1:1 ... i dont know both artists and its the first video i see of u today. For me this seems like someone trying to push drama for their own benefit.. i do have experience drawing and this is... not called a 1:1 .. a 1:1 copy looks different
The mouth, nose and shoulders don’t even come out the same. Whilst I think the artist has definitely over referenced it’s not 1:1, definitely being amped up for drama.
The way the original tweet got 29 views and no one would’ve seen the email pointing out the tracing/possible AI use if yuerei never posted them to X to try to defend herself 💀 liars always out themselves in the end because they’re so paranoid of getting caught.
This came at such a bad time for them too they were meant to attend Sydney Smash literally this weekend but have since pulled out
At least no more people will be scammed
they weren't there period. friends who went there said their booth was empty
Its not one to one. The nose, mouth, ears, eyes are different. Basically it looks like the artist used the art for the jaw, hair and general head size. It's still tracing but its not a one to one trace.
Broooo they were one of my favorite artist :/
that's ok, you CAN still like them. You don't have to join the cancel movement because they traced or used AIs,
@@baiwuli6781lol what?? People like them for their work and the skill that people THOUGHT she HAD. She’s also SELLING the work, we will absolutely be no longer supporting her.
@@baiwuli6781 For your comment I can believe that you are not an artist. She is scamming people left and right lmao. Tracing is wrong, using AI is super wrong; both are ways to steal.
She clearly has talent, if only she used her time to actually practice instead of stealing then it would be another thing.
@@mi4ikulook, all I'm trying to say is cancelling her is a choice, and you don't have to make that choice.
I used to FOLLOW THEM omg they were such a big inspiration for drawing modern outfits for genshin characters also follow ASK I love making art studies of her art style
Lol, so you're tracing the tracers work. > sarcasm.
You should know how much easier using reference making making good looking art. And that it's common to the point of most artists doing it.
@@Utrilus I don’t trace art I just like how they used to make modern outfits for genshin characters also making art studies doesn’t require tracing the artist’s work it requires lots of practice and understanding the artist’s reasoning for exaggerating certain features plus I didn’t know they traced art to begin with since I saw them before following ASK ( note: you can trace other’s art but don’t post it claiming it as your own and make sure to credit the artist if you do post it online and it’s good to draw something from scratch without the help of tracing)
@@leyyaballim1458 If watching pewdiepie learn taught me anything it takes copying good artist's work to get good at drawing yourself.
And well, making really nice things.
When he drew without reference they looked markably worse, but still better than before he started.
Like copying is super important for art.
Seeing videos like this just pisses me off. Like tearing down artists cause they copy, when like that's how artists get the best results and make the best art, reference.
The summary of this video pretty much is if you refrence never post stuff online. 💀 Lest you get one angry customer who is gonna do everything to tear your career down.
Sorry for venting.
@@Utrilus it’s fine! It’s good you’re learning about plagiarism since many new artist and even professional artists doesn’t understand what classifies as plagiarism and copyright
@@Utrilus also I don’t like people who steal artwork and claim it as their own (also profiting off it by selling merchandise and offering commissions) it’s horrible that this happens so often to artists
I think we've already passed the point where it's faster to just train to be an actual artist than to learn how to disguise, that you're not an AI artist.
The pity baiting in the end truly is audacious of them
In the past, I’ve never followed anyone who got into dramas like these, so it’s a shame to think that someone I’ve followed for a while is guilty of this..
If you're referancing a pose, how many variations to the og work can you possibly have? Especially in anime where everyone suffers from same face syndrome. Not defending her but curious
this much harrassment over a traced drawing? like seriously people you're no better than them
The harassment is the the issue in this case, but the criticism is reasonable
I wouldn't care about referencing her sources if she was just uploading her art, but since she's making money off of the art, she's not only stealing from other artists, but lying about her skills to her customers.
i don't know why, but this makes me feel relieved somehow?? maybe i just miss when artists used to say "it's traced" instead of "it's ai"
I dont know of her but she clearly has potential and I hope that she is able to learn and reflect from this. I took art in college and I was amazed at how much my classmates improved their drawing skills in 2 years (we compared what we drew at the beginning to the end). We actually drew live models and it really helped with understanding anatomy
200k followers, and they trace :/
To be fair, they traced a really good artist 😂
another google docs statement
I've been studying other masters works and have been tracing and redrawing the poses of the artworks and it feels so wrong, I know it's hard to come up with poses and composition that is why I usually look for inspiration and redrawing the pose on my own and heavily avoiding tracing as what I have done in the beginning
As a non-artist who has used Midjourney to generate art of characters (overwatch, genshin) the first 5/6 examples are 100% AI generated. I would even go on to say they are AI generated and then she traces the parts (hands, faces, some clothes) where it gets "muddy" and confusing before beginning her timelapse.
