I think the pentagram is literal magic -- an ancient art that was supposed to be locked away from all but the highest authority along with the void century. And if so, it might mean the people of Wano referring to devil fruit powers as sorcery was foreshadowing.
@@JoyBoyTheoriesmy thought is that devil fruits are falsely named, just as celestial dragons call themselves gods. Maybe they are the true devils and demons, and dfs are godfruits ...but the winner gets to tell the history and the devils won. Fruits may have been invented to combat such a evil. Or they could just be demon devil fruits. But still funny we keep seeing the god/devil roles swapped between both our side and the nobles.
@herbertmeier9695magic curcles were shown before. Remember the island where brook landed. They had the same magic circle like the goroseis have in their room. It existed before bur we thought it was a gag
The dialogue at the end of the chapter and Bonneys reaction to seeing Saturn strongly suggest that Saturn was the one that ordered Vegapunk to destroy Kuma's mind.
Yeah but the question why kuma. Why is it so important to experiment on him. What so special about him. Is he related to old void? Was he a cyborg from the beginning? Why are WG is so invested in kuma????!
I think Saturn must be strong based on the reactions of Zoro, Luffy, Kizaru and Lucci when he enters the battle field. Plus he has this cloud-like ribbon thingy suggesting an awakened devil fruit. My guess is that he easily heals or shrugs of being stabbed by Bonney just to flex and intimidate a little bit. It would be hilareous though of it turns out he’s weak.
@@MikiavelliprodRC was defeated by Roger And Garp before Roger went for the one piece so probably the WG and Imu will be the final thing since they created the grand line and flooded the world probably... so the one piece has to do with them
@@Adoumoui I don't think so. like with the previous God Enel it was a fruit in the end. the 5 elders are at the end the "pirate crew" of Imu their "captain".
he might be actually down (for now at least)...remember that non-zoans aren't nearly as tanky and we've only seen Kaido take this kind of damage so far. Kaido shouldn't be viewed as the baseline in terms of top-tier tankyness but rather the absolute pinnacle in that aspect
@AgeofJP I do think that top-tiers don't one-tap each other at this point. It hurts, but I do think Kiz gets up albeit heavily dmged. Maybe need some rest while Saturn handles things (he could be ordered to stand down)
@@SrMissileMonkey I'm not counting on him being down, but I do really hope so...so far into the fight it's hardly a one-tap. But mainly because it would make Luffy look really bad if Kizaru get's up before Luffy reinvigorates his strenght and it would make Luffy look really good if he doesn't...and if he takes longer to get up then I would count their fight so far as a W for Luffy. I just really want that Also Kizaru's thoughts of "This is...bad...!" would be really really cool...like "I just made a MAJOR mistake by allowing that to hit me!"
@@AgeofJP why would it look bad? They're both top tiers, Luffy is already showing his prowess by matching Kizaru in the first place. Sure he's no Kaido, but no one is and Borsalino is Top Tier in his own way by being light. In terms of what has been shown, (cause you're right a lot of it was off-screened) They both got licks on each other with Kiz slashing G5 last chapter, and Luffy, a starry punch this chapter. I say them being even, in a fight that had both parties with objectives that wasn't "beat the other guy", is about what I expected and this double KO of sorts (Luffy punching Bors into a building and Bors likely out-lasting G5 thus knocking Luffy out by time-out) signals the end of their fight as Saturn (and the plot) takes the stage. End of a fight in which both parties' objectives have failed: Vegapunk is still alive and on the island.
@@SrMissileMonkey It will look bad because admiral wankers would use this as an excuse to put Luffy and Kaido down. Ironically, "Stargun" looks like the move Kaido tanked and I doubt is even Bajarang Gun level.
I like that you brought up Sabaody and the cavalier attitudes the Straw Hats have had this arc. Gives me hope for an inversion of that moment for them. NONE of them have forgotten the feeling of that defeat. It would be incredible to see them, not serious per se, but responding to the feeling of dread and showing up in the ways they wished they could during Sabaody
About Kizaru's awakening...I've theorized for a long time now that all the admirals have always used their awakened powers but just didn't say so (kinda like haki was used in many cases before it was introduced to the viewers without directly mentioning it). That they mastered their DFs to a point where they can just utilize it to it's full potential and seemingly without the drawbacks (kinda like Doflamingo and Katakuri did...they didn't use lifespan or had cooldowns). Some of the stronger techniques we've seen from pretty much every admiral could have been awakened powers all along. Aokiji is the best example for it, that his regular fruit allows him and the things he touches to turn into ice and that when he froze a whole section of the ocean or Whitebeards tidal waves those were feats he can only do since his awakening. For Kizaru it could be the light-clones, maybe even the Yata-No-Kagami where he travels along the light, for Fujitora it could be the power to summon meteors and/or that space warp move he did against Luffy and for Ryokugyu it could be when he creates a whole forest in a desert (this one's a stretch, but he had the least screentime). For Akainu I'm not sure if any move he showed would need awakening, but definetly what remained on Punk Hazard. That being said, I'm not sure about any of this but this would firmly explain the more ridiculous feats shown by admirals, it's just not sitting right with me that merely the base Ice-Ice Fruit can freeze tens of km² of ocean...and in Fujitora's case, what would you expect his awakening to do? Bring down one of the friggin moons every time, in which case his limitation wouldn't be lifespan or cooldown but only being able to use it 6 times in total
It seems that the awakened form is unique to Zoans.. Although we do not see it with Kaido except for the cloud thingy.. Other types have it but have no change in their appearance, just a higher level of DF mastery..
I don't know that logias have devil's fruit awakenings...but if they do, then remember that Akainu can call down magma rocks from the heavens. That should be a devil's fruit awakening ability.
@@shabba00021327 he didn't call them down Fujitora-style...he himself shot dozens of magma balls from his hands, through the clouds into the sky and shortly after they came raining back down
So I don't know if this has been said before, but what I do find interesting is Oda keeps teasing (or outright just saying) that there's something else going on with zoan devil fruits, specially awakened. It seems that there's something more to it, like the soul of the devil fruit manifests in a way. In impel down we had the two awakened zoan users who just lost control, then when Luffy transformed against Kaido, Kaidi kept asking "who are you?" As if Luffy wasn't himself, the Gorosei saying that zoan devil fruits have a "will of their own" now Saint Jay said "ah the surface world, it's been a long time" as if he didn't just travel through sea to get there or lived in the surface world, I'm assuming that wasn't him in that line, but the soul of his devil fruit. I don't know but it seems like when awakened there's no longer one soul at play, but two, who knows? It might even be connected with the whole Blackbeard being more than one person theory.
Man, all I want to know is where my main girl Robin at. Surely she would not want to miss Saturn's arrival. And this would fuel her vengeance because literal demons ordered the destruction of the "demons" of Ohara.
