I had this done on my 2018 Civic Hatchback Sport Touring with the CVT. I've driven about 5000 miles since then. It is a great upgrade. Acceleration at all speeds is much improved. I have had no problems with the car since flashing. I paid $350 at a local dealer. I drive the car hard in town and the highway and I'm getting 31 or 32 MPG per tank constantly. You can still press the "econ" button on the car to lower the ECU settings and squeeze some more MPG, but once you have this tune you won't drive the car slowly anymore. Great upgrade!
Wowww!! I have the silver 2016 Honda Civic Ex-t and after watching this, I need that Hondata upgrade!!(: Thanks HondaProJason for the awesome review!! You're the best!!!!
Regardless of warranty, there will be more wear and tear, especially on the CVT. CVTs are well known for failing under high torque. I would not install this if I planned on keeping the car for more than 5 years, 60k miles. You are just asking for trouble. Not to mention the added stress on the turbo. Higher bills await you in the long-run.
They are better, but still not as good as torque converter autos or dual-clutch autos. Honda actually lowers the torque and changes the throttle mapping for CVT cars compared to manuals. They don't offer many manuals in the U.S. but in the Euro market, the manual version always has higher hp and torque, and is mapped differently to deliver that power sooner. With a CVT, they change it so that the power builds a bit more gradually. Doing this mod, seems to be doing the exact opposite of what Honda itself does. I can't imagine that this will be easy on the CVT.
You can always flash it back to stock when you take it in but they can still see how many times the ecu has been flashed I believe. So it’s basically at the technicians discretion to say something. I do believe I may be wrong. I got the 10 year warranty on my SI and it’s at 1400 miles about to be voided lol
@@KennNasty yeah I just bought my first si 2020 like less then 4 week ago and got 10 years warranty on it bc I did some rearview and Honda 10. Turbo having problem with gas and oil mixture so I bought the warranty.
@@KennNasty TELL HONDA YOU WANT TO CANCEL THE WARRANTY! They will give you your money back pro rated. if they give you aissue tell them to go fuck themselves and refinance the car somewhere else and they have no choice by law because youll have a bill of sale. sold a 2018 HRV and got over 2k back.. this is for all warranties paid for and GAP insurance. youre welcome.
Just Flashed my 2008 Civic Si. It had Intake and a Catback on it already and man it really screams now. No more Rev Hang, more downlow power, and it has a louder exhaust note. It’s worth it.
I've had a flash on my ext for a couple of months already. It is definitely worth it if you want the extra power. I did also drop my mpg, I'm now getting an average of 2-3 less mpg vs before the flash.
How is the car running these days man? Just came across this video, seeing Mr. Jason's face when he takes off in the flashed car, looks fun not going to lie lol
For people thinking about buying one of these cars, the fun definitely begins right out of the dealership. A tune definitely adds power, but the fun doesn't begin there.
I am concerned about the long term effects to the longevity and durability of the engine. That much of an increase in torque in power to the stock components seems like it would cause you problems.
Cmilly it does in the stock tune (see the torque differences) but not as much in the reflash. In any case Hondata has presets for both CVT and manual transmissions (2017 offers manual turbos) so you can actually see the difference (there is one) if you check postings on the forums, their website, and youtube channel.
The CVT trans can only handle a certain amount of Lbs of Torque. The transmission actually will start slipping if you add too torque. Hondata also has a video showing a CVT trans after they have abused the car using tuner, and adding air intakes. It's certainly damaged, but they beat the crap out of the car so just don't push it too hard.
Beavey I agree , no data is just using the same tuning maps as Honda . The si should have just came with a detuned 2.0 l in the type r ad not the wimpy 1.5 liter. For almost 28k , just wait for the new accords with the turbo, maybe then they will use that 2.0 vtec .. if not I am going BMW and Dinan ....
Awesome we have a 2018 Honda Civic coupe ex-t 1.5 turbo we have a PRL intercooler PRL cold air intake PRL up pipe and down pipe Magnaflow exhaust system d2 lowering springs Eibach front and rear sway bars and a front tower strut bar boomba blowoff valve man I can’t wait to get this programmed into the car I hope this will wake it up even more
Wow neat! Now my 02' Accord can't win anymore though. I wish the sixth gen V6 Accords didn't have glass transmissions though because the J30 is such a good engine!
Yea lol seems like slightly modified or chipped 4cylinder hondas can outperform v6 hondas once slightly modded guess this is why they no longer putting v6 engines in hondas
I have a flashpro with a 2016 1.5 Turbo mated to the CVT.. The CVT has its own control unit that limits the amount of boost available from the Turbo for the purpose of not burning out the CVT.... This 1.5L Turbo is anything but whimpy, but unfortunately the CVT however is.. That being said... I f'n love the feel of the car with the Flashpro and my Injen CAI. 0-60 stock for me was about 7.6 -7.8 seconds. With just the intake and the Flashpro, 6.2 - 6.3 seconds... With a good pair of summer tires, and not the stock, not so great Continental tires that came on the car from factory. I have no doubt that I could pull sub 6 second 0-60 times. Tires no doubt will be my next upgrade. Also, where I live in central California 91 octane is all you can find.. If you live in an area with 92 or 93 octane gas available I believe you will see even better results than I have had. So all in all my point is the Hondata Flashpro is an amazing upgrade. However with the CVT it is limited somewhat by the CVT control unit on what it can do. If you want to do this upgrade, and have not yet purchased your new Civic and are on the fence as to go with the automatic or the manual, go with the manual. Honda's stick shifts are a dream to drive and there is so much more potential in aftermarket gains to be realized with the stick compared to the CVT.
