Harry Kim in new timeline. Original Harry Kim signed in his commission after losing all hands on voyager in original timeline, while skipping in the flyer with Chakotay. It was during their attempt to navigate the quantum skip tunnel they stole from the Borg. They were flung loose and phased into an ice planet.... Bodily.
Riker did as well. Saw him grow up all through the 1st Officer position up to Captain. And if you're into the extended lit universe, you get to see him rise up to Admiral...
Sisko should have started as Captain and been promoted to Commodore. His responsibilities were to big for a mere Commander! Sisko was responsible for preparing Bajor for entry into the Federation, for containing the Maquis threat, for maintaining a fragile peace with the scheming Cardassians, for planning and coordinating the war effort against the Dominion, and more.
Commodore isn't a reank, it is the title of a position. A captain commanding a flotilla or group of ships. It's a temporary position for the duration of a mission.
@@DaveMiller2 Maybe in the U.S. Navy but this is Star Trek. In TOS there were several Commodores commanding starbases and in the episode "Doomsday Machine" a commodore commanded a single ship.
Sisko was in command of the Bajorian Sector as well as commanding Deep Space Nine. He would have been a Rear Admiral if not a full Admiral actually. Because of the area of his command. I have always believed the character of short changed in development.
@dave miller. Here are examples from TOS. Commodore Stone, Commander of StarBase 10, Commodore Jose Mendez, Commander of StarBase 12, Commodore George Stocker, Commodore Matthew Decker, Commanding Officer of the USS Constellation, Commodore Robert Wesley, Commanding the USS Lexington and a Task Force of 4 Starships (Lexington, Potemkin, Excalibur and Hood) From TNG... Vice Admiral Takamura, Commander of StarBase 173. Admiral Dexter Holt, Commander of Deep Space 3, Vice Admiral William Ross, Commander, Federation Forces Starbase 375. So Dave that is why I said Sisko got short changed.
@@DaveMiller2 Nope. The Starfleet officer rank system is based on the US Navy system where Commodore is a full-fledged military rank between Captain and Rear Admiral, that is assigned only during time of war. (Presumably, Commodore Decker from TOS is a holdover from a period of war. where he was promoted to that rank but had not since ascended to the admiralty.)
Janeway was always the boldest, most decisional, and deadliest person to occupy the center seat. She could negotiate with skill or kick some alien ass with equal aplomb. She gave little quarter all the while staying within Star Fleet Regulations.
Talk about "projection." Janeway was the best of all the captains. I can't count how many times Kirk ignored the prime directive. Well, I could, but I don't feel like it.@@tdog999100
i'd say sisko is the most lethal of the captains, he was willing to render a planet uninhabitable in order to fight the maquise and willing participated in the assassination of a romulan politician.
Riker and Sisko were Commanders for so Long cause they KNEW that IT IS the Most comfortable Rank in Starfleet.. Almost all the Power but only a Fraction of the responsibilities of the Captains Rank xD
Siskos promotion when his DS9 series began was long time coming. An personally I think by where he got where he was in the books post TV show he shoulda promoted to Admiral. Had to know during the Dominion War they was thinking about it. I would've if was them, he proved to be one the most experienced and best battle Captains they ever had
Sisko was at Lt. Commander though during Wolf 359 and his transfer to Utopia Planitia likely slowed down his development. But he was a single parent at the time and grieving the loss of his wife so being closer to home was probably what he needed. He didn't want to move Jake to Bajor and take command of DS9 though. But obviously that corresponds to his rank of full Commander and then we say his development from there.
Lmao! So true! Too bad most people won't get it because they don't know that in the US Air Force, Army or Marines, captain is a low rank, going from 2nd Lt., 1st Lt., and then CPT. You swabbies make everything confusing by having CPT. as such a high rank, above commander and just below Rear Admiral (lower half). To hell with Naval tradition--a captain is an 0-3 not an 0-6! 😉
@@munstrumridcully No, you grunts, jarheads and grunts with wings confuse things badly by calling your O-3s 'Captain' when they are nothing of the sort. Captains are obviously highly experienced senior officers actually commanding independent units, usually with more firepower than anything your O-3s could command. 😉
@@robertf3479 Oh you squids are all alike! What are all those big guns overcompensating for? 😃 The only good naval style "Captains" are Captain Kirk and Captain Picard! Real captains salute majors! 😉
An Army-Captain MIGHT be intimmidated by a CSM (Command Sergeant Major), a Navy-Captain certainly not by a Master Chief Petty Officer. Unless it's not the MCPON when he's a in company of his buddy the CNO ☆☆☆☆
Before Star Trek, Avery Brooks played a character called Hawk on Robert Urich's Spensor for hire, and a short lived spin off called 'A man called Hawk.' That is where the bad ass bald head came from.Hawk had the bald head and goatee which made him look like a tough dude. Brooks grew his hair back specifically for the DS9.
An "autobiography" about Picard explains many of the details of his life during and after the Stargazer years. It's a really good book and I highly recommend it to any fan.
Benjamin Sisko had the most difficult senior staff. Call me crazy, but I LOVED Captain Edward Jellico (Ronny Cox) no nonsense direct command style that shook the senior staff out of Picard complacency.
@@williamalfonso1373 *Picard is good, but he is VERY overrated from using his top talent.* Picard was meeting the officer who could make his dream come true of Bajor's Starfleet admission. Why not ask Data: "Tell me EVERYTHING about Ben Sisko"?
Jellico was a moron, Ronny Cox did an excellent job of portraying the typical arrogant commander that usually gets everyone killed - But that scenario is nothing new, there are always plenty of 'outside' captains and admirals who turn up from time to time to play the idiots in order to make the main characters look smart. It does beg the question though as to where Starfleet manages to find all these moronic admirals/captains and how did they become an admiral/captain in the first place given the strict criteria of Starfleet??!
Jellico strikes me as a very capable military commander. Possibly my favourite captain in Star Trek. And he was totally right in finally demanding that Troi wear a uniform while on duty.
What you have to remember that just as in the real Navy (upon which Star Trek’s rank system is based), there is the RANK of CAPTAIN and the POSITION of CAPTAIN. The rank itself is a higher rank but it doesn’t guarantee that you will achieve the CAPTAINCY of a vessel or station or outpost. Another term for CAPTAIN (referring to the POSITION not the RANK), is COMMANDING OFFICER (or C.O.). So you can be a CAPTAIN-COMMANDING OFFICER but NOT hold the RANK of CAPTAIN. This happens all the time in the Navy. You often see a Lieutenant Commander serving as a CAPTAIN (the POSITION) of a smaller vessel or non-capital ship or even a shore facility like a Frigate or an Supply Ship or a small base. One example of this (and the only Star Trek CAPTAIN of a ship or facility who wasn’t a CAPTAIN in rank is Benjamin Sisko). Later he is promoted to CAPTAIN in rank, but before that he was only a COMMANDER (one rank lower) but still the COMMANDING OFFICER of DS9 and the Defiant as he held the rank of Commander.. Most of the time DS9 avoids confusing the viewers by rarely referring to him as the “Captain of DS9” in position, which he TECHNICALLY he was as its Commanding Officer. They refer to him as “Commander Sisko” until he gets his promotion to Captain (in rank), though he already was a “Captain”. I can understand why they would avoid calling Sisko a “Captain” before he achieved the rank to avoid confusion (though I think they should have started him off as a Captain in the first place...). Are there Captains that are NOT commanding officers of a vessel or ship? Absolutely! In the Navy these officers are normally taken off of any ships and placed on shore facilities as an attaché (assistant) to an Admiral. You see this once or twice in TNG BUT they don’t talk much about it.
There was one episode during the Dominion War where Dax was in command of the Defiant. O’Brian told Nog that even though Dax didn’t hold the rank of Captain, she should be called Captain because she was in command of the ship.
Captain Picard had a painting of a space station in his quarters. Considering there’s a painting of the Enterprise D and a model of the Stargazer in his ready room, I think the show runners wanted to hint that Picard may have been in command of that space station at some point. It would have been a good way to explain what he did in the nine years between the Stargazer and the Enterprise.
*Captain Montgomery Scott,* was still serving as the *Chief Engineer* of the U.S.S. Enterprise, when he received his *promotion to Captain of Engineers.*
His rank is captain and his position ist engineer. so the rank ist not ever the same the position. A position of the captain can be a commander...the rank: commanding officer commander xy or Lt.Cdr
Wait. Captain Garrett was born in Indiana like Captain Janeway? So between Garrett, Janeway, and Kirk, we've so far had a three country folks as starship captains, which is just AWESOME!! (not to include Dr. McCoy, as we don't know exactly what went on for him in the time between Generations and the TNG episode "Encounter at Farpoint" where he's an Admiral)
It would be a very different sort of list if you did that. Because instead of being the list of every captain, it would just be the list of all the promotions, demotions and reinstatements of Captain Kirk. The list goes on and on. ^___^ I suppose there is probably enough for at least a good 10 to 12 minutes (or maybe more minutes) just from that list.
