Seeking Power at the Synod Press Conference
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Synod, Catholic Church, Father Radcliffe, Pope Benedict, Redemption, Peter, Judas, Humility, Mercy, Feminine, Catechesis
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In this conversation, Katherine Bennett and Gavin Ashenden discuss the recent Synod press conference, focusing on the responses from Father Timothy Radcliffe and Sister Natalie regarding the role of women in the Church. They explore themes of clericalism, the importance of humility, and the need for a new catechesis in the Catholic Church. The discussion also touches on the contrasting figures of Peter and Judas, the value of the invisible and feminine aspects of faith, and the significance of generosity in service and attention to others.
takeaways
Father Radcliffe's response highlighted the issue of clericalism in the Church.
Theosis is central to understanding our relationship with Christ.
Pope Benedict challenges the Church to measure redemption by social problems.
The transformation of the mind is crucial for spiritual growth.
Humility and acceptance of God's mercy are essential for Christians.
The invisible and feminine aspects of faith hold great value.
Generosity in service can have profound impacts on others' lives.
New catechesis is needed to address the current challenges in the Church.
The Church's role is to invite followers to recognize their shortcomings.
Fulfillment of one's vocation is necessary for spiritual growth.
titles
Peter vs. Judas: A Lesson in Humility
Father Radcliffe's Surprising Response
Sound Bites
"I think your daughters are a little bit involved in clericalism."
"It's about theosis. It's about Christ being formed in us."
"Does anyone who fails to measure up to this standard have any right to be called the redeemer?"
Chapters
00:00
Introduction to the Synod Press Conference
01:11
Father Radcliffe's Response to Secular Critique
05:10
Pope Benedict's Perspective on Redemption
09:10
The Contrast Between Peter and Judas
13:12
The Importance of Humility and Acceptance of Mercy
17:40
The Value of the Invisible and the Feminine
21:50
Generosity in Service and Attention
25:40
The Need for New Catechesis in the Church
Another excellent podcast! Beautiful glosses and observations around the obsession with power and ego so prevalent today. Thank you!!
No one on the Synod panel mentioned Christ's Mother, our spiritual Mother - willingly or otherwise, this is a breath-taking omission.
Exactly.
I wonder how many rosaries were prayed there during this month of the holy rosary.
She, nonetheless, had a very special, unique role. It is not that she isn't worthy of imitation, quite the opposite. However, the use of the other, more other ordinary examples were, perhaps, more effective.
@@mancal5829 daughter of the Father, mother of the Son, spouse of the Holy Ghost. In hoc signo vinces ✝️.
@@TwoSmallCoinsWhy would you wonder about that? I wasn't at the Synod of course, I said the Rosary three times in the whole month. I could have, indeed I should have, said it more often and didn't. But on the occasions I did the Synod was one of the things I prayed for.
“Unless I have power, I can’t have Christ. Unless you have a position, you can’t have access to Christ.” Pope Benedict. Absolutely brilliant. I couldn’t understand everything you two said, but I hung in there, and it started coming together for me when you relayed this quote. “The priority is the inside… Life in the Spirit.”
Compare your quotation of Pope Benedict with what Jesus said in Mark 10.42-45.
This reminds me of so many scripture verses, James, John and their mother asking for seats at Jesus's right & Left. Lay up treasure IN HEAVEN which is inperishable. The need for decreasing while Jesus increases. Humility, power of prayer, obedience etc, etc. This is not only a need for correct catechism, but true faith and knowledge of Scripture. This need of secularism to conform the Church to their beliefs while insisting the church stay out of their lives so obviously the real battle of satan vs. JESUS CHRIST, LORD AND KING. Keep praying Beloved followers of Christ and attend to all the sacraments of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church. A convert from US Episcopal church, ACNA and so very thankful for the Holy Rosary and how it helped bring me into Holy Mother Church in my 69th year! 🙏
Thanks, Sarah. Great point!
Thanks Sarah. Absolutely with You on this.
Hahaha Amen amen alleluia amen 🙏
Excellent discussion. All your episodes are amazing.
Very encouraging, thank you 🙏
Not all ! I’ve been tired of the endless unfounded criticisms of Pope Francis ., ok he’s a bit off the script and odd ….
