Ahhhh the tier list he was talking about was mine at 2:30:20! That’s so nice of you!!! People kept on saying that they’re here from PoddyC but I wasn’t sure where it was from. I personally believe that medical personnel refuse to admit any weakness, which makes sense since we are expected to help alleviate individuals from any medical issue, but when we keep acting like we’re flawless we stop learning. That’s why I decided to break expose my general thoughts on it, even if it showed areas that I struggle in. Regardless, your comment definetly made my day!! Thank you very much for checking it out!
This is the first race where ive actually sometimes chose liquid stream over max and it was entirely the cast they had but dedinitely emphasis on dratty
I liked the liquid channel more I don't watch for prolonged periods, just like 15 to 30 minutes at a time but the main cast pretty much could keep me up to date on the race. Especially on goes bosses work and what the different mythic mechanics are
i am 100% with dorki about the pings! its such a helpful thing in general and playing classic hc without it after being used to having it in retail feels like im missing a leg.
I bricked 1 key intentionanally in 8 years... the guy invited me and kicked me to invite the same exact spec with 30 more points on rio. He did the same thing to another guy in the group before me.... so i tried and logged my main, signed for this fall 27 and guess what? he kicked the third person in 2 minuts to invite me , ofc. So yeah i left the group without saying a word after he put in his key, and i felt like Batman, you don't need to thank me... change my mind.
Blizz should give the same amount of crests for finishing AND depleting the key, that way big part of the leavers in lower keys wouldn't leave. But the main question is for Dratnos: where's the dino pillow? 🤔
Yep pretty much. Blizzards system is the reason people are incentivized to leave when they think the key won’t be timed. I can’t see any issue with still getting a paltry 12 crests if you miss the timer
One of the most fun things I've ever done in wow was the 30 man tank nyalotha runs on heroic where every tank just equipped as much corruption as they could with unlimited stacks of twilight dev and just blasting and having fun. Everyone had a tank alt at that time cus it was just fun to tank in general, we didnt have this tank drought where people would wait half an hour for a tank to show up to keys. Everyone who disliked the last patch of bfa was cus of the cloak grind but aside from that one thing the last patch of BFA was the most fun wow has been in a long time.
You forget the whole first half of the patch that sucked. No corruption vendor meant tour fate was left to RNG. The patch only became fun when you could target corruptions
@@RobotboyX2FOR REAL. Did a tank main screw Ion's wife or something? Tanks being good has so many good ripple effects on the rest of the game. I don't understand wtf is Blizzard's problem with just letting tanks be good. Absolutely nobody cares if a tank can occasionally solo a dungeon boss, and the game is in a DROUGHT of tanks. Ffs Blizzard, I beg.
@@Frawt feel like the biggest part is, healer doesnt want to be responsible for the tank dying and neither does the tank want the healer to be responsible for his survival. both roles already have such a high responsibility and are usually the targets of flame etc. but with the changes they also pit heal and tanks against each other. beginning of tww i was tanking with my dps characters as usual ( gearing them for raid etc) so i had terrible substats for the most part, i got absolutely clapped and whenever i didnt get clapped i didnt know if that was me or the healer just healing 10x more than all the other healers, it literally put me in a position within 5 runs where i only wanted my premade healer so i could actually determine how i was doing
I never thought of this, but final patch of BFA (corruption) is similar to PoE. All classes are different, but there is a external power that ALL classes have access to. It helps with balance because you can do what others do...
Legion was just PEAK WoW. Best story for lore nerds. Best class fantasy for rpg enjoyers. Super fast schedule. Suramar was the best endgame zone ever added. People complained about AP and legendaries, but honestly for an avg player it really never mattered. Being a midcore player in the Legion was THE best time to play WoW.
100% agree, but I've gotta be really real... I had almost as much fun in DF. Ik that sounds crazy but the zones in DF were so damn good & full of personality (ESPECIALLY compared to SL), the massive reworks for flying, professions, outdoor content, UI, etc. were an incredible breath of fresh air, and maybe most importantly... the most toxic WoW anti-fans weren't playing AT ALL for the vast majority of the expansion. It just felt so nice to log on.
@@drageras i do think they should do a similar expansion to Legion but with the warband system in place, even making things like ap account wide. Having bad luck legendary vendors and so on.
@@wm-wl8wsonly for players that super tryhard the game and believe they must be BiS to enjoy the game. The thing about legion was it was pre classic. All types of players enjoyed it. Honestly the "must be optimal" mindset has sucked out so much fun from the game.
@@wm-wl8ws the launch was bad, but the content was still amazing. they have made mistakes with legion but they most likely wouldnt repeat them if they were to bring it back.
8.0 was actually crazy though for World PvP you turned War Mode on for the extra Azerite and did the Mine World Quests and it was a straight up warzone and it was insane fun.
I remember whenever a chest would drop and players from both factions would just swarm like flies to the location, there were actual large-scale battles happening in the open world that they haven't really replicated since then.
Dratnos and Max massively overrate Dragonflight imo. Idk anyone who looks back on Amirdrassil as a particularly good raid, most people in my raid group hated M Fyrrak and thought it was dogshit, and other people I've played with also thought the same. Their opinion of BoD is also way off, most people I know loved BoD, thought the fights were really cool and the only thing they didn't like was that Jaina felt very overtuned. I also see similar posts on r/wow when people talk about their favorite raids. BoD typically gets brought up way more then anything else from BFA. It seems like Dratnos and Max are way too forgiving of horribly designed bosses as long as they are tuned hard.
I love this podcast, and it is one of my top 3 watched for the year. If the bonus episode was accessible via youtube using the members program, I'd 100% pay for it, but the fact that I'd need to use a different website to subscribe for the bonus content is enough for me not to bother. Worth thinking about :)
Not sure if meme-ing but it's because Echo cheated to win Amirdrassil raid. TLDR is Echo used a script to basically automate one of the private auras on Fyrakk. This specific mechanic was relatively difficult and even a hundred pulls in, other guilds were having early wipes because of it. Echo used an edited game file to completely bypass this issue and then immediately after winning, they gave orders to all their raiders to delete the file and in post raid interviews, they pretended like they had to deal with the private auras the same way Liquid did. It's pretty clear Liquid would have won that race if Echo hadn't cheated because on reclears, it took Echo an irregularly long time to reclear Fyrakk but no one was paying attention to reclear times because the race was over.
