Would *you* give up Power Infusion for an interrupt? 🤔 Also 32:55 I was being extra safe with Preservation Evoker ranking due to range limitations especially with pugs but Pres is probably closer to A than B 🔥
@@MadSkillzzTV I would, but my group wouldn't. Most players don't understand the opportunity cost of interrupts. They think: "if we have more damage and healing, we just kill it faster and heal through it".
THANK YOU! for doing a video focusing on healing from a PUGs point of view, vs a pre-made/group ensemble. Been waiting for a video like this for a while, and asking content creators questions that focused on this angle/aspect.
Idk why everyone says shaman has had a bad run lately. When you guys are good at m+ your great in raid. As a rdruid this isn't true. Idk if spirit link is still the best cd in the game. But as a rdruid raid lead I always have to ask the shaman to hold that cd for the group it's so good. Yall deserve some shine in m+ fr fr but in raid when you guys are meta it's total supremacy.
Been shaman player for years when I do play wow…. TWW shaman and the new talents are chefs kiss to me. It looks good. Finally they stop putting shaman on the back burner
I don't understand how people can say resto shamans aren't fantastic. Not only are they fun to play we pump with the healing not even counting our fantastic cooldowns. Our interrupt is the shortest cd in the game I believe and then we have a second and now a third if we want it. I mean the only things we don't have that would be nice are a mass dispel or a battle res. But then we would be gods. lmao I almost hit 3k in mythic+ this season just pugging them, the first season I have ever done mythics on her, and the only reason I didn't is because I stopped doing them. I am older and medicated and that slows me down a bit so I got sick of stressing over it when there is no real motivation to hit 3k. If there was I would have pushed for it but eh. I'll sit at 2921 and keep my sanity and be happy I got that high on my own. lol
How do both priest healing specs in mythic+ have the least utility, arguably least mobility, least self-survivabilty (squishy af ), and also possibly the most undertuned of all the healers? (also even if not undertuned shouldn't they bring more stuff to the group anyways as better class design?) I might be exagerating a bit but good lord throw them a bone please, it feels bad
@@kayn7171 No way you play the game and actually said that about those classes. Go and read up on some of them say warrior and do tell how many other benefits they have that other classes does not have.
Agree with your comments on holy paladin - the recent nerfs seemingly walk back the improvements they made. I hope it still feels strong using holy shock and word.
Been maining Disc this exp and last (kept Druid and shaman fully geared also) tempted to main Druid in war within, getting pretty sick of lack of utility on priest. They should just add a node and make something in class tree baseline. Then shadow tree can modify that node to become silence with 1 point.
I wish they would make Disc priest what it was back in Icecrown. I think they're just trying to make it do too many things. Maybe I'm just getting old.
Keep in mind that in a month(when M+ release) it will all be different, they wont let priest be that weak even shadow is underperforming rn as soon as you see people breaking into 12+ keys, disc priest will rise to the top since everyone will expect and know where all the dmg is coming from
Me continuing to main mistweaver like I have since the first day of MoP. I love fistweaving, but sometimes I do miss the "spawn healing orbs absolutely everywhere" playstyle
Just found out about your channel. Now it is up there for me alongside Growl :) I wanna try healing for the first time on m+ this expansion and I think you two will be great inspiration and source of guides and etcs.
For Druid they NEEEED to follow the same philosophy as Diablo 4's Druid Design. If I use a BEAR ability, it should shift me into Bear form. It would make Druid 500x more fluid to play.
I would love a list that outlines which dungeons require which utilities. I'm a rsham and as an example I always keep poison cleansing totem just because I never know which dungeon will have poison and which won't. When to spec into fear totem etc etc 😊
Great video, been seeing a lot of similar videos lately. And I think yours is the better list. And also closer to what I think too. Shaman’s ability to do mechanics is so important for the beginning of the season. When everyone is learning new talents and new dungeon pools. Having the short kick at range is so soooo strong. And the fact that priests really only have one stop and it requires melee range is bonkers. I would not recommend priest to anyone. Sure the class may have less key binds, and might be more intuitive to do the rotation, but if you’re in a pug and the death bolt volley is gonna kill your team, you just literally have to pray. And then the shaman and Druid key binds are usually situational and not important all the time. You don’t actually need lava burst and the lightning spells until your comfortable with the class. Tremor totem, poison cleansing, AP totem are all niche and only crop up 1-5 times in a dungeon at most. So you have a lot of freedom as resto to add in key binds when you feel like you really need them. Instead of like Hpal or monk where most of the key bind bloat are actually important to the performance of the class.
Just started healing 2 weeks ago. Did a +7 RLP on my resto shaman yesterday night and I interrupted more than the other 4 party members together. Pugsigh*
@@bobbilling1075 I am doing it. The tank pulled multiple packs with the cinderbolt caster and nobody interrupted them. We also had low dps, which meant that these mobs lived for ever. I was pumping oit 260-280k hps and even like that we were dying.
