Kedarie would have been 21 this year. He barely got to live. This is so heart wrenching, he would have been the same age as me. My heart goes out to his family, I can't imagine how difficult this must have been
and such a tough life right from the beginning , such a cruel painful way to pass. His/Her life was a constant battle right until the end. He/She didnt deserve anything that they went through x
@@abbigail3311 it's really sweet how you tried to use both of his sets of pronouns, but I don't know any genderfluid/genderqueer people who use he/she at the same time, it's usually just alternating between them. (eg, he and I had a great time together, she's always been a great friend to me) In Kedarie's case, it seemed more dependent on the day. Hope this helps?
He was just a baby. Barely starting his life. He was killed just because he was brave enough to be his true self, even at 16 yrs old. How could anyone look at his sweet kind face and wish him harm? He seemed like such a beautiful soul. R.I.P Kadarie/Kandice. You deserved better.
@@abbigail3311 The best way is to alternate, when you don't know which pronouns are proper at that time. "She was so young. He didn't deserve what happened to him. I hope that, wherever she is, she's at peace now."
@Nonaya Bidness no offense but that sounds like your victim blaming him for his own murder he shouldn't have "lied" about his gender but they had zero right to kill him many ppl get catfished but they don't kill them this was a hate Crim period
@Nonaya Bidness You're beyond disgusting and trying victim blaming to justify the killers by saying "Kedarie lied to these people, don't give people motives, especially if you know you're a marginalized group" and then comment an entire paragraph to justify your stup!d ass is humiliated even more. A lie wasn't an actual motive to kill someone and he didn't hide who he was and that was brave, people are assholes and when things don't affect em still think it's about them and act violently
*please do the werewolf killer, one of Russia's most prolific serial killers, Popkov was convicted of 22 murders in 2015, and confessed to 59 additional homicides three years later. On December 10, 2018 he was convicted for 56 of the 59 additional homicides.* to add on he was a POLICE OFFICER
Its also a hate crime because they left kedari with the bra and his genitals exposed like come on its so obvious they were trying to make fun of him this case is so heartbreaking they need to be charged with hate crime and something else I was thinking of is maybe lumni and kedari were in a relationship and lumni was trying to cover up he was gay
Im in Burlington they did it because they were hitting on her thinking he was a girl and he said he was a girl so when they went to the killers house they found out she was a he and being pissed off they got played they killed him. Its exactly opposite of what you think they had never met untill that night. and they felt disrespected. Not right but acting like a woman with a straight guy is very dangerous!
Imagine being so angry at someone for existing that you end their life, a poor baby that was just starting his/her life and being themselves, life sentence or not, thats what show's you they're not right in the head
I remember this saying "Some people will hate you because how others love you" He was a amazing person and loved by so many people... He was comfortable with himself and his sexuality and that bothered his killer who was most likely insecure and unhappy with his life and sexuality Some many cases in the LGBTQ get looked over or pushed under the rug and I'm glad for people like you to show them respect they are human just like everyone else #RIPKedarie&Kandace Can you also look into Brandon Lawson case he is still missing and his 911 has been hard to understand even by the dispatch and still is confusing till this day
Yes, being lgbt is so hard I’m trans and I constantly have to fear of getting hurt, bullied, or even killed It’s definitely not easy cause not everyone will accept us
This is such a heartwrenching case. He seemed like such a beam of light if you know what I mean, just making everyone happy and cheerful. It's so disappointing that people are injured and killed just for simply being themselves. Thank you, ealanore, for raising awareness for attacks on both LGBTQIA+ and Black (or generally coloured) lives. More need to realise these things are very very real, even today. R.I.P. kedarie/candice(sorry, not sure if that's the correct spelling), you deserved better.
Right? The way she describes Kedarie, I can TOTALLY imagine what kind of person he was/what it would be like to go to school with him- the Facebook pages, the group chats, his personality, I COMPLETELY knew people like that at 16 and can just totally picture what it’d be like to know him.
Nobody deserves to be killed for being LGBTQ etc... But PLEASE BE CAREFUL !!!! If you're going to have sex with someone, be CLEAR and have clear expectations and clear communication. You never know if youre casually with someone that if theg find out you're not a biological woman that they will not become enraged??? Also id you're about to have sex with someone aren't they kinda entitled to know and choose what kind of sex they Will be having
She has commented on this a few times, standing up for herself against the negative comments, as she should be! I can’t imagine the pain she has gone through and is most likely still going through.
Amari is doing fine. She's a strong young woman. It's so weird hearing this rando talk about people in my circle. Her mom is a good friend of mine. If you see this Amari, you see the name. Much love girl, give your dogs some love for me!
if that was me i would have forced my friend to stay at my house until i could find a way to get them home safely, but i understand her not wanting to push the issue. i’m sure she feels guilty which is upsetting
Qestra Trueheart They could have both gotten in trouble. The killers might have gotten impatient and stormed the house instead. Why didn’t they just call the police?
@@heensx2331 Because sometimes when you're in a stressful situation you don't think logically; It's caused by the flight or fight response, and though it's natural, it's slightly biologically outdated and doesn't work as well with the current framework of our society. The human consciousness is fallible, and when in a dangerous situation it's always important to not let your emotions get a hold of you, but then again, most people actually have to actively will themselves to stay calm.
I feel like "Nathaniel" was definitely Lumni, whether he and Kedarie were in a relationship or not. It would have to be a real huge coincidence for Kedarie to have a catfish threatening him online on the same night he was murdered by someone else. If they weren't dating, I think Lumni could have been using the page to catfish Kedarie, likely out of homophobia and embarrassment. Like, maybe he saw Kandacee on Facebook, thought she was biologically female and made a comment to some friends about how he was into her or wanted to hook up with her or something. Then he was embarrassed when he found out she was Kedarie. However, I do lean more toward the idea that they were dating. The Nathaniel profile did seem obviously fake, and I feel like Kedarie wouldn't have been fooled by that. Who knows, though? No matter what the exact reason was, this is a terribly sad case. Kedarie was so young and innocent. He had so much more to experience in life. He didn't deserve to die, much less because of the way he identified. I hope those men get recharged for the hate crime. Much love to Kedarie's family and friends. I think it's awesome that he was surrounded by such a wonderful and loving support system. I hope they realize how much their support must have meant to him.
What i don't understand, why didn't they trace the ip adress of the Nathaniel profile. It could've matched and easily proven that it was the same person..
I think Kedarie knew the profile was fake, hence maybe why he had told his friends that this person wasn’t “out” yet, but still posted stuff publicly on Kedarie’s facebook, like a burner account. I do believe Nathaniel was Lumli, or whatever his name is.
I have to say, for a conservitive town the police were AMAZING for this case! I'm so happy they got a serch warrent in only a few hours! In some cases it takes days or even weeks. So happy they took this hate crime seriously.
I feel like he knew Kedarie was a male all along and was attracted to him. But because he was a "badboy" that couldn't be so he had to prove his man hood. That's just my opinion and because I've seen this before.
From the video Kedarie did look masculine even with the hair so i think they knew he was a male. I also feel though, as members of the lgbt we must be honest with people about all aspects of our sexuality and gender identity. I’m not saying that he lied bc we don’t know what really happened, but we must be honest about our physical anatomy and most definitely about STD and AIDS and etc.
Of course people should be honest about that but if they're not death should not be punishment for dishonesty. My thought is if he was in the closet and killed Kaberle because he was afraid to come out. the fellas in prison are going to YANK him out!
i think that when kedaries shirt was pulled up and he saw a bra he thought the kedarie was a woman and was going to sexually assault him and then they pulled down kedaries trousers but then realised kedarie wasn’t a ‘woman’ which maybe why kedaries trousers weren’t pulled down the whole way and were only pulled down to expose kedaries genitalia
How is sexual orientation or gender identity STILL an issue? How, in a world with so many REAL issues, do these people still spend energy on hating someone for something that impacts on them not one damn iota? Total arrogance and ignorance
Hopefully by the time millennials have finished procreating , the kids will be brought up to not bat an eyelid to race/orientation or gender identity etc. Until then...
It’s so important to talk about cases like these to educate people on viscous attacks on the lgbtq+ community. Thank you Eleanor, I hope everyone treats people with empathy and kindness 💛
I had trouble reading this, not sure if my dyslexia is at play here or it's actually what El said but if it's not any of those I understand because you are not born speaking english.
this is heartbreaking. it’s so disgusting how much hate someone can hold towards a human being for not being society’s version of “normal.” mad respect for kedarie for not being afraid to express himself no matter how many hateful people bullied him. fly high kedarie ❤️
They could be Bluds or Crips these Gangsters have a code any one who is affiliated should not be out of the closet if news comes that one of them had sex with men the higher ups would order a hit imho Kedarie threatened to dox these downlow cats so they quickly took him out
I think Nathaniel is lumni. The police theory that kadarie got into the car that was following him to have random sex with ppl he didn’t know makes no sense.
