CANUTE IS HIM??!!! | VINLAND SAGA - EPISODE 18 | New Anime Fan! | REACTION
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that is the reason why AoT and Vinland Saga are the top recommendation to anime newbies. They feel like animated shows - while Vinland Saga has even historical background and no supernatural elements. They are the easiest to get into as "normies"
I think the conversation about love vs. discrimination is incredibly important here... and there's a reason why it keeps switching back and forth, from Canute and Willibard's conversation, to Thorfinn and Thorkell's battle. earlier, during episode 12, I had mentioned that the priest was trying to describe the concept of "agape," or altruistic love. and that kind of love is very hard to truly imagine. it's not that unusual to think of ourselves first, and others second. what the priest lays out here is sort of like a pathway from selfish love, to unselfish love.
in the case of Ragnar, he would prioritize Canute and his well being over all else. he would let others die in order to ensure that Canute could live. he would kill another person himself, if it meant protecting Canute. but it's not as though other people are less capable of feeling fear for themselves, or grief for their loved ones. each and every one of those villagers considered their own lives and families to be important. Ragnar simply couldn't consider these people as equals if he wanted to protect Canute... and so he allowed them to come to harm, as if they mattered less. prioritizing like that is discrimination.
and when you take that discrimination to its logical extreme, you get someone like Thorfinn. his father was killed... just one man. and for the sake of this one person who was so important to him, Thorfinn embarks on a years long quest, sowing violence and destruction, killing countless people, and becoming the villain in other people's tragedies... and he considers it all to be justified if he can kill the one guy that bears responsibility in his mind. prioritizing like that is discrimination.
it puts the spotlight on how Thorfinn has always thought of his anger toward Askeladd as proof of the depth of his love for his father. but his father wouldn't have even wanted this. he wasn't the type of man who would put himself on a pedestal, and consider himself more important than other people. even men who positioned themselves as his enemies still received his compassion, whether they understood it or not.
Thorfinn's pursuit of Askeladd isn't for Thors... Thors is dead. it's not like Thorfinn can protect anyone or build anything this way. no... Thorfinn has done all of this, the entire time, just to soothe his own frustration over the fact that Askeladd was able to get away with what he did. but what does that matter? like, truly, now that Thorfinn has killed so many people, and caused the exact same frustration that he's had to live with, for so many others... what changes if Askeladd dies? just as many people lay dead in the wake of what Thorfinn has joined Askeladd in doing, and all of them probably mattered to someone at least as much as Thors mattered to Thorfinn.
the more deeply Thorfinn feels his own grief, the more acutely he should know what he's owed, if his own standards apply to himself.
agape encompasses the idea of empathizing with others, and understanding that they're capable of experiencing the exact same emotions as you, with just as much complexity as you. Thors understood this. when he defeated Askeladd's men without taking a single life, it's because he understood that each person in Askeladd's crew was just as alive as he was, and he wasn't willing to take on the debt of bitterness that his actions would inspire. and additionally, Thors used to do a similar amount of killing to what these men do. he couldn't treat those men as though they had any less potential to make the same realizations that he did. not without forsaking himself by the same logic. this is a type of love that does not discriminate based on familiarity.
when Thors said "you have no enemies" what he meant was that, with enough determination, you can step into any situation with the intent to do no harm. violence is a cycle unless you break it... sometimes it has to be you who stops it first. now that Thorfinn has killed this much, any one of his victims could step forward and demand his death with the same emotion that he's had toward Askeladd for the majority of his life. they'd have every right, and they'd have no incentive to understand all the extenuating circumstances that caused Thorfinn to turn out this way. we know how it happened, because we've been watching. but would a person that Thorfinn has harmed have any reason to find out?
