Tim!! You crushed this! I am so totally blown away by what you were able to achieve with this cymbal. It will certainly be a treasure for me for many many years. Thank you!
One thing about those XS20 rides: they were remarkably consistent. You can pretty much count on them sounding exactly like this. What a cool idea this video was!
@@NeCtRiCkS Someone else will have to chime in here. I can comment from my experience working the floor of the Drum Shop in Portland ME for a few years; during that time I never saw cracked XS20's, and while once in a while (because I still teach there) I see one on the used rack. I don't ever see cracked ones.
@@ridenm7748 Kind of, in that the XS20 was a line that made North-American-made B20 bronze cymbals affordable. (Until then if you wanted affordable B20 cymbals you had to go with Chinese-made.) XS20 used B20 to start with, then used manufacturing methods typically used on budget cymbals. With XSR20, they took processes used in making Xplosion and Evolution cymbals and dumbed them down a bit. So goes the story.
The cymbal in its original form was surprisingly decent, even for some jazz. I've heard a lot worse at higher price points. Of course you made it a lot better. Great job and interesting video!
Exactly. Reminded me of some cymbals Buddy Rich played when he was older, with big bands. He often had really pingy ride with lot of definition and volume, not something washy.
I have that same cymbal. It has too much ring. I put a dampener on it to stop some of the ring. That cymbal went for over $200 when it first came out. Sabian replaced the Xs 20 line with the XSR line. I have a Xs20 med ride, Xs20 14” thin crash, Xs20 16” thin crash and Xs20 med hi-hats. They are decent sounding. The hi-hats sound really good.
It was already much better after round 1! The fact that you knew exactly what to do to take it to another level after round 2 just shows your level of mastery. Amazing work! 👏👏👏
Man finally somebody with good ideas...cymbals are so disgustingly expensive...like you have a feeling that someone has a monopoly and can ask any price ...thats why this is double good
Great result with the modification, both with or without the rivets. I find the whole subject fascinating, forming a hook to control the sound, shapes, weights, bells, etc... it really makes me look at my cymbals in a different light. Thank you for sharing some of your expertise, Timothy... I look forward to your next post.
6-7 years ago I got a xs20 20” in a handful pies I got off of eBay. I Was STRUGK by the Low&Small dia Bell and very Flat profile. And mine was on the light end for these at only 2270 grams. Was floored by what a pleasant sounding cymbal it was. Much more ‘Tick than ‘Ping, but it was stiff feeling & gongy when crashed. Gave it 3 or 4 hammering sessions on the train tracks behind my house. Using mostly underside hammering w/ a final Re-tensioning at the end, I was able to get it to loosen up and crash AWESomely While keeping stock weight. These should be grabbed up by any hobbies or aspiring cymbalsmith, anytime they are seen!! …and yes as always, GREAT WORK BROTHER!!👏👏
I was sceptical when I first read the video title, but now after watching it I'm totally convinced. Not only the cymbal sounds great as I've also learned some useful things about cymbals. I really liked the sound right after the lathing. One of my favourite cymbals are Istanbul's Traditional Series. The drums sounded well too.
This is fascinating I need some time stamps for this: Original 2:25 After first lathe 4:59 Finished - without rivets 10:38 What an amazing job you did! It’s like a more open version of a K light ride, and moves similarly.
This was fascinating! Having modded amps, guitars, and basses, I never imagined the idea of having a cymbal modded! I'm truly amazed! Thank for sharing.
Sounded and looked really good at 5:11 I'm more into my rock tones though and retro looks. Sounded kind of washy at the end but I guess that's jazz? Certainly drastically transformed! Those Sabian XS cymbals are a secret budget gem. I've got a set. I got 20"R 16"C 14"C 10"S and 14"Hats all for £70 on the FaceSpace MarketPlace couldn't say no!
Tim does a beautiful job as you can hear in this mod. He made me a 22" that I use all the time and nailed the sound I wanted. He is a great guy too. Very easy to work with. This guy knows his stuff and I highly recommend him.
WOW! What a transformation this is! The final product sounds like an old K from the 50's or 60's, not all K's were good but this cymbal here is awesome.
Wow you really did a great job with that cymbal. You took the nasty ovtertones out. Love the crash, attack with quick fade, and the ride, low wash with great stick definition even right after the crash. Great job.