I have a theory that the Bonnie we know is a clone of Kumas dead daughter, which lead Kuma to undergo the surgery. I know it can be read as nothing, but when Vegapunk called Bonnie a little girl, it struck me how several important people call her young. Kizaru making a joke about how fast kids grow nowadays. Obviously some interplay with her fruit. Stussy being a clone kind of came out of nowhere, as if to plant the seed for the main reveal about bonnie. Bonnie herself remarked how her father would never leave her. I know in real life, that type of talk doesnt mean much, but in anime, those types of tropes about how a character would never do something, or never not leave a specific item so it must mean theyre kidnapped or something, often are hints to what really happened. At first i thought Kuma didnt know about the clone, and when she was revealed to him, thats when his primal urge to protect her kicked in and he rushed off from teh revolutionary army, crashed into the red line, and is now on his way. But, i dont know how he couldve transferred his daughter's memories to Bonnie and not know about the clone. Bonnie seeing Kumas memories revealed to her Vegapunk wasn't teh enemy, but somehow the Goresei are.
Great review JB! More twists and turns than a roller-coaster. I have no idea what's going to happen and how the SH make it out. At this point I just put my hands in the air, and enjoy the ride. I hope Oda has a big surprise at the end of this egghead.
I like to think that Fujitora knew about “the demons that call themselves gods who reside in the heavens”, and that was one of the “many evils” that caused him to blind himself.
Saturn referring to luffy as NIKA kinda sugests some personal connection with that entity as af if he was devil to god also cloud surrounding saturn is black and luffy is white
I don't think the Straw Hats are care free. They know their strengths and weaknesses. They also know that with each battle they get stronger. And, Oda will never write the Straw Hats losing to the same enemy twice in two different arcs.
I think Luffy will get that uncurable disease-type beat, but Choppers entire purpose is to not let that be lethal; to cure it, so it isn't really gonna be super important I'd bet, although something has to happen relating to it
One thing I found really interesting was the swirling pattern on the gorosei's leg, it reminds me of the haki Big Mum used in Whole Cake Island or the haki pattern on Luffy in gear 4th, so with that and the appearance of black lightning I think we can presume that the gorosei not only have top tier devil fruits but also have top tier haki. This whole situation gives me Sabaody chills, Strawhats are in serious danger!
Unless they can miraculously escape without fighting Saturn, reinforcements for the SH is more needed than we think! So either Kuma, the Iron Giant, the Grand Fleet, Hancock, or Dragon better show up in time!
@@dfile7598 Can’t lie, it’s more wishful thinking tbh but I think Blackbeards coming if not already here. Last time Oda said it was a world changing Event Blackbeard was a main reason for it. I think he’ll do the same here. He wanted to use Koby as a bargaining chip but it won’t work, He needs something bigger. I think he wants Vegapunk but will end up with Saturn instead. Or atleast fuck him up. And BB has his main crew with him rn, nobody is taking his ship and if they do, whoever They are is strong asf. Blackbeard coming. 1095 the 🐐 comes back !!
Thank god that you don't care about powerscaling. It's just so nice to find content creators that are just invest for the story more than who's stronger than who. Personally, Oda is just going to tell the story as he wants to see it.
St.Jay’s entrance was just…whoa. I could hear the “Difficult” ost as I sat surprised…..before having the thought of now we have Fullmetal Piece! (Definitely not Alchemy, I know, but I couldn’t help the thought) What a great time!🤣
I think saturn gets defeated through a collective effort of the top tier straw hats, but it brings them back to reality. Then next time the straw hats fight them (the likely stronger gorosei), we get to see their progress
I also agree Gear 5 is the most powerful thing in the series. He has so far only been shown to lose to logistics (time) and objectives (protecting a target)
Since you mentioned the ushi oni has been known to use poison, I'm making it my headcanon that maybe Saturn's blood in that form is also poisonous. Maybe he lets himself get cut and the blood splashed on his opponents handles the rest. That's one way I could justify Bonney's stab landing. Now watch Oda prove me wrong one week from now 😂
Does G5 have a timelimit? No. Its just stamina. He is exhausted. Awakening takes a lot of power. Does it take away his lifespan? No. Everyone misreads the gear2 life away chipping. It was an observation done by the enemy simply being surprised by Luffy using this first tine seen technique. He simply "ASSUMED" it takes a great toll on his body and thus logically chipping away his lifespan. Kinda like someone taking drugs. Did luffys lifespan got reduced? Yes. But not by the gears. But by Ivankovs drugs. Gear5 aging I geniunely think its a super exaggerated way to show us readers that this is so exhausting he is lumpy and panting. Just like there is no reason for after g3 he gets small. Its just a way to show us readers he isnt used to it.
if manga in general was a kitchen oda would be the main cook cause this man COOKS FIRE EVERY WEEK IN INSANE saturns entrance was wild as fkk no way this dude come with a demonic ritual and one shoted a random just cause he gazed him
Sry there should be no BS and no its fine if it stay like this maybe a few Minutes but not much like 3-5 longer until the end of the Story. People like Kaido had problay Decades to train with their Fruit to get to the Level where they are now. It would be kinda stupid if Luffy could reach this Level already at his Age.
Saw a post regarding the summoning circle Saturn used looking a lot like the summoning circle Brooke showed up in after Kuma scattered the Strawhats in Sabaody. The cultists in the scene were calling for Lord Satan. Theres some evidence that points to the name of Satan being derived from Saturn...maybe they were actually trying to appeal to an alias of Jay Garcia Saturn? This could point to the Gorosei being more less mortal than they appear. Maybe they've existed so long that the mere idea of them has slowly turned into folklore/mythological deities that are only remembered by certain groups.
Garp got stabbed by Captain Morgan. Being powerful in One Piece just means shrugging off anything less then crippling or immediately fatal. Saturn might've rightly or wrongly decided the stab was nothing to worry about.
The biggest question in my book is: is this a devil fruit or something new? I'd say the magic ciricle, but more imprortantly, its design is a red flag. It's a five-pointed star with five 5's. Maybe the Elder Stars are a "bit" older than we expected; forget the void century; maybe these are ancient demons. Primordial beings known as devils.
20:00 - I think Saturn and the elders are battel hardened. There's a high chance that they were present during the ancient mech attack and had to fight it, wouldn't be surprised if Saturn recognizes it if or when it shows up again, might be a good Segway to a flash back of the attack.
I had the impression that them telling the marines they should avert theyir gaze was similar to marco telling his underlings to leave the deck when shanks was visiting whitebeard. I believe he does have some amazing power, so much so that it instantly kills people with weaker wills. Not sure if it's enough to diminish said power. And the fact that he got stabbed might be because his power is mostly devil fruit based, and not exactly haki. I mean, it could also be that he's absurdly old. No ome questions how strong whitebeard is, and when he went into marineford, he got stabbed too.
In this case the Marine next to that one should have also been reked. Nope this seems either be arogance like Fodder is not even allowad to look at us or its because in this case his Form.
