The Most Toxic Turn 3 Combo Kills in Standard | Against the Odds | Magic: the Gathering (MTG)
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2023
- Phyrexia: All Will Be One Standard is here and we kick off our exploration of the format with the most toxic meme deck of all time: Venerated Rotpriest Combo!
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A lot of people were calling this deck "Poison Ivy" in preview season.
It seems like it's going to be the Standard equivalent of Hammer Time.
Greasefang, Hammer Time, Oops All Spells, Neo-Form Combo. All these started as mem decks and people saw potential. I think this might have a chance.
That would imply the combo is good...
@@McArRuIzO I think the combo is good enough that if you combine it with a very strong shell that it can absolutely be a good deck. I don't think it's the same as Neo-Form because that tries to win on the spot... But it is similar to modern Hammer Time which tries to win over two turns.
@@nickyoung7508 Yep. I remember those decks here like look at the meme!
How naive we were. that enchantment that untapped all lands. Or Tibalt's Trickery
@@nickyoung7508 Kethis also.
Didn't expect one of these on a Sunday... a very toxic way to start my Sunday off. I love it.
It looked a lot better here than it did on stream the other day.
I've been using the green march for a while now, it works especially nice with prototype creatures since it will get the bigger one out on the field AT INSTANT SPEED, but I am glad to see others finally noticing it.
That's sweet.
then why arent you a youtuber with these secrets!!!
I was using it back when Ruin Crab was still legal, just after Topiary Stomper got printed. They weren't turn 3 wins but it sure felt like it sometimes.
Oh that's an awesome combo! I love it
The sacred texts!
Always appreciate decks that take forgotten cards and put them to use.
Deck Intro: We'll mulligan pretty aggressively to find Rotpriest...
Gameplay: [Keeps a bunch of 7s with no Rotpriest.]
Even after he tells himself to mulligan, Seth just hates taking mulligans too much 😆
I think this deck wants to be more all-in if it's a glass cannon. The Tainted Observer is more useful as a blue and green pitch card to both Marches than anything, so Winterhorn Blessing would be better as another targeting spell that gives a little interaction and gets multiple casts off of one card if the deck needs to mulligan. I also get how Stormchaser Drake is an attractive alternate wincon, but I wonder if Colossal Skyturtle is better as an uncounterable modal card that bounces, recurs Rotpriest, and pitches for both colors.
im taking notes of you coment for when phyrexia will be abalable
Does channel count as a spell? Pretty sure it doesn't.
@@christianbarrett3040 they didn't say it did count as a spell, if that's what you're getting at
Winterhorn blessing would be much better nice replacement
There is a regrowth that proliferate to get back Rotty while also furthering the main plan.
That Mindsplice Apparatus deck seemed sweet.
It was also pretty encouraging to see a bunch of non-black decks in Standard... we'll see if that's the case in actual standard, or if it's just Early Access jank.
That was just because everyone with VIP was sick of playing Black. Just wait until they try Black hahaha
Most of it is probably going to be Early Access jank, but it may give people some ideas. At the very least, it should reveal some of the potential standard powerhouses.
I agree about Mindsplice Apparatus. Someone is definitely going to do something degenerate with that card. It's very nearly a Wilderness Reclamation with flash, and we know how busted that turned out to be.
@@KoshoShinogi you know what’s so nuts about that Ravnica Allegiance-Ikoria time period in standard? So many absolutely busted things were only being held back by other busted things lol. Field of the Dead into Oko/Once upon a Time/Veil of Summer into Agent of Treachery/Fires of Invention into Cauldron Familiar/growth Spiral/Teferi/Wilderness Reclamation into Uro into Omnath/Lucky Clover/Escape to the wilds. Somehow Embercleave escaped but we all know it should have been. Freaking wild.
it's not like other early access events were all black decks either. it's not standard, it's just people using the new set
Black is still going to be the rule as long as invoke despair, sheoldred, underdog and trespasser exist. Can't really beat a deck when literally all their cards are 2 for 1s at least.