I’m new to drumming at an older age (almost 55). I got my 7pc Tama SS classic and Paiste 900 pack all about 2 months ago. Your video is EXCELLENT and very informative and eye opening. Right on man!
Great work! As a woodturner, I’ve spent sixteen years facing the headstock of a lathe. Yr technique at the lathe is absolutely text-book-quality. Great fluidity and control to yr movements.
@@ReverieDrumCo Yr definitely doing something right! Beautiful final result, by the way-sounds and looks great. (I love that you removed so much weight evenly to make the cymbal look liquid when struck with any force.)
Hey! I have that exact cymbal! I got it back in high school as my first ride as a gift from my pops. I have gigged it for close to 15 years and I’ll echo what everyone else is saying - the XS20s were fantastic entry level cymbals and all-around greats. Can’t wait to see what you do with it! 😎
When you first showed the "after" I thought you were kidding!! Wow, what an incredible transformation. Excellent craftsmanship! I bought that XS20 ride when they first came out, and what a gong it was!! The XS20 hi hats were also super heavy but sounded surprisingly great.
Timothy idk if you remember me but I had you do a similar thing with 2 stagg b20 rides. Still have them and they are getting even better with time. Super buttery cymbals that turn heads when people see and hear them
It depends too you guys, the XS20 basically got shaped with a hundred ton hydraulic press then lathed. Hammering takes a lot of man hours hand hammering and the cost of running the additional hammering machines in the process beating up their equipment too.. Tim basically adds complexity and what Jazz players need the sound and feel of the cymbal in order for it to work. Furthermore as like what Tim said, it's easier to work with a smaller bell harder to do with an A heavy ride etc.
Not completely, as Sabian def take the extra steps when the cymbals gunna be expensive..this is more about time..if this dude was trying to introduce a cheaper version of his brand, in hopes to get ppl to buy the more expensive stuff, he'd likely end up with the same cymbal. Cutting corners cut cost. The "materials" in this situation of a cheap ass cymbal were far beyond adequate, it's just the time spent was more. It's more like taking more time to stir a soup while adding a few more dashes of stuff to top it off instead of just sending it out the door with salt and pepper only
@@NintenDub agree with ‘time’. The process to make great cymbal would take long time , energy, knowledge, and passion only by master Craftsmen that machine never can.
Great work Tim!!! I really like the sound and play-ability of the ride with the clarity and homogenous sound of the bell! Not sure if this was mentioned, I am interested as to why the placement of the 10 rivets midway between the bell and edge?
After drumming on an old kitchen seat, I got my first blue sparkle drum kit in Dec. '73...perhaps within a few years of that, I bought an 18" ride for maybe a whopping $12...well, as the saying goes, "You get what you pay for."...I did drill it to place homemade rivets for a sizzle ride...the ride eventually cracked and dented...but, master-of-makeshift that I am, I ended up inverting the ride (without any rivets) and positioned it so that I would strike it in the divet of the dent, and voila, I had a makeshift china...in addition, the top hi-hat that came with the kit would at times buckle/dent upon striking it... nevertheless, I still learned that, when it comes to cymbals, quality may count...
Are you kidding me? This sounds SO good dude! This is actually inspiring because now I’ll go find a junk 24” for next to nothing and you can turn it into THIS! Crazy. I actually have a Sabian Big Ugly Apollo 22” that has a weird overtone I don’t like. I bet it would sound amazing with rivets and your expertise
I've worked quite a few big and uglies and they are GREAT to mod. They are basically underprocessed bronze (which is why they're so cheap) so I can take them in a number of different directions.
This 62 year old musician states discovering Virgil Donati, Louis Cole, and now Reverie Drum company are my top # 3 things found on You Tube ! Peace from Detroit MI.
That's crazy! I love the XS20 cymbals lol But man I really want to send you one of my rides just to do that first initial lathe job you did. I loved that!
Master work again! 👏👏👏 I originally commented on this mod before seeing the full video. The XS really wasn't terrible at all. It had the ping of a really crystal like flat. More usable than I thought. It's definitely a product of it's time. Don't be surprised now if you have people sending you XS rides 😏. I think I still prefer the final version, but I do like the round one version a lot. It's a more versatile crash ride. The final version with rivets is more job specific. It has vibe for daaaays!!......super buttery!. You really captured the old K character. Is it maybe a little too dry?. Taking off half the rivets would let it breath a little more?. It would work well in a small jazz combo in a small venue, unless the drums are miked up. You definitely created a special instrument from a cheaper "entry" cymbal.