Idk about devil fruits. But Gorosei are supposed to represent the old stars or elder planets in mythology. Ie the old gods in most mythologies. Japanese and Greco/Roman used the model of 5 planets representing some sort of element or supernatural power revolving around mother earth/nature. In this case the Mother Nature can be Imu or Umi the sea. Imu's transformed silhouette looked like an Umibosu but the shadow figure reminds me of a wet lady yokai. Could be So saturns pentagram having a 5 in it, the 5th planet in the geocentric model. Ushi oni is also closely related and/or friendly with the wet lady yokai as well. Another Ushi oni thing is if you stare too long they can extract your soul. So his head exploding power is Oda's twist to that as well. Anyone who knows more about yokai plz lemme know what you think the other Gorosei look like I've been looking up yokai since the spoilers came out and these ones are the only ones I think fit so far
Regarding the feeling of defeat in the air, let’s not forget that both Law and Kid were both defeated about 15 chapters ago… Is Oda pulling another Sabaody? It would seem that whereas in the past it was Pacifistas < Sentomaru < Kizaru, now its Pacifistas < Kizaru < Saturn. Very excited to see where this is all going, Oda-sama never disappoints
My predictions: - Kizaru cannot use Awakening because he also needs will power. But how can he have that when he doesn’t want to kill his friend? - I think franky will be sacrificed so he can be repaired and upgraded on Elbaf by Vegapunk - and that is when we get void century lore dump ! - drum beat will bring back luffy and he holds off Garcia before escaping, and maybe bb comes and swoops garciasfruit
I think the fact that the other two supernovae (Kid and Law) were seen loosing in a crazy manner was done on purpose by Oda to have us believe that the strawhats will also lose. But i think he is only baiting us and they will actually find a way out. The golem being alive after the Joyboy drums (after Zunishas reaction on Wano too) is a big thing. It will definitely have an impact on St. Jay Garcia Saturn or be used to fight him, since the 5 elders are actively trying to silence people who talk about the forgotten century and this seems to be a weapon controlled by the literal personification of that century (Ruffy / Nika). So this will be an important chapter in explaining the background of the D, lost century, 5 elders, Ruffys devil fruit etc. - Very excited for it!!!
The reaction of the strong people in the island to Saturn showing up was similar to the monster trio reacting to Zephyr's presence in film Z. I don't think he is Yonko level, but probably close to admiral for Oda if we go by that logic
@@gamesandanime9006 we are definitely about to find out! It just feels like the government having 5 yonko level fighters, plus Imu who I would assume is stronger than a Yonko, the admirals, and God's knights is too much in terms of power
This is such a monumental chapter that opens the floodgates for theories. Saturns df seems like a mix of the Ushi Oni and Tsuchigumo, Tsuchigumo meaning earth spider fits saturn as saturn is respresented by the earth element in the five eastern elements. The Ushi Oni Lore of snatching the souls of those that gaze at it reminds me of Big Mom's Soul Pocus to steal those that fear her lifespan,(Big Mom is more of a Oni than Kaido lol) I think bonney drawing blood on saturn was for dramatic effect to end the chapter on either that or saturn is going to use an ability with his blood, we may be going into kuma's memory flashback next chapter
I’m at 6:43 and already enjoying this review. Totally agree with this point that Luffy relies too much on his DF. But I’m sure that in this case, given the situation he had to go all out to stop his enemies as quickly as possible. Usually his transformations are indeed a last resort. But I am with you on this one, he needs to improve his Haki feats man 😩 Long range coc Haki 💥
My guess is the pentacle is somehow what allows him to step on land other than the redline. Maybe curse of some sort like how Davy Jones could never set foot on land.
If Saturn was really Yonko level, then there wouldn't have been a need for the warlords to begin with. With 3 admirals and 5 yonko level Gorosei, the WG would easily be the most powerful entity in the world. This isn't the say that they're necessarily weak - they did also have a feat of being undamaged from Sabo's Fire Fist, but it just doesn't make sense for them to be among the top tiers.
People saying Saturn is weak cause Bonnie stabbed him seem to forget he was vibing in mary geoise for probably the last 800 years, so he may just be a little rusty.
The amount of things that can happen in this arc is crazy. Kizaru is undecisive and could potentially help the SH crew, Luffy liberating an Admiral of his control would be very fitting. Blackbeard pirates still out there doing something. Kuma could show up out of no where cause he might be looking for Bonney. The big ass robot gonna do something. The seraphim are still here and could be very dangerous if they are freed. Such a crazy compact arc
I'm going to show of part of my more "cultured" side but in the MGE (if you know you know) the ushi oni can regenerate and has miasma in her blood, this with the wikipedia entry of the ushi oni saying they are poisonous could mean that Saturn allowed himself to be stab in order to start dealing with the problem, this would make Bonnie's reckless actions even more detrimental.
Kinda thinking awakings have to do with dying and having the willpower to keep going? He may not have one because he hasn’t been put into that situation. Luffy died , we don’t know how doffy survived that mob but a lot of awakened ppl we know looked to have us near death experiences
So my crazy thought. I remember one video said a theory spread that the gorosei could get their powers from imu when their silhouettes were shown at cobras death. Now Saturn looking like a yokai and coming in a spell circle with the number 5 in it but no devil fruit description in the name box like when anyone else is revealed makes me think this is a given power. I also watched and really like the anime called nura: rise of the yokai clan and all this got me thinking what if imu had some sort of lord of pandemonium type fruit that allowed them to imbue yokai powers to the gorosei as a type of night parade of 100 demons type deal. Just a thought.
I’ve been thinking since Kizaru is light, and light is radiation…Does that mean Kizaru is Vegapunk’s infinite power source??? Also if punk hazard is the result of Devil Fruit awakening, where the environment and weather changed in a region “permanently” I bet Kizaru awakening emits a LOT of light, or even a miniature Star. I’m banking that we’ll see Kizaru awakening and it’ll power the giant robot. Just a little fun theory 🤷♂️
Since saturn emerged from a magic circle his powers might be related to it For example if he recieves damage it is instead diverted to the person incurring it (some kind of dark magic) Just like basil hawkins uses straw powers.
I assume it’s more like exhaustion than time. If we remember what Law and Kid said about their awakenings, it takes a lot of energy, so Luffy is mostly exhausted, but time has a play in that as well 😅
Considering how the mind needs to catch to the fruit, top tiers not necessarily need awakening since their minds don´t go with the fruit complelty. Doffy wanted control over everything, his fruit of strings was awaken Katakuri wanted to protect his familly, his fruit of food was awaken Luccy is a murderer who enjoys the hunt, his fruit of a Jaguar was awaken Jamato was a protector of the country, his fruit of a protective deity was awaken Saturn is an evil POS who considers humans as insects, his fruit of a demonic spider was awaken. Big mom wanted equality, but her fruit is to steal the souls of others for your benefit, so wasn´t awaken Kaido wanted to commit wars and death, but his fruit is an asian dragon, a being of power, but wise, protective and benevolence as well, so wasn´t awaken
I think big mom's mind matches her fruit ability. She is selfish and will take what she wants by force. Her ability is about taking souls and lifespan against people's will. But I believe her body in some has not caught up to her ability. Like kaido said, awakening is when both the mind and body catch up to the ability.