Funnily enough I started playing priest with my lvl 70 boost but with all the time weaver events I made some new classes I agree with u completely I went from Druid and priest as my two mains to holy Pali and resto shaman feels really nice to have chain and plate armor for once I am enjoying heavy DPS and all the asthetics of the healers holy, rain, & nature is why my main 4 characters are all healer classes
Honestly, If you think preservation evoker is under those other specs because of the range, you need to get better at it. It is far closer to resto shaman than the rest of the specs. It would definitely be a lot better than rsham if it had the same utility.
I have played the same healing class since Cata: Resto Druid. And it's not going to change here for me. I don't chase the 'top class' for any tier. It's good to know I may struggle a bit due to the high amount of reactionary damage. But, I adore the spec and most of it's spells are second nature after so many years. No amount of HPS will overcome that deep familiarity and reaction time. However, I do appreciate knowing where I'll rank up among other healers. And I appreciate the insights like heavy Curse/Poison debuffs or knowing there's a lot of reactionary damage spikes.
Ya I've played rdruid since wotlk. All the tricks in raid are great what with the ns into convoke. Also it's hard to convince rdruids to blanket the raid before damage goes out. It's just so counter intuitive to alot of players but it's amazing.
True not many people have a finger to press any of the various instant cast spells that automatically out-HPS any other healer WHILE MOVING and bringing the best raid buff in the game.
RDruid is dog water at xpac launches because it has zero stats. But yeah, if you can roll Rejuv on everyone for Swiftmend, you should be alright. Waking Dream is slept on.
Im a disco priest since SL, now I feel time has come for me to change ... Honestly I don't understand why as priest we don't have any interrupt like other classes, it's insane. Thank you for this video
General question, what is the small holy nova like effect that you have on every heal? Also if they made it possible for hpally to use shield of righteousness through a player that has the bulwark or use crusader strike through a player who has the sword would make that so fun, because it would give you the ability to either spend or generate holypower from range.
I don't mind the reworked Afflicted since it is on party members, I can see it in my UI. The biggest problem was that you had to make UI adjustments just to be able to deal with Afflicted.
Start playing during SL only reason i made rshaman and main it ever since. Can deal with everything kick stun cc. Just wish i could deal with every single dispel and it would be perfect( bleed and disease)
Hi, its been already 2 weeks since you uploaded the video. Love it btw. Can you please tell me in what spot the holy paladin ended for mythic plus? Has nerfs been reverted or is it thrash now? :(
Proactive healers will always be mid to me until blizzard balances that extra difficulty with extra benefit. Make our proactive heals automatically react so we don’t have to be both pro active AND reactive. Especially with druid as they have to shift in and out of forms (which as you mentioned is more difficult now) to react.
"As a holy priest you are kinda like a passenger in a car" Wow, man, you put it so well. My feelings, exactly. I really like the class fantasy of a holy priest, but her toolkit has been shit for ages, and for some reason I do not like Disc.
@@vanguelisk yeah that's been the problem with dispelling for a while now. Wanting a dispel every 8 seconds ontop of pumping healing and adding dps is overloading the healers responsibilities.
I'm gonna be healing on rdruid a lot just because their throughput is gonna be insane in tww. But def not the easiest to use in high keys. They also made farcasting par to catweaving for dps, it regens mana and heals during mark now. Fun class ❤
I think the druid one click macro thing was changed because the one hero tree makes it so you auto shift on using moves. So they nerfed the entire class to make a hero tree work and then they wonder why we dont like the hero trees. Note: my opinion, possibly incorrect.
Great tips. Have always played Holy Paladin but I prefer a ranged variant (with occasional melee) rather than a full on melee build.. it felt great why they have to nerf everything so hard lol. Seems like I will have to learn the Shaman basics
i will be maining resto shaman which i have mained since the end of wotlk with the exception of a few patches (hunter) and most likely also push with my priest as well.
Would you say that if I already ran hpal for 3-4 seasons than that experience outweighs that edge that resto shaman has over paladin right now? Or is it worth it to swap? I am not aiming world first keys but aiming for a title
I find it interesting, as a pugger I find resto druid healing easier than resto shaman, probably because of our set bonus, I feel I have more time to focus on other stuff like interrupt/dmg/cc than healing as druid
started healing on prevoker for the frist time ever this last 2 tier of DF then Mistweaver, Now looking to play Hpal but it's so hard to select when you're trying to find a raid and be viable in m+
Shaman my favorite right now. Mistweaver monk was fun but didn't have as much utility as shaman. I like holy paladin but it was much higher apm then shaman so I lean more towards shaman as my goto.
As long as Hpala doesn't get another nerf, I will be maining Hpala, if they end up nerfing it it will be an uh-oh for me, because Priests are also bad. I got night shifts since this week so am kind of forced to pug since will be around when my friends aren't. I never really played or enjoyed MW and Rshaman, so will likely be one or the other if Hpala get nerfed more since MW looks a lot more fun since DF and Rshaman looks a lot more fun with Hero Talents.