Honestly, people would definitely also accuse me of tracing AI (it did happen) but that's because I never learned how to correctly draw anatomy (too lazy to learn) so my pieces all look a little weird if u look very closely.
I'm putting way too much detail in one part of the drawing and another part looks like dogwater😭
loving the meow sounds at the background~
my cat likes to add his opinion xD
I thought I was crazy 😭
I was wondering who else noticed that!
ai now can generate speedpaint drawing, i wonder what is exist for.😔
Bro, that's straight up AI
AI tends to add muddy illogical ornaments and detailing, and its CRAZY is clear on all of the pieces the customer got
It's not even allegations. No human merges necklaces with skin wtf
Seems like they may have used an AI to "complete" some images (extend beyond the edge of the illustration) among other things. Thats so disappointing. :[ Honestly, when people go to cons, make an effort to support traditional hand drawn art as a commission. Its soooo cool to have a piece of physical art and you have a very low chance of getting scammed with a physical piece of art!
While tracing is a common and widely used artistic technique, when you are going to profit from it (whether monetarily or even socially) it should only be used with copyright free images, images you have bought the copyrights to, or ones you’ve been given explicit, written permission to use in this fashion.
It’s crazy how much being able to render well can cover up lack of skill. All the art looks good on first glance, but that’s the issue. Anyone who’s looking to buy a cool print at a con is likely only going to look for a little bit. It’s only after they get home and have more time to look that they might notice.
Really sucks this has been happening so often.
if you cheated once, no body will trust you again.
oh man, something i noticed is that it's interesting how you can be accused of using AI for having really good art, but then also the flipside, with having... confusing art?
I'm honestly very dissapointed in Yeurei.. she was one of my biggest inspirations in my artwork and merch wise... that's a shame.
its easy to copy stuff so much that they align 1:1
I am no way even remotely as good as them, but sometimes when I get lucky, face features literally overlaying 1:1 with a photo I am copying. Without grid obv
Lmao at 23 min that is the best giveaway though, KEKW
13:32 I don't think this was traced though? the lines don't perfectly match at all, it normally does with traced work. It is actually possible to overly reference things, I've done it before when I wanted something to be just right. Sometimes your artist eye back fires on you and referencing can turn into copying lol. It's the same as a artistic forgery, they don't trace paintings man but they can get super close with their own ability to the original. Am I saying it's right? dependable on the situation, but please don't say this is tracing if not 100% confirmed.
14:22 Forgery, not tracing. Though not a complete Forgery since they made the art their own. Glad they know now, not to reference just one artist though if they are struggling with a pose lol.
15:31 yeah and we don't know if they drew directly over it.
I do however feel like some of the works they did was too close to AI, but yee.
15:55 Fully agree, if you do post it for whatever reason, maybe to show your progress from tracing to doing pieces completely yourself. Put in big bold letters over the traced work that it's traced work next to work you've finally done on your own. The down side of this though, people might question your none traced art then, because that's the internet. But I like showing growth, so idk. Post at your own risk even when being flat out honest.
17:44 I still don't think it's traced, but now I'm heavy leaning on it being AI, I haven't tested this to confirm my sus, but in Krita there is a way to AI art, and use poses as 'references' normally it's some stick figure software though that I've seen. I wonder if you can take a drawing though (or photo) and make that as the pose reference, and make a completely new render of whatever you want using that pose. Because since some elements feel like AI in the art, it would then make sense why the lines don't completely line up like with tracing. I hope I'm explaining this right. I wish they'd show a WIP video, because that's the best way to clear their name lol. Otherwise they are so fake. With the AI software, it's SUPER easy to change parts of a pose "flawlessly" but you can still miss the errors if you don't have the eye to notice them.
