Heartbeat monitors actually do go silent when heartbeats stop. Flatlining was invented by TV and movies. This is actually the first time I've seen it done right.
This sounded untrue to me, the line being flat is the myth, and the noise itself is not the stereotypical persistent beep, but they do not just go silent when no heartbeat is detected. What would the point be of a monitor that doesn’t let you know when what you’re monitoring for occurs? They don’t hook up monitors to somebody expected to die, either.
@@BL-xz3ym I thought todays monitors are connected and send a silent signal to emergency staff :/ there's not always someone around to hear a beep either
You missed the part where Arthur's boss said "why would anyone steal a sign?" when Arthur said a bunch of kids stole his sign, right after accusing him of stealing a sign.
Mr. Sharp its his fault for handling the situation poorly, -tell the owner someone stole your sign immediately -dont chase down a bunch of kids in clown shoes, you’ll never catch them -if you did catch them, what was the plan, fight a bunch of 10 years old over a sign? -once you did get beat up tell the owner what happened, don’t walk away, how was he supposed to know what happened? from his pov Arthur just dissapeared, sure his clow co-workers knew because Arthur told them but told noone else,
Yeah that bugged me to. They make it clear in the movie that his boss was in the wrong for taking the sign out of his paycheck and reprimanding him for it going missing. Its a shit job, weve all been in shit jobs that take every opportunity to take what they can from you and not listen to you. Theres nothing Aurther could have done that he had not tried and failed befor to save himself here.
As someone in the medical field, when someone’s heart stop, even if it’s a silent alarm, someone would come rushing in to see what happened. It wouldn’t be ignored the way it is in the movie. Yes, you actually have heart monitors that make the flat line noise while others don’t but the main point is, they would be notified when there was a significant change in her vitals.
You’re right, but this was a psychiatric hospital that was understaffed! You can tell by how he steals the records and isn’t tracked down & also the end where he kills the Therapist and just walks out & down the hallway. Plus there’s a city wide protest/riot going on, so I’m sure there’s also a lot more patients that usual! Understaffed & over-admitted = Flatline going unchecked in timely manner
The 11th sin was for a minute of cry-laughing at 1:26. Had they not removed a sin for Phoenix’s performance early, the 11:11 clock sin would have been 12th.
@@jdrok5026 Not all of them, and or in some cases the monitor itself doesn't make tons of noise, the nurses themselves get a signal/notif of the situation at their desk to go and handle the issue, yes ofcourse there are those that make noise but it's still accurate to have this one in the movie.
Jimmy Fallon is awesome. The show is hilarious. The only people who say he isn't funny are the same people who say the Big Bang Theory isn't funny. A.K.A. people with no sense of humor.
@@goodgamesir1750 You mean don't actually have a sense of humor and not hate somebody for no reason? Yeah, sure. Jimmy Fallon is a great dude with hilarious segments and we tape every episode
In that scene he try to run but can't open the locked door because he is too short. That's a rather disturbing joke. Idk if I have to laugh or terrified first time I see that
This is how I feel about watching this cinemasins. I hate this because I loved the joker and yet it is only fair because he does this to every movie, good or bad.
2:36 the cage is for the mail man, he locks it behind himself when distributing the mail because he opens up all the boxes at once, and in those areas they often deliver disability/unemployment checks, and given the time period, likely some work checks as well.
Well, i might be reading too much into this theory but wouldn't someone just attack him before he goes into the cage? Unless he has his mailbag locked up too...? Excuse me i have no knowledge of mailman's tools
UnicornSpaceWhale the idea is that you would feel safe from being cornered while delivering. To attack a mailman in the clear would be too dangerous for a random junkie, and most of the time you would get no money out of it.
Dan Hurd I think most normal people who kill go numb and dissociate for several minutes as they panic and their brains don’t know what to do so they freeze up. That’s why most murderers are caught.
@@TShadowStalker psychological other side of the coin. As in PTSD that soldiers experience. Absolutely that does happen when normal people are put into extreme kill or be killed situations, but this is the joker and being psychotic is his super power.
It's a fairly well known trait that schizophrenics are sometimes inconsistent with things like spelling mistakes and even having more than one handwriting style. I think that was great attention to detail and appearance of authenticity rather than laziness
@Lucas Zoffka Watch the movie, his bosses don't believe him, they literally said the exact quote "Why would anyone steal a sign?" Meaning they would have never believed. It's more questionable that some kids did that but then again teenagers are blunt, cruel people who don't even know what they are doing is cruel till long after the fact.
I don’t know if it’s been answered but here you go: Grew up in NYC and that cage is for the mail carrier. They are going into a private building and who knows what is in there. So they would lock it behind them to be able to put packages away safely
Yes Nerolox because there is no crime in other countries. I wish you were right because people would stop coming here and making it overcrowded. They should have cut us all off 80 years ago. I would be living in Italy if they had.
The thing with the stairs is that he only walks UP them at the start, when things are becoming worse for him. Then, once he cracks, he only ever walks DOWN the stairs.
Thats really interesting. What might the meaning be? While going UP he still has Hope left, but after that all he does is walk down his road of insanity?
@@maxhalle-podell6635 It's not complex. It's subtle and easy to miss if you aren't looking for symbolism. A lot was ham-fisted in Joker, but this wasn't.
2 sins should be taken off: The dirty handrails and too much garbage. The movie tells the viewer that there's a garbage strike and the city is supposed to be gritty.
@DANNYDAW59 I watched a monologue of one of the people that made this movie, and he said it was supposed to look like New York City also. New York City is known to have A LOT of trash piled up everywhere.
@@Dwadedragon Lmaooo you actually think his videos are serious? Most of the sins are usually jokes, people have been getting incredibly butthurt from this single video.
@@laurituomiaro2050 it's clear that he includes real criticism in these videos as well. CS actually used to point out real movie mistakes in the early days, hence the vids being waaayy shorter. It's quite obvious to anyone who has been subbed for years that they've chosen to pad their "sin" count with unfunny "jokes", obscure references, Jeremy pointing out things that are happening on screen, Jeremy asking questions that are answered if you simply watch the movie, etc, in order to lengthen the vid for money. CS tries to hide their critiques under the guise of satire or comedy. Not my fault that I see through it, soooooo not butthurt bruh, just aware of reality
Arthur Fleck is 11 letters. Every time you see a clock Arthur is losing himself a little more. On Murray’s set the clock isn’t on 11:11 because Arthur is now completely the Joker.
I re-watched the movie a few times and noticed whenever Arthur was having a mental snap the clocks were at 11:11, it could be a coincidence but it seems very intentional.
The cage around the mail boxes is to protect the MAILMAN when delivering the mail. Mailman goes it and unlocks ALL the mail boxes at once, is carrying an entire apartment buildings mail in a canvas bag. Some street rat bashes the mailman with a bat and runs away with a hundred Social Security checks and a fistful of food stamps.
@@veselyi110 The mailman could see it coming and or defend himself and or call for help, but having his back turned and dealing with tons of mail and being occupied can have those people sneak up behind him, either way it's a real thing.
The reason why the subway murders started a “spark” in the revolution againts the rich is because before the Joker murdered those people dressed as a clown, Wayne called the protesters “clowns” in the news, so the poor/average class thought that the murderer did it in a clown outfit because of that statement Wayne made, thus kickstarting an eat-the-rich movement.
Amen to that. This movie mercilessly critizised the media and rich people for being out of touch with reality, and disregarding the citizens as evil clowns, thereby creating the movement against them. Which then results in Murray being shot and the city rioting. In an excellent case of irony, the real life media didn't like that critizism and claimed that the movie is dangerous and will cause violence. As result, the movie garnered a lot of interest and made 1 billion dollars. This has to be one of the most glorious times where fictional and real events complement each other.
Plus...I mean, I can see why he sins it. I get it, it's a 'batman' movie. But again, it's supposed to be an origin story for Joker. Bruce isn't even in maybe 7 minutes of the damn movie yet we get so many goddamn Batman references you can't help but feel exhausted.
Actually, the movie has a lot of Easter eggs related to joker's descent into madness. The clock shows 11 because he isn't mad yet. Then at different points in the movie, there comes 10, 9 8 7 6 ...and goes on upto 2, representing that he is on the brink of madness. When he is in the middle of the uprising, the Billboard behind him says ace, showing that he is completely insane at this point.
The biggest flaw in the movie wasn't mentioned here. Arthur crawling into the type of refrigerators that were banned because they are impossible to escape from once inside.
Notice that the use of stairs in the moving signifies Arthur trying to climb out of his life...out of his insanity. Notice the struggle he has climbing the stairs and then when he's shown going down stairs as he descends into insanity. Especially the final time going down the stairs when he's dancing and being generally insane. Loved that symbolism even if it's a bit on the nose.
