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Sending Arena Zoomers though the DOOR TO NOTHINGNESS | Historic Magic: the Gathering (MTG)
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- What are the odds of winning the game (by making the opponent lose the game) with Door to Nothingness in Historic? Let's find out!
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0:00 Start
4:23 Match 1
10:02 Match 2
22:12 Match 3
29:12 Match 4
40:38 Match 5
59:50 Wrap Up
According to Maro, the original rule text on Door was going to be "Destroy target player", but he couldn't get that wording past the rules manager 😂
Well it would imply that players are permanents in a round about way which yeah is not good.
The only way we managed to get that on an official magic card was Baron Von Count lol
Player removal is the best removal
@@shivandragon1651my personal dream is leaving the mana to cast door open in a commander game and taking the game hostage because I can remove a player from the game at instant speed in response to anything I don't like😂
Shoulda just been "Remove target player from the game"
Exiling doesn't assume a target is a Permanent, and its textually accurate to its behavior
I really think that all alternative win cons on Arena really need animations to set them out from regular old wins.
Agreed!
Yeah, Maze's End is so boring. Just looks like they concede.
Master duel does that and its beautiful
I really wanna see their avatar fly through a door to nothingness
Oh man, that's such a good idea. Just imagine a giant black hole door sucking in all their cards and pet and avatar... WotC please!
I remember when I first started playing MTG in elementary school, there was one boy who had a Door to Nothingness and a deck built around it, and we all thought it was the coolest and most powerful card in the entire game. There's something about the words "target player loses the game" that just excites the imagination- especially that of a little kid- in ways better and more efficient cards just never could.
not to mention that "target player loses the game" feels so much better than "You win the game" alternate wincons
"Sometimes it's better to be a little lucky than a little good."
~ Seth, probably better known as SaffronOlive
SAFFfffronnnAwwlive
51:59
I pulled both Ramos and Door in my prerelease and actually got it off on my stunned opponent. It was crazy!
That sound awesome!
someone at my prerelease was gonna try to win with aetherflux, lol
@@MTGGoldfishwhy isn't the Deck running Chalice of the Void?
@@zirilan3398 why would it be running chalice?
@@tofu585 Chalice is usually too slow for historic.
Since this card was printed (when I was 14) I have tried and tried and tried to make a deck around it. Today, 18 years later. My dream comes true
Jeeze has it been that long? Now I feel old.
It's been kinda easy in modern as long as it doesn't get countered. I can play it and activate on turn 4 with Tron IF I get a decent hand.
I use it in Commander 😂 Ramos Dragon Engine remove counters = win
"Well, let's see if we can keep the good times-"
[opponent windmill-slams turn-1 Swiftspear]
Every time I hear Seth mention about going through the door, I think of the game Munchkin.
"Would you like to knock down the door?"
"Yes"
"You encounter a Door to Nothingness. You lost the game."
Munchkin is such a fun game! I could see them adding something like the Door to the game for the lolz. Always remember: NEVER pick up a duck in a dungeon!
@@shizzletts nty
Munchkin is the best!
Qwazar crashed the servers today
Oh yes boys and 3.5%
Arena doesn't have problems with amount of cards in hand, the lag is somehow tied to World Trees. Somehow World Trees are fighting how Arena is calculating what you can do with mana and lag the game. The more World Trees you have the worse the game gets.
I built my own jank version of a door deck with chromatic orrery and trash for treasure, it's pretty fun when you get the turn 5 win with it. Fun to see another way to build the deck
Seth holds the door open at the Hotel d'Nothing. Best Maitre D ever! 🤣
Seth, you punted (sort of) at 38:24, while the creature land can be turned on, if it’s already targeted then then ward will not trigger.
Ohh, duh. Good call.
Timeless Lotus and Teferi were surprisingly good at supporting the Door wins.
In regards to Freyalise, I don't think it really fits what Legacy elves wants to do since that deck is really focused on Natural Order and wants to play a ton of 1-mana elves for Glimpse of Nature. Modern Elves I could see using Freyalise, though.
So is Amulet of Vigor not int he format Saffron plays? I feel like that would be great with the Lotus & Door although you can't double-tap Lotus like you could with Teferi but fast lands and artifacts sounds fantastic.