Ok your wrong. IF the torque increase was 50% more it would 348 lb-ft which it obviously does not. It goes from like 174 to 215. how the hell is that 50% more. Its like 18% more
Not sure what I said which that mathematical genius was agreeing with in the first place ... I have complete faith that the Flashpro and a e-tune performed by a reputable tuner like Vipviper. My car is not only quicker as a result... I don't know how else to put it than to say the engine just feels smoother and happier as a result. I understand most buy a civic not looking for performance. They buy a civic for its value, and it's well deserved reputation of being a safe and reliable vehicle. Those are all reasons why I bought mine. I decided I'd like to get more performance out of my civic. Based on the reasons why I initially bought the car, I did an incredible amount of due diligence and research on what I can expect positively and negatively from a Flashpro with a e-tune. I did not want to sacrifice the value and reliability of my vehicle for the sake of performance. After doing my due diligence, Based on facts, based on other OWNERS, (not some chirping forum fucktard) who have done the same to their vehicle I came to the conclusion this was a safe upgrade that by itself would not jeopardize the original factors I stated above which attracted me to this vehicle. So far, I've been beyond pleased with my investment in this upgrade. Its only been positives. Some of us just want to push the envelope a little more and those that want to spout off about it for whatever their reasons might be can choke on a dick. What they spit out from the end result of doing so will be much more valuable than anything to come out of their mouth prior. 😉
The video description 'gain performance adding 49 hp & adding 79 ib-ft ofTorque' 50% of 174 lb-ft is 87. In my book that is 'almost' 50%. "This 1.5L Turbo is anything but whimpy, but unfortunately the CVT however is....your own words. I assume personal insults make you feel better about your well thought out decision to move forward with the upgrade.
Software in cars these days can make or break your driving pleasure. I had a 3.2L 260hp V6 once that had about 1 full second of hesitation when flooring it. A minor software update and the hesitation completely disappeared. 0-60 in 6.5 sec instead of 7.6 secs.
I'm sure this ain't new to cars, I have 3 of my bikes ecu/m flashed, that's what completes a stage 1 upgrade. No knock on this dude, maybe one day I'll want to track my ss and might need a stage 1 download, I guess since this car is new not a big selection of custom maps for example a K&N filter option, should kill it on the si
I also have the lx 2.0 and would like it to not lag when u first hit that first couple hundred rpgs not a fan but i couldnt afford the better models when i first got it
Dodge 318 Cummins dealer won't detected, but if your engine breaks (in general) they can send back and have the actual manufacturer to look at. And yes, there's history of how many times you re flashed it. They're not stupid, but the dealers are.
This is pretty cool, I'm sure it'll lower mpg and put more stress on the engine, but my question is how do you uninstall the software. Like, just have the software on the car for a short bit, and then uninstall it to not hurt the engine too much
Simple - it will shorten it... How much? No one can answer that - it could potentially have similar longevity, or it could possibly cause an engine knock and you're donezo :) If you want to risk your money - flash it, if you don't want to risk money, but need something faster, buy something that's faster straight out of the factory, and stay away from ECU tuning...
It's a Honda, as long as you change oil, pay for QUALITY parts, and don't rev it against a redline for extended periods on purpose like a dumbass (like all the old American Honda tuners seem to do), it will outlast you, your grandchildren and their children.
So, what are the downsides, gotchas and implications of updating the operating envelope? Does the car undergo additional stress or wear? Is the warranty impacted or voided by flashing the parameters? Premium fuel (or higher) octane requirements? Which Civics trims are eligible, and how much improvement for each? I am always skeptical of the "plug in the magic box and you're magically driving a super car" pitch.
The M/T is the only version that gains the bigger numbers. The CVT models are much smaller. HONDATA has already R&D'd the tuning and performance on the CVT models and their threshold was peeked at 250lb/ft as the steel belt slipped and scored the inner pullies. HONDATA never stated where the actual threshold really was, however I would guestimate that anywhere above 10% lb/ft of stock is just far enough (if you don't want to burn out your transmission). For $51 +shipping you can get a drop in K&N Performance Air Filter and get increased throttle response and smoother transition in acceleration. Thus, providing a false reality of increased power; rather, just getting the power sooner in the RPM band. I would not recommend adding +6psi that will not NET at least 10hp per PSI - that's just a waste - and you will just further heat soak the intercooler & radiator if you get on it vigorously. For the M/T owners it is a different story.
Also what alot of people forget about is the head bolts, if I'm gonna run a tune like this I'd want to upgrade to apr headbolts as the stock ones can stretch
hondaprojason this is a very interesting video and there are plenty of questions myself and others have about this new generation civic. It would be cool if you can answer them or provide something I'm sure most of us don't want to deal with the stealership
Definitely interested! Does this add wear/tear to your vehicle (e.g. car would normally last 10 years stock, but only 7 flashed)? Does it worsen mpg even if you drive it the same as you would stock?
213 bhp for sure because DSport Mag did a test and tune themselves with intake, intercooler, hondata ecu, and race gas and got 216whp and 237tq. they even had the owner of hondata to do the DSport Mag tune.
Will this Honda flashpro work with a 2018 civic sport touring hatchback? If you can please state some pros and cons about it thatd be great. Also another question i have is whether or not you have to use the flashpro more than once. Lastly, will this tune with the flashpro affect maintenance costs in the future? Is it safe to use and will it help improve my car overall?
No, they don't have one for the CRV. The vast majority of CRV owners don't buy them to soup them up, so it is highly unlikely that they'll waste their time coming out with a Flashpro tune for your CRV. If you really want one, trade in your CRV and get a Civic Turbo. And for the people who have the 2.0 engine, you're wasting your time as well, as the most you could get would still be less than the stock 1.5 Turbo.