Saturn is still on the ship. He summoned an image and that stab mightve worked more then we think because the copy is nerfed. Also what if instead of having a devil fruit he's a fruit devil made from em
Luffy has always had time limits, it's a running thing look at his fight with Rob Luchi and Bluno from Enis Lobby. At some point he will have to win a fight without his powers, Black Beard is his hard counter he best plan for it. :) This chapters ending has a feeling of, "Now, lets set the bar to it's highest point in terms of WG." The fighting is far from done, we could see the crew get a hint of what the absolute top of the mountain looks like, I would love to see the other straw hats flex at the same time, it's all fun!
It almost doesn’t feel real. The design, the devil fruit power; Saturn just looks so COOL! I can’t believe the gorosei might all have these demonic forms, and the implications of this for the story are just, so COOL imo. Demons and devils and fruits. Idk what they all have in common but Oda is wild and continues to baffle me with the creative decisions he continues to make-that all seem so warranted within the story. He really is the goat.
I have a few points to make. Jewelry Bonney obviously has an age-related devil's fruit. When we saw her in the Eddy, her abilities were likely being nullified, so we saw the real Bonney. Otherwise, she's just using her abilities to keep herself in adult form, similar to what Alveida does to her body. There is no mystery here; no wild theory about her being a clone; no question about how she's really Bartolomew Kuma's daughter; no mystery as to why people who would have known her before the introduction of the Strawhats keep calling her a child. Even her personality and rash decisions show hints of her pubescence. I am unconvinced that the Gorosei are using devil's fruit abilities (especially with the introduction of what appears to be a summoning circle), but I am sold on the yokai idea. I won't put it past the Gorosei that what they're using to transform are not devil's fruits, but rather the origin of devil's fruits. As of now, we have only seen a grand total of two zoans with that cloud surrounding them. No doubt that Luffy's devil's fruit originates from a different source than most other devil's fruits...possibly one of a few progenitors of devil's fruits. When Kaido asked Luffy who he was, he was referring to Joyboy. He was basically asking Luffy if Luffy was Joyboy. He was not referring to some other entity inside Luffy. Luffy confirms by saying he's Luffy (meaning that Luffy, not some spirit, is in control). When Jay "Saturn" Garcia makes the comment that he hasn't surfaced in a while, I strongly suspect he's referring to himself in the yokai form we see him as, not that he's saying it's been a long time since he's come on land (outside of the holy land). Also, I don't think he's referring to some other personality or spirit in himself. What the strong characters react to is not referred to as haki, but rather some kind of dark or disturbing force. The only reason "Saturn" transformed was to stop the Pacifistas from attacking. Notice it's in this form that his voice echoes for all to hear. He did not transform to battle, so he had no reason to put up his guard. This does not mean he's not battle-hardened though (they all have weapons in their normal forms, and showed no hesitation in attacking Sabo; also at least one of them has a visible scar); even Whitebeard was taken by surprise, conqueror's haki and all. "Saturn's" stabbing by Bonney was done obviously to display some ability of "Saturn". I think what is to be displayed is in the blood that was shed. Personally, I think Joyboy was a person, not the devil's fruit (or any personality in it). Joyboy is long gone (well, not really; he's posting videos on UA-cam).
egghead is reverse sabaody...prev law and kid got away and strawhats went flying... now its the opposite... they have to go to elbaf they cant lose here there is no timeskip now.... the question is how they gonna defeat/run away from the elder someone has to be left behind the question is who... or who will come to the rescue i don't know shanks is like an island away....or maybe dragon he has to move sometime like its been ages.
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I watch one piece for the story and I have caught up to the current manga chapter by watching your videos and I can’t wait for the next chapter
I think the pentagram is literal magic -- an ancient art that was supposed to be locked away from all but the highest authority along with the void century. And if so, it might mean the people of Wano referring to devil fruit powers as sorcery was foreshadowing.
Honestly, there is a ton of potential here
@@JoyBoyTheoriesmy thought is that devil fruits are falsely named, just as celestial dragons call themselves gods. Maybe they are the true devils and demons, and dfs are godfruits ...but the winner gets to tell the history and the devils won.
Fruits may have been invented to combat such a evil. Or they could just be demon devil fruits. But still funny we keep seeing the god/devil roles swapped between both our side and the nobles.
I tried to come up with an example by thinking of stuff that could have been and the only thing I can think of e the Poneglyths
Reverse mountain as well
@herbertmeier9695magic curcles were shown before. Remember the island where brook landed. They had the same magic circle like the goroseis have in their room. It existed before bur we thought it was a gag
The dialogue at the end of the chapter and Bonneys reaction to seeing Saturn strongly suggest that Saturn was the one that ordered Vegapunk to destroy Kuma's mind.
Which makes Kuma (most likely) flying to egghead, alot more interesting.
U must have the stating the obvious df hahaha
I think Awakened Myth BlkBeard will be stronger than Akainu and the Gorosei
RIP Admiral Agenda
Yeah but the question why kuma. Why is it so important to experiment on him. What so special about him. Is he related to old void? Was he a cyborg from the beginning? Why are WG is so invested in kuma????!
@@khlifaalmsafri5311 He probably just good Mandingo material
I just have to say, it is wildly impressive to me that Oda can continue to blow us away like this with a story that is literally 20+ years
25+ yrs
26 to be exact
It's only jus started
@@Welle-xw6kp nope, 26 years 2 months 17 days to be EXACT if ya wanna go there
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I think Saturn must be strong based on the reactions of Zoro, Luffy, Kizaru and Lucci when he enters the battle field. Plus he has this cloud-like ribbon thingy suggesting an awakened devil fruit. My guess is that he easily heals or shrugs of being stabbed by Bonney just to flex and intimidate a little bit. It would be hilareous though of it turns out he’s weak.
I think Awakened Myth BlkBeard will be stronger than Akainu and the Gorosei
RIP Admiral Agenda
@@MikiavelliprodRC was defeated by Roger And Garp before Roger went for the one piece so probably the WG and Imu will be the final thing since they created the grand line and flooded the world probably... so the one piece has to do with them
Could the Gorosei be.. devils without fruits?
@@Adoumoui I don't think so. like with the previous God Enel it was a fruit in the end. the 5 elders are at the end the "pirate crew" of Imu their "captain".
Don't forget Jinbei he's also feeling Saturn's presence in the chapter alongside Luffy Zoro Kizaru and Lucci
The number 5 could be a reference to Saturn being the 5th planet from Earth in the Geocentric model of the Solar System
Luffy with the "Wanted" Punch was goated once again. Kizaru out of breath too was relieving.
he might be actually down (for now at least)...remember that non-zoans aren't nearly as tanky and we've only seen Kaido take this kind of damage so far. Kaido shouldn't be viewed as the baseline in terms of top-tier tankyness but rather the absolute pinnacle in that aspect
@AgeofJP I do think that top-tiers don't one-tap each other at this point. It hurts, but I do think Kiz gets up albeit heavily dmged. Maybe need some rest while Saturn handles things (he could be ordered to stand down)
@@SrMissileMonkey I'm not counting on him being down, but I do really hope so...so far into the fight it's hardly a one-tap. But mainly because it would make Luffy look really bad if Kizaru get's up before Luffy reinvigorates his strenght and it would make Luffy look really good if he doesn't...and if he takes longer to get up then I would count their fight so far as a W for Luffy. I just really want that
Also Kizaru's thoughts of "This is...bad...!" would be really really cool...like "I just made a MAJOR mistake by allowing that to hit me!"