27:50 Least they are owning their mistakes, whatever those mistakes really were be it AI, tracing, Forgery, doesn't matter they still did a wrong, so I'm glad they are offering to refund those that were wronged. Now I hope this isn't all fluff and they REALLY are refunding people.
Edit: saw some typos so tried to fix them, if still errors welp XD
Yeah with such cases of accusations once a few works are confirmed to be traced a lot of the artist's credibility goes out the window and distrust manifests into their other works which I understand why but it is still unfortunate to see people generalize and hop on to conclusions so fast. In many of these cases there is often too much to comment about in long videos like these so I appreciate that there is someone like you marking down some of these points and starting a discussion about what may actually be traced or otherwise.
@@k31un Agree, even if they try to change for the better, it's already too late. They'll most likely be forced to change their style, their name, etc and start over at this point if they still want to continue the path of being a artist. Which is disheartening to lose a chance for growth.
I worry for the day when using 3D models, tracing over them, is seen in a negative light. So many professionals do this, it's a time saver when with time crunches/deadline/ more then one client,ect. If using a tool is written off as being lazy that's going to be so discouraging. Even in animations like anime, they cut corners to make deadlines. Time is money, can't always afford to spend hours on a piece. But in time this might happen, because lumping everything together under one term.
Part of my wordiness is due to my mental state sometimes haha, but I'm glad I came off clear, normally my long comments are frowned upon when noticed.
Even if in the end, if my points are proven wrong, happy to shine light on other possibilities of what we're seeing.
As someone who spent a few years solely calling out tracers, that first one definitely looks traced. There's a very minor trick tracers will do in hopes of putting people off. They'll slightly skew the image before tracing it. I'm sure it can be perfectly aligned.
@@The_Summoning oh wow, I didn't think of that, that is another possibility.
ugh, why can't people just put in the time to learn to do art and use tools correctly =table flip= then questioning if a person is fake or not wouldn't have to be a thing. lol.
I don't think it's traced, not intentionally, at least (for the purple-haired girl one). It could be she thought her own placement of certain elements looked strange, so she underlayed it with the artwork to get a better sense of how to correct it. There's only so many ways to make that pose look correct anatomically, so limiting adjustments seems understandable. It's clear she still took liberties with the additional elements, changed composition, color palettes, style, rendering, line width, and entirely redid the hair, outfit, and environment. I think people should still be allowed to post these. Good artists are always learning, always having challenges despite being so talented, to where it feels like you're cornered into making perfect. So I have some empathy for that artist. (I've only seen the first 14 mins btw)
Tbh I find the Ai-witchhunt getting kinda extreme. Its like artists are not allowed to make mistakes anymore and everyone needs to make everything 100% correct. So many artists just draw for fun and dont care if things are not 100% correct or illogical.
except yeurei has made an insane amount of money from these
@@headfunk5646 It is not even confirmed that she used AI. My point is that other artists start to pick apart other artists work because of some incorrect elements and accuse them of using ai. Ive seen so many artists get accused for using AI for making simple mistakes.
I personally have made the glasses mistake myself. It was simply drawing glasses on separate layer, then forgetting to erase the parts that were supposed to be at the back. And my anatomy knowledge sucks too so i guess i am ai? 😂😂😂
This is an awful statement. Basically saying "Oh scammers getting outed is kind of extreme" Literally where? People use AI that had stollen tons of data, tons of people's artwork and you say it's a "mistake"? It's not. Do they say it's AI? Mostly no and THAT'S why they are getting outed for being scammers.
@@rinar3562 right because everyone is scamming? Tf 💀 I am talking about artists overanalizing other artists and picking their art apart. And then potentially falsely accusing them of using AI, simply because things are not logical, there are some mistakes or sometimes we are just lazy. SURE you can prove that you dont use ai. But i sucks when you suddenly have a mob of people framing you as a scammer because of some dramachannel or because other artists start picking your stuff apart.
And before you say "this does not happen".
It literally does A LOT since I know a couple of hardworking artists that were a victim of being falsely accused as a scammer as well.
It’s really unfortunate. i waited in line for 20-30 minutes to pick up one of her Dan Heng acrylic stand blocks for a friend who was stuck in Exhibit Hall and she seemed really sweet and genuine so i followed her page shortly after the purchase😪 The girl has talent, i just wish she hadn’t turned to tracing. She was one of the few artists who had a line to her table every single day at all hours of the con.