Very awesome video! It would be cool to do a mini series of these and showing the tonal change after each step for hats/crash/ride to see how the lathing and hammering effects it. But i know that would be a crazy amount of work lol Thanks for sharing this journey it was very cool to see!
I would love to do something like that. I've got other videos that go into this somewhat. This one in particular is fun: ua-cam.com/video/1BfLqWty7Jk/v-deo.html also part 2: ua-cam.com/video/ERFFQ5IzTWQ/v-deo.html
I’m actually pleasantly surprised at the original sound of the cymbal, they have certainly come a long way since the cheap sabian cymbals I bought a long time ago
I grabbed a complete set of these (16/18 crashes, 20” med ride and 14” hats) off reverb a few weeks ago for $250. I played drums for 15 years before taking a hiatus over the last 4 years and finally got back into it after a bad breakup a few months ago. These XS20s are GREAT for the money. I’m not a huge sabian fan, but they sound massively better than the cheap brass cymbals that Meinl and Zildjian and even sabian are offering for their starter sets now. These are actually more of an “intermediate” set than a beginner set, according to Reddit anyway. Absolutely cannot beat a used set for $250. The ride has a very small bell and can be kinda hard to hit, but the bell and the rest of the cymbal sounds great and the hats are great too. I know people would drag be for this, but VERY similar in sound and feel to zildjian new beats, but for about 1/3 the price on eBay and such. I kinda actually wanna clean them up and remove all the logos off of them because they sound much more expensive than they are
Fuckin A Tim! That's kinda astounding. You did some magic there on that baby. I dig it the most without the rivets but with the rivets is also very sweet!
Johan used to refer to the Sabian XS20 as the perfect blanks for modifying cymbals. This video made me a bit nostalgic for the olden day chats with him. You did a great job on this one. Would be a very fun left side ride.
A bit spooky coming across your video, considering I'm picking up a couple of cracked cheaper cymbals to have a play with hammering. I did not consider lathing them. Great video. I picked up plenty to dos and a good lesson in the art of a true craftsman. It's only easy if you have put the hours in to learn how. Thank you.
So, I am absolutely not a musician of any sorts, just so we are clear. I did notice what you refers to a darker tone in the final one. I understand now that the ring adds structure to a thinner cymbal. It makes sense from a structural perspective. This is why bead rollers and ridges are used on sheet metal on roofing. I am impressed with your detailed description of what you did. The fast speed of the progress was sort of annoying. You should have explained you intended pass then sped it up, then showed the final result. I think, in my opinion, that you are an incredible teacher and will inspire many people like me to attempt something extra ordinary like this. I personally liked the bright bell. The last rendition sounded too dark for my taste, but I am warming up to it. As I said before, I am far from musically inclined. Very cool video!
Great transformation. That is amazing!!! That Xs cymbal went for over $200 when it first came out. Sabian replaced the Xs line with the XSR line. I have an Xs 20 and find it has a lot of ring. Too much ring. I have to put a dampener on it to halt some of the ring. I also have some Xs20 med hihats that sound really good. I’ll bet you could make them sizzle.
Great job! The mod sounds a bit like a Jimmy Cobb cymbal to me, that fast crash and low ride sound - those rivets drying out the sound might be a part of this. I agree the XS20 can be decent right out of the box (no hammering at all I think). I once used a whole set of those on a gig, nobody complained :)
Very good results. I have an identical xs20 ride that has seen pretty much no use since getting my K custom dark ride and now I'm considering trying to modify it similarly to this. I just have never modded a cymbal outside of beating some crappy brass hi hats with a hammer when I was in high school to make a trashy sounding fx cymbal and I don't want to screw up with the xs20 since it was my first decent ride (although I did only pay $35 for it back in 2018).
Definitely worth finding someone with the tools to do it. My main job is cymbalsmithing so I've probably modified around 2000 cymbals in the last 6 years of doing this.
You made magic with it. But still it cannot be compared with your original cymbals. It sounds like it has only "half of your character". Great job, great video.
