john smith The pre- lift episodes were the earliest years of the program. The content was a lot less refined and both pitchers and dragons seemed to get away with more attitude making these early episodes far more entertaining especially series 1 and 2.
Series 1 was basically crimewatch. The inquisitor like dragons were constantly catching criminal-like people, fraudulent investments, murderous projects and most importantly, the double-act vigilantes!
They only showcase the really good investments and the really bad. It's like American Idol. The "yeah this is decent but ehhh" investments aren't shown.
Thats harsh. They were not doing anything illegal. They said they own some code. Just not the main engine. Basically, they wrote an abstraction layer for an API. I do that all the time.
Anyone who can't relate to that has never prepared a presentation which they think may be good enough, then looked out at an audience who want you to give them something better, or shut up. Then you do the worst thing possible - try to talk yourself out of trouble.
Always makes me laugh how after ‘I’m out’ which is usually the final statement, Duncan always follows up with more like ‘I’m out, I’m not interested, I’m gone’
Quite. It's basically a pretty nasty programme - don't go on it unless you want your humiliation to be out there forever and the only thing the public remembers about you. Or unless you're 100% you have a great business I guess.
As an ex muso, I can say that most musicians and singers are skint and no one who's persuing a career in music business ain't guna want to pay £500 straight away for this.
That`s exactly what I thought as £500 is a lot of money to pay to get on that platform. A better solution would have been ask the dragons for £10,000 and let musicians and singers sign up for say £50 for the first year and then a percentage cut from all sales after that.
@@ReeTVdocs £500 may be a tiny investment if you've got it spare but from my experience, musicians are always skint and can't afford £500 to get access to a platform that from their perspective, might not even do anything productive for their career.
ashleelmb hiya, well that’s your experience. From my experience, the ones you’re talking about, a small group, are used to living off of other people. With no expenses, for something they really want, it’s a tiny investment
That pitch brought back a few play rehearsals. The only thing missing was the director throwing the script on the stage and yelling, "You were supposed to know the lines by last week. We open in 10 days! TEN days!!!!"
Tbf, even that analogy doesn't work. It's more audio description for those with major short-term memory issues. Like when Doug asks if they own the software and they say they don't... then the basement troll pipes up to remind us that literally seconds prior to that the revelation was made that they don't own the software they're pitching. Tbf, even that analogy doesn't work. It's more audio description for those with major short-term memory issues... wait...
@@spannerintheworks1190 He said the show wasn’t what he expected and there were too many “egos”. He probably didn’t enjoy some of the people he worked with.
Dude so nervous. Whoever is reading and going through hard times, depression, sucidal thoughts, trauma and frustration. Dont give up. You will overcome.
That pitch felt like when you are studying word definitions with your kid for a test he has to take in the morning and he just told you he hasn't studied at all for it.
For me it's the fact that the old episodes usually present people with interesting ideas and novel innovations (even if they are bunk). Nowadays it's all "We're selling this boutique coffee businees. There are lots of coffee business, but ours has a green stripe on the label, which is unique and worth £2 Million
they are negotiable though, the will accept 300 pounds plus a weekly BJ for the next 12 months at time of purchase. They will also accept BJs from males at a higher rate.
Seeing as the domain is up for sale, I’d say it was a safe bet they didn’t make it.... and of course they didn’t! These music companies are very powerful. Whoever controls the artists, controls the artists entire following. There is no way these record labels would let their control be taken away! No way on this earth
It appears you did not really understand the concept they were trying to sell. Think 'Soundcloud'; artists who are not big enough to reach the masses nor signed to a record label. Of course, in today's age, there are various free platforms such as UA-cam and other disruptors where this is achievable.
Hayfer your attempt at looking intelligent by making some random person online look silly didn’t work. If don’t understand what I am saying, I’m not going to explain it to you. Go on with your day you patronising sheep
BigPapaMitchell no one buys music, they buy subscriptions to services that host music. Soundcloud allows you to make your music require that subscription and get paid per play
I'm a programmer, I've made all sorts, including a couple of big custom websites from the ground up. Non-programmers with big ideas for software and websites are the most annoying wannabes I encounter.
If these guys had what the dragons were talking about with owning the software and having the business model tighter they would have been so ahead of their time and could be where Distrokid and CD baby are now.