Another invaluable commentary from Catholic Unscripted. Your distinctive gifts shine, each of you!!!!!!!!
❤ To you both. Always so insightful.
I was going to say the same. No mention of Our Blessed Mother. Humble.
Thanks once more, beloved Gavin and Katherine. So glad over what you sad being glad as a lay catholic. I am sure you would be a magnificent catholic priest, but you are already a magnificent lay confessor.❤❤❤
Excellent! Thank you for your deep and very profound reflections on this matter.
Nice to hear Gavin talk about the other guy's meeting with an Orthodox monk. I left the Roman Catholic Church and was received into the Orthodox Church this year. I have experienced so much holiness in Orthodoxy, best thing I ever did. ☦☦☦
Excellent discussion; Very informative.
Most Catholics would love the ideal Christian family, good dad happy mother and wife, well rounded children all the Family loving the Holy Trinity. But in reality how many families actually reach that perfection ? it’s nigh impossible. I in my own experience have seen so many Catholic friends whose families are terrible divided ; for different reasons and circumstances ,and on top of that Satan works much harder at helping them achieve this.
Also if everything was so perfect, where’s the cross.
Incidentally I still believe Catholic unscripted is doing an excellent job and truly Dr Ashenden is a real godsend to the RC church. Thanks all of you
IHMary. Harry
godsend, not God send
@@sophiachavez3377 Thanks Sophia for correction !!! I have edited it now, have another look. God bless you.
IHMary Harry
Thank you. ❤
I'm very glad I found you. Very stimulating .You pinpoint some essential things
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I was surprised and gladden by the 2 responses to that man.
‘Flourish’ is the newspaper of the Archdiocese of Glasgow. The most recent edition featured an article headed, “Synodality is already happening in Glasgow”. The article included the following paragraph:
“The Synod on Synodality has given us a boost in terms of the continuing empowerment of the laity and the naming of issues that are holding the church (sic) back from growing and developing, such as clericalism and the need for open discussion and discernment on ‘hot button issues.”
That paragraph nicely sums up what the Synod means to ‘progressive’ people in the Church. They crave ‘empowerment’. It is not about serving or even becoming more holy; it is just about power. And we can all guess what the ‘hot-button issues’ are which are supposedly holding the Church back from growing and developing. The strange thing is that they do not seem to have noticed that the continent where the Church is actually growing and developing (Africa) is also the most orthodox continent in the Church, as shown by the reaction of the African bishops to Fiducia supplicans. (Perhaps they have not even noticed the large number of African priests on which the Church in this country now depends.) Nor do they seem to be in the least bit aware that the Churches which are in the steepest decline are the ones which have most adopted the ‘progressive’ agenda.
I suggest you wait to see the final document of the Synod and how it is received and used. You seem to support the reaction of the African bishops to Fiducia supplicans. It is simply conjecture at this point, but the final document of the Synod may be in similar vein to Fiducia supplicans. If you observed the Synod press conference for today, October 22nd, you will find attestation to how much the Church in Africa is dependent on women, e. g. catechists, catechists whose functions encompass more than normally associated with catechists. I suggest that in Africa church members may not be as complacent on the role of women as you think.
Amen
The Africans are not so orthodox as you may think. Many practice polygamy and many priests have wives and children.
For a change ! I found this conversation uplifting and good! Thank you Gav & Kath .
And it is refreshing not to listen to more criticism of Pope Francis ..-.
Wonderful discussion! I'm so happy to have found your channel. Thank you.
Thank you 🙏
Finally at the end Gavin mentions motherhood. As the mother of 2 adult sons I've always told mothers that after the Pope they have the most important job in the world. We are co-creators forming the next generation. What a privilege!
Mother Mary holds a higher position in the Church than any priest or pope, he might have mentioned that fact to his daughters. The highest position anyone can hold in the Church is to be a disciple, may we all be ever so grateful to be that. As disciples we serve the Lord in the paths and roles he puts before us. May we all put our devotion to God above all other ambitions.
