It's so true though, everyone treats those of us with any kind of Mental Illness like we're just assholes, or like we're weak and cowardly, and it's so damn frustrating.
To be the devil's advocate wasn't there talk about it being a cover-up with fake papers, though? Also, just who would let an adoptive kid say with ... after what supposedly happened in his childhood? I'm just gonna say it the movie is trippy and who knows if what we see is true or not.
@@XxXNightcoreQueenXxX Honestly, I thought it was more fitting that he was adopted. Not because I need it to stick to status quo, but because it's what drives him over the edge. When he thought Wayne could be his father, it gave him hope for his future, a plot twist that turned him into a somebody. But every chance he gets closer to the truth, he gets pushed back time and time again, building up that anticipation, making the pay off that much sweeter. He finally gets his hands on his mother's files, risks his well being on this big reveal that everyone tried desperately to keep from him... And he sees it for himself... He's not Thomas Wayne's son. He's not Penny Fleck's son. He was never important. It was just the delusions of a sick women who lied to him his whole life. He isn't even Arthur Fleck. He's... Nobody. It's a cruel punchline that drives him over the edge as he embraces the only thing he has left... Negative thoughts. But of course, that's just my thoughts on it.
But joker claims in the movie that he didn't have any intentions of being the figurehead of the rebellion, he only did what he did because people were just being jerks. So with that, I don't think the uprisings are his fantasies because he says he didn't want/intend for this to happen. He wouldn't fantasize about something he didn't want. (but still a great theory because you only used the trailer)
He was the accidental catalyst for a movement. And when he confessed on nationwide TV that he was the subway killer, that movement suddenly recognized their catalyst.
I think he just said that. Everyone wants to feel important. Think of the scene where he looks at the paper with the drawing of "him" on it and looks sly and happy and kinda looks around like he has a cute little secret he wishes he could tell. His expression says everything. He liked the attention, however indirect. He was a man who felt overlooked and underappreciated and ignored and he felt like he was finally being seen in some form. He might not have wanted to start a movement, but he definitely wanted to be important in some way.
But is clearly show he liked being the unknown clown who started everything, so maybe yeah the protests started due in part to his actions and maybe no one started wearing clown mask but maybe he just imagined that way to make himself feel powerful
Do you wanna know how I got these scars? Though I feel like in the comics, when Batman gets to the source or a chair that knows everything and asks "who is the joker" the answer that comes back is "which one?"
Yes but matpats point was that it could have been passed down by penny fleck, which wouldn't be possible because he is adopted (albeit I understand that his genetic parents have a chance of also having the gene, there would be no way to prove that)
@@devinandersen5572 Alternate point of view. Young Penny Fleck in mental hospital could actually be right. She and Thomas Wayne are the Joker's real parents. Wayne is rich and powerful enough to get people to forge the adoption documents for appearance reasons, just as Penny said Wayne made her signed a document to keep her mouth shut. Just in case Penny actually came out to speak about the Joker's paternity, despite the signed document, for insurance, Wayne forged the adoption papers.
@@alexandersmith5319 what if she went nuts because of thomas wayne though? his denial of their child's existence and shutting her up with forged adoption papers could lead to her mental state worsening and her schizophrenia to act up, causing her to be abusive because at the end she gets confused as to what is real and so on
Dude you are an absolute genius, seriously. Your content is of extreme high quality. And look at this video, you understood the entire movie even before it was released
The only thing that tied it down to DC were the cameos by the Wayne family. I think it's brilliant that a mainstream audience was tricked into watching an arthouse film.
@akshay Viswambharan There have been so many takes on Joker, my other two favourites are Jack Nicholson and the guy who played him in the sixties... I like this version because it stands alone.
Matpat: **guesses entire movie plot** DC: FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK CHANGE EVERY SCENE, DIALOGUE, AND PLOT TWISTS. HELL JUST CHANGE THE ENTIRE MOVIE PLOT
@xrelik It's kind of silly to pre-judge a movie based on whether or not someone you don't like does like it. It could easily just be a movie that you both like.
I remember watching this movie with my mom who's a psychologist, so it was very interesting to have someone who knows what their talking about when it comes to the mind.
its an unritten rule.with all the sickos trying to kidnap kids.it raises red flags when a single man is acting creepy towards a kid thats unattended too.that weird look in his eyes.you dont look at a kid all weird and dramatic like that unless you want to lose an eyeball
The other day on the train a little girl kept peeking through the gap in the seats, after a couple of times I started pulling faces at her, or peeking out from behind my backpack. She started giggling and doing the same. I don't care if someone looks at me funny, I was making a little girl happy. The thing with onlookers who take issue with it is that they just want everyone else to be as miserable in their lives as they are.
wnerk o you need a little faith in humanity, there's never been less violent crime in the world. You don't need to forget about the small possibility of encountering danger but it is damn unlikely
I was thinking it might be the opposite. This Joker may be a little too old to fight a young Batman, given the 30 year difference. So there's this guy trying to become Joker but he doesn't get any traction, and manages to inspire the "real" Joker. Maybe the younger one thinks this Joker is just crazy, but then has the iconic backstory happen and realizes that this Joker is right. Something like that.
Could his mother have passed away and the “mother” he’s taking care of is nursing his own mental well-being? Needing constant attention; sometimes doing well and sometimes in a very bad state.
Kaizo Audio it's possible, but it would throw me off a little. The Joker origin has him actually lose his wife, his unborn child, and his sanity in less than 24h. If the mother is real, it'll feel more tangible. Otherwise, it might seem as if Joker wasnt a person the audience could become, in a sense. It's more effective if there is a real problem that motivates the final derailment of the character's mind.