LOVE that you're using two sticks now! Yes; the stick pulls out different colors in the sound of a cymbal. Also love that you play it after lathing - right after lathing, NOT BAD! I'd play it. Hey; what do you do with all that B20 that comes off the lathe? Hopefully you find a way to reuse it / melt it down / reform ingots...?
The 3000 series is B8 alloy so, while I could make it sound a bit more complex, it wouldn't have near as much room as a B20 alloy cymbal. B8s don't sound great when they are thin (in my opinion)
Iove this!! I see on your website its aroind 200-300 to do all ghese mods but since a cumbal like this is so cheap wouldnit be possible to buy something similar?
Well, you could get a "nicer" cymbal for around 600-700 from a big brand, but it won't be customized to what you want. Most of those companies are notoriously bad for producing inconsistent results with their cymbals, too. You could buy based off of a demo video and the cymbal that arrives sounds very different. That's the main reason I do so many mods, I think.
Tim!! You crushed this! I am so totally blown away by what you were able to achieve with this cymbal. It will certainly be a treasure for me for many many years. Thank you!
This is Matt in Sacramento. Wanna sell me that cymbal (and the Yamaha too -- u know u do)?
Thanks Tim! You are the man!
@@nunnayuhbitness6708you crack me up man!
Amazing work! I learned so much...from Canada👍✌️
Amazing transformation
One thing about those XS20 rides: they were remarkably consistent. You can pretty much count on them sounding exactly like this. What a cool idea this video was!
Very true! They are a great starting point.
And are they indeed prone to cracking? I've always heard that but can't confirm.
@@NeCtRiCkS Someone else will have to chime in here. I can comment from my experience working the floor of the Drum Shop in Portland ME for a few years; during that time I never saw cracked XS20's, and while once in a while (because I still teach there) I see one on the used rack. I don't ever see cracked ones.
Is the xs 20 similar to an xsr20?
@@ridenm7748 Kind of, in that the XS20 was a line that made North-American-made B20 bronze cymbals affordable. (Until then if you wanted affordable B20 cymbals you had to go with Chinese-made.) XS20 used B20 to start with, then used manufacturing methods typically used on budget cymbals. With XSR20, they took processes used in making Xplosion and Evolution cymbals and dumbed them down a bit. So goes the story.
The cymbal in its original form was surprisingly decent, even for some jazz. I've heard a lot worse at higher price points. Of course you made it a lot better. Great job and interesting video!
I'd take it too! I been stuck between getting a cheap b20 or b12 ride, x20 or ZHT ,but b12 is hard to rework, I've been told.
Exactly. Reminded me of some cymbals Buddy Rich played when he was older, with big bands. He often had really pingy ride with lot of definition and volume, not something washy.
I have that same cymbal. It has too much ring. I put a dampener on it to stop some of the ring. That cymbal went for over $200 when it first came out. Sabian replaced the Xs 20 line with the XSR line. I have a Xs20 med ride, Xs20 14” thin crash, Xs20 16” thin crash and Xs20 med hi-hats. They are decent sounding. The hi-hats sound really good.
Thanks! I agree, the starting point was pretty good!
Yeah anything non-B20 is different and has less "range" with how you can mod it.
as a drummer you helped fill in some blanks on why cymbals sound the way they do... will definetly help me choose cymbals in the future!
Happy to hear that!
It was already much better after round 1! The fact that you knew exactly what to do to take it to another level after round 2 just shows your level of mastery. Amazing work! 👏👏👏
Thanks!
The final one version without rivet is my prefered. Nice job man!
Man finally somebody with good ideas...cymbals are so disgustingly expensive...like you have a feeling that someone has a monopoly and can ask any price ...thats why this is double good
Great result with the modification, both with or without the rivets. I find the whole subject fascinating, forming a hook to control the sound, shapes, weights, bells, etc... it really makes me look at my cymbals in a different light. Thank you for sharing some of your expertise, Timothy... I look forward to your next post.
Glad you enjoyed it!
6-7 years ago I got a xs20 20” in a handful pies I got off of eBay. I Was STRUGK by the Low&Small dia Bell and very Flat profile. And mine was on the light end for these at only 2270 grams. Was floored by what a pleasant sounding cymbal it was. Much more ‘Tick than ‘Ping, but it was stiff feeling & gongy when crashed.