I am not convinced small displacement turbo charged engines are going to be long term reliable. You get more performance but there is no free lunch. I like to have the option to zoom up the performance but how would you like to buy this car used? thank you for the video.
Atreyu Ragil Also no free lunch--either engine life goes down, fuel efficiency, or something. Turbo lag is a problem on all turbo cars, Mazda has made some interesting innovations to help with it.
@HondaPro Jason, Are those numbers right at 5:55? The civic sedan stock is 174HP/162lb-ft , but those numbers on the Hondata tuned car on the left are kinda exaggerated I assume according to the gains posted on the hondata website for the CVT +6 psi map "+25 HP and 35 lb-ft torque"... 162 + 35 = 197lb-ft right? the end results should be close to the stock specs of a Civic Si around 199hp/197lb-ft for base trims and 205hp/196lb-ft for the hatchback sport trim...
@@alansmilealot I have the sport manual, it still does this. I haven't had issues turning onto roads, though. Another one to think about is the rev hang on upshifts; it was jarring after 6 years with a cable-driven throttle.
It's amazing how much engineering Honda put it to that little 1.5T. I have a boosted EK Civic coupe with a B18B1 and I really want a 17 Civic with the 1.5t. Does it come in a manual or is the turbo engine CVT only?
If you're not flooring the car all the time, and only use the tune sparingly, there's really not much chance you'll damage the engine or transmission.... If you beat the crap out of it at every stop light, you'll most likely kill the car pretty quickly.
he mentioned you might be able too get it done at a dealer, so it may not void warranty . Plus, if you get it done, and let's say bring it in for a oil change, they won't know.most likely improve mpg,.
yes and no...lol...its from honda so they wouldnt do anything to void warranty...im sure id be happy with the stock version getting its best potential milage...general rule of thumb is if you go faster you burn more fuel...usually way more...the old 99 si i used to drive got 24mpg at best and the regular one got like 30+
mluu510 I have a stock civic coupe 1.5 cvt , it depends on how you drive your car , I've been getting mid 13s which is ridiculous, but so is my driving 😂
Hondata is worth the money. Would be great for manual gear box civic. Not sure how the CVT would hold up with that much torque increase over time?! And then the warranty concern...
3 Questions. 1. How does it, if at all, effect a lease agreement? 2. How does it effect your engine and turbocharger long term? 3. Does the Hondata Flash Pro have to stay plugged into the OBD at all times?
So he says soon we will be able to get it done at a honda dealer. i'm assuming if it's done by a dealership the warranty won't be voided? And i wonder what the time frame is until the dealer can do the tune.
Yes but your cars black box data will show that the car was exceeding it's limits. The manufactures are not that stupid, they know people chip the vehicle and then restore the settings before carrying it back under warranty.
Most ECU re-flash requires you to unlock the ECU by sending it to hondata or K-tuner. You will need to pull the ecu, send it to them, and buy their device. It will cost around 400-600 USD. The dealership will read the ECU for any changes on the ECU. Most of the time if you need major engine work or transmission work under warranty Honda will require a ECU read to see if any changes are made, they will void your warranty claim if they find you modified the ECU. There is no advantage, in my opinion, on a vehicle that is not going to be tracked but rather used as a daily.
googlewolly your right but thats what you select when you are going to use your paddle shifters and I think I saw it somewhere Honda refers to it as shift
I have a 2016 Honda Civic Touring and I would never do anything like this. At first it might seem like a no brainer to add some "free" power to the vehicle, but doing this is no different than overclocking a CPU in a PC. Honda purposefully "under-powers" their motors to give them an extended lifespan. With this mod, I would foresee a premature engine failure because of accelerated wear to components.
Jason Caprio yup you got a point there but in sure it'll hang just fine. The new si will carry the same engine just tuned differently. I would worry about the cvt but not the engine it self
Jason Caprio hondas on their own are some of the most reliable cars out there, on top of that the civic is the most popular tuning platform. A brand new car with knock detection and brand new ECU management will have no problem handling 40 extra HP with no problems down the line. Concerns for the transmission would really only come after the 280whp range id guess and the engine itself would be even higher than that which as of right now is barely achievable with our aftermarket
overclocking a cpu doesn't reduce the lifespan that bad. You'll be getting a new computer before you burn out the cpu assuming you know what you're doing.
One thing to remember is how well Honda engines are built. They are built to be reliable under all stress. This engine can easily run 8000+ rpms all day and yet its limited far lower than that. Yes it is more stress on the engine, but not anything significant that you will notice in the long run. They are already built to handle far more stress than what the factory limits you to.
I just tuned my 1.5T Civic Sedan Touring, and just as HondaPro Jason said, the upgrade is a no-brainer. I haven't even touched the hardware and I can now actually keep up with Audi's and Beemer 3's and Golf GTI's (my arch-nemesis..lol) My question, though, has there been any reports of long term usage of custom ECU settings? Anyone report damaged engine components or transmission problems?
Before computers, engines are built for power and removing a computer to regulate that power isn't going to damage the engine for using it for its full potential but, it would reduce wear by having the right upgrades like an RC Air Intake System, upgrade the belt, and allow more air into the engine by changing ventilation upon the frame. Fast cars are fully ventilated, and the concept is airflow.
Jason, this video seems irresponsible. You don't speak about warranty, engine wear, uninstall, gas mileage, disclaimers, why Honda didn't go this route, etc. I am so sure this company had every one of these answers at their finger tips. We tune in to get quick answers and insight from HondaPro right? There are a lot of simple things that could have been included that were left to the viewer to wonder about or try to research if they cared enough... I guess you were paid but what about your viewers ?