It’s people like you that ruin this movie, you all try and act like it’s some grand philosophical political commentary and give it more merit than it deserves, Phoenix is the only thing that saved it from being shit
@@usernameusername882 There was literal shit tons of symbolism in this movie to show the jokers descent into madness. OP made a good observation about what seems like intentional symbolism. It's not like he tried to theorize why Shakespeare made romeo wear blue socks on sunday to show hes sad or some shit he just pointed out a very good point of this movies script. Also I dont understand how an audience of a movie can make a movie bad... it's not like he changed the movie because you disagree or dislike what he said doesnt "ruin this movie"
to be fair tho, that further expands on the idea that this is only the very very sad daydream of a broken and sick man. hence him not being the actual joker
@@sizzlemylizzle9142 exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if king of comedy, taxi driver, american psyco and clockwork orange didnt exist this would be the best movie of all time. prove me wrong
@@snythesly agreed man They try way too hard these days on this channel. Some of the "sins" was complete nonsense or intense nitpicking or just straight up guesswork. "I feel like that gun doesn't hold 8 bullets" Such nonsense. And some of the random jokes made by this guy were counted as sins. The one about this movie having lots of great shots (the train) "the best movie I ever hated" was a sin for some reason
I like how the stairs are used in this movie. In the early scenes he has to struggle upwards, to normality, or what passes for it in Arthur life, whereas in the latter stages his descents down various flights is celebrated, even with dance. reflecting his descent into what society deems madness is, for him, inevitable and defining. This movie rewards repeat viewing, although it is depressing as all hell. Still, the film is gorgeous aesthetically speaking and uses its setting really well.
@@lisatrappedmeinygsbasement848 saying shit like Shazam is better, certainly makes your opinion not reliable or trustworthy. I think the film is good, not necessarily the greatest movie I ever saw, but pretty good at what it does. 8 rating out of 10.
I'm struggling to think of a late night talkshow host not named Conan O'Brien who is funny. Fallon just makes a joke and then stares awkwardly until the applause light comes on. Same for Meyers: tell the joke and then make the dumbest possible facial expression. Kimmel hasn't been funny since Man Show, and even that was mostly carried by Adam Corolla's extremely dry humor.
0:51 "Why do people expect the mental ill to act like they're not?" This is literally a quote in the movie. Just a little bit of thought would explain why he ran after them.
Also didn't the boss not care that he got robbed and was still mad at him for losing the sign. I'm starting to think this guy doesn't really watch the movies just looks for shit he can use for a new video
no sin for the Wayne's being out and downtown during riot season, with no body guards, even just leaving the theater was dumb when you can see whats going on outside.
Thomas Wayne is an objectivist icon, who needed no protection because by the virtue of his own existence, as is the case with most libertarians, no harm can come to those that as he put it "made something out of their lives".
@Jon Goat If you invoke Lennon, then you remember that he met him earlier that day, hounding for an autograph. Reagan's assassin also got pretty close to him in '81 despite having bodyguards. Yet, and I stand by it, Thomas Wayne in most of his comic book iterations lived his life as "this will never happen to me". Heck, some adaptations had him in the Owl Society exactly for the reason to conspire and condemn the city for its perceived inherent sins.
@Akos Barati Thomas Wayne is an "objectivist icon"? I don't remember there being ANY Randian connotations associated with his character in the movie. His remark about people who "made something out of their lives" was just a vague generalization that anyone could have said. He's barely even in the movie at all, and we don't even know how he created Wayne Enterprises (let alone what business Wayne Enterprises even does!). And no, most Libertarians do not think that they are invulnerable because they've "made something out of their lives". I think you're reading into the movie what you want to.
@@whatsacone it's funny I see people that never comment on why the movies bad but they goto every comment section spewing garbage durr it's sexist bigot incel garbage. "What do you mean I have to explain why it is those things if I say it is it is"
I need a bad bleep . Why not? It’s actually a great way to get attention if you need to close shop soon and need to sell your stock before it’s worthless... it actually makes a lot of sense and I’ve seen similar things many times.
@@TheWmubronco30 There was a store near my first apartment called "going out of business". Everything they sold was from other stores that had gone under, or their dumped out clearance; it was weird, disjointed stock at long as it was open, and all dirt cheap. I picked up a 50.00 tub of Wilton cookie cutters for 5 bucks. Would have grabbed both, but another lady had the same idea as me.
What do you get when you cross a million mentally ill loner subscribers with a review that abandons them and treats their movie like trash? You get the dislikes you're f*cking deserve! *click*
1:35 "The clock at 11:11 means he is shy, nervous, anxious etc. Which fits the theme of the movie +1 sin" 16:35 "The clock doesn't match 11:11 now that he is opening himself to the public and revealing what he feels for the first time in his life, bruh inconsistent shit +1 sin"
If someone was gonna rob him of mail, they can do that well before he reaches those cages🙄….can’t believe it took years for someone to give you that response. Y’all really liked this movie huh?🤣
That movie made 40 on a budget of 25 million. Not exactly a success story. This movie made a billion on a budget of 50. That may never happen again. All the other movies that have made a billion have usually cost 200 million or more.
For the first time, I agree with the guy, and I usually hate his sins. This isn't a Joker movie, Phoenix did a great job, but its just not a true Joker origin.
Funny maybe I just work in hospital and it's not common knowledge but no they don't just stop beating when your heart dies hince flatlinning. Sin for no RNs rushing to the call right when it happened though and the uneducated comentors on UA-cam trying to criticize cs when they are ignorant themselves
Have you ever even actually seen a heart monitor? When the heart stops (or even gets too slow) an alarm sounds! They don't just go quiet lmao, that would be stupid.
Actually they do what is commonly known as flat lining,when a machine flat lines it makes one continues beep noise but it is not a beep because it does not end until the machine is turned off. That is the point that CS was trying yo make. Please do not r/whooosh me.
Eh. I thought the movie was okay. It crossed the line between homage and plagiarism in a few too many parts. It seemed heavily *"inspired"* by "Taxi Driver" "The King of Comedy" and "The Network" Do watch those movies if you haven't seen them.
Literally one of the Joker's most famous quotes is : "If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice.", we cant take anything about this movie as fact and I love it. Im kinda hoping Joker 2 will be another origin story but its unlikely
Don't think of them a sins just as jokes. I don't think half of the things they sin are really sins but here I am still watching. It's a fun program and a way forus to relive a movie and vent about the little things that annoyed us. Outta Nothing to get offended about.
@Edward Chamberlin That’s just a joke with the channel now, too long of an intro, *sin!* it’s just normal, if you didn’t see it, it would be feel a little weird if it just stopped.
Actually, all the clocks being 11:11 is a reference to the King James bible. The passage reads: "Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them." That sounds an awful lot like it's directly referencing Joker himself. Also, for the gun having 8 bullets, it appears to be a Smith & Wesson Model M&P R8 Revolver 5" .357 Magnum, which is a revolver that holds 8 bullets.
It depends on which book you're quoting from. Leviticus 11:11 reads "They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination", so I guess the movie's a covert vegan propaganda piece?
I still think it’s fun & games lol!! I think they’ll rip into the CGI Addams Family movie next; I liked that film way more than Joker but I’m sure they’ll hate on it almost as equally.
@@aztn19 Yeah.. you "think" that they'll do that after 2.5 hours of the video being uploaded. Are you so serious in getting attention? Actually don't answer..
@mr.magic I genuinely didn’t know that they did. Your notice was the first time that I knew about it! Thanks for the attention I didn’t realize I was searching for when I was liking someone else’s comment!!
I think a lot of these 'sins' are unnecessary. Like the hand railings at the top of some stairs and how dirty they are? This movie I think was incredible and had such an amazing attention to the smallest details. I loved it.
This comment is also unnecessary. But, atlas, just like they give sins for their own reasons, you too comment for you own reasons Also most of the sins aren't serious. It's random sins to laugh at, not an actual movie critique. When you have 123 sins, some are bound to be not-so-great
You see we have this clock up to 11 now; before the counter only went up to 10, but once you hit 10 where can you go, so we put it up to 11. So why don't you make 10 more powerful, and make 10 the highest? Because it goes up to 11.
It's a naked woman, with her arms up and hands behind her head. But her head isn't there, and it looks like he drew on and around her. But if you pause it, you can easily see that it's a naked woman with tig ol' bitties.
I personally would've removed atleast 2 sins- definitely more, but 2 for- 1. for Arthur randomly getting inside the fridge & closing the door, and 2. When he shot "Mur-ray" was amazing, and his acting throughout that entire scene, how he finally broke down into complete madness after the subtle countdown. Jouquin Phoenix's performance was one of the best I've ever seen and I'm NOT saying he's the best Joker. He was just perfect for this particular role in this particular film. Very unique to say the least. This is just my opinion.
The fact that Twilight has less sins than this pisses me off. Edit: Some of the sins don't even make sense and there's one fangirl in the comment section who thinks twilight is better than Joker lmao.
T. Stamp I say this at the risk of getting hate but honestly I agreed with his summation. It’s a very well made movie with amazing acting but I hated watching it.
thats the whole point of the show, is just to take their random shots and apply it. doesn't mean they didn't like it, just means its got a lot of continuity and shit to point out in it
Theory: when the clocks are set to 11:11 he’s hallucinating sitting in the office of the social worker, when they are on any different time he is actually experiencing reality. It might be some variation of this but I think reality might have something to do with the clocks
Jay That actually kinda makes sense because when Arthur accuses his coworker of giving him the gun he denies it. He could be covering his ass, or maybe it really wasn’t him
here's an idea: the ONE clock that doesn't show 11:11 is NOT something that just slipped through the prop master's fingers, but a clue into what is real and not.