She's not tracing, she's referencing very well. Almost every artist does this, getting a good reference does wonders for making beautiful art.
@@UtrilusHer drawings are literally one to one with the original pictures, how is this not tracing? 💀
@@flopcartman The only similarities are in the pose and face shape. And even then they are not perfectly 1 to 1. Just impressively close.
Eyes are different, characters are different, hair are different, colors are different, details are different.
Most things are different.
I wouldn't call this plagiarism, it's just referencing a pose and face shape and then drawing a new character in it.
Most artists do this.
@@UtrilusI think you should rewatch the video
It is tracing. Stealing from other artists to make quick bucks from one of the most profitable franchises. (I’m familiar with con artists and some will deliberately follow these franchises cause’s it’s a real bussiness tactic. Not saying doing this is wrong.) It is all about money making.
Being an artist and knowing how artists are constantly getting robbed and pushed around by the algorithm, the AI bros and getting their art stolen to make profit while they themselves makes little to no money, is not something a respectable artist would do.
She could have traced their work to learn to draw better. No one would have said a thing.
She could have traced their works to gain popularity on socmed so she can sell her own art/ make commission.
It is still not good at all but it’s better than stealing from an artist to make half-assed arts (all those weird details and blatant anatomy fails, as an artist, no one who can draw at that level would let their arts look like a disgrace like that), of the most easily profitable franchises right now, have the audacity to call out and expect their fans to slander a customer that supported her and now demand refunds of the low quality works (mind you, weird artifacts and anatomy as I stated).
Why are you still defend such a person? Have you never seen artists that so insecure about their works despite how good they’re just because it is not popular because it’s original work not fanart? Have you seen these people have been blatantly stolen by some “popular fandom” fanartists?
Where is the justice in that that you just can steal from the better but less popular people - that just because they didn’t want to sell their soul to the money - and make tens of thousands dollars while the hardworking original artists struggle to put themselves out there?
Next time you defend a person like this, ask yourself do they actually worth it, even more so than the ones they harmed by stealing from them? Does supporting the stealers make you happy morally?
Considering my art honors teacher in high school had almost everyone trace body structures instead of doing them from scratch I feel a little weird that people are mad about tracing. There’s only so many ways and set a body artwork.
are you dense? tracing is good for studies, NOT for posting and selling your traced art to the public💀
This one caught me off guard cause they’re so good and clearly knows how to draw good anatomy but just… chose to trace. They also seem to only trace the face angles mostly, and they totally could’ve just used 3d models, it’s so baffling. I really really like their art too, it’s a shame
As someone who studied an anatomy book for years just to be able to draw people in poses, this is not fair.
Tracing over a generic pose? Are you kidding me? What if she had used a 3d model from a software instead and tracing that to get the pose? I mean get serious people, the accusations are laughable 🤣🤣🤣. Artists use references all the time.
I'm getting tired of this shit and I'm about to start reporting these videos for harassment.
As an artist myself, tracing a generic pose is not the problem. Tracing 3d models is not a problem either. Some Industry artist will even encourage it as it helps save time.
Example being the mangaka, Inio Asano. Who uses 3d models for the environments in his mangas.
Overly referencing to the point it's similar IS.
And don't hit me with the whole 'anime is the same style' shtick. I've seen countless of anime art from different artist to the point you can actually determine which art is which from different artists.
Yeejchan
Minjye
Yoneyama Mai
Ask
Mika Pikazo
Qtonagi
LAM
Rella Kinoko
Croquette
Jia
And so many more.
All draw anime but if you've studied their art for a long time. You get to see the differences in their anatomy and what they focus on their art. Such as composition, coloring, rendering, lighting etc.
I don't think Yuerei used AI, it looks like it but until there's definitive proof, it's all hearsay.
But I do believe that they heavily referenced and even heavily traced. And I've been in the community long enough to know that if you DID do that, then you have an obligation to share your heavy reference.
Also, I find it odd you'd mention the whole tracing for your own art but not mention the fact that Yuerei MONETIZED these works.
That's what people had a problem with.
Their point is that they traced and using AI over other people arts
I know that the artist admitted to tracing, that being said I don't think this is enough to say if someone is tracing. And yes, I do draw.