@@khoitrieubro can they win anything legit these days? Gifted two wins because of nerfs and then literally fucking hack the game? And then they go around beating their chest? So glad they got BODIED this entire last tier.
2:26:00 "i do think the hero talents have gone really well. They're cool, they've been getting good tuning, there's a lot of fun game play..." meanwhile, havoc DHs are about to disable glide and jump off a cliff with blizzard cheering them on
I know you said hero talents and not the DF talents, but priests having almost the same general talent tree that they had in the first itteration of Dragonflight beta is absolutely ridiculous as well. They added 3 new talents to replace the mindgames stuff, other than that it has never been changed since the first day of DF beta.
Blizz should force you to choose if this group is supposed to be a completion or a time it key. That would already somewhat fix the expectation of people in keys
2:51:47 I'm a paramedic and highly effective teams calmly communicate during stressful situations, it is not like tv where everyone is yelling and screaming. That doesn't work, and it kills people.
I remember looting the Pyro bracers on my fire mage doing a trial of valor normal run 2 weeks before antorus came out. For weeks I was doing every difficulty of current and old raids, all mythic 0's, world quests etc. Got my avengers shield leg legendary on my prot pally doing a eoa key. Frost dk helm a week before it got nerfed from a halls of valor, but got the empower rune weapon ring the next week from vault of the wardens. The legendary system without the vendor was so frustrating but felt so good when you would get a good legendary.
My dead last Shadow Priest legendary was the belt. The one that enabled the spec to not overcap its cooldowns and let them properly use a 60s rotation.
@@destrmathbig oof. I was gonna say I had a hard time with my SPriest looting Sephuz ring as dead last drop, but not getting the belt must’ve been a big downer.
The recent(ish) revelation that Echo used special weakauras to break Blizz's private aura settings on Fyrrak. Basically they got the kill using WAs that blatantly break blizzs terms of service.
The Visions of N'Zoth patch in Tol'Dagor Prison Dungeon I was Tanking as Vengeance DH and the Worgen boss where he stuns you and runs down the hall opening cells. Right before the Stun I Meta massively boosting my Max HP a Twilight Devastation proc happened as I was getting stunned. Twilight Devs Damage scaled of your Max HP. Well when the proc happened the boss ran with Twilight Dev staying in the beam the whole Beams movement getting crit multiple times and was deleted lol it was really funny.
Ngl the felcycle hunt has been keeping me engaged for the last few weeks. Not for everyone for sure, but as my first "secret" it's been a blast engaging with WoW in a different way
I don't know if it would actually end up being good stream content but I would absolutely watch Max play through the WC3 campaign since the recent fix/update.
38:00 Story time: Early this season my guild was doing a Heroic clear for Nerub-ar Palace and explicitly stated in LFG "discord required, guild run, recruiting mythic raid". Warrior joins on Broodtwister, post discord link, we wait, post again, we wait, PM warrior and get "I don't join comms for heroic clears." Me: Cool.. well this is a recruitment run you don't have to talk but we want people to get a feel for our environment, the purpose is to recruit. Warrior: Why would I join comms? Heroic is easy, you don't need them. it's you're problem if you don't know the fights. Me: Were recruiting, that the purpose of this run... Warrior: Why would I join your guild if you cant even do heroic without comms?" At this point I'm over it. We're 8/8, we know the fights, I don't know what this guy is going on about. I just kick him. He pulls boss and starts harassing me in PMs. I just hear "what an asshole" followed by "GO GO GO GO, kill the boss I wanna see if he gets a zero parse on logs." Boss goes down easy. Dude flips out because he's trying to find a guild and now he has a super shitty average parse for that boss. Moral of the story: Win in spite of jackasses like this, don't lose because of them.
Later Ce guilds not needing to test dmg, I have a point that y’all missed. Often times we have so much more dmg in our kills that we are able to kill a boss before a major mechanic check. For example fyrakk, you could skip multiple of the blazed line sets with your seeds out if you just did more dmg. Considering those line sets were the hardest mechanical part of the boss, being able to skip 1 or 2 of them was huge value
Please give keys 3 charges before depletion. It can't hurt the game... As a tank you can practice pulls, dps can get used to a route, you can test new stuff in a premade... Instead as it is right now, tank tries a new pull (lets say in high NW key), you wipe with bloodlust and cds and it's a gg gl next.
Legion classic comes out and the mage tower artifact appearances become an account-wide achievement everyone would end up playing classic legion. Just so they can get the appearances they missed when they were either more casual at the game, get a chance to play classes they weren't able to level up during that time cus 110 was level cap.
reddit taught me that if people say they were unfairly banned, they are lying. Majority of the time you check the comments, and they admit they did it and called the groups slurs.
I wish I played this game during Legion. I started at the end of BFA but Legion seemed so sick. Here’s to hoping for a Legion remix so I can feel what it was like.
legion was dope af but u only knew once it was over, nowadays i regret taking a break on tomb of sargeras tier, at the time it just felt like a normal break like i do every few tiers
Legion wasnt that great, and was the start of WoWs dark history (the most alt unfriendlyness and 3 expansions in a row of ap grinds). I think people enjoyed it because it followed WoD where there was legitimately nothing to do. The end of Legion where you could wear 3 legos was fun tho.
For the first season in years, i quit within a month. Haven't unsubbed in years. M+ was the least fun possibly ever. Everything once you to a 12 was below garbage. This patch shows very clearly that the devs dont play the game. Whoever thought a stun should just have everything recasting in a few seconds does not play m+.
Same. Been an avid m+ player since legion and this season SUCKS. My entire friends list and guild is struggling to find motivation to even do weekly vault keys. What I find interesting is each individual change they made can be looked at independently and can be seen as positive. But when you put it all together the experience in m+ is TERRIBLE. And by the way, never in this history of wow has it been negative for tanks and healers to be strong. Stop listening to JBs neckbeard takes, that guy is an idiot.