Proactive healers are somewhat dependant on the quality of their groups too. So it's understandaable that they are ranked lower in the context of this video.
i agree, i am done with priests until blizz gets off their asses and gives other healers the spotlight. It's always the same classes at the top and trying to get into keys as a holy priest is miserable. People will roll the S tier healers and get into keys playing like ass, while a well experienced holy priest spends their day waiting for a chance.
I mained resto shaman in dragonflight. Switching to Monk, because the tank I run with is switching from DH to DK. I feel like DK HP drops from 100% to 5% instantly, and shaman can't react fast enough for that. Curious what you think @MadSkillzzTV
Just give priests an interrupt I don't think PI is a big enough thing to have silence not be included in the baseline kit. Shamans have stun, knockup, roots, slows, speedup totems + shortest CD silence. Evokers have insane utiltiy as well Priest has PI and fear and mass dispel
Oracle hpriest for M+ is actually doing nuts dmg and nuts healing while still having ok utility like PI, Reduce defensives, GS for tank... It's literally a sleepy op spec but ppl is following the wrong tier lists.
To put flourish on the same node as photosynthesis is completely mind-boggling, and the person to make that decision should not be allowed to have any further say in any of the specs ever again
Could just overlap the cast time with some totem healing. And once you have enough haste, the cast time really isn't that noticeable if you're quick enough to place it.
Basing a healer off not having blood lust or battle rez.... there's going to be a million other classes in your group with battle rez and bloostlust. Who cares.
I like holy priest for the simplicity and its a fun spec with all those fast casts and instant casts, can do decent dmg in healing downtimes and i enjoyed it all the way through s4 but the lack of an interupt is heavy but i really picked up resto shammy its just a joy for me to play it sooooo much utility, big aoe heals, cloudburst totem is awesome good variety with riptide and chain heal, the health buffs, 12s interupt good crowd control and also decent dmg but it doesnt stop there i could add soo many more reasons why shaman is perfect heal like you got ALOT cds for healing and defensive, a totem that allows ppl that die to ankh which is very useful in some pug situations on bosses ofc you got your own ankh and also great mobility and even bloodlust I played holy priest alot in s4 now at ilvl 525 but damn i handle pulls on my shammy better at lvl 510 pulls that i as holy priest would always respect but resto shammy with all that utility and straight healing power is just broken rn
What is the best addon that tells you when poisons and dispels needed. I assume it's weakauras but I find it overwhelming to set up. Where can I find the best way to set up weakauras for healing or any addon suggested.
17:29 Sad, that Preservation Evoker made it through all of Dragonflight, and not once did Dev Team address the range the limitations that the community has been asking for.
I no lifed pres in pugs during s1 DF, got to maybe 2.8k rating ish. The range really never was an issue. Most ranged dps will listen if you tell them at the start to not be waaaaay out. It’s such a fun class I’d never avoid it because of range.
i 100% agree with your preservation evoker ranking the range limit in pug will get tiring really really quick . yeah you can work around but sometime you will not and you will get mad as hell. i also think their hps is one small nerf away to being 'normal'. prez pump BIG when everything align (group packed/essence pooled right/CD up) but i feel it pump a bit too much to not get looked at and if it's hit with the infamous 'healing -5%' blizzard trademark balancing pattern you are back into the 'meh' zone
You remove the range limit and you need to remove the mobility. I have mained preservation since it came out, first time I play an entire expansion without having alts. I did the keystone master and conqueror every season this expansion and I didn't feel much of a problem. The biggest issue were hunter players that want to shoot the boss from Australia, but they learn quickly if they are over there they're going to be very dead. I like the identity of running and flying around the battle field. I wish people would just learn the class and stop crying about their identity. I've had plenty of fun and I'm looking forward to more next expansion. If you don't like the class, just don't play it, don't ask them to make them the same as every other healer.
@@LexussDaines amen. If players in your group know about what range you operate in, then it is up to them to stick closer together. I also think 1 important thing has been left out here, and that is that Pres needs very litle time drinking and has 2 very good tank externals making you able to keep tanks up easier, allowing you to focus on topping the rest of the party off aswell. The class also has a b res and does significant damage, not to mention the highest HPS, and plays well from being lower geared. Im a happy Evoker main for TWW.
Yeah I think they belong in the A+ tier. Their spot tank healing with golden hour is absolutely insane, and can carry bad tanks easily. I would avoid full range groups however. I also think resto druids don't really bring much in terms of healing capability to an uncoordinated group. I feel like they are ranked high only because Mark of the wild is such a strong buff.
@@CapntSpankey Happy to help! Echo + Reversion is the play if you want to spot heal someone after big damage. Its pretty much an external Death Strike. I'm really excited about the Flameshaper talent that makes your Renewing Blaze heal an ally. Putting that + Time Dialation on a tank will make you both almost invincible for its duration.