The illustrious career of the captain with the most promotions, demotions and reinstatements in Starfleet history. That would indeed make an interesting list.
That and the fact that he was Pike’s personal protege. I mean the guy was being groomed to be captain and not only devastated every challenge put to him but did it in record time and then saved the earth for good measure.
Everyone here is complaining about the lack of Sulu, while I’m sitting here thinking about my man Captain Decker. Great video, man, it was really interesting hearing about all the different captain’s backgrounds. I always felt bad for Harriman, always thought Generations did him cheap, though, Generations did everyone cheap. My favorite Captain is probably Archer, I always loved the feel of Enterprise really getting out there and exploring unknown space. Sure, Archer said “We’re new at this” and “We’re new in this neighborhood “ and “We’re just exploring” a bit too many times in the first two seasons, but I still love him and the crew of Enterprise NX-01 all the same.
Captain Decker? Captain Sulu? Captain April? Captain Scotty? (I know the video mentioned it, but not *how* he became captain) Dr. McCoy was an admiral in the TNG pilot, so he must have been captain at some point!
Captain Harriman obviously hadn't paid close attention when researching the history of ships named 'Enterprise.' Ships carrying that name often end up in the middle of the storm when the manure hits the high speed blower. 'The torpedoes and medical staff don't arrive until Tuesday,' Kirk just rolls his eyes.
When I think of the most iconic Janeway-ism, I always think "Take us out!" Picard is of course the "Picard Manoeuvre" (pulling his tunic down) Sisko was only Sisko when bald ;-)
batgurrl haters gonna hate I guess, our Captain’s got a lot of fans! Ignore the haters. Gene Roddenberry’s hope for the future is all about getting past that kind of behavior.
icycream1406 so true. I also think there’s plenty of misogyny going on. Seven was hot but not in charge so they love her. She was the only captain out there all alone with no help from the federation. Hardest job of all🖖
batgurrl preach gurl! That’s why I love her, she stayed strong for her crew. And was a respected leader while maintaining her femininity. They were alone in that quadrant and they really became a bonded family by the end of it which is great.
First female captain of an Enterprise was actually Captain Demora Sulu, taking command of NCC-1701-B from Captain Harriman around 2311. And Picard was officially promoted to captain after the mission where he took over the Stargazer after Captain Ruhalter was killed and the XO was severely wounded and the XO later attempted a mutiny against Picard.
I like when Suru becomes acting captain he has the computer tell him the strengths of al the best captains and archer was on the list. Enterprise is my fave so far :)
I just imagine the looks Archer gets at the Captain's Table. Kirk: I had a hard climb up the ranks against the odds. Pike: I was first officer to my distinguished predecessor. Picard: I took command when the entirety of the command staff were killed in the first shot of a battle. Archer: I stole the prototype and my dad built the engine. Others: *Facepalm* Dammnit Johnny!
I actually think it was a lot harder on Archer than any of the others after he became Captain (rather than in getting to Captain). Not only did he not have any accumulated mission logs or previous examples from other Captains throughout history to learn from, but his was the first and only Starfleet vessel at the time setting out to explore the vast and cold blackness of space. They had to find their way, make contact with unknown species and chart completely new territory completely alone. There wasn’t an entire fleet of other ships to call for help if you needed it. It would have been a daunting prospect to say the least, but Archer and crew were more than up for it.
@@YS-ep7zw Sure and I'll admit he had some good ideas like loosening up the chain of command on long range missions and the beginnings of what would become the Prime Directive but at the same time there is such a thing as being too casual when you are in command of a 150 meter long tin can with an anti matter engine loaded to the brim with nukes.
William Windom as Commodore Matt Decker in "The Doomsday Machine" Playing with the disks in his hand in Kirk's chair after he took Command of Enterprise. Priceless.
@@MrAndroidData yeah i have that on my computer but i'm watching from my phone. I don't mind ads (they've got to make money somehow), just when there are a large number of them and they are long.
Just pretend you're going to warp speed when pressing the "Skip Ad" button for each ad......during the 5 seconds you have to wait for the button to show up, make the warp drive powering up sound: *_"doooooooooOOOOOOOHHHH, PTEEEWW!!!"_*
Thank you I keep getting the same ad asking do you approve of tRUMP. I'm over here like if I didn't approve of his ass one minute ago wtf makes you think watching another minute of a Trek Culture video is going to change my mind?
Great video! One minor addendum, Kirk commanded a second 5 year mission after the V’Ger incident where Spock returned to being Exec & Sci officer. Before people comment saying that’s not on screen canon... nor is half of this awesome countdown!
Correct - There was a second five-year mission under Kirk. Non-canon is that when Admiral Kirk felt time for a change (choosing to be closer to the Academy than to Operations as in his previous desk job) he pushed for Spock to become Captain. Spock said he would take the job as a teaching position only.
TrekCulture: Here are some you have missed: Captain Robert T. April / Captain Garrovick / Captain Matt Decker / Captain Will Decker / Captain Hikaru Sulu / Captain Styles / Captain Edward Jellico / Captain Benjamin Maxwell / Captain Erik Pressman / Captain Silva La Forge / Captain Zimbata / Captain Robert DeSoto / Captain Leyton / Captain Tim Watters / Captain Solok / Captain Nog (In an alternate timeline 2422) / Captain Rudolph "Rudy" Ransom / Captain Harry Kim (In an alternate 25th century timeline) / Captain Michael Burnham (Mirror universe) / Captain Sylvia Tilly (Captain Killy (Mirror universe)) / Captain Beverly Picard (In an alternate future, Beverly had been promoted to captain and was commanding the medical ship USS Pasteur) / Captain Geordi La Forge (In another alternate timeline, La Forge had been promoted to the rank of captain by 2390 and was in command of the Galaxy-class USS Challenger. In that year, he pursued Chakotay, Harry Kim, Tessa Omond and The Doctor in a stolen Delta Flyer to the Takara sector in an attempt to stop them from changing history by preventing the destruction of the USS Voyager fifteen years earlier. (VOY: "Timeless")) / Captain ______ Madge Sinclair played an unknown (Saratoga Captain (uncredited)), in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) / Captain Joel Randolph (Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home) / Captain Clark Terrell (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan). I don't think you need to worry about George Kirk and Saru, because they were only acting Captains. I take you were only interested in Starfleet captains, so i didn't include the others. I'm sure you know other races have captains too such as the Klingons, the Romulans, the Vulcans, and the Cardassians etc. etc..
Deep space nine was one of my favorite series. Just seeing the upgrades starfleet had to implement as a result of the Dominion war. As a result of the loss of the USS Odyssey. The Defiant was amazing. And Captain Sisko was one of the best captains in my opinion.
The promotion of Pine's Kirk to captain within a few days after graduation is one of the most unforgiveably silly ideas I've ever heard. JJ Abrams is a buffoon. Don't get me started on the dagger idea from Rise of Skywalker. But this is just two of countless absurdities from Abrams.
It's hardly that unforgivable and silly, Starfleet lost basically an entire graduating class, not to mention how many older officers in the fleet at Vulcan. It is not unlikely at all that they would have promoted Kirk given he not only saved the day but also showed that he was able to do the job. Besides, the whole point of Kirk being unready for command was addressed in the second movie literally as a story point that they promoted him too fast in the moment without thinking about long term.
@@CaptainPikeachu It is ENTIRELY unforgiveble and silly. There couldn't have been all that many senior officers at Vulcan, the primary fleet was out of range remember? And the loss of most of a graduating class results in very few candidates for captain? So let's jump an ensign over FOUR ranks to captain. Seriously? How is it that ONE smashingly successful mission is solid evidence that all we'll ever see from this exam-cheating former juvenile delinquent is success after success? How is it not seen as flukishly good luck? It would in OUR universe.
@@CaptainPikeachu "ot to mention how many older officers in the fleet at Vulcan." Not all that many, really. The entire reason for sending ships full of cadets on the rescue mission is that the bulk of the fleet is elsewehre at the time (the Laurentian system, I think), meaning the vast majority of Starfleets personnel survived the movie. Promoting a cadet to Captain, rather than a Commander from that large pool of people, is pretty stupid.
My great uncle found himself promoted to Colonel (Full bird) at the age of 25. Granted it was WWII and basically all the others were shot down, but sometimes surviving is a good thing.
Rachel Garrett was not the only female captain of an Enterprise. Beverly Crusher was given temporary command of the Enterprise D. Picard even refered to her as Captain when she took temporary command of the ship during a Borg incident.
Thank you for working hard to give us fans a insightful look at the many interesting Captain characters in Star Trek. I always know I will enjoy the from TrekCulture My you live long and prosper. Maybe you could do an insightful look at what you think makes a Captain a great one from top to bottom.
They wanted to replace Commander Riker with his double in the episode "Second Chances". When i read that recently, i thought it was interesting! Thank you for this video! I really loved it!
I like your list. Captain Donald Varley of the Yamato and Captain Declan Keogh of the Odyssey would be interesting topics as they are among the first cadre of captains on galaxy class vessels.