Maybe, but also 10 and 8 are the numbers who indicate in phycology power to overcome something, success - which for me indicates that once in his life he has a power in a situation and is a sign for what happens next
@@JoseAguirre-ri8tg with the psychiatrist asking Joker what happened after the riots, and the clocks being at the same time, it could have all been in his head
Dagley Media yeah, it’s quick and cheap way to advertise right in front of the store, plus a lot of people visit the store for the last time and buy their stuff cause it’s usually all on sale
*we have a large mall here in knoxville tn that is closing after 35 years...today (01-31-2020) is the very last day it will be open...there are only three stores left within it...i seriously doubt they will have anyone outside the stores spinning anything*
Exactly, by the time they have those signs, a liquidation company has bought the remaining inventory and are trying to make a profit. Advertising makes sense.
Something about this movie that CS misses is that IT IS 99% hallucination. Almost like the story is being told by Arthur, and he is twisting it to his favor, so that he is comes out almost like a hero, when in reality he is just a psychopath. If you keep that in mind while watching the movie, almost 3/4 of the sins in this video fit in the narrative. From the riots being because of him, to the way everyone treats him. Even the burst out laughing makes more sense if you assume the movie is him telling the story, because it mainly happens just before he kills someone.
@@Blitz-dm3kv Joker's just going around murdering people left and right, there's no security anywhere, he can kill his mother and a talk show host, steal the files at the asylum etc, there's nothing at stake nor any tension to the plot. As pointed out in the video, it's over the top, a bunch of kids beat down a clown and steal his sign, it's just silly and not dark and believable, the way the first two Nolan movies managed to be. Or even better examples, Taxi Driver or Machinist. Machinist as referenced in this video is a underrated masterpiece, where the plot unfolds masterfully, there's a real tension to Christian Bales character and his perception of what is real and descent into madness, where the payoff at the end is huge, and a plot twist that works. Joker doesn't hold a candle to these movies. Like they say, if it was not related to DC you lot wouldn't give two shits about it
Yeah I came up with that (Joaqer, or Joaquer, or whatever) as soon as he was announced to play Joker, and tweeted it, no one gave a shit...how did no one make that pun into a meme? It's like begging for it
It was....but this guy never cared for metaphore or symbolism. Cinema sins is the ultimate contrarian, hate it cuz it's popular. Except he's even bad at that because he doesn't have the balls to go against classics.
Márk Hegedűs You’ve fallen for his trick. The whole point is to make people angry, if anything it’s all a joke. And you’ve fallen for it, welcome to the channel
@@SadisticMutha it is the point. And it's a dumb point. It's about as subtle as a car alarm. This whole movie is as subtle as a car horn. That's why it's funny that he's ignoring the overwrought symbolism of the stairs. It's as deep as a high school book report to see that the stairs relate to his mental health, but that's how deep the movie is.
I've never seen a video that was as forced as this from a pretty high quality youtube channel. It was almost like a parody of cinemasins. Mid way through video I actually was in awe at how terrible this cinemasins was. Wow.
@Jake Stout His videos used to be pointing out genuine sins. Now he sins everything he likes, says “_________ Ex-Machina” at literally everything, or takes a scene out of context and lies just to pad the sin count.
@@novatare but they’re not criticizing. Or reviewing or anything. These videos are made to be funny and for satirical purposes, and they’ve even made it clear in past videos.
The charlie chaplain movie their watching is "Modern Times". It's about Charlie's life as a factory worker and, after having a mental breakdown, he accidentally leads a communist revolution against the rich. I assume it lent some inspiration for the plot of joker.
@@explosivesniping7920 the man literally picked up a flag that fell off a truck, started waving it and calling to the people who dropped it while a mob formed behind him without him knowing
It's not his sign. It's the shop owners. It's like if you work in a bank; you aren't responsible for the money, so if someone robs the place you comply and then call security /police
Jay Archer I was held responsible for a sign a certain store had me hold onto last year. The frame for it broke, and since it was cardboard, it bent in half. I got chewed out and had to pay like.. $40 for all the stuff to make a new one. 😒 But like you said, it’s different in different places as well!
It even said in the movie(though I didn't like the movie, can't believe I'm defending it)that he had to pay for the sign from his own paycheque after it was destroyed.
He did, he's just being a troll for views because he thinks it's funny to make fun of mental illnesses and make up questions that have already been answered while making up corny lies.
4:47 - "it's one of the most well-made movies i ever hated" ofc this being cinemasins take that with a spoon of salt, but i'm not getting a positive vibe from it.
@@niijigod3864 this channel before major popularity was genuine. The critiques were genuine and you knew where you stood. Now it's just a guys pointing out that gravel isn't the right shade of grey or that the director didn't wear enough deodorant, rather than valid points about the movie.
@Oli Black That one's old, I'm definitely not as fun as I was in elementary but I do have a good sense of humor. But from cinema sin's video on Joker that didn't click it for me and I know it didn't for many others who don't like trash-talking on mental illness. Thanks for guessing my social anxiety though that was cool.
@@wwebadgerse I knew where I stood? I hardly watch these guy's videos and plus I haven't looked into their past like that. Your gravel sentence confuses me?
The choice of a Charlie Chaplin movie to be playing must have been intentional, Chaplin was famously anti-capitalist and frequently had a character in his movies who was poor that was used to show what he viewed as the problems with capitalism and worker exploitation.
@@attackhelicopter8218 joker fans are the edgiest people. they froth at the mouths when someone says they dont like the movie. they are cringy wannabes
@@vishvarm1839 not really im the biggest joker fan and i could really care less if people make fun of the film. Its a film its fair gamr to be made fun of.
I felt like the scene was a little underwhelming. That part could’ve been cooler without the weird sound effect thing in the background. Silence > intense soundtracks.
the only and real sin I've heard at all the video and comments. But if you stop to think a little, everything is a little dumb, the way he enter at the movie theater and etc. and it is explained if you think that is a dumb and mental illness that is telling the story. It make sense in this way of thinking
Cinemasins: The books don't matter Also Cinemasins: Alfred is ex-SAS in content outside this movie, that means this guy who we only see as a butler should definitely be a master combatant.
*Murray:* "You have a problem with Thomas Wayne, too?". *Joker:* "Yes, I do". *"This guy has a problem with EVERYONE!".* *CinemaSins:* _sins the movie just for the stairs._ *"This guy has a problem with EVERYTHING!".*
well when he has to do a 20 minute video on how a movie, that was on all accounts incredible, was actually bad he's going to pick on the tinniest things because otherwise it would be five minutes long.
@@ricochet4674 Incredible is an overstatement. Acts 1 and 2 are boring and 3 is 100% predictable. Phoenix is great as Fleck, but the movie is far from incredible.
HeroesDie12 just because you had a rough idea of the outcome doesn’t make it predictable. Act 1 and 2 being boring? Idk man, world building and development is needed. Would you have preferred it if batman showed up and joker and batman had a huge fight and a huge bomb was about to go off and there was some big shitty action scene? Well this wasn’t that kind of movie
@@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486 no. I don't care for the bat. I think the world building could have been done at s better page along with getting to the point his mom's a liar and his world is made up. More time in crazy reality and him building up more nerve (not just killing the guy from work) to do the show would have been interesting.
@@assordante2205 ...you do realize the referance wasnt so that that itd be considered art, it was made because the setting in the movie is around that time granted about a decade later but still its a neat referance that fits the setting.
Okay. I don’t know how many times people need to say this. CinemaSins is a fucking COMEDY UA-cam channel. They are very open about not being accurate or paying attention to being consistent. It’s supposed to be jokes. You can totally not think it’s funny, I usually don’t, but you cannot hold CinemaSins to the standards of fucking Roger Ebert. Jesus Christ.
The further you go into the movie, the more the significance of the 11 was. You can spot numbers from 11 slowly dropping down to an ace at the crash scene, then leading to a clock at the same time the first one was at
well..there IS a difference in writing and typing. With writing, you have time to take a look at it..also autocorrect sometimes goes back and mispells your intended words, but you just keep on moving.
Heartbeat monitors actually do go silent when heartbeats stop. Flatlining was invented by TV and movies. This is actually the first time I've seen it done right.
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This sounded untrue to me, the line being flat is the myth, and the noise itself is not the stereotypical persistent beep, but they do not just go silent when no heartbeat is detected. What would the point be of a monitor that doesn’t let you know when what you’re monitoring for occurs? They don’t hook up monitors to somebody expected to die, either.
@@BL-xz3ym I thought todays monitors are connected and send a silent signal to emergency staff :/ there's not always someone around to hear a beep either
Shows how much time he spends researching versus writing cringy af jokes
“the shots in this movie are amazing! the acting is incredible” *gives the movie a sin*
"Bruce Wayne has too great of a presence in this film" *gives the movie a sin*
"Bruce Who? He doesn't specify his last name" *gives the movie a sin*
@DabonJannies Yea. I dunno if this is what you mean by that comment, but I think he went a bit too far with this video.
Admitting the movie is good in any way is wrongthink. Progressives told him he was supposed to hate it.
@@DraconisMarchVII nailed it.
you can tell that he really wants to like the movie, but its almost as if he knows he's not ALLOWED to like it.
cat snake you’re only allowed to discuss something if it’s for a positive reason and only if you don’t watch the whole thing?
You missed the part where Arthur's boss said "why would anyone steal a sign?" when Arthur said a bunch of kids stole his sign, right after accusing him of stealing a sign.
The owner wouldn't be as skeptical if Arthur came in as soon as the kids stole it.
@@zarbixii so you're blaming the guy who got beat up in an alleyway
This IS rather ironic. "Why did you steal our sign?"
The kids stole my sign!
