Boosting to the Limits of the Civic's TD03 Turbo | 2017 Honda Civic Test n Tune
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Bolt-on parts max out the stock turbo, full article here...
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We’re impressed with the performance capability of the new turbo Civic. Straight from the showroom floor, this iteration of the Civic easily beats all previous generations making it even more rewarding to modify
Finally a video that’s not about the Si or the Type R. Well done.
Yes Honda made one hell of an engine. I’m glad I own one and have many years to tweak it.
I want to put AK20C in my 2017 EXT. I would get all of the features and the speed!
Anything that is not a SI or a Type R is pointless!! Waste of money and time!
Love seeing the progress and attention the new civics are getting!
Not really progress, it makes less power than a stock D series with a turbo around this size lmao
Jimster480 fuel efficiency bro
mehftv but they aren't more efficient than the D16/d15 cars of 20 years ago....
Jimster480 but it has more power, weighs more, and has more features than 20 years ago. Don't try comparing it.
The features suck, the transmissions are worse, the suspensions are horrible and the cars are fat tanks that ride like ass.
You are right there is no comparison, Honda in 2017 = trash
It is absolutely astonishing how great Hondata tunes have been and has always been.
Javier showed up at IFO Bakersfield with the CVT 1.5 Turbo Civic Touring model and was clicking of Mid 14's all day with just the Hondata flash. Nice work!
stock tires and suspension?
Anthony Thomas yes!
I'm a complete car noob but i'm interested in what you're saying. So with just the hondata flash, this guy in the civic touring did WHAT? :|
Magnum we all start somewhere man. No need to be a dick.
Peak power lower than peak torque on last run..screaming for a bigger down pipe and exhaust IMO....
hondatrix I think Honda did some crazy design with this turbo setup and it's actually part of the intake manifold or some shit. I don't know if there's a way to go bigger due to this or else they probably would've. or there just isn't any aftermarket support yet
+Jeff Grigos it's actually part of the exhaust " manifold " / downpipe and has a plastic inlet tube running to it. This is very common for loads of manufacturers., and simple machining of the compressor or turbine housings can be done to allow volume increase, or simple changes to the number of blades per impeller could also be done, as was done years ago in F1 for different altitudes and tracks.
But is in the integrated exhaust manifold style found in the 9th gen Civic SI, the one that is practically cast into the engine block?
Cast as part of the cylinder head, yes. Done to cut costs, reduce parts count, decrease cat warm up time and also to make the engine slightly more compact.
hondatrix PRL Motorsports sells them.
Back in my days a 95 Civic Ex with 127hp was really something. Now Civic gets a turbo at 200 plus hp? Dam I'm old
keep in mind its a 1.5
I bet prl intake is better
big honda fan, but i hate the direction honda is going...small displacement motors with a baby turbo...i want to see 2.0 or 2.4 liter high reving agressive NA setups..just give us the rsx and s2k back!!
dannyb20 vtec emissions n fuel consumption rules kill us :(
joanes bryan Well what we emit will literally kill us
ive been waitn on a k24 turbo 2.4l
dannyb20 vtec I know I wasn't the only one! could you imagine if they just turboed the k24 in the 9th gen si
dannyb20 vtec isn't the Type R arriving soon? There is you K20s
You need a bigger exhaust. Why put more breathing up front but no way to get that extra air out if you didn't add a bigger free flowing exhaust.
man what a civic, it will be another 15 years before I can afford one...
thats the current state of the auto market as a whole
I hope I understood this right and the first step was just remapping without any hardware adjustment and it boosted the engine by 20 horsepower? It seems like more than enough in most daily scenarios provided limited engine changes. Of course, you can do more but they point out that the stock clutch might not take more torque. I would like to know if this mapping exercise would be safe for a CVT transmission. I remember Hodata's clip on the damage they made to the CVT trasmission when they passed too much torque through it.
A basic tune from Hondata is +6 PSI, ktuner equivilant is eco / 21PSI IF I’m not mistaken..
Personally on my 2017 Hatchback (manual) I just got myself the KTuner V2. Not only does the car have so much more hp for the price of the ktuner, it made it like a whole new car. So much more responsive on the throttle, no more idiotic rev hang, more torque, basically the same as hondata but much more customizeable as well as easier to flash and everything since I don’t need a laptop to do it.
The only problem with either tune? Once you do an intake and front+downpipe, nevermind the exhaust, the clutch will not be able to handle it and will slip, which is why you will see videos of other people changing out the stock clutch to an FX300/FX350
I’m fine with just the tune and no other mods though.