@@kellimay1959 as blunt as you put it I agree, they probably convinced themselves it was the "man thing" to do..in some twisted ideology of masculinity due to having confusing sexual feelings towards Kadarie. Just my thought anyway.
rest easy kedarie johnson:( heartbreaking how people treat other people due to their sexuality. i have so much respect for you eleanor, covering all of these cases. you are so respectful & you change so many peoples lives by covering these topics & spreading awareness on things like this! i can’t wait to watch this 2nd parter:)
ive never been so pissed and sad at these videos because it makes me so mad that they would kill such a stunning individual and because i strongly relate to him
@@igetmoreassthanatoiletseat8264 i know oh my god. theres no need to kill someone, bully someone and be homophobic to people that are just being themselves. i’m bisexual myself and its heartbreaking to hear that this could happen to any one of us at any time...i’m thankful that people around me are supportive and not a lot of people know but it’s still heartbreaking to think that people do this sort of shit because of someones gender identity or sexuality. eleanor is such an inspiration to me because ever since she came out as bisexual i’ve always been inspired to be myself. i love eleanor so much and i hope one day that i somehow bump into her as i live in leeds myself:)
I'm addicted to this channel! I have Yorkshire grandchildren aged 15,17, and 21and it's great to hear a Yorkshire accent. You are always so respectful and fair minded in how you give your account of the cases. Each one is heart breaking for innocent friends and family of the victim and the accused. Thank you from locked down Edinburgh. 🌈
This is such a lovely comment. Eleanor is always so well spoken as well & puts so much effort into her videos 😊 I’m from Yorkshire I have a Leeds accent , I feel appreciated ☺️ I have so much love for Scottish accents too!💗
i think lumni knew exactly that kedarie was kandicee, and what they are physically. but west didn't, and because lumni doesn't want to be exposed that he was attracted to kedarie/kandicee, he acted all tough in front of his friend. like "oh, i had no idea!"... west likely had no clue, but lumni did.
I agree. I think if they did go back to that house for a threesome, lumni was probably hoping west would still be down regardless of Kedarie being a biological male, but West was probably like wtf?? So Lumni had to act like he didn’t know and was disgusted too.
Kedarie probably felt more free dressing in women clothes. I don't judge anybody; as a matter of fact, I accept everyone, and they were just hating on her for no reason at all. I have been in a wheelchair every since 1990 when I was just five years old (I got hit by a truck), and I was taunted, teased, and made fun of constantly because I couldn't walk. People should be more accepting of others. I love your channel!!
I offered 3 different things .. this is just a brief story line not the case & I WAS 15 & ITS BURLINGTON 2016 I didn’t think my 16year old friend was going to get murdered
@@amariashlynwashington9680 Its not your fault honey, you honestly offered to put yourself in harms way by walking kedarie home; since you were going to be walking back home alone, dog or no dog. Kedarie didn't even think something was going to happen to him so how could you have known? You're a great friend beautiful and I know he knew that ❤ I pray you have been able to grieve and start the healing process and that life has been good to you and your family/friends these few years with many more to come 🙏🏽💕
say it with me people: mind your business about people's sexualities! it shouldn't matter what they look like or what they prefer, it should be about their personality.
@@s_agebloom Yes you do and no one's afraid just disgusted by your gross behaviour. Young children and teenagers should be protected though by your predatory behaviour.
Same but let's not forget that they were around 16...and we never think something like "Getting abducted and murdered" will happen to us, even when we're faced with something suspicious "It's fine!" is the first thing we tell ourselves and go on about our days. Sometimes even when our intuition is screaming that we're in danger or a bad situation, we tend to brush it off not wanting to face the fact that something bad could indeed happen.
Same! I would have been on that phone so fast to the police! Also I would told my friend.call your Mom and let her know you are staying over to my house tonite.
Maybe not the police but this was late at night, I would have either called my mom and asked her to come pick me up, or if that wasn't possible I'd ask my friend to stay over for the night. No way I'm going out there alone when a car has just been following me.
Eleanor is so underrated, not only does she absolutely kill these videos every single time, she’s also a decent person & i can’t imagine her ever being cancelled or thinking she’s above lockdown rules. she deserves a lot more recognition than these other influencers
For real!! I found her over a year ago, and I still feel so connected to her videos and her personality. I also love her respect toward people who are also LGBTQ+, and how she encourages a conversation on specific terms. Makes my raging bisexual heart very happy :,)
This case is soooo scary for me. My daughter declared at 11yrs old that they identified as non-binary and gender fluid. She/they, are now 13yrs old and are discovering themselves, their gender, their sexuality with my unconditional love and support. However my child has been unable to attend school for almost 2yrs because they are scared, uncomfortable and feel threatened and unaccepted at school and in social environments. It just breaks my heart. My child is beautiful and amazing and so loving and caring yet is suffering at such a young age for trying to be true to her/themselves. It has not helped that my daughter started going through physical and hormonal development since age 9, very early, much earlier than their peers, and unfortunately has very large breasts at a very young age, as if their development and self discovery and self image wasn't already difficult enough. This video has me so scared for my child's safely and well being in the coming years. Why can't people just be kind, considerate, understanding and or mind their own damn business?! Why do people feel or believe they have the right to hurt, let alone murder another for being "different". RIP Kedarie, I hope you have the eternal peace in heaven that you were denied on earth. 💔
What happened to Kedarie was terrible. I'm glad the police worked hard to figure out this case. We hear so much about crime against LGBTQ folk going uninvestigated, but the police here followed every lead to get justice for this kid.
They had to know eachother prior to that night, if Kadarie dropped his name to the friend. Lumni was the undercover boyfriend, he hated himself the most. He kissed a boy and he liked it. They should've got the death penalty regardless, that baby was innocent 😇
There's no death penalty in Iowa. But I saw on another channel that if it's a federal crime, then you can get the death penalty in a non-death penalty state. I'm not sure about this. But, that makes sence as to why they want to retry it as a hate crime.
Pretty boy wants to keep up "womanizer image" and he was obviously sleeping with "Kandace" and I honestly believe that they slept together and the guy was scared that he was going to tell.
@@CStuekey87 she said that it’s information she found on the internet, so it may have been incorrect and also the case may have been updated since as this video was around a year ago
@JimmyBoi the case has been over since pre covid. If she doesn't know if her facts are correct then she shouldn't be making videos like she knows what she's talking about. There's proper channels you can go through, like FOIA, to get the correct information needed about the case. This case hits close go home as Kedarie was the best friend of my friend's daughters, Amari. This wasn't covered gracefully and she doesn't know what she's talking about. Just another rando making money from telling stories on UA-cam.
My sibling came out as gay and they’re trans too, they had to switch to homeschool since they were being verbally and physically attacked and this just makes me fear for the worst :/
Download a safety app for you both and have a safe sentence. Get your sibling a personal alarm. Pretty loud so they are. Don’t walk about with earphones in alone. Take well lit roads, let people know where you are. If your sibling trusts you that’s all you can do in this mad world stay safe x
bottom line: leave ppl the fk alone and if something or someone doesn’t concern u, keep it pushing. mind your business and live your own life. it’s really not that difficult.
@@TSHELE2 I guess in a way. Im thinking killing him because he's gay would be a hate crime. Killing him because he didn't want to his sexuality to be exposed is something else.
I dunno, y’all maybe these two dudes were easy to frame. I mean, WHY wouldn’t law enforcement follow up on the FB lead? I know oftentimes, that they are incompetent and rely HEAVILY on the public to solve these crimes, but c’mon, maaan!! It’s like they do the least amount of work, especially depending on WHO the victim is...🤔
Yes death is an easy escape, which is why I hate the death penalty. I bet they have it just to the jails don’t fill up. Still sickening how easy they killed him. He had more life to live.
@@emmahollow8898 who are you talking about?? I'm confused please explain more in detail what in the world you are talking about? Who is soft? I know dang well you are not condoning what happened to a 16 year old child
I went to school with them they were so kind and fun to be around. When we heard the news the Kedarie was murdered we we’re all so broken hearted the halls in the school were completely silent except for some crying it was an extremely sad day . R.I.P Kedarie we miss you 💗💗💗
kedaries mom moves her family out of Chicago to keep her kids safe n her poor son gets murdered in the new town. ppl its 2021, accept the different!! this was a child 16 years old!!!
Unfortunately it doesnt happen. people hates u for being gay, for being trans, for being muslim, for being jew, for being chinese.. its horrible but our minds still tiny
@@gomezg8497 I don’t understand how people are so rude to eachother, I accept everyone no matter what gender identity, sexuality, race, ethnicity, Ect and I’m a child, smh.