@@CapntSpankeystick with pres. it took me a while to click with it, but it’s a blast once you get all the good combos down and understand what to use for different situations. It’s very rewarding skill expression.
The PI answer is just such a cop-out. They already nerfed PI and as you said it isn't going to help people survive. Mass Dispel is not 2 minutes, because again....." over powered". I do not even get where the devs think anything Priest is overpowered :/
I don't care where preservation evoker is ranked. It's a fun and unique spec, yes agree with annoying with the range but so what ? would be nice to have higher range but that doesnt change the fact that evoker is amazing fun to play. Mained all Dragon flight and will keep maining it
The argument that holy priest have PI so they don´t deserve interrupt makes no sense to me. Shadow priest has Power Infusion to dish out AND an interrupt... long cooldown, yeah.. but they have one... sadge :/
Pres evoker NEEDS to have more utility or HPS, they have about 40% of the effective area compared to other healers, or other healers have 350% more area coverage compared to evokers, so if they don't pump, they would not be brought, having Aug get more range is a slap in the face
I get scared of resto shaman because I don't have multiple foot pedals yet (if glydr hits the market, I'm gonna have so many keybinds with my feet it's crazy, so we'll see then) xD
People are so hung up on fistweaving in M+. But my god they are sleeping in caster healing in M+. You pump out so much insane healing numbers so easily you really can push through anything. All your hots spreading automatically and all your hots and heals cleaving on everyone else is obscene especially during Yulon.
People will watch videos like this to figure out which S tier class they need to play so they can clear a +3 that every class was capable of doing and then their class gets nerfed a week after launch.
Would *you* give up Power Infusion for an interrupt? 🤔
Also 32:55 I was being extra safe with Preservation Evoker ranking due to range limitations especially with pugs but Pres is probably closer to A than B 🔥
Yes of course. It also gets rid of all the non-stop bickering in raids over whether XxbigdickdpsxX feels like he deserves PI over the next.
I would give a kidney for silence and shining force !
@@MadSkillzzTV I would, but my group wouldn't. Most players don't understand the opportunity cost of interrupts. They think: "if we have more damage and healing, we just kill it faster and heal through it".
Yes, for sure
Yes - I think every healer should have a ranged interrupt, even if it is on a CD like Evoker's
THANK YOU! for doing a video focusing on healing from a PUGs point of view, vs a pre-made/group ensemble. Been waiting for a video like this for a while, and asking content creators questions that focused on this angle/aspect.
I'm stoked about resto sham which has been my main for 17 years. I was excited before but this just made my night.
My first expansion where i'll be maining shaman in retail.
keen af
Idk why everyone says shaman has had a bad run lately. When you guys are good at m+ your great in raid. As a rdruid this isn't true. Idk if spirit link is still the best cd in the game. But as a rdruid raid lead I always have to ask the shaman to hold that cd for the group it's so good. Yall deserve some shine in m+ fr fr but in raid when you guys are meta it's total supremacy.
Been shaman player for years when I do play wow…. TWW shaman and the new talents are chefs kiss to me. It looks good. Finally they stop putting shaman on the back burner
@@wendy.allison shaman is always good season 1.
I don't understand how people can say resto shamans aren't fantastic. Not only are they fun to play we pump with the healing not even counting our fantastic cooldowns. Our interrupt is the shortest cd in the game I believe and then we have a second and now a third if we want it. I mean the only things we don't have that would be nice are a mass dispel or a battle res. But then we would be gods. lmao
I almost hit 3k in mythic+ this season just pugging them, the first season I have ever done mythics on her, and the only reason I didn't is because I stopped doing them. I am older and medicated and that slows me down a bit so I got sick of stressing over it when there is no real motivation to hit 3k. If there was I would have pushed for it but eh. I'll sit at 2921 and keep my sanity and be happy I got that high on my own. lol
How do both priest healing specs in mythic+ have the least utility, arguably least mobility, least self-survivabilty (squishy af ), and also possibly the most undertuned of all the healers? (also even if not undertuned shouldn't they bring more stuff to the group anyways as better class design?)
I might be exagerating a bit but good lord throw them a bone please, it feels bad
I agree for sure. I always just want to play / main holy priest just feels bad
Devour affix is "Do not bring a warrior/dk/hunter/rogue week". Affixes that immediate incentivize you NOT to bring a class should not be in the game.
Agreed especially after they already removed an affix because of that exact same reason.
But also it is an affix that makes shaman op
these classes provide other benefits that other classes dont have. deal with it
@@kayn7171 No way you play the game and actually said that about those classes.
Go and read up on some of them say warrior and do tell how many other benefits they have that other classes does not have.
Sounds like a community thing
for hunters it's not the worst thing to give up implosive trap for Emergency Salve if you're in a group that has fewer cleanses.