Some of the BfA Essences were amazing. At least as Healers. Apart from some passive DPS bonuses, we had Well of Existence which stored Healing up to your own max HP and when an ally dropped below 30% (Health% depended on Essence Rank) it would take Healing from the Well and bump it into that injured player. It also worked with HoTs so Rejuvs, Riptide, Renews and other spells were amazing as they would trigger Well whenever needed as a kind of Smart Heal. We also had Vitality Conduit where if I healed a person the Essence would transfer HP to the target from an ally nearby and give that ally an absorb. So with a Druid's Rejuvs ticking there would be a lot of small absorbs. The Essence Major effect would also transfer Health to whoever you used it on which would override Necrotic so a Healing Immune tank could still be Healed with that Essence. There were some Essences that you just kept because they were "the best" but you could also swap some Major and Minor essences depending on if you needed extra mana or extra throughput or some extra damage! If they had just enabled a system to get Essences othr than their one source (I knew I would not be optimal without it but over my dead body I spent time in Arena for Blood-essence...) it would have been really great.
ya so all of ragnaros server is banned for sure, i think ive had like 10 keys this season where a rag player just leaves within 3 mins of the key starting.
Biggest problem with covenants is the dramatic impact to performance and gameplay if you pick the wrong thing. The difference between races in wow is like 1% at most. The differences in covenants were crazy. And we all rightfully had 0 faith in blizzards ability to tune them
3 people who has promoted that people should leave keys if they feel like something goes wrong. Are now finding out that blizzard does not like that. But yes the banning is probably a very low number
I'm sure unpopular opinion, but for me 7.0 Legion was an F tier patch. I've been playing the game for 20 years and it's the only time that I've ever unsubed from the game due to being disappointed with the game. I had finally climbed the ladder and made it into top 100 raiding guids... and then my character got two worthless legendaries. That put me on perma bench, and I tried applying to other good guilds and none would take me because I didn't hit good legendaries. I ended up just quitting because the patch's RNG system basically said "you don't get to play the game in challenging content". Legion Legendaries, as they were at launch, is the single worst thing to ever exist in World of Warcraft, and it's not close. If they brought it back exactly as is in a hypothetical 12.0 Midnight patch, the expansion would be dead on arrival no matter how good the rest of it was.
It boggles my mind that Corruption was never re-done/did not become an evergreen feature. It was clearly inspired by Diablo/hack and slash gearing and it made so much sense for WoW to spice up loot beyond having 4 stats to care about (which is really not enough). I really don't get why they don't try it again it was the only patch in WoW history where I cared about loot to that extent and could remember the name of the affixes and stuff I was looking for.
Tier list is telling me AP grind=good, and I do kinda agree. Is it nice not feeling you have to play and grind for power? Yes. However, there feels like there is nothing to do outside M+ and raids for people who only focus on those aspects. For a lot of people, rep and world quests/events are not fun, and it gives nothing other than cosmetic rewards such as mounts or tiltes. Give us a new AP grind, with the knowledge of how to implement it from Legion/BFA
There needs to be a vote to disband option for those early wipe scenarios. Some people are eternal optimist type players. There are other players are eternally efficient and want to maximize their time. Vote to disband will allow players not to get caught up in a ban wave unfairly.
I don't usually leave until it becomes apparent it's 100% untimeable. But I was in discord with my buddy who basically only pvp's (we get him portals every season 2600+ IO or w/e) and he just let it slip that he could never get invites as a warlock so he just started bricking all the keys he could get into. ??????. Dude's out there bricking the keys of people who were nice enough to invite him lol. moral of the story, asshats exist and it's unfortunate lol.
Let us pause keys to replace leavers. The dungeon already goes non-interactive on completion, so technically it can be done. Would just have to pause cooldowns as well.
Same man, got to 2990 io and can’t even get groups to push further. To reroll meta spec im looking at 90 dungeons. Hard to find people to make a push group with. Mythic raid being locked to groups I can’t put it either… I don’t have 6 hours a week of time I can set aside. I need to be able to log on and off when I want to. Guess wow isn’t for me anymore
@@jacobmitchell9227Sounds like you got your money worth if you made it that far. I just play a new character when I get bored, no need to rush to the same ilvl it’s all getting replaced in the next patch
Ngl usually m+ keeps me playing throughout the whole season after I get KSH cus I usually gear alts and help people/pugs out trying to earn KSM or KSH but m+ this season has just been the most unfun experience its been in a while... Like even trying to pug keys around KSM/KSH range is miserable and annoying 90% of the time and not fun.
2:55:25 Max is referring to Colombian Footballer/soccer player Andres Escobar, who scored an own-goal at the World Cup in 1994 and was murdered about a week after he returned to his home country. There's an ESPN 30 for 30 about him and Pablo Escobar that is very interesting.
Forgot to mention, unless I missed it, that cross faction and the Creation Catalyst were added to 9.2 EDIT: And all of the great changes to Torghast! Like the Box of Many Things!
as a casual broken shore (tomb of sargeras) patch was my fav. and not because mage tower i just liked everything about the patch. the zone, the raid, the new dungeon
To the engineering manager from Pateron Q: You are possibly way too focused on your "role" of being a manager and putting too much emphasis on "evaluation" processes and procedures, which is why you are asking this question. In order to not have this question, a manager needs to be heavily involved with the production that the team is doing. Really being there is what makes you aware of who is doing what and it becomes painfully obvious. As an engineer with 20 years of experience, the clueless absentee managers trying to find a "process", while being completely un-involved in any of the problem solving and general business we are doing, is among the most frustrating things about the industry, and there's way too many of these.
I'm really happy to see that its not just me between the crowds who say, well I played BFA, yall hate it, but I actually loved the last patch it was the greatest patch for me, and well... nice to see I'm not alone on this because so much negativity is around BFA and I feel like people left before the Nzoth patch or just idk why they didn't like it, it was just stupid fun, and thats what gaming should be about.
Return to Kara to me is the best wow patch of all time. Not only was Legion just GOATed anyway but that mega dungeon was the best dungeon content ever added in WoW imo.