Will Decker, the refitted Enterprise Captain in ST: the Motion Picture was supposed to be the son of Commodore Matt Decker from the TOS episode “The Doomsday Machine”
What about Hikaru Sulu, Demora Sulu (later) Montgomery Scott (shame about his nephew Peter Preston), Matt Decker, Willard Decker, Benjamin Maxwell, Phillipa Louvois, Silva La Forge, Tryla Scott, Morgan Bateson, Randolph Ransom, Rixx & Styles?
Never realized it was called the Kelvin timeline due to the ship being named the Kelvin. I had thought it was due to them having Kelvin class tech from the start rather than in main Trek where Kelvin class ships and tech only show up at the very end during the dominion war. Before that point no one in the Alpha Quadrant had a capital sized ship.
When you say "every captain" do you mean captains like John "C U Next Tuesday" Harriman or Charlie Reynolds? What about Captain Proton? This gon' be a big-ass list.
No, the list is very short. There *_IS_* only *"ONE"* Captain in Star Trek and that is Captain Kirk _(as portrayed by William Shatner)_ .......so-called captains like Picard, Sisko and Janeway get pissed on from a very great height by Captain Kirk; so high that they think it must be raining except the rain is warm and tastes funny so they pull out their tricorders and determine that the rain is actually piss, specifically that of Captain Kirk. Those so-called captains are career Starfleet officers that followed the rule book and regulations to get to their position; with Captain Kirk, it was fate, destiny, the alignment of the stars, out-of-the-box thinking, and sheer badassery.
What a lot of information you found... fascinating! I agree you missed Sulu... anyone else? PS glad you mentioned the "alternative timeline of Kirk etc." I thought that one had messed up the entire future history of the Star Trek universe and changed everything.
1) if pike was made first office of the enterprise he was the second captain not the first. 2) Picard laughed when the nosican stabbed him, he didn't just smile.
Yeah Robert April has always been cannonically the first Captain of the Enterprise. It is just not as well known because I believe it is covered in the originally cancelled pilot episode of Star Trek, The Cage. Then later revealed when that episode was released. Something along those lines.
You are making the mistake of confusing Captain, a rank, with Commanding Officer, (CO), a billet. Not all Captains are COs and not all COs are Captains. For smaller Commands in the US Navy the CO is often a billet for a Commander. Likewise there are TWO Captains aboard an American aircraft carrier, the CO of the ship and the Commander-Air Group, or CAG. Obviously the CAG is subordinate to the CO, but this is only applicable when the Air Group is actually deployed to the ship. An Air Group is composed of several squadrons of varying types of aircraft and each squadron is a distinct Command with it's own CO, usually one holding the rank of Commander. This is how Benjamin Sisko was appointed as CO of a commandeered Cardassian space station in adjacent to the planet Bajor while holding the rank of Commander. It's because the position was a billet for a commander.
15:04 I never thought about it much before but why were so many families onboard such a small ship as the USS Saratoga? Especially knowing it was headed to intercept a Borg cube.
Vuoto Pneumatico Non Non Regardless if there was time or not I thought one of the big new features of the Galaxy class starship was that it was large enough to allow for families to travel with the crew. The implication being that it didn’t happen before that class, especially not on a small ship like a Miranda-class vessel.
@@skyserf maybe not all families were allowed, just the ones of high-ranking officials. Sisko was the first officer, so it makes sense that his family was let live on the ship.
Situations like Riker's promotion to Captain and restoration to Commander do happen in the real world. If a captain of a ship is killed in combat (or otherwise incapacitated) the next officer to assume command is still referred to as skipper of the boat, regardless of rank. Even if that officer is an ensign or lieutenant, they provisionally hold the rank and authority equal to a captain.
Robert April need's more of a story and a show. He was the first captain of the enterprise after NX-01 and captain archer got to meet April on the day of the launch. One day later captain archer would die.
That's odd, I thought April commanded Enterprise for her first five year mission (ST-TAS) and then was promoted with Christopher Pike taking command for something like 10 years.
My ranking for captains 1. Picard - reason for Picard is just that he use his head and diplomacy he is not really giving up and always trying to find new solutions. -Since i didn't saw a new series of ST i don't know about Riker but sure he was my favorite First Officer. I mean you can't find better chemistry and balance between first and captain then Picard and Riker. 2.Janeway - reason mostly because i start with Voyager as of my first ST series and at very beginning i didn't know what to think of her she wasn't really sure how she should act but later she becomes a reason why Voyager was good and enjoyable experience, i thought i would never like a woman as captain but Janeway sure changes my mind in this area :D 3.Sisko - DS9 was a blast also because of him i like that he can really put in line some good use of a force when needed and he is not afraid to risk, captains before him where always diplomatic and Sisko let's say he was until enemy didn't really act like an asshole. 4. Kirk (Kelvin) : Ahhh hard to say i didn't really like him at start because he was just too crazy a very definition what captain should not be specially with his "fuck everything and lets jump right into it" type of personality but he changed and was ok.
This was outstanding! While, I have seen all the classic Star Trek shows which, aired on network TV. Can only remember the details of how they became either a Star Ship or Space Station Captain for a few. For example, the Deep Space Nine back story is special because the commander was passed over for a promotion to the rank of Captain and then sent to an "out of the way" posting that few in Star Fleet even carried about. However, after finding a stable "worm hole" and meeting an advanced alien race (the prophets) things changed.
Good question. So, I just went back and re-watched the first 15 minutes of the 1st episode and it appears he had everything needed to be promoted to Captain including commanding a star ship in battle against the Borg. With the loss of his wife however, he longer had that "command altitude" and continued to "blame"Captain Parcard, for the death of his wife (both which, according to Star Fleet standards showed that he was not yet ready for the higher rank of Captain).
Guess, when watching the pilot episode we each view it differently but, that is what makes for an excellent TV show. When alone on the Enterprise together, Captain Parcard says he wants Bajor added to the Federation. When Sisko asks, do you think it will happen? Captain Parcard's reply is, it is not clear because with their new independence old factions have started fighting each other again. Then Sisko states "Sounds like they are not ready".
Will Decker was also a captain of Enterprise before being demoted by Kirk and so was Robert April he was the FIRST captain of the 23rd century Enterprise.
How about Captain Stiles of the Excelsior? I have no doubt that he was relieved of his captaincy after Scotty disabled the Excelsior, but he technically WAS her first captain.
I suspect that Riker, as 'Acting Captain' was exercising positional authority normally in the wheelhouse of an Admiral just as Sisko did while 'commanding' a fleet of starships from USS Defiant with the rank of Captain.
He's right. According to the Autobiography of Jean-Luc Picard(author David Goodman "playing" the part), Jean-Luc did not become Captain of the USS Stargazer right away and became Captain Frank Mazzara's XO before Mazzara resigned from Starfleet taking his children with him.
Although that book has a few errors and liberties (mainly in the 2340s portion) so maybe take with a small pinch of salt. He also DID command the ship for 22 years, and it was lost 9 years before TNG, so the math DOES add up for him being ALMOST instantly the captain.
So, before on the Stargazer there was the possibility that Picard would have been Captain Garrett's first officer, until she pulled a Riker and turned it down, eventually getting the Enterpise C, and then Picard goes on to command the enterprise D...
@@JacobStJules I have to wonder though, if Garrett had taken the stargazer, is there a possibility that in a few years, Picard might have been given the Enterprise C? Or would Picard still end up with the Stargazer if Garrett went out the way that Captain Ruhalter did.
@@thesageofgames1871 maybe. But I think the lack of command experience and his age make me think he wouldn't have even been considered for command of the flagship. His over 20 years on the Stargazer and taking command in a pinch essentially molded his career. All-in-all my guess is he would have been too green to be offered the C.
@@thesageofgames1871 Hmm, source for this? I recall in the Stargazer books Admiral McAteer tries to give Garrett the Stargazer over Picard, but that clashes with other sources saying she'd made captain of the Enterprise-C the year before.
I don't remember the specific source saying Garrett was offered the Stargazer. Just that it was beta canon. Though clearly if she was already commanding the Ent-C before that, whomever wrote it made a miscalculation. That aside it is feasible that it could happen with the times being adjusted. By the time Ent-C was launched the Stargazer was likely 20-30 years old as her registry puts her commissioning around 5-10 years after the launch of the Excelsior. The Ent-C, however, if not for the legacy registry would have had her number likely in the 10,000's. As the Ambassador herself was NX-10250 or something like that. Also by that point utopia planitia was operational and churning out ships in droves.
Non-canon, but novel written by Voyager creators established Janeway commanded other vessel(s) before Voyager. That's how she met Tuvok, in fact - Starfleet assigned him to address a perceived shortfall in her performance, observance of tactical protocols or something... Did they say something else on-screen at a later point?
All the movies after nemesis and shows after enterprise are just fan fiction from people who never watched Star Trek. Jar Jar Abrams said he never watched it because he didn’t get it, and the rest is just ripped off of Tardigrades
@@quuaaarrrk8056 it is but i still love it because those were the first movies i watched (i'm 14 so i kinda grew up - and am still growing up lmao- with it)
@@schmilew1230 I'm 14 and these were my first Star Trek Movies too. I like them as movies, but after I've seen most of the shows and movies twice or more often, I really hate them as STAR TREK movies. I just think of it as normal Sci-Fi and like them, but they are bad ST movies IMO.