Did the Nathaniel page ever post anything again after Kedarie's murder? Because I think it's pretty incriminating if it literally just stopped posting and interacting right after what happened.
If two men pulled up on me like that I'd say no and be wiered out and I'd walk away. I don't think Kadari/Kandice went in the car willingly. Idk why would he/she go in the car willingly? Poor Kadari/Kandice 😭😭
"WHy IsN't thERe a StrAIghT PRide" This Just this. A tragedy just because of this poor victims gender identity/sexuality 😥 this happens more than people think...
There’s no fucking way people are being serious when they say that. If I hear someone say that I’m immediately assuming they’re a troll. There’s a million fucking reasons why there’s not one. This young beautiful person losing their life is one of them. So gross.
There are people being serious and wanting a straight pride but it's just really people who want to feel oppressed, like the LGBTQ+ community were, well, still are. pride is to celebrate the anniversary of the stonewall riots, a riot for LGBTQ+ rights. Even today people are being murdered, insults hurled at them, refused jobs and so many more, this poor POOR victim is just one example.
I feel like they thought he was a female. He thought it was Candace, he wasn't from the area. Maybe he never knew Kedarie because they weren't really around each other. He didn't seem to know the people in the red car. I think they took him thinking he was a woman then found out he was not when they tried to assault him and felt tricked, and didn't want people to think they were "gay".
the police messed up big time for not tracing that ip address. it had the possibility to explain so much and might’ve even been able to charge them with a hate crime. it could’ve led to nowhere, but it doesn’t hurt to try. rest easy kedarie ❤️
I feel like this case almost broke into a niche line of murders that get upheld with the theme of "trans panic" in which, somebody usually murders a trans woman* (most of the time) and uses the excuse that they panicked when they found out they were trans and murder them. Id really appreciate if you covered one of those cases sometime, these videos make me feel happy to see awareness spread about these issues.
i completely agree!! there are (sickeningly) a LOT of those cases out there, and bringing awareness to something that is such a... well... NOT RARE cause of death for transfeminine people would be really good.
Thank you for bringing Kedarie’s story to our attention! This really touched my heart because you could tell he was a beautiful person. I really hope his family get the justice they and Kedarie deserves. Also your delivery is so polite and self aware it’s so humbling. You are the best!!! Xxxxx
My friend Joe was murdered for being gay. He’d been getting a lot of homophobia from his neighbours and gangs near where he lived. One afternoon He was just about to go through his front door and he was pushed inside. I don’t know what happened next. Concerned friends contacted the police after not hearing from him. He was found on his bed with a knife right through so deep it had embedded itself into the mattress underneath him. They caught two guys who served 14 years in prison I’m proud to say Joe was a friend of mine,R.I.P my gentle man 😞😢
I am so sorry that people are so cruel that it scares so many wonderful people. I will always support you and send good vibes to every kind hearted person ❤
@@vmillixn we know. But when its someone you relate to, in this case being part of LGBTQ+, this person relates more. So it hits closer to home and hurts more
what a tragic case. a beautiful individual who had so much going against them and never really had the chance to live free before having it cut short :(
regardless of what went wrong with that interview, homophobic slurs were used and there was obvious hatred shown towards Kedarie. the fact that it can't be used as evidence of this murder being a hate crime is horrific. it's literal evidence. homophobia is homophobia.
I think Lumni was defo Nathaniel. I think him and Candice got into a argument of some kind and Lumni thought he was going to be outed for being gay. I think him and west got Candice into the vehicle and brought him back to the party house all being in agreement for a 3 some. West likely didn’t know Candice was born male and started to freak out. Lumni went along with West acting as if he didn’t know either. Lumni was probably testing the waters to see if west was closet gay too. He was likely hoping if rumours started to go around about him being gay that West name would go around with it too or that West would cover for him because West was “tricked” into doing something sexual with Candice too.
I’m so sorry to him/her family. He/she seemed like just an amazing person and didn’t deserve this. I wish things like this didn’t happen. I’m absolutely so sad.
I’m so glad that the police in this investigation actually took it seriously. I also agree with the idea about the boys becoming intimate with Kandice, and them doing these horrible things to her. Sadly...it’s a fairly common thing that happens. The theory that Kandice/Kadarie’s friends have is also very plausible, and very well also could have happened. It’s so upsetting..
Super random case that I think you’ll find interesting is the muffin man! Yes the muffin man from the song!!! I just found out that he was Londons first documented serial killer who killed 15 children and 7 bakers in the 1850’s. I just thought that was super random and you might find it interesting. Also thank you so much for all your work. You can tell you put a lot of time into your videos and really care about the victims.
I think the most believable theory is that they picked him up thinking he's a girl but then realized he was a "guy". Then they got angry and killed him. It might have also been possible that Lonny was Nathaniel and he had a different account to be himself and meet people secretly.
But then if Lumni was Nathaniel, he would've known that Kandice was also Kedarie since he was her boyfriend. So those two theories don't really go together I don't think? Unless he was her boyfriend without knowing about Kedarie but I would find that hard to believe.
@@emilie9081 i think he may have lied about knowing kedarie? because maybe he just wasn’t associated with kedarie, only kandice. and if he was nathaniel, and was dating kandice, they may not associate with kedarie at all, so like wouldn’t be friends on facebook or something. i’m not entirely sure if i got this to make sense but i don’t know a better way to explain it
Except Kedarie was walking and not in the car and told Amari he was scared as the red car had been following him. I think they abducted him knowing who he was.
This one made me cry. I am so sorry for his family's loss. My eldest child is transgender and it terrifies me that there are people like this out there.
I was just watching one of your previous videos when I had a “sleep spell” basically when I randomly get really tired in a very short amount of time. I fell asleep listening to your video and for three hours was I basically dead to the world. UA-cam just kept putting on another one of your videos for me. When I woke up, I was still listening to your channel!
This one really hit me. He sounded like such a beautiful person. To die in such a horrific way.....just awful. Made my heart drop when you described what they went through.
Police or at least an adult. However, they were teenagers, and sometimes, teens just don't think. It's not their fault. It's just part of being a teen. It's the feeling of still feeling indestructible. He might have thought he was in for a fight, however he was used to fights. And that is the often the problem, that people don't always settle disputes with fisticuffs alone. It's what I warn my nephew on. He's feels because he is tall and works out, that he can take anyone one. I have to stress he absolutely cannot stop a bullet. Or a well-aimed stab wound with a knife.
someone followed me out of a club and to my house. i called the police & they said if no crime was committed they ain’t coming and then said “following someone isn’t illegal” so... /:
Definitely sounds like they were afraid of being “outed.” Even if they didn’t know he was biologically a boy, they probably feared that he would out them. Unfortunately this happens a lot. They also could’ve already known he was biologically a boy and he didn’t do what they wanted him to do, so in fear of being “outed,” they killed him. Either way, it’s sad.
it’s so sad how homophobia was so normalized in this case :( and it’s sickening that it’s STILL normalized in society today :((( my heart goes out to the johnson family 💕💞💖💘💝💓💗
@jib jabs mcadoo my family taught me that being conservative doesn't mean you have to be cruel to those who don't follow your way of thinking/believing/living
homophobia is absolutely not "normalized" in society today lmao, at least in Western society. It's obviously still running rampant in the less civilized countries.
@@sims4hungergames212 In certain groups or areas, it 100% is. For example, I know that my family is still 100% homophobic without making a whole deal of it. It’s completely normalized in the small town they came from.
@@sims4hungergames212 I believe it’s more normalized in America now in days , a state like Louisiana celebrates gays now yet half the men there hate them and are violent towards gays , yet New Orleans is painted as some free land for gays , it’s normalized but still not exactly accepted ,truly sad how these people are treated just over their own personal choice....
My theory: lomnie (idk how to spell it) and west saw kedarie and thought "wow she's pretty" so they followed her/him and picked her/him up and then after they were all hitting it off they were about to do the deed but west and lomnie saw that he/she was a boy and got real homophobic and killed him/her
but this doesn’t work because even then before Kedarie was dropped off at the party house she went to her friends and told her friend she was scared to leave cause the red impala was there. that would have to mean kedarie was scared cause she knew it was her boyfriend in that car ready to act on the threats. that seems like the most likely theory to happen, and even then on cctv it would have caught the men approaching kedarie in the supermarket. i’m so saddened that the general public were able to come up with a better timeline of events then the actual police because now that all the pieces are put together justice still hasn’t been served. :/
this case honestly breaks my heart; it's so sad that such a bright person had to be taken from this earth so soon. i love true crime on here and i don't normally get emotional, but during part 1 with the clips from his funeral service i actually teared up. so tragic, rest in enternal sunshine kahdari
Eleanor I just had a video idea for you, it would be soooo awesome if you would cover the case of Oluwatoyin Salau !!! I feel like her case isn't being covered enough...I've only ever heard about her on twitter and it's such a shame because this girl was a hero, she deserves to be remembered :(
Eleanor wasn't joking when she said that second part would be out in a couple days! 😂😩 (didn't have to wait long since I watched the first part today) lol
I’ve watched a couple of shows that covered this case but none of them have such detail or that they even had suspects to follow up on so thank you for covering it in such a way!