Last time we had a 3-turn kill in standard, I think it was when minion of the mighty and terror of mount Velus were together. Although that needed basically the literal nuts to pull off.
My most consistent turn 3 kill in Historic runs a unlockable warrior merfolk and resolute strike+hammer. Gotta have the double strike kor that gives my equipped warriors double strike. Turn 1 merfolk, turn 2 hammer+resolute strike to attack for 11 unblocked, turn 3 kor, game
rotpriest is gonna be insane in older formats, any sort of cheap tutor or ritual is gonna be criminal
Feel like it would just be worse infect
@@gamer7916 That's my take too. If you want to play infect you are going to get more poison out of your spells by just pumping your infect creature than awkwardly trying to assemble Rotpriest-tron first.
And since there is no real replacement for Rotpriest the deck would be even more goldfishy than infect already is.
@@baboyaga7711 i think it can be the "infect" for pionner. a simic build more "agro" than voltron, with fynn the fang bearer, ivy and the blue combat trick that gives flying and toxic 1
@@baboyaga7711 the deck doesnt need to be built around rotpriest. Rotpriest in an otherwise normal infect deck will just be nuts
Missing natural hexproof is gonna be important. Winning without that protection is gonna be too hard.
Was hoping to see your side of your game with CGB during the early access event
Guess I won’t be playing standard next season either…oh well
@freezeryder what does your reply have to do with the OP's comment?
That was during the stream! Should be able to find it in the replay video: ua-cam.com/video/Ye_rPdkdo4c/v-deo.html
Around 1,5 year ago there was a turn 2 kill combo in standard involving minion of the mighty, 2 infiuriates and a terror of the peaks
This reminds me of some of those heroic decks when original Theros released. Matches played mostly like these.
This deck is more cancer than og heroic , source I played heroic in standard. We didn’t have access to dumb cards like storm drake and actually had to empty our hand to play spells
electrostatic pummeler from kaladesh. was turn 4 then became a turn 3 with llanowar elves from dominaria. loved that deck
I built this list a month ago when rotpreist was pseudo-spoiled...with season of growth and tamiyos safekeepings instead of the heavy blue shell gives extra scry and extra life its freakin sweet
There was a turn 2 win in standard in Theros-Khans of Tarkir, where you would play turn 1 land, springleaf drum, ornithopter, springleaf drum, then on turn 2 play land, tap both lands and a drum with your thopter to play jeskai ascendancy, cast a briber's purse or astral cornucopia for X=0, untapping your ornithopter and prowessing it, then tap the ornithopter again to the other drum to cast a retraction helix on your ornithopter. Now it can tap to bounce your 0 mana artifact, which untaps your ornithopter and gives it +1/+1 every time it's played. I'm not sure if it ever happened in a real game or not because it does seem staggeringly unlikely to have those 8 cards by turn 2, but it was technically a possibility.
Seth on the intro: we need to mulligan aggressively to get Rot priest
Seth in the video: keep multiple opening hands without rot priest
Actually managed to tilt me slightly, the deck does nothing without it, so go down to 4 or even 3 for it... Maybe he's played too much casual edh recently
The problem is that Rotpriest needs additional cards to win. Various Treasure Hunt style decks can mulligan all the way to one because all they need is the Treasure Hunt and they should win the game, but Rotpriest also needs spells to protect and target it. A hand of Rotpriest, two lands and a spell isn't likely to win the game. I think that mulliganing to six or maybe five if the six is bad is often worth it, but I don't think you can go much further than that.
Nishoba Brawler (or any 2-mana double strike creature) + Twinferno + Gaea's Might is also a turn 3 kill in standard, but you need a lot to go right.
Was gonna post the same thing. I've played a deck using that combo a fair bit and never got a turn 3 kill, but had loads of turn 4 kills with it (usually by turn 3 casting Weatherseed Treaty on its second chapter and then turn 4 Twinferno & Gaea's Might)
AN AGAINST THE ODDS ON SUNDAY? COUNT ME IN!
That game vs GW toxic was awesome!
Yeah, I can't believe we won that one.