@@AgeofJP why would it look bad? They're both top tiers, Luffy is already showing his prowess by matching Kizaru in the first place. Sure he's no Kaido, but no one is and Borsalino is Top Tier in his own way by being light. In terms of what has been shown, (cause you're right a lot of it was off-screened) They both got licks on each other with Kiz slashing G5 last chapter, and Luffy, a starry punch this chapter. I say them being even, in a fight that had both parties with objectives that wasn't "beat the other guy", is about what I expected and this double KO of sorts (Luffy punching Bors into a building and Bors likely out-lasting G5 thus knocking Luffy out by time-out) signals the end of their fight as Saturn (and the plot) takes the stage.
End of a fight in which both parties' objectives have failed: Vegapunk is still alive and on the island.
@@SrMissileMonkey It will look bad because admiral wankers would use this as an excuse to put Luffy and Kaido down. Ironically, "Stargun" looks like the move Kaido tanked and I doubt is even Bajarang Gun level.
I like that you brought up Sabaody and the cavalier attitudes the Straw Hats have had this arc. Gives me hope for an inversion of that moment for them. NONE of them have forgotten the feeling of that defeat. It would be incredible to see them, not serious per se, but responding to the feeling of dread and showing up in the ways they wished they could during Sabaody
About Kizaru's awakening...I've theorized for a long time now that all the admirals have always used their awakened powers but just didn't say so (kinda like haki was used in many cases before it was introduced to the viewers without directly mentioning it).
That they mastered their DFs to a point where they can just utilize it to it's full potential and seemingly without the drawbacks (kinda like Doflamingo and Katakuri did...they didn't use lifespan or had cooldowns).
Some of the stronger techniques we've seen from pretty much every admiral could have been awakened powers all along. Aokiji is the best example for it, that his regular fruit allows him and the things he touches to turn into ice and that when he froze a whole section of the ocean or Whitebeards tidal waves those were feats he can only do since his awakening. For Kizaru it could be the light-clones, maybe even the Yata-No-Kagami where he travels along the light, for Fujitora it could be the power to summon meteors and/or that space warp move he did against Luffy and for Ryokugyu it could be when he creates a whole forest in a desert (this one's a stretch, but he had the least screentime). For Akainu I'm not sure if any move he showed would need awakening, but definetly what remained on Punk Hazard.
That being said, I'm not sure about any of this but this would firmly explain the more ridiculous feats shown by admirals, it's just not sitting right with me that merely the base Ice-Ice Fruit can freeze tens of km² of ocean...and in Fujitora's case, what would you expect his awakening to do? Bring down one of the friggin moons every time, in which case his limitation wouldn't be lifespan or cooldown but only being able to use it 6 times in total
It seems that the awakened form is unique to Zoans.. Although we do not see it with Kaido except for the cloud thingy.. Other types have it but have no change in their appearance, just a higher level of DF mastery..
@@chavezmaster1204 Don flamingo was peramicia no?
I don't know that logias have devil's fruit awakenings...but if they do, then remember that Akainu can call down magma rocks from the heavens. That should be a devil's fruit awakening ability.
@@shabba00021327 he didn't call them down Fujitora-style...he himself shot dozens of magma balls from his hands, through the clouds into the sky and shortly after they came raining back down
agree 100%
So I don't know if this has been said before, but what I do find interesting is Oda keeps teasing (or outright just saying) that there's something else going on with zoan devil fruits, specially awakened. It seems that there's something more to it, like the soul of the devil fruit manifests in a way. In impel down we had the two awakened zoan users who just lost control, then when Luffy transformed against Kaido, Kaidi kept asking "who are you?" As if Luffy wasn't himself, the Gorosei saying that zoan devil fruits have a "will of their own" now Saint Jay said "ah the surface world, it's been a long time" as if he didn't just travel through sea to get there or lived in the surface world, I'm assuming that wasn't him in that line, but the soul of his devil fruit.
I don't know but it seems like when awakened there's no longer one soul at play, but two, who knows? It might even be connected with the whole Blackbeard being more than one person theory.
Hey man, I have been watching your videos since 2017. I am excited for 1095!
Joyboy and Tekking are the best for real
thanks for being a part of the crew!
No one correct him on the proper usage of the term "gas"!Just let him keep using it like he's using it 🤣😂
Your thumbnail is so hilarious! I love it!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man, all I want to know is where my main girl Robin at. Surely she would not want to miss Saturn's arrival.
And this would fuel her vengeance because literal demons ordered the destruction of the "demons" of Ohara.
I have a theory that the Bonnie we know is a clone of Kumas dead daughter, which lead Kuma to undergo the surgery. I know it can be read as nothing, but when Vegapunk called Bonnie a little girl, it struck me how several important people call her young. Kizaru making a joke about how fast kids grow nowadays. Obviously some interplay with her fruit. Stussy being a clone kind of came out of nowhere, as if to plant the seed for the main reveal about bonnie. Bonnie herself remarked how her father would never leave her. I know in real life, that type of talk doesnt mean much, but in anime, those types of tropes about how a character would never do something, or never not leave a specific item so it must mean theyre kidnapped or something, often are hints to what really happened. At first i thought Kuma didnt know about the clone, and when she was revealed to him, thats when his primal urge to protect her kicked in and he rushed off from teh revolutionary army, crashed into the red line, and is now on his way. But, i dont know how he couldve transferred his daughter's memories to Bonnie and not know about the clone. Bonnie seeing Kumas memories revealed to her Vegapunk wasn't teh enemy, but somehow the Goresei are.
How he could’ve transferred her memories? Same way he transferred pain to Zoro. He really is a key piece with that ability.
I think Bonnie is canonically 12 or something. She was a kid in the sea water at the beginning of egg head island
Great review JB! More twists and turns than a roller-coaster. I have no idea what's going to happen and how the SH make it out. At this point I just put my hands in the air, and enjoy the ride. I hope Oda has a big surprise at the end of this egghead.
What Bonney did to the fodders in this chapter reminds me of Paku from HxH. Bonney's DF power is mysterious.
I like to think that Fujitora knew about “the demons that call themselves gods who reside in the heavens”, and that was one of the “many evils” that caused him to blind himself.
Saturn referring to luffy as NIKA kinda sugests some personal connection with that entity as af if he was devil to god also cloud surrounding saturn is black and luffy is white
I don't think the Straw Hats are care free. They know their strengths and weaknesses. They also know that with each battle they get stronger. And, Oda will never write the Straw Hats losing to the same enemy twice in two different arcs.