Gave it 3 or 4 hammering sessions on the train tracks behind my house. Using mostly underside hammering w/ a final Re-tensioning at the end, I was able to get it to loosen up and crash AWESomely While keeping stock weight.
These should be grabbed up by any hobbies or aspiring cymbalsmith, anytime they are seen!!
…and yes as always, GREAT WORK BROTHER!!👏👏
I was sceptical when I first read the video title, but now after watching it I'm totally convinced. Not only the cymbal sounds great as I've also learned some useful things about cymbals. I really liked the sound right after the lathing. One of my favourite cymbals are Istanbul's Traditional Series. The drums sounded well too.
Thank you!
Nice work.
Thanks, Lance! You were a big inspiration for me back in 2017 when I started working with cymbal alloy.
Nice to hear from you M Lance ! Where have you been? 😢
This is fascinating I need some time stamps for this:
Original 2:25
After first lathe 4:59
Finished - without rivets 10:38
What an amazing job you did! It’s like a more open version of a K light ride, and moves similarly.
This was fascinating! Having modded amps, guitars, and basses, I never imagined the idea of having a cymbal modded! I'm truly amazed! Thank for sharing.
Sounded and looked really good at 5:11 I'm more into my rock tones though and retro looks. Sounded kind of washy at the end but I guess that's jazz? Certainly drastically transformed! Those Sabian XS cymbals are a secret budget gem. I've got a set. I got 20"R 16"C 14"C 10"S and 14"Hats all for £70 on the FaceSpace MarketPlace couldn't say no!
I have this exact same Sabian ride cymbal which I also picked up for about $50. It's remarkable what you were able to turn this into. Really nice!
Thanks!
Tim does a beautiful job as you can hear in this mod. He made me a 22" that I use all the time and nailed the sound I wanted. He is a great guy too. Very easy to work with. This guy knows his stuff and I highly recommend him.
Thank you!
WOW! What a transformation this is! The final product sounds like an old K from the 50's or 60's, not all K's were good but this cymbal here is awesome.
Thanks!
Haha 7:23, very nice work on the cymbal and thanks for explaining your methods
What a great video! I love it that tweaking cymbals and making them better versions of themselves is now a thing.
Amazing job. One of the nicest cymbals I've ever heard!
Wow you really did a great job with that cymbal. You took the nasty ovtertones out. Love the crash, attack with quick fade, and the ride, low wash with great stick definition even right after the crash. Great job.
Thank you!
I’m new to drumming at an older age (almost 55). I got my 7pc Tama SS classic and Paiste 900 pack all about 2 months ago.
Your video is EXCELLENT and very informative and eye opening.
Right on man!
Thanks for watching!
Great work! As a woodturner, I’ve spent sixteen years facing the headstock of a lathe. Yr technique at the lathe is absolutely text-book-quality. Great fluidity and control to yr movements.
Wow! That's awesome to hear. I'm completely self-taught on turning so as far as I knew I could have terrible technique! haha
@@ReverieDrumCo Yr definitely doing something right! Beautiful final result, by the way-sounds and looks great. (I love that you removed so much weight evenly to make the cymbal look liquid when struck with any force.)
@@a.s.henderson483 thank you!
Hey! I have that exact cymbal! I got it back in high school as my first ride as a gift from my pops. I have gigged it for close to 15 years and I’ll echo what everyone else is saying - the XS20s were fantastic entry level cymbals and all-around greats. Can’t wait to see what you do with it! 😎
This was fascinating. Took a cheap-sounding clangy gong and gave it such jazzy delicacy
Preferred it before the rivets but i get why you included them
Holy Shite! Great job, man! You really opened that cymbal up- it really breathes now. Nice wash, and I dig the rivets.
very nice work. I believe the word you were saying at 9:20 is flange which is pronounced with a softer a sound.
When you first showed the "after" I thought you were kidding!! Wow, what an incredible transformation. Excellent craftsmanship! I bought that XS20 ride when they first came out, and what a gong it was!! The XS20 hi hats were also super heavy but sounded surprisingly great.
Thank you! Cheers!
Timothy idk if you remember me but I had you do a similar thing with 2 stagg b20 rides. Still have them and they are getting even better with time. Super buttery cymbals that turn heads when people see and hear them
So glad to hear that! Those really were nice entry level b20s.