This was a great vid, but I can't help missing the ones you left out! Captain Sulu, for one. Plus, even though he never got to "Take her out", Decker was technically Enterprise Captain at the start of the Motion Picture, before Kirk got it away from him. The actor may have turned out not to be a great example of a human being, but the character would be great to see again. Plus, what about Robert April? Listed as the first ever Captain of the Enterprise, we only ever saw him in an episode of the Animated Series, but he still counts!
I *LOVED* this video but I am very confused by your selection process. You featured Captain Rachel Garrett who was featured as a captain for a single episode, but left off Captain Edward Jellico who was in command of the Enterprise D for two episodes? Awesome video but there's been a few gaps in these 'Every _______ reviewed' episodes and I'd love to see the selection process for who makes the cut
Kirk you bring to a fist fight. Janeway you bring to a battle. Sisko you bring to a war. Pichard you bring to end the war. Archer you bring to serve coffee.
"Captain" is both a Rank and a Position. One can be the captain of a ship and not hold the rank of Captain. Other positions (not ranks) include Science Officer, Chief of Engineering, and First Officer. The Star Fleet ranks mirror the naval ranks of today: Ensign (O-1), Lt. J.G (O-2), Lieutenant (O-3), Lieutenant Commander (O-4), Commander (O-5), Captain (O-6) and the 4 Flag (Admiral) ranks (5 if you count Fleet Admiral). It was correctly pointed out that there are many Captains (rank) who are not captains of ships, although each service, including Starfleet, that has a TO&E (Table of Organization and Equipment) that dictates how many Captains there can be and what their assignments are. If there are too many Captains, the promotion boards (committees) will limit promotions or a program is initiated to remove existing Captains. The Kelvin timeline is so ridiculous it is hard to discuss. In any timeline, there will already be scores or hundreds of Lieutenants, Lieutenant Commanders, and Commanders on a ship. A newly-graduated class of students from Starfleet Academy would never, ever, be allowed to take the Enterprise to the moon, let alone into combat, no matter how brilliant they were.
personally i would have liked to have seen a bit on Scotty and Sulu, whilst Scotty was a captain in rank only and never had any true Command duties but i guess it would have been nice, whilst Sulu he did command the Excelsior for a very important event in Star Trek history
Sulu, Jellico, Decker, Tilly, April, Hernandez, La Forge... part 2?
B expecting it. Won't call U OUT over Sulu. 4 now.
Kim, Nog and a few others from STO
Harry Kim
Harry Kim in new timeline. Original Harry Kim signed in his commission after losing all hands on voyager in original timeline, while skipping in the flyer with Chakotay. It was during their attempt to navigate the quantum skip tunnel they stole from the Borg. They were flung loose and phased into an ice planet.... Bodily.
Don't forget Capt Ransom of the Equinox (From Voyager series).
Sisko is the only one that really got the screen time devoted to becoming a captain.
And now, Captain M.Burnham and Captain Saru.
Riker? Kinda TNG Is his way to captain
Is siko the broad
Riker did as well. Saw him grow up all through the 1st Officer position up to Captain. And if you're into the extended lit universe, you get to see him rise up to Admiral...
You missed Captain Sulu.... Oh my!
You beat me to it.
There was a little nod to him, 0:09
@@upsidedown4155 nah, I want a highlight lol, maybe one on Decker too, I'm sure there's a book out there.
@@haloboy456 i get what ya saying, but considering its free its not a bad deal
Yeah they did didn't they
Sisko should have started as Captain and been promoted to Commodore. His responsibilities were to big for a mere Commander! Sisko was responsible for preparing Bajor for entry into the Federation, for containing the Maquis threat, for maintaining a fragile peace with the scheming Cardassians, for planning and coordinating the war effort against the Dominion, and more.
Commodore isn't a reank, it is the title of a position. A captain commanding a flotilla or group of ships. It's a temporary position for the duration of a mission.
@@DaveMiller2 Maybe in the U.S. Navy but this is Star Trek. In TOS there were several Commodores commanding starbases and in the episode "Doomsday Machine" a commodore commanded a single ship.
Sisko was in command of the Bajorian Sector as well as commanding Deep Space Nine. He would have been a Rear Admiral if not a full Admiral actually. Because of the area of his command. I have always believed the character of short changed in development.
@dave miller. Here are examples from TOS. Commodore Stone, Commander of StarBase 10, Commodore Jose Mendez, Commander of StarBase 12, Commodore George Stocker, Commodore Matthew Decker, Commanding Officer of the USS Constellation, Commodore Robert Wesley, Commanding the USS Lexington and a Task Force of 4 Starships (Lexington, Potemkin, Excalibur and Hood) From TNG... Vice Admiral Takamura, Commander of StarBase 173. Admiral Dexter Holt, Commander of Deep Space 3, Vice Admiral William Ross, Commander, Federation Forces Starbase 375. So Dave that is why I said Sisko got short changed.
@@DaveMiller2 Nope. The Starfleet officer rank system is based on the US Navy system where Commodore is a full-fledged military rank between Captain and Rear Admiral, that is assigned only during time of war. (Presumably, Commodore Decker from TOS is a holdover from a period of war. where he was promoted to that rank but had not since ascended to the admiralty.)
Picard not only smiled when stabbed through the heart...he laughed
In his own words, he "LOLed"
Janeway was always the boldest, most decisional, and deadliest person to occupy the center seat. She could negotiate with skill or kick some alien ass with equal aplomb. She gave little quarter all the while staying within Star Fleet Regulations.
Until Pike, Janeway was the only starship Captain that I would glady follow into a fire. She exuded leadership.
Dafaq you talking about? Janeway was unhinged, particularly in the last couple seasons and trampled on the prime directive more than once
Talk about "projection." Janeway was the best of all the captains. I can't count how many times Kirk ignored the prime directive. Well, I could, but I don't feel like it.@@tdog999100
i'd say sisko is the most lethal of the captains, he was willing to render a planet uninhabitable in order to fight the maquise and willing participated in the assassination of a romulan politician.
@@ExarchGamingSisko, (my favorite) is the one who I would be most worried to have really pissed off at me.
Captain Hikaru Sulu.
To quote the man himself “Are you kidding?”
Oh my!
“Ha....aaaaa....aaaaaa!”
No one actually told us how Sulu bevame captain in-universe
Captain of the excelsior
@@SantomPh he was captain of the excelsior in star trek v chasing Kirk and them after they stole 1701-A to find the God of shaka ree
How about Captain Crusher.... uhm I mean Captain Beverly Picard.
You forgot Sulu becoming Captain of Excelsior.
What about Gates ?
And H. Kim
@@aziizrocks Very good. This is way Star Wars will always play second fiddle to Star Trek.
Especially after the last 3 movies, that's why I don't like discovery and Picard as an another scifi action series.
Oh my!
How did they miss that one?
Riker and Sisko were Commanders for so Long cause they KNEW that IT IS the Most comfortable Rank in Starfleet..
Almost all the Power but only a Fraction of the responsibilities of the Captains Rank xD
Siskos promotion when his DS9 series began was long time coming. An personally I think by where he got where he was in the books post TV show he shoulda promoted to Admiral. Had to know during the Dominion War they was thinking about it. I would've if was them, he proved to be one the most experienced and best battle Captains they ever had
Sisko was at Lt. Commander though during Wolf 359 and his transfer to Utopia Planitia likely slowed down his development. But he was a single parent at the time and grieving the loss of his wife so being closer to home was probably what he needed. He didn't want to move Jake to Bajor and take command of DS9 though. But obviously that corresponds to his rank of full Commander and then we say his development from there.
Shit, they are the busiest position on the ship
Straight up, the commander in position is where all the action is
@@cymaddux3131 yeah along with everything else, they're in charge of Duty rosters
"EVERY" Captain? you missed SO MANY!
This is a really cool video idea!
Cool video idea as in the video is just an idea? Or as in you will make your own?
Hello there
Hi, I'm subbed
I'm an ex US Navy officer and I can tell you right now the easiest way to attain the rank of Captain is
............
join the Army.
Lmao! So true! Too bad most people won't get it because they don't know that in the US Air Force, Army or Marines, captain is a low rank, going from 2nd Lt., 1st Lt., and then CPT.
You swabbies make everything confusing by having CPT. as such a high rank, above commander and just below Rear Admiral (lower half). To hell with Naval tradition--a captain is an 0-3 not an 0-6! 😉
@@munstrumridcully No, you grunts, jarheads and grunts with wings confuse things badly by calling your O-3s 'Captain' when they are nothing of the sort. Captains are obviously highly experienced senior officers actually commanding independent units, usually with more firepower than anything your O-3s could command. 😉
@@robertf3479 Oh you squids are all alike! What are all those big guns overcompensating for? 😃
The only good naval style "Captains" are Captain Kirk and Captain Picard! Real captains salute majors! 😉
You guys are hillarious!😎😂
An Army-Captain MIGHT be intimmidated by a CSM (Command Sergeant Major), a Navy-Captain certainly not by a Master Chief Petty Officer.