I think Luffy will get that uncurable disease-type beat, but Choppers entire purpose is to not let that be lethal; to cure it, so it isn't really gonna be super important I'd bet, although something has to happen relating to it
One thing I found really interesting was the swirling pattern on the gorosei's leg, it reminds me of the haki Big Mum used in Whole Cake Island or the haki pattern on Luffy in gear 4th, so with that and the appearance of black lightning I think we can presume that the gorosei not only have top tier devil fruits but also have top tier haki. This whole situation gives me Sabaody chills, Strawhats are in serious danger!
Similar to awakened rob lucci too
I literally have not had my jaw hit the floor with such a "what THE FUCK" feeling as when the dudes head just exploded
13:06 nice reference
Unless they can miraculously escape without fighting Saturn, reinforcements for the SH is more needed than we think! So either Kuma, the Iron Giant, the Grand Fleet, Hancock, or Dragon better show up in time!
I think Sanji is about to give him so bump, maybe that’s the huge incident.
My preference would be all 4
BB is here. Saturns bout to wish he never came to the surface 💯
@@jojobravo3829 how do you know it is Blackbeard, and not some who managed to take his ship?
@@dfile7598 Can’t lie, it’s more wishful thinking tbh but I think Blackbeards coming if not already here. Last time Oda said it was a world changing Event Blackbeard was a main reason for it. I think he’ll do the same here. He wanted to use Koby as a bargaining chip but it won’t work, He needs something bigger. I think he wants Vegapunk but will end up with Saturn instead. Or atleast fuck him up. And BB has his main crew with him rn, nobody is taking his ship and if they do, whoever They are is strong asf. Blackbeard coming. 1095 the 🐐 comes back !!
Thank god that you don't care about powerscaling. It's just so nice to find content creators that are just invest for the story more than who's stronger than who. Personally, Oda is just going to tell the story as he wants to see it.
I called it. Everybody saying "nah the five are not fighters" and I was like "Broo, have u watched any shonen before?"
Kizaru's attacks haven't managed to hurt Luffy one bit. Luffy is toying with Kizaru. Luffy needs a good reason to actually beat someone.
St.Jay’s entrance was just…whoa. I could hear the “Difficult” ost as I sat surprised…..before having the thought of now we have Fullmetal Piece! (Definitely not Alchemy, I know, but I couldn’t help the thought) What a great time!🤣
I think saturn gets defeated through a collective effort of the top tier straw hats, but it brings them back to reality. Then next time the straw hats fight them (the likely stronger gorosei), we get to see their progress
Blackbeard here for that spider booty
I also agree Gear 5 is the most powerful thing in the series. He has so far only been shown to lose to logistics (time) and objectives (protecting a target)
Also it depends on luffy’s imagination so it’s a really inconsistent power.
I think Awakened Myth BlkBeard will be stronger than Akainu and the Gorosei
RIP Admiral Agenda 😊
@@Mikiavelliprodmy dude your posting this on every one piece comment chill out
@@agux0 Admiral Stan Relax
@@Mikiavelliprod people like you are the reason people dislike manga so much. and one piece on top of it. smh
Since you mentioned the ushi oni has been known to use poison, I'm making it my headcanon that maybe Saturn's blood in that form is also poisonous. Maybe he lets himself get cut and the blood splashed on his opponents handles the rest. That's one way I could justify Bonney's stab landing. Now watch Oda prove me wrong one week from now 😂
im starting to think that from what vegapunks theory is on devil fruit (dreamed,desired,hope) that it can also be (nightmares and hate/vengeance )
Allowing Bonney to stab him is a good way to show how powerful he is. That he didn't even care to react
Just gonna bump this for later this week on how perfectly this comment aged
It’s almost like when white beard was strapped by squart
"I'm afraid I've got a job to do and I cant finish it if WE keep playing around." Kizaru basically admits that he's messing around.
Now I understand why St Saturn needs a cane. He used to walk with 8 legs, so when he became human, he missed that extra leg.
underrated joke lmao
Bonney stabbing an elder was overshadowed for me by seeing a MAGIC CIRCLE appearing in one piece after a thousand chapters.
What happened to the artist that usually does the background/thumbnail of the vids?
Does G5 have a timelimit?
No. Its just stamina. He is exhausted. Awakening takes a lot of power.
Does it take away his lifespan? No.
Everyone misreads the gear2 life away chipping. It was an observation done by the enemy simply being surprised by Luffy using this first tine seen technique. He simply "ASSUMED" it takes a great toll on his body and thus logically chipping away his lifespan.
Kinda like someone taking drugs.
Did luffys lifespan got reduced? Yes. But not by the gears. But by Ivankovs drugs.
Gear5 aging I geniunely think its a super exaggerated way to show us readers that this is so exhausting he is lumpy and panting.
Just like there is no reason for after g3 he gets small. Its just a way to show us readers he isnt used to it.
if manga in general was a kitchen oda would be the main cook cause this man COOKS FIRE EVERY WEEK IN INSANE saturns entrance was wild as fkk no way this dude come with a demonic ritual and one shoted a random just cause he gazed him
Luffy just needs more of Sanji's "Attack cuisine" to build up his overall stamina more so he can fight at his peak(Gear 5) longer.
Sry there should be no BS and no its fine if it stay like this maybe a few Minutes but not much like 3-5 longer until the end of the Story. People like Kaido had problay Decades to train with their Fruit to get to the Level where they are now. It would be kinda stupid if Luffy could reach this Level already at his Age.
Where is our boy Caribou hiding at?
Saw a post regarding the summoning circle Saturn used looking a lot like the summoning circle Brooke showed up in after Kuma scattered the Strawhats in Sabaody. The cultists in the scene were calling for Lord Satan. Theres some evidence that points to the name of Satan being derived from Saturn...maybe they were actually trying to appeal to an alias of Jay Garcia Saturn? This could point to the Gorosei being more less mortal than they appear. Maybe they've existed so long that the mere idea of them has slowly turned into folklore/mythological deities that are only remembered by certain groups.
Garp got stabbed by Captain Morgan. Being powerful in One Piece just means shrugging off anything less then crippling or immediately fatal.
Saturn might've rightly or wrongly decided the stab was nothing to worry about.
No more Mihawk as Zoro’s final battle. Definitely Ghandi Gorosei now.
Imagine thinking anyone can take a gorosei one on one 😂😂 kizaru even was shook. Come on now guy
Mihawk and Zoro vs Gorosei for sure
The biggest question in my book is: is this a devil fruit or something new?
I'd say the magic ciricle, but more imprortantly, its design is a red flag. It's a five-pointed star with five 5's. Maybe the Elder Stars are a "bit" older than we expected; forget the void century; maybe these are ancient demons. Primordial beings known as devils.
That's what I'm thinking too
and what if the devil fruits are actually anti devil fruits?
20:00 - I think Saturn and the elders are battel hardened. There's a high chance that they were present during the ancient mech attack and had to fight it, wouldn't be surprised if Saturn recognizes it if or when it shows up again, might be a good Segway to a flash back of the attack.