Omg! N’Zoth is one of the best bosses they ever made! Love that fight and it’s the one boss I had the most fun doing ever and I’ve played since vanilla release
"how do we get viewers off of your channel and onto ours?" honestly the RWF coverage was really frustrating because it constantly took focus *away* from the race. it felt like they were recording a podcast while the RWF happened to be going on in the background. i lost track of the amount of times i muted the official TL stream because the casters were doing a transmog contest or talking about some completely random subject *while pulls are happening in the background*. maybe once an hour, for all of five minutes, we were listening to actual raid comms and the casters were talking about what was happening on screen. so yeah, once i realized you were streaming the entire race with comms i never went back.
It's good to have the option tho. Not everyone is interested in watching 100 pulls where nothing new really happens. It's not like you're gonna miss anything since the casters tune in plenty and are most likely getting signaled by production if something is popping off in the fight while they're yapping
@@Jaybeezt13 if it was a better balance i'd agree, but while watching live it felt like damn near 80% of the time they were just chatting amongst themselves or barely acknowledging the action going on behind them. i understand it's not gonna be all action all the time, but it's definitely a trend with livecasters (definitely not just TL) acting like podcasters instead of casting the event.
Imagine the following scenario: You have 1) a host who pretty much does only high M+ keys, 2) a host who casts the MDI for several years now and 3) a host who is the reigning RWF champion (meaning he enjoys competitive WoW the most) and you do a 3-hour-podcast. And then ... instead of talking about MDI Globals (1 of 3 competitive events of the season), you do a patch ranking Oo The MDI really needs changes - because it seems no one seems to care about it.
1:04:18 Ironically this is a positive drawing point of the most popular Classic+ vanilla server going on. People like having salv and windfury who would have thought.
I remember reading something a while back that players that were not top rated but good enough to get into +12 easily were intentionally joining 12s or higher and leaving after the key started to keep the season title rating down. Blizzard probably is not banning people for leaving keys after the first pull like 8 or 10 times a week. They are banning people who are leaving keys like hundreds of times a week.
Not that Max would see this, But i got into Gundam Model kits because I also couldn't find a game to get sucked into. it's actually really nice, and it's a good way to get away from a screen, while keeping my ADHD engaged
Y'all should do a "rat dungeon invitational (rdi)" where invitees get 12-48 hours on brand new ilvl 500 characters to do mdi race things and they can only use loot from dungeons they run in that period with like 50k gold to buy enchantments and stuff
@ThePoddyC If interested, there is a forum post with a blue response of someone who was suspended for this (leaving keys). It has some interesting detail on how they handle it (a bit nebulous as they are somewhat vague to hide the mechanism) and the OP deleted some of his posts so it is a bit hard to follow the conversation, but you can see it is claimed to be human verified by their verbiage. I can't put the location here since it will get filtered, but let me know if yall want this and how to get it to you and I'll send it yalls way.
Quit Legion week 4 after my guild was half way through Mythic and I had TWO! functionally bricked characters in a row due to legendary "soft"cap. I'll never accept any argument that they made the right call on that system in 7.0. (Fire Mage)
You have a timer for dungeon completion. Why not a "leaver timer"? If you're not at say 50% kill count by a certain time (varies from dungeon to dungeon) it's ok to leave, no punishment. If you leave before that timer you get flagged or timeout from group finder for some period of time. You could even do if you have X deaths before the timer you can leave for free as well.
I absolutely remember my first Legion legendary At the time I was playing the game with an IRL friend that probably remembers it too because I literally took my phone to call him and be like "IT DROPPED OMG" on phone
Ahhhh the tier list he was talking about was mine at 2:30:20! That’s so nice of you!!! People kept on saying that they’re here from PoddyC but I wasn’t sure where it was from. I personally believe that medical personnel refuse to admit any weakness, which makes sense since we are expected to help alleviate individuals from any medical issue, but when we keep acting like we’re flawless we stop learning. That’s why I decided to break expose my general thoughts on it, even if it showed areas that I struggle in. Regardless, your comment definetly made my day!! Thank you very much for checking it out!
Max randomly asking dorki did u go to school was completely unhinged
The one who carried main channel stream was Dratnos. His charisma and commentary are just too good and people, i think, liked it a lot.
This is the first race where ive actually sometimes chose liquid stream over max and it was entirely the cast they had but dedinitely emphasis on dratty
I liked the liquid channel more I don't watch for prolonged periods, just like 15 to 30 minutes at a time but the main cast pretty much could keep me up to date on the race. Especially on goes bosses work and what the different mythic mechanics are
Not expecting the Jeff Nippard shoutout from Dorki but I am all for it
i am 100% with dorki about the pings! its such a helpful thing in general and playing classic hc without it after being used to having it in retail feels like im missing a leg.
I bricked 1 key intentionanally in 8 years... the guy invited me and kicked me to invite the same exact spec with 30 more points on rio. He did the same thing to another guy in the group before me.... so i tried and logged my main, signed for this fall 27 and guess what? he kicked the third person in 2 minuts to invite me , ofc. So yeah i left the group without saying a word after he put in his key, and i felt like Batman, you don't need to thank me... change my mind.
That's petty as fuck, I love it.
Justice was served.
Hero
Not the hero we deserved, but one we needed
Intentionanally is why your mom keeps wanting to see me.
Max doing dog yoga while waiting for keys would be 10/10 content
Dorki's icon is so chill
He's just a chill cat.
Blizz should give the same amount of crests for finishing AND depleting the key, that way big part of the leavers in lower keys wouldn't leave. But the main question is for Dratnos: where's the dino pillow? 🤔
He traded it for a ring to get Harbinger of the Gilded for sure
@@FreggeLock100% not worth it, pillow was legendary 😅
Yep pretty much. Blizzards system is the reason people are incentivized to leave when they think the key won’t be timed. I can’t see any issue with still getting a paltry 12 crests if you miss the timer
One of the most fun things I've ever done in wow was the 30 man tank nyalotha runs on heroic where every tank just equipped as much corruption as they could with unlimited stacks of twilight dev and just blasting and having fun. Everyone had a tank alt at that time cus it was just fun to tank in general, we didnt have this tank drought where people would wait half an hour for a tank to show up to keys. Everyone who disliked the last patch of bfa was cus of the cloak grind but aside from that one thing the last patch of BFA was the most fun wow has been in a long time.