In this video, Jason Statham reluctantly operates a CVT.
Lmfao
Why I see this comment I am now not longer to correct my mind this dude is someone else anymore XDD
Been following Jason for quite some time and i never think that he would be a Jason Statham look alike, cannot unsee this now 🤣
Just couldn't help urself 🤣🤣🤣
Civic needs more CRANK, M8!!!!
Me: *turns off econ*
Daaaannnngggg it’s like a new car.
Yeah that definitely makes the car more responsive
Sarath SunilDutt I call it granny mode, ha. It’s what I use on cross-country drives, to hopefully eke out a couple more MPG.
😂 me when time to speed!
So true though 🤣
Don’t forget about sport mode
I had this done on my 2018 Civic Hatchback Sport Touring with the CVT. I've driven about 5000 miles since then. It is a great upgrade. Acceleration at all speeds is much improved. I have had no problems with the car since flashing. I paid $350 at a local dealer. I drive the car hard in town and the highway and I'm getting 31 or 32 MPG per tank constantly. You can still press the "econ" button on the car to lower the ECU settings and squeeze some more MPG, but once you have this tune you won't drive the car slowly anymore. Great upgrade!
Aron Garrison updates ? I have the same car from the same year and can’t make my mind up please drop some knowledge my nigga 😂
Yea do you have any updates, I kinda have been waiting a long while to do mine :)
I have the 2019 Civic Hatch EX Nd definitely looking into this. Are you using Hondata, Ktuner? How about warranties? They go out the door huh ? Lol
@@Madein-zl3sj have you done it yet, is have the same model
Still running?
Had this done yesterday im realy glad i did. It does actually throw you in your seat. Dealer told me added 6lbs of boost.
Have you tried adding more? Is it safe?
@@meetgabriel1547 from what they told me the lower one was safe to have without even a tune. The more expensive one requires a tune
@@marcusxavier4436 so this is the safe one? You have any extra mods? Intake?
Plot twist. He puts it on sport mode and made you think twice. 🤣
B ride Up how awesome is that??
Lol
He fooled me😑
It was second gear not sport mode
Amazing, when Civic 1.5 owners realize what the car can do when you take off econ mode and put it in sport mode 😁
The CVT maintains the engine around the torque peak between 3,000-3,500 rpm, ensuring that extra torque is always available.
Wowww!! I have the silver 2016 Honda Civic Ex-t and after watching this, I need that Hondata upgrade!!(: Thanks HondaProJason for the awesome review!! You're the best!!!!
Thank you for adding more fun into my life Jason!
"Enough power" coming from the guy with the type R! Good vid.
Regardless of warranty, there will be more wear and tear, especially on the CVT. CVTs are well known for failing under high torque. I would not install this if I planned on keeping the car for more than 5 years, 60k miles. You are just asking for trouble. Not to mention the added stress on the turbo. Higher bills await you in the long-run.
They are better, but still not as good as torque converter autos or dual-clutch autos. Honda actually lowers the torque and changes the throttle mapping for CVT cars compared to manuals. They don't offer many manuals in the U.S. but in the Euro market, the manual version always has higher hp and torque, and is mapped differently to deliver that power sooner. With a CVT, they change it so that the power builds a bit more gradually. Doing this mod, seems to be doing the exact opposite of what Honda itself does. I can't imagine that this will be easy on the CVT.
6MT problem solved.
valid point. but wouldnt you agree that'd only be a major problem if you were constantly launching the hell out of the car?
You are right, better to do on the manual, but the engine is going to have to work harder.
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I will mod mine after 5 years. I just bought mine 2 weeks ago. It might void the warranty 😂
That what I'm trying fiuger out too some say it wont void or say yes it bound your warranty
You can always flash it back to stock when you take it in but they can still see how many times the ecu has been flashed I believe. So it’s basically at the technicians discretion to say something. I do believe I may be wrong. I got the 10 year warranty on my SI and it’s at 1400 miles about to be voided lol
@@KennNasty yeah I just bought my first si 2020 like less then 4 week ago and got 10 years warranty on it bc I did some rearview and Honda 10. Turbo having problem with gas and oil mixture so I bought the warranty.
@@KennNasty TELL HONDA YOU WANT TO CANCEL THE WARRANTY! They will give you your money back pro rated. if they give you aissue tell them to go fuck themselves and refinance the car somewhere else and they have no choice by law because youll have a bill of sale. sold a 2018 HRV and got over 2k back.. this is for all warranties paid for and GAP insurance. youre welcome.
I have 2020 Rs Turbo civic, I want to do this but not sure cause what if it gives bad average ? And does it affect engine or sale ?
thanks for the demo Jason! I will consider getting this once my warranty is up haha
Has a Macbook, shows instructions to program on Windows 7 xD
AndrewAdam21 u CAN run windows on macs
This was also the era of midrange windows laptops that try to look like macbooks
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I can truly say I love my 2016 civic touring. I love it more and more everyday! Where did you purchase that jacket?
Not only more power, more sound too!
Just Flashed my 2008 Civic Si. It had Intake and a Catback on it already and man it really screams now. No more Rev Hang, more downlow power, and it has a louder exhaust note. It’s worth it.
I've had a flash on my ext for a couple of months already. It is definitely worth it if you want the extra power. I did also drop my mpg, I'm now getting an average of 2-3 less mpg vs before the flash.
eric herrera how much did it cost?
on their website it says $675 or so
And is that due to just because you want to floor it more often or does it really just lower it?
more power more energ
How is the car running these days man? Just came across this video, seeing Mr. Jason's face when he takes off in the flashed car, looks fun not going to lie lol
For people thinking about buying one of these cars, the fun definitely begins right out of the dealership. A tune definitely adds power, but the fun doesn't begin there.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this exact same video for the Type R. Very informative stuff. Thank you !