Most of the evidence for the tracing is that the face lineart is similar to another artist, seems mostly a specific one in this case. It is possible for someone to create similar line placement, even by pure accident, by following the rules of anatomy. If two people have overlapping drawings to an extent it does not automatically equal tracing. There is plenty of random drawings you can put together and they will overlap. Just google any anime + pose idea and there will be many results that come across as really similar, even more than what this artist did.
Honestly accusation nowadays are going into two buckets: good anatomy but weird details = must have used AI, worse anatomy but details are consistent = tracing.
The only thing I know for sure that this artist is guilty of is that they are bad at anatomy and they should go back to the drawing board.
A couple things I'll disagree with. "Artists are lazy" in reference to adding more detail than needed... nah.
Also it's 100% possible to get a 1 to 1 of something just by referencing it, the whole upside down picasso thing as a precursor to other practices to help with that.
That being said this artist absolutely engaging in unsavory activities.
ur right about everything but no, it’s not a 1 to 1 overlay. if it were 1:1, the drawing would look more anatomically correct.
I think she means the important parts are 1-1, eyes, face structure, mouth
@@Sqewree ah
@@selenabaozi but yeah you’re right everything else she tried to fill in the anatomy is wonky
fun fact, if you look correctly @ specifically 6:36 ,
she's not just holding the frame, but got a finger through the lens as well when lifting them, maybe that was the intended pose
even if the tracing part can't rlly be defended and if anything, probably A.I. too
lot of clashing details not making sense here
Nah not tracing, you can take a picture and it'll copy it and create a new style on it. I've done this with anime clips to get avatars for my game.
Wild, when you think you're just ranting about a Karen customer and you lose your career, rip. Walked past there booth a few times at AX but couldn't get close enough to notice the questable things, they defentinly had a lot of customers.
As an artist who has to, “work through the ugly sketches” watching people trace really grosses me out. Makes me think twice about following a page before I can really be forsure their art is of their own thoughts. I see one on UA-cam who particularly gets under my skin because she uploads premade assets, like jewels. masks them to fit an eye shape ,and change the hue with some highlights and calls it rendering. So it’s not just outlines anymore. People are faking to be good at rendering, when really what they are doing is more like graphic design. Taking premade assets to make a new image
duuuude, I understand all the frustration and resentment of mentioned artist, but......... is this really so, if you copy the pose and composition or pallet, then the rest of the work you did on YOUR piece with YOUR hands doesn't belong to you?! like. you did zero work??? you didn't render it? you didn't shade it???? THE FUCK D:<
sketching and composing takes a lot of work (for me probably 20-30% of all work done), but complete originality is only the matter when it's work for sale or commission. anything you do for yourself and your enjoyment doesn't have to be 100% original and frankly speaking IT'S FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE. not mentioning the fact that referenced works simply looks better because you avoided mistakes and "looked up for the right answer". as a professional artist I highly despise all those talks about legit art and how you shouldn't take shortcuts in your process otherwise you "steal others efforts". it might be frustrating, but referencing will always be there in art community. you can't assign to yourself that 100% unique pose you just drawn or composition because there 100% same pose/composition somewhere on the internet and you've just reinvented the wheel. congratulations.
again, not undermining the accusations from the video. just voicing my thoughts on "you can reference but you can't post it and actually you stole all the effort". also have a lot to say about tracing and what is not tracing but everyone decides for themselves here.
Thank you for this.
It’s impossible to avoid! There are only so many combinations of a specific pose framed in a way that actually looks nice.
18:56 I think she traces parts of art pieces and then feeds it into AI who finishes it.
Tragic really. She has so much potential and talent and she chooses to stifle it by tracing her art and selling it. I saw her booth at AX and almost bought her Nilou print. Her stuff really is pretty in person. But knowing what I know now, I'm glad I didn't buy anything. I only hope she's able to reflect and grow on this as an artist and person. She has to build her rep back up again and it really isn't going to be easy after something like this.
The arm behind the back looks to me like good anatomy. Whoever drew those green straight lines where the anatomy should be is either being intentionally obtuse or just plain ignorant.
FIANLLY THE TALK ABOUT TRACING VS REFERENCEING. IM SEEING ARTISTS ONLINE SAY TRACING IS OK ?