Why did I wait a full year and a half before tuning? Simple answer was I wanted to see if anyone was ending up with major mechanical issues that warranty will obviously not cover. With all of these base tunes no one has really had any major problems that i can think off, just don’t mess with stuff when you don’t know what you are doing. It is a very very good modification and I would be more than happy with keeping this as my only mod (the second I felt the power difference I wanted to mod everything, but am thinking I may not now and will just work on paying the car off faster)
This is why I’m buying a 2017 Si over my 15 Si. Cause we tuned one the other day to 60 FUCKING HORSE POWER JUST WITH HONDATA ON AN ALL STOCK CAR
Just glad to see that you can mod hondas again :)
How much power can you squeeze out of that 1.5???????
If you ad VTEC stickers and the giant HONDA sticker on the windshield, about 1,500 HP. About 1 HP per CC.
Imagine the numbers these guys will be able to pull out from the type R engine.
I went from a 2005 10,000lb 6.0L power stroke 4x4, to a 2017 2door 1.5 L and man this car is slow, very late on the take off, will not throw you back in the seat, has no sound from the exhaust, but driving at 65 mph you will most definitely get 45mpg.
You have a good point.
So Honda is advertising the 2017 Civic as having 174hp, how come the baseline is 184 to the wheels?
Edwin Ortiz Good question.. They are actually more capable than advertised. The L15B7 Engine is a wolf in sheeps clothing for being a 1.5L is super strong , real HP is around 180+ .. My Gen X Si with with 6 psi Tune and Stage 1 PRL intake can hit mid 13’s 1/4 mile which tells me it’s around 230+ WHP 260 Wheel Torque and its a similar engine to the one on the EXT. So again underrated by factory in my opinion, Honda focuses more on showing the MPG numbers..
Isn't the point of testing to see how far it'll go before it breaks? Like what's the actual limit of hp and torque before something snaps
Yo wtf my Si doesn't even go past 16 psi let alone touch the advertised 20.3 psi. Why not??!
Y no exhaust mod?perhaps with injen exhaust system will get slightly even better gains?
What does he mean by increase in knock at high boost?
@dsports hey does anyone know how much does everything come out to $$$ thanks
What's the difference between this engine (L15B7) and Honda vezel (aka HRV) engine L15B1 ? are they essentially the same ?
Im planning on buying Hondata soon. Is there anything to worry about? Im not going to do a crazy mods but only light ones. Just want it more alive and responsive. I feel a slight lag on my 2017 hatchback sport.
How do you like it so far? I'm planning to buy one as a commuter.
It might void your warranty
I dont mind about the warranty as long as the changes are reliable. I dont plan on heavy tuning.
Alex B Did you get a custom tune or did you use the pre-set that comes with it?
you can't buy it. it says on their site it's for off road only.
im new to honda tubro. do you need to tune if you add intake or exhaust or what ever.? i know for subaru cars you have to tune if adding these parts other wise the engine can get damaged.
I really like these engines but they do have their limits.
Love videos like this
How much Total Of each Installed??
Hopefully the Civic SI well get at least a TD04 turbo or anything bigger than a TD03.
SI is the same old 2.4 NA i believe
Its already been confirmed that its going to be a 1.5l turbo
Well rumor is that its going to have around 240hp so i guess it would have to have the TD04 since hondata just said in this video that the turbo has topped out its capabilitys
Noah Cardwell 213 w
WHP is topped out? lol
i wasnt there to witness the dyno but if there not putting more boost through the turbo then i think it exceeded its limits so they would have to put a larger turbo to get more horsepower. It possibly could handle more but hondata tunes dont void the warranty i dont think
I'd like to see a larger intercooler.
Nice
Question is are all these parts carb legal with in 50 state? Lol...if it is...I'm going for it.
Honda has gone turbo way before but only in Japan.
is it still a k
installing a cold air intake requires a tune .....? Yes or No
It does not require a tune. You can install one and just go, but like in this test, a tune lets you have more power along with the cold air intake from mishimoto. So tune it to get the extra hp.
Semir Palic No you do not. Installing the Injen, Mishimoto, or any other intake does not require the dissemble of the front bumper. You can do everything just by the removal, and access of the hood.
Semir Palic unless the assembly instructs you to do so in the instructions of what intake you purchased
Semir Palic unless the assembly instructs you to do so in the instructions of what intake you purchased
hello do you know how much power the transmission can hold up engine power? 200 HP? I'm afraid the transmission is broken after tuning
Probably 230hp is the max before the motor is close to blow before the transmission. The Si can hold 600hp so far.
@@stratussx some one one the civicx forums have it at 300hp with his own personal tuning
I'm sure the factory downpipe is a bottleneck as well.