Imagine paying for a type r and having to beg for tuning chip advice on youtube. 😂😂😂
I am concerned about the long term effects to the longevity and durability of the engine. That much of an increase in torque in power to the stock components seems like it would cause you problems.
There is a video from Hondata where they are saying that the engine and transmission were tested for a year by them.
Upgrade to apr headbolts, thank me later 🙏
The CVT is probably gonna limit the hell out of ya
Cmilly it does in the stock tune (see the torque differences) but not as much in the reflash. In any case Hondata has presets for both CVT and manual transmissions (2017 offers manual turbos) so you can actually see the difference (there is one) if you check postings on the forums, their website, and youtube channel.
Cmilly or fuck the cvt up all together I found manual shifting is smoother than the cpu
Wait why would the cvt limit you? I heard the cvt might even be faster than the manual sport...
The CVT trans can only handle a certain amount of Lbs of Torque. The transmission actually will start slipping if you add too torque. Hondata also has a video showing a CVT trans after they have abused the car using tuner, and adding air intakes. It's certainly damaged, but they beat the crap out of the car so just don't push it too hard.
Sheesh, if this boosts power this much in the regular Civic 1.5, imagine what would happen if a 2017/18 Si would be tuned 🔥
ThatGearHead Well the civic si will probably be squeezing a lot more out of the engine so a tune may not rt that much more out of it.
Beavey I agree , no data is just using the same tuning maps as Honda . The si should have just came with a detuned 2.0 l in the type r ad not the wimpy 1.5 liter. For almost 28k , just wait for the new accords with the turbo, maybe then they will use that 2.0 vtec .. if not I am going BMW and Dinan ....
ThatGearHead. same thing with the vw and APR tune
Do you guys know when it comes out
ThatGearHead same results
Holy shit. Good stuff. I’ll look forward to something like this for my touring model.
there’s a hair on my screen
Awesome we have a 2018 Honda Civic coupe ex-t 1.5 turbo we have a PRL intercooler PRL cold air intake PRL up pipe and down pipe Magnaflow exhaust system d2 lowering springs Eibach front and rear sway bars and a front tower strut bar boomba blowoff valve man I can’t wait to get this programmed into the car I hope this will wake it up even more
Well? Did it wake it up?
Did it wake it up
As always, hondata flashpro is always the best mod for the money.
Those are incredible numbers from just a reflash! Nice!
Wow neat! Now my 02' Accord can't win anymore though. I wish the sixth gen V6 Accords didn't have glass transmissions though because the J30 is such a good engine!
Yea lol seems like slightly modified or chipped 4cylinder hondas can outperform v6 hondas once slightly modded guess this is why they no longer putting v6 engines in hondas
Sweet! Norm Reeves is where I bought my civic 2018 I highly recommend them if your in California
I have a flashpro with a 2016 1.5 Turbo mated to the CVT..
The CVT has its own control unit that limits the amount of boost available from the Turbo for the purpose of not burning out the CVT.... This 1.5L Turbo is anything but whimpy, but unfortunately the CVT however is..
That being said...
I f'n love the feel of the car with the Flashpro and my Injen CAI. 0-60 stock for me was about 7.6 -7.8 seconds. With just the intake and the Flashpro, 6.2 - 6.3 seconds...
With a good pair of summer tires, and not the stock, not so great Continental tires that came on the car from factory. I have no doubt that I could pull sub 6 second 0-60 times. Tires no doubt will be my next upgrade.
Also, where I live in central California 91 octane is all you can find.. If you live in an area with 92 or 93 octane gas available I believe you will see even better results than I have had.
So all in all my point is the Hondata Flashpro is an amazing upgrade. However with the CVT it is limited somewhat by the CVT control unit on what it can do.
If you want to do this upgrade, and have not yet purchased your new Civic and are on the fence as to go with the automatic or the manual, go with the manual. Honda's stick shifts are a dream to drive and there is so much more potential in aftermarket gains to be realized with the stick compared to the CVT.
Agree...Increase of torque by almost 50% will definitely limit your CVT transmission life.
Ok your wrong. IF the torque increase was 50% more it would 348 lb-ft which it obviously does not. It goes from like 174 to 215. how the hell is that 50% more. Its like 18% more
lol 50%
Not sure what I said which that mathematical genius was agreeing with in the first place ...
I have complete faith that the Flashpro and a e-tune performed by a reputable tuner like Vipviper. My car is not only quicker as a result... I don't know how else to put it than to say the engine just feels smoother and happier as a result.
I understand most buy a civic not looking for performance. They buy a civic for its value, and it's well deserved reputation of being a safe and reliable vehicle. Those are all reasons why I bought mine. I decided I'd like to get more performance out of my civic. Based on the reasons why I initially bought the car, I did an incredible amount of due diligence and research on what I can expect positively and negatively from a Flashpro with a e-tune. I did not want to sacrifice the value and reliability of my vehicle for the sake of performance.
After doing my due diligence, Based on facts, based on other OWNERS, (not some chirping forum fucktard) who have done the same to their vehicle I came to the conclusion this was a safe upgrade that by itself would not jeopardize the original factors I stated above which attracted me to this vehicle.
So far, I've been beyond pleased with my investment in this upgrade. Its only been positives.