I think Lumi actually picked up Kedarie at the supermarket and gave her a ride to the friends house, in purpose of getting a bra so she could play with the boys afterwards at the party house. They waited for her outside her friend's house.. that's why Kedarie refused her friend's offer to take her home. She got back in the car with the boys and went on the party house. And YES.. I think that the boys knew she was a biological boy. Something happened at the party house that led to them killing her. Tragic and sad. Loss of a young vibrant life. 😢
That's impossible because there is video footage of Kedarie/Kandice leaving the supermarket on foot, and the red car leaving in the same direction and seemingly starting to follow him. Kedarie went to get a bra for the purpose of having one for her Kandice days as she didn't have any. Later, Kedarie's friend also said she watched Kedarie leave her house on foot, and that the red car THEN left in the same direction.
@@emilie9081 they could have picked her up after they pulled out. Like pulled up as she was walking and offered her a ride. And maybe she didn't want the friend to know she was going with them so she walked aways before getting in the car. But idk why she wouldn't want her to know unless it was just cuz the guys were ashamed of being with her. But like why even tell the friend about them then. Idk. But the whole thing is sad.
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Kedarie would have been 21 this year. He barely got to live. This is so heart wrenching, he would have been the same age as me. My heart goes out to his family, I can't imagine how difficult this must have been
I didn't know she passed that young I thought she was older than me
and such a tough life right from the beginning , such a cruel painful way to pass. His/Her life was a constant battle right until the end. He/She didnt deserve anything that they went through x
@@abbigail3311 it's really sweet how you tried to use both of his sets of pronouns, but I don't know any genderfluid/genderqueer people who use he/she at the same time, it's usually just alternating between them. (eg, he and I had a great time together, she's always been a great friend to me) In Kedarie's case, it seemed more dependent on the day. Hope this helps?
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@@princessasia1280 he*.
She wasn’t kidding when she said that there wouldn’t be a long wait. She do be feeding us that quality content.
its eleanor ofc she feeds us quality content ahha
Shes queen all the wayyyy
She’s the best true crime tuber I’ve ever come across she’s so truthful not biased and informative asf and she delivers on time every time
So true! I was so grateful!
@@jazzyj7841 100% i love her
He was just a baby. Barely starting his life. He was killed just because he was brave enough to be his true self, even at 16 yrs old. How could anyone look at his sweet kind face and wish him harm? He seemed like such a beautiful soul. R.I.P Kadarie/Kandice. You deserved better.
He did deserve better. This is gut wrenching..so young..my son just turned 16...RIP Kedarie
He/She could be doing so well in life if it wasnt for the stupid boys who hurt him. He/She had so much potential x
It's not a crime to begin with!!!
@@crunchies4me what’s not a crime to begin with
@@abbigail3311 The best way is to alternate, when you don't know which pronouns are proper at that time. "She was so young. He didn't deserve what happened to him. I hope that, wherever she is, she's at peace now."
Poor Kedarie was murdered because 2 guys had such fragile sexuality. May they rot in jail forever and Kedarie's family heal.
@Nonaya Bidness doesn't change the fact they they killed him because he wasn't a woman
@Nonaya Bidness they shouldn’t have got killed, they weren’t giving those men a motive and its disgusting for u to even suggest that .
@Nonaya Bidness no offense but that sounds like your victim blaming him for his own murder he shouldn't have "lied" about his gender but they had zero right to kill him many ppl get catfished but they don't kill them this was a hate Crim period
@Nonaya Bidness You're beyond disgusting and trying victim blaming to justify the killers by saying "Kedarie lied to these people, don't give people motives, especially if you know you're a marginalized group" and then comment an entire paragraph to justify your stup!d ass is humiliated even more.
A lie wasn't an actual motive to kill someone and he didn't hide who he was and that was brave, people are assholes and when things don't affect em still think it's about them and act violently
@Nonaya Bidness nah maybe if they weren't homophobic, ignorant, murderous psychos, they wouldn't have killed him
you weren’t kidding when you said you’d release it soon
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RIGHT?! HYPED
Like damn
idc idc idc. if my friend told me a car was following them i’m calling the police and not letting them walk away
Me too!!!!
Amari was partially responsible for his death.
@@hiyanou2595 Omg that makes a lot of sence
@@hiyanou2595 that’s not fair to blame her. She probably partly blames herself anyway
@@sophiem6050 Also she, just like Kedarie , was only a teenager. Nobody expects their friend to be brutally murdered 😔
as a POC in the LGBTQ community, this case hit a little too close to the heart. kedarie deserved so much better.
What does poc mean sorry ♥️
What does Poc mean?
@@RubyRedS1ippers Person of color
@@tiffany_michele Person of color
@@KayytheGay oh ok💕
*please do the werewolf killer, one of Russia's most prolific serial killers, Popkov was convicted of 22 murders in 2015, and confessed to 59 additional homicides three years later. On December 10, 2018 he was convicted for 56 of the 59 additional homicides.* to add on he was a POLICE OFFICER
What did he do? I hope she sees this!!!!💓💖
This sounds so interesting, would love to see an Eleanor video about this
lmao *W H A T N O W*
This sounds so interesting 😯 I hope she sees this!
@@secondsofglory Iv'e been trying to get her attention on this case lol, hopefully she sees it
Its also a hate crime because they left kedari with the bra and his genitals exposed like come on its so obvious they were trying to make fun of him this case is so heartbreaking they need to be charged with hate crime and something else I was thinking of is maybe lumni and kedari were in a relationship and lumni was trying to cover up he was gay
exactly thats what i thought. i believe they exposed his genitals in a way to be like "YOURE A BOY"
Lumni is very likely Nathaniel!
Im in Burlington they did it because they were hitting on her thinking he was a girl and he said he was a girl so when they went to the killers house they found out she was a he and being pissed off they got played they killed him. Its exactly opposite of what you think they had never met untill that night. and they felt disrespected. Not right but acting like a woman with a straight guy is very dangerous!
imagine being so angry at someone for existing that you’d risk a life-sentence.... you’re definitely not okay in the head if you think that’s okay.
Imagine being so angry at someone for existing that you end their life, a poor baby that was just starting his/her life and being themselves, life sentence or not, thats what show's you they're not right in the head
Never trust DL trade
I remember this saying "Some people will hate you because how others love you" He was a amazing person and loved by so many people... He was comfortable with himself and his sexuality and that bothered his killer who was most likely insecure and unhappy with his life and sexuality
Some many cases in the LGBTQ get looked over or pushed under the rug and I'm glad for people like you to show them respect they are human just like everyone else
#RIPKedarie&Kandace
Can you also look into Brandon Lawson case he is still missing and his 911 has been hard to understand even by the dispatch and still is confusing till this day
Yes, being lgbt is so hard
I’m trans and I constantly have to fear of getting hurt, bullied, or even killed
It’s definitely not easy cause not everyone will accept us
Everything's true but I don't think that she will cover that case since he is still missing,I think she only covers solved cases?
@@suzaanmaharjan8169 she doesnt
@@bananaberry5909 lol sorry but do ya mean she doesnt cover still missing cases or she does?
Ok.. is this just me? But like I tried listening to other “true crime youtubers?” But I love her accent to me it’s so calming!
IKR!
“Today’s viddyyoooo” ❤️
no same. i can not watch anyone else besides her bc it’s something soothing about her voice.
She’s really mellow and not overly dramatic
Sounds like a Yorkshire accent to me, though I'm no expert. Definitely northern English.
This is such a sad story and really shows that homophobia is still really present and horrible
it honestly is. i recently dropped someone for being homophobic. its honestly horrible how someone can be so awful to someone cos of their sexuality
@@emsx8146 and I mean these are extreme cases, but there are so many homophobic things that are really normalised
@@pleun5594 i agree but these cases are actually more common then you think.its so upsetting :(
@@emsx8146 I know, way too common
I can’t believe that homophobia still exists
This is such a heartwrenching case. He seemed like such a beam of light if you know what I mean, just making everyone happy and cheerful. It's so disappointing that people are injured and killed just for simply being themselves. Thank you, ealanore, for raising awareness for attacks on both LGBTQIA+ and Black (or generally coloured) lives. More need to realise these things are very very real, even today. R.I.P. kedarie/candice(sorry, not sure if that's the correct spelling), you deserved better.