Fast forward to 2022 where most companies run on software they don't own on servers they don't own and noone appears to have much of a problem with it.
To be fair, non-IT companies not owning any software is the norm. It's very rare on the other hand to find companies whose business model is software for them not to own that software. Servers are just infrastructure, only hardware companies own and manufacture servers to other companies though.
Next up into the Den... We have the confident, positive & very enthusiastic entrepreneur who's looking to reach a deal with one of the business tycoons..... *Rachel - "You suck"
I wonder if they’re extra brutal when they’re going out just for tv, or if they’re always a-holes like that. Like if you’re 100% out then just say it, you don’t have to say “it’s ridiculous, I’m out I’m not interested, you don’t have a product, etc”
"It's like Christopher Wren and St Paul's Cathedral". Great analogy, actually - Christopher Wren got the glory, and St Paul's Cathedral got the customers. But you guys were there to pitch as a "Christopher Wren" when the money was going to go to the cathedral.
they were right about it one day being a big hit but just not those guys. Their entire pitch was for Spotify, except the guys who made Spotify knew what they were doing
Still very brave to come there and stand there in front of them and the cameras. Don't be afraid of embarrassment guys or have fear of failure. Scientific research shows that people are a lot unhappier about the things that they didn't do, than they are about the mistakes they made while they were doing things. So don't shy away from making a fool of yourself when you try to do new things. Do them anyway and you will become even stronger than you were before.
This could’ve been the start of millions potentially billions if they had developed and owned unique software.. Back in those days they could easily have run that for a couple of years and someone like a Yahoo would’ve bought it for millions if it’d done well.
Doesn't matter when this was aired, not having developers as the primary shareholders is going to fail every time in this market. Ideas are a dime a dozen, software is 99% about design and writing the code.
when you rush to seek and investor without thinking properly of the product. These guys are not Angel Investors, they are VC styled investors hence the name Dragons.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE put a "Date first aired" on these videos.
It's quite obviously close to when they first aired, this will be from 2005 or 2006.
early 2005 but recorded in 2004
What you on about, this is from the latest series!
Yeah, need to be able to filter out all the early episodes where they all behave like egocentric twats, and then all the ones with Jenny in them.
Shes to lazy to do it. A lazy karen
You know it’s going to be a good episode when the den doesn’t even have a lift yet
Why would it be good because they dont have a lift?
john smith The pre- lift episodes were the earliest years of the program. The content was a lot less refined and both pitchers and dragons seemed to get away with more attitude making these early episodes far more entertaining especially series 1 and 2.
There were worse products and pitches back then ("worse" in a way that's a lot more entertaining).
@@FortoFight exactly
The recent ones seem more like a variety show. The early ones were a lot more genuine.
I think these two met for the first time just now downstairs
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😁😁
For those curious: this episode was first aired Jan 2005
@@Nervous101 aahhh look. a puppy
Geez that is an eternity ago! I assumed that this was possibly 2008 or so.
@@Nervous101 lmfao, how old r u then
Nearly 4 years before Spotify. As the Dragons said, a great idea, but difficult to execute.
Thanks!
Series 1 was basically crimewatch. The inquisitor like dragons were constantly catching criminal-like people, fraudulent investments, murderous projects and most importantly, the double-act vigilantes!
😝😂🤣👌
They only showcase the really good investments and the really bad. It's like American Idol. The "yeah this is decent but ehhh" investments aren't shown.
Nice one 👌😁
Actually lolled. Well done. Great comment
Thats harsh. They were not doing anything illegal. They said they own some code. Just not the main engine. Basically, they wrote an abstraction layer for an API. I do that all the time.
OH THIS IS SO PAINFUL TO WATCH IT'S LIKE WATCHING MYSELF PRESENTING SOMETHING.
OH REALLY COOL THX FOR SHARING
LMAO , I feel their pain !
Anyone who can't relate to that has never prepared a presentation which they think may be good enough, then looked out at an audience who want you to give them something better, or shut up. Then you do the worst thing possible - try to talk yourself out of trouble.
😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Always makes me laugh how after ‘I’m out’ which is usually the final statement, Duncan always follows up with more like ‘I’m out, I’m not interested, I’m gone’
they are reselling software they dont own? LOL
Hahaha! They could have edited his hand slip on the stairs out but they specifically added a cut of it happening.
ahahah rekt
Where lol? I rewound it but didn't see it 🤣🤣🤣
Quite. It's basically a pretty nasty programme - don't go on it unless you want your humiliation to be out there forever and the only thing the public remembers about you. Or unless you're 100% you have a great business I guess.