Bro 30 tanks nylotha all with twilight dev was actually the most fun I had on wow since timeless isle.
tanks were also crazy fun in dragonflight, but blizzard doesnt want tanks to have power for some reason.
You forget the whole first half of the patch that sucked. No corruption vendor meant tour fate was left to RNG. The patch only became fun when you could target corruptions
@@RobotboyX2FOR REAL. Did a tank main screw Ion's wife or something? Tanks being good has so many good ripple effects on the rest of the game. I don't understand wtf is Blizzard's problem with just letting tanks be good. Absolutely nobody cares if a tank can occasionally solo a dungeon boss, and the game is in a DROUGHT of tanks. Ffs Blizzard, I beg.
@@Frawt feel like the biggest part is, healer doesnt want to be responsible for the tank dying and neither does the tank want the healer to be responsible for his survival.
both roles already have such a high responsibility and are usually the targets of flame etc.
but with the changes they also pit heal and tanks against each other. beginning of tww i was tanking with my dps characters as usual ( gearing them for raid etc) so i had terrible substats for the most part, i got absolutely clapped and whenever i didnt get clapped i didnt know if that was me or the healer just healing 10x more than all the other healers, it literally put me in a position within 5 runs where i only wanted my premade healer so i could actually determine how i was doing
NGL. I’d Watch Dratty PoE. His way of explaining just works and the chill vibe is what people want in arpgs
3 hours ? Boys giving us free content on this thanksgiving!
Damn when Dorki brought up Jeff Nippard that literally blew my mind
I think dorki is a gym goer. He was talking about macros the other day too. I'm now picturing a full body builder lol
I never thought of this, but final patch of BFA (corruption) is similar to PoE. All classes are different, but there is a external power that ALL classes have access to. It helps with balance because you can do what others do...
Not perfect but very fun idd
Legion was just PEAK WoW. Best story for lore nerds. Best class fantasy for rpg enjoyers. Super fast schedule. Suramar was the best endgame zone ever added.
People complained about AP and legendaries, but honestly for an avg player it really never mattered. Being a midcore player in the Legion was THE best time to play WoW.
100% agree, but I've gotta be really real... I had almost as much fun in DF.
Ik that sounds crazy but the zones in DF were so damn good & full of personality (ESPECIALLY compared to SL), the massive reworks for flying, professions, outdoor content, UI, etc. were an incredible breath of fresh air, and maybe most importantly... the most toxic WoW anti-fans weren't playing AT ALL for the vast majority of the expansion.
It just felt so nice to log on.
@@drageras i do think they should do a similar expansion to Legion but with the warband system in place, even making things like ap account wide. Having bad luck legendary vendors and so on.
L take, legion launch was one of the worst patches in the game and AP / legendary acquisition was utter garbage
@@wm-wl8wsonly for players that super tryhard the game and believe they must be BiS to enjoy the game. The thing about legion was it was pre classic. All types of players enjoyed it. Honestly the "must be optimal" mindset has sucked out so much fun from the game.
@@wm-wl8ws the launch was bad, but the content was still amazing. they have made mistakes with legion but they most likely wouldnt repeat them if they were to bring it back.
8.0 was actually crazy though for World PvP you turned War Mode on for the extra Azerite and did the Mine World Quests and it was a straight up warzone and it was insane fun.
I remember whenever a chest would drop and players from both factions would just swarm like flies to the location, there were actual large-scale battles happening in the open world that they haven't really replicated since then.
yeah true, I remember like 200 people showing up in Vol'dun and the servers dying though LOL
Dratnos and Max massively overrate Dragonflight imo. Idk anyone who looks back on Amirdrassil as a particularly good raid, most people in my raid group hated M Fyrrak and thought it was dogshit, and other people I've played with also thought the same.
Their opinion of BoD is also way off, most people I know loved BoD, thought the fights were really cool and the only thing they didn't like was that Jaina felt very overtuned. I also see similar posts on r/wow when people talk about their favorite raids. BoD typically gets brought up way more then anything else from BFA.
It seems like Dratnos and Max are way too forgiving of horribly designed bosses as long as they are tuned hard.
I love this podcast, and it is one of my top 3 watched for the year. If the bonus episode was accessible via youtube using the members program, I'd 100% pay for it, but the fact that I'd need to use a different website to subscribe for the bonus content is enough for me not to bother. Worth thinking about :)
2:17:55 does anyone know what recent information he is talking about?
Lus.sneak
I tried to find out and couldn't find anything
Im assuming hes talking about how close fyrakk was and the fact that Echo used an external script to deal with one of the harder mechanics
Not sure if meme-ing but it's because Echo cheated to win Amirdrassil raid. TLDR is Echo used a script to basically automate one of the private auras on Fyrakk. This specific mechanic was relatively difficult and even a hundred pulls in, other guilds were having early wipes because of it. Echo used an edited game file to completely bypass this issue and then immediately after winning, they gave orders to all their raiders to delete the file and in post raid interviews, they pretended like they had to deal with the private auras the same way Liquid did. It's pretty clear Liquid would have won that race if Echo hadn't cheated because on reclears, it took Echo an irregularly long time to reclear Fyrakk but no one was paying attention to reclear times because the race was over.
@@khoitrieubro can they win anything legit these days? Gifted two wins because of nerfs and then literally fucking hack the game? And then they go around beating their chest? So glad they got BODIED this entire last tier.
2:26:00 "i do think the hero talents have gone really well. They're cool, they've been getting good tuning, there's a lot of fun game play..."
meanwhile, havoc DHs are about to disable glide and jump off a cliff with blizzard cheering them on
I know you said hero talents and not the DF talents, but priests having almost the same general talent tree that they had in the first itteration of Dragonflight beta is absolutely ridiculous as well.
They added 3 new talents to replace the mindgames stuff, other than that it has never been changed since the first day of DF beta.
The yapping makes work go by so much quicker always great
Blizz should force you to choose if this group is supposed to be a completion or a time it key. That would already somewhat fix the expectation of people in keys
What surprised me was Max asking Dorki if he still had his muscles from back in the day. I assumed they knew what Dorki looks like, but I guess not.