Unless it's not the MCPON when he's a in company of his buddy the CNO ☆☆☆☆
Before Star Trek, Avery Brooks played a character called Hawk on Robert Urich's Spensor for hire, and a short lived spin off called 'A man called Hawk.' That is where the bad ass bald head came from.Hawk had the bald head and goatee which made him look like a tough dude. Brooks grew his hair back specifically for the DS9.
The executives didn't want him to keep the shaved head as they thought he'd look too much like Hawk.
@@MicahSps by season 4, someone saw the stupidity of that. They finally let Avery Brooks go with his Hawk look.
@@BrotherDerrick3X plus the next generation was still going so chances are that they would not want two captains with no hair
@@chrismurray1084 would that be about his bald being better-looking? Because it is.
@@KiraBKADestroyerOfWorlds It most certainly would be
An "autobiography" about Picard explains many of the details of his life during and after the Stargazer years. It's a really good book and I highly recommend it to any fan.
Can I just say... I love the way Marcus Bronzy presents his episodes of TrekCulture 👍
Btw, it wasn't just Kelvin Kirk that beat the Kobayashi Maru by reprogramming the test, Original Kirk did it as well, albeit on his third attempt.
And he didn't do it by sleeping with an Orion computer programmer, either.
Scotty crashed the Kobiyashi Maru program. I guess that means he beat it.
Who is kelvin kirk
@@carolheaden Kirk in the alternate (kelvin) timeline, the one in the new movies
Sadly though in The Kelvin Timeline they were far more strict about it and he was punished for it
Captain Kathryn Janeway: Energize!
Me: My day is done!
Perhaps, but no-one says 'battle stations!' like captain Sisko.
Benjamin Sisko had the most difficult senior staff. Call me crazy, but I LOVED Captain Edward Jellico (Ronny Cox) no nonsense direct command style that shook the senior staff out of Picard complacency.
Good! He was a dick to Picard.
@@williamalfonso1373 *Picard is good, but he is VERY overrated from using his top talent.* Picard was meeting the officer who could make his dream come true of Bajor's Starfleet admission. Why not ask Data: "Tell me EVERYTHING about Ben Sisko"?
Jellico was a moron, Ronny Cox did an excellent job of portraying the typical arrogant commander that usually gets everyone killed - But that scenario is nothing new, there are always plenty of 'outside' captains and admirals who turn up from time to time to play the idiots in order to make the main characters look smart.
It does beg the question though as to where Starfleet manages to find all these moronic admirals/captains and how did they become an admiral/captain in the first place given the strict criteria of Starfleet??!
my god he was great
Jellico strikes me as a very capable military commander. Possibly my favourite captain in Star Trek. And he was totally right in finally demanding that Troi wear a uniform while on duty.
There's more to add for Janeway, with the Janeway Autobiography book. It is a good read. Not her fault 3 crewmen were injured.
You forgot to mention Captain Sulu who assisted Captain Kirk destroy a new version of the Klingon Warbird that could attack while still cloaked.
Sam Beckett became Jonathan Archer; Enterprise was one of the best multi-part episodes of Quantum Leap.
Oh boy...
Well, so that’s why Sam never came back home…
😁
What you have to remember that just as in the real Navy (upon which Star Trek’s rank system is based), there is the RANK of CAPTAIN and the POSITION of CAPTAIN. The rank itself is a higher rank but it doesn’t guarantee that you will achieve the CAPTAINCY of a vessel or station or outpost. Another term for CAPTAIN (referring to the POSITION not the RANK), is COMMANDING OFFICER (or C.O.). So you can be a CAPTAIN-COMMANDING OFFICER but NOT hold the RANK of CAPTAIN. This happens all the time in the Navy. You often see a Lieutenant Commander serving as a CAPTAIN (the POSITION) of a smaller vessel or non-capital ship or even a shore facility like a Frigate or an Supply Ship or a small base. One example of this (and the only Star Trek CAPTAIN of a ship or facility who wasn’t a CAPTAIN in rank is Benjamin Sisko). Later he is promoted to CAPTAIN in rank, but before that he was only a COMMANDER (one rank lower) but still the COMMANDING OFFICER of DS9 and the Defiant as he held the rank of Commander.. Most of the time DS9 avoids confusing the viewers by rarely referring to him as the “Captain of DS9” in position, which he TECHNICALLY he was as its Commanding Officer. They refer to him as “Commander Sisko” until he gets his promotion to Captain (in rank), though he already was a “Captain”. I can understand why they would avoid calling Sisko a “Captain” before he achieved the rank to avoid confusion (though I think they should have started him off as a Captain in the first place...). Are there Captains that are NOT commanding officers of a vessel or ship? Absolutely! In the Navy these officers are normally taken off of any ships and placed on shore facilities as an attaché (assistant) to an Admiral. You see this once or twice in TNG BUT they don’t talk much about it.
Its also a military tradition that if you not a full general-L, you re still addressed as general. The same also goes for admirals
There was one episode during the Dominion War where Dax was in command of the Defiant. O’Brian told Nog that even though Dax didn’t hold the rank of Captain, she should be called Captain because she was in command of the ship.
Captain Picard had a painting of a space station in his quarters. Considering there’s a painting of the Enterprise D and a model of the Stargazer in his ready room, I think the show runners wanted to hint that Picard may have been in command of that space station at some point. It would have been a good way to explain what he did in the nine years between the Stargazer and the Enterprise.
*Captain Montgomery Scott,* was still serving as the *Chief Engineer* of the U.S.S. Enterprise, when he received his *promotion to Captain of Engineers.*
His rank is captain and his position ist engineer. so the rank ist not ever the same the position. A position of the captain can be a commander...the rank: commanding officer commander xy or Lt.Cdr
Wait. Captain Garrett was born in Indiana like Captain Janeway? So between Garrett, Janeway, and Kirk, we've so far had a three country folks as starship captains, which is just AWESOME!! (not to include Dr. McCoy, as we don't know exactly what went on for him in the time between Generations and the TNG episode "Encounter at Farpoint" where he's an Admiral)
You could probably make this list entirely with the OG Kirk and how many times he's been reinstated/demoted/promoted to captain :D
Failing Upwards: A Captain Kirk Story
Throw in the Kelvin Timeline too, just to show that how no matter how history gets screwed with, it's a constant.
It would be a very different sort of list if you did that.
Because instead of being the list of every captain, it would just be the list of all the promotions, demotions and reinstatements of Captain Kirk.
The list goes on and on. ^___^
I suppose there is probably enough for at least a good 10 to 12 minutes (or maybe more minutes) just from that list.
The illustrious career of the captain with the most promotions, demotions and reinstatements in Starfleet history.
That would indeed make an interesting list.
Not really. Captain Kirk was promoted to Admiral once, then demoted once. Both for perfectly good reasons.
This lore dive was dope! Love more stuff like this.
I'm sure that Prime Spock played a part in Kelvin Kirk getting promoted to Captain...
How? Other than a motivating speech
That and the fact that he was Pike’s personal protege. I mean the guy was being groomed to be captain and not only devastated every challenge put to him but did it in record time and then saved the earth for good measure.
Janeway rules in my book despite flaws.
The Flaws were mostly in the writers.
Jose Molina tedious didn’t mean her acting or anything. Yes, it’s the writing
Janeway is a great Captain, but 7 of 9 is just great to look at.
Janeway's flaws humanized her which made her a great captain. She's in my top three.
@@wearemikej she’s in my top two
Everyone here is complaining about the lack of Sulu, while I’m sitting here thinking about my man Captain Decker.
Great video, man, it was really interesting hearing about all the different captain’s backgrounds. I always felt bad for Harriman, always thought Generations did him cheap, though, Generations did everyone cheap.
My favorite Captain is probably Archer, I always loved the feel of Enterprise really getting out there and exploring unknown space. Sure, Archer said “We’re new at this” and “We’re new in this neighborhood “ and “We’re just exploring” a bit too many times in the first two seasons, but I still love him and the crew of Enterprise NX-01 all the same.
Oh my, that was truncated list. Capt Beverly Picard? Capt Geordie La Forge? Capt Harry Kim?
Poor Harry, Tom was promoted twice and he had nothing.
Those were alternative universes, kinda hard to figure out how they got there without anything wilritten about it before hand
What about Captain EMH?
They included Kelvin Kirk, why not alt crusher, Kim etc
Captain Decker?
Captain Sulu?
Captain April?
Captain Scotty? (I know the video mentioned it, but not *how* he became captain)
Dr. McCoy was an admiral in the TNG pilot, so he must have been captain at some point!
Captain Harriman obviously hadn't paid close attention when researching the history of ships named 'Enterprise.' Ships carrying that name often end up in the middle of the storm when the manure hits the high speed blower. 'The torpedoes and medical staff don't arrive until Tuesday,' Kirk just rolls his eyes.
lol right
😂 do you mean when the shit hits the fan???