and yet, this discrimination feels like an inescapable part of the specificity of care, for the people you know and love. god's love doesn't discriminate at all. as Canute observes... the sun is warm, the snow is cold, and you'll feel that whether you're good or evil. if you consider these to be god's gifts to man, then god doesn't pick and choose who receives them. and this leaves Canute to grapple with the notion that god has set humanity up with an impossible task. to love without bias or preference feels too detached... as though it isn't really love at all. it may only be achievable in death... which Willibard notes as the perfect form of impartiality. what good are god's gifts to mankind, if human beings can only know true peace in death?
passion and specificity exist in all human beings... that's _why_ peace is the hardest goal to pursue in life. it's the toughest battle you could possibly pick, especially given what we've seen so far. it's not just a fight between you and your enemies... but a fight within your own self. to understand empathy and compassion, even for people you don't know, while still loving in the way that humans do. to let those two things temper each other constantly, and develop a mind that can strategize around that conflicting interest. it's not impossible, it's just incredibly difficult. but Thors had his eyes set toward his daughter's future when he left a life of war behind him, Askeladd once knew to dream of Avalon and the story of Artorius, Canute's goal is to create Utopia on earth, and Thorfinn can still recall the tale of Vinland. they all still know, somewhere deep within themselves, what a worthy goal would really be. there is nothing harder than protecting something fragile in a world like this, but if you can find it within yourself to make that struggle... that's what makes you a legend.
and I think, just before he died, Thors might've actually figured it out. he really was a true warrior.
Greek person here, well done for knowing about agape!
I'm uncertain if you said this or if it was another comment I read on this episode, but I saw someone say the question of "What is a true warrior?" and "What is the true meaning of love?" are the same question, which sheds light even further on the jumping back and forth between Thorfinn and Canute's fights. It also lends clarity to my own commentary on the ways we have seen Thors embody both answers.
Brilliant analysis, again. ^.^ I love reading your commentary that I have to voice it again, haha.
@@ανδρεας-θ6ρ thank you, I'm glad to have picked up on it... it's super important for understanding the themes of this part. ^_^
I want to passionately kiss you, big dawg
@@thatxavianxfeline723 I don't think I had ever phrased it in quite that way myself, but that is definitely something I agree with. both of these are such similarly difficult questions, and they feel like two sides of the same coin. to love is to favor someone or something disproportionately to the rest of the world... and all of us have that capacity within us. but if we prosper at someone else's expense, can we not assume that our own downfall would be fair play, if someone were to ruin us in return? and when people threaten us with nothing more than the impartial pursuit of better things for themselves... how may we protect the things that we love? can we do it without creating enemies? isn't that the greatest possible way to love, in the long term? to do no harm, so that the ones most beloved to us will have no one's retribution to fear? this may not guarantee the absence of harm forever... but to care is also a human instinct. is there a way to cultivate that in opposition to violence?
these questions are so stuck together that they really are the same topic entirely. it'll be so interesting to get to the developments that happen in season 2!
also, once again, thank you for finding me in the comments, it's always nice to see you here. ^_^
The whole "love" thing is tricky to understand, but you have to keep on mind that both Canute and the priest are CHRISTIANS, so they're talking about that utopic love that Jesus professed, you know the whole "love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek"... Or "I have no enemies".
It's just a big parallel between Jesus and Thors.
This kind of love is called Agapé, it's one of the "four loves" which is a recently quite popular concept in Christian philosophy.
Eros - romantic love, being in love with someone, carnal lust
Philia - platonic love between friends, brotherly love
Storge - protective, parental love
Agapé - unconditional love towards everyone, the kind fully embodied by Jesus being tortured and dying for the sins of humanity
Agapé is what the priest is so fixated on, seeing all other loves as inferior, lacking the all-encompassing perfection of agapé. This is why he was so shook when the viking brothers in Askeladd's band described Thors to him. Thors, if you haven't noticed, is a massive Jesus parallel in this show.
Yeah just to add to your explanation. Jesus loved everyone equally, man or woman, friend or enemy, sinner or saint, he did not discrimitate, to the point that he knew about Judas' betrayal, Paul's doubts and loved them nonetheless and did nothing to prevent his own death, he loved us to point of suffering for us. The priest is not saying that death is love, but that humans are so lacking in this kind of love that, only in death, we stop discriminating about who is deserving of love and redemption and who isn't we're quick to pass judgement.