Agree with your comments on holy paladin - the recent nerfs seemingly walk back the improvements they made. I hope it still feels strong using holy shock and word.
Keybind bloat is an annoyance on every healer I’ve played. I find myself choosing talents that reduce my keybinds even if they’re a performance loss.
Been maining Disc this exp and last (kept Druid and shaman fully geared also) tempted to main Druid in war within, getting pretty sick of lack of utility on priest.
They should just add a node and make something in class tree baseline. Then shadow tree can modify that node to become silence with 1 point.
I wish they would make Disc priest what it was back in Icecrown. I think they're just trying to make it do too many things. Maybe I'm just getting old.
Keep in mind that in a month(when M+ release) it will all be different, they wont let priest be that weak even shadow is underperforming rn
as soon as you see people breaking into 12+ keys, disc priest will rise to the top since everyone will expect and know where all the dmg is coming from
HPala I welcome you back, can't wait for TWW!
This is the best guide/comparison out there! You done amazing job! Thank you so much.
Me continuing to main mistweaver like I have since the first day of MoP. I love fistweaving, but sometimes I do miss the "spawn healing orbs absolutely everywhere" playstyle
Just found out about your channel.
Now it is up there for me alongside Growl :)
I wanna try healing for the first time on m+ this expansion and I think you two will be great inspiration and source of guides and etcs.
Would love to see thoughts around raid tiers! Love your work Mad :)
Excellent comment about macroing abilities, especially for Druids.
Looking forward to playing discipline priest!
Great summary - thank you!
man I stil can't decide rtsham is one of my favorites, but I'm leaning towards pres evoker, holy pal, or rdruid. Thanks for the vid!
For Druid they NEEEED to follow the same philosophy as Diablo 4's Druid Design. If I use a BEAR ability, it should shift me into Bear form. It would make Druid 500x more fluid to play.
isnt that exactly what the new talent "Fluid form" does?
We kinda have that with Fluid Form talent now, but I agree it's not perfect
You can kinda macro that
I would love a list that outlines which dungeons require which utilities. I'm a rsham and as an example I always keep poison cleansing totem just because I never know which dungeon will have poison and which won't. When to spec into fear totem etc etc 😊
Great video, been seeing a lot of similar videos lately. And I think yours is the better list. And also closer to what I think too.
Shaman’s ability to do mechanics is so important for the beginning of the season. When everyone is learning new talents and new dungeon pools. Having the short kick at range is so soooo strong. And the fact that priests really only have one stop and it requires melee range is bonkers.
I would not recommend priest to anyone. Sure the class may have less key binds, and might be more intuitive to do the rotation, but if you’re in a pug and the death bolt volley is gonna kill your team, you just literally have to pray.
And then the shaman and Druid key binds are usually situational and not important all the time. You don’t actually need lava burst and the lightning spells until your comfortable with the class. Tremor totem, poison cleansing, AP totem are all niche and only crop up 1-5 times in a dungeon at most. So you have a lot of freedom as resto to add in key binds when you feel like you really need them. Instead of like Hpal or monk where most of the key bind bloat are actually important to the performance of the class.
Just started healing 2 weeks ago. Did a +7 RLP on my resto shaman yesterday night and I interrupted more than the other 4 party members together. Pugsigh*
R sham main here. That will be most of the time - we have a lot of disrupt and best kick in game. You should be honestly
@@bobbilling1075 I am doing it. The tank pulled multiple packs with the cinderbolt caster and nobody interrupted them. We also had low dps, which meant that these mobs lived for ever. I was pumping oit 260-280k hps and even like that we were dying.
I main prot pally and my wife mains resto shaman. Between the 2 of us we normally carry groups on the utility aspect and interrupts
@@wwhite2958Power couple!
sounds like you're doing it right =)
Funnily enough I started playing priest with my lvl 70 boost but with all the time weaver events I made some new classes I agree with u completely I went from Druid and priest as my two mains to holy Pali and resto shaman feels really nice to have chain and plate armor for once I am enjoying heavy DPS and all the asthetics of the healers holy, rain, & nature is why my main 4 characters are all healer classes
So excited to play holy Paladin :)
I've mained RSham since Cata, really happy with how its playing now.
The best healer is always the healer you play best. 😅
Thank you for this video! Could you also do a ranked list for push keys above 12?
That would be amazing! I push higher keys but only in pugs.
Honestly, If you think preservation evoker is under those other specs because of the range, you need to get better at it. It is far closer to resto shaman than the rest of the specs. It would definitely be a lot better than rsham if it had the same utility.
I have played the same healing class since Cata: Resto Druid. And it's not going to change here for me. I don't chase the 'top class' for any tier.
It's good to know I may struggle a bit due to the high amount of reactionary damage. But, I adore the spec and most of it's spells are second nature after so many years. No amount of HPS will overcome that deep familiarity and reaction time.