It depends too you guys, the XS20 basically got shaped with a hundred ton hydraulic press then lathed. Hammering takes a lot of man hours hand hammering and the cost of running the additional hammering machines in the process beating up their equipment too.. Tim basically adds complexity and what Jazz players need the sound and feel of the cymbal in order for it to work. Furthermore as like what Tim said, it's easier to work with a smaller bell harder to do with an A heavy ride etc.
Popular in the 60s...called a sizzles among other names.
@@NotExpatJoe And there's a few video showing it how they make their AA and AAX
Nice playing in this video! (in addition to the great transformation of the cymbal!)
Excellent! Very informative. I spy the Riley book on your stand there as well.... Cool!
Signed by the man himself back in 2010 when he visited my university. That was a life changing lesson.
Amazing job, excellent presentation too.
Craftsmanship on a whole other level 😮😮😮🔥🔥💯
wow !!!! the end result is amazing sounding!!!
Nothing short of amazing! God bless you brother!!!
I am enjoying your videos a lot to advance my knowledge of cymbals. Many thanks for that. I have learned a lot already.
This is perfect example that the chefs is important than material.
Not completely, as Sabian def take the extra steps when the cymbals gunna be expensive..this is more about time..if this dude was trying to introduce a cheaper version of his brand, in hopes to get ppl to buy the more expensive stuff, he'd likely end up with the same cymbal. Cutting corners cut cost. The "materials" in this situation of a cheap ass cymbal were far beyond adequate, it's just the time spent was more. It's more like taking more time to stir a soup while adding a few more dashes of stuff to top it off instead of just sending it out the door with salt and pepper only
@@NintenDub agree with ‘time’. The process to make great cymbal would take long time , energy, knowledge, and passion only by master Craftsmen that machine never can.
Very, very interesting; love what you did here; always ready to learn more about drums AND cymbals. So great, thanks.
Amazing content, so much more detail and insight than those factory tour videos.. and I’ve actually toured the Zildjian factory in person 😄
absolutely amazing! it is hard to believe
I LOVE the result, well done !
Fabulous work! I learned a lot and love the transformation!🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Hey, I really enjoyed this project. Thanks to both Tims!
Great work Tim!!! I really like the sound and play-ability of the ride with the clarity and homogenous sound of the bell! Not sure if this was mentioned, I am interested as to why the placement of the 10 rivets midway between the bell and edge?
That was a nod to this old K I did a video on recently: ua-cam.com/video/XskFGIelqGM/v-deo.html
AMAZING VIBS BRO! Great work and thank you for sharing your hours of work!
After drumming on an old kitchen seat, I got my first blue sparkle drum kit in Dec. '73...perhaps within a few years of that, I bought an 18" ride for maybe a whopping $12...well, as the saying goes, "You get what you pay for."...I did drill it to place homemade rivets for a sizzle ride...the ride eventually cracked and dented...but, master-of-makeshift that I am, I ended up inverting the ride (without any rivets) and positioned it so that I would strike it in the divet of the dent, and voila, I had a makeshift china...in addition, the top hi-hat that came with the kit would at times buckle/dent upon striking it... nevertheless, I still learned that, when it comes to cymbals, quality may count...
True!
@@ReverieDrumCo 🙂
I love what you are doing. Man that cymbal sounds great. You sold me, I would love a custom one.
I've got info on my cymbals and mods on my website: reveriedrums.com/shop/timothy-roberts-cymbals
Are you kidding me? This sounds SO good dude! This is actually inspiring because now I’ll go find a junk 24” for next to nothing and you can turn it into THIS! Crazy. I actually have a Sabian Big Ugly Apollo 22” that has a weird overtone I don’t like. I bet it would sound amazing with rivets and your expertise
I've worked quite a few big and uglies and they are GREAT to mod. They are basically underprocessed bronze (which is why they're so cheap) so I can take them in a number of different directions.
AMAZING WORK SIR...!!! 🤩🤩🤩👍👍👍👍👍
Sounds like hellraiser and Freddy Krueger having a convo in a nightmare! 🤣 great work! Happy to have found your channel!
Dig it! Thanks!
Excellent work Tim!
Man you got talent !!
Fantastic. I wish I had a cheap cymbal to send you
Incredible! The outcome is fantastic👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This 62 year old musician states discovering Virgil Donati, Louis Cole, and now Reverie Drum company are my top # 3 things found on You Tube !