"Why would anyone wanna steal a sign? Anyway, you're fired kiddo'
Mr. Sharp its his fault for handling the situation poorly,
-tell the owner someone stole your sign immediately
-dont chase down a bunch of kids in clown shoes, you’ll never catch them
-if you did catch them, what was the plan, fight a bunch of 10 years old over a sign?
-once you did get beat up tell the owner what happened, don’t walk away, how was he supposed to know what happened? from his pov Arthur just dissapeared, sure his clow co-workers knew because Arthur told them but told noone else,
Yeah that bugged me to. They make it clear in the movie that his boss was in the wrong for taking the sign out of his paycheck and reprimanding him for it going missing. Its a shit job, weve all been in shit jobs that take every opportunity to take what they can from you and not listen to you. Theres nothing Aurther could have done that he had not tried and failed befor to save himself here.
As someone in the medical field, when someone’s heart stop, even if it’s a silent alarm, someone would come rushing in to see what happened. It wouldn’t be ignored the way it is in the movie. Yes, you actually have heart monitors that make the flat line noise while others don’t but the main point is, they would be notified when there was a significant change in her vitals.
Isn’t it also true that sometimes….they come back to life for a brief moment
You’re right, but this was a psychiatric hospital that was understaffed! You can tell by how he steals the records and isn’t tracked down & also the end where he kills the Therapist and just walks out & down the hallway. Plus there’s a city wide protest/riot going on, so I’m sure there’s also a lot more patients that usual! Understaffed & over-admitted = Flatline going unchecked in timely manner
The question then is was this the case in the 80s
@@AL-xq6jt yes, they even made the stereotypical flag like noises in 80s movies based off of the alarm or silent alarms of heart monitors
Have you been to a Gotham hospital recently? They are woefully short staffed.
1:48 "Anyway, all he clocks being 11:11 is a f*cking sin."
**DlNG**
Movie Sin Counter: 11
I clicked the wrong timestamp
..ed to f*cking pee
I have used UA-cam for several years and not one time have I tried clicking on time stamps
@@planktontimberhill7177 haha same
@gregory harbot look at when it was uploaded too 👀👀
The 11th sin was for a minute of cry-laughing at 1:26.
Had they not removed a sin for Phoenix’s performance early, the 11:11 clock sin would have been 12th.
he sinned the movie for a heart monitor being a heart monitor😂😂😂
But inaccuracy most heartbeat monitors do make noises when a change in rhythm is detected
jdr ok key word is MOST apparently this heart monitor isn’t one of them
@@jdrok5026 Not all of them, and or in some cases the monitor itself doesn't make tons of noise, the nurses themselves get a signal/notif of the situation at their desk to go and handle the issue, yes ofcourse there are those that make noise but it's still accurate to have this one in the movie.
That's how simple minded the interns at cinema sins has become. Jeremy has let his channel fall to shit
jdr ok Actually, it was completely accurate. Heartbeat monitors do not really make a flatline sound.
“I can’t imagine someone awkward at comedy getting a late night talk show”
Jimmy Fallon exists.
Jay Leno too.
Jimmy Fallon is awesome. The show is hilarious. The only people who say he isn't funny are the same people who say the Big Bang Theory isn't funny. A.K.A. people with no sense of humor.
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 PSA: everyone don't be this trey walker guy
@@goodgamesir1750 You mean don't actually have a sense of humor and not hate somebody for no reason? Yeah, sure.
Jimmy Fallon is a great dude with hilarious segments and we tape every episode
Trey Walker I think Jimmy Fallon isn’t funny but Big Bang theory is funny. So wrong there
Poor Gary, he got so much shit during his job and was always the nicest person, and he had to witness a murder. We need more love for poor Gary
At least he didn't die .. Be happy for that .
Hahaha...
Who tf is Gary
@@GameOver-nm2us the short guy who’s his coworker
In that scene he try to run but can't open the locked door because he is too short. That's a rather disturbing joke. Idk if I have to laugh or terrified first time I see that
Did CinemaSins missed a ‘Roll Credits’ moment when Arthur asked to be called the Joker to Murray?
I think he just does that with earlier scenes.
ua-cam.com/video/vyrQK9nFRPY/v-deo.html
I think that running joke is kinda lame though... Imo
I believe you just sinned CinemaSins
Mur-ray
"It's one of the most well-made movies I ever hated."
*Proceeds to add sin* .
Yep.
This is how I feel about watching this cinemasins. I hate this because I loved the joker and yet it is only fair because he does this to every movie, good or bad.
I ruined your 420 likes
Hammurabi the Awesome the bias is real
@Christina Aguilera TV I Madara declared u IDIOT !!
2:36 the cage is for the mail man, he locks it behind himself when distributing the mail because he opens up all the boxes at once, and in those areas they often deliver disability/unemployment checks, and given the time period, likely some work checks as well.
honestly didn't know that and was confused by that scene. Thanks for the info!
Huh, I did not know that was a thing. You rock dude
Well, i might be reading too much into this theory but wouldn't someone just attack him before he goes into the cage? Unless he has his mailbag locked up too...? Excuse me i have no knowledge of mailman's tools
Somebody lives in the tri state👍
UnicornSpaceWhale the idea is that you would feel safe from being cornered while delivering. To attack a mailman in the clear would be too dangerous for a random junkie, and most of the time you would get no money out of it.
"Either way, all the clocks being 11:11 is a sin."
*Sin count goes to 11*
Wow almost like that joke was intended!
Would’ve been the 12th sin, but they took a sin off for Phoenix’s performance early to make the “11” joke work.
That is a cabalistic number for the elites
He gives it a sin because "wow, killing really gives you a lot of energy..."
An adrenaline rush does actually give you a lot of energy.
😨
Dan Hurd I think most normal people who kill go numb and dissociate for several minutes as they panic and their brains don’t know what to do so they freeze up. That’s why most murderers are caught.
@@TShadowStalker psychological other side of the coin. As in PTSD that soldiers experience. Absolutely that does happen when normal people are put into extreme kill or be killed situations, but this is the joker and being psychotic is his super power.
Dan Hurd he gets sin happy sometimes. Really seems like the type that LOVES to hear himself talk.
@@TShadowStalker key word normal
It's a fairly well known trait that schizophrenics are sometimes inconsistent with things like spelling mistakes and even having more than one handwriting style. I think that was great attention to detail and appearance of authenticity rather than laziness
Horrible movie
@ How is it a horrible movie?
@@totallynotalex9878 he is def a kid leave him lol
@@lisatrappedmeinygsbasement848 you are a strange little boy.
Me who has issues with a not consistent handwriting and make a few spelling errors
"Why would Arthur care if his sign was stolen?"
He was literally fired in part because of it
@Lucas Zoffka Watch the movie, his bosses don't believe him, they literally said the exact quote "Why would anyone steal a sign?" Meaning they would have never believed. It's more questionable that some kids did that but then again teenagers are blunt, cruel people who don't even know what they are doing is cruel till long after the fact.
Lucas Zoffka he told him it was stolen. His boss didn’t believe him.
ComicWriter 2020 because he told them after he got fired
Eric Erb no, it was before
@@ericerb6610 no he was fired for bringing a gun to kids at a hospital
I wonder if he made that Bruce Wayne "Twilight" joke while not knowing that Robert Pattinson will be the new Batman 🤣🤣🤣
“I love this movie’s camera shots”
+1 sin
Dismade go cry about it
rockemack this is from like 2 days ago i already cried
Dismade your honesty has filled me with ragrets, my apologies sir
+rockemack L
Graphaeli joker fanboy
Zazie Beetz wasn't his girlfriend in that scene.
Or the other scene.
Or any of them.
None of them. It's all fake.
Yeh what a shitty reveal and plot device. Dunno how anyone actually thought their relationship was real.
@@samb8744 It was all in the mind of a mentally ill person. What else did you expect?
I brought it as first but when he opened the door straight Into a kiss is when I called bs
marc thomas You really need to check your spelling
I don’t know if it’s been answered but here you go:
Grew up in NYC and that cage is for the mail carrier. They are going into a private building and who knows what is in there. So they would lock it behind them to be able to put packages away safely
The US is such a dangerous shithole where people live in constant fear. I'm glad I live in a normal country.
Nerolox good to know, thanks for adding to the conversation👍
Yup,grew up down the street from these stairs
Yes Nerolox because there is no crime in other countries. I wish you were right because people would stop coming here and making it overcrowded. They should have cut us all off 80 years ago. I would be living in Italy if they had.
Paul Osc Slots yeah, sure thing, guy who knows the attendance of home defence seminars.
"Killing gives you a lot of energy"
Yes, it does.
So edgy
God this is cringe
Your not evil
@@Boomshteck dumbass have you heard of adrenaline lol
oh you know that?
"This movie has great scenery, let's add a sin for it"
Here to liven up the reply section
Yeah this reply section kinda empty...where mah boiiis at?
Lol
Lol
Lol
The thing with the stairs is that he only walks UP them at the start, when things are becoming worse for him. Then, once he cracks, he only ever walks DOWN the stairs.
Thats really interesting. What might the meaning be? While going UP he still has Hope left, but after that all he does is walk down his road of insanity?
DubberOne it’s basically symbolism for his decline into what he has become .
Wow so complex
@@maxhalle-podell6635 It's not complex. It's subtle and easy to miss if you aren't looking for symbolism. A lot was ham-fisted in Joker, but this wasn't.
OnlineCitizen 32 i know I was being sarcastic
2 sins should be taken off: The dirty handrails and too much garbage. The movie tells the viewer that there's a garbage strike and the city is supposed to be gritty.