@@nivaldomonte5441 Firstly, the killing joke is presenting one possibility, his origin is multichoice for a reason. And two let's not forget he's insane, sadistic and we are not supposed to identify with him. People keep forgetting the joker is a bad guy for a reason. He's not an antihero, he's just barely sympathetic. He's still EVIL
Hamid Adib Maybe The child could have just been disciplined and needed to feel bad so he’d learn. Arthur making him smile could be considered undermining the mom’s parenting. Edit: Fixed a spelling mistake.
You didn’t mention the scene when Arthur is called “Son” by the talk show host. De Niro says “I would give this whole thing up to have a son like you”. That was definitely a fantasy.
Love matpat but I do wonder if he does any research AT ALL 1. Arthur Is not trying to impress anyone with comedy, if you watch the trailer you will see he has wanted to be a comedian since he was a kid “ When I was a little boy I told everyone I was going to be a comedian and they all laughed, Well nobody’s laughing now” 2.This is an alternate Joker that has NOTHING to do with the main universe, This is simply another incarnation.
I’m late but thanks for making this video MatPat. I had an assignment at university where I had to examine a film and King of Comedy was one of the choices I could pick from. This video really helped me get to know this film and link it to Joker and I got a higher grade as a result!
Before people saying that the Joker ripped off the movie the king of comedy from an artistic point of view is it possible that the character Arthur Fleck was a fan of the movie the king of comedy and work this movie into his own schizophrenia?
@Michael Mckay actually the king of comedy came out in 1982 and from shat I heard is that the garbage strike was based on what happened so you can place it in any period because the joker has multiple stories and plus he's telling the story so he can be merging 1981 with the king of comedy that's the joke on all if us is hes telling us the story not us saying stuff like it's set in 1981 because Arthur can set it whatever and however he wants
I just saw this movie. Who's laughing now? Edit: Thanks guys I never got so many likes. It really makes me very happy to see WB do justice to the DC movies. All this time we DC fans have been quiet. No more!
There is an external world, but it is how we perceive the world and make it what it is to our own individual selves. If I touched a leaf, the feel of it may be different from that of someone else because of their brain reacting to the texture, as all other living things may react differently to it. The way we perceive the world individually is what the world is in our perceptive reality, but may not be and most likely is not the world for what it truly is, and we may never know what it truly is. It is based off of what we know from our senses and perception of those senses.
Once again....your theory seems to be completely believable. Even if it's wrong you've succeeded in perceiving a possibility that can be just as credible as what may actually happen. That is why I keep watching your content.
@Xinge Gao I could be mistaken, but I believe the general portrayal of schizophrenia as a split personality is something of a common myth or stereotype. I'm not sure how they're connected, but I'm pretty sure you can have schizophrenia without having multiple personalities.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 you are right. A split personality is not a characteristic of schizophrenia, it's a mental illness on its own. People just always confuse them both
The photographer taking my school photo: “keep smiling.” “kEeP sMiliNg!” “KEEP SMILING!” *Sneakily looks at my photo on their computer* Me: “THIS IS WHY NO ONE SHOULD KEEP SMILING...”
English is my second language and I thought this said it was a bad movie until I remember a tumblr post about the stupidity of the English language lol
"People expect you to behave like you don't." That's very true. From illnesses like schizophrenia to things like dyslexia. I have ADHD, and one of the symptoms of that illness is short term memory problems, I have to ask about things I just heard. And no matter what I say it always makes people angry. They always think I'm not listening or don't care. I am listening and I do care, but I can't behave like them.
I have a rage based form of depression, things that should make me sad cause me to be uncontrollably angry, the medicine for this condition is basically poison that made me so sick I couldn't function
Boston is a totally different state. Brooklynn, New York and it’s also one of the things joker uses to seduce Harley because he picked her part of NY so we’ll
Even the Joker doesn't know his own origin story. "I'm not exactly sure what happened. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" - Joker
I’m still waiting for a Red Hood movie, Jason Todd is such a amazing character, so much darker than batman and so much more violent, he doesn’t have batman’s mentality of not killing and that makes for a far more real and relatable character, and one of the most amazing things is that despite the violence he still helps so many people and is loved by so many people that his existence just seems like a slap on batman’s face, especially since he was the second robin.
Well there is this Joker: "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another ... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" So this movie fits right in
I know it hurts to be wrong, kid, but maybe you should pick up a copy of The Killing Joke. You'll find that The Joker uses the name Arthur Fleck to describe the dubious origin story he tells James Gordon. That puts the use of the name as far back as 1988.
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The second half of this video has opened my eyes and shown me that even if a movie is forgotten, you never know who it might inspire, as is the case here with a lesser known film directed by Martin Scorsese being used as inspiration for Joker. Now, I pay more attention to what filmmakers today use as inspiration for their movies.
I just realized the whole study was made by Turkish doctors and the whole paragraph was in Turkish. Thinking of all my teachers’ hand writing,this guys’ one was relatively normal.
1940: acid will make him crazy throw him into that 2019: society will make him crazy throw him into that Edit thanks for so many likes I’ve never gotten so much
The Joker laughing after getting hurt might also be just a weird pain response cause sometimes when I get hurt especially when my head hits something like a wall I laugh or at least I used to
I would say mind altering drugs. After all Jonathan Crane worked in various Mental Institutions and sure has a grip on what to use for a full horror trip.
The one shrink who actually listened and understood...Phillips said he would be open for a sequel if Phoenix is down. Seems like a hell of a way to set it up
It fits in with the origin story as Dr. Quinzel has a degree in treat patience who suffers from schizophrenia and psychosis and the leading doctor in her field
I don't think this movie was originally about the Joker, I think Todd Phillips came up with a story about a random clown but then Warner "lent" the Batman universe.