I want to see a Catless downpipe
The run with the intercooler , when the car got louder was labeled as 'downpipe' - I think they're not telling us something
I Dont know what people are thinking but I want to see this 1.5 replace the Aged 1.5 in the CR-Z
Or Hrv
or fit
Good idea but keep the electric one at the same time ! ;))
wow. 2 liter or more anything below that your spending money to get peanuts for numbers on the dyno.
question is, how long will the turbo last?
WhiTeFA1R Probably a lot longer than the shit turbo on my EJ25 subaru...
David Guerrero not in my fa20dit
Fizzy Elf well that depend on what turbo that it. vf turbos where a bit of a disappointment
I have 2017 civic hatchback lx and I'm thinking about getting this. Does it void the manufacturer warranty?
Long M yah
lol hell yeah.
Long M flashing your car is reversible and if something were to happen to your car because of the tune you could easily flash it back to stock
modifying your car and voiding your warranty is a myth.... they'd have to prove that the mods done to the car are what cause the damage.... ie - water in your engine due to running a cold air intake...
if you mess with the ECU at all, prepare for having all warranty claims denied. change mechanical parts instead and they'll have a much harder time denying you. Otherwise, most dealerships can tell if the ECU has been flashed at some point...So the whole "flash back" isn't perfect.
awesome
the engine found in a lot of other cervix??? lol
The civic Si will still get that weak ass TD03 turbo too, maybe it can compete with the Feista ST ... sad
I owned many Hondas but this one won't go down in history as there best effort.The guy who designed the boomrang looking tail lights should be put in a cage and knock out by a group of wild kangourous lol.
Why does Honda give you a under powered car ? This is why lol working hand in hand with the aftermarket to ensure Honda cars live long past it's time
For fuel economy and emissions. More power means more fuel. More power also means more wear on the drivetrain longterm. Thats why the Si has different running gear and a different trans setup from the regular civics.
welcome Honda... it seems like the same shit everyone has been doing for the last 20 years lol...
1.5 Cvt version=🤣😂😂
To bad its actually a td025
I feel like if I bought this model, I wouldn't tune it.
LOL MAKES 200HP AT 30 PSI BHAHAHAHABAH
It has a the tiniest turbo. TD03 is as small as I know, I don't think there's is smaller unless it's like a motorcycle turbo or something.
Small turbo = more torque, less HP.
Big turbo = less torque, more HP.
It seems like they are pushing too much PSI, but since the engine is small it's not really stressing the turbo as much as a bigger engine would. A bigger engine would max out the turbo at a much lower PSI.
u cannot generalize turbos like that i have a mazdaspeed 3 and it has a k04 stock its not big but it's not tiny for a 4cyl and it makes buckets of tq while the POS fiats I work on have tiny ass turbos on their 1.4l and they make no power it mind as well be a N/A 2.0l
Ryan Rohauer my NA 2.0l makes 240hp
Honda S2K?
SI0AX yep pictured to the left MY00 40kmiles
mark 7 gti still better
Yet it's still only a 14 second car.
so instead of paying 22k for a new 1.5 I'll keep my k20 and spend 8k to boost and tune and have a faster, prettier, and better civic.
yes
Homeslice drummer while staying at your step Dad's and spending rent/mortgage $$ on muscle cars appeals to some, others appreciate having their daily driver zip around corners while getting to career based workplaces. Love 'vettes though.
Jeffrey Knott so you assumed he lives at home because he had nice cars? Okay....lol
+HomesliceDrummer You know Honda makes the NSX right?
You know, the stupid fast one?
Anyways, real car people build their own cars, you know what are the two most common cars people start upgrading and making their own? Mazda Miata and the Honda Civic, because they have so much room to expand, some of these Tuned hondas will kick your Z06's ass around a track without much issue, Boost is all that matters for power, bigger turbo, more boost, some of these four bangers are pushing 500+ horse power...........and when your car can be stripped to weigh less then a ton, that 500+ horsepower is like riding a rocket.
Also LOL, Old Supercharged mustangs where utter garbage, only the most recent [2016 and newer] one finally gained a independent rear axle, you know, something even muscle cars have had for 15-20 years.
Also how's that 302 going? bet you love having to run block braces because ford's 5.0 from the 1970s is not rated without reinforcement past 500 HP.
Also how did you slap a blower onto a 14 Vette? unless you changed your entire top end, your ECU would be screaming at you and refuse to run properly, the LS6 in said car is controlled entirely by computer, you can't run a manual system to make your blower's vanes open and close to throttle control, you sound like you are talking out of your ass.
Infact, blower systems don't work very well with any modern car regardless of make without serious changes.