2:51:47 I'm a paramedic and highly effective teams calmly communicate during stressful situations, it is not like tv where everyone is yelling and screaming. That doesn't work, and it kills people.
I remember looting the Pyro bracers on my fire mage doing a trial of valor normal run 2 weeks before antorus came out. For weeks I was doing every difficulty of current and old raids, all mythic 0's, world quests etc. Got my avengers shield leg legendary on my prot pally doing a eoa key. Frost dk helm a week before it got nerfed from a halls of valor, but got the empower rune weapon ring the next week from vault of the wardens. The legendary system without the vendor was so frustrating but felt so good when you would get a good legendary.
My dead last Shadow Priest legendary was the belt.
The one that enabled the spec to not overcap its cooldowns and let them properly use a 60s rotation.
Shaman ring from weekly. IFE for my Boomie at the Valajar emmissary. Keg from Darkheart Thicket. Pala legs from Valsharah Emmissary. It was so peak.
@@destrmathbig oof.
I was gonna say I had a hard time with my SPriest looting Sephuz ring as dead last drop, but not getting the belt must’ve been a big downer.
@@destrmathmy frost mages last legendary was bracers :(
low key if there was a channel membership exclusive video each week id pay, i just don't want to tab over to another website
Can someone explain z what was Max talking about when they mentioned world first in Amirdrasil?
The recent(ish) revelation that Echo used special weakauras to break Blizz's private aura settings on Fyrrak. Basically they got the kill using WAs that blatantly break blizzs terms of service.
@@AdamArchangel thats crazy wtf
The Visions of N'Zoth patch in Tol'Dagor Prison Dungeon I was Tanking as Vengeance DH and the Worgen boss where he stuns you and runs down the hall opening cells. Right before the Stun I Meta massively boosting my Max HP a Twilight Devastation proc happened as I was getting stunned. Twilight Devs Damage scaled of your Max HP. Well when the proc happened the boss ran with Twilight Dev staying in the beam the whole Beams movement getting crit multiple times and was deleted lol it was really funny.
Ngl the felcycle hunt has been keeping me engaged for the last few weeks. Not for everyone for sure, but as my first "secret" it's been a blast engaging with WoW in a different way
I don't know if it would actually end up being good stream content but I would absolutely watch Max play through the WC3 campaign since the recent fix/update.
38:00 Story time: Early this season my guild was doing a Heroic clear for Nerub-ar Palace and explicitly stated in LFG "discord required, guild run, recruiting mythic raid".
Warrior joins on Broodtwister, post discord link, we wait, post again, we wait, PM warrior and get "I don't join comms for heroic clears."
Me: Cool.. well this is a recruitment run you don't have to talk but we want people to get a feel for our environment, the purpose is to recruit.
Warrior: Why would I join comms? Heroic is easy, you don't need them. it's you're problem if you don't know the fights.
Me: Were recruiting, that the purpose of this run...
Warrior: Why would I join your guild if you cant even do heroic without comms?"
At this point I'm over it. We're 8/8, we know the fights, I don't know what this guy is going on about. I just kick him.
He pulls boss and starts harassing me in PMs.
I just hear "what an asshole" followed by "GO GO GO GO, kill the boss I wanna see if he gets a zero parse on logs."
Boss goes down easy. Dude flips out because he's trying to find a guild and now he has a super shitty average parse for that boss.
Moral of the story: Win in spite of jackasses like this, don't lose because of them.
Dratnos breaking out the customer service voice to read Blizz’s statement. 😂😂
Later Ce guilds not needing to test dmg, I have a point that y’all missed. Often times we have so much more dmg in our kills that we are able to kill a boss before a major mechanic check. For example fyrakk, you could skip multiple of the blazed line sets with your seeds out if you just did more dmg. Considering those line sets were the hardest mechanical part of the boss, being able to skip 1 or 2 of them was huge value
Please give keys 3 charges before depletion. It can't hurt the game... As a tank you can practice pulls, dps can get used to a route, you can test new stuff in a premade... Instead as it is right now, tank tries a new pull (lets say in high NW key), you wipe with bloodlust and cds and it's a gg gl next.
Legion classic comes out and the mage tower artifact appearances become an account-wide achievement everyone would end up playing classic legion. Just so they can get the appearances they missed when they were either more casual at the game, get a chance to play classes they weren't able to level up during that time cus 110 was level cap.
reddit taught me that if people say they were unfairly banned, they are lying. Majority of the time you check the comments, and they admit they did it and called the groups slurs.
Was not expecting a Jeff Nippard mention here lol
To be honest I skipped the whole tierlist and listened to everything else, good content indeed this week
Maybe a weird scenario, but i have played other games people bully to get people to leave. So they can then leave.
I wish I played this game during Legion. I started at the end of BFA but Legion seemed so sick. Here’s to hoping for a Legion remix so I can feel what it was like.
honestly it really was, didnt realise it at the time but thats the best the game has ever been imo
legion was dope af but u only knew once it was over, nowadays i regret taking a break on tomb of sargeras tier, at the time it just felt like a normal break like i do every few tiers
Legion was PEAK
Legion wasnt that great, and was the start of WoWs dark history (the most alt unfriendlyness and 3 expansions in a row of ap grinds). I think people enjoyed it because it followed WoD where there was legitimately nothing to do. The end of Legion where you could wear 3 legos was fun tho.
Id be more inclined to say that MoP would br considered the start of retail since that's when the talent system got changed so drastically.
For the first season in years, i quit within a month. Haven't unsubbed in years. M+ was the least fun possibly ever. Everything once you to a 12 was below garbage. This patch shows very clearly that the devs dont play the game. Whoever thought a stun should just have everything recasting in a few seconds does not play m+.
Same. Been an avid m+ player since legion and this season SUCKS. My entire friends list and guild is struggling to find motivation to even do weekly vault keys.
What I find interesting is each individual change they made can be looked at independently and can be seen as positive. But when you put it all together the experience in m+ is TERRIBLE.
And by the way, never in this history of wow has it been negative for tanks and healers to be strong. Stop listening to JBs neckbeard takes, that guy is an idiot.