Right? The way she describes Kedarie, I can TOTALLY imagine what kind of person he was/what it would be like to go to school with him- the Facebook pages, the group chats, his personality, I COMPLETELY knew people like that at 16 and can just totally picture what it’d be like to know him.
Yes *ealanore* is the best (this isnt a hate comment just wanted to lighten the mood a bit but I agree such a disapointment)
Nobody deserves to be killed for being LGBTQ etc...
But PLEASE BE CAREFUL !!!!
If you're going to have sex with someone, be CLEAR and have clear expectations and clear communication.
You never know if youre casually with someone that if theg find out you're not a biological woman that they will not become enraged???
Also id you're about to have sex with someone aren't they kinda entitled to know and choose what kind of sex they Will be having
@Angelika Goulas My favorite uncle was gay & it didn’t change my love for him (R.I.P). What he ate didn’t make me full.
@@amandarios448 Exactly. No secrets.☝🏿😔
Poor Amari. I hope she’s okay and knows like it’s not her fault
I'm sure she went through a lot of self hatred for letting him leave. it wasnt her fault and I hope she comes to peace with that
She has commented on this a few times, standing up for herself against the negative comments, as she should be! I can’t imagine the pain she has gone through and is most likely still going through.
Amari is doing fine. She's a strong young woman. It's so weird hearing this rando talk about people in my circle. Her mom is a good friend of mine. If you see this Amari, you see the name. Much love girl, give your dogs some love for me!
yeah she was just a kid. hard to judge a kid for less than spectacular judgement hopefully she good
can’t even imagine how the friend who offered to walk him home feels
if that was me i would have forced my friend to stay at my house until i could find a way to get them home safely, but i understand her not wanting to push the issue. i’m sure she feels guilty which is upsetting
Qestra Trueheart They could have both gotten in trouble. The killers might have gotten impatient and stormed the house instead. Why didn’t they just call the police?
@@anipanini2467 yh i don’t understand why neither of them called the police. that is the rational thing to do
@@heensx2331 Because sometimes when you're in a stressful situation you don't think logically; It's caused by the flight or fight response, and though it's natural, it's slightly biologically outdated and doesn't work as well with the current framework of our society. The human consciousness is fallible, and when in a dangerous situation it's always important to not let your emotions get a hold of you, but then again, most people actually have to actively will themselves to stay calm.
@@heensx2331 keep in mind these are teenagers, not adults.
I feel like "Nathaniel" was definitely Lumni, whether he and Kedarie were in a relationship or not. It would have to be a real huge coincidence for Kedarie to have a catfish threatening him online on the same night he was murdered by someone else. If they weren't dating, I think Lumni could have been using the page to catfish Kedarie, likely out of homophobia and embarrassment. Like, maybe he saw Kandacee on Facebook, thought she was biologically female and made a comment to some friends about how he was into her or wanted to hook up with her or something. Then he was embarrassed when he found out she was Kedarie. However, I do lean more toward the idea that they were dating. The Nathaniel profile did seem obviously fake, and I feel like Kedarie wouldn't have been fooled by that. Who knows, though?
No matter what the exact reason was, this is a terribly sad case. Kedarie was so young and innocent. He had so much more to experience in life. He didn't deserve to die, much less because of the way he identified. I hope those men get recharged for the hate crime. Much love to Kedarie's family and friends. I think it's awesome that he was surrounded by such a wonderful and loving support system. I hope they realize how much their support must have meant to him.
I thought that too
What i don't understand, why didn't they trace the ip adress of the Nathaniel profile. It could've matched and easily proven that it was the same person..
Exactly
I think Kedarie knew the profile was fake, hence maybe why he had told his friends that this person wasn’t “out” yet, but still posted stuff publicly on Kedarie’s facebook, like a burner account. I do believe Nathaniel was Lumli, or whatever his name is.
I have to say, for a conservitive town the police were AMAZING for this case! I'm so happy they got a serch warrent in only a few hours! In some cases it takes days or even weeks. So happy they took this hate crime seriously.
I feel like he knew Kedarie was a male all along and was attracted to him. But because he was a "badboy" that couldn't be so he had to prove his man hood. That's just my opinion and because I've seen this before.
From the video Kedarie did look masculine even with the hair so i think they knew he was a male. I also feel though, as members of the lgbt we must be honest with people about all aspects of our sexuality and gender identity. I’m not saying that he lied bc we don’t know what really happened, but we must be honest about our physical anatomy and most definitely about STD and AIDS and etc.
I think the same thing. He liked him and killed him so no one found out.
Of course people should be honest about that but if they're not death should not be punishment for dishonesty. My thought is if he was in the closet and killed Kaberle because he was afraid to come out. the fellas in prison are going to YANK him out!
i think that when kedaries shirt was pulled up and he saw a bra he thought the kedarie was a woman and was going to sexually assault him and then they pulled down kedaries trousers but then realised kedarie wasn’t a ‘woman’ which maybe why kedaries trousers weren’t pulled down the whole way and were only pulled down to expose kedaries genitalia
I think so too.
How is sexual orientation or gender identity STILL an issue? How, in a world with so many REAL issues, do these people still spend energy on hating someone for something that impacts on them not one damn iota? Total arrogance and ignorance
Hopefully by the time millennials have finished procreating , the kids will be brought up to not bat an eyelid to race/orientation or gender identity etc. Until then...
@@jaydf2180 unfortunately there’s still plenty of them who got raised by hateful people, but I hope you’re right
Propaganda by conservatives and religion keeps everyone fighting and separated.
@@butttcandy2087 that’s part of it but not all.
I believe this was in 2010 i remember back then It wasn’t as acceptable as it is now 🥺
Thank you for touching on the LGBT hate crimes, and the lack of culpability - so so sad.
It’s so important to talk about cases like these to educate people on viscous attacks on the lgbtq+ community. Thank you Eleanor, I hope everyone treats people with empathy and kindness 💛
Me, not a born English speaker listening to this:
“And he took out of his bag his SKULL...”
me 😧😧😧😧😧
“SCHOOL...ID”
😌😌😌😌😌🙃🙃🙃🙃
me, an english born speaker, thought exactly the same thing😂😂
I had trouble reading this, not sure if my dyslexia is at play here or it's actually what El said but if it's not any of those I understand because you are not born speaking english.
@@JamesCharIes I think that they mean that it sounded a bit like skull at first, instead of school because of her accent
That's maybe English from where Elenore is from. We don't even say Garage the same as she does. There's different forms of English.
@@carolyn231 do you know what part of England she’s from? I’ve been googling to try to pin down the amazing accent and can’t find where she’s from….
this is heartbreaking. it’s so disgusting how much hate someone can hold towards a human being for not being society’s version of “normal.” mad respect for kedarie for not being afraid to express himself no matter how many hateful people bullied him. fly high kedarie ❤️
Imagine hating yourself so much that you take an innocent life for being themselves.
They could be Bluds or Crips these Gangsters have a code any one who is affiliated should not be out of the closet if news comes that one of them had sex with men the higher ups would order a hit imho Kedarie threatened to dox these downlow cats so they quickly took him out
I think Nathaniel is lumni. The police theory that kadarie got into the car that was following him to have random sex with ppl he didn’t know makes no sense.
I agree that it’s Quite possible that Nathaniel is Lumni!
They knew kedarie was a man. They plotted to have sex with him, and they plotted his murder.
LMAO exactly
@@kellimay1959 as blunt as you put it I agree, they probably convinced themselves it was the "man thing" to do..in some twisted ideology of masculinity due to having confusing sexual feelings towards Kadarie. Just my thought anyway.
yes. i was also thinking the same thing as what the friend's theory is.
"I'm not going to make you guys wait"
Me: Oh, okay, it'll be like 2 or 3 days.