@@DoABarrelRol1l Amulet is not in Historic
This takes me back. I used to play a door to nothingness deck with gates and mazes end with a bunch of fogs. It was something.
THE FUGS?!?!? I always love your taste in music. First Ween and Modest Mouse, then Captain Beefheart, and now The Fugs?!? Good job, man!
I'm only a little upset you didn't make the "show them the door" joke
6:30 "Farewell the c*** out of our opponent" That's the strongest language I've ever heard Seth use and I've been watching since Tarkir block
snowflake alert! ⚠️⚠️ ⚠️⚠️
....and keep da change, ya filthy animal!
>a stranger on the internet self-censors as a joke
>DENYING MUH FREEDOMS!
>I MUST DESTROY HIS OR HER SOUL WITH THE CRUELEST INSULT
"snowflake + emojis"
>ha! gottem
It would be a cool effect if MTG Arena uninstalled itself from your computer when your opponent activates door to nothingness.
Your face was priceless when u hit that door to nothingness..... mine was the same 😯
As for the lag, from what I have heard, having more than 2 World Tree lands in play can cause a lot of lag. I think because each one is giving all your lands the "tap for any color" ability.
"Less go through this funny looking door"
In the first game you can see that Seth wanted to draw an untapped white source off the rev x6 and was concerned about losing to a muxus for lethal without having access to fateful absence, so he played a tapped land, forgetting that it was his 6th land, enabling world tree's mana fixing.
Whoever edits these videos get HUGE props for including The Fugs in the intro XD
8:27 Seth just casually paraphrases Machiavelli
I got excited seeing this thumbnail, I've been playing a goofy door deck for a while now with replicating rings and a couple proliferate spells.
22:58 Seth: "Wow, opponent's deck looks insane!"
Have you not been playing much historic? Prior to Brother's war, this deck was almost half my matches in Bo1 on the ladder. Yeah, it's insane. The numbers have come down just a little due to all the new belcher decks in the last couple weeks, but yeah, Izzet aggro is the dominant deck in the format.
I'm already sick of Belcher decks.
@@Cincinnatijames They're annoying, but I think they're taking the place of some of the Mizzex Mastery-Dragonstorm combo decks, which I find so much worse. If my opponent wants to count to seven instead of counting to four, that just gives fair decks a better chance.
This deck is really neat, and I was really surprised how often you got to activate the door. I'm wondering if that means that there is a controlling bant deck that ramps into Koma and Dreamtralwer in historic. Would be a cool throw back to pre-planeswalker control decks.
Another awesome deck brother. It was fun to see a door literally kill opponents. I had a blast brother.
I’d kill for an ensnaring bridge in historic
Would be the perfect answer to goblins that they could also answer with red spells.
I'd kill for it to never be in historic >_>
While we're there, might as well throw in some more classics: Trinisphere, Thorn of Amethyst, Mishra's Workshop... they have the Power 9 coded already, so might as well make it Vintage but with Alchemy cards at this point.
This is why I watch your videos. Pure gold.
Would them animating the Hall actually "counter" Boseiju? I don't think it would, because Ward is a triggered ability *when* it becomes the target of something, and since the Boseiju is already targeting Hall, I don't think Ward would trigger if they animated it afterward.
True, Ward is a triggered ability thus wouldn't trigger since it's already been targeted.
Per the Gatherer rulings: "If an opponent casts a spell or ability that targets Hall of Storm Giants, and you activate the last ability in response, the ward ability Hall of Storm Giants gains won't trigger. (However, if it already had ward at the moment it became the target of the spell or ability, that instance of ward would trigger.)"
Funnily enough I ended up replicating your 5 colour colourless strat with Chromatic Orrery for Door in Historic, works super well!
Please teach Crim how to introduce a deck.
One of the darkest flavor texts on any card. Love it
Ah I remember being a very young magic player and seeing this in the M13 list and thinking it would be the most broken card ever. Come to find out it was originally printed in 5th dawn and did nothing LOL
This was a super fun episode! That poor elf player, so many wraths!
Man, the amount of salt id be if I was the elves opponent watching this vid and your top decks.