However, I do appreciate knowing where I'll rank up among other healers. And I appreciate the insights like heavy Curse/Poison debuffs or knowing there's a lot of reactionary damage spikes.
As a veteran Resto Druid main, it takes a special skill to play this type of healer. Not everyone is built for that Resto Druid life.
Ya I've played rdruid since wotlk. All the tricks in raid are great what with the ns into convoke. Also it's hard to convince rdruids to blanket the raid before damage goes out. It's just so counter intuitive to alot of players but it's amazing.
True not many people have a finger to press any of the various instant cast spells that automatically out-HPS any other healer WHILE MOVING and bringing the best raid buff in the game.
@@Squagem ain't no way rdruid is beating shaman this patch. Like idk what other players think they have the best mastery in the entire game.
@@michaelmoran2125 Give Blizz a few weeks - rdruid always comes out on top in keys
RDruid is dog water at xpac launches because it has zero stats. But yeah, if you can roll Rejuv on everyone for Swiftmend, you should be alright. Waking Dream is slept on.
Im a disco priest since SL, now I feel time has come for me to change ... Honestly I don't understand why as priest we don't have any interrupt like other classes, it's insane. Thank you for this video
Love these videos! Are you planning on ranking healers for raid?
Choice node on PI or interrupt is kinda genius tbh
Priest should get a spell that gives a party member a kick reset within 10 sec of receiving the spell on a 1 min cd. Change my mind
General question, what is the small holy nova like effect that you have on every heal?
Also if they made it possible for hpally to use shield of righteousness through a player that has the bulwark or use crusader strike through a player who has the sword would make that so fun, because it would give you the ability to either spend or generate holypower from range.
I plan on mistweaver and maybe preservation evoker because those are what I find the funnest in M+. I also enjoy the offspecs for monk.
I don't mind the reworked Afflicted since it is on party members, I can see it in my UI. The biggest problem was that you had to make UI adjustments just to be able to deal with Afflicted.
Of course when I switch off sham for CE to hpally , hpally gets cooked and sham is insane
Start playing during SL only reason i made rshaman and main it ever since. Can deal with everything kick stun cc. Just wish i could deal with every single dispel and it would be perfect( bleed and disease)
Hi, its been already 2 weeks since you uploaded the video. Love it btw. Can you please tell me in what spot the holy paladin ended for mythic plus? Has nerfs been reverted or is it thrash now? :(
Proactive healers will always be mid to me until blizzard balances that extra difficulty with extra benefit. Make our proactive heals automatically react so we don’t have to be both pro active AND reactive. Especially with druid as they have to shift in and out of forms (which as you mentioned is more difficult now) to react.
"As a holy priest you are kinda like a passenger in a car"
Wow, man, you put it so well. My feelings, exactly.
I really like the class fantasy of a holy priest, but her toolkit has been shit for ages, and for some reason I do not like Disc.
On 18. will come a big beta Patch which will Adress the Bad healer specs.
You think that changes are enough to make holy priest fine?
Would love to play resto shaman but there’s wayyyy too many buttons so not doing it until they reduce the ungodly amount of keybinds.
For the new affix and dispel, every healer has a dispel of some form baseline correct?
Yeah,but you got to blast heal most of the party anyway
@@vanguelisk yeah that's been the problem with dispelling for a while now. Wanting a dispel every 8 seconds ontop of pumping healing and adding dps is overloading the healers responsibilities.
I'm gonna be healing on rdruid a lot just because their throughput is gonna be insane in tww. But def not the easiest to use in high keys. They also made farcasting par to catweaving for dps, it regens mana and heals during mark now. Fun class ❤
I think the druid one click macro thing was changed because the one hero tree makes it so you auto shift on using moves. So they nerfed the entire class to make a hero tree work and then they wonder why we dont like the hero trees.
Note: my opinion, possibly incorrect.
Great tips. Have always played Holy Paladin but I prefer a ranged variant (with occasional melee) rather than a full on melee build.. it felt great why they have to nerf everything so hard lol. Seems like I will have to learn the Shaman basics
i will be maining resto shaman which i have mained since the end of wotlk with the exception of a few patches (hunter) and most likely also push with my priest as well.
Would you say that if I already ran hpal for 3-4 seasons than that experience outweighs that edge that resto shaman has over paladin right now? Or is it worth it to swap? I am not aiming world first keys but aiming for a title
I find it interesting, as a pugger I find resto druid healing easier than resto shaman, probably because of our set bonus, I feel I have more time to focus on other stuff like interrupt/dmg/cc than healing as druid
priest for raid, then fotm for m+ hopefully pres/hpal?
you can heal ranged on mistweaver for those dungeons where melee is dangerous
started healing on prevoker for the frist time ever this last 2 tier of DF then Mistweaver, Now looking to play Hpal but it's so hard to select when you're trying to find a raid and be viable in m+
Shaman my favorite right now. Mistweaver monk was fun but didn't have as much utility as shaman. I like holy paladin but it was much higher apm then shaman so I lean more towards shaman as my goto.