Eleanor: *uploads NOT EVEN A FULL DAY after the first part*
I KNOW RIGHT I WAS SO EXCITED
rest easy kedarie johnson:( heartbreaking how people treat other people due to their sexuality. i have so much respect for you eleanor, covering all of these cases. you are so respectful & you change so many peoples lives by covering these topics & spreading awareness on things like this!
i can’t wait to watch this 2nd parter:)
GAGAGAGAGAGA!!! I want to cut my toe nails... NEVER! I am the feet UA-camr. Thanks for being a fan, dear ems
@@AxxLAfriku sorry what? get off her channel for the love of god 😩😂
ive never been so pissed and sad at these videos because it makes me so mad that they would kill such a stunning individual and because i strongly relate to him
@@igetmoreassthanatoiletseat8264 i know oh my god. theres no need to kill someone, bully someone and be homophobic to people that are just being themselves. i’m bisexual myself and its heartbreaking to hear that this could happen to any one of us at any time...i’m thankful that people around me are supportive and not a lot of people know but it’s still heartbreaking to think that people do this sort of shit because of someones gender identity or sexuality.
eleanor is such an inspiration to me because ever since she came out as bisexual i’ve always been inspired to be myself. i love eleanor so much and i hope one day that i somehow bump into her as i live in leeds myself:)
@@AxxLAfriku Go away
I'm addicted to this channel! I have Yorkshire grandchildren aged 15,17, and 21and it's great to hear a Yorkshire accent. You are always so respectful and fair minded in how you give your account of the cases. Each one is heart breaking for innocent friends and family of the victim and the accused. Thank you from locked down Edinburgh. 🌈
This is such a lovely comment. Eleanor is always so well spoken as well & puts so much effort into her videos 😊 I’m from Yorkshire I have a Leeds accent , I feel appreciated ☺️ I have so much love for Scottish accents too!💗
i think lumni knew exactly that kedarie was kandicee, and what they are physically. but west didn't, and because lumni doesn't want to be exposed that he was attracted to kedarie/kandicee, he acted all tough in front of his friend. like "oh, i had no idea!"...
west likely had no clue, but lumni did.
I think you are 100% correct.
I agree. I think if they did go back to that house for a threesome, lumni was probably hoping west would still be down regardless of Kedarie being a biological male, but West was probably like wtf?? So Lumni had to act like he didn’t know and was disgusted too.
Kedarie probably felt more free dressing in women clothes. I don't judge anybody; as a matter of fact, I accept everyone, and they were just hating on her for no reason at all. I have been in a wheelchair every since 1990 when I was just five years old (I got hit by a truck), and I was taunted, teased, and made fun of constantly because I couldn't walk. People should be more accepting of others. I love your channel!!
so sorry to hear that :( but you’re strong! and you’re right people need to learn to be more accepting of others
u are so strong!!!
awww
You seem like such a strong, resilient, and kind hearted person❤
Sorry you went through that, ppl suck sometimes. Stay strong, be safe, God bless
Why did they let them walk home if they literally SAID they were being followed. Whyyyyyyy :(((((( so so sad
She literally asked if she can walk with him(& bring the dog), but he declines.
@@ariahjames4340 see...I don't even understand how that's the end of the discussion. I'm calling the police.
I offered 3 different things .. this is just a brief story line not the case & I WAS 15 & ITS BURLINGTON 2016 I didn’t think my 16year old friend was going to get murdered
@@amariashlynwashington9680 don't take any comments to heart. You did everything you could. None of it is your fault❤️
@@amariashlynwashington9680 Its not your fault honey, you honestly offered to put yourself in harms way by walking kedarie home; since you were going to be walking back home alone, dog or no dog. Kedarie didn't even think something was going to happen to him so how could you have known? You're a great friend beautiful and I know he knew that ❤ I pray you have been able to grieve and start the healing process and that life has been good to you and your family/friends these few years with many more to come 🙏🏽💕
say it with me people: mind your business about people's sexualities! it shouldn't matter what they look like or what they prefer, it should be about their personality.
Exactly
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Agreed!
@@georgianaaron4986 no ones pushing sexuality down anyone’s throat and no ones propagandizing children, just say you’re homophobic and go.
@@s_agebloom Yes you do and no one's afraid just disgusted by your gross behaviour. Young children and teenagers should be protected though by your predatory behaviour.
eleanor posting is the only thing keeping me from going insane in quarantine
Same 😌
Same x2
You’re not alone 😌
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True crime keeping you OUT of insanity??
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Damn.
I wish he/she called the police when he was at Amari's house💔
Why didn't they call the police when he told his friend that he was being followed?😩🤦🏾♀️I wouldn't have let my friend leave.
I would of called the cops or made them stay at my house.
Same but let's not forget that they were around 16...and we never think something like "Getting abducted and murdered" will happen to us, even when we're faced with something suspicious "It's fine!" is the first thing we tell ourselves and go on about our days.
Sometimes even when our intuition is screaming that we're in danger or a bad situation, we tend to brush it off not wanting to face the fact that something bad could indeed happen.
Same! I would have been on that phone so fast to the police! Also I would told my friend.call your Mom and let her know you are staying over to my house tonite.
@@OnlyLilynn44 at 16 I knew better age has nothing to do with her not calling the cops
Maybe not the police but this was late at night, I would have either called my mom and asked her to come pick me up, or if that wasn't possible I'd ask my friend to stay over for the night. No way I'm going out there alone when a car has just been following me.
Eleanor is so underrated, not only does she absolutely kill these videos every single time, she’s also a decent person & i can’t imagine her ever being cancelled or thinking she’s above lockdown rules. she deserves a lot more recognition than these other influencers
“kill” lol 😆
For real!! I found her over a year ago, and I still feel so connected to her videos and her personality. I also love her respect toward people who are also LGBTQ+, and how she encourages a conversation on specific terms. Makes my raging bisexual heart very happy :,)
I agree! And she always takes the time to explain things like LGBTQ+ issues that a lot of people might not know about/understand. She's amazing
@@user-br5gs5bg1t that’s because she is in the lgbtq+ community!
This case is soooo scary for me. My daughter declared at 11yrs old that they identified as non-binary and gender fluid. She/they, are now 13yrs old and are discovering themselves, their gender, their sexuality with my unconditional love and support. However my child has been unable to attend school for almost 2yrs because they are scared, uncomfortable and feel threatened and unaccepted at school and in social environments. It just breaks my heart. My child is beautiful and amazing and so loving and caring yet is suffering at such a young age for trying to be true to her/themselves.
It has not helped that my daughter started going through physical and hormonal development since age 9, very early, much earlier than their peers, and unfortunately has very large breasts at a very young age, as if their development and self discovery and self image wasn't already difficult enough. This video has me so scared for my child's safely and well being in the coming years. Why can't people just be kind, considerate, understanding and or mind their own damn business?! Why do people feel or believe they have the right to hurt, let alone murder another for being "different".
RIP Kedarie, I hope you have the eternal peace in heaven that you were denied on earth. 💔
me watching the first part: no idea who is the murderer
me reading the title: OHHHHHHHHH
I’m waiting for the day that Eleanor solves one of these cases.
Perhaps not a solved case
@KEENG LOUIE that sounds hella creepy my guy
@@Sophie-yi8gy facts
What happened to Kedarie was terrible. I'm glad the police worked hard to figure out this case. We hear so much about crime against LGBTQ folk going uninvestigated, but the police here followed every lead to get justice for this kid.
And a LGBTQ person of color, in a small, conservative, mainly white town. I’m really proud of the police work in this case
I think this guy was suddenly and unexpectedly confronted with his own sexuality and it scared him.
My exact thoughts. He had to prove a point
that’s what i thought from the start
Lumni was living in the "down low" and he was dealing with "Kandace"
They had to know eachother prior to that night, if Kadarie dropped his name to the friend. Lumni was the undercover boyfriend, he hated himself the most. He kissed a boy and he liked it. They should've got the death penalty regardless, that baby was innocent 😇
There's no death penalty in Iowa. But I saw on another channel that if it's a federal crime, then you can get the death penalty in a non-death penalty state. I'm not sure about this. But, that makes sence as to why they want to retry it as a hate crime.
@@Carmen-us1ew Well, thanks to Calvin Coolidge, hate crimes are federal! I don't think this is a hate crime though.
Pretty boy wants to keep up "womanizer image" and he was obviously sleeping with "Kandace" and I honestly believe that they slept together and the guy was scared that he was going to tell.
Now Lumni is free to be with whoever he wants.
@@deedavis8962 I feel you
one of the saddest cases you covered yet you did it so gracefully, thank you for your effort with what you do.
Lol no she didn't. She has the facts wrong af. Trust me. I would know.
@@CStuekey87 she said that it’s information she found on the internet, so it may have been incorrect and also the case may have been updated since as this video was around a year ago
@JimmyBoi the case has been over since pre covid. If she doesn't know if her facts are correct then she shouldn't be making videos like she knows what she's talking about. There's proper channels you can go through, like FOIA, to get the correct information needed about the case. This case hits close go home as Kedarie was the best friend of my friend's daughters, Amari. This wasn't covered gracefully and she doesn't know what she's talking about. Just another rando making money from telling stories on UA-cam.
rip kedarie/kandace johnson , you will forever be missed
My sibling came out as gay and they’re trans too, they had to switch to homeschool since they were being verbally and physically attacked and this just makes me fear for the worst :/
I hope and pray that all goes well for you your sibling and your whole family xx so so sad in this day and age xx
Download a safety app for you both and have a safe sentence. Get your sibling a personal alarm. Pretty loud so they are. Don’t walk about with earphones in alone. Take well lit roads, let people know where you are. If your sibling trusts you that’s all you can do in this mad world stay safe x
I'm so sorry I hope your sibling is safe now
I hope your sibling is okay, sending love and hugs❤️ you are both beautiful humans worthy of love and affection never forget that 💞
nooo..!! I really hope your sibling is doing well...stay safe...❤️✨🏳️🌈
I’m angry at the fact that they didn’t track Nathaniel’s account
he was using nord vpn
@@______2918 im sorry but i laughed
@@______2918 LMAO STOP
@@uha8146 🤐
@@______2918 hahah such a funny time to make a joke😐. On a post about murder wow. Y'all amaze mw
But they are saying they gave him a ride. However Kedarie told his friend they followed him and he was scared
I honestly think they kidnapped him to rape him, but then realised they were male and murdered him instead
@@invadermaythe1st Delusion, he CLEARLY looked male.
bottom line: leave ppl the fk alone and if something or someone doesn’t concern u, keep it pushing. mind your business and live your own life. it’s really not that difficult.