Another figure that has a similar teaching would be Buddha, who had a student spit on him and calling him a fraud, since he ( the student) was unable to reach enlightenment even after years of dedication, and when his other students revolted against the disrespect he quelled the commotion and said it is fine since that was his karma.
And then Thors who even having the skills to murder every single soldier in his wake to protect his family and friends, chose not to discriminate, and instead sacrificed his own life to save all others, much like Jesus did. Thats why the priest was so obsessed with him.
Anyways thats just my reading
Yeah, I think Priest thinks about Thors not killing his opponents while defending his loved one and parallels it with Ragnar lowkey allowing Askeladd to execute those people in the village *for* Canute.
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After watching season 2 I started seeing this scene in a different light. Canute struggling to find a way to build a peaceful world in the most awkward ways ("hey, let's kill everyone on this farm, but don't mutilate the bodies, it's disrespectful") gives this scene slight comedic undertones. Priest is also drunk and still spiteful because he was the only one who really tried to save those villagers. Just because there's epic music playing on the background doesn't mean you should take everything 100% seriously. These two have their own things going on their heads. Makes this scene even better.
Love = ketil love arnheid. goddamn never relate so much to a character. i love my wife
Ah true!
That moment at the end of the episode where Canute throws his cloak aside is the FIRST time you ever see that he has a sword. We see his sword at precisely the moment that he finally knows what it's for. It's incredible.
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19:00 Discrimination is not a bad thing, discriminating is not necessarily a negative word, it is the same as differentiating. The love discussed in Vinland Saga is Christian love, the search for the real meaning of the word love. The ability to care equally about everyone around you, whether strangers or acquaintances. Nowadays, the word love is often used for different occasions, such as “loving your children”, “loving your wife”, “loving your friends” and so on, but instinctively, we know that in each sentence the word love will have weights. different, after all you will never “love” a friend the same way you love your children.
1 John 4:20 "If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen."
Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
Still while discrimination isn't a bad thing, it is still a matter of benefiting more from 'caring' for one more than another whether that would be from getting back happiness or even thinking of that persons happiness as your own. It really is a difficult thing to converse about, still i think love would not be achievable by the living since only thing they have or can have is a matter of choice, since you have a choice you are egotistical because you act through you self
One of my top 5 episodes in all vinlamd saga! Canute's speech, his change, it's so good!
Really is incredibly well done!!
Canute was raised in Denmark. Swans aren't indigenous to the UK, they're all across Europe...
I was impressed by Luke knowing this fact randomly until I googled it. XD
Luke keeps saying stuff like this lol, where he either believes that animals were unique to the UK, or that they were unique to the rest of Europe and didn't exist in the UK.
He was also surprised to see wolves in the UK.
The truth is that there's barely any difference in the species that exist in the UK and that exist in the rest of Europe, just about every animal that exists in one exists in the other too, the channel isn't big enough to keep them from having crossed over at some point in time.
@@snapgab Wolves don't live in the UK now, but that's only because they were hunted to extinction on the island. So he's half right on that one, but during the age of the Vikings, wolves would've definitely been in Britain.
biplanes can fly.
@@snapgab Its not even channel thing. There was land connecting (now island) Great Britain and The Netherlands called Doggerland.
A lot of people give this episode flack because Canute's change is too abrupt. And honestly it is. But you have to keep in mind that this moment is supposed to parallel having a religious experience. And coupled with grief and trauma it's not really a stretch that someone could have an intense emotional experience that'll change the way they view things
I think it made a lot of sense. He finally found a purpose in life, after spending his whole life just kinda moping about the futility of it all. Makes sense that this comes with an improved sense of confidence.
And yeah, like you said it's also a parallel to having a religious experience. (Even though, funnily enough, he sorta ends up rejecting God's authority in this scene.)