Peace from Detroit MI.
Yes! wow that's some awesome company!
I was surprised! great job
Good job...I just saw the before and after by Tim....Amazing.
That's crazy! I love the XS20 cymbals lol But man I really want to send you one of my rides just to do that first initial lathe job you did. I loved that!
Thanks!
Nice mod and Great playing.
✌️
Incredible work Tim!
Great video - very educational and inspiring. Makes me want to send my A-Zildjian medium ride to you to work your magic!
Bring it on!
amazing Job Tim....as usual.
Incredible work!
Master work again! 👏👏👏
I originally commented on this mod before seeing the full video. The XS really wasn't terrible at all. It had the ping of a really crystal like flat. More usable than I thought. It's definitely a product of it's time. Don't be surprised now if you have people sending you XS rides 😏. I think I still prefer the final version, but I do like the round one version a lot. It's a more versatile crash ride. The final version with rivets is more job specific. It has vibe for daaaays!!......super buttery!. You really captured the old K character. Is it maybe a little too dry?. Taking off half the rivets would let it breath a little more?. It would work well in a small jazz combo in a small venue, unless the drums are miked up. You definitely created a special instrument from a cheaper "entry" cymbal.
Thank you! Yeah the original is not a bad sound at all. I agree also that it doesn't need all the rivets. Thanks for watching!
Very awesome video!
It would be cool to do a mini series of these and showing the tonal change after each step for hats/crash/ride to see how the lathing and hammering effects it. But i know that would be a crazy amount of work lol
Thanks for sharing this journey it was very cool to see!
I would love to do something like that. I've got other videos that go into this somewhat. This one in particular is fun: ua-cam.com/video/1BfLqWty7Jk/v-deo.html
also part 2: ua-cam.com/video/ERFFQ5IzTWQ/v-deo.html
@@ReverieDrumCo Thanks! i checke those videos out and they were lots of fun and very cool. I definetly subscribed to your channel!
Amazing man!I thought it was an April fools joke at first.
You did an amazing job on this!
Fascinating topic, great job, GREAT explanation, i subscribed-
Thanks!
I liked the way you made it sound the same as at the beginning, except with rivets.
I’m actually pleasantly surprised at the original sound of the cymbal, they have certainly come a long way since the cheap sabian cymbals I bought a long time ago
I grabbed a complete set of these (16/18 crashes, 20” med ride and 14” hats) off reverb a few weeks ago for $250. I played drums for 15 years before taking a hiatus over the last 4 years and finally got back into it after a bad breakup a few months ago.
These XS20s are GREAT for the money. I’m not a huge sabian fan, but they sound massively better than the cheap brass cymbals that Meinl and Zildjian and even sabian are offering for their starter sets now. These are actually more of an “intermediate” set than a beginner set, according to Reddit anyway. Absolutely cannot beat a used set for $250. The ride has a very small bell and can be kinda hard to hit, but the bell and the rest of the cymbal sounds great and the hats are great too. I know people would drag be for this, but VERY similar in sound and feel to zildjian new beats, but for about 1/3 the price on eBay and such. I kinda actually wanna clean them up and remove all the logos off of them because they sound much more expensive than they are
To add rivets as a "nod" to another cymbal is fantastic. I may have found someone who loves cymbals even more than I do.
Fuckin A Tim! That's kinda astounding. You did some magic there on that baby. I dig it the most without the rivets but with the rivets is also very sweet!
Thanks!
Yeah Tim, you’re doing great work!
Thank you Clarence! Means a ton coming from you!
You're really great man, even as a jazz drummer. Greetings from Andy Moehring
Thank you!
This camera angle shows how the cymbal grows and shrinks in different places as it vibrates. It’s much the the undulations of a jellyfish. …Tom
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Great job, buddy!
Johan used to refer to the Sabian XS20 as the perfect blanks for modifying cymbals. This video made me a bit nostalgic for the olden day chats with him.
You did a great job on this one. Would be a very fun left side ride.
What a Legend!
@ReverieDrumCo he was a very generous soul. Happy to share his insights.
A bit spooky coming across your video, considering I'm picking up a couple of cracked cheaper cymbals to have a play with hammering. I did not consider lathing them. Great video. I picked up plenty to dos and a good lesson in the art of a true craftsman. It's only easy if you have put the hours in to learn how. Thank you.