@@ChaseEverything at 0:11
Guy#1: "We even finish each other's..."
Guy#2: "..."
Guy#1: "Sentences..."
Sandwiches
"i'd invest in the concept but not in you doing it" that is savage.
Incel
virgin
Dad
Butt face
LMAO! My insult got censored.
As an ex muso, I can say that most musicians and singers are skint and no one who's persuing a career in music business ain't guna want to pay £500 straight away for this.
That`s exactly what I thought as £500 is a lot of money to pay to get on that platform. A better solution would have been ask the dragons for £10,000 and let musicians and singers sign up for say £50 for the first year and then a percentage cut from all sales after that.
It was 15 years ago lol
But it didn’t work because the record labels would never allow their control to be taken away
@@ReeTVdocs £500 may be a tiny investment if you've got it spare but from my experience, musicians are always skint and can't afford £500 to get access to a platform that from their perspective, might not even do anything productive for their career.
ashleelmb hiya, well that’s your experience. From my experience, the ones you’re talking about, a small group, are used to living off of other people. With no expenses, for something they really want, it’s a tiny investment
0:10 is why they installed the lift
That and the THOUSANDS of pitches were people were out of breath.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The lift is fake apparently
@@aligatorpolo2023 it's not apparently. it IS a fake lift.
The lift is fake lol its just an automatic door that opens and closes lol you can see Kevin O'Lary, Mr Wonderful go around shark tanks set.
That pitch brought back a few play rehearsals. The only thing missing was the director throwing the script on the stage and yelling, "You were supposed to know the lines by last week. We open in 10 days! TEN days!!!!"
Evan Davis’ voice-over in the first couple of series is like audio description for the blind.
Dragon's Den: The Audiobook
Tbf, even that analogy doesn't work. It's more audio description for those with major short-term memory issues. Like when Doug asks if they own the software and they say they don't... then the basement troll pipes up to remind us that literally seconds prior to that the revelation was made that they don't own the software they're pitching.
Tbf, even that analogy doesn't work. It's more audio description for those with major short-term memory issues... wait...
@@Macephtopheles 'basement troll' genuinely had me laughing out loud for a good couple of minutes. Thanks for that
You mean for those with dementia.
It’s more like the peppa pig version
Simon is honestly such a nice human being .. so supportive even if the idea is ridiculous
The tone of his comments was the most brutal
@@RealityCheck6T9 I know! I was thinking that 😂
I always thought that most of the time he looked bored out of his tree, probably just his demeanor.
@@spannerintheworks1190 He said the show wasn’t what he expected and there were too many “egos”. He probably didn’t enjoy some of the people he worked with.
Dude so nervous. Whoever is reading and going through hard times, depression, sucidal thoughts, trauma and frustration. Dont give up. You will overcome.
I was doing alright until you reminded about all that
smith lmao
Relevance?
Thank god for the narrator telling us whats happening id be lost without Duncan isnt happy, Duncan IM OOOUUTTT
This was bandcamp 3 or 4 years too early, and the subscription fee and up front cost isn't right for bands.
Duncan Bannatyne needs to make it more clear if he's in or out
underrated comment hahahahaha
If only the narrator could give us a clue!
I know right ?! I’m still wondering that...
Oh, God - not the "I say this line, then you say a line" thing. Seldom works well!
Especially when you switch mid sentence.
You could see how nervous they were . I actually couldn't stop cringing the more they kept talking.
That pitch felt like when you are studying word definitions with your kid for a test he has to take in the morning and he just told you he hasn't studied at all for it.
I love these old episodes where they didn't cut out any of the fumbling
For me it's the fact that the old episodes usually present people with interesting ideas and novel innovations (even if they are bunk).
Nowadays it's all "We're selling this boutique coffee businees. There are lots of coffee business, but ours has a green stripe on the label, which is unique and worth £2 Million
Ahead of their time. Hello Spotify
Also I like how they are just pitching a concept rather than a business or a product
Well Simon was spot on on this one. Will be a huge hit (SoundCloud), but it wasn't these guys who were going to pull it off.
This isn't SoundCloud. It's Bandcamp.