I loved the change. Canute had so much build up, the payoff HAD to be grand. And it's not like he suddenly pulled everything out of his ass, he was smart and charismatic all along. He just had no confidence in his ability to make decisions and use what he has - now he has cast that away as he realised he has nothing to lose.
Oh it absolutely is just out of nowhere BUT I didn't feel at all that it didn't make sense 💯
i never read the manga so i was expecting this change to happen in the later seasons when he becomes Canute the Great. didnt expect him to be so feminine in this series and thought it was an interesting decision. thr change is very well done and feels momentous.
This philosophical, profound and beautiful episode is one of my favorites. The conversation between the priest and the prince is very interesting. "Love" is discrimination. Yes, the "love" we have for our family and friends means giving special priority to certain people. It is the opposite of philanthropy. In other words, we sometimes think it is right to exclude, attack, or even abandon others in order to protect and favor someone important to us. And sometimes it even justifies murder and war. It is never a bad thing. It's a natural human emotion, and a beautiful thing. But at the same time, it is our ugliness and sin.
Thanks god there's people who understand this.
The episode where a princess becomes a king 👑
Our beautiful best girl king 🫡
Greek person here! I hear many people in the comments using the word agape which is still used in Greece to this day yet not in the way that love is explained in this episode. When i watched it i became ecstatic for some days, it was so brilliant though nihilistic and difficult to agree with yet something clicked so true like a piece of an evergoing puzzle. It's truly a brilliant episode
Your understanding of "love" is egoistic. Priest's understanding of love is altruistic.
Your love is "how to make my object of love happy". Priest's love is "how to make every people happy".
It's just two different conceptions.
I'm not saint people to blame someone, but I'm kind of agree with him. It's just beautiful to realise in which world we could live if we're thinking like priest.
🤔 I definitely would not say my way of love is egoistic (self-centred the dictionary meaning).
As my way of understanding love is the complete opposite of self-centred, it is giving your entire self over to something.
@@GOTGames Well yeah, but it's choosing to give your entire self over only to something that you yourself personally care about, that's still self-centered when you compare it to giving your entire self over to people in general, including people that you've never met and likely never will meet, but who's lives you can still change by being a better person.
@@snapgab exactly what im trying to explain. Maybe it's difficult thing for him to realize.
Sorry my guy, but the swan is a national symbol of Denmark too. Also, Canute the Great has finally awoken. Top three danish monarchs, at his peak one of the 5 most powerful people on earth. A truly interesting person in most regards and one of the great what ifs of history.
Luke hasn't figured out who Canute is yet. No need to say all that yet
@@Ash_Wen-li I thought the video title confirmed alluded to it.
Canute ➡️ Knut the "real" name. It's similar but I feel like Luke is watching Vinland Saga with Vikings as references, we're way ahead, probably the Valhalla series, but in a "better" context....Canute just went to the "real" characteristics of the "Knut" one, a true King, very intelligent, made lots of things and became a Legend... The thing is that if Luke look too much he gets "Spoiled" but if he uses Vikings and Valhalla as references then he will just find himself confused... luckily we don't know how things are right now 👀
@CrossriderBankai23 ohh I'm danish I know the right spellings, but Luke won't know what we mean if we begin throwing around words like tveskæg and such.
@@deangoldenstar7997 true.
Random but interesting fact canute's voice actor is floch's voice actor in attack on titan
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The idea that human love is discrimination isn't that absurd actually. Christians believe that only God can love properly and indiscriminately. The priest is not even saying it's bad, it's just different from PURE love.
Remember also that the priest in the previous episode said "God, if you love good and bad men equally, what's the point? I doubt your love..."
He isn't saying earthly love is bad; he's trying to understand godly love.
No it is discrimination, you just have been conditioned to see discrimination as ONLY a bad thing.
If you think Person A will do a better job at fixing your car then Person B, you've practiced descrimination.
We only think its a problem when either we discriminate based off foolish metrics or with the level of discrimination.