@@dexterthegoat7950 yeah that's Olivia if u you know the joker he imagines things sometimes and also I didn't see them as hallucination as much as they were nausea or his way or converting himself
@mattpat I just wanted to say good job man I've been watching you since your day one on game theory and day one on this channel and you have definitely improved for sure and your theories are always intriguing and backed up pretty well
"The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to act like you don't"
Owch. But he hit nail on the head, and it sucks.
I felt it in my soul
That fucked me up hard
:(
yeah man
It's so true though, everyone treats those of us with any kind of Mental Illness like we're just assholes, or like we're weak and cowardly, and it's so damn frustrating.
Game theorists: "it has a strong genetic component."
Joker: "That's not my mom."
Or like in the case of my brother, wrong kind of antidepressants can induce schizofrenia.
@@lucasmillerthelewderofloli9327 ....no ??? Not a bit.
I FORGOT ABOUT THAT PFFT
To be the devil's advocate wasn't there talk about it being a cover-up with fake papers, though?
Also, just who would let an adoptive kid say with ... after what supposedly happened in his childhood?
I'm just gonna say it the movie is trippy and who knows if what we see is true or not.
@@XxXNightcoreQueenXxX
Honestly, I thought it was more fitting that he was adopted. Not because I need it to stick to status quo, but because it's what drives him over the edge.
When he thought Wayne could be his father, it gave him hope for his future, a plot twist that turned him into a somebody. But every chance he gets closer to the truth, he gets pushed back time and time again, building up that anticipation, making the pay off that much sweeter. He finally gets his hands on his mother's files, risks his well being on this big reveal that everyone tried desperately to keep from him... And he sees it for himself...
He's not Thomas Wayne's son.
He's not Penny Fleck's son.
He was never important. It was just the delusions of a sick women who lied to him his whole life. He isn't even Arthur Fleck. He's... Nobody.
It's a cruel punchline that drives him over the edge as he embraces the only thing he has left... Negative thoughts.
But of course, that's just my thoughts on it.
"Where the heroes aren't always the good guy."
**doesnt put in clip from Megamind**
Oof right
IK Right XD
Hah
That was his mistake
Mega mind wasn't actually bad though
But joker claims in the movie that he didn't have any intentions of being the figurehead of the rebellion, he only did what he did because people were just being jerks. So with that, I don't think the uprisings are his fantasies because he says he didn't want/intend for this to happen. He wouldn't fantasize about something he didn't want.
(but still a great theory because you only used the trailer)
He was the accidental catalyst for a movement. And when he confessed on nationwide TV that he was the subway killer, that movement suddenly recognized their catalyst.
I think he just said that. Everyone wants to feel important.
Think of the scene where he looks at the paper with the drawing of "him" on it and looks sly and happy and kinda looks around like he has a cute little secret he wishes he could tell. His expression says everything.
He liked the attention, however indirect. He was a man who felt overlooked and underappreciated and ignored and he felt like he was finally being seen in some form.
He might not have wanted to start a movement, but he definitely wanted to be important in some way.
But is clearly show he liked being the unknown clown who started everything, so maybe yeah the protests started due in part to his actions and maybe no one started wearing clown mask but maybe he just imagined that way to make himself feel powerful
I'm ultra stoic and humble in my psychotic fantasies as well. That really doesn't discredit anything.
True, he had no intentions regarding that movement. He never was its leader. They didnt even know who Arthur was.
Mattpat: *sees two trailers*
"Okay so here's what happens in the movie"
How else can you make a theory?
@@sabhishek9289 Watching the movie first?
@@omegaheartless if you have predictions to make before the movie released, you have to show your theories when it actually matters.
He watched the movie if u follow him on ig u would know
well, hes watched the king of comedy, and anyone who has seen the king of comedy has seen Joker.
Joker: "If I'm going to have an origin. It may as well be multiple choice."
carrastealth and at this point he’s got that
Do you wanna know how I got these scars?
Though I feel like in the comics, when Batman gets to the source or a chair that knows everything and asks "who is the joker" the answer that comes back is "which one?"
maybe if there was a joker movie after this one it might as well be called "Joker Choice B"
Nunyabuis ness nah, it'll just be the Director's Cut version; you know like the whole is Decker a replicant in Blade Runner.
😜
Isnt this quote from Arkham city
Matpat: schizophrenia is hereditary
Joker Movie: Arthur fleck is adopted lol
Devin Andersen but he was abused
Being adopted doesn't mean that you didn't have parents pass their genes to you
Yes but matpats point was that it could have been passed down by penny fleck, which wouldn't be possible because he is adopted (albeit I understand that his genetic parents have a chance of also having the gene, there would be no way to prove that)
@@devinandersen5572 Alternate point of view. Young Penny Fleck in mental hospital could actually be right. She and Thomas Wayne are the Joker's real parents. Wayne is rich and powerful enough to get people to forge the adoption documents for appearance reasons, just as Penny said Wayne made her signed a document to keep her mouth shut. Just in case Penny actually came out to speak about the Joker's paternity, despite the signed document, for insurance, Wayne forged the adoption papers.
@@alexandersmith5319 what if she went nuts because of thomas wayne though? his denial of their child's existence and shutting her up with forged adoption papers could lead to her mental state worsening and her schizophrenia to act up, causing her to be abusive because at the end she gets confused as to what is real and so on
That schizophrenic handwriting was significantly better than mine.
As long as people can read it...
100 of these likes came from doctors that can relate
Joker: Dances
Film Theorist: His feet are moving in strange patterns.