Only 2? Lmao try again.
@DANNYDAW59 I watched a monologue of one of the people that made this movie, and he said it was supposed to look like New York City also. New York City is known to have A LOT of trash piled up everywhere.
The video acknowledges that but still thinks it went overboard
@@Dwadedragon Lmaooo you actually think his videos are serious? Most of the sins are usually jokes, people have been getting incredibly butthurt from this single video.
@@laurituomiaro2050 it's clear that he includes real criticism in these videos as well. CS actually used to point out real movie mistakes in the early days, hence the vids being waaayy shorter. It's quite obvious to anyone who has been subbed for years that they've chosen to pad their "sin" count with unfunny "jokes", obscure references, Jeremy pointing out things that are happening on screen, Jeremy asking questions that are answered if you simply watch the movie, etc, in order to lengthen the vid for money. CS tries to hide their critiques under the guise of satire or comedy. Not my fault that I see through it, soooooo not butthurt bruh, just aware of reality
I like how he added a sin after saying a good thing
Jeremy sinning something he likes cliché
Arthur Fleck is 11 letters. Every time you see a clock Arthur is losing himself a little more. On Murray’s set the clock isn’t on 11:11 because Arthur is now completely the Joker.
how did you even notice that, it's amazing.
I re-watched the movie a few times and noticed whenever Arthur was having a mental snap the clocks were at 11:11, it could be a coincidence but it seems very intentional.
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
R. Speirs nothing in cinema is a coincidence IMO
There are mistakes but never coincidences
Big brain hours
The cage around the mail boxes is to protect the MAILMAN when delivering the mail. Mailman goes it and unlocks ALL the mail boxes at once, is carrying an entire apartment buildings mail in a canvas bag. Some street rat bashes the mailman with a bat and runs away with a hundred Social Security checks and a fistful of food stamps.
THANK YOU! 👏
what exactly would stop the aforementioned street rat from bashing the mailman BEFORE he enters the cage?
@@veselyi110 The mailman could see it coming and or defend himself and or call for help, but having his back turned and dealing with tons of mail and being occupied can have those people sneak up behind him, either way it's a real thing.
@@raionshishi8290 so you're saying you've seen cages like this installed somewhere? or you THINK it is realistic?
@@veselyi110 shut up u sped
Disappointed there was not a “Laughing” bonus round.
Or a Crying bonus round.
Or a Crying/Laughing bonus round.
Disappointed he even attempted to sin this movie.
oh yeah take the piss out of a disability
Title should have been "everything wrong with Joker in a not funny amount of minutes"
@@theKK_spideyfans 1- He said he doesn't like the movie
2- He has sinned movies that he likes, so why wouldn't he sin this?
This is less of a “everything wrong with joker” and more like “everything I don’t like about the joker”
That’s kinda the point of cinemasins if you hadn’t noticed by now
@@scottiebarnes7417 kinda but it definitely shows in this one
@@scottiebarnes7417 now. Before it was legit inconsistencies in a movie.
Seriously, i know its supposed to be satire, but its not even that funny here. "i love the camera shots" *gives a sin*
Joker stalking. Jalking. Jokaulking. Joaquin
The reason why the subway murders started a “spark” in the revolution againts the rich is because before the Joker murdered those people dressed as a clown, Wayne called the protesters “clowns” in the news, so the poor/average class thought that the murderer did it in a clown outfit because of that statement Wayne made, thus kickstarting an eat-the-rich movement.
Amen to that.
This movie mercilessly critizised the media and rich people for being out of touch with reality, and disregarding the citizens as evil clowns, thereby creating the movement against them. Which then results in Murray being shot and the city rioting.
In an excellent case of irony, the real life media didn't like that critizism and claimed that the movie is dangerous and will cause violence. As result, the movie garnered a lot of interest and made 1 billion dollars.
This has to be one of the most glorious times where fictional and real events complement each other.
no sense at all, this is the hole plot of the movie and it's just not believeable.
daniel david except it literally is, did u just read his comment or did u completely ignore
But wait didn’t Wayne call the poor people clowns after the murder was committed ?
ShePlayed Me sooo basically the left wing of America currently ?
Sinning for Batman references...in a movie about The Joker???
Eh, its cinemasins we dont actually care.
It's a movie about society.
Plus...I mean, I can see why he sins it. I get it, it's a 'batman' movie. But again, it's supposed to be an origin story for Joker. Bruce isn't even in maybe 7 minutes of the damn movie yet we get so many goddamn Batman references you can't help but feel exhausted.
Bro 123
@@tombeats7179 Because Thomas Wayne is a main character.
Actually, the movie has a lot of Easter eggs related to joker's descent into madness. The clock shows 11 because he isn't mad yet. Then at different points in the movie, there comes 10, 9 8 7 6 ...and goes on upto 2, representing that he is on the brink of madness. When he is in the middle of the uprising, the Billboard behind him says ace, showing that he is completely insane at this point.
Why ace?
@@RokuHanmar Cards. Just like the joker comes from cards
@@theunslombard9213 I know what an ace is. I meant why an ace specifically?
@@RokuHanmar Because in cards ace is 1
@@theunslombard9213 Ace card can be 1 or 11.
The biggest flaw in the movie wasn't mentioned here. Arthur crawling into the type of refrigerators that were banned because they are impossible to escape from once inside.
Notice that the use of stairs in the moving signifies Arthur trying to climb out of his life...out of his insanity. Notice the struggle he has climbing the stairs and then when he's shown going down stairs as he descends into insanity. Especially the final time going down the stairs when he's dancing and being generally insane. Loved that symbolism even if it's a bit on the nose.
Good observation.
It’s people like you that ruin this movie, you all try and act like it’s some grand philosophical political commentary and give it more merit than it deserves, Phoenix is the only thing that saved it from being shit
@@usernameusername882 yeah, you clearly haven't understood Joker's life
@@usernameusername882 There was literal shit tons of symbolism in this movie to show the jokers descent into madness. OP made a good observation about what seems like intentional symbolism. It's not like he tried to theorize why Shakespeare made romeo wear blue socks on sunday to show hes sad or some shit he just pointed out a very good point of this movies script. Also I dont understand how an audience of a movie can make a movie bad... it's not like he changed the movie because you disagree or dislike what he said doesnt "ruin this movie"
Paulo Monteiro oOOooo U hAVEnT uNdErsTood hiS LiFe my man was literally a fucking lunatic just because his mom was bad like grow tf up.
"I wouldn't touch those handrails if you paid me a hundred dollars"
*Gives the movie a sin*
Okay
Makes sense
it's cause the joker touches them
I would touch them, Especially since i now know the Joker touched them.
@@badposture4968 thats actually akward
Spooky Pumpkin bruh. The Joker is awesome why wouldn’t you wanna touch something he touched? It’s a once In a lifetime experience smh
“I’m giving this movie a sin for all the clocks being 11:11”
*TING*
*Is the 11th sin*
😳😳😳
16:21 Wtf why didn't they blur that
Coincidence? I think *_NOT_*
I AM 666
At 111 seconds aka 1:51
"Every clock is 11:11" "oh shit, a clock that isn't 11:11 right here on the Murray show, sin for consistency'
“I can’t imagine someone awkward at comedy getting a late night talk show."
Lilly Singh.
Big OOF
to be fair tho, that further expands on the idea that this is only the very very sad daydream of a broken and sick man. hence him not being the actual joker
@@sizzlemylizzle9142 exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if king of comedy, taxi driver, american psyco and clockwork orange didnt exist this would be the best movie of all time. prove me wrong
Awkward is putting it nicely
Jasper Weinbeger your opinion
Joker: *breathes*
CinemaSins: "Your sin is unforgivable."
Bruh, fr
At 8:06 he says bruce what banner etc etc i mean he is at the wayne Mansion which bruce he finds?
Garbage movie
Lime Green it was amazing what
@ because it represents your sad life
"I wouldn't touch those handrails if you paid me a hundred dollars"
*sins the movie*
what
This channel is trying so hard to be funny and sounding so smart in the same time so what did you expect
@@oriijin5639 it's so condescending and cringe at this point
This real life setting is dirty!
I hate this movie, Joker bad!
@@snythesly agreed man
They try way too hard these days on this channel. Some of the "sins" was complete nonsense or intense nitpicking or just straight up guesswork.
"I feel like that gun doesn't hold 8 bullets"
Such nonsense.
And some of the random jokes made by this guy were counted as sins.
The one about this movie having lots of great shots (the train) "the best movie I ever hated" was a sin for some reason
Lmao ItzYadaran then why do you still watch
I like how the stairs are used in this movie. In the early scenes he has to struggle upwards, to normality, or what passes for it in Arthur life, whereas in the latter stages his descents down various flights is celebrated, even with dance. reflecting his descent into what society deems madness is, for him, inevitable and defining. This movie rewards repeat viewing, although it is depressing as all hell. Still, the film is gorgeous aesthetically speaking and uses its setting really well.
God forbid they put a Batman reference in a movie about his greatest enemy. The Joker
Lime Green so do you❤️
Clorox Bleach It is one of my favorite movies, I think it’s good in my opinion
@@lisatrappedmeinygsbasement848 saying shit like Shazam is better, certainly makes your opinion not reliable or trustworthy. I think the film is good, not necessarily the greatest movie I ever saw, but pretty good at what it does. 8 rating out of 10.