Have fun with it!
So, I am absolutely not a musician of any sorts, just so we are clear. I did notice what you refers to a darker tone in the final one. I understand now that the ring adds structure to a thinner cymbal. It makes sense from a structural perspective. This is why bead rollers and ridges are used on sheet metal on roofing. I am impressed with your detailed description of what you did. The fast speed of the progress was sort of annoying. You should have explained you intended pass then sped it up, then showed the final result. I think, in my opinion, that you are an incredible teacher and will inspire many people like me to attempt something extra ordinary like this. I personally liked the bright bell. The last rendition sounded too dark for my taste, but I am warming up to it. As I said before, I am far from musically inclined. Very cool video!
Wonderful Work!!!! Great
What an amazing skill to have.
Great transformation. That is amazing!!! That Xs cymbal went for over $200 when it first came out. Sabian replaced the Xs line with the XSR line. I have an Xs 20 and find it has a lot of ring. Too much ring. I have to put a dampener on it to halt some of the ring. I also have some Xs20 med hihats that sound really good. I’ll bet you could make them sizzle.
Yeah that pack is an excellent started kit.
Great job! The mod sounds a bit like a Jimmy Cobb cymbal to me, that fast crash and low ride sound - those rivets drying out the sound might be a part of this.
I agree the XS20 can be decent right out of the box (no hammering at all I think). I once used a whole set of those on a gig, nobody complained :)
Yeah, they are great entry level B20s. Nothing wrong with them at all for louder music.
Fascinating! Great video, thanks. Of all my drum components I’ve found that cymbals are by far the most subjective sound…✌️🇦🇺
Very true!
Very good results. I have an identical xs20 ride that has seen pretty much no use since getting my K custom dark ride and now I'm considering trying to modify it similarly to this. I just have never modded a cymbal outside of beating some crappy brass hi hats with a hammer when I was in high school to make a trashy sounding fx cymbal and I don't want to screw up with the xs20 since it was my first decent ride (although I did only pay $35 for it back in 2018).
Definitely worth finding someone with the tools to do it. My main job is cymbalsmithing so I've probably modified around 2000 cymbals in the last 6 years of doing this.
"you can tune a drum but you cant tune a cymbal" meanwhile ant reverie:
😂😂 imagined me comming to gig: “Oh it’s medium ride, just a minute” and bust out my lathe and hammers 😂😂
Sounds beautiful
I can't believe that wad a xs 20. Truly Amazing!
You made magic with it. But still it cannot be compared with your original cymbals. It sounds like it has only "half of your character".
Great job, great video.
Glad you like it!
I still play my xs20 hats, the other cymbals in that line I did not keep around the ride was ok but the crashes were very clangy
Great work bravissimo complimenti dall'ITALIA
LOVE that you're using two sticks now! Yes; the stick pulls out different colors in the sound of a cymbal. Also love that you play it after lathing - right after lathing, NOT BAD! I'd play it.
Hey; what do you do with all that B20 that comes off the lathe? Hopefully you find a way to reuse it / melt it down / reform ingots...?
All the scrap gets recycled. I wish I could melt it down but I'd need a full foundry first... maybe one day!
Wow. I've always loved thin cymbals but this is crazy !!!
It makes sense now though its like such an instantly recognizeable sound...
wow youre a crazy good drummer too
Thanks!
Your work is great as always. I have a 20" Paiste 3000 I would like to turn into a complex ride. Can you help do this?
The 3000 series is B8 alloy so, while I could make it sound a bit more complex, it wouldn't have near as much room as a B20 alloy cymbal. B8s don't sound great when they are thin (in my opinion)
Simply art!!!!
Iove this!! I see on your website its aroind 200-300 to do all ghese mods but since a cumbal like this is so cheap wouldnit be possible to buy something similar?
Well, you could get a "nicer" cymbal for around 600-700 from a big brand, but it won't be customized to what you want. Most of those companies are notoriously bad for producing inconsistent results with their cymbals, too. You could buy based off of a demo video and the cymbal that arrives sounds very different. That's the main reason I do so many mods, I think.
Well done!!!!
Amazing! Bravo, and I wish I lived in America!
Well this is bloody great!
🤯🤯🤯🤯.
John Riley on stand in background?
Oh yeah! His are my favorite technique books!