Picard's Face Palm & Janeway's Death Glare are just Iconic 😀😉
Mwaaaaa "Energize". cannot hear that again without thinking of you 😁😂
When I think of the most iconic Janeway-ism, I always think
"Take us out!"
Picard is of course the "Picard Manoeuvre" (pulling his tunic down)
Sisko was only Sisko when bald ;-)
@@RubberStig There is coffee in this Nebula 😁😋
You forgot Captain Jellico. He replaced Picard during the events of "Chain of Command" in season 6 of TNG.
Right, but...nobody cares about him.
@@KiraBKADestroyerOfWorlds
There are far too many fans on him than you realize, so to say "no one", isn't exactly accurate.
What about Kelsey Grammer's character, Captain Morgan Bateson (in STTNG) of the Soyuz class U.S.S Bozeman?
Well....he's a Britt....so he probably knows very little about Tossed Salads and Scrambled Eggs !!!!!!!.........lol
A fact you may know, Bozeman is an homage to birthplace of producer Brannon Braga. His AIM handle used to be Boze65 or something.
Or the captain of the Saratoga in The Voyage Home, or Erika Hernandez of Colombia NX-02, or Hikaru Sulu of Excelsior. This video is missing a lot.
@@themelligator And here I was thinking it was named so because First Contact with the Vulcans happened in Bozeman, Montana.
You missed Captain Decker, Captain of the refitted Enterprise before Kirk reduced him to Commander when he “stole” the command from him
To quote Wharf in a DS9 episode - We have lots of Captains, but few ships.
A favorite of mine is Captain Ben Maxwell from the NextGen episode "The Wounded."
Me too
I liked him better as Ethan Kanin in 24.
Anything Capt. Janeway says is just something else hah! She's my favorite captain. Love it! Thanks for this.
I thought I was the only one. I see lots of hate or dislike or disrespect in comments and plenty of lists
batgurrl haters gonna hate I guess, our Captain’s got a lot of fans! Ignore the haters. Gene Roddenberry’s hope for the future is all about getting past that kind of behavior.
icycream1406 so true. I also think there’s plenty of misogyny going on. Seven was hot but not in charge so they love her.
She was the only captain out there all alone with no help from the federation.
Hardest job of all🖖
batgurrl preach gurl! That’s why I love her, she stayed strong for her crew. And was a respected leader while maintaining her femininity. They were alone in that quadrant and they really became a bonded family by the end of it which is great.
@@icycream1406 And her autobiography book, by Brad Goodman, is also out soon...
Captain Sulu: "Do I mean nothing to you?!"
Also Captain Suru
Also about 20 other captains they missed sadly
Good video, but you missed that Kirk was also demoted to Captain from Admiral in Star Trek IV.
Yeah, I know, I'm pedantic.....
no no your not pedantic at all, pedantic would be 'you said every captain in star trek but only mentioned federation captains' lol :)
No one was ever happier to be demoted than Kirk!
First female captain of an Enterprise was actually Captain Demora Sulu, taking command of NCC-1701-B from Captain Harriman around 2311. And Picard was officially promoted to captain after the mission where he took over the Stargazer after Captain Ruhalter was killed and the XO was severely wounded and the XO later attempted a mutiny against Picard.
I like when Suru becomes acting captain he has the computer tell him the strengths of al the best captains and archer was on the list. Enterprise is my fave so far :)
Who's Suru ? Saru or Sulu ?
@@johncunningham4820 saru* my bad 😁
@@Damnsaburna . Thought so . I liked Saru as well .
@@johncunningham4820 I can’t wait to see the Kelpians in discovery new season
I just imagine the looks Archer gets at the Captain's Table.
Kirk: I had a hard climb up the ranks against the odds.
Pike: I was first officer to my distinguished predecessor.
Picard: I took command when the entirety of the command staff were killed in the first shot of a battle.
Archer: I stole the prototype and my dad built the engine.
Others: *Facepalm* Dammnit Johnny!
I actually think it was a lot harder on Archer than any of the others after he became Captain (rather than in getting to Captain). Not only did he not have any accumulated mission logs or previous examples from other Captains throughout history to learn from, but his was the first and only Starfleet vessel at the time setting out to explore the vast and cold blackness of space. They had to find their way, make contact with unknown species and chart completely new territory completely alone. There wasn’t an entire fleet of other ships to call for help if you needed it. It would have been a daunting prospect to say the least, but Archer and crew were more than up for it.
@@YS-ep7zw Sure and I'll admit he had some good ideas like loosening up the chain of command on long range missions and the beginnings of what would become the Prime Directive but at the same time there is such a thing as being too casual when you are in command of a 150 meter long tin can with an anti matter engine loaded to the brim with nukes.
Honestly, a question I never asked, but I damn well want to know the answer
William Windom as Commodore Matt Decker in "The Doomsday Machine" Playing with the disks in his hand in Kirk's chair after he took Command of Enterprise. Priceless.
Bogart's Queeg - 'The Caine Mutiny' (1954).
@@markreeter6227 Yes. Never thought of thar until now. Great comparison.
How many ads do you want on this video? I'm not even half way through and there have been 6. It's making it hard to watch with all the interuptions.
get an adblocker then, i dont see any!
@@MrAndroidData yeah i have that on my computer but i'm watching from my phone. I don't mind ads (they've got to make money somehow), just when there are a large number of them and they are long.
Just pretend you're going to warp speed when pressing the "Skip Ad" button for each ad......during the 5 seconds you have to wait for the button to show up, make the warp drive powering up sound: *_"doooooooooOOOOOOOHHHH, PTEEEWW!!!"_*
That's why you need to upgrade to get You Tube commercial free.
Thank you I keep getting the same ad asking do you approve of tRUMP. I'm over here like if I didn't approve of his ass one minute ago wtf makes you think watching another minute of a Trek Culture video is going to change my mind?
Great video! One minor addendum, Kirk commanded a second 5 year mission after the V’Ger incident where Spock returned to being Exec & Sci officer. Before people comment saying that’s not on screen canon... nor is half of this awesome countdown!
And at least thus was not the JJ timeline!
Correct - There was a second five-year mission under Kirk. Non-canon is that when Admiral Kirk felt time for a change (choosing to be closer to the Academy than to Operations as in his previous desk job) he pushed for Spock to become Captain. Spock said he would take the job as a teaching position only.
As recently documented in the novel The Higher Frontier, yes, Robert.
What about Sulu? He went off and become captain of the Excelsior.
Or are you saving that for his spin-off show?
TrekCulture: Here are some you have missed: Captain Robert T. April / Captain Garrovick / Captain Matt Decker / Captain Will Decker / Captain Hikaru Sulu / Captain Styles / Captain Edward Jellico / Captain Benjamin Maxwell / Captain Erik Pressman / Captain Silva La Forge / Captain Zimbata / Captain Robert DeSoto / Captain Leyton / Captain Tim Watters / Captain Solok / Captain Nog (In an alternate timeline 2422) / Captain Rudolph "Rudy" Ransom / Captain Harry Kim (In an alternate 25th century timeline) / Captain Michael Burnham (Mirror universe) / Captain Sylvia Tilly (Captain Killy (Mirror universe)) / Captain Beverly Picard (In an alternate future, Beverly had been promoted to captain and was commanding the medical ship USS Pasteur) / Captain Geordi La Forge (In another alternate timeline, La Forge had been promoted to the rank of captain by 2390 and was in command of the Galaxy-class USS Challenger. In that year, he pursued Chakotay, Harry Kim, Tessa Omond and The Doctor in a stolen Delta Flyer to the Takara sector in an attempt to stop them from changing history by preventing the destruction of the USS Voyager fifteen years earlier. (VOY: "Timeless")) / Captain ______ Madge Sinclair played an unknown (Saratoga Captain (uncredited)), in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) / Captain Joel Randolph (Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home) / Captain Clark Terrell (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan). I don't think you need to worry about George Kirk and Saru, because they were only acting Captains. I take you were only interested in Starfleet captains, so i didn't include the others. I'm sure you know other races have captains too such as the Klingons, the Romulans, the Vulcans, and the Cardassians etc. etc..
I love inter Trekkie "fights"! : )
Deep space nine was one of my favorite series. Just seeing the upgrades starfleet had to implement as a result of the Dominion war. As a result of the loss of the USS Odyssey. The Defiant was amazing. And Captain Sisko was one of the best captains in my opinion.
12:51 that is a BEAUTIFUL transition cut.
The promotion of Pine's Kirk to captain within a few days after graduation is one of the most unforgiveably silly ideas I've ever heard. JJ Abrams is a buffoon. Don't get me started on the dagger idea from Rise of Skywalker. But this is just two of countless absurdities from Abrams.
It's hardly that unforgivable and silly, Starfleet lost basically an entire graduating class, not to mention how many older officers in the fleet at Vulcan. It is not unlikely at all that they would have promoted Kirk given he not only saved the day but also showed that he was able to do the job. Besides, the whole point of Kirk being unready for command was addressed in the second movie literally as a story point that they promoted him too fast in the moment without thinking about long term.