🤣🤣🤣
Footloose:*Exists*
Film Theorists:Kevin Bacon shows signs of a mental illness
Nice pfp
I'm now imagining Mattpat's mental illness analysis of Happy Feet! 🐧🐧🐧
@Vasilijan Nikolovski Bernie is ancient, nearly 80 years old. He is way too old to become president. We need someone young and refreshing.
_Every villain is the hero of his own story..._
*~ The Joker*
Stop stalking me
The Phantom Menace :
Aw c’mon he just wants to be
friends with you
"If I'm going to have a past, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice."
I've never heard him say that.
@@toganium4175 he's full of random deep one liners that
Joker- Plays peekaboo with a baby
Matpat- Inappropriate actions
What a menace
@@FF-tk2zs hahaha 😍
😂😂😂
Cringe joke
*fbi blows is is front door open*
Dude you are an absolute genius, seriously. Your content is of extreme high quality. And look at this video, you understood the entire movie even before it was released
MatPat: “Joker doesn’t exist”
Joker: “am I a joke to you”
Lol
Angel Cu agreed
That was a funny JOKE
"YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE!"
Well...(gestures at clown makeup)
This Movie is so different, I forgot it was related to DC
The only thing that tied it down to DC were the cameos by the Wayne family. I think it's brilliant that a mainstream audience was tricked into watching an arthouse film.
@akshay Viswambharan There have been so many takes on Joker, my other two favourites are Jack Nicholson and the guy who played him in the sixties... I like this version because it stands alone.
TBH I expected the replies to be MHA role-play
80's
Its overrated imo
6:18 wait, that’s supposed to be an example of messy handwriting...
*nervous laughter*
I completely understand
omg I thought the same thing! My handwriting is terrible
Thats just how we turkish people write its the photo under the rectangle
Looks like a doctor's handwriting if he at least practised.
don't worry you are not alone every doctor handwriting
*"The Joker is not real."*
l... I mean duhh.
Big Boi Bucci *WHY DID THIS SEND ME?-*
But he stabed me
@@gogetqz because I have an unhealthy addiction to eating butter sticks and this is my only coping mechanism
@@mexicanbatman8157 stabbed*
Hahahahahaha herehahahhrhehe *wheeeeeeze* *chuckle* hahahahahaha
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled”.
Mark Twain
Can you explain
I get it
@@stevenvasquez3781 is that you former president? Can you take back the office from Donald dump? Please??
The comment said 666 so I liked it
Isn’t that being fooled
It's okay MatPat, the Joker is just a character, he can't hurt you.
Or can he
@@daddymellons4653 Vsauce?
is that you
Joker:
Joker:
Year of the clowns. Pennywise, Joker, and me.
And Antonio Brown (if you're a football fan)
And the one staring at their device right now.
🤡
@@hazeltree7738 And you.
Best self roast of 2019 wooah crowd cheerssss
Spoiler:
This video is not spoiler free.
Wasn’t this video made before the release of Joker?
@@kingslayer563
Yes, before release.
@@kingslayer563 He kinda crushed it
Joker producers will now change the movie to prove matpat wrong
LightningDew 😂😂
They rewrite, reshoot, and re-edit a lot lately so that's a good bet
Yeah They Always Do That.
LightningDew of course!
TonyDracon the guy who’s narrating the video, let alone the channel
Is honestly nobody talk about how well edited this is... Props to your editor's!!!
I think everyone apreciates it... that is why so many people are watching the videos.
Is no one going to talk about the fact the mat pat ripped off point for literal point a theory and he just pretends like it didn't happen.
James S ??
www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/4chbed/finally_solving_the_disc_11_mystery/
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mat pat's theory came out three years after this one. its the same theory, no credit no apology. big youtubers get away with this shit all the time.
Matt Pat: Guesses the entire movie script
DC: .....*writing noises* Aye I just flipped the script
Internet Idiot sounds like some Scottish talks govna
Internet Idiot or literally any other company when MatPat predicts stuff
Matpat: **guesses entire movie plot**
DC: FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK CHANGE EVERY SCENE, DIALOGUE, AND PLOT TWISTS. HELL JUST CHANGE THE ENTIRE MOVIE PLOT
MatPat: [on schizo handwriting] it's messy, and outside the bounds of the lines, the letters are poorly formed...
Doctors:
ok G.I.R.
I see you mention Logan, but you clearly forgot about Megamind.
Lol i thought so too😆
The villain is the hero and the hero is the villian, that is the Lore of mega boi
Ah yes, the superior movie
Fax
Ah, you mean "BiG bRaIn"
Last time I was this early, the purple guy was the phone guy.
How purple was he?
Lol
@@keeganshigh augibrine
Nekomimi back in the old times, it was simple.
Do you remember, Peteridge farm remembers.
Overused comment
Matpat: lets take a look at fightclub
Me: no you can't talk about that
He broke the 1st rule too, smh
Perhaps
Dang you jon... beat me to it.
Anyone that talk about it or tries to stop it gets their balls cut off
HAHAHAHAHA YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB AMIRITE GUISE?!
The joker is very real. The fake scenes were deliberately shown.
Batman that doesn’t mean that’s all of the fake scenes you fucking doughnut
@jon candy yah ik i’ve seen the second video
Its called film theory channel, lol
So he is theorizing :P
Ryan Miller right, and what proof do you have there were others? None. That’s right.
His encounters with Sophie were hallucinations if you watch the scene after he kills his mother.
The only real joker is Scott Cawthon posting a new FNAF teaser
Lol
Your joking right?
@@kreatorkeon4478 *you're
@@pixl2578 chill out grammar nazi
True..
"If I am to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice"
-the Joker(The Killing Joke)
"If i am to have a past i preder it to have PSEUDOBULBAR AFFECT played into me"
-me TEEEHEEE
Yes, Joker, you may even put a little fear into the one they call IT. KEK KEK LOL
Imma just read the Wikipedia summery.