Your list supports Supreme verdict.
Also, alt win con cards should have special animations.
Try this deck on for size:
Drannith Magistrate X2
Greater Auramancy X2
Ossification X2
Strict Proctor X2
Destiny Spinner X2
Damping Sphere X4 (can be replaced with anything else, it's just nice to have on opening draw if you don't have rule of law)
Minimus Containment X2
Phyrexian Unlife X2
Solemnity X2
Rule of Law X2
Ground Seal X2
Linvala, Keeper of Silence X1
Shalai, Voice of Plenty X2
Defense of the Heart X2 (or without damping sphere X3 or 4 as it is an important card)
Cosmos Elixir X2
The Immortal Sun X1
Approach of the Second Sun X2 (if all else fails, it's a back up plan)
Avacyn, Angel of Hope X1
Mana base can be anything, but you can use 4 Lotus field thanks to strict proctor.
Main idea of this deck is to prevent your opponent from being able to do literally anything. Main weaknesses of the deck are sacrifice and exile cards. You can add something to give Shalai hexproof so she can't be targeted by any removal as well, but I like to have her exposed to at least give my opponent a chance. The deck is kind of slow as well, but all around when you start putting cards down, especially when you get Avacyn, Shalai, and Greater Auramancy onto the field, your opponent is going to scopp 9/10. This deck is especially effective against tribal/aggresive decks/removal heavy decks. Approach of the second sun is a nice alternative win condition if all else fails.
They could do Perpetually with stickers. Since those are now mechanics I think this is the best way that the Perpetually mechanic could work in paper based on what they have already introduced.
Stickers are lost in the hand and library though
Loved your historic prison deck from awhile back would love to see a more traditional stax or taxes list for historic or just any historic content personally think format has a lot of brewing potential
Alternate wins like that should have a unique animation.
I wish you would do more Historic content.
I think I might, I had fun playing this deck.
I made a Triumphant Reckoning/Mizzix's Mastery reanimator deck using Ramos Dragon Engine, Door to Nothingness as the wincon, Sphinx of the Guildpact, and Release to the Wind. Play all of the jeskai loot spells, get everything into the graveyard, play Mizzix's targeting Triumphant Reckoning, then untap and bounce the Sphinx with Release to the Wind. You get 5 counters on the Ramos Dragon Engine, then immediately use the double WUBRG mana on Door. Turn 5 ultimate jank win 😎😎😎😎😎
I need that decklist...asking for a friend xD
Ramos + Sphinx is my way to open the Door too... i just use cost reduce artifacts
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4 Faithless Looting
3 Manifold Key
4 Faithful Mending
2 Thrilling Discovery
4 Release to the Wind
1 Chromatic Lantern
4 Mizzix's Mastery
4 Door to Nothingness
4 Ramos, Dragon Engine
4 Sphinx of the Guildpact
4 triumphant Reckoning
Lands are just all the red/blue - white/blue- red/white duals I have, and 3 World Tree's
@@jargon9173 Thank you very much! I'll have some fun with it
I think Freyalise could probably be handled on a less uhh
absurd levels of pump way with like
+1: Place a +1/1 Counter on an Elf, if a Freyalise's Emblem is not in play, create one that reads "When an Elf enters the battlefield, remove one counter, if you do, give the Elf a +1/1 Counter", and then place one counter on a Freyalise's Emblem you control
-1: Reveal Cards from the top till you reveal an Elf, add it to the hand and put the other reveal cards on the bottom in a random order
-6: Create a Token named "Regal Force" with types stats abilities etc etc
I don't know the exact syntax that'd be used, and Emblems always get wordy, but I feel like, while it doesn't give you the absurd "I play a 4/4 Elf" pump that buffing cards perpetually does, it does recreate the "buff Elves that have not yet arrived" energy
Aside from that, Reveal dig obviously provides info Seek doesn't, and a Regal Force Token just vanishs rather than hitting GY/Exile
I figure using an Emblem would make more sense than putting counters on Freyalise because A: As a Planeswalker she already hosts Loyalty Counters, and B: It means the buffs will still be in play even if she gets removed, which fits the spirit
C: Just cause its funny it makes it a proliferate target I'm pretty sure
Oh and D: Making it a single Emblem that uses counters, rather than multiple emblems that self-sac as part of the trigger, means it buffs many elves instead of mega-roiding a single elf
I have a Atotog Commander Deck, I call it WinCon Smorgasbord, It has every Gate and Mazes End for Mana with Land Tudors, Atogs and Commander protective Artifacts, Door to Nothingness, Barren Glory, Revel in Riches,. Basically as Win Conditions arise you go for them. Mazes End is the primary, but lets same your Barren Glory sticks, well you then you use Psychatog, Thaumatog and Atogatog to sac your hand, lands, and the other Atog including your commander on the End Step before your turn. All of the Win Cons are feasible, I thought the Deck would suck and be a Meme but thus far its winning games
For the +1 on the alchemy planeswalker, instead of the creature in your hand perpetually getting +1/+1,you: choose one either: exile an elf card face down from your hand and put a growth counter on it, or put a growth counter on a card exiled face down with it. Elves you control have +1/+1 for each growth counter on them, and your maximum hand size is reduced by 1 for each card exiled with it.