@@lisatrappedmeinygsbasement848 shazam was DC's horrible attempt at stealing the Deadpool idea from Marvel..
It wasn't even a Batman reference anyways
He says, "I can’t imagine someone awkward at comedy getting a late night talk show" Murray basically has Jay Leno's style
Leno had a shit load of charisma when he got his show
I'm struggling to think of a late night talkshow host not named Conan O'Brien who is funny. Fallon just makes a joke and then stares awkwardly until the applause light comes on. Same for Meyers: tell the joke and then make the dumbest possible facial expression. Kimmel hasn't been funny since Man Show, and even that was mostly carried by Adam Corolla's extremely dry humor.
I know Murray is played by Robert DeNiro but for some reason, I see Robert DeNiro is playing Jay Leno.
Bob Papadopoulos Dave Chappell
"Welcome to Gotham - here you have to walk UP to get to Hell"
would make a great city motto
Welcome to Gotham, we got ham... and other groceries
@@Araneus21 lmao
It's also like that in Birmingham - UK so maybe they should have it as their motto instead. Not sorry lmao 🤷♀️😁
@@bopperette7260 cringe
“Mattresside” made me lose it. I almost choked.
I feel like some of the best sins Jeremy and team ever comes up with are the ones where he sums up a moment in one or two (often punny) words.
0:51 "Why do people expect the mental ill to act like they're not?"
This is literally a quote in the movie. Just a little bit of thought would explain why he ran after them.
yeaaaa, great point.
Also didn't the boss not care that he got robbed and was still mad at him for losing the sign. I'm starting to think this guy doesn't really watch the movies just looks for shit he can use for a new video
Echo SD I don’t think that’s his only illness considering large chunks of the movie is him hallucinating and he has no problem murdering people.
@@quackquackx Around that time, he was on medication, so he had some sort of control on his actions.
no sin for the Wayne's being out and downtown during riot season, with no body guards, even just leaving the theater was dumb when you can see whats going on outside.
Thomas Wayne is an objectivist icon, who needed no protection because by the virtue of his own existence, as is the case with most libertarians, no harm can come to those that as he put it "made something out of their lives".
@Jon Goat If you invoke Lennon, then you remember that he met him earlier that day, hounding for an autograph. Reagan's assassin also got pretty close to him in '81 despite having bodyguards.
Yet, and I stand by it, Thomas Wayne in most of his comic book iterations lived his life as "this will never happen to me". Heck, some adaptations had him in the Owl Society exactly for the reason to conspire and condemn the city for its perceived inherent sins.
People are stupid and do stupid mistakes when stressed or pressured. I dont think that would be a sin.
Yeah it's not a sin if it the character is portrayed correctly.
@Akos Barati Thomas Wayne is an "objectivist icon"? I don't remember there being ANY Randian connotations associated with his character in the movie. His remark about people who "made something out of their lives" was just a vague generalization that anyone could have said. He's barely even in the movie at all, and we don't even know how he created Wayne Enterprises (let alone what business Wayne Enterprises even does!). And no, most Libertarians do not think that they are invulnerable because they've "made something out of their lives". I think you're reading into the movie what you want to.
The 11th sin is about how the clocks read 11:11.
I’m sinning that.
Quintusblake oh my gosh I was the 11th like on this comment 😂 winner winner chicken dinner
im giving it 11 sins because it wasn't at the 11:11 point of the video
technically its the 12th...
don't kill me pls
@@vesti4785 : Yes, that's why he had to remove the sin for Joaquin Phoenix's acting (which he could have done at any time) first.
Joaquin owned this role and never left me astray in the whole film.He transformed and i was watching magic onscreen.
@@whatsacone it's funny I see people that never comment on why the movies bad but they goto every comment section spewing garbage durr it's sexist bigot incel garbage. "What do you mean I have to explain why it is those things if I say it is it is"
@@crispylizard4348 😯 triggered hard af by a one word post...yikes, indeed
@@_cloudface_ yikes triggered by someone getting triggered.
ALSO also, no roll-credits sin for the "can you introduce me as Joker"?
Yeah that was the first thing I thought when I saw it in the theater and Robert DeNiro said "Get a load of this Joker!".
G-Unit1111 that’s Harley Quinn’s line in super villain bowl
Stores use "Going Out of Business" as a sales strategy all the time.
He was talking about the clown no the sign no one needs a clown sign spinner to show going out of business
I need a bad bleep . Why not? It’s actually a great way to get attention if you need to close shop soon and need to sell your stock before it’s worthless... it actually makes a lot of sense and I’ve seen similar things many times.
That just the guys from the zohan.
There was a furniture store in the town I went to college that was going out of business for all 4 years I was there
@@TheWmubronco30 There was a store near my first apartment called "going out of business". Everything they sold was from other stores that had gone under, or their dumped out clearance; it was weird, disjointed stock at long as it was open, and all dirt cheap.
I picked up a 50.00 tub of Wilton cookie cutters for 5 bucks. Would have grabbed both, but another lady had the same idea as me.
*19 minutes long*
How bout another joke Jeremay
😂
✨👌💯 🤫 🤭
What do you get when you cross a million mentally ill loner subscribers with a review that abandons them and treats their movie like trash? You get the dislikes you're f*cking deserve! *click*
@@NoLiveking87 And always remember, unsubscribe!
cinema sins gets a sin for not understanding what dyslexia is
1:35 "The clock at 11:11 means he is shy, nervous, anxious etc. Which fits the theme of the movie +1 sin"
16:35 "The clock doesn't match 11:11 now that he is opening himself to the public and revealing what he feels for the first time in his life, bruh inconsistent shit +1 sin"
Pretty hypocritical since CinemaSins isn't consistent with their reasoning lol
I think he’s saying that the fact that everything takes place at 11:11 is sinful. Not the actual symbolism.
Watch th3birdman page. They do everything wrong with cinemasins channel videos. Haha he’s awesome
No one noticed this was the 11th sin
KevThaSalty Nobody seems to realise that it’s not something to be taken super seriously either
"All the clocks being 11:11 is a sin".
And was it by accident or design for that particular sin to be the 11th sin?
Virtual_Viking I’m sure it was done on purpose.
I'm anxious :(
Coincidence or... ALIENS?!?
Virtual_Viking OOOOOHHH GOT EM
The only reason I watched this video was to see how long it would take Jeremy to subtract a sin for Joaquin's performance
Just a guess, the mailbox cage is for the mailman to lock himself in when he's vulnerable distributing mail to the various boxes.
If someone was gonna rob him of mail, they can do that well before he reaches those cages🙄….can’t believe it took years for someone to give you that response. Y’all really liked this movie huh?🤣
"If this wasn't called Joker, would you have seen it?"
I mean, I saw Falling Down, and that's basically the same story, so...
That movie made 40 on a budget of 25 million. Not exactly a success story.
This movie made a billion on a budget of 50. That may never happen again. All the other movies that have made a billion have usually cost 200 million or more.
For the first time, I agree with the guy, and I usually hate his sins. This isn't a Joker movie, Phoenix did a great job, but its just not a true Joker origin.
@@grizzakaful True, but I mean, anything with Joaquin Phoenix in would make me go see it- if it was a train wreck to critiques or not 🙃🙂
in this instance, he's definitely talking to the large majority.
So you’re a Quick Question fan too?
joaquin Phoenix's acting is next level in this movie
In every movie
LoL, his acting sucked and the script was beyond dumb, it was stupid hacky garbage
@@PaulAlbrecht82 nice bait bitch
@@Xatroid 😂😂
True
"do heart monitors just go beep when someones heart beats and stop when the heart stops?" yes thats what theyre for wtf
lol
That was the dumbest thing he could have said tbh
Funny maybe I just work in hospital and it's not common knowledge but no they don't just stop beating when your heart dies hince flatlinning. Sin for no RNs rushing to the call right when it happened though and the uneducated comentors on UA-cam trying to criticize cs when they are ignorant themselves
Have you ever even actually seen a heart monitor? When the heart stops (or even gets too slow) an alarm sounds! They don't just go quiet lmao, that would be stupid.
Actually they do what is commonly known as flat lining,when a machine flat lines it makes one continues beep noise but it is not a beep because it does not end until the machine is turned off. That is the point that CS was trying yo make.
Please do not r/whooosh me.
The "how would this get framed as rich vs poor" clearly cinemasins doesn't own social media or ever read the news
you know a movie is good when CinemaSins adds a sin for absolutely everything and its still below 130 sins
Except he hated the movie.
@@LegendaryTerrorist32 nah That's just a joke
This movies garbage moron
@ you must be 9 years old lol
Eh. I thought the movie was okay. It crossed the line between homage and plagiarism in a few too many parts. It seemed heavily *"inspired"* by "Taxi Driver" "The King of Comedy" and "The Network"
Do watch those movies if you haven't seen them.
"That being said, all the clocks reading 11:11 is a f*cking sin."
Sin counter: 11
Just saying the time stamp you put down is perfect to hear something that scares gamers to the core
This movies horrible
@
"Society"
At 11:11 the movie sin timer is 11 minutes
Therefore that sin is a sin for saying it is a sin
One sin for the lady on the bus, she didn't gave back the card to Arthur
Ya that bothered me too
Which is actually a relevant plot point later when he doesn’t have the card...