Saturn Looks like Neka style but dark mode i think how godly powers look
I agree on about everything you said in this video Salute JB 👏🏻
Saturn's beard looking a lot like the first panel when Luffy went gear five and started melting.
Outstanding Soldier
I was half asleep reading this at 5am at work and this chapter woke me up more than an energy drink lol
Remember when vegapunk Shaka called Dragon informing him of assassins coming to kill him ?
It's a great time for Dragon to flex
I had the impression that them telling the marines they should avert theyir gaze was similar to marco telling his underlings to leave the deck when shanks was visiting whitebeard. I believe he does have some amazing power, so much so that it instantly kills people with weaker wills. Not sure if it's enough to diminish said power. And the fact that he got stabbed might be because his power is mostly devil fruit based, and not exactly haki.
I mean, it could also be that he's absurdly old. No ome questions how strong whitebeard is, and when he went into marineford, he got stabbed too.
I love it, Shanks is the embodient of full powered Haki use and Saturn being the perfect opposite on the DF side.
In this case the Marine next to that one should have also been reked. Nope this seems either be arogance like Fodder is not even allowad to look at us or its because in this case his Form.
The venom thing will probably be related to the fact that Saturn specializes in defense weapons, so I’m assuming like some sort of bio weapons.
Idk about devil fruits. But Gorosei are supposed to represent the old stars or elder planets in mythology. Ie the old gods in most mythologies. Japanese and Greco/Roman used the model of 5 planets representing some sort of element or supernatural power revolving around mother earth/nature. In this case the Mother Nature can be Imu or Umi the sea. Imu's transformed silhouette looked like an Umibosu but the shadow figure reminds me of a wet lady yokai. Could be So saturns pentagram having a 5 in it, the 5th planet in the geocentric model. Ushi oni is also closely related and/or friendly with the wet lady yokai as well.
Another Ushi oni thing is if you stare too long they can extract your soul. So his head exploding power is Oda's twist to that as well.
Anyone who knows more about yokai plz lemme know what you think the other Gorosei look like I've been looking up yokai since the spoilers came out and these ones are the only ones I think fit so far
Regarding the feeling of defeat in the air, let’s not forget that both Law and Kid were both defeated about 15 chapters ago… Is Oda pulling another Sabaody? It would seem that whereas in the past it was Pacifistas < Sentomaru < Kizaru, now its Pacifistas < Kizaru < Saturn.
Very excited to see where this is all going, Oda-sama never disappoints
The forming from the ground seems like the zoan awakening, where you can change the environment
My predictions:
- Kizaru cannot use Awakening because he also needs will power. But how can he have that when he doesn’t want to kill his friend?
- I think franky will be sacrificed so he can be repaired and upgraded on Elbaf by Vegapunk - and that is when we get void century lore dump !
- drum beat will bring back luffy and he holds off Garcia before escaping, and maybe bb comes and swoops garciasfruit
I think the fact that the other two supernovae (Kid and Law) were seen loosing in a crazy manner was done on purpose by Oda to have us believe that the strawhats will also lose. But i think he is only baiting us and they will actually find a way out. The golem being alive after the Joyboy drums (after Zunishas reaction on Wano too) is a big thing. It will definitely have an impact on St. Jay Garcia Saturn or be used to fight him, since the 5 elders are actively trying to silence people who talk about the forgotten century and this seems to be a weapon controlled by the literal personification of that century (Ruffy / Nika).
So this will be an important chapter in explaining the background of the D, lost century, 5 elders, Ruffys devil fruit etc. - Very excited for it!!!
imu’s fruit prediction: Yokai yokai no mi legendary model Umibozu
I just want to mention that we still have the "awaken robot" thing as a Chekhov's gun (and Franky is on the main stage)
The reason he got stabbed by Bonney is so we'll see next chapter how it did no damage to sort of start to showcase how durable he is.
The reaction of the strong people in the island to Saturn showing up was similar to the monster trio reacting to Zephyr's presence in film Z. I don't think he is Yonko level, but probably close to admiral for Oda if we go by that logic
Gorosie are way more powerful than Yonko, dudes rules all over the world for a reason.....
@@gamesandanime9006 we are definitely about to find out! It just feels like the government having 5 yonko level fighters, plus Imu who I would assume is stronger than a Yonko, the admirals, and God's knights is too much in terms of power
This is such a monumental chapter that opens the floodgates for theories.
Saturns df seems like a mix of the Ushi Oni and Tsuchigumo, Tsuchigumo meaning earth spider fits saturn as saturn is respresented by the earth element in the five eastern elements. The Ushi Oni Lore of snatching the souls of those that gaze at it reminds me of Big Mom's Soul Pocus to steal those that fear her lifespan,(Big Mom is more of a Oni than Kaido lol)
I think bonney drawing blood on saturn was for dramatic effect to end the chapter on either that or saturn is going to use an ability with his blood, we may be going into kuma's memory flashback next chapter
"too strong too soon" 25 years in the anime 🤣🤣🤣
I’m at 6:43 and already enjoying this review. Totally agree with this point that Luffy relies too much on his DF. But I’m sure that in this case, given the situation he had to go all out to stop his enemies as quickly as possible. Usually his transformations are indeed a last resort. But I am with you on this one, he needs to improve his Haki feats man 😩
Long range coc Haki 💥
The motives of the black thing in the spider lower body part of Saint Saturn looks strangly like luffy gear 4 haki motives.
My guess is the pentacle is somehow what allows him to step on land other than the redline. Maybe curse of some sort like how Davy Jones could never set foot on land.
That thumbnail goes hard
If Saturn was really Yonko level, then there wouldn't have been a need for the warlords to begin with. With 3 admirals and 5 yonko level Gorosei, the WG would easily be the most powerful entity in the world.
This isn't the say that they're necessarily weak - they did also have a feat of being undamaged from Sabo's Fire Fist, but it just doesn't make sense for them to be among the top tiers.
The WG is literally the most powerful entities in one piece and are final villains. What the hell you're talking about.
The way Saturn said " Nika " To himself implying alot imo
With Saturn being on Egghead in this form makes what the BB pirates doing at egghead more interesting going forward.
I'll just say that most of the time, you don't notice mosquito until it bites you. That's probably why Bonney was able to stab spidemon guy.
People saying Saturn is weak cause Bonnie stabbed him seem to forget he was vibing in mary geoise for probably the last 800 years, so he may just be a little rusty.
The amount of things that can happen in this arc is crazy. Kizaru is undecisive and could potentially help the SH crew, Luffy liberating an Admiral of his control would be very fitting. Blackbeard pirates still out there doing something. Kuma could show up out of no where cause he might be looking for Bonney. The big ass robot gonna do something. The seraphim are still here and could be very dangerous if they are freed. Such a crazy compact arc
I feel like Saturn is just old I think he hasn’t had to fight in so long that Bonney actually got him off guard…
I'm going to show of part of my more "cultured" side but in the MGE (if you know you know) the ushi oni can regenerate and has miasma in her blood, this with the wikipedia entry of the ushi oni saying they are poisonous could mean that Saturn allowed himself to be stab in order to start dealing with the problem, this would make Bonnie's reckless actions even more detrimental.