HOLD DOOR HOLD DOOR HOLDDOOR!
This was surprisingly much better than expected. I'm astonished 🤟
That card is My Panharmonicon 😉 But it really likes the Ensnaring
bridge
In match 4, you don't need to worry about them turning on Hall of the Storm Giants. If you've already targeted it, making it a creature won't suddenly trigger ward. By that point it's too late.
So, to explain, cards that were NERFED for ALCHEMY revert back to normal after rotation. Any BUFFS, no matter what, stay.
This card is what got me into magic the gathering. Built my very first commander deck just so I could play it. The commander was Cromat.
My favorite Door deck is the deck that gives the opponent the door, and then forces them to willingly use the door on themselves, resetting the boardstate if they don't choose right.
It's so evil.
I know it probably wouldn't happen but I'd love to see Saf in a PPR at LRR
that would be sweet!
Didn't they have crim once? Why not seth?
Second this notion
@@DimT670 LRR tends to highlight mid-smaller creators at the PPR; Seth is one of the biggest influencers in magic today
@@ImJustHereToWatch14 They've also had the indie creator Mark Rosewater on there.
(Yes, it's a joke, but I'm just saying)
There's also the awesome series called "Shuffle Up & Play" that the Professor at TCC puts on, which would also be amazing.
Seth turned into Hodor against Phoenix in match 4 "hold the door"
I've been playing around with Door to Nothingness. Currently, I'm trying to work out using Jegantha (Along with Karn, Chromatic Orrery and Paradox Engine).
Do u have a list?
@@BaygelTheDog It's currently a pile, but this is what I'm currently working with:
4 Llanowar Elf
4 Elvish Mystic
4 Chromatic Star
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Meria, Scholar of Antiquity
2 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
4 Karn, the Great Creator
2 Door to Nothingness
2 Golos
2 Jegantha
2 Paradox Engine
2 Timeless Lotus
1 Chromatic Orrery
1 Cascading Cataracts
1 Jegantha
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Liquimetal Coating
1 Skysovereign, Consul Flagship
1 Paradox Engine
1 Door to Nothingness
1 God-Pharaoh's Statue
1 Chromatic Orrery
1 Cityscape Leveler
1 Sundering Titan
@@jaggededge11 that looks sick tysm
That was so fun to watch. Loved every minute
always fun to see door, even if its not in the most jankiest deck possible, still fun to see you playing the door
My grandpa's deck has no pathetic cards, but it does have door to nothingness
About Freyalise and historic cards : I would really like to see some tournaments/matches with paper cards and proxys historic cards to see how all this digital only mechanics could work in paper
seth, game 2 against Phoenix you said "we cant boseiju hall bc of ward" but you can. you boseiju target the hall, then they activate in response but it doesnt matter because ward says "becomes the target" but boseiju already declared it a legal target, ward wouldn't trigger.
Seth I love the final match and the way you played it lol
Show arena players what happens when you ruin the jank players fun!
Unfinity stickers make perpetual +1+1 abilities plausible
I'd say instead of the in hand, if you wanted to make that an actual card, you could have it exiled and gains "This creature can be played from exile with a +1/+1 counter."