@@CaptainPikeachu It is ENTIRELY unforgiveble and silly. There couldn't have been all that many senior officers at Vulcan, the primary fleet was out of range remember? And the loss of most of a graduating class results in very few candidates for captain? So let's jump an ensign over FOUR ranks to captain. Seriously? How is it that ONE smashingly successful mission is solid evidence that all we'll ever see from this exam-cheating former juvenile delinquent is success after success? How is it not seen as flukishly good luck? It would in OUR universe.
@@CaptainPikeachu "ot to mention how many older officers in the fleet at Vulcan."
Not all that many, really. The entire reason for sending ships full of cadets on the rescue mission is that the bulk of the fleet is elsewehre at the time (the Laurentian system, I think), meaning the vast majority of Starfleets personnel survived the movie. Promoting a cadet to Captain, rather than a Commander from that large pool of people, is pretty stupid.
My great uncle found himself promoted to Colonel (Full bird) at the age of 25. Granted it was WWII and basically all the others were shot down, but sometimes surviving is a good thing.
@@markaaron9957 James T. Kirk is a Gary Lou. (Male Mary Sue)
Rachel Garrett was not the only female captain of an Enterprise. Beverly Crusher was given temporary command of the Enterprise D. Picard even refered to her as Captain when she took temporary command of the ship during a Borg incident.
Also Deanna Troi - though she was only acting (pun intended!).
No Captain Sulu? I'm surprised you didn't resort to the _"Sisko is a badass"_ meme; by pointing out his ship is shaped like the back of his hand!
It would have been funny to sneak a picture of Q at the end of the picture of all the captains.
"That's Captain Q to you young man!"
Thank you for working hard to give us fans a insightful look at the many interesting Captain characters in Star Trek. I always know I will enjoy the from TrekCulture My you live long and prosper. Maybe you could do an insightful look at what you think makes a Captain a great one from top to bottom.
Just watching this has made me want to rewatch all Trek, love it.
I’m re watching ds9
They wanted to replace Commander Riker with his double in the episode "Second Chances". When i read that recently, i thought it was interesting! Thank you for this video! I really loved it!
Would have liked to have heard (more) about:
Captain Montgomery Scott.
Captain Hikaru Sulu (USS Excelsior)
Captain Beverley Crusher (USS Pasteur)
Captain Morgan (lol) Bateson (USS Bozeman)
Captain Harry Kim (USS Rhode Island)
Captain Jeordi LaForge (USS Challenger)
Captain Rudolph Ransom (USS Equinox)
Captain Erika Hernandez (Columbia NX-02)
Captain Donald Varley (USS Yamato)
I like your list. Captain Donald Varley of the Yamato and Captain Declan Keogh of the Odyssey would be interesting topics as they are among the first cadre of captains on galaxy class vessels.
What about Will Decker from the first Star Trek movie? He was captain before Admiral Kirk took back the captain's chair.
Kirk captain of 1701 when an commodore decker toke command of ship away from spock remember that show
Will Decker, the refitted Enterprise Captain in ST: the Motion Picture was supposed to be the son of Commodore Matt Decker from the TOS episode “The Doomsday Machine”
What about Hikaru Sulu, Demora Sulu (later) Montgomery Scott (shame about his nephew Peter Preston), Matt Decker, Willard Decker, Benjamin Maxwell, Phillipa Louvois, Silva La Forge, Tryla Scott, Morgan Bateson, Randolph Ransom, Rixx & Styles?
Daring putting both Kirk's down the list. Love your questioning!
Never realized it was called the Kelvin timeline due to the ship being named the Kelvin. I had thought it was due to them having Kelvin class tech from the start rather than in main Trek where Kelvin class ships and tech only show up at the very end during the dominion war. Before that point no one in the Alpha Quadrant had a capital sized ship.
When you say "every captain" do you mean captains like John "C U Next Tuesday" Harriman or Charlie Reynolds? What about Captain Proton?
This gon' be a big-ass list.
Commander Proton was promoted to Captain after saving two buxom slave girls from Planet X.
Charlie has been in tight spots before. He'll make it.
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But he never did know when to quit.
Captain Proton could be a spin-off series.
No, the list is very short. There *_IS_* only *"ONE"* Captain in Star Trek and that is Captain Kirk _(as portrayed by William Shatner)_ .......so-called captains like Picard, Sisko and Janeway get pissed on from a very great height by Captain Kirk; so high that they think it must be raining except the rain is warm and tastes funny so they pull out their tricorders and determine that the rain is actually piss, specifically that of Captain Kirk. Those so-called captains are career Starfleet officers that followed the rule book and regulations to get to their position; with Captain Kirk, it was fate, destiny, the alignment of the stars, out-of-the-box thinking, and sheer badassery.
What a lot of information you found... fascinating!
I agree you missed Sulu... anyone else?
PS glad you mentioned the "alternative timeline of Kirk etc." I thought that one had messed up the entire future history of the Star Trek universe and changed everything.
1) if pike was made first office of the enterprise he was the second captain not the first.
2) Picard laughed when the nosican stabbed him, he didn't just smile.
Yes he was the first Captn was Robert April.
Yeah Robert April has always been cannonically the first Captain of the Enterprise. It is just not as well known because I believe it is covered in the originally cancelled pilot episode of Star Trek, The Cage. Then later revealed when that episode was released. Something along those lines.
@@anthonygonzalez2897 right. I remember somewhere someone mentioned captain April. Might have been pike or Kirk.
You are making the mistake of confusing Captain, a rank, with Commanding Officer, (CO), a billet. Not all Captains are COs and not all COs are Captains. For smaller Commands in the US Navy the CO is often a billet for a Commander. Likewise there are TWO Captains aboard an American aircraft carrier, the CO of the ship and the Commander-Air Group, or CAG. Obviously the CAG is subordinate to the CO, but this is only applicable when the Air Group is actually deployed to the ship. An Air Group is composed of several squadrons of varying types of aircraft and each squadron is a distinct Command with it's own CO, usually one holding the rank of Commander.
This is how Benjamin Sisko was appointed as CO of a commandeered Cardassian space station in adjacent to the planet Bajor while holding the rank of Commander. It's because the position was a billet for a commander.
15:04 I never thought about it much before but why were so many families onboard such a small ship as the USS Saratoga? Especially knowing it was headed to intercept a Borg cube.
It's not like anyone knew the Borg were coming in time for the families to get shipped away...
Vuoto Pneumatico Non Non Regardless if there was time or not I thought one of the big new features of the Galaxy class starship was that it was large enough to allow for families to travel with the crew. The implication being that it didn’t happen before that class, especially not on a small ship like a Miranda-class vessel.
@@skyserf maybe not all families were allowed, just the ones of high-ranking officials. Sisko was the first officer, so it makes sense that his family was let live on the ship.
Vuoto Pneumatico Non Non Perhaps, but it was never mentioned before or again.
@@skyserf I don't think anyone's gonna officially address that ever, so this explanation is as good as any
Situations like Riker's promotion to Captain and restoration to Commander do happen in the real world. If a captain of a ship is killed in combat (or otherwise incapacitated) the next officer to assume command is still referred to as skipper of the boat, regardless of rank. Even if that officer is an ensign or lieutenant, they provisionally hold the rank and authority equal to a captain.
Robert April need's more of a story and a show. He was the first captain of the enterprise after NX-01 and captain archer got to meet April on the day of the launch. One day later captain archer would die.
Bless you!
That's odd, I thought April commanded Enterprise for her first five year mission (ST-TAS) and then was promoted with Christopher Pike taking command for something like 10 years.
@@robertf3479 Correct.
@@robertf3479 yeah that's correct. I was saying he was the next captain after archer.
@@67tr876 My apologies, I misread / misunderstood your comment. For some reason I read it as APRIL dying one day after NCC-1701 launched.
My ranking for captains
1. Picard - reason for Picard is just that he use his head and diplomacy he is not really giving up and always trying to find new solutions.
-Since i didn't saw a new series of ST i don't know about Riker but sure he was my favorite First Officer. I mean you can't find better chemistry and balance between first and captain then Picard and Riker.
2.Janeway - reason mostly because i start with Voyager as of my first ST series and at very beginning i didn't know what to think of her she wasn't really sure how she should act but later she becomes a reason why Voyager was good and enjoyable experience, i thought i would never like a woman as captain but Janeway sure changes my mind in this area :D
3.Sisko - DS9 was a blast also because of him i like that he can really put in line some good use of a force when needed and he is not afraid to risk, captains before him where always diplomatic and Sisko let's say he was until enemy didn't really act like an asshole.
4. Kirk (Kelvin) : Ahhh hard to say i didn't really like him at start because he was just too crazy a very definition what captain should not be specially with his "fuck everything and lets jump right into it" type of personality but he changed and was ok.