In other words, that lady killed batman's parents.
nico freiler if you think about it
SuperCorporation this channel nitpicks movies for fun don’t take it so seriously there not trying to criticize the movie it’s all for fun
Literally one of the Joker's most famous quotes is : "If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice.", we cant take anything about this movie as fact and I love it. Im kinda hoping Joker 2 will be another origin story but its unlikely
*Literally, every logo in a movie*
CinemaSins : _+1 sin_
amirave 69 It’s obnoxious. I found ZERO wrong with the title cards and logos in this movie.
Don't think of them a sins just as jokes. I don't think half of the things they sin are really sins but here I am still watching. It's a fun program and a way forus to relive a movie and vent about the little things that annoyed us. Outta Nothing to get offended about.
the sins mean nothing though. i mean he literally compliments the movie and then gives it a sin. each sin is just for each thing he says.
No, Monsters Inc didn’t. He took off sins because the logos were only 10 seconds.
@Edward Chamberlin
That’s just a joke with the channel now, too long of an intro, *sin!* it’s just normal, if you didn’t see it, it would be feel a little weird if it just stopped.
Actually, all the clocks being 11:11 is a reference to the King James bible. The passage reads:
"Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them."
That sounds an awful lot like it's directly referencing Joker himself.
Also, for the gun having 8 bullets, it appears to be a Smith & Wesson Model M&P R8 Revolver 5" .357 Magnum, which is a revolver that holds 8 bullets.
It depends on which book you're quoting from. Leviticus 11:11 reads "They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination", so I guess the movie's a covert vegan propaganda piece?
Nah
You’re strangely really educated
11:11 is when carnivale starts. His clown name is Carnivale. It is a demonstration of the releasing of madness.
You are my savior. Now just explain the whole movie if it were fake or not and give a reasonable explanation and you shall be promoted to my god.
Cinemasins is all fun and games until they make a video on a movie you like lol
My favorite CinemaSins are about films I like.. love, actually.
Cinemasins is all fun and games until you realize is the same set of jokes all over again
I still think it’s fun & games lol!! I think they’ll rip into the CGI Addams Family movie next; I liked that film way more than Joker but I’m sure they’ll hate on it almost as equally.
@@aztn19 Yeah.. you "think" that they'll do that after 2.5 hours of the video being uploaded. Are you so serious in getting attention? Actually don't answer..
@mr.magic I genuinely didn’t know that they did. Your notice was the first time that I knew about it! Thanks for the attention I didn’t realize I was searching for when I was liking someone else’s comment!!
I think a lot of these 'sins' are unnecessary. Like the hand railings at the top of some stairs and how dirty they are? This movie I think was incredible and had such an amazing attention to the smallest details. I loved it.
This comment is also unnecessary. But, atlas, just like they give sins for their own reasons, you too comment for you own reasons
Also most of the sins aren't serious. It's random sins to laugh at, not an actual movie critique. When you have 123 sins, some are bound to be not-so-great
CinemaSins: All the clocks being 11:11 is a sin
*MOVIE SIN COUNTER IS NOW 11*
Something fishy is going on here...
ALS I GOT 5 ON IT🎶
You see we have this clock up to 11 now; before the counter only went up to 10, but once you hit 10 where can you go, so we put it up to 11. So why don't you make 10 more powerful, and make 10 the highest? Because it goes up to 11.
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
WOW
"All the clocks being 11:11 is a f*cking sin!"
*adds* *sin* *number* *11*
And then proceeds to sin a clock not at 11:11.
Savage.
I never noticed that!
(X-files music plays)
16:21
TheBirdman wasn't lying. They accidentally left PRON in the video without censoring it
Is it some kind of magic eye, tilt your head and squint stuff?
It's a naked woman, with her arms up and hands behind her head. But her head isn't there, and it looks like he drew on and around her. But if you pause it, you can easily see that it's a naked woman with tig ol' bitties.
@@Gamerman2077 you must be young, and never had to watch blurry porno on the TV when you were younger
Welp, time to take this video down
I looked at it for about 8 minutes and I see nothing but an x or 3 blurry shapes
I personally would've removed atleast 2 sins- definitely more, but 2 for-
1. for Arthur randomly getting inside the fridge & closing the door, and
2. When he shot "Mur-ray" was amazing, and his acting throughout that entire scene, how he finally broke down into complete madness after the subtle countdown.
Jouquin Phoenix's performance was one of the best I've ever seen and I'm NOT saying he's the best Joker. He was just perfect for this particular role in this particular film. Very unique to say the least. This is just my opinion.
The fact that Twilight has less sins than this pisses me off.
Edit: Some of the sins don't even make sense and there's one fangirl in the comment section who thinks twilight is better than Joker lmao.
Twilight was arguably better than this movie.
@@assordante2205 lmao was it the sparkles on his skin that did it for you?
@@assordante2205 How so?
@@assordante2205 said by who lmfaooo
LOVE Twilight
It's both acquired taste and message from the collective unconscious.
See my 50 Shades video
Sounds like Jeremy didn’t like the movie? Or did the people who wrote these jokes not like it?
T. Stamp I say this at the risk of getting hate but honestly I agreed with his summation. It’s a very well made movie with amazing acting but I hated watching it.
@@DaFunBroz admittedly, the plot is far fetched. But dam, Phoenix is one helluva actor
Welcome to Cinemasins, asshole
It’s his job
thats the whole point of the show, is just to take their random shots and apply it. doesn't mean they didn't like it, just means its got a lot of continuity and shit to point out in it
Theory: when the clocks are set to 11:11 he’s hallucinating sitting in the office of the social worker, when they are on any different time he is actually experiencing reality. It might be some variation of this but I think reality might have something to do with the clocks
Mason Holitza yeah I was thinking the same thing when I spotted the whole clock thing in the cinema
Fascinating Theory
but the clock inside the office also reads 11:11
Jay That actually kinda makes sense because when Arthur accuses his coworker of giving him the gun he denies it. He could be covering his ass, or maybe it really wasn’t him
11:11 it's a symbolic for smile.
In Germany, carnival season starts on November 11, at precisely 11:11 am - each year. That is when everyone is allowed to act insane.
here's an idea: the ONE clock that doesn't show 11:11 is NOT something that just slipped through the prop master's fingers, but a clue into what is real and not.
Maybe, but also 10 and 8 are the numbers who indicate in phycology power to overcome something, success - which for me indicates that once in his life he has a power in a situation and is a sign for what happens next
Then that would imply that every time we saw a clock at 11:11 that never happened? That's hard to believe.
@@JoseAguirre-ri8tg also in German folklore 11:11 is time of the Joker..
hushhush 901 I’m not trying to doubt you but what’s the psychological significance of 10 and 8? I’m genuinely curious
@@JoseAguirre-ri8tg with the psychiatrist asking Joker what happened after the riots, and the clocks being at the same time, it could have all been in his head
Stores, even in 2020, will hire someone to stand at the road waving a store closing sign. It's a thing.
Dagley Media yeah, it’s quick and cheap way to advertise right in front of the store, plus a lot of people visit the store for the last time and buy their stuff cause it’s usually all on sale
*we have a large mall here in knoxville tn that is closing after 35 years...today (01-31-2020) is the very last day it will be open...there are only three stores left within it...i seriously doubt they will have anyone outside the stores spinning anything*
Yeah...but a clown
@@legendaryseph9406 At halloween I saw a Banana waving a sign outside a costume shop.
Exactly, by the time they have those signs, a liquidation company has bought the remaining inventory and are trying to make a profit. Advertising makes sense.
The seat I sat in while watching this movie was uncomfortable
Ting!
LMAO
D I N G !
The guy 3 seats down from me was eating popcorn loudly, I’m adding 30 sins. d-d-d-ddding
The soda I drank had more ice cubes than the actual beverage.
Ting!
This movie made a billion dollars, Ding!
Something about this movie that CS misses is that IT IS 99% hallucination.
Almost like the story is being told by Arthur, and he is twisting it to his favor, so that he is comes out almost like a hero, when in reality he is just a psychopath.
If you keep that in mind while watching the movie, almost 3/4 of the sins in this video fit in the narrative.
From the riots being because of him, to the way everyone treats him. Even the burst out laughing makes more sense if you assume the movie is him telling the story, because it mainly happens just before he kills someone.
More than likely, he is a late middle aged (by Batman's time) Arkham inmate who fantasizes about being the Joker.
Joker: sets up a terrible society
Cinemasins: sins the movie for having a terrible society
It's not a sin for being terrible, it's a sin for not being believable
Leo B It’s Gotham city. What did you expect?
Leo B did you ever look at Gotham in a comic book, movie or tv show EVER?
@@Blitz-dm3kv Joker's just going around murdering people left and right, there's no security anywhere, he can kill his mother and a talk show host, steal the files at the asylum etc, there's nothing at stake nor any tension to the plot. As pointed out in the video, it's over the top, a bunch of kids beat down a clown and steal his sign, it's just silly and not dark and believable, the way the first two Nolan movies managed to be. Or even better examples, Taxi Driver or Machinist. Machinist as referenced in this video is a underrated masterpiece, where the plot unfolds masterfully, there's a real tension to Christian Bales character and his perception of what is real and descent into madness, where the payoff at the end is huge, and a plot twist that works. Joker doesn't hold a candle to these movies. Like they say, if it was not related to DC you lot wouldn't give two shits about it
Leo B Like I said. Welcome to Gotham
"joker stalking"
"jalking"
"jokalking"
...