I use Myr's with Door to Nothingness. I call it 'Myr to Nothingness'. I love my artifact deck.
Wish I could play arena
What happened to it? I tried to play earlier but it didn’t let me enter matchmaking.
I got a game in, just now.
It was a little laggy, though.
Also, does anyone know if MMR carries into mythic?
I hit a lucky streak and got to top 100, but keep getting paired with plat/diamond players.
@@brushwagg7735 mmr is always there
@@dylanchannell2531 if I run as administrator it works, if I run it normally it just gets stuck on the loading screen
I need to see you tackle Arcane Bombardment SaffronOlive I love that enchantment and I got UR deck built around it and effects like it, but I would love to see a more pro player tackle it.
38:19 incorrect
Very fun deck and video though :)
I know I'm late to this video but I'm always shocked that Seth doesn't have the Yargle Explore variant lol
"To support the Belcher plan, you do need to have all MDFCs"...
This isn't technically true, but the Mana Severance → Belcher line doesn't work nearly as well. :p
(I would actually love to see a Boros Belcher deck for Against the Odds at some point, using Endless Horizons to exile all of the Plains in your library before the kill.)
If you think about it, Door to Nothingness is really just a Belcher that asks for a little more mana (just a smidge) in exchange for letting you run real lands and normal ramp.
wow I wasn't ready for The Fugs in a Magic video
38:19 Ward triggers when a permanent becomes targeted, so if a permanent gains ward after it's been targeted, ward won't trigger.
Seth out here literally sending fools to the shadow realm
Fugs FTW! The Hodor gag was sweet too :D
Maybe as a fun one of you can run the card like crackle with power? Because since you're running world tree you're going to have the red Mana
How quickly we all forgot Hodor
Should name this deck "Don't let the door hit you on the way out."
Travis Woo had a really awesome deck that played this card back in the day.
I like the fifth dawn door to nothingness best, i had a door to nothingness deck back in the day but i was a poor teenager and only had two of them, but it was still a fun deck, i pretty much only played it in group games.
I really hope we see a return to the Sunburst mechanic at one point and a pioneer-reprint of Etched Oracle.
Seth during spoiler season : "I feel like this card requires too much setup to ever be really good"
Seth during against the odds: "we only need to set up these 4 cards that each cost 5+ mana and for our opponent to not have any interactions across these 3 different card types and it's an easy win."
This would be a fun historic match vs Maze’s end. Both ramp and want to rush to 10 lands and then just win.
This was the first single I ever bought. I thought it was the most OP card ever. Turns out I was right
After all these years those couriers are still bonded lol.
This was a fun deck!
This is the sort of Magic I want to watch
Idk if you know Seth, but Supreme Verdict is in the format. Zero reason not but be playing that over other wraths
I build a Door deck around defenders using Axebane Guardians. Cheap walls(Fog bank is surprisingly OP) then clone Axebane a few times. Soo much mana.
Awesome man. This is pretty close to how I was going to build this. What does this deck struggle against?
the song in the opening is Nothing by the Fugs
through *
why not use archelos, lagoon mystic so lotus and door come into play untapped? This would also better help your mana base too
edit: realized this is in arena, my bad
Re: paper Freyalise: Garth one-eye creates copies of cards like Shivan Dragon, so I don't know why you couldn't have a paper planeswalker that makes a copy of a creature card that becomes a token.
Its criminal that Hodor wasnt the thumbnail
I've been playing this with Ramos in brawl. Been so much fun
Can't you do mono green Door deck? Kiora can untap timeless lotus and Karn the Great Creator can fetch whatever artifact you're missing
38:19 That's not correct. Ward works differently than hexproof because it's a trigger on target rather than making target invalid. So turning on the Hall after it gets targeted by Boseiju wouldn't create a counter-unless-you-pay trigger.
38:20 If a permanent gains ward after its already been targeted, nothing happens. Ward is a triggered ability so if it gains ward after the event that would trigger ward, it does not protect the permanent.
38:30 ward only matters on cast. If they turn it into a creature after you've targeted it, ward won't trigger.