Also why are you even thinking that's going to make you go any faster? top end supercharged cars don't need blowers anymore, sucking air in though a dedicated manifold is far more efficient now, hence the gaping mouth of the Z06.
+xAgent0 Of course not, the unlimited class stuff like the nuts builds on Civics can be.....and that Type R can give the Z06 a run for the money around a track in everything but top speed.
I'm just saying this dumbass seems that throwing money at the wall means he's automatically a better car guy, that pisses me off......just imagine what a 22 thousand dollar honda would be with 50 grand worth in mods, and it'd still be cheaper then the Corvette.
boring & too quiet the engine
turbo is for inferior, real man know how to push NA
you guys see what did american and UK people did to honda civic.
what an ugly car
Car looks like a sexy mini-van. Gross
Damn...this car sucks lol
Tell us the shitbox u drive ?
Interesting. Good results, but is it me? Or did the exhaust get louder after the intercooler install portion of the video? It really sounds like a DP pipe was added? Or am I crazy?
Ian Peterson yup I noticed car got louder as well
there's even a file that says downpipe lol.
I saw that part and backed up like when was a do or exhaust added haha
Great results! I really wish Honda had added actual VTEC to this engine. It really would distinguish the civic from the turbo crowd. They had the opportunity to do it with the Si, but neglected that. It really is a shame. Pretty much now a days, you can pick up any turbo cars and get tremandous amount of power gain for just a simple bolts on and reflash. #turbo
27psi wtf
INVISIBLE SUN That's the same thing I was thinking.
INVISIBLE SUN from a td03. That's not really a lot of air.
INVISIBLE SUN its a baby turbo thats why
even more wtf. that much out of a small turbo
WTF
INVISIBLE SUN its air pressure, smaller piping/turbos at high psi are pushing less air than a big turbo at the same psi, if that makes any sense how i put it
I'll take my Ktuner please 😉
rockin' a hondata reflash in my '03 ep3!
Great video! But yall really should have put on at least a 3 inch exhaust. Im sure it would have made way more power in the end.
Have you tested any of these parts on the Civic SI?
Why no exhaust?? Free flowing exhaust should be the first mod on any turbo car.
not on these small turbo cars, for instance a stock turbo fiesta st will see little to NO gain with a turbo back as the stock turbo is the bottle neck of the whole system, intake adds nothing but noise as well. Now upgrade the turbo and that another story
Rsaxon1979 you right my friend
Crazy how engines have changed. This 1.5 makes just about the same as my 2000 accord with the j30a1
Swap in a turbo from the CR-V
Not bad gains. what's the gain on the 1.5L turbo with the cvt auto.
Need to put a free flowing exhaust on it. Should be the first mod on any turbo car.
quick, someone throw a ebay turbo on it :-p
Not the most attractive honda engine, jesus its ugly.
Welshy the car itself is ugly
Paul Williams yea that's also kinda true hahaha, but I'm not minding the Type R looks too bad idk.
Welshy whats a good looking 2017 car for you then? thats on par with the civic price? or all the new cars are ugly asf to you?
Nope just literally my opinion, coming from a Honda Lover too. its mostly the sedan verison, i actually really like the coupe. :)
This was a great video. Gives people an idea of what to expect before pouring money into the car. Love it. 👍🏼
Hoping the new Civic trans and internals can hold up to these nice mods
Would've gotten more power with a turbo back exhaust
Just got a 2017 hatch last November. Been looking in what parts go with the vehicle, thanks a lot!
Dusty Kenney hey what have you done to your hatch so far?
Does anyone make a turbo back exhaust for this gen yet? -2017 hatchback
RogueTriumph did you get an exhaust yet?
So much fun boosting the turbo to get more HP and torque... until you blow up the engine.
I did this on my old Saab 99 turbo, and ended up dropping a valve down into a piston. Ugly.
CoCoLuv9491 saaaaaaab...
Too bad for you..this is a Honda...
lel. saab. lol. saab. lel
All fun to find the limits of new motors , Hondata is always top notch on R&D projects
They are made like trash these days. Whos to say these engines will hold up at all?
VitViper pushed this car further stock to 240whp and 280wtq on KTuner to the limits of the stock clutch .
Wow ! awesome number ! Do you have a cat-back or it just the stock exhaust ?
Thats a Stock Exhaust.
I'm still waiting that hondata work this in the honda fit :(
elgransr there's ktuner
hahaa ikr. still a pretty nice and nimble car. The swiss army of the cars
elgransr The Fit is most definitely not the Swiss army knife of cars.
Will any of these work on the 2017 CR-V AWD?