Wednesday 23rd October, 1:15pm Queensland,Australian time. I cannot but help think of the Gospel of Mark 10:42-45..Jesus said that "..anyone who wants to be first among you must be slave to all. For the Son of Man did not come to served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransome for many."
Very good point! Did Gavin forget it? From the blogs, he is not alone.
It's a similar matter that people stop coming to church because they dislike or fall out with the priest. It's the worship of God that we go for not because we like the priest.
I know
Yes! Wonderful as always! Shame that neither the Dutch journalist nor his French daughters never heard the words of Jesus affirming that the greatest among us are those who serve - instead of grasping for the oils of ordination they would be fighting for the towel of selfless service!
In fact that was a very recent Gospel at Sunday Mass.
The diaconate, for which the two daughters are seeking, is specially dedicated to service. You, as others, have to interpose that they were seeking power.
@@royquick-s5n I hope you are right.🙏
Christ victory is coming soon 🙏🙏🙏🇨🇮
the Tomb, is before the Ascension!
If anyone understood the life of a priest, no one would fight to be one.
Except maybe paedophiles.
Thanks!
If any one would be first, he must be last of all
The Catholic Church is going the way of the fragmentation of the Episcopalian/Anglican church. Next we will say our Mother who art in Heaven
Our Lady is in Heaven
I suggest that, regardless of the Synod on Synodality, the Roman Catholic Church will experience the same division on respect for traditional biblical moral, e. g. on homosexual conduct, as has occurred in the Anglican Communion. It will not be just traditionalist versus contemporary (liturgically). The moral issue crosses through both. Similar divisions have occurred in other denominations as well, leading to rise to new denominations in a few cases. Strangely, the malady has not struck the Eastern Orthodox Churches. If it has, they are keeping a tight lid on it. However, on the woman diaconate issue, an Eastern Orthodox woman deacon was ordained recently in North Africa.
@@royquick-s5nThis issue doesn't affect us at the present time. The ordaining of women as deacons is also not an issue and the case which you refer to is being dealt with. We see what is happening in the Anglican and Roman Catholic world and cling even harder to Christ due to these issues. There will always be people who push the boundaries, but we have checks and balances in place to deal with them.
The RC church is going down the same route as the church of England and we all see how this church is collapsing now. The pope is dragging his church to hell.
@@OrthodoxChristian809 I heard "walking together" from the panelists in the Synod press conference today. That is a favored expression of Justin Welby, Archbishop of Canterbury.
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Get thee behind me SATAN ~. The Synod is necessary 🕊️
Women can have positions in the Church. Isn't that sufficient unless they become Priests? Women were not Apostles but disciples. This craving for positions is evil.
Women were deacons. It is in Acts. It is issue of service, not one position above another. Ask yourself whether women have the physical and mental capacity to carry out the functions of priests or bishops. The same question has been applicable to those who have blocked women from other professions. There is a striking similarity to the thinking of those who opposed the abolition of slavery and women voting in the past. Some in opposition even appealed to scripture.
Typical Catholic - everything I disagree with is evil.
It’s all about the inner life in the Spirit, that is what we will retain in Heaven. Everything else is vanity and will be burned up.
Notice how no women are demanding to go down the mines - miners are essential works . It is always the prestigeous jobs that my fellow women want.
How are these answers from the Synod bringing people to Christ?
It is thought being inclusive will grow or increase the membership of the church. In other denominations where it has been put into practice, membership has declined.
Thank you Gavin and Catherine👍 Pope Francis is doing what Pope John 23 asked•Church please start to DIALOGUE•we need discussion. That is what the Synod is all about.
Why is that nun in civvies?
The majority nowadays are.
Why did St Peter not wear a dog collar !😇
Respectfully, I disagree with Gavin’s assessment of Fr. Radcliffe’s response. It was typically tepid and uninspiring. Your response, Gavin, was clear and definitive. Radcliffe could take a few pointers from you! He could have started with an ontological explanation that was instructive. Instead he chastised the questioner. Radcliffe missed a great opportunity to support this father and millions of other fathers in explaining the purpose and ontological rationale of why Catholic priests are male. While Radcliffe’s answer was a response, it failed to expose the modernist antecedent lurking just below the surface. Your answer was a far better one! Bravo!