While not agreeing with his overall philosophy, I personally also like how Thomas Hobbes defines love. "If lust is to desire something you don't have, then love must be to appreciate what you do have."
I do like the way Vinland Saga presents love as something conditionless, but people aren't capable of being kind to everyone equally. So nature and the universe at large is the closest thing to love, leaning toward an almost pantheist view of god.
It is really interesting still since god as said by the Christians has a lot to do with death, if you would take it further, he must be dead as so as he is love itself then he is dead
"but people aren't capable of being kind to everyone equally." which is LITERALLY Knut's point. Like that's what the show is saying too. Mankind *cannot* love that way because we are fundamentally tribalistic group, and as long as people are capable of loving one person at the expense of others, which will be ALWAYS, then war and violence will remain. Which is also... always.
The love they are referring to is what Christians refer to as unconditional love or godly love. To care for one despite background, sin, rank etc etc. Biblically unachievable by human beings since the eating of the fruit in the Garden of Eden (hence the apple motif).
Ragnar, while he cared for Canute, allowed for the slaughter of villagers is apart from unconditional love, since he ranked Canute's life as more important than the villagers, and was indifferent to their deaths... hence discrimination. Hence why the priest was taken aback by being told about Thors, who was said to defeat the veterans in Askeladd's party, but refusing to take their lives.
17:00 spot on - this anime has some of the most gorgeous still shots out there
Also its valid that the idea of filial love as discrimination isn't true for everyone, but it suits Canute perfectly. As someone who is crushed by the loss of the only love he ever had, understanding that love comes from somewhere else is what lifts him out of his grief. The image of the apple likely symbolizes his attainment of knowledge that forces him to leave innocence (the garden of Eden) behind.
0:30 wait till you see more anime that are different from the traditional anime style of storytelling
like Kino's Journey, Sonny boy, Odd taxi, etc...
Yeah, Vinland Saga is the tip of the iceberg for "non-anime" anime. Monster and Legend of the Galactic Heroes being other big examples too
I think that what they wanted to say about love is difference between conditional and unconditional love. Unconditional love gives everyone the same thing. Nature affects everything in the same way only those who are affected cope with it with different proficiency.
Conditional love leads to preferring one thing over another. In word with limited resources and lifespan people will fall in conflicts over things they conditionally love.
If a person would completely unconditionally love it wouldn't matter what happens to them because they would welcome every outcome in the same manner.
Canute reborn on this episode, Askeladd expectations exceed what he was plotting, his gamble was to make Canute a true King, someone like Artorius, but this change isn't just simple, there's a lot of layers, each one is been ripped off over and over again, this is why I have been saying Askeladd was gambling a lot, he changed after meeting with Canute, he wasn't happy to know the prince was just weak and fragile, but he wanted to push him to become the true King, a real leader, Askeladd can't be a King himself because of his history, all of the things he went through, the killings, everything, he wanted to make a great man of someone, but you will eventually know who's Askeladd talking about.
One of my all time favorite episodes. Really gave me a good relook into life for a perspective change
Me too, i was in ecstasy for some days after
in his way the priest is right about Ragnar's love for Canute being discrimination as he lets 62 innocent be killed for the safety of canute. He discriminated against those 62 lives for the single life of canute. the priest's definiton of love is like Jesus Christ's unconditional love, equal for everyone, good or bad people.
I want to say in a religious context that all love is selfish in some way outside of God's love.
Also I googled your Swan knowledge and you might be mistaken unless you can clarify what you mean? You also need to add the context of the time period this takes place in.
Oh no, I was just totally wrong about the swan 😂
@@GOTGames You said it with such confidence I believed you!
There is only one answer to "What is love?"
"Baby don't hurt me"
With the transition of Canute, I am pretty sure that the opening is spoiler free now
I think the love the priest is trying to say is Enduring and sharing.
I say this every time, but can we just stop and appreciate the OST to this series?? My god, its so good!
But yeah, Canute has finally grown up! He is on his path! You love to see it!