*cries in priest*
Wtb priest changes
Same. Holy priest main here. Might switch back to shadow
I agree with the list, may even put Pres in A tier though.
32:55 I was being extra safe due to range limitations especially with pugs but Pres is probably closer to A than B 🔥
@@MadSkillzzTV That’s fair. Looking forward to season 1 now.
As long as Hpala doesn't get another nerf, I will be maining Hpala, if they end up nerfing it it will be an uh-oh for me, because Priests are also bad. I got night shifts since this week so am kind of forced to pug since will be around when my friends aren't.
I never really played or enjoyed MW and Rshaman, so will likely be one or the other if Hpala get nerfed more since MW looks a lot more fun since DF and Rshaman looks a lot more fun with Hero Talents.
Proactive healers are somewhat dependant on the quality of their groups too. So it's understandaable that they are ranked lower in the context of this video.
I pug as a holy priest, the class is easy to play,but hard to master.The spec does need interrupt and/or a combat rez
Im Gonna main Preservation Evoker .. cause im kind of sick how BLizzard treats priest for all those years and Dragon is just soo much fun
i agree, i am done with priests until blizz gets off their asses and gives other healers the spotlight. It's always the same classes at the top and trying to get into keys as a holy priest is miserable. People will roll the S tier healers and get into keys playing like ass, while a well experienced holy priest spends their day waiting for a chance.
yeah but it looks so bad xD
I mained resto shaman in dragonflight. Switching to Monk, because the tank I run with is switching from DH to DK. I feel like DK HP drops from 100% to 5% instantly, and shaman can't react fast enough for that. Curious what you think @MadSkillzzTV
Hey @MadSkillzzTV might sharing your Elvui profiles pls ? Can't find it in your healer addon&UI video. Thx !
was this posted before the new patch notes?
Here's to praying resto shaman doesn't dominate first week of hc raid, otherwise nerfs inc
Just give priests an interrupt I don't think PI is a big enough thing to have silence not be included in the baseline kit.
Shamans have stun, knockup, roots, slows, speedup totems + shortest CD silence.
Evokers have insane utiltiy as well
Priest has PI and fear and mass dispel
Oracle hpriest for M+ is actually doing nuts dmg and nuts healing while still having ok utility like PI, Reduce defensives, GS for tank...
It's literally a sleepy op spec but ppl is following the wrong tier lists.
To put flourish on the same node as photosynthesis is completely mind-boggling, and the person to make that decision should not be allowed to have any further say in any of the specs ever again
Ita called flourish not nourish.
Not everyone enjoys photosynthesis gameplay though. They want lifebloom to be used on tanks.
Glad they fixed rshamans. But if your pug cannot press their buttons correctly no one can save them.
what tanks do you seeing having the hardest time and or easiest time while youve been healing
Enjoyed whammy in s4 but dislike the constant healing rain cat time whilst group is getting twatted… so stoked for totemic!
Could just overlap the cast time with some totem healing. And once you have enough haste, the cast time really isn't that noticeable if you're quick enough to place it.
Basing a healer off not having blood lust or battle rez.... there's going to be a million other classes in your group with battle rez and bloostlust. Who cares.
I like holy priest for the simplicity and its a fun spec with all those fast casts and instant casts, can do decent dmg in healing downtimes and i enjoyed it all the way through s4 but the lack of an interupt is heavy but i really picked up resto shammy its just a joy for me to play it sooooo much utility, big aoe heals, cloudburst totem is awesome good variety with riptide and chain heal, the health buffs, 12s interupt good crowd control and also decent dmg but it doesnt stop there i could add soo many more reasons why shaman is perfect heal like you got ALOT cds for healing and defensive, a totem that allows ppl that die to ankh which is very useful in some pug situations on bosses ofc you got your own ankh and also great mobility and even bloodlust
I played holy priest alot in s4 now at ilvl 525 but damn i handle pulls on my shammy better at lvl 510 pulls that i as holy priest would always respect but resto shammy with all that utility and straight healing power is just broken rn
What is the best addon that tells you when poisons and dispels needed. I assume it's weakauras but I find it overwhelming to set up. Where can I find the best way to set up weakauras for healing or any addon suggested.
R shaman has been an easy 3k io pugging for about 5 seasons in a row for me.
17:29 Sad, that Preservation Evoker made it through all of Dragonflight, and not once did Dev Team address the range the limitations that the community has been asking for.
I no lifed pres in pugs during s1 DF, got to maybe 2.8k rating ish.
The range really never was an issue. Most ranged dps will listen if you tell them at the start to not be waaaaay out.
It’s such a fun class I’d never avoid it because of range.
Off topic but I’m struggling with keep my UI clean, would you drop a code?
We all know that the people will main that healer that is meta or otherwise they would not be invited in high keys.
😂😂😂😂😂
Do we know which healer does the most damage in M+ at the moment?