Do you have an idea of Radcliffe's positions on homosexual conduct? Check. Then you may gain insight why he is favored by Pope Francis and Vatican staffers.
Maybe explain to the daughters that women’s lib movement is from hell, and has been effective in a decline of morals, family, and the church. Why not raise your daughters, because u have plenty of time: to pray to God to find out what HIS Will is for their lives! Not some agenda to follow, IF you want them truly to be happy in life!!
Where the women deacons in Acts following the women's lib movement?
Satan hates Christ's Church, and he is dismantling it sacrement by sacrement.
A very good 2020 book to read is: From christendom to apostolic mission : pastoral strategies for an apostolic age. Author: Shea, James P.,
Publication: Bismarck, North Dakota : University of Mary Press, 2020
God has created life as an ordered reality. For example, humanity is made a little lower than the angels, and animal life has been made lower than ourselves, and within the human order, as within the angelic and the animal orders, there are further different levels of existence that have been prescribed.
The levels of ‘being a man’ and ‘being a woman’ are different, with different qualities, characteristics, duties and responsibilities.
The push to make everything equal, so prevalent in contemporary post-Christian culture in the West, seems to me to be a clear indication of a rebellion against God’s ordering of the universe to suit only oneself, rather than live out the particular life individually gifted to us in obedience to Him. Those who are doing the pushing actually have little regard for the natural order of God’s design and purposes, and wish to impose their own, which is basically the Spirit of this World raising its proud head once again, as it has done from the very start. Eve was seduced by this very same desire, to be greater than she was, to be valued more highly, to have life in effect on her terms.
In that regard, the push for equality is not so much about a fairer society as it is a desire for controlling power.
Power? Not an unfounded accusation--to throw off track? Is it leveled at women who have challenged the bars to occupations which they have shown they are perfectly capable of carrying out afterwards? Look at the Anglicans, where what a priest or bishop differs little from Catholic counterparts and women have been deacons, priests, and bishops. Even Pope Francis has met with women bishops of the Church of England.
@@royquick-s5n - Forgive me, but I am not entirely sure of your point.
Allow me to elaborate. Authority and power go together, and if the authority that goes with the priestly role is undermined by women seeking that authority, then power is corrupted, lying in the hands of those who are not meant to wield it.
As for the Anglican Church, that is the denomination I left to become a Catholic. It took me a very long time to uncover its true nature, namely a religious movement which grew out of rejecting the Catholic faith, but attempting to retain something of the appearance of it. It retained the form, but none of the substance - priests but no sacrificial mass; priests but no confessional absolution; churches but no sanctity; prayers but no miracles; witness but no saints. And when women were ordained, God seemed to me to be even further removed.
Like the prodigal son, my growing awareness of the inadequate spiritual state that I was in made me realise that a true home was somewhere else. Thus eventually I was led by the Spirit to the Catholic Church, where truth, order and substance mattered, and in doing so, as with the prodigal son, it was like coming home. However, now I have to face Rome’s pressing desire to reinvent the Church according to the thinking of men, as Luther did in the 16th century.
Satan thus continues to try and lead us astray, and what better way than by upsetting the God-given natural order of things?
@@WesternMalaise Again, from what Jesus said to the Apostles, ministry should be service oriented, which he said that he exemplified. In Acts we find women were deacons. Research independent of scripture, conducted by more than one denomination, has shown a few isolated cases of women having exercised the position of "elder" (i. e. priest today). I invite other bloggers to check out your assertions made about Anglicans. Their Eucharist includes oblation, the passion, and resurrection, conformable to the Early Church. Their description of the Real Presence does not go into the detail of transubstantiation, but neither did the Early Church nor have the Eastern Orthodox Churches. One may examine their Books of Common Prayer to find absolution after the General Confession and in their provision for auricular confession and to find also Saints' days, but Anglicans remind us that, as in the Apostles' Creed, saints are not restricted to canonized Saints. Acceptance of miracles and apparitions are even an option in the Roman Catholic Church. Anglicans look upon some of things the Roman Catholic Church did as a departure from the faith once delivered to the saints, not the other way round. If you were a well instructed Anglican, you, too, have had to deny, forget, or suppress truths of Anglican history.