Oh and before I forget, last week's episode.... Who the hell just PUNCHES a horse?!?! Full charge, just punch right to the horse's chest! Someone go check on that horse!
Luke doesn't know what discrimination means.
21:26 If someone said "What is love? My answer would be "Baby dont hurt me"
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The so called "miracle" in this episode it actually has an interesting background. People who studies history a bit more than the usual know that the medieval christian kings were believed to have thaumaturgical (special, kinda magical, healing) powers. Kings were crowned by God's will and through them divine power could manifest just with the touch of their hand. Commoners believed they could get cured simply by being touched by theirs kings hand.
Canute is Christian and his touch heals Bjorn's berserker status. This cannot be a coincidence.
8:27 swans are *not* indigenous to the UK, they were imported because a king liked them, then they made a law to protect them from poachers
0:34 Anime are TV shows. They are made for Japanese TV broadcasters.
4:32 Yes
8:11 No, in Denmark
12:26 It was shown. Priest Willibald, Prince Canute and Ragnar prayed for villagers next to their grave.
18:40 I see logic behind that line.
5:55 to 29:40 What a change in opinion.
It might be difficult to define love as you said but I think we can start by defining what is not love, I guess by narrowing the cases we could be able to find a common definition for love.
To me love is the inability to hate someone
Like some people no matter how hard you try you just cannot hate
However true love is the ability to be unable to hate anyone equally
The love they are taking about IMO, is true love that don't discriminate, God's love to his creations. Which no human can ever achieve as we are naturally selfish beings.
The love the priest is referring to is basically the greek idea of agape. Honestly I kinda feel like maybe they should have just used the word agape but a lot of people aren't familiar with the term. Agape is basically a term referring to unconditional love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God". The word is not to be confused with philia (brotherly love), philautia (self-love), eros (romantic love), or storge (familial love) as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance. According to 1 Timothy it comes "out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned". It goes beyond just the emotions to the extent of seeking the best for others. Within Christianity, agape is considered to be the love originating from God or Christ for humankind. In the New Testament, it refers to the covenant love of God for humans, as well as the human reciprocal love for God; the term necessarily extends to the love of one’s fellow humans, as the reciprocal love between God and humans is made manifest in one’s unselfish love of others. Also when talking about nature it's not just about the fact that trees and snow hold no malice but also that nature and man both are part of God's creation and from the priest's perspective we should love and accept ALL of god's creation including our fellow man. It's also Canute's belief that our inability to achieve truly unconditional love for all creation is a result of original sin in the garden of eden and that God is cruel to task humanity with an impossible goal, so he aims to create his own paradise.
21:26 Wanna know what is love? Baby don't hurt me... don't hurt me... no more
the Cinematography of Vinland Saga is top tier
We're getting closer and closer to season2 I cant waaaait
There are actually a fair amount of anime with "no main characters" though. I think you've even seen some of them.
I think that the idea of striving towards universal love is really beautiful. Doesn't mean that "discriminatory" love can't be beautiful too, I think that there's a way to kind of create a synthesis between the two forms of love.
I think that the main thing that can make "discriminatory" forms of love come across as being kind of disgusting, is when there's too much contrast between how you treat those you have a personal bond with, and those you don't have a personal bond with.
Like the example that the Priest gave, about caring for your King but then turning around and whipping a slave half to death, or like Ragnar standing by and watching 62 innocent villagers get slaughtered just because doing otherwise would've endangered Canute. (Not to mention the countless other civilians that have died over the course of this war.)
I always feel this way about real-life dictators and such, and I don't think I'm alone in this, when I see stories that suggest that a murderous dictator responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people seemed to have a genuinely loving relationship with their wife or their children or whatever, then it almost makes me even more disgusted by them, because then it shows the degree to which they "discriminated". They loved their own children, and their own wife, their own siblings, they understood what that kind of love feels like, what it felt like to grieve when those people died, yet they didn't hesitate to order the deaths of millions of wives and husbands, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters.