Im still in between hpal and rsham, tough choice to be made!
i 100% agree with your preservation evoker ranking
the range limit in pug will get tiring really really quick . yeah you can work around but sometime you will not and you will get mad as hell.
i also think their hps is one small nerf away to being 'normal'. prez pump BIG when everything align (group packed/essence pooled right/CD up) but i feel it pump a bit too much to not get looked at and if it's hit with the infamous 'healing -5%' blizzard trademark balancing pattern you are back into the 'meh' zone
You remove the range limit and you need to remove the mobility. I have mained preservation since it came out, first time I play an entire expansion without having alts. I did the keystone master and conqueror every season this expansion and I didn't feel much of a problem. The biggest issue were hunter players that want to shoot the boss from Australia, but they learn quickly if they are over there they're going to be very dead. I like the identity of running and flying around the battle field. I wish people would just learn the class and stop crying about their identity. I've had plenty of fun and I'm looking forward to more next expansion. If you don't like the class, just don't play it, don't ask them to make them the same as every other healer.
@@LexussDaines amen. If players in your group know about what range you operate in, then it is up to them to stick closer together. I also think 1 important thing has been left out here, and that is that Pres needs very litle time drinking and has 2 very good tank externals making you able to keep tanks up easier, allowing you to focus on topping the rest of the party off aswell. The class also has a b res and does significant damage, not to mention the highest HPS, and plays well from being lower geared.
Im a happy Evoker main for TWW.
Pres seems like the strongest hps healer in m+ to me. Just from what I’ve played. Druid ranking seems fair, can be rough.
Yeah I think they belong in the A+ tier. Their spot tank healing with golden hour is absolutely insane, and can carry bad tanks easily. I would avoid full range groups however.
I also think resto druids don't really bring much in terms of healing capability to an uncoordinated group. I feel like they are ranked high only because Mark of the wild is such a strong buff.
@@blomeh1 Hey I appreciate the info. Pres Evoker learning the ropes and these tips were great. Cheers
@@CapntSpankey Happy to help! Echo + Reversion is the play if you want to spot heal someone after big damage. Its pretty much an external Death Strike. I'm really excited about the Flameshaper talent that makes your Renewing Blaze heal an ally. Putting that + Time Dialation on a tank will make you both almost invincible for its duration.
@@CapntSpankeystick with pres. it took me a while to click with it, but it’s a blast once you get all the good combos down and understand what to use for different situations. It’s very rewarding skill expression.
I might alt rsham,but got no clue how to do big burst heal in a raid 😢 and the spe has so many buttons
The PI answer is just such a cop-out. They already nerfed PI and as you said it isn't going to help people survive. Mass Dispel is not 2 minutes, because again....." over powered". I do not even get where the devs think anything Priest is overpowered :/
Shaman is just my jam😊
Does this tierlist include last paladin nerfs?
Thx Bro !!!
I don't care where preservation evoker is ranked. It's a fun and unique spec, yes agree with annoying with the range but so what ? would be nice to have higher range but that doesnt change the fact that evoker is amazing fun to play. Mained all Dragon flight and will keep maining it
disc ftw
Sh!t happens… i main Disc 🤙🏻
@@92witzi there is some time until expansion..maybe more buffs
I might try shammy and maybe pres or mistw but I can't still let go of druid.
I really don't understand why healers don't all have brez... feels so bad as a healer not being able to brez
The argument that holy priest have PI so they don´t deserve interrupt makes no sense to me. Shadow priest has Power Infusion to dish out AND an interrupt... long cooldown, yeah.. but they have one... sadge :/
Pres evoker NEEDS to have more utility or HPS, they have about 40% of the effective area compared to other healers, or other healers have 350% more area coverage compared to evokers, so if they don't pump, they would not be brought, having Aug get more range is a slap in the face
I get scared of resto shaman because I don't have multiple foot pedals yet (if glydr hits the market, I'm gonna have so many keybinds with my feet it's crazy, so we'll see then) xD
Needs a razor naga to play it
I play caster monk, the healing is just ridiculous the damage isn't great but If you want to just mainly be a reactive healer I highly recommend
People are so hung up on fistweaving in M+. But my god they are sleeping in caster healing in M+. You pump out so much insane healing numbers so easily you really can push through anything. All your hots spreading automatically and all your hots and heals cleaving on everyone else is obscene especially during Yulon.
@@Onibachido you just run the 'raid' build in M+ for this or do you have a different set up? Mind sharing the export code?
Just give priest an interrupt already.
People will watch videos like this to figure out which S tier class they need to play so they can clear a +3 that every class was capable of doing and then their class gets nerfed a week after launch.
did u watch the first part of the video?
i guess not
Holy and Disc always at the bottom. Like always 😂😂😂
Best HPS heler ?
The amount of keybinds for Resto shaman is insane and i love it
I kinda just want you to do an Arnold Schwarzenegger impression :)