I have been utilising march of swirling mist for a long time even after after hinata rotated. My soldiers deck brought me 14/0 score in a meta game challenge last set, mostly because of the march saving the day, just like you see at minute 9:00
There was a turn 3 kill when runaway steamkin was in standard, Turn 1 tin street dodger, opponent at 19. Turn 2 steamkin, 1 more goblin damage, opponent at 18. Turn 3, various combinations of samut's sprint, infuriate, and uncaged fury for the kill. Used to love doing this to threeferi. It was still an awesome deck besides that too. I ran dreadhorde arcanist, and mizzium tank with the usual skewer and light up the stage. Took me to ranked mythic, and never saw a single other person run it. Everyone else was doing the ghitu lavarunner and viashino pyromancer version. This version annihilated the red mirror. Mizzium tank was secretly awesome, and triggered itself. It was my first deck that really got somewhere, so a bit biased; but that standard was awesome.
Seeing a lot of attention paid to this fella. I foresee ban talks in the works
There was the t2 combo with the kobold that you could pump and smash the double striking dragon into play like, under 2 years ago
In my old LGS we would call this deck "a brick", coz like a brick, if it hits, it kills, if it miss, your opponent will just laugh and hit you
croaking counterpart works on opponent's creatures too, might have been good on Amazonian's annex sentry.
Last turn 3 kill I remember in standard was when minds desire was in standard. Well combo kill that is
Now everytime take a shot when Seth says Rotpriest
I wanna see an against the odds with Monument to Perfection. I feel like it's a sweet card to win with.
This is the deck right here.
I do the same with black green and it seems to be a little more stable.I have back up if rot priest is some how removed and necrogen communion is always nice if you can pop on turn two with no blockers. If some how rot priest is removed it just comes back. Fill the deck with removal proliferate or any cheap buff.
Last time we had a turn 3 kill in standard was minion of the mighty and terror of mt velus
more recently, Ox + Plow deck was 18 damage turn 3, but you still needed a 4th turn to secure the kill
Before terror mono red aggro also had a very unlikely turn 3 kill in standard before that with 4 fervent champions and embercleave if they all connected and survived.
I was planning to build this deck. I already have a U/G Ivy shell. I run lots of Ledger Shredder personally
This deck can have a legitimate flier beatdown win condition if you add 4x rancor and 4x ledger shredder instead of going all in on Rotpriest
There’s a more optimized version with curiosity and tamiyo’s safekeeping, bring the ending, etc… cutting useless cards like bloated contaminated and that other 3 drop. The deck is more streamlined and approaches tier 1 in standard having basically no bad matches
I think we will see this deck in modern. Maybe when more combo parts come, but even right now, it has chances.
Oh fuck. I knew bringing back poison was a terrible idea.
When against the odds accidentally shows the top tier deck in standard
Honestly for BO3 it feels like its best place is an updated version of Mono U Tempo where you make it simic and you run this as a finisher since youre already running a lot of protection and counters
So i blew all my gold cards on making this deck and its straight murder in ranked explorer. The nut draw happens OFTEN. You a real one saf.
"Look at me! I'm Toxic Rick!"
"zaff, better known as zaahfriiin ahhhhleeeev"
Also I used to run turn 2 delver infect in standard.
T1: delver
T2: flip delver, tainted strike, mutagenic growth, and assault strobe, attack gg
I played the deck, its fall back plan was skitherix, and a flurry of counterspells to buy time. It was a deck where if a creature stuck around to attack your opponent lost but was very tough to pilot.
Won a couple fnm's with it.
This might be my new favorite thing!😈
It's a super fun deck for sure!
This morning I literally said to myself “i need to build a crazy rotpriest deck” .. this is better than what I had in mind
My prerelease was abzan toxic. Pulled a venerated rot priest. And 3 elish norn. Unfortunately lost my last match due to bad draws. Almost went undefeated
@@johnnoreau3570 wait… THREE?! That’s insane
@@reefalefunk1244 yes. Three. My store couldn’t believe it. My promo was elesh. Last card first pack was compleated. Last card last pack was regular elesh norn. Traded my friend the promo elesh for his beat up ancient tomb. Kept the compleated for my Roon edh deck and the other one is chilling in my binder for now 😅
i love croaking counterpart in this deck
Me seeing this deck after first playing standard with mono green infect. Turn 1 rotpriest felt like turn 1 glistener elf to me.