@xrelik how about imdb? Check it out, its 9+.
@xrelik It's kind of silly to pre-judge a movie based on whether or not someone you don't like does like it. It could easily just be a movie that you both like.
nobody:
Film Theory: What if a fictional movie character isn't real
BigElkification you must be fun at parties.
Andres Hernandez he is but mat isn’t
@@andreseh87 what's so fun about this video?
I am going to see it tho
Lol true
I remember watching this movie with my mom who's a psychologist, so it was very interesting to have someone who knows what their talking about when it comes to the mind.
Nobody knows everything about the mind. We can only assume and go on from there
@@Oink_Blaster I know my mind seems to malfunction sometimes. Also I apparently can do math in my head when I'm not enrolled in a math class.
@@Oink_Blaster Ok smartass
How is making a kid laugh on the bus “inappropriate behavior”
It’s not every day a middle aged man makes funny faces to a kid in a crowded area to someone else’s child while the parent is nearby.
its an unritten rule.with all the sickos trying to kidnap kids.it raises red flags when a single man is acting creepy towards a kid thats unattended too.that weird look in his eyes.you dont look at a kid all weird and dramatic like that unless you want to lose an eyeball
The other day on the train a little girl kept peeking through the gap in the seats, after a couple of times I started pulling faces at her, or peeking out from behind my backpack. She started giggling and doing the same. I don't care if someone looks at me funny, I was making a little girl happy. The thing with onlookers who take issue with it is that they just want everyone else to be as miserable in their lives as they are.
wnerk o you need a little faith in humanity, there's never been less violent crime in the world. You don't need to forget about the small possibility of encountering danger but it is damn unlikely
First off are you a parent? Second have you ever had to use public transportation as a way to get around?
„Stop making the movie cringe by posting random quotes from the movie.“
-Joker
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TOP TEXT
BOTTOM TEXT
The best line joker have Said
"i'm the Joker Baby!"
-Joker Baby
"There are people in the world."
-Joker
What if the Joker is entirely someone else and Arthur Fleck just aspires to be him?
I was thinking it might be the opposite. This Joker may be a little too old to fight a young Batman, given the 30 year difference. So there's this guy trying to become Joker but he doesn't get any traction, and manages to inspire the "real" Joker. Maybe the younger one thinks this Joker is just crazy, but then has the iconic backstory happen and realizes that this Joker is right. Something like that.
@@asherdevin It's plausible as well. I really like the idea/theory that Arthur Fleck and The Joker are not the same person.
Milen Hadzhiev I’m thinking so and plus wasn’t it said that Jokers name was unknown???
I was just about to comment something like this
@@dexterdahmer It would be an interesting twist definitely.
Joker: Dances
Game theorists: Ima pretend I didn't see that
5:05
"he is not the joker"
Me: "I knew it, he is.....Batman"
@j r *Batman voice* woooosshhh
Batman: *_WOOOSH!_*
I'm Batman
Guys it’s obviously sans
that laugh tho
Could his mother have passed away and the “mother” he’s taking care of is nursing his own mental well-being?
Needing constant attention; sometimes doing well and sometimes in a very bad state.
Psychology is just a retard.
@@robinhyperlord9053 no u
That's what I've been thinking
Kaizo Audio it's possible, but it would throw me off a little. The Joker origin has him actually lose his wife, his unborn child, and his sanity in less than 24h. If the mother is real, it'll feel more tangible. Otherwise, it might seem as if Joker wasnt a person the audience could become, in a sense. It's more effective if there is a real problem that motivates the final derailment of the character's mind.
@@nivaldomonte5441 Firstly, the killing joke is presenting one possibility, his origin is multichoice for a reason. And two let's not forget he's insane, sadistic and we are not supposed to identify with him. People keep forgetting the joker is a bad guy for a reason. He's not an antihero, he's just barely sympathetic. He's still EVIL
How is making a child laugh on a bus “inappropriate behaviour”??
The exact same thing was wondering.
Considering there are people who consider hugs sexual assault nowadays...
Hamid Adib Maybe The child could have just been disciplined and needed to feel bad so he’d learn. Arthur making him smile could be considered undermining the mom’s parenting.
Edit: Fixed a spelling mistake.
Maybe you didnt see the whole scene because it's a fucking trailer?!?!?! Smfh.
Kaeru Unmei why does this have 10 likes
You didn’t mention the scene when Arthur is called “Son” by the talk show host. De Niro says “I would give this whole thing up to have a son like you”. That was definitely a fantasy.
He mentions it in his other Joker theory video.
He didn't get to see the movie just the trailer when this came out you nice man!
That cool dude! is awesome!
Have u seen the movie?
I saw it at Redbox today, and jaw dropped. I’m pretty stoked to be renting it tomorrow.
@@1SELFIEpls He meant that Matpat (The Game/Film Theorist) only watched the trailer when he made this.
@@1SELFIEpls Are you illiterate?
"As he himself says in the final trailer..."
UA-cam ad: "dance all night to endless music."
*sounds about right*
I got to... for spotify ya?
Happened to me too
I got the Trailer for a horror movie, which was surprisingly fitting for the moment...
When you watch “Joker” you realize he wrote the top with his Right hand and the bottom with his Left hand
nah I think when he is negative he writes with his left hand when he is happy he wrote on his right hand.
rgbHVH I mean I never applied why he does it but good to know, Noted
He said tho that he hasn’t been happy for one minute in his entire life.
Can it be that he has a double personality ?