Came late to the party but here you go if you dont already know: ecu tuning works, downpipes designed for the civic fit, intakes designed for the Si work if you manage to install them( I went PRL SRI), FMICs dont fit and noone has released one thats bolt-on
I think that turbo is reaching its limits. Throw on a slightly bigger turbo and I'm sure it'll put out some more power with a lower PSI.
The turbo is actually a little smaller than that, it’s actually a td025
I would like to see 2 step
no exhaust upgrades?
So Honda must be under reporting the horsepower and torque numbers because here in North America the Civic has 174 crank horsepower claimed by Honda but obviously the baseline test here is showing 187 wheel horsepower and that if you add calculate 15% loss you should be in about 220 crank horsepower stock not 174, very interesting. About two weeks ago I bought it 2017 Volkswagen golf GTI and the numbers are 210 hp 258 pound feet of torque at 2000 RPM and it feels much more powerful than that I'm told that Volkswagen also under reports the torque and horsepower numbers and that it's actually around 260 hp and 280 pound feet and it does feel like it.
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this cars a big spit in the face esp to the NSXs lol ohh so cool all touch couldn't make any analog features same exact screen the volume control can cause a accident ive seen it first hand but beside that its new engine i dont even think put there innovation into it cause the engine ISNT NO HONDA ENGINE Its Some Go Green Honda But You Know What Since The 🐢 Turtle 🐢 shell fg2 and under so from the 8th generation down to 1988 ill even take a wago van then again the crz or crx works cause even tho i keep my back seats i dont want people in my whip i rather own one of those cars and deal with there engines
This is a TD025 not a TD03.
Stop messing around with pump gas. The power isn't maxed until you start adding ethanol. E40-E50 is the sweet spot for DI engines. I would almost guarantee you could see 240-250whp with a mix. You can then skip the intercooler upgrade.
27.5psi on a TD03?!? That thing must've been a hair dryer, LOL! I'm sure it was blowing super hot air and waaaaaaaaay out of it's efficiency range. Heck, I don't run my Garrett GT2871 above 25, and that's when I'm spraying methanol and have E25 in the tank. On 93, I stick to 22psi. That's on a ~43 lbs/min turbo. (390/385 @ the wheels on high boost - Speed 3).
It is always enjoyable when various tuners try their ways. To increase Boost +7psi for 25hp / 38lb/ft is not close to optimum. When you are not gaining 10hp per +psi then (with what was added here) it is related to the turbo unable to keep up with demand + fueling or backpressure and more than likely ALL three. If you use 102.5 Oct Race Fuel and aren't gaining anything even adding +2psi, why? Simply put, a drop in high flow air filter in the box, intercooler upgrade, and a tune will NET much safer results w/o having to raise the boost to those levels (on the stock turbo of course). You really don't want to mess with the DP with the stock turbo - it's far too small.
I was wondering if it was possible to share a custom dyno tune if possible. I have a 2017 Civic hatchback sport with CAI and turbocharge pipe and high performance spark plugs. I purchased honda pro but my car has idling problems after flash and all sensors keep lighting up.
The results a very impressive, would you be able to get similar results from a CVT gearbox? If not are Hondata able to provide a less aggressive result but still noticeable?
This is on a cvt.. all 10th gen automatics are turbo cvt.
@@starcraftgod1212123 he said at the beginning of the video manual
@@starcraftgod1212123 cvt version pushed to this limit will get destroyed
@@rayray_741 you're right I didnt notice that, but I got the two videos mixed up because Hondata did a cvt video as well. And I have a tuned cvt. But i went with ktuner and two step performance. Hondata swears up and down they pushed cvts to their limits and even burnt a couple out to find their sweet spots and make them very responsive and snappy. Ktuner say the same. And ktuner offers more support and active tunes
@@rayray_741 my stock cvt was 178 I'm pushing around 260 tuned with some bolt ons.
When all the ricers get a hold of theses little civics with turbos they will blow them all up slapping mods on with no tunes, downpipes, bov, etc. Love my old integra but i guess we will see how theses new motors hold up to mods done right and wrong.
i see hondas point. economy. but come on, i hope theyre saving the 2 liter turbo for future activities for us fanboys. i drove the turbo 1.5L and its a dog.
Do they make a 93 octane tune for the people in Texas that have 93 at the pump at the end of the mods made I would say that it makes good power for what it is next stop downpipe and then go along with the rest of the exhaust system for better flow but like the guy in the video said the turbo is about maxed out so bigger turbo as well and clutch do all that and I would be very interested to see not only what that does for power but if the stock internals can take all that
237lb/ft = 320 Nm , that is crazy for 1.5 f/i petrol, I remember 25 years ago this was turbodiesel territory