You're an animal - get used to it.
I'm so sick of the 1960's... make it stop.
Who's the haystack with the French accent?
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Er….i have shared this with a few Catholic ladies and they disagree entirely with the power slant argument . They are saying that women want to be priests and deacons , called by Christ to SERVE the Church and not to be part of the clerical caste . Their female qualities could surely help them to be of service to a Church in need .
Then they do not understand. If they want to serve God, they should do it in the way God has laid down and pay attention to Our Lady in all humility. Women can not be priests. It is closed. Why ‘protest?’ - protestation against God (You did not choose me, I chose you) is prideful, and these women need to pray for the scales to fall from their eyes.
Isn't their dissent from Pope Francis' teaching the worst kind or criticism of his papacy Denis? Isn't this what you regular attack us for? The Catholic Church teaches that the ordination to the priesthood is reserved exclusively for men based on several theological and historical reasons: 1). The Church recognises that Jesus Christ chose only men as his Apostles, establishing a precedent for the male-only priesthood. This choice is not as a cultural accommodation but as a deliberate decision that reflects the nature of the sacramental order. The Church teaches that this example is binding and must be followed. Why would we question this? Why not accept what Christ has revealed & be obedient by conforming to His will - this is what being a "Christian" means in its most fundamental sense. 2). The constant and universal tradition of the Church has maintained that only men can validly receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Any proper understanding of theology can only maintain that this tradition is therefore part of God's plan for the Church and is considered a permanent norm. The Church's teaching authority has consistently upheld this practice throughout history. If we believe the Church is true & founded by Jesus, surely we must accept this existential reality? 3). The sacrament of Holy Orders configures the ordained minister to Christ, who is male. The priest acts in the person of Christ (in persona Christi) during the celebration of the sacraments, particularly the Eucharist. This sacramental representation is obviously integral to the nature of the priesthood. 4). The Church's teaching emphasises that the priesthood is not merely a functional role but a sacramental one that involves a specific relationship to Christ and the Church. The male-only priesthood is viewed as part of the divine order established by God, which cannot be altered by human decision. 5). While the cultural context has evolved, the Church maintains that the reasons for reserving priestly ordination to men are rooted in divine revelation and not merely in historical or cultural circumstances. The Church acknowledges the expanded roles for women in various ministries but insists that the sacramental priesthood remains reserved for men. So, in short, the Catholic Church's position on the ordination of women is based on Christ's example, apostolic tradition, the nature of the priesthood, and theological foundations that affirm the male-only priesthood as part of God's design for the Church. Why would we not recognise that means something & cling to it?
I am not certain the communication is understood.
I don’t think his daughters would like to be priests even if that opportunity were given to them.
What I believe they deplore is that all decisions, all votes, the direction the Church goes, is dictated by men, and the laity, especially women, are not welcomed to participate. That is what I believe they see.
I wish sthg else had been stressed in the answers, is Jesus’ great reversal: the highest are commended to be the lowliest of servants, and what we would consider as the lowliest of servants are the highest.
One of my favourite saints is Bernadette, not because she was a visionary, but because of her personality : straightforward, humble and God-loving. She barely knew how to read and write when she had her visions, she mostly knew the Rosary as a prayer, she was mocked and belittled not only for being poor, but also for her visions, and yet she is a model to follow.
I can somewhat understand if his daughters would like to serve the Church as a profession in the laity that there aren’t that many opportunities, but it is the same for laymen.
They are looking at vocations as we are always talking vocations in our churches and our bulletins. But I totally know what you are saying as our first objective is Christ first in all we do and not as to our position in life, be it lay or clerical. I worked for priests as a parish secretary and I know their need and want to be single in laymen’s terms as they were married to their parish. That was their life. They could not ask or see to ask that from a partner. They were pastor and father day and night. This was their choice.
There are married priests, you know, e. g. in the Anglican Ordinariates. There have been married priests in the Church's Byzantine Rite in the past. Then there are the examples of the married priests and bishops in the Anglican Churches. Ordination is a sacrament. Celibacy is not.