It’s actually - Arthur writes with right, Joker writes with left
Last time i was this early, Matpat ruined my childhood from willy wonka
Edit- mum I made it
*Come with me and you will see, in a world Of Ocea Violations...*
Dude you better leave then
T.K. 16
That’s nice :)
Love matpat but I do wonder if he does any research AT ALL
1. Arthur Is not trying to impress anyone with comedy, if you watch the trailer you will see he has wanted to be a comedian since he was a kid “ When I was a little boy I told everyone I was going to be a comedian and they all laughed, Well nobody’s laughing now”
2.This is an alternate Joker that has NOTHING to do with the main universe, This is simply another incarnation.
Lol.
Nobody:
Me at one am on a school night: *watches film theories*
I feel old-ish. I didnt have youtube when i was in school. (Graduated high school in 2006)
@@ConsistentlyInconsistent21 get a job
"As he himself says in his final trailer-"
"SWITCH TO S P R I N T"
The moment I started reading this comment may was saying the quote
“So soon after Suicide Squad”... Matt,,,, it’s been over 3 years
The movie was shot years earlier
Dead Inside
The Amazing Spider-Man was released 5 years after the original Spider-Man trilogy was over, and people said it came out too Early.
Not long enough
The wound still hasn’t healed
three years ain't that long for a reboot
Year of the clowns. Pennywise, Joker, and Adam Carter
Future Spider07 and Antonio brown
Haha I had to go down a bit to understand 😂
Oh I could name a few more..........
@@Morbian13 Saaaame
Hahahah😂
I’m late but thanks for making this video MatPat. I had an assignment at university where I had to examine a film and King of Comedy was one of the choices I could pick from. This video really helped me get to know this film and link it to Joker and I got a higher grade as a result!
I'm like 3 minutes in. Joker loves to have multiple back stories. So what if Arthur Fleck is just a made up story for the joker to use?
that would be so good
If I have to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice.
- The Joker
Damn
But the movie is not based on comic book lore
@@Uberkritz Doesn't mean it can't be related to the comic books though.
Plot twist, the struggling quiet Arthur is the illusion and the confident Arthur is the real one!
😱
BlackOdin27 *MY PR0FlLE PlCTURE* 🤭👀
considering the Joker likes to make up new origin stories about himself all the time... I'd say Arthur is just one more fiction
That would be a nice plot twist
Maybe the clown masks cane first...😮
“ Where heroes aren’t always the good guys “
*D E A T H N O T E*
Bingo.
Yep
KIRA IS JUSTICE
#NeverMeetYourHeroes!!
just because you're the protagonist doesn't mean your a hero
Before people saying that the Joker ripped off the movie the king of comedy from an artistic point of view is it possible that the character Arthur Fleck was a fan of the movie the king of comedy and work this movie into his own schizophrenia?
@Michael Mckay actually the king of comedy came out in 1982 and from shat I heard is that the garbage strike was based on what happened so you can place it in any period because the joker has multiple stories and plus he's telling the story so he can be merging 1981 with the king of comedy that's the joke on all if us is hes telling us the story not us saying stuff like it's set in 1981 because Arthur can set it whatever and however he wants
@Michael Mckay joker: I was just thinking of a joke.
You :you wanna tell it to me?
Joker: You wouldn't get it.
@Michael Mckay yeah definitely still an awesome movie my opinions are pure speculation though.
"you want no beef, ya want no beef?"
**i smell like beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeefff**
ASH3R 1 lol
Is that what the Rock is cooking
Oh that's what he's cooking I would like a hamburger
ASH3R 1 where’s the beef XD
**omg haha**
I just saw this movie.
Who's laughing now?
Edit: Thanks guys I never got so many likes. It really makes me very happy to see WB do justice to the DC movies. All this time we DC fans have been quiet. No more!
Very good. Excellent film.
Amazing. Just don't expect a action film. It's such an amazing movie
My question(not spoiler type),is it about good or bad joker??(srsly im confused)...
It was amazing
Siddharth Y you wouldn’t get it
“Men whose greatest achievements exist in their own mind”
Got me crying
that's the only place anything exists.
Dabunny Rabbit Are you claiming there is no external world?
There is an external world, but it is how we perceive the world and make it what it is to our own individual selves. If I touched a leaf, the feel of it may be different from that of someone else because of their brain reacting to the texture, as all other living things may react differently to it. The way we perceive the world individually is what the world is in our perceptive reality, but may not be and most likely is not the world for what it truly is, and we may never know what it truly is. It is based off of what we know from our senses and perception of those senses.
The new York crack scene was something else
@@1999_reborn
not at all.
but the external world exists to most people, only because of their/our minds interpretation of it.
"He's dancing around on stairs! Everything he does in this joker suit seems to be his goals."
*he has some weird goals...*
Dude, a actor says something small, matt just spends like all day picking it and exposing it.
Tom Holland: *Sweating intensifies*
HAHAHAAHAHA! I'm a Holland Fan so I've been waiting for this comment forever.😂🤦♀️
Tom ain't in the mcu anymore so he has nothing to spoil
An actor. Not a actor. Who the fuck cares what this skidmark says?
@@Beardy-plays its not even that serious bro XD
@@anthonybarr301 yeah but he still might be spider man in other movies
I prefer my origin to be multiple choice
-The Joker
you got me choking on my salad I swear-
But that would make a confusing movie.
@@exquisitecorpse__ or its shows his back story is so traumatic his brain forced him to forget
I could see the whole file ending with:
"Is that really what happened?"
"Maybe."
@@tyrant-den884 who says that tho
Meta Theory: We DON'T live in a society
We do
Society lives in us
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
We live in our own individual simulacra
@@chrisp.9385 what if lives' us in society
You wanne know how i got these oscars?