I really appreciate that you covered this so thoroughly and shared/archived what happened, Katliente. Apologies for the long comment.
I fear with how Yeurei has not YET (at the time of this comment) said anything about refunds and her tracing on Instagram/her store website and other social media, she might be trying to isolate the incident to her Twitter/X audience. This, along with the fact that she deleted another major tweet (a tweet first discussing this situation, which had more overlay evidence in the QRTs) which was attached prior to the tweet shown at 16:11, seems like she may be attempting to cover up what she can instead of taking full responsibility. This is the main issue that's still raising doubt in me. At this point, with the lack of public accountability, one could even begin to speculate whether she has actually contacted ASK or Donald Akron/the artists she's traced/profited from.
I hope that when Yeurei returns/soon, she does address this transparently for all of her accounts, since her customers are undoubtedly spread out on multiple platforms and may not even know of this situation. Certainly she owes at least that much honesty to the people who have given her their time and hard cash. I also hope other artists are not so quick to brush this off, as her friends seem to have done in the past. It's important to hold art thieves or cheats accountable through artifacts such as this video/stream and its comments. Not to harass or hold over these individuals, but to maintain a sense of responsibility/integrity in the art community even online. For Yeurei, I suppose only time will tell how sincere she is about her most recent words. I do wish her well.
I heard she just sent off a few parcels from her shop at this moment so I doubt she's going to address it on her other platform seeing how she hates giving refunds. Her customers deserve to know and at least get an opportunity to ask for refund. This entire thing is extremely shady and I hope her artist friends stop trying to sweep it under the rug.
YO???? I bought artwork before from them and loved their art style/merch that’s crazy I never would’ve expected that from them like they have such a MASSIVE platform why would they ever think they need to do that?
Nothing is more disappointing to find out your favorite artist who you possibly look up to is stealing, tracing or using ai for their work :/
wait what if she traces other artworks for the face and then uses AI applications to finish the rest of the body/clothes… like the arlecchino piece with traced face and weird AI looking clothes
agreed, along with boothills clothing like dawg wher are his top vest and mech abs 😭😭😭
Kinda wild that your commentary is making me empathise with the tracer. Would appreciate if you actually did proper research of the art you review and not thrown out accusations just because you have no object permanence. The piece at 9:30 has a time-lapse, there are no problems with that arm, and even if the anatomy were wacky (and it is in some of the drawings), throwing out AI accusations with no ground is low. Also criticising anatomy... that's rich coming from YOU.
I’m honestly so disappointed in yeurei. She was actually one of the artists I look up to because it’s so hard to make art into a career in Singapore but she somehow did it. When I went to cons, I’d look for her booth. Now, it’s so sad to see one of my inspirations tracing…and FROM ASK??? I’m really disappointed.
If you look carefully.. it is not traced. Just heavily referenced. And only the pose.. eventually we are going to run out of pose framed in a specific way if we are going to call it tracing and call out people for it
i wouldnt say its tracing, but it is copying
8:06 Yeah, I am totally a lazy artist. I am called out. lol xD I love drawing simple things even though I know that additional time will add a lot to the drawing. My current character designs are a doozy so I came here to procrastinate. Guess the universe is telling me to get back to work. lol
"Tracing is never ok" "never post your art studies" and the idea that "bad art"=AI. NO! These are all horrible pieces of advice! Tracing for a general figure or pose, without keeping any of your references original composition is an extremely valuable tool for artists who are trying to learn. And the idea of not posting art studies and sketches, or that all "bad art" is coming from AI, is only perpetuating the toxic cycle of art gatekeeping, and invalidating any artists who have "bad" or "unfinished " art.
Instead the argument should be to not trace every detail of a piece, but to use tracing as a tool to assist with composition pieces that you struggle with, (ie; tracing a hand into your work, or using a model to create a rough sketch of your figure's pose, tracing the complex and intricate details of a character's outfit, etc), and to clearly mark or state when you are copying another artists work as an art study on that particular artist (obviously give credit to the original.).
There is no "right" or "wrong" way to make art, (unless you are stealing someone else's hard work and saying its your own, but that's theft, not art), but there are ethical ways of incorporating other people's work in your own.
Tracing will never be an assistant if you're learning, or in general to create art.