Right, I wish more people had this mindset
Bingo. Leave private things private and keep to yourself and if you could try to refrain from killing that’d be great.
Bottom line: don’t murder people
Yesss sis
@@jorjy33craft59 also probably don’t assault ppl lol
Either it’s a hate crime or one of the guys was messing with him and didn’t want anyone to find out.
Bingo!
Which is still a hate crime.
@@TSHELE2 I guess in a way. Im thinking killing him because he's gay would be a hate crime. Killing him because he didn't want to his sexuality to be exposed is something else.
Alumni: I don’t know him. I don’t associate with gays
People: how’d you know he was gay?
Alumni: 👁👄👁
Literally 😭
All this time I thought it was "lumney"😀
“next question 😰”
I dunno, y’all maybe these two dudes were easy to frame. I mean, WHY wouldn’t law enforcement follow up on the FB lead? I know oftentimes, that they are incompetent and rely HEAVILY on the public to solve these crimes, but c’mon, maaan!! It’s like they do the least amount of work, especially depending on WHO the victim is...🤔
@@marionhope7506 wha
it’s a shame the policemen didn’t carry out the interview correctly, however i hope those men rot in jail either way, death is an easy escape.
Yes death is an easy escape, which is why I hate the death penalty. I bet they have it just to the jails don’t fill up. Still sickening how easy they killed him. He had more life to live.
They didn’t do anything wrong you guys are soft
@@emmahollow8898 shut up troll
@@emmahollow8898 who are you talking about?? I'm confused please explain more in detail what in the world you are talking about? Who is soft? I know dang well you are not condoning what happened to a 16 year old child
I went to school with them they were so kind and fun to be around. When we heard the news the Kedarie was murdered we we’re all so broken hearted the halls in the school were completely silent except for some crying it was an extremely sad day . R.I.P Kedarie we miss you 💗💗💗
kedaries mom moves her family out of Chicago to keep her kids safe n her poor son gets murdered in the new town. ppl its 2021, accept the different!! this was a child 16 years old!!!
Unfortunately it doesnt happen. people hates u for being gay, for being trans, for being muslim, for being jew, for being chinese.. its horrible but our minds still tiny
@@gomezg8497 I don’t understand how people are so rude to eachother, I accept everyone no matter what gender identity, sexuality, race, ethnicity, Ect and I’m a child, smh.
Did the Nathaniel page ever post anything again after Kedarie's murder? Because I think it's pretty incriminating if it literally just stopped posting and interacting right after what happened.
If two men pulled up on me like that I'd say no and be wiered out and I'd walk away. I don't think Kadari/Kandice went in the car willingly. Idk why would he/she go in the car willingly? Poor Kadari/Kandice 😭😭
Maybe cause he recognized the guys
Idk I think they forced him/kidnapped him
I think one of them had a thing with him. The one they call Lumni
Exactly, it makes no sense. & that was the car that was following Kadari right? Which they were SCARED of
The way she tries to keep us entertained but also doesn’t want to scare us is just so understanding
Love u Elenor !!🥰🥰🥰
"WHy IsN't thERe a StrAIghT PRide"
This
Just this. A tragedy just because of this poor victims gender identity/sexuality 😥 this happens more than people think...
I'm proud to be white and straight
There’s no fucking way people are being serious when they say that. If I hear someone say that I’m immediately assuming they’re a troll. There’s a million fucking reasons why there’s not one. This young beautiful person losing their life is one of them. So gross.
@Petite Vibrant if you have a “rainbow flag or bumper” you have to worry about BEING ATTACKED OR KILLED. I’m disgusted by your comments.
@Petite Vibrant why are you obsessively commenting on this video??? Go away man
There are people being serious and wanting a straight pride but it's just really people who want to feel oppressed, like the LGBTQ+ community were, well, still are. pride is to celebrate the anniversary of the stonewall riots, a riot for LGBTQ+ rights. Even today people are being murdered, insults hurled at them, refused jobs and so many more, this poor POOR victim is just one example.
I feel like they thought he was a female. He thought it was Candace, he wasn't from the area. Maybe he never knew Kedarie because they weren't really around each other. He didn't seem to know the people in the red car. I think they took him thinking he was a woman then found out he was not when they tried to assault him and felt tricked, and didn't want people to think they were "gay".
I think they kidnapped him tbh
They knew dang well he was a male they just dl and thought kedarie would tell so they killed him
Hell no sorry boo but that doesn't work anymore these days 🙄 these boys be knowing that that's a man🙄
Evidence showed Lumni was friends, linked, and in a group chat with Kandice prior to their slaying. He knew of them previously.
the police messed up big time for not tracing that ip address. it had the possibility to explain so much and might’ve even been able to charge them with a hate crime. it could’ve led to nowhere, but it doesn’t hurt to try. rest easy kedarie ❤️
I feel like this case almost broke into a niche line of murders that get upheld with the theme of "trans panic"
in which, somebody usually murders a trans woman* (most of the time) and uses the excuse that they panicked when they found out they were trans and murder them.
Id really appreciate if you covered one of those cases sometime, these videos make me feel happy to see awareness spread about these issues.
i completely agree!! there are (sickeningly) a LOT of those cases out there, and bringing awareness to something that is such a... well... NOT RARE cause of death for transfeminine people would be really good.
Wtf... Panic and kill someone? That's the stupidest thing
@@lucylucyinred that would describe self defense. although, in this situation it's not.
Thank you for bringing Kedarie’s story to our attention! This really touched my heart because you could tell he was a beautiful person. I really hope his family get the justice they and Kedarie deserves. Also your delivery is so polite and self aware it’s so humbling. You are the best!!! Xxxxx
My friend Joe was murdered for being gay. He’d been getting a lot of homophobia from his neighbours and gangs near where he lived. One afternoon He was just about to go through his front door and he was pushed inside. I don’t know what happened next. Concerned friends contacted the police after not hearing from him. He was found on his bed with a knife right through so deep it had embedded itself into the mattress underneath him. They caught two guys who served 14 years in prison
I’m proud to say Joe was a friend of mine,R.I.P my gentle man 😞😢
I'm so sorry, nobody deserves this. Rest in peace Joe xx
14 years is horribly short
as a trans person this is so terrifying to watch
Geez
Yes. I’m 22 and have never been in a relationship bc of me fearing things like this
I am so sorry that people are so cruel that it scares so many wonderful people. I will always support you and send good vibes to every kind hearted person ❤
Kandy, please Stay safe, and know that you are loved!
@@shadygirlxoxo thank you
kedarie/kandice honestly seems so sweet, I just want to give them a big hug.. so heartbreaking
This case is so sad its always terrible when fellow lgbtq get murdered
it’s terrible when anyone gets murdered .
@@vmillixn we know. But when its someone you relate to, in this case being part of LGBTQ+, this person relates more. So it hits closer to home and hurts more
@@vmillixn yeah i agree but it hits close to home for some people
@@vmillixn agreed, but hate crimes always hit just a tiny bit harder for me because I can relate, that could have been me.
@@vmillixn no shit. It just feels worse when someone is killed for no other reason than they were being themselves.
what a tragic case. a beautiful individual who had so much going against them and never really had the chance to live free before having it cut short :(
Hope everyone has had a amazing day despite the lockdown.
Aww you too!! Xx
@@vawkwardbat thank you xx
Aww really needed this cause I have to go to school daily.
@@me_loved_coffee_period1646 will be thinking of you 🙂 xx
Thank you, you too ❤️
“yes i’m single. and you’ll have to be ******* awesome to change that” who-
yeah i prefer it anyway HAHA :(
As a queer, Genderfluid person, I thank you for sharing this case and being so heartfelt about it.
🏳️🌈❤ Rest In piece Kadarie/Kandice
regardless of what went wrong with that interview, homophobic slurs were used and there was obvious hatred shown towards Kedarie. the fact that it can't be used as evidence of this murder being a hate crime is horrific. it's literal evidence. homophobia is homophobia.