It was never about "celibacy" it was about duty to their parish, to Christ. Not everything is about the physical, as man can live without sex. That would be like asking every Irish priest to take a vow of sobriety just because they end up with a drinking problem because they are Irish. Or maybe they just don't want to drink. Maybe their solace is in their vocation with their parish. But most priests I have encountered give 100%. But I have encountered those you speak of and sometimes it can be exceptional with an exceptional spouse but I have encountered one that became a curse on a parish who was not faithful to his flock and caused great harm to others as well as himself. So sacraments and how well you treat your vocation can be a precipice.
I thinks it's a shame to look for the orthodox Priests. I had to find a parish that is 25 minutes away. I live closer to the suburbs of Cleveland.
Better yet - find an ORTHODOX priest. ☦☦☦☦☦☦☦
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To be important we need to be Martha as well as her sister Mary and the path to do this is to see Jesus in the other and treat the other as truly Jesus our path to redemption, loving God in my neighbour. Good people and bad people are capable of good works and bad works. All need redemption that is why we all are important in God's eyes. God wants all of us to be saved, why otherwise would he have sent his Son to be crucified and abandoned.
While God’s choice of a woman to be Jesus’s mother clearly demonstrated that women are not inferior to men nor is motherhood an inferior vocation, the actual practice in the Church has always been to treat woman as inferior. However, women can be Doctors of the Church and saints making the highest “positions” open to all who are worthy.
But they can't be deacons, priests, and bishops dedicated to a life of service?
This questioning the Church or God on if you are the Christ/God line of question then proceeding to ask a rhetorical question implying if you do not agree with the questioner implies the questioner determines who God is therefore is God.
A priest has to be a Man. A man consecrates the Host and it becomes Christ in the womb of Mary, the Mother of the Church. In the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen
Hmm, two trads supporting Pope Francis' no discussion of the woman diaconate in the Synod. After the synod ends, I wonder whether they will be as supportive of the results. First, who is making aspiration to the diaconate a power play? Did the father of the two daughters say it that way? No. Radcliffe did, though. Holy orders are a service, as Jesus taught to serve, not steps to power, against which he had to admonish the apostles. What is being silenced, too, is found in Acts, women deacons. New? Who is kidding whom?
Their answers are so pathetic. They avoid Jesus and how He organized His Church stating that the relationship was that of a Bridegroom and his Bride - Jesus is the Bridegroom and the Church is His Bride. The priest is conformed to Jesus Christ which means that his role is that of a bridegroom and the Church (parish, diocese, and universal Church) is the Bride. A woman cannot be a bridegroom and so cannot be ordained as a priest who is conformed the Bridegroom, Jesus Christ. The Church rejects same-sex marriage.
Same-sex marriage is an issue separate from whether holy orders should be open to women. For example, among the larger part of Anglicanism that opposes same-sex marriage and homosexual conduct, there are deacons, priests, and bishops who are women. Yes, there are women clergy in the smaller part who accept same-sex marriage and homosexual conduct, which illustrates the issue of women clergy is separate from same-sex marriage and homosexual conduct.
I honestly think everyone has lost the point. Jesus said the least… Jesus said he came to serve… “the gentile lords behave this way, but not you…”
Guys, the most important job any of us could have is as a mother.
“She shall be called Eve, for she is the mother of all living.”
“Hail Mary… blessed are you among women…”
Guys… the most prestigious earthly jobs are the least necessary, if we want to be honest, the least necessary here, and will be superfluous in the hereafter.
We cannot be God. This is where this stems from. Why stop limit your desire and complaint to be merely a priest, bishop, cardinal, or pope? Why not complain or desire to be the other human being? How about Jesus Christ? Envy and coveting can know no limits. There are a lot of things we cannot be yet they complain about as if it is oppression.
The Synod is from Hell
Yes, u are venting!
But, u might be closer 2 the truth than u think.
I feel the Beast that speaks and the SYNOD, that finds its voice - 2 wear out the saints have some very spooky similarities .
I expect the DeRanking of the papacy before the next pope - pope PIZZA
with the void being filled by SYNOD
Hall, perhaps? It is from the Pope Paul VI Hall.
If god was real you wouldn't need a Synod, or even a church.