You want to learn from the work of other artists? Break down their work and construct sketches using shapes/gestures. Same applies to anything you use as a reference. But tracing gives you nothing, and artists, please, don't fool yourself into this pathetic mentality
@@dan1elr*When you only read the first sentence and jump to conclusions*
I get why some people will think that way, but there are instances where tracing, using stencils, incorporating other people's works into your own *is* a useful tool and something you should do. I hate the mentality of "you have to learn the basics before you branch out" or "learn the rules before you break them", it should instead be, "learn what is important to you and your particular artistic direction" and "learn the rules as you break them in purposeful and meaningful ways"
Art is not a concrete science, and it never will be. Those who say otherwise aren't artists, they're critics. And I've never had the time or care to listen to a person bastardize someone else's life work and passions.
Also, your comment makes me thing that you... Just... Did not understand what I was saying at all. Just... Stop telling other people that they aren't allowed to do art because they "aren't good enough". Stop perpetuating this toxic cycle.
@@Amber_Scarlet Well, now from reading your reply I can clearly say that you *do not* understand what my comment states, as well as the point of the video.
First of all, I have *not* jumped to conclusions, I've clearly read your comment multiple times before posting mine. Just because I mentioned that "tracing is not art", doesn't mean it's a rough conclusion. In fact, tracing is not art, and that's why professional artists and artists who respect themselves will never *post* that work.
And you are jumping out of the conversation by mentioning stencils, which, well, you really mentioned stencils...? How does that even relate to this? We can use a circled stencil to create the cranium of the head, and later apply detail. That's totally normal. And in fact, do use stencils if you need help with shapes, never seen problems with that.
Furthermore, you do *have* to learn the basics before you branch out" and you do *have* to "learn the rules before you break them". Reason? It's simple. In order for you to "learn what is important to you and your particular artistic direction", you *have* to know the basics. That's because art is not a concrete but science. Apart from the feelings it has, it also has logic involved. *How can you expand in a field without knowing what the field is based on?*
One thing too: if you wouldn't have time to care, you wouldn't post the main comment and a reply to my comment.
*Subsequently, I have never said that people aren't allowed to do art because they "aren't good enough".* You made this out of air and it was ignorant of you to do so.
You think it's a toxic cycle? Well, did you think about those whose art gets stolen and published by others claiming the "owners" title? Genuinely, how is that okay and morally right? The only word that applies here is *pathetic.*
*The actual conclusion is: trace whatever you want and how you want, and if you somehow learn from that, well, sure. However, if you decide to post that, don't try and claim that the work is yours, you have not created it, and don't be surprised if you see negativity towards you.*
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@@dan1elr You're just wrong and some random person on youtube. People that have been doing this for years, the FUCKING MASTERS have been doing this for years.
This video floored me. There's a huge community of artists that really get extremely cartoonishly toxic towards people who create differently?
Focus on your fucking art, when did people start gatekeeping art to this extent. It's fucking disgusting and literally, I'm sorry I hope none of these artists see success for their work. They don't deserve it. Art is about expression. The moment you start trying to police how people express themselves, honestly go fuck yourself.
@@JJo1792 People have been doing what for years? Tracing? I think people have been studying anatomy throughout the last hundreds of years. Tracing has never been a "learning process", rather an efficient tool for quick transferring. These are the actual masters and they are the ones to deserve the title of an Artist, not your crappy traced so called "artworks" made by ignorant people.
Nobody gives a damn f*ck about these people, until they start to steal artworks. That's the only and only issue, a very reasonable issue. If you can't respect the art of others, then *you* should be the one to leave this community.
14:55 So 'Artists' are claiming ownership of someone looking upwards now? It's Anime, everyone looks the exact same unless it's Ghibli
It’s not the pose itself. It’s the fact that the lines are identical.
To be fair - I can reference to the point it is a near 1:1 trace. Not traced but so accurate the lines match up exactly for about 85% of the entire drawing. Might actually film myself doing this some day and just overlay it afterwards. That said, this is certainly tracing
in every other creative facets, this would be fine. artists just love playing the victim, and feeling like victims.
thats crazy bc i bought art from her at dokomi and the amount of people queueing for her was huge. she made big income i can tell by the amount of customers and instant sold outs she had
Her booth at AnimeNYC had a line crossing throughout the artist alley.
Staff actually had to come assist the line as it snaked across the pathways.