Some of us just want to push the envelope a little more and those that want to spout off about it for whatever their reasons might be can choke on a dick. What they spit out from the end result of doing so will be much more valuable than anything to come out of their mouth prior. 😉
The video description 'gain performance adding 49 hp & adding 79 ib-ft ofTorque' 50% of 174 lb-ft is 87. In my book that is 'almost' 50%. "This 1.5L Turbo is anything but whimpy, but unfortunately the CVT however is....your own words. I assume personal insults make you feel better about your well thought out decision to move forward with the upgrade.
Software in cars these days can make or break your driving pleasure. I had a 3.2L 260hp V6 once that had about 1 full second of hesitation when flooring it. A minor software update and the hesitation completely disappeared. 0-60 in 6.5 sec instead of 7.6 secs.
How about some software for my 2018 that increases fuel economy and eliminates the phony "shift points" for CVTs?
@hondapro Jason no homo but I love you. You're so entertaining to watch and it's nice to watch a true Honda enthusiast
Does this work on the 2017 CR-V? Since it has a 1.5 turbo as well? is fuel economy lost when you drive conservatively?
tahjo7 lol crv
tahjo7 no fuel economy goes up by 2-3 mpg if you drive the same as before
Chris Huber How does it go up?
Because if your car has more power but same weight it's easier on the engine to pick up and the forces of nature are more easily worked against
Pretty simple physics just like if you get low rolling resistance tires it lessens friction and reduces forces applied
After you flash the civic will the Eco-mode run as efficiently as before?
Awesome, I hope they make this available for the CRV turbo. It'd be a sweet daily sleeper.
Thanks Jason, this will be a must for my civic very soon. Did you ever do anything with the "choptop" footage we shot?
I'm sure this ain't new to cars, I have 3 of my bikes ecu/m flashed, that's what completes a stage 1 upgrade. No knock on this dude, maybe one day I'll want to track my ss and might need a stage 1 download, I guess since this car is new not a big selection of custom maps for example a K&N filter option, should kill it on the si
Love my 2019 (uk) civic sport182 bhp and manual transmission plus bluespark tunning box 240 bhp from a 1.5 turbo
Is it available only for the turbo version or is it available for the LX 2.0 L base model as well?
Did you ever get an answer?
Brandon Brincefield doesn’t seem like it. I was gonna ask the same thing.
I also have the lx 2.0 and would like it to not lag when u first hit that first couple hundred rpgs not a fan but i couldnt afford the better models when i first got it
This is cool! Can you do any updating like this on a 2013 Honda Civic?
I wonder if this tuner/chip voids the warranty. It does in about every diesel truck.
Dodge 318 Cummins of course it does. But they are impossible to detect if you re flash to stock before going back to dealer
Dodge 318 Cummins dealer won't detected, but if your engine breaks (in general) they can send back and have the actual manufacturer to look at. And yes, there's history of how many times you re flashed it. They're not stupid, but the dealers are.
i see you everywhere holy shit
Sparkle Dust who me?
Can you use for a Honda with out a turbo? I wanna use it for cold air intake and new exhaust
That's awesome! How much can the transmission take before having to upgrade it?
I've heard up to around 300HP
ThatGearHead is that confirmed? I'm really considering tuning my civic but it's a lease and I'm worried about reliability
ruskeee a lease that's brilliant.. lol. Oh yes 3000hp it's definitely confirmed dumbass
ruskeee someone is definitely a wizard I'm thinking it's you
ruskeee still yet to show all your brilliance on available hondata products
Haha pure joy. Awesome I need to get hondata when I get my hatchback
This is pretty cool, I'm sure it'll lower mpg and put more stress on the engine, but my question is how do you uninstall the software. Like, just have the software on the car for a short bit, and then uninstall it to not hurt the engine too much
You can always reflash your car back to stock with hondata
Does the hondata software wear down the car in the long term or does any damage to the car later on?
How would this effect the longevity of the car?
Simple - it will shorten it... How much? No one can answer that - it could potentially have similar longevity, or it could possibly cause an engine knock and you're donezo :)
If you want to risk your money - flash it, if you don't want to risk money, but need something faster, buy something that's faster straight out of the factory, and stay away from ECU tuning...
It's a Honda, as long as you change oil, pay for QUALITY parts, and don't rev it against a redline for extended periods on purpose like a dumbass (like all the old American Honda tuners seem to do), it will outlast you, your grandchildren and their children.
Great but any short or long term effects like heating problems, oil temp, turbo temp or over wear of parts that can last long?
how does the torque/horsepower dyno curve change? could you do a before and after? the peak numbers are excellent, but might not tell the whole story.
the lack of response during turn in and off the line is probably the work of that cvt
honda pro jason , would I lose my warranty if I used this on my civic 1.5 ?
Yes
no you wouldn't. however definitely take off before taking it to a honda dealership for maintenance
@@GabrielHernandez84 Honda can see whenever you flash your car. It pops up upon check in.
That's very cool Jason
So, what are the downsides, gotchas and implications of updating the operating envelope?
Does the car undergo additional stress or wear?
Is the warranty impacted or voided by flashing the parameters?
Premium fuel (or higher) octane requirements?
Which Civics trims are eligible, and how much improvement for each?
I am always skeptical of the "plug in the magic box and you're magically driving a super car" pitch.
I have the same exact concerns
same here.. I don't really believe in these plug in plays unless i get concrete points and explanations for it's pros and cons
How was this 5 years ago?
norm reeves honda dealer pointed me to this!!! this will be my first upgrade.
EJ6 Panda You have a nice hatch
Thanks. Is that your blue eg hatch? Thats clean also!!
EJ6 Panda no i can't even drive but its my dream car. Thx
i have a video of my hatch posted if u want to check it out.