-joker
I dont see how making a kid laugh is inappropriate
RioT_InferXo Just bitch parents who want their kid in total silence
Yeah y r mumz like o no a clown beer a cid
Pretty sure it's more a hostule reaction from paranoia of Paedophilia.
It is if you don't know 'em. That's just creepy.
RioT_InferXo true
Once again....your theory seems to be completely believable. Even if it's wrong you've succeeded in perceiving a possibility that can be just as credible as what may actually happen. That is why I keep watching your content.
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@Xinge Gao I could be mistaken, but I believe the general portrayal of schizophrenia as a split personality is something of a common myth or stereotype. I'm not sure how they're connected, but I'm pretty sure you can have schizophrenia without having multiple personalities.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 you are right. A split personality is not a characteristic of schizophrenia, it's a mental illness on its own. People just always confuse them both
@@Smiuley because theyre stupid
im, not brainwashed by it
Nobody:
Matpat: did you know that a fictional character isn’t real
Man, don't go saying that on the threads memorializing iron man.
@@mikearchibald744 but this isn't a thread memorializing Iron Man..?
@@Aheno_ kinda but hey
*IS JUST A THEORY, A FILM THEORY*
@lil crispy SHUT UP
@lil crispy IDIOT
2019 was the age of clowns: Pennywise, Joker, etc.
*"Send in the clowns."*
MatPat: “as he himself says in the final trailer-”
Ad cuts in perfect timing: “iM mArtHA StUaRT”
👏👏
o o p
Blockz Playz lmaoooooo
_Today we are gonna be learning how to make spicy Mexican salsa..._
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME
MatPat: “as he himself says in the final trailer-”
Ad cuts in perfect timing: “iM mArtHA StUaRT”
The photographer taking my school photo:
“keep smiling.”
“kEeP sMiliNg!”
“KEEP SMILING!”
*Sneakily looks at my photo on their computer*
Me: “THIS IS WHY NO ONE SHOULD KEEP SMILING...”
School Photographer: smile
Also photographer: takes 5min to take the godamn picture
Joker : “A joke is subjective person to person”
I watched the movie. And it’s terrific!
Who’s laughing now?
*edit note*
Thanks for the 1k likes. :)
Yeah it was amazing!
English is my second language and I thought this said it was a bad movie until I remember a tumblr post about the stupidity of the English language lol
@@vulfura Yeah, for example: Horrible ----> Horrific.... Terrible ----> Terrific
No one is laughing.
It...was interesting Not a DC movie though more of a horror movie the anything like the Joker imo
"People expect you to behave like you don't." That's very true. From illnesses like schizophrenia to things like dyslexia. I have ADHD, and one of the symptoms of that illness is short term memory problems, I have to ask about things I just heard. And no matter what I say it always makes people angry. They always think I'm not listening or don't care. I am listening and I do care, but I can't behave like them.
I have a rage based form of depression, things that should make me sad cause me to be uncontrollably angry, the medicine for this condition is basically poison that made me so sick I couldn't function
Me: oh cool he probably posted himarymary part -
Matpat:😂
He's such a joker
“I hope my death will make more cents than my life,”
Edit:Thanks for the likes lol. Jokes on you
Oooh I wanna like....but it’s at 69....
All his writing was spelled awfully
Thats like, really deep. I know the cents part may have been a typo but, thats what I think what made it deeper then if it said, "sense".
Artists be like
lightning core Ha! Every painter lol
Im sorry MatPat, but "Mista Jay" has to be said in a girly Boston accent.
Harley Quinn is from Bensonhurst, Brooklyn not Boston.
@@neonsamurai4604 she sounds more Boston
Boston is a totally different state. Brooklynn, New York and it’s also one of the things joker uses to seduce Harley because he picked her part of NY so we’ll
Julius Lowe jersey accent*
Joshua Joesten No. She doesn’t. At all. It’s a NY/NJ accent. The original character morphed between the two, and the Aussie chick does the same.
Mat Pat: *telling facts of schizophrenia*
Me: *starts to question my mental health*
Mat Pat: lets take Fight Club for example.
Me: Rule 1: Don’t talk about Fight Club.
But.....
*YoU jUsT dId*
rule 2: talk shit, get hit!!!! do you get the hint?
Arthur Fleck...
A. Fleck...
Affleck!
BEN AFFLEK was gonna be Batman.
OMG, what does this mean???
Joker is Batman confirmed
Russell Williams *duck voice* AFLAC
Batman is a hallucination in Joker's mind
illuminate confirmed?
Illuminati confirmed. You better lock your doors. Lol
Even the Joker doesn't know his own origin story. "I'm not exactly sure what happened. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" - Joker
I’m still waiting for a Red Hood movie, Jason Todd is such a amazing character, so much darker than batman and so much more violent, he doesn’t have batman’s mentality of not killing and that makes for a far more real and relatable character, and one of the most amazing things is that despite the violence he still helps so many people and is loved by so many people that his existence just seems like a slap on batman’s face, especially since he was the second robin.
Well with Matt Reeves the batman universe maybe we will get that later down the line
Spoiler free? Idk, seems like you just gave the ultimate spoiler lol
Lol right? I'd be damned if this were the actual plot of the film.
If it’s the actual plot I’m gonna be so pissed like what the hell
Same xD
It's not like he leaked the real plot. This is a prediction. I hope we all knew what we were getting ourselves into when we clicked on this video.
i think it's better now that you saw the video. In the movie you can see if reality or not...
Well there is this
Joker: "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another ... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
So this movie fits right in
Sounds like a telltale game
The Killing Joke, which is also where the name Arthur Fleck comes from.