Kinda thinking awakings have to do with dying and having the willpower to keep going? He may not have one because he hasn’t been put into that situation. Luffy died , we don’t know how doffy survived that mob but a lot of awakened ppl we know looked to have us near death experiences
the pentagram was fking epiccccc
So my crazy thought. I remember one video said a theory spread that the gorosei could get their powers from imu when their silhouettes were shown at cobras death. Now Saturn looking like a yokai and coming in a spell circle with the number 5 in it but no devil fruit description in the name box like when anyone else is revealed makes me think this is a given power. I also watched and really like the anime called nura: rise of the yokai clan and all this got me thinking what if imu had some sort of lord of pandemonium type fruit that allowed them to imbue yokai powers to the gorosei as a type of night parade of 100 demons type deal. Just a thought.
I’ve been thinking since Kizaru is light, and light is radiation…Does that mean Kizaru is Vegapunk’s infinite power source??? Also if punk hazard is the result of Devil Fruit awakening, where the environment and weather changed in a region “permanently” I bet Kizaru awakening emits a LOT of light, or even a miniature Star. I’m banking that we’ll see Kizaru awakening and it’ll power the giant robot. Just a little fun theory 🤷♂️
Since saturn emerged from a magic circle his powers might be related to it
For example if he recieves damage it is instead diverted to the person incurring it (some kind of dark magic) Just like basil hawkins uses straw powers.
That has been my point all along. You don't need the gears to surpass everyone; keep the haki tiers above everyone else.
Bonny might be Caterina Devon in this pannel, i was checking the swords unfortunately not the same as Devon cares around but still an possibility.
Another thing to consider is the chapter that Sabo was banged up by them. Sabo isn’t weak and is logia so they may have some strength and haki.
Dragon pullin up to save his son again
Let's not forgot the theory that the Gorosei have a betrayer among them...imagine if it was Saturn.
I assume it’s more like exhaustion than time. If we remember what Law and Kid said about their awakenings, it takes a lot of energy, so Luffy is mostly exhausted, but time has a play in that as well 😅
Damn and he wasn’t the only one to get one shot!?! And they really hyped up Saturn just to have that happen to him
Why's Thumbnail Jay Garcia going gear second?😂😂😂
Considering how the mind needs to catch to the fruit, top tiers not necessarily need awakening since their minds don´t go with the fruit complelty.
Doffy wanted control over everything, his fruit of strings was awaken
Katakuri wanted to protect his familly, his fruit of food was awaken
Luccy is a murderer who enjoys the hunt, his fruit of a Jaguar was awaken
Jamato was a protector of the country, his fruit of a protective deity was awaken
Saturn is an evil POS who considers humans as insects, his fruit of a demonic spider was awaken.
Big mom wanted equality, but her fruit is to steal the souls of others for your benefit, so wasn´t awaken
Kaido wanted to commit wars and death, but his fruit is an asian dragon, a being of power, but wise, protective and benevolence as well, so wasn´t awaken
I think big mom's mind matches her fruit ability. She is selfish and will take what she wants by force. Her ability is about taking souls and lifespan against people's will. But I believe her body in some has not caught up to her ability. Like kaido said, awakening is when both the mind and body catch up to the ability.
Saturn is still on the ship. He summoned an image and that stab mightve worked more then we think because the copy is nerfed. Also what if instead of having a devil fruit he's a fruit devil made from em
Luffy has always had time limits, it's a running thing look at his fight with Rob Luchi and Bluno from Enis Lobby. At some point he will have to win a fight without his powers, Black Beard is his hard counter he best plan for it. :) This chapters ending has a feeling of, "Now, lets set the bar to it's highest point in terms of WG." The fighting is far from done, we could see the crew get a hint of what the absolute top of the mountain looks like, I would love to see the other straw hats flex at the same time, it's all fun!
It almost doesn’t feel real. The design, the devil fruit power; Saturn just looks so COOL! I can’t believe the gorosei might all have these demonic forms, and the implications of this for the story are just, so COOL imo. Demons and devils and fruits. Idk what they all have in common but Oda is wild and continues to baffle me with the creative decisions he continues to make-that all seem so warranted within the story. He really is the goat.
It's surely not a devil fruit.
Who knows honestly
Very bold statement to call base Luffy an underdog
I have a few points to make.
Jewelry Bonney obviously has an age-related devil's fruit. When we saw her in the Eddy, her abilities were likely being nullified, so we saw the real Bonney. Otherwise, she's just using her abilities to keep herself in adult form, similar to what Alveida does to her body. There is no mystery here; no wild theory about her being a clone; no question about how she's really Bartolomew Kuma's daughter; no mystery as to why people who would have known her before the introduction of the Strawhats keep calling her a child. Even her personality and rash decisions show hints of her pubescence.
I am unconvinced that the Gorosei are using devil's fruit abilities (especially with the introduction of what appears to be a summoning circle), but I am sold on the yokai idea. I won't put it past the Gorosei that what they're using to transform are not devil's fruits, but rather the origin of devil's fruits.
As of now, we have only seen a grand total of two zoans with that cloud surrounding them. No doubt that Luffy's devil's fruit originates from a different source than most other devil's fruits...possibly one of a few progenitors of devil's fruits.
When Kaido asked Luffy who he was, he was referring to Joyboy. He was basically asking Luffy if Luffy was Joyboy. He was not referring to some other entity inside Luffy. Luffy confirms by saying he's Luffy (meaning that Luffy, not some spirit, is in control).
When Jay "Saturn" Garcia makes the comment that he hasn't surfaced in a while, I strongly suspect he's referring to himself in the yokai form we see him as, not that he's saying it's been a long time since he's come on land (outside of the holy land). Also, I don't think he's referring to some other personality or spirit in himself.
What the strong characters react to is not referred to as haki, but rather some kind of dark or disturbing force.
The only reason "Saturn" transformed was to stop the Pacifistas from attacking. Notice it's in this form that his voice echoes for all to hear. He did not transform to battle, so he had no reason to put up his guard. This does not mean he's not battle-hardened though (they all have weapons in their normal forms, and showed no hesitation in attacking Sabo; also at least one of them has a visible scar); even Whitebeard was taken by surprise, conqueror's haki and all.
"Saturn's" stabbing by Bonney was done obviously to display some ability of "Saturn". I think what is to be displayed is in the blood that was shed.
Personally, I think Joyboy was a person, not the devil's fruit (or any personality in it). Joyboy is long gone (well, not really; he's posting videos on UA-cam).
egghead is reverse sabaody...prev law and kid got away and strawhats went flying... now its the opposite... they have to go to elbaf they cant lose here there is no timeskip now.... the question is how they gonna defeat/run away from the elder someone has to be left behind the question is who... or who will come to the rescue i don't know shanks is like an island away....or maybe dragon he has to move sometime like its been ages.
And then Mr.Gorosei said "I'm going to turn into a spooder now"