This is a very cool deck
“Okay maybe rotpriest is just busted”! Damn I wish we were young and neighbors and could play magic all day together. Thanks for sharing
I feel like this deck will be that much more dangerous in Modern, with Summoner's Pact replacing Green March, and having access to the absurdity that is Ground Rift when it target Rotpriest
There was a turn 2 win in scars of mirrodin that did 21 damage turn 2, it was like 7 cards long but you could do it, I saw it once
I'm legitimately shocked to see march of burgeoning life in a deck. Never thought it would see play
same
I feel like some commune effects would be beneficial, especially when you don't find the rotpriest in your first 7 cards or mulligan
Wow! Your last video I had posted a comment predicting Rot Priest would eventually get banned!
I didn't think we'd be seeing a video like this pop up so fast 😂
not that it mattered, but during game 2 could you have won faster by casting march x=2 twice, holding priority before the first resolved?
If you mean game 3 he didn’t have the mana to do it.
Hilarious that venerated r.p. tripled in price after you posted this LOL
Minion of the Mighty Phyrexian.
O look it is a turn 3 kill.... in standard. Awesome
i have a deck in pioneer with venerated rotpriest, zada/mirrorwing dragon, and awaken the woods and then like expedite
If it was like 3 mana i don’t think it would be oppressive but right now it just seems mean, interested to see what sort of combos appear to counter it
Opponent when they see the Venerated Frogpriest -->
This is literally the list mtgmalone played yesterday
Glad i got my physical copies ahead of time. This card is gonna be nuts until it either gets banned or hated out of the format lol
Problem is the easy answer is cheap removal, but the counter to that is targeted protection which just helps their game plan.
@@ctomsky and it gets them another counter if they target, which means its an even bigger blowout if you have the protection, itll make a deck fun!
I think they aren’t gonna ban it but they will print a lot of hate in the next set
Ehhhh the problem in standard is exactly what seth talked about in the wrap up. This deck just doesn’t have the redundancy/resilience to make it a serious contender in top tiers of real magic, ie bo3, for the same reasons most single-card named decks struggle in standard.
If I was gonna try to make this card work in bo3 I think I would shy away from traditional sideboard into a transformational SB. Get your g1 win (hopefully) then transform into a slightly more “traditional” aggro/midrange poison build in g2. Hell maybe throw in the 7 drop.
That all said this deck is going to struggle against a real tier format. Preview day is NOT a good example of what a deck can do against established archetypes especially in a black dominated format and double especially with a deck that relies on a single 4-of G 1/2.
@@virtueofabsolution7641 definitely needs to be a part of a more dedicated poison build with tamiyos safekeeping and things like that bite spell that also gives a poison counter. This iteration is absolutely not going to be the most competitive option for a competitive format, but rotpriest itself is going to be a major player in the coming weeks of standard, i can feel it.
So many people are playing this in standard and it's kicking my butt 🤣
can see this splashing a little black for diabolic intent
A very similar turn 3 win was possible using this same strategy.
T1 Delver, T2 Flip + Ivy hit down to 17, Turn 3 Double giant growth hit for 9 and 8 and win.
Love ur content Seth.
This deck seems fun in pioneer. Coco to dig for ropriest and ivy then next turn just poison them out
I honestly would to tye gaea pump protection spell from brother's war it gives so much
Also the fastest win is the turn 2 or 3 minion of the mighty combo
Oooppouunent!
Dude, legacy and moderns infect is gonna crack open with rotpriest
I expect priest sees play in modern infect because of adding extra poison to every buff, but I could see it becoming that your opponent controls in alchemy
I don't see Rotpriest in modern infect honestly.