I think Lumni was defo Nathaniel.
I think him and Candice got into a argument of some kind and Lumni thought he was going to be outed for being gay.
I think him and west got Candice into the vehicle and brought him back to the party house all being in agreement for a 3 some.
West likely didn’t know Candice was born male and started to freak out. Lumni went along with West acting as if he didn’t know either. Lumni was probably testing the waters to see if west was closet gay too. He was likely hoping if rumours started to go around about him being gay that West name would go around with it too or that West would cover for him because West was “tricked” into doing something sexual with Candice too.
I’m so sorry to him/her family. He/she seemed like just an amazing person and didn’t deserve this. I wish things like this didn’t happen. I’m absolutely so sad.
can we just love the fact that she wasn't lying when she said that she would try and get prt2 posted up fast 💓
The fact he got murdered just becuase he sexual attraction to men is so heartbreaking💔
he was so young. this is so heart breaking.
It’s so disturbing to see that someone wanting to live their life 100% them and then getting murdered due to that. It makes me ill.
I’m so glad that the police in this investigation actually took it seriously.
I also agree with the idea about the boys becoming intimate with Kandice, and them doing these horrible things to her. Sadly...it’s a fairly common thing that happens.
The theory that Kandice/Kadarie’s friends have is also very plausible, and very well also could have happened.
It’s so upsetting..
Super random case that I think you’ll find interesting is the muffin man! Yes the muffin man from the song!!! I just found out that he was Londons first documented serial killer who killed 15 children and 7 bakers in the 1850’s. I just thought that was super random and you might find it interesting. Also thank you so much for all your work. You can tell you put a lot of time into your videos and really care about the victims.
I think the most believable theory is that they picked him up thinking he's a girl but then realized he was a "guy". Then they got angry and killed him. It might have also been possible that Lonny was Nathaniel and he had a different account to be himself and meet people secretly.
I agree with you
yeah, they may have been nathaniel
But then if Lumni was Nathaniel, he would've known that Kandice was also Kedarie since he was her boyfriend. So those two theories don't really go together I don't think? Unless he was her boyfriend without knowing about Kedarie but I would find that hard to believe.
@@emilie9081 i think he may have lied about knowing kedarie? because maybe he just wasn’t associated with kedarie, only kandice. and if he was nathaniel, and was dating kandice, they may not associate with kedarie at all, so like wouldn’t be friends on facebook or something. i’m not entirely sure if i got this to make sense but i don’t know a better way to explain it
Except Kedarie was walking and not in the car and told Amari he was scared as the red car had been following him. I think they abducted him knowing who he was.
This one made me cry. I am so sorry for his family's loss. My eldest child is transgender and it terrifies me that there are people like this out there.
I was just watching one of your previous videos when I had a “sleep spell” basically when I randomly get really tired in a very short amount of time. I fell asleep listening to your video and for three hours was I basically dead to the world. UA-cam just kept putting on another one of your videos for me. When I woke up, I was still listening to your channel!
This one really hit me. He sounded like such a beautiful person. To die in such a horrific way.....just awful. Made my heart drop when you described what they went through.
I was so confused why the friend or Kedarie didn’t call the police about being followed when he was at her house :/
Police or at least an adult. However, they were teenagers, and sometimes, teens just don't think. It's not their fault. It's just part of being a teen. It's the feeling of still feeling indestructible. He might have thought he was in for a fight, however he was used to fights. And that is the often the problem, that people don't always settle disputes with fisticuffs alone. It's what I warn my nephew on. He's feels because he is tall and works out, that he can take anyone one. I have to stress he absolutely cannot stop a bullet. Or a well-aimed stab wound with a knife.
someone followed me out of a club and to my house. i called the police & they said if no crime was committed they ain’t coming and then said “following someone isn’t illegal” so... /:
cops dont do shit until the crime has been committed. they are absolutely useless in that departement.
@bagofmoths oh :(
@@heidischultz6219 Yeah it’s so sad whatever the reason he didn’t feel the need to call someone :/
Definitely sounds like they were afraid of being “outed.” Even if they didn’t know he was biologically a boy, they probably feared that he would out them. Unfortunately this happens a lot. They also could’ve already known he was biologically a boy and he didn’t do what they wanted him to do, so in fear of being “outed,” they killed him. Either way, it’s sad.
it’s so sad how homophobia was so normalized in this case :( and it’s sickening that it’s STILL normalized in society today :(((
my heart goes out to the johnson family 💕💞💖💘💝💓💗
Thankfully in my area homophobia isn't as bad as it once was. And I live in the south
@jib jabs mcadoo my family taught me that being conservative doesn't mean you have to be cruel to those who don't follow your way of thinking/believing/living
homophobia is absolutely not "normalized" in society today lmao, at least in Western society. It's obviously still running rampant in the less civilized countries.
@@sims4hungergames212 In certain groups or areas, it 100% is. For example, I know that my family is still 100% homophobic without making a whole deal of it. It’s completely normalized in the small town they came from.
@@sims4hungergames212 I believe it’s more normalized in America now in days , a state like Louisiana celebrates gays now yet half the men there hate them and are violent towards gays , yet New Orleans is painted as some free land for gays , it’s normalized but still not exactly accepted ,truly sad how these people are treated just over their own personal choice....
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UA-cam: HAHA, no.
UA-cam- the abusive "boyfriend" we just can't leave 😉
hahaahahhaahh original comment hahahahahahahah so funnyhahaha
@@j2thek903 Yeah let’s not compare UA-cam and the same UA-cam jokes to abusive relationships please
This case was the first one ever to make me genially cry. He was such a lovely sweet soul I don't understand how can you be hateful towards him.
Eleanor feels like my friend at this point. im constantly watching her
if I get murdered I want Eleanor to cover it 😌💗
damn thats dark lol
Same 😌💗
Same. If mines unsolved, there’s no doubt that she will end up solving it 😂
Ha😭
My theory: lomnie (idk how to spell it) and west saw kedarie and thought "wow she's pretty" so they followed her/him and picked her/him up and then after they were all hitting it off they were about to do the deed but west and lomnie saw that he/she was a boy and got real homophobic and killed him/her
but this doesn’t work because even then before Kedarie was dropped off at the party house she went to her friends and told her friend she was scared to leave cause the red impala was there. that would have to mean kedarie was scared cause she knew it was her boyfriend in that car ready to act on the threats. that seems like the most likely theory to happen, and even then on cctv it would have caught the men approaching kedarie in the supermarket. i’m so saddened that the general public were able to come up with a better timeline of events then the actual police because now that all the pieces are put together justice still hasn’t been served. :/
this case honestly breaks my heart; it's so sad that such a bright person had to be taken from this earth so soon. i love true crime on here and i don't normally get emotional, but during part 1 with the clips from his funeral service i actually teared up. so tragic, rest in enternal sunshine kahdari
When she laughs before saying "his street name" lmfao 💀 🤣 😂
Haha 😐
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Eleanor I just had a video idea for you, it would be soooo awesome if you would cover the case of Oluwatoyin Salau !!! I feel like her case isn't being covered enough...I've only ever heard about her on twitter and it's such a shame because this girl was a hero, she deserves to be remembered :(
part 2 in less than 24 hours? thats awesome eleanor
Eleanor wasn't joking when she said that second part would be out in a couple days! 😂😩 (didn't have to wait long since I watched the first part today) lol
I’ve watched a couple of shows that covered this case but none of them have such detail or that they even had suspects to follow up on so thank you for covering it in such a way!
I literally just finished watching the first part and now I’m blessed with the second part 2 minutes later😂
Same haha
I think Lumi actually picked up Kedarie at the supermarket and gave her a ride to the friends house, in purpose of getting a bra so she could play with the boys afterwards at the party house. They waited for her outside her friend's house.. that's why Kedarie refused her friend's offer to take her home. She got back in the car with the boys and went on the party house. And YES.. I think that the boys knew she was a biological boy. Something happened at the party house that led to them killing her. Tragic and sad. Loss of a young vibrant life. 😢
That's impossible because there is video footage of Kedarie/Kandice leaving the supermarket on foot, and the red car leaving in the same direction and seemingly starting to follow him. Kedarie went to get a bra for the purpose of having one for her Kandice days as she didn't have any. Later, Kedarie's friend also said she watched Kedarie leave her house on foot, and that the red car THEN left in the same direction.
@@emilie9081 they could have picked her up after they pulled out. Like pulled up as she was walking and offered her a ride. And maybe she didn't want the friend to know she was going with them so she walked aways before getting in the car. But idk why she wouldn't want her to know unless it was just cuz the guys were ashamed of being with her. But like why even tell the friend about them then. Idk. But the whole thing is sad.