This was outstanding! While, I have seen all the classic Star Trek shows which, aired on network TV. Can only remember the details of how they became either a Star Ship or Space Station Captain for a few. For example, the Deep Space Nine back story is special because the commander was passed over for a promotion to the rank of Captain and then sent to an "out of the way" posting that few in Star Fleet even carried about. However, after finding a stable "worm hole" and meeting an advanced alien race (the prophets) things changed.
Was he passed over for Captain or just not enough experience yet as Commander?
Good question. So, I just went back and re-watched the first 15 minutes of the 1st episode and it appears he had everything needed to be promoted to Captain including commanding a star ship in battle against the Borg. With the loss of his wife however, he longer had that "command altitude" and continued to "blame"Captain Parcard, for the death of his wife (both which, according to Star Fleet standards showed that he was not yet ready for the higher rank of Captain).
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Yet ready for helping Bajor into the Federation?
Guess, when watching the pilot episode we each view it differently but, that is what makes for an excellent TV show. When alone on the Enterprise together, Captain Parcard says he wants Bajor added to the Federation. When Sisko asks, do you think it will happen? Captain Parcard's reply is, it is not clear because with their new independence old factions have started fighting each other again. Then Sisko states "Sounds like they are not ready".
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Will Decker was also a captain of Enterprise before being demoted by Kirk and so was Robert April he was the FIRST captain of the 23rd century Enterprise.
How about Captain Stiles of the Excelsior? I have no doubt that he was relieved of his captaincy after Scotty disabled the Excelsior, but he technically WAS her first captain.
Up your shaft stiles
I love your antique film filter the squiggly lines random black dots and cigarette burns. Beautiful.
Riker also took command of the USS Zheng He (in the last episode of Season 1 of Star Trek:Picard)
I suspect that Riker, as 'Acting Captain' was exercising positional authority normally in the wheelhouse of an Admiral just as Sisko did while 'commanding' a fleet of starships from USS Defiant with the rank of Captain.
Kirk and Sisko are my favorite Captains. True leaders.
Didn't La Forge end up as a captain as well? Or does it not count due to being part of that voyager time travel thingy.
J Ad It’s only in that alternate timeline and in Beta canon(the novel “Indistinguishable from Magic”) that he gets his own ship, the Challenger.
Yeah, doesn't count. And being dependant on that visor Thingy, would be a strike against ya at the promotions Board. Darn.
@@michaelgarwood7076 you'd think that if it doesn't disqualify you from running a warp reactor, running the ship shouldn't be an issue
@@michaelgarwood7076 hey, didn't they upgrade his visor into ocular implants? First contact.
Okay, This turned out to be a much better video than I expected it to be. Very well done.
Once again Sisko should have been a Commodore
He's right. According to the Autobiography of Jean-Luc Picard(author David Goodman "playing" the part), Jean-Luc did not become Captain of the USS Stargazer right away and became Captain Frank Mazzara's XO before Mazzara resigned from Starfleet taking his children with him.
Although that book has a few errors and liberties (mainly in the 2340s portion) so maybe take with a small pinch of salt. He also DID command the ship for 22 years, and it was lost 9 years before TNG, so the math DOES add up for him being ALMOST instantly the captain.
How every captain became captain...
Sulu: Am I a joke to you?
Well yeah.. actually you are Sulu.
The new "Gay Sulu" is.
@@Munataaa Agreed...Nero changing the timeline wouldn't have changed Sulu's sexuality.
I read this in Takei's voice in my mind.
@@les4767 he was never explicitly straight in TOS, he isn't explicitly gay in the Kelvin movies either. Bisesxual people exist, so STFU.
Captain Sulu? Shows how much I miss not having time to watch tv. Thanks. Loved the update.
He got promoted towards the end of the original series movies.
Damn good idea for an article 😎
I need to shake the hand of whoever came up with this
I don't recall there being any indication that OG Lorca was transported to the Mirror Universe, only that MR Lorca was transported to ours.
So, before on the Stargazer there was the possibility that Picard would have been Captain Garrett's first officer, until she pulled a Riker and turned it down, eventually getting the Enterpise C, and then Picard goes on to command the enterprise D...
This blew my mind! I had NO idea she was offered the Stargazer.
@@JacobStJules I have to wonder though, if Garrett had taken the stargazer, is there a possibility that in a few years, Picard might have been given the Enterprise C? Or would Picard still end up with the Stargazer if Garrett went out the way that Captain Ruhalter did.
@@thesageofgames1871 maybe. But I think the lack of command experience and his age make me think he wouldn't have even been considered for command of the flagship. His over 20 years on the Stargazer and taking command in a pinch essentially molded his career. All-in-all my guess is he would have been too green to be offered the C.
@@thesageofgames1871 Hmm, source for this?
I recall in the Stargazer books Admiral McAteer tries to give Garrett the Stargazer over Picard, but that clashes with other sources saying she'd made captain of the Enterprise-C the year before.
I don't remember the specific source saying Garrett was offered the Stargazer. Just that it was beta canon. Though clearly if she was already commanding the Ent-C before that, whomever wrote it made a miscalculation. That aside it is feasible that it could happen with the times being adjusted. By the time Ent-C was launched the Stargazer was likely 20-30 years old as her registry puts her commissioning around 5-10 years after the launch of the Excelsior. The Ent-C, however, if not for the legacy registry would have had her number likely in the 10,000's. As the Ambassador herself was NX-10250 or something like that. Also by that point utopia planitia was operational and churning out ships in droves.
Non-canon, but novel written by Voyager creators established Janeway commanded other vessel(s) before Voyager. That's how she met Tuvok, in fact - Starfleet assigned him to address a perceived shortfall in her performance, observance of tactical protocols or something...
Did they say something else on-screen at a later point?
I love the fact that this fella craps on the Kelvin universe
That is obvious. The Kelvin universe IS crap.
All the movies after nemesis and shows after enterprise are just fan fiction from people who never watched Star Trek. Jar Jar Abrams said he never watched it because he didn’t get it, and the rest is just ripped off of Tardigrades
@@quuaaarrrk8056 it is but i still love it because those were the first movies i watched (i'm 14 so i kinda grew up - and am still growing up lmao- with it)
@@schmilew1230 I'm 14 and these were my first Star Trek Movies too. I like them as movies, but after I've seen most of the shows and movies twice or more often, I really hate them as STAR TREK movies. I just think of it as normal Sci-Fi and like them, but they are bad ST movies IMO.
@@quuaaarrrk8056 i totally agree with what you are saying
they are great movies but they just don't feel like star trek
This was a great vid, but I can't help missing the ones you left out! Captain Sulu, for one. Plus, even though he never got to "Take her out", Decker was technically Enterprise Captain at the start of the Motion Picture, before Kirk got it away from him. The actor may have turned out not to be a great example of a human being, but the character would be great to see again.
Plus, what about Robert April? Listed as the first ever Captain of the Enterprise, we only ever saw him in an episode of the Animated Series, but he still counts!
Don’t forget erzi Dax getting the adventine!!
Brilliant. I love your inflexion in your voice. You make a perfect narrator.
Trevor Noah really knows his Star Trek! 🙌🏻
I *LOVED* this video but I am very confused by your selection process. You featured Captain Rachel Garrett who was featured as a captain for a single episode, but left off Captain Edward Jellico who was in command of the Enterprise D for two episodes? Awesome video but there's been a few gaps in these 'Every _______ reviewed' episodes and I'd love to see the selection process for who makes the cut
"They nicked the ship" - typical British slang... ;-)
Kirk you bring to a fist fight.
Janeway you bring to a battle.
Sisko you bring to a war.
Pichard you bring to end the war.
Archer you bring to serve coffee.
Oh so true!!! 😂😂😂
Archer could serve coffee at the end of war negotiations.
This will be fun and educational!
"Captain" is both a Rank and a Position. One can be the captain of a ship and not hold the rank of Captain. Other positions (not ranks) include Science Officer, Chief of Engineering, and First Officer. The Star Fleet ranks mirror the naval ranks of today: Ensign (O-1), Lt. J.G (O-2), Lieutenant (O-3), Lieutenant Commander (O-4), Commander (O-5), Captain (O-6) and the 4 Flag (Admiral) ranks (5 if you count Fleet Admiral). It was correctly pointed out that there are many Captains (rank) who are not captains of ships, although each service, including Starfleet, that has a TO&E (Table of Organization and Equipment) that dictates how many Captains there can be and what their assignments are. If there are too many Captains, the promotion boards (committees) will limit promotions or a program is initiated to remove existing Captains. The Kelvin timeline is so ridiculous it is hard to discuss. In any timeline, there will already be scores or hundreds of Lieutenants, Lieutenant Commanders, and Commanders on a ship. A newly-graduated class of students from Starfleet Academy would never, ever, be allowed to take the Enterprise to the moon, let alone into combat, no matter how brilliant they were.
I love Janeway, she's my favorite villain
personally i would have liked to have seen a bit on Scotty and Sulu, whilst Scotty was a captain in rank only and never had any true Command duties but i guess it would have been nice, whilst Sulu he did command the Excelsior for a very important event in Star Trek history