EJ6 Panda glady dude
The M/T is the only version that gains the bigger numbers. The CVT models are much smaller. HONDATA has already R&D'd the tuning and performance on the CVT models and their threshold was peeked at 250lb/ft as the steel belt slipped and scored the inner pullies. HONDATA never stated where the actual threshold really was, however I would guestimate that anywhere above 10% lb/ft of stock is just far enough (if you don't want to burn out your transmission). For $51 +shipping you can get a drop in K&N Performance Air Filter and get increased throttle response and smoother transition in acceleration. Thus, providing a false reality of increased power; rather, just getting the power sooner in the RPM band. I would not recommend adding +6psi that will not NET at least 10hp per PSI - that's just a waste - and you will just further heat soak the intercooler & radiator if you get on it vigorously. For the M/T owners it is a different story.
I'm still stock and all I did was downpipe and intake and I'm currently happy 😁, getting a boost gauge soon to see my boost levels
Also what alot of people forget about is the head bolts, if I'm gonna run a tune like this I'd want to upgrade to apr headbolts as the stock ones can stretch
Insane! Way to go hondata!
hondaprojason this is a very interesting video and there are plenty of questions myself and others have about this new generation civic. It would be cool if you can answer them or provide something I'm sure most of us don't want to deal with the stealership
Definitely interested! Does this add wear/tear to your vehicle (e.g. car would normally last 10 years stock, but only 7 flashed)? Does it worsen mpg even if you drive it the same as you would stock?
6 years late but yes if u constantly push it to its limit and yes it might worsen the mpg but not significantly at all if u drive it casually
@@kucingcalicowhat if you drive it casually but here and there stepping on it ? Got one today for my Acura integra 2023
213 bhp for sure because DSport Mag did a test and tune themselves with intake, intercooler, hondata ecu, and race gas and got 216whp and 237tq. they even had the owner of hondata to do the DSport Mag tune.
Will this Honda flashpro work with a 2018 civic sport touring hatchback? If you can please state some pros and cons about it thatd be great. Also another question i have is whether or not you have to use the flashpro more than once. Lastly, will this tune with the flashpro affect maintenance costs in the future? Is it safe to use and will it help improve my car overall?
I own that car. The two questions that come to mind is will it still pass a smog check and will that void the warranty? Thanks
You're my Role Model 👌🏽
does it work to my 2017 honda crv?
No, they don't have one for the CRV. The vast majority of CRV owners don't buy them to soup them up, so it is highly unlikely that they'll waste their time coming out with a Flashpro tune for your CRV. If you really want one, trade in your CRV and get a Civic Turbo. And for the people who have the 2.0 engine, you're wasting your time as well, as the most you could get would still be less than the stock 1.5 Turbo.
I am not convinced small displacement turbo charged engines are going to be long term reliable.
You get more performance but there is no free lunch.
I like to have the option to zoom up the performance but how would you like to buy this car used?
thank you for the video.
*WARRANTY VOIDED*
How awesome is that?!
Atreyu Ragil Also no free lunch--either engine life goes down, fuel efficiency, or something. Turbo lag is a problem on all turbo cars, Mazda has made some interesting innovations to help with it.
@HondaPro Jason,
Are those numbers right at 5:55?
The civic sedan stock is 174HP/162lb-ft , but those numbers on the Hondata tuned car on the left are kinda exaggerated I assume according to the gains posted on the hondata website for the CVT +6 psi map "+25 HP and 35 lb-ft torque"... 162 + 35 = 197lb-ft right? the end results should be close to the stock specs of a Civic Si around 199hp/197lb-ft for base trims and 205hp/196lb-ft for the hatchback sport trim...
Got to admit that the hesitation when you're pulling out of a turn is worrying. Does the FlashPro take that away or no?
The Honda Steve is that the case with the manual?
@@alansmilealot I have the sport manual, it still does this. I haven't had issues turning onto roads, though. Another one to think about is the rev hang on upshifts; it was jarring after 6 years with a cable-driven throttle.
just bought a new 2021 Civic Touring - can you do a "mods" video for this? PLEEEASSSE
is there anything that can be done to enhance the 2016 Honda Civic LX model?
Did you ever get an answer?
It's amazing how much engineering Honda put it to that little 1.5T. I have a boosted EK Civic coupe with a B18B1 and I really want a 17 Civic with the 1.5t. Does it come in a manual or is the turbo engine CVT only?
Called Hondata voids warranty he says they are trying to get Honda to approve it it will void any warranty you have at this time.
If you're not flooring the car all the time, and only use the tune sparingly, there's really not much chance you'll damage the engine or transmission.... If you beat the crap out of it at every stop light, you'll most likely kill the car pretty quickly.
That's in any car though.
My dealer now does this for you!!!
Is that all you have to do? I have a 15 Civic Si and are thinking about it.
Will the flash pro work for the civic si 17?
What does the new flash do to your MPG?? What if anything is the down side ?? What is your air in take recommendations? Do a video with that.
@HondaPro Jason
Don't you notice the odd grinding noise when warm start the 1.5t?
There is none. A purr you mean? It always does that
Macbook works?
Will this system work with a non turbo 2019 Honda Civic Sport? Thanks!
I didn't expect that much of an increase.
does this worsen mpg? voids warranty?
he mentioned you might be able too get it done at a dealer, so it may not void warranty . Plus, if you get it done, and let's say bring it in for a oil change, they won't know.most likely improve mpg,.
yes and no...lol...its from honda so they wouldnt do anything to void warranty...im sure id be happy with the stock version getting its best potential milage...general rule of thumb is if you go faster you burn more fuel...usually way more...the old 99 si i used to drive got 24mpg at best and the regular one got like 30+
mluu510 I have a stock civic coupe 1.5 cvt , it depends on how you drive your car , I've been getting mid 13s which is ridiculous, but so is my driving 😂
This for sure voids the warranty, Hondata isn't associated directly with Honda? Unless something has changed.