The deck is too narrow and linear. Hard to make room for something that doesn't immediately benefits the infect plan.
Might be bonkers in historic with the good white tutors for 1 drops
I have to say this Deck also works in Pioneer but I have some Changes in that list. Besides rotpriests that Deck also plays benthic biomancers on 1 and to better use his loot ability I opted for snakeskin vails.
If you want i can give you the full list
Standard seems like its going to be great fun /s
Pulled one of these at pre release, sadly only got 3-4 pump/target spells in the right colors.
I pulled a borderless venerated rotpriest yesterday, didn’t realize it’s so good and 11$ rn!! Lol!!
Reminds me of Fynn, the fangbearer
I edited the deck and added ornithopter since it's a free spell, just to add to my storm count. Been working well imo
We had a turn 2 combo from forgotten realms standard.
"One of the meme-iest decks we've ever played." Are you sure about that Seth?
Starting to think that leeches is going to be the counter meme in the future.
Any deck that can make Burgeoning work MUST be a good deck.
wow what a deck. even Cut Down is awkward as a solution here, since just targeting the Rotpriest with the spot removal triggers it. I think the actual best answer in the format against this kind of deck is one of the little creature sweepers like Brotherhood's End, Path of Peril, or Temporary Lockdown.
Yeah, cheap sweepers to get around protection is a good way to answer the deck.
Kinda surprised you’re not running a vesuvian duplimancy for insane snowballing
Minion of the meme was even more meme and won t2, but i think only in historic
Use Aspirant's Ascent to give Rotpriest flying and Ivy Toxic
Someone sent me a list with Ascent, I try it a bit and didn't like it. I think all the spells in the deck need to be protection/finding Rotpriest or drawing cards.
Hey Zef, it’s Ib, um, Devilish Valet was fast too!
I kind of want to try Rotpriest with a Spellskite
The turn 1 infect deck was standard in mirrodin
Timely interference could be real solid in this
This might be the quickest ban ever!
Technically runes could kill on turn 3 but it was super inconsistent. You would need to go something like T1 Generous visitor T2 jukai naturalist T3 Runeforge champion, play 12 runes and win
Hmm, yeah, would take a lot of luck to keep drawing into more Runes, but I think you're right.
@@MTGGoldfish Yeah definitly. I loved runes and while it could win on turn 3(Though way less consistently than this deck) It could consistently win on turn 4/5 once you get naturalist + champion.
What if you play black instead of blue for diabolic intent so you can tutor rotpriest even when you don't have one? And you can replace te blue protection with ashnods intervention and tamitos safekeeping and add 8 1 or 2 drops. It does loose the turn three kill but it's probably more consistent
I think blue march is too important to cut blue, it's the best non-creature card in the deck. And Ivy is pretty good. Diabolic intent requires a sac which can be awkward.
Also landfall from zendikar a few years ago was turn 3 possible :)
I think Midnight Guard+Retraction Helix+Altar of the Brood was the last time you could combo on turn 3, so Tarkir Standard.
technically +Ornithopter...
There was minion of the mighty + 2 1 mana pump spells and terror of mount velus for a turn 2 kill a little while ago.
@@seandun7083terror is from theros
@@SoggyWaffles. Theros beyond death, which was still in standard when AFR released.
@@seandun7083 Oooh, nice one!
We have Fauna Shaman in Standard, we could use it to tutor Rotpriest
Rotpriest is the most exciting card that I’ve seen from this set. I am really enjoying what they’ve done mechanically with poison counters.
It will be banned.
I will make this work on explorer
Does rotpriest trigger twice on March of swirling mist because it’s targeted, then phases out then phases back in? Just confused how 2 Rot priest trigger 4 counters?
Well Green and Simic have made a massive comeback in this upcoming set. Turn 3 kill though, probably a bit excessive. This is gonna be nerfed where it says, once per turn surely?
Could Black be worth trying in the deck for Whisper of the Dross? Kills 1/1s, proliferates, and since Rotpriest is a 1/2 It could do double duty in the poison plan.
Ok poison broke again. GJ WotC