Maybe also include
"joaqing"
""joaqualking"
Walkin' pheonix
Yeah I came up with that (Joaqer, or Joaquer, or whatever) as soon as he was announced to play Joker, and tweeted it, no one gave a shit...how did no one make that pun into a meme? It's like begging for it
Sounds like ducks. Quacking
O
*ding*
I thought the thing about the stairs was a metaphorical for his mentality going up an down constantly
It was....but this guy never cared for metaphore or symbolism. Cinema sins is the ultimate contrarian, hate it cuz it's popular. Except he's even bad at that because he doesn't have the balls to go against classics.
Márk Hegedűs You’ve fallen for his trick. The whole point is to make people angry, if anything it’s all a joke. And you’ve fallen for it, welcome to the channel
Blind Wolf Exactly. The people that take him seriously are the real clowns.
I know what he does and why, I have watched his videos for years. I just wondered if that was the point, calm down people
@@SadisticMutha it is the point. And it's a dumb point. It's about as subtle as a car alarm. This whole movie is as subtle as a car horn. That's why it's funny that he's ignoring the overwrought symbolism of the stairs. It's as deep as a high school book report to see that the stairs relate to his mental health, but that's how deep the movie is.
I've never seen a video that was as forced as this from a pretty high quality youtube channel.
It was almost like a parody of cinemasins.
Mid way through video I actually was in awe at how terrible this cinemasins was. Wow.
@Jake Stout His videos used to be pointing out genuine sins. Now he sins everything he likes, says “_________ Ex-Machina” at literally everything, or takes a scene out of context and lies just to pad the sin count.
@Jake Stout Satire only works if it's funny.
@Jake Stout I'll rephrase it, then; it has to be made clear that it's satire. It shouldn't pretend to be both satirical and actual criticism.
@@novatare but they’re not criticizing. Or reviewing or anything. These videos are made to be funny and for satirical purposes, and they’ve even made it clear in past videos.
@@Freak5thGen In which video have they made it clear?
The charlie chaplain movie their watching is "Modern Times". It's about Charlie's life as a factory worker and, after having a mental breakdown, he accidentally leads a communist revolution against the rich. I assume it lent some inspiration for the plot of joker.
Riley Richardson “accidentally”
@@explosivesniping7920 "Help i accidentally restart the USSR machine"
@@explosivesniping7920 the man literally picked up a flag that fell off a truck, started waving it and calling to the people who dropped it while a mob formed behind him without him knowing
Ethan Micallef it was a joke
Dien Binh *THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS*
“Why would he chase after a sign?!”
I mean, getting a sign, then getting it personally designed, in my town, that costs 50-150 dollars
It's not his sign. It's the shop owners. It's like if you work in a bank; you aren't responsible for the money, so if someone robs the place you comply and then call security /police
Jay Archer True that
Jay Archer Depends some places hold you responsible to your sign, badges and some other stuff.
Jay Archer I was held responsible for a sign a certain store had me hold onto last year. The frame for it broke, and since it was cardboard, it bent in half. I got chewed out and had to pay like.. $40 for all the stuff to make a new one. 😒 But like you said, it’s different in different places as well!
It even said in the movie(though I didn't like the movie, can't believe I'm defending it)that he had to pay for the sign from his own paycheque after it was destroyed.
I honestly can’t tell if he liked the movie or not.
He did, he's just being a troll for views because he thinks it's funny to make fun of mental illnesses and make up questions that have already been answered while making up corny lies.
4:47 - "it's one of the most well-made movies i ever hated"
ofc this being cinemasins take that with a spoon of salt, but i'm not getting a positive vibe from it.
@@niijigod3864 this channel before major popularity was genuine. The critiques were genuine and you knew where you stood. Now it's just a guys pointing out that gravel isn't the right shade of grey or that the director didn't wear enough deodorant, rather than valid points about the movie.
@Oli Black That one's old, I'm definitely not as fun as I was in elementary but I do have a good sense of humor. But from cinema sin's video on Joker that didn't click it for me and I know it didn't for many others who don't like trash-talking on mental illness. Thanks for guessing my social anxiety though that was cool.
@@wwebadgerse I knew where I stood? I hardly watch these guy's videos and plus I haven't looked into their past like that. Your gravel sentence confuses me?
The choice of a Charlie Chaplin movie to be playing must have been intentional, Chaplin was famously anti-capitalist and frequently had a character in his movies who was poor that was used to show what he viewed as the problems with capitalism and worker exploitation.
"Everything wrong with Joker"
Me: "That's gonna be painful to watch."
Really didn’t need this video. CS has lost there mind and their funny.
@@Standdividedfalltogether "No movie is without sin". That's their motto, tf you mean? And this one definetly has plenty
@@Standdividedfalltogether a sin or not, it's fukkin cinema sins.... i would still watch his videos
Same i absolutely fucking loved this movie.
@@Standdividedfalltogether Do you love this movie so much that Cinemasins shouldn't make this video?
"This is a great shot"
*Gives it a sin
??????
CinemaSins is that type of Uh-Oh-So-Random-Edgy-I'm-so-funny humor.
@@TheAmubis just like Joker fans
@@attackhelicopter8218 joker fans are the edgiest people. they froth at the mouths when someone says they dont like the movie. they are cringy wannabes
@@vishvarm1839 not really
@@vishvarm1839 not really im the biggest joker fan and i could really care less if people make fun of the film. Its a film its fair gamr to be made fun of.
No sin off for the “you get what you fucking deserve” scene?
Agreed. That scene was so schocking and absolutely amazing. Iz deserves a sin removal
no cause it's overrated
@@Alexroux78 fucking how?
I felt like the scene was a little underwhelming. That part could’ve been cooler without the weird sound effect thing in the background. Silence > intense soundtracks.
12:36 Even though it’s been said and displayed many times before, you seem to forget he doesn’t have control over it
Here’s another sin:
Why wasn’t there security who searched joker before he went on the show to see if he had any weapons on him.
cause he was white
Joseph Hutchinson because it’s before 9/11 and security was a lot looser in the ‘80s
the only and real sin I've heard at all the video and comments. But if you stop to think a little, everything is a little dumb, the way he enter at the movie theater and etc. and it is explained if you think that is a dumb and mental illness that is telling the story. It make sense in this way of thinking
It was the 80s. Gun violence, airport safety, and terrorism wasn't greatly worried about in America until 9/11.
@@outstandingdogmarron9890 It might be one main reason why the movie is set in that era.
"This is a great shot this movie is full of great shots"
*Adds sin*
S'moresy it was a joke which you obviously didn’t get
"This is one of the greatest movie I ever hated." I loved that.
Justin Lacombe I didn’t say that though.
@@summertyme5748 what
@@summertyme5748 r u the cinemasins?
@@summertyme5748 Did you have a stroke or something?
Cinemasins: The books don't matter
Also Cinemasins: Alfred is ex-SAS in content outside this movie, that means this guy who we only see as a butler should definitely be a master combatant.
KEEP DEFENDING THIS FUCKIN TRASH U BUTTHURT CRYBABY😂😂😂😂
@@lisatrappedmeinygsbasement848 I don't think anyone was defending him, they were actually using his own logic against him
*Murray:* "You have a problem with Thomas
Wayne, too?".
*Joker:* "Yes, I do".
*"This guy has a problem with EVERYONE!".*
*CinemaSins:* _sins the movie just for the stairs._
*"This guy has a problem with EVERYTHING!".*
well when he has to do a 20 minute video on how a movie, that was on all accounts incredible, was actually bad he's going to pick on the tinniest things because otherwise it would be five minutes long.
Stairs are evil
@@ricochet4674 Incredible is an overstatement. Acts 1 and 2 are boring and 3 is 100% predictable. Phoenix is great as Fleck, but the movie is far from incredible.
HeroesDie12 just because you had a rough idea of the outcome doesn’t make it predictable. Act 1 and 2 being boring? Idk man, world building and development is needed. Would you have preferred it if batman showed up and joker and batman had a huge fight and a huge bomb was about to go off and there was some big shitty action scene? Well this wasn’t that kind of movie
@@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486 no. I don't care for the bat. I think the world building could have been done at s better page along with getting to the point his mom's a liar and his world is made up. More time in crazy reality and him building up more nerve (not just killing the guy from work) to do the show would have been interesting.
The big lettering JOKER is a homage to 70’s films ...
Adrian Rangel but pp small
They don’t do any research when they do these things.
This movie was not art or a masterpiece though. 70's films gained nothing to this 'homage'.
@@assordante2205 ...you do realize the referance wasnt so that that itd be considered art, it was made because the setting in the movie is around that time granted about a decade later but still its a neat referance that fits the setting.
Okay. I don’t know how many times people need to say this. CinemaSins is a fucking COMEDY UA-cam channel. They are very open about not being accurate or paying attention to being consistent. It’s supposed to be jokes. You can totally not think it’s funny, I usually don’t, but you cannot hold CinemaSins to the standards of fucking Roger Ebert. Jesus Christ.
The further you go into the movie, the more the significance of the 11 was. You can spot numbers from 11 slowly dropping down to an ace at the crash scene, then leading to a clock at the same time the first one was at
*CinemaSins* : You can't spell words correctly and incorrectly in the same place!
*ALL of the internet* : Hold my beer.
**DING**
No.
equiDreams vfcxd yes
well..there IS a difference in writing and typing. With writing, you have time to take a look at it..also autocorrect sometimes goes back and mispells your intended words, but you just keep on moving.