Some of the BfA Essences were amazing. At least as Healers.
Apart from some passive DPS bonuses, we had Well of Existence which stored Healing up to your own max HP and when an ally dropped below 30% (Health% depended on Essence Rank) it would take Healing from the Well and bump it into that injured player. It also worked with HoTs so Rejuvs, Riptide, Renews and other spells were amazing as they would trigger Well whenever needed as a kind of Smart Heal.
We also had Vitality Conduit where if I healed a person the Essence would transfer HP to the target from an ally nearby and give that ally an absorb. So with a Druid's Rejuvs ticking there would be a lot of small absorbs. The Essence Major effect would also transfer Health to whoever you used it on which would override Necrotic so a Healing Immune tank could still be Healed with that Essence.
There were some Essences that you just kept because they were "the best" but you could also swap some Major and Minor essences depending on if you needed extra mana or extra throughput or some extra damage!
If they had just enabled a system to get Essences othr than their one source (I knew I would not be optimal without it but over my dead body I spent time in Arena for Blood-essence...) it would have been really great.
ya so all of ragnaros server is banned for sure, i think ive had like 10 keys this season where a rag player just leaves within 3 mins of the key starting.
Thank you for mentioning how bad Prideful affix was for PUG keys, Dorki. That ALWAYS gets overlooked in these WOW podcasts.
Biggest problem with covenants is the dramatic impact to performance and gameplay if you pick the wrong thing. The difference between races in wow is like 1% at most. The differences in covenants were crazy. And we all rightfully had 0 faith in blizzards ability to tune them
3 people who has promoted that people should leave keys if they feel like something goes wrong.
Are now finding out that blizzard does not like that.
But yes the banning is probably a very low number
I'm sure unpopular opinion, but for me 7.0 Legion was an F tier patch. I've been playing the game for 20 years and it's the only time that I've ever unsubed from the game due to being disappointed with the game. I had finally climbed the ladder and made it into top 100 raiding guids... and then my character got two worthless legendaries. That put me on perma bench, and I tried applying to other good guilds and none would take me because I didn't hit good legendaries. I ended up just quitting because the patch's RNG system basically said "you don't get to play the game in challenging content".
Legion Legendaries, as they were at launch, is the single worst thing to ever exist in World of Warcraft, and it's not close. If they brought it back exactly as is in a hypothetical 12.0 Midnight patch, the expansion would be dead on arrival no matter how good the rest of it was.
It boggles my mind that Corruption was never re-done/did not become an evergreen feature. It was clearly inspired by Diablo/hack and slash gearing and it made so much sense for WoW to spice up loot beyond having 4 stats to care about (which is really not enough). I really don't get why they don't try it again it was the only patch in WoW history where I cared about loot to that extent and could remember the name of the affixes and stuff I was looking for.
Tier list is telling me AP grind=good, and I do kinda agree. Is it nice not feeling you have to play and grind for power? Yes. However, there feels like there is nothing to do outside M+ and raids for people who only focus on those aspects. For a lot of people, rep and world quests/events are not fun, and it gives nothing other than cosmetic rewards such as mounts or tiltes. Give us a new AP grind, with the knowledge of how to implement it from Legion/BFA
There needs to be a vote to disband option for those early wipe scenarios. Some people are eternal optimist type players. There are other players are eternally efficient and want to maximize their time. Vote to disband will allow players not to get caught up in a ban wave unfairly.
I don't usually leave until it becomes apparent it's 100% untimeable.
But I was in discord with my buddy who basically only pvp's (we get him portals every season 2600+ IO or w/e) and he just let it slip that he could never get invites as a warlock so he just started bricking all the keys he could get into.
??????.
Dude's out there bricking the keys of people who were nice enough to invite him lol.
moral of the story, asshats exist and it's unfortunate lol.
You did feel the hype later in Legion, or at least to me, because you dropped just as randomly the item to trade in for the legendary you wanted.
I'll be playing Legion Classic just to remember what it felt like to play Affliction in its prime, before they fucking destroyed it.
*Yes* I was literally listening to the old dratty patch tier list a couple days ago and was wondering if there will be more 🙌
people that demand PI and leave dungeons also listen to the bench podcast
Let us pause keys to replace leavers. The dungeon already goes non-interactive on completion, so technically it can be done. Would just have to pause cooldowns as well.
For me, this expansion started STRONG. I was having fun. It ended up being too fractured, too drawn apart and I'm ready to move on.
Same man, got to 2990 io and can’t even get groups to push further. To reroll meta spec im looking at 90 dungeons. Hard to find people to make a push group with. Mythic raid being locked to groups I can’t put it either… I don’t have 6 hours a week of time I can set aside. I need to be able to log on and off when I want to. Guess wow isn’t for me anymore
@@jacobmitchell9227Sounds like you got your money worth if you made it that far. I just play a new character when I get bored, no need to rush to the same ilvl it’s all getting replaced in the next patch
Ngl usually m+ keeps me playing throughout the whole season after I get KSH cus I usually gear alts and help people/pugs out trying to earn KSM or KSH but m+ this season has just been the most unfun experience its been in a while... Like even trying to pug keys around KSM/KSH range is miserable and annoying 90% of the time and not fun.
I did all I wanted in S1 and am now chilling in classic relaunch and waiting for S2, so far TWW was quite good imo
You're not supposed to play the patch the entire duration
2:55:25 Max is referring to Colombian Footballer/soccer player Andres Escobar, who scored an own-goal at the World Cup in 1994 and was murdered about a week after he returned to his home country. There's an ESPN 30 for 30 about him and Pablo Escobar that is very interesting.
Forgot to mention, unless I missed it, that cross faction and the Creation Catalyst were added to 9.2
EDIT: And all of the great changes to Torghast! Like the Box of Many Things!
as a casual broken shore (tomb of sargeras) patch was my fav. and not because mage tower i just liked everything about the patch. the zone, the raid, the new dungeon
2 and half hour podcast, about time you boys put the work in and do a real podcast 🎉
To the engineering manager from Pateron Q: You are possibly way too focused on your "role" of being a manager and putting too much emphasis on "evaluation" processes and procedures, which is why you are asking this question. In order to not have this question, a manager needs to be heavily involved with the production that the team is doing. Really being there is what makes you aware of who is doing what and it becomes painfully obvious. As an engineer with 20 years of experience, the clueless absentee managers trying to find a "process", while being completely un-involved in any of the problem solving and general business we are doing, is among the most frustrating things about the industry, and there's way too many of these.