@@wintermute8315 And for a fun note: Bandcamp was established in 2008, just a few years after this.
Big L on these guys.
@Cee Dub619cameraman Indirectly they do through the promoting. Soundcloud is MAJOR for music discovery, it will never go away.
They were too early for their time - Simon woodruff got it spot on - the innovator’s dilemma of the visionary
They weren't too early they were just the wrong people with the right idea
URL currently for sale at $500 lol
Loool
Lol now it shows the monthly price at $450
they are negotiable though, the will accept 300 pounds plus a weekly BJ for the next 12 months at time of purchase. They will also accept BJs from males at a higher rate.
URL currently not even anymore for sale and just shows a blank webpage, lol
@@Cyc0de It's not even worth anything as well I looked at the DA PA he was chatting bull it has nothing going for it
Seeing as the domain is up for sale, I’d say it was a safe bet they didn’t make it.... and of course they didn’t! These music companies are very powerful. Whoever controls the artists, controls the artists entire following. There is no way these record labels would let their control be taken away! No way on this earth
It appears you did not really understand the concept they were trying to sell. Think 'Soundcloud'; artists who are not big enough to reach the masses nor signed to a record label. Of course, in today's age, there are various free platforms such as UA-cam and other disruptors where this is achievable.
Hayfer your attempt at looking intelligent by making some random person online look silly didn’t work. If don’t understand what I am saying, I’m not going to explain it to you. Go on with your day you patronising sheep
We now have apple music,spotify and youtube music
The good old days of Dragons' Den, when Simon from The Inbetweeners was on the Dragons' team.
5:37 Tell us how you feel, Duncan!
Who else needs Dragon's Den to upload more videos so that we have new content to watch during quarantine?
Seriously....I've almost caught up and its gonna be sad when I do.
they do seem to be posting a full pitch every day tbf
Me, can't get enough of it.
Hell yeah. No more repeats
Kia Gupta try BBC iPlayer if you’re in the UK
The moment he thinks that BT writes their software was too short 😂
soundcloud has entered the chat
0:10 enjoy your trip! see you next fall....
I think Jenny would be horrified with this, only 2 of the 5 Dragons actually said the words "I'm out"
Technically they are still in and could put in an offer now
Technically she invested more than those 3 combined
Basically Soundcloud murdered this service lol
does soundcloud let you build customized websites to sell your music?
BigPapaMitchell no one buys music, they buy subscriptions to services that host music. Soundcloud allows you to make your music require that subscription and get paid per play
There are other sites similar that are doing well, like distrokid. Wouldn’t relate it to soundcloud though
More like Bandcamp
@@WyattCieluch You don't get paid by play mate lol
Jesus Christ those charts with lines all over the place were never going to help their pitch...
Apostrophes all over the place too
DylValentine Why do you use Jesus Christ's name in vain? Smh.
I wonder if Doug used to get worried when the sirens sounded outside...
Doug Richard's "I'm out" was a beauty. The exasperation was astounding.
You know its an early episode when you can hear traffic noises in the background...
Another "inventor" that is selling the front end (like the paint job of a car) without actually owning the back end (the freaking car itself)
Yup. Non tech guys just can't understand why backend is so important. I don't think these people did. Backend is everything
7:24 Rachel didnt even get to say "Im out" LOL
Nor did Simon-looks like it was heavily edited down.
I don’t think it was edited down, just as she started to insult them they knew she was out and they just basically said, “alright, later.”
This is me and my classmate when we do in class presentations 😂
I like the vehicle noises in the background, really adds to the atmosphere
Its like a highschool presentation.
The sirens in the background@6:08 completely caught me off guard
Richard: you know we're going to pitch for £200k investment? Just got home, everythings in the wash.
Chris: borrow a shirt from lost property.
the smart thing to do would be to have the platform free for a period of time to get users
6:32 sick remix right there
Expected a dragon at 0:10 to go ‘wayyy’
I'm a programmer, I've made all sorts, including a couple of big custom websites from the ground up. Non-programmers with big ideas for software and websites are the most annoying wannabes I encounter.
Curious...anyone that uses an easel on set usually crashes and burns.
Bandcamp?
Pretty much
The old days when Duncan looked like a hair stylist
Life: what's the first word you can think of when u hear dragons den
Me: Dissolved
Jenny: I'm not a dragon yet but I'm out.