@@mercenarychef9465 Arthur Fleck is a name first used in the 2019 movie btw
I know it hurts to be wrong, kid, but maybe you should pick up a copy of The Killing Joke. You'll find that The Joker uses the name Arthur Fleck to describe the dubious origin story he tells James Gordon. That puts the use of the name as far back as 1988.
@@mercenarychef9465 I have the book in my hands, what page? he literally doesnt. it does hurt doesnt it?
"As he himself says in the final trailer..."
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@@jordy4877 do you love to get people to hate you?
not using adblock in 2019 lol
I got a trailer for It Part 2. And insomnia...
Leumaz Dnazor it’s complicated
The second half of this video has opened my eyes and shown me that even if a movie is forgotten, you never know who it might inspire, as is the case here with a lesser known film directed by Martin Scorsese being used as inspiration for Joker.
Now, I pay more attention to what filmmakers today use as inspiration for their movies.
I can’t wait for the next video
“Thanos isn’t actually thanos”
lmao, for real
He never left the chair
He really snapped HIMSELF at the beginning so he was dreaming about the whole thing 🤣🤣
Or "Your girl isn't actually a girl"
This might be your most probable theory yet before a movie is out.
I think you ment saleable
No, it’s terrible.
Mat- Joker 2019 Spoil Free
Also Mat- Spoils Fight Club
and King of Comedy
MrCarl27 and every other movie he showed clips of.
@@BrandonLikesMovies You got lucky now watch fight club immediately.
Spoiled a 20 year old movie
@@KrunkCobain it's still a spoiler
I just realized the whole study was made by Turkish doctors and the whole paragraph was in Turkish. Thinking of all my teachers’ hand writing,this guys’ one was relatively normal.
aferin
Consumable media: *Does anything slightly unrealistically*
MatPat: "Ackshually..."
*titles video spoiler free*
*includes spoiler last second confirming theory*
Cool man
Exactly... Great "theory", oh here's a review from someone who watched the movie already that backs up this "theory"
lol
And the symptoms contradicted the point. Line 1 of symptoms
Dirty Dan exactly
The movie's out in, like 1 corner of the Earth. But way to spoil it for us by confirming it actually happened.
1940: acid will make him crazy throw him into that
2019: society will make him crazy throw him into that
Edit thanks for so many likes I’ve never gotten so much
Well they're not wrong there lol
Right
We live in a society 🙄 shut up
HEY, TH........at Sounds about right 😦
@@soto8639 I hope you're joking because Banana Master is obviously joking, you better be joking.
The Joker laughing after getting hurt might also be just a weird pain response cause sometimes when I get hurt especially when my head hits something like a wall I laugh or at least I used to
I actually react the exact same way to pain.
Speaking about DC what is scarecrows fear toxin made of and how does it work?
Nigga the joker is the only good thing about DC
I would say mind altering drugs. After all Jonathan Crane worked in various Mental Institutions and sure has a grip on what to use for a full horror trip.
@@goldenhd9656 you're wrong but okay
@@goldenhd9656 no
I think it's some form of hyped up fear hormone from the scarecrow himself
Confirmed: Arthur Fleck is Yuri from Doki Doki Literature Club.
All the symptoms fit.
no knives
Kitten Smurgle how do u think he gets his smile :>
juSt MoNikA
WAIT
And also Josh from Until Dawn.
I'll bet at the end (or even at the beginning) it's revealed that he's in Arkham Asylum telling this story to a certain Dr. Quinzel.
Makes sense
Hmmmm i can't tell if I'd love that or hate that
The one shrink who actually listened and understood...Phillips said he would be open for a sequel if Phoenix is down. Seems like a hell of a way to set it up
It fits in with the origin story as Dr. Quinzel has a degree in treat patience who suffers from schizophrenia and psychosis and the leading doctor in her field
He gets put away in Arkham, dancing. That’s it
matpat: all the scenes with him wearing his joker costume are only hallucinations
joker: well yes but actually no
Even in the comics, it is known that the Joker tells various versions of his own origins. So, you could just chalk it up to that as well.
Did you just talk about
F I g h t C l u b
FIRST RULE OF FIGHT CLUB IS WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!!!
The first rule of fight club is don't talk about fight club
Did you just talk about
we do not speak of the sacred word.
TheOfficial Ashtont Frame
DC: *makes a Joker based movie*
Mat: Not on my watch sherif..
Based
I don't think this movie was originally about the Joker, I think Todd Phillips came up with a story about a random clown but then Warner "lent" the Batman universe.
1:06 a man who just won an Oscar for best actor !
Predicting the punchline? The... killing joke, if you will?
Ah ha ha ha take your $5 and get out of here you joker
No... no. Just, don’t ever say shit again.
You do know there is a Joker comic named "The Killing Joke" right?
Stone Cold Maniac I know, I just don’t find it right with someone making a joke like that
HAHA a "trans comrade". Marx hated gays and said they are a symptom of bourgeois decadence. Useful idiots for Vladimir Lenin 2020!!!
We learn that it was actually Jared Leto’s Joker the whole time. Beautiful
James Taft two?
I love Jared Leto's joker.
“Spoiler Free”
Then proceeds to be right about the movie
How was he right he was actually pretty damn wrong
Dead Pizza He was right about quite a lot from just watching the trailer.
@@emilier.8862 right about what the joker is crazy. He said that Arthur wasn't joker he was completely wrong
Dead Pizza yea but he’s right about the reality thing in the joker some stuff are fantasy
@@dexterthegoat7950 yeah that's Olivia if u you know the joker he imagines things sometimes and also I didn't see them as hallucination as much as they were nausea or his way or converting himself
@mattpat I just wanted to say good job man I've been watching you since your day one on game theory and day one on this channel and you have definitely improved for sure and your theories are always intriguing and backed up pretty well