I personally would leave less bricked keys if they didn't give you less crests for completion. I think that goes for a lot of people as well.
I'm really happy to see that its not just me between the crowds who say, well I played BFA, yall hate it, but I actually loved the last patch it was the greatest patch for me, and well... nice to see I'm not alone on this because so much negativity is around BFA and I feel like people left before the Nzoth patch or just idk why they didn't like it, it was just stupid fun, and thats what gaming should be about.
Loved this long ass episode, good shit
Return to Kara to me is the best wow patch of all time. Not only was Legion just GOATed anyway but that mega dungeon was the best dungeon content ever added in WoW imo.
I remember turning in my wardens cashed and getting my eye been leggo. Immediately went into +20 EoA and blasting 5 EB in on pack good times
40:00 bliz can fix the whole situation by implementation a vote to abandon key feature
1:28:19 the rare Dratty F-Bomb 🤗
Omg! N’Zoth is one of the best bosses they ever made! Love that fight and it’s the one boss I had the most fun doing ever and I’ve played since vanilla release
"how do we get viewers off of your channel and onto ours?"
honestly the RWF coverage was really frustrating because it constantly took focus *away* from the race. it felt like they were recording a podcast while the RWF happened to be going on in the background.
i lost track of the amount of times i muted the official TL stream because the casters were doing a transmog contest or talking about some completely random subject *while pulls are happening in the background*. maybe once an hour, for all of five minutes, we were listening to actual raid comms and the casters were talking about what was happening on screen. so yeah, once i realized you were streaming the entire race with comms i never went back.
It's good to have the option tho. Not everyone is interested in watching 100 pulls where nothing new really happens. It's not like you're gonna miss anything since the casters tune in plenty and are most likely getting signaled by production if something is popping off in the fight while they're yapping
@@Jaybeezt13 if it was a better balance i'd agree, but while watching live it felt like damn near 80% of the time they were just chatting amongst themselves or barely acknowledging the action going on behind them.
i understand it's not gonna be all action all the time, but it's definitely a trend with livecasters (definitely not just TL) acting like podcasters instead of casting the event.
Only takeaways - Dorki is jacked and has a CS degree.
Dratnos has a ridiculously insane memory.
Ineffable Truth corruption was so insanely fun on my paladin in Visions of Nzoth
I had an idiot leave a +20 (+10 now) Shadowmoon group once because our blood lust went off 5 seconds late and it missed his opener
best episode yet
Imagine the following scenario: You have 1) a host who pretty much does only high M+ keys, 2) a host who casts the MDI for several years now and 3) a host who is the reigning RWF champion (meaning he enjoys competitive WoW the most) and you do a 3-hour-podcast.
And then ... instead of talking about MDI Globals (1 of 3 competitive events of the season), you do a patch ranking Oo The MDI really needs changes - because it seems no one seems to care about it.
1:04:18 Ironically this is a positive drawing point of the most popular Classic+ vanilla server going on. People like having salv and windfury who would have thought.
1:53:45 wait... did Dratnos just cuss??
I remember reading something a while back that players that were not top rated but good enough to get into +12 easily were intentionally joining 12s or higher and leaving after the key started to keep the season title rating down. Blizzard probably is not banning people for leaving keys after the first pull like 8 or 10 times a week. They are banning people who are leaving keys like hundreds of times a week.
Not that Max would see this, But i got into Gundam Model kits because I also couldn't find a game to get sucked into. it's actually really nice, and it's a good way to get away from a screen, while keeping my ADHD engaged
Y'all should do a "rat dungeon invitational (rdi)" where invitees get 12-48 hours on brand new ilvl 500 characters to do mdi race things and they can only use loot from dungeons they run in that period with like 50k gold to buy enchantments and stuff
I would put Eternity's End to A, I really loved this
8.2 getting A tier despite the travesty of Benthic, Eternal Palace, and adding Essence grind on top of AP grind is insane.
I'm not paying you money
thats fair
7.0 might have been my most hated patch ever, purely due to the legendaries, and how bad it felt to just get my worst ones back to back to back.
Max objectively loves to use the word “Objectively”
There is AI sentiment analysis they could use to flag people being toxic to cut down on the list of people to manually review / ban.
@ThePoddyC If interested, there is a forum post with a blue response of someone who was suspended for this (leaving keys). It has some interesting detail on how they handle it (a bit nebulous as they are somewhat vague to hide the mechanism) and the OP deleted some of his posts so it is a bit hard to follow the conversation, but you can see it is claimed to be human verified by their verbiage. I can't put the location here since it will get filtered, but let me know if yall want this and how to get it to you and I'll send it yalls way.
We gotta drop this patch to an F tier. It’s so bad Dorki is wanting to go back to gym.
Quit Legion week 4 after my guild was half way through Mythic and I had TWO! functionally bricked characters in a row due to legendary "soft"cap. I'll never accept any argument that they made the right call on that system in 7.0. (Fire Mage)
the poddyc is what the bench is supposed to be
People leaving and bricking keys happens all the time I got my KSM and now I can't be bothered to do M+. I hope this fixes it some what we will see.
You have a timer for dungeon completion. Why not a "leaver timer"? If you're not at say 50% kill count by a certain time (varies from dungeon to dungeon) it's ok to leave, no punishment. If you leave before that timer you get flagged or timeout from group finder for some period of time. You could even do if you have X deaths before the timer you can leave for free as well.
I absolutely remember my first Legion legendary
At the time I was playing the game with an IRL friend that probably remembers it too because I literally took my phone to call him and be like "IT DROPPED OMG" on phone
Lily and Reptar go so fucking hard this episode.
You guys are two days early again? 😕😕
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
2:35:15 no, I listened to the whole thing while playing classic hardcore
Maybe Dorki doesnt experience weekly key leaver because his runs are way cleaner on average.