If these guys had what the dragons were talking about with owning the software and having the business model tighter they would have been so ahead of their time and could be where Distrokid and CD baby are now.
Noone saw man in blue shirt trip a lil when he was about done with stairs? Hahaha
If that’s not a heartbreaking fairytale ending , idk what is lol “they left without a penny, the dragons just didn’t believe in them.” Lol 😂
The first sign of nerves was them being able to perform movement with their lims 1:00
"Lims"
"Double-act"? Was expecting Reeves and Mortimer for a second there
That would be double crapped
"Hello Dragons. We're here to ask for 100k pounds in exchange for 5% in our animatronic hand lion business."
Oh god that pun at the end 🙄
MusicControl dissolved in 2019. Not a bad run.
We are like Spotify.
-Umm... What's Spotify?
Artists don’t make money from Spotify, it’s virtually free
@@adamrandles4055 no they do make money. It's somewhere around $0.083 per hit.
Fast forward to 2022 where most companies run on software they don't own on servers they don't own and noone appears to have much of a problem with it.
To be fair, non-IT companies not owning any software is the norm. It's very rare on the other hand to find companies whose business model is software for them not to own that software. Servers are just infrastructure, only hardware companies own and manufacture servers to other companies though.
I love how every time they show the windows (1:06) there's a raging storm outside.
Next up into the Den... We have the confident, positive & very enthusiastic entrepreneur who's looking to reach a deal with one of the business tycoons.....
*Rachel - "You suck"
Chris should be the one to assist as “software” guy
I wonder if they’re extra brutal when they’re going out just for tv, or if they’re always a-holes like that. Like if you’re 100% out then just say it, you don’t have to say “it’s ridiculous, I’m out I’m not interested, you don’t have a product, etc”
"It's like Christopher Wren and St Paul's Cathedral". Great analogy, actually - Christopher Wren got the glory, and St Paul's Cathedral got the customers. But you guys were there to pitch as a "Christopher Wren" when the money was going to go to the cathedral.
This was ahead of its time.
This definitely was not filmed in HD.
Duncan has got the old singer sowing machine treatmenton the pate since this was aired.
I thought it was difficult to know if Duncan was out or not...
This is another easel pitch that doesn't receive an investment. At the end, the entrepreneur was shaken not stired.
they were right about it one day being a big hit but just not those guys. Their entire pitch was for Spotify, except the guys who made Spotify knew what they were doing
Still very brave to come there and stand there in front of them and the cameras. Don't be afraid of embarrassment guys or have fear of failure. Scientific research shows that people are a lot unhappier about the things that they didn't do, than they are about the mistakes they made while they were doing things. So don't shy away from making a fool of yourself when you try to do new things. Do them anyway and you will become even stronger than you were before.
Shaken, not deterred - brilliant
Nearly stacked it on the way in.
You know your not getting investment when you start by falling up the stairs . . . .
These guys invented an early DistroKid, before DistroKid was even born. Way ahead of their time.
Man's got to eat, Bird's got to fly, Product's gonna to be redundant
'Shaken, but not deterred'. That's how I drink it too.
This could’ve been the start of millions potentially billions if they had developed and owned unique software.. Back in those days they could easily have run that for a couple of years and someone like a Yahoo would’ve bought it for millions if it’d done well.
Andy Charrington nice, so did it get sold in the end?
Wow they just cut Rachel off LOL
“Shaken but not da turd”- British man after not securing investment.
Does anyone else get strong “Jen from the IT crowd” vibes from Rachel?
lmfao, i had to pause and read the comments after that initial trip at 0:10
So foresight by the guys if you look back from today
Doesn't matter when this was aired, not having developers as the primary shareholders is going to fail every time in this market.
Ideas are a dime a dozen, software is 99% about design and writing the code.
0:27 make way for the King
website shut down and domain name for sale.
I would argue that it matters very much who owns the software.
i like the part where they say Whos the software guy that wrote all this stuff?? XD another great drogons den episode
Anyone else notice that they filmed this episode in what I assume is a hurricane?
Rachel fully mocked it at the end 😂🤣🤣🤣
LOL why would they get the most nervous guy who can't remember anything to do the talking.
when you rush to seek and investor without thinking properly of the product.
These guys are not Angel Investors, they are VC styled investors hence the name Dragons.