If it's done from your local dealer is does NOT void the warranty. If you take it your own shop or do it yourself it can void your warranty.
Hondata is worth the money. Would be great for manual gear box civic. Not sure how the CVT would hold up with that much torque increase over time?! And then the warranty concern...
Hi Jason, is it possible for us to flash back to stock Ecu setting ? Thanks for you videos!
Yes
Hey Jason, what do you think of the 2020 Honda Civic lx 2.0L 6speed?? Thanks
3 Questions.
1. How does it, if at all, effect a lease agreement?
2. How does it effect your engine and turbocharger long term?
3. Does the Hondata Flash Pro have to stay plugged into the OBD at all times?
This would definitely decrease the life span of the engine and turbo
So he says soon we will be able to get it done at a honda dealer. i'm assuming if it's done by a dealership the warranty won't be voided? And i wonder what the time frame is until the dealer can do the tune.
is the process reversible?
Huy B I'm pretty sure they have a back to default settings on the device... I'd assume
yes, it's 100% Reversible.
Huy B yes there's an option to return to stock
Yes but your cars black box data will show that the car was exceeding it's limits. The manufactures are not that stupid, they know people chip the vehicle and then restore the settings before carrying it back under warranty.
Most ECU re-flash requires you to unlock the ECU by sending it to hondata or K-tuner. You will need to pull the ecu, send it to them, and buy their device.
It will cost around 400-600 USD. The dealership will read the ECU for any changes on the ECU. Most of the time if you need major engine work or transmission work under warranty Honda will require a ECU read to see if any changes are made, they will void your warranty claim if they find you modified the ECU.
There is no advantage, in my opinion, on a vehicle that is not going to be tracked but rather used as a daily.
Even if you flash it back to normal?
Can you show us one with the 2018 accord 2.0t plz
how you doing this on a mac, but using a windows operating system
you can download & run Windows on your Mac. when you start up the laptop you can choose what operating system to use.
@@HondaProJason will doing this to my 40,000 mile 2016 1.5t mess up the engine?
He’s lying he just put it in sport mode 😂
It's actually "S." Honda never refers to it as "Sport."
S stands for shift mode
@@robertgraham5486 I don't think that it's officially that either. Honda always refers to it as "S."
googlewolly your right but thats what you select when you are going to use your paddle shifters and I think I saw it somewhere Honda refers to it as shift
@@robertgraham5486 Yes, that's what you need when using the paddle shifters.
mannnnnn i saw the cameraman almost lose his camera from the torque. holy cow i want one
I have a 2016 Honda Civic Touring and I would never do anything like this. At first it might seem like a no brainer to add some "free" power to the vehicle, but doing this is no different than overclocking a CPU in a PC. Honda purposefully "under-powers" their motors to give them an extended lifespan. With this mod, I would foresee a premature engine failure because of accelerated wear to components.
Jason Caprio yup you got a point there but in sure it'll hang just fine. The new si will carry the same engine just tuned differently. I would worry about the cvt but not the engine it self
Jason Caprio hondas on their own are some of the most reliable cars out there, on top of that the civic is the most popular tuning platform. A brand new car with knock detection and brand new ECU management will have no problem handling 40 extra HP with no problems down the line. Concerns for the transmission would really only come after the 280whp range id guess and the engine itself would be even higher than that which as of right now is barely achievable with our aftermarket
overclocking a cpu doesn't reduce the lifespan that bad. You'll be getting a new computer before you burn out the cpu assuming you know what you're doing.
sportagus3 true but it those degrade the CPU regardless.
One thing to remember is how well Honda engines are built. They are built to be reliable under all stress. This engine can easily run 8000+ rpms all day and yet its limited far lower than that.
Yes it is more stress on the engine, but not anything significant that you will notice in the long run. They are already built to handle far more stress than what the factory limits you to.
I just tuned my 1.5T Civic Sedan Touring, and just as HondaPro Jason said, the upgrade is a no-brainer. I haven't even touched the hardware and I can now actually keep up with Audi's and Beemer 3's and Golf GTI's (my arch-nemesis..lol) My question, though, has there been any reports of long term usage of custom ECU settings? Anyone report damaged engine components or transmission problems?
Same car here 2018 untuned and those golf gtis rn are my arch nemesis also
This also works with the hatch right?
Tech Defender Yes for all the 1.5 turbos coupe, sedan and hatchback
Make a video on civic's aftermarket upgrades, is it possible to instal civic coupe sports' body kits on a sedan?
We need this for 2017 crv. honda really screwed up city driving.
Before computers, engines are built for power and removing a computer to regulate that power isn't going to damage the engine for using it for its full potential but, it would reduce wear by having the right upgrades like an RC Air Intake System, upgrade the belt, and allow more air into the engine by changing ventilation upon the frame. Fast cars are fully ventilated, and the concept is airflow.
someone knows if this function for the 2.0L?
love your vids im really diggin that 2017 honda civic sport hatch was wondering if you could do a test drive vid
Jason, this video seems irresponsible. You don't speak about warranty, engine wear, uninstall, gas mileage, disclaimers, why Honda didn't go this route, etc. I am so sure this company had every one of these answers at their finger tips. We tune in to get quick answers and insight from HondaPro right? There are a lot of simple things that could have been included that were left to the viewer to wonder about or try to research if they cared enough... I guess you were paid but what about your viewers ?
In it for the money..Knowing in the long run not go for your car.
How much? 40 hp and 80 torque is amazing