It'd almost be better if those dictators were just pure monsters incapable of loving anyone, it'd somehow seem less disgusting than when they "discriminate" to such an extreme degree, by picking and choosing who they love and who they treat with absolute callousness.
Truly loving everyone equally probably isn't feasible for an ordinary mortal human being, but what I think IS feasible is to have a certain baseline level of love, where you view even the lowliest slave and the poorest leper as people deserving of compassion and of happiness, instead of engaging in extreme tribalism where you love some and treat others like they're garbage.
What is Love? Love is subjective to its context. What does that mean, you ask? I define love in the same manner that the Greeks did, in that there are four kinds of love. First, there is Philia (or phileo, depending on if you are a potato or patahto kind of person) which is the love shown by friends. It is a bond created by shared experiences causing us to feel a warmth & contentment in the presence of another person. Second, there is Eros which is the love shown in romantic relationships. It is demonstrated by our passion & intimacy with another person. Third, there is Storge which is the love shown between family members. It is demonstrated by a strong desire to protect a relative when experiencing hardships or trials. Finally, there is Agape. Agape is Principled love, or Selfless love. this kind of love motivates someone to do, or not do, something for the benefit of someone else. An example of this would be a politian knows his party wants to take an action that will negatively impact his constituents. He openly opposes the action & sees it thwarted causing him to lose his standing in the party, but ensuring his constituents are not harmed by that proposed action. ALL of these are love, which means there is no single definition for love; so in the end, what is love? Love is an adverb used to define certain human interactions.
Ey Luke, before you make a revisit on Overlord op and eds. It's about time to revisit Frieren OP and EDs first 😅
0:40 it makes sense don’t worry
Love is the same as like it’s just a stronger verb 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Opening suggestions:
1. The Big O, "Big O! The Show Must Go On!"- ua-cam.com/video/mgQVL5RG0DU/v-deo.html
2. Mobile Suit Gundam, all openings
3. Moriarty the Patriot, "Dying Wish" & "Twisted Hearts" by Tasuku Hatanaka-
op1: ua-cam.com/video/4REhyrzmEkk/v-deo.html op2: ua-cam.com/video/oa6ZwOjb2Q4/v-deo.html
4. Samurai Champloo, "Battlecry" by Nujabes- ua-cam.com/video/qDzod6Voe44/v-deo.html
5. Metallic Rouge, "Rouge" by Yu-ka- ua-cam.com/video/lnDUYan0a88/v-deo.html
-Anime Movie ost suggestion:
1. Jin Roh- The Wolf Brigade, "Omega Grace" by Hajime Mizoguchi- ua-cam.com/video/LpVNNC52Q_o/v-deo.html
22:14 We probably lost it when we lost Thorkell
This is one of the moments that made me read the manga, just to get a more accurate representation of the dialogue/philosophy. It gets lost a bit in translation in the anime.
Love your reaction!
Canute character development be like :
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Aw, I’d hope you think deeper about love vs discrimination philosophy
Canute's change is the ONE complaint that I have about the story of Vinland Saga... It seems so abrupt and like he's a completely different person. I understand that it technically makes sense for the moment, but it just almost feels silly to me, lol. I also can't say that I care for the philosophy that he gained... But, like I said, that's the only thing that I personally don't care for!
Also, I would say that my definition of love is closer to the actual Christian view, and that is that true love is an action. A deliberate choice. A sacrifice. Of course, this can most clearly be seen in our belief that God became man, lived among us and went through the same crap that we do, let himself be tortured and killed, and finally rose from the dead basically just to prove our worth to Him... But for our purposes, let's look smaller at the love between spouses. Some might call the throes of lust and passion "love," but I think sacrificial love is best expressed when the honeymoon is long over and you are annoyed with each other, and yet still do the dishes because... you love them, lol. Or, even more poignant, what about a couple who have been together for nearly half a decade, are certainly not attractive anymore (by our society's messed up standards, at least), who's memory is fading, in pain, etc. One deals patiently with the other's memory, while they push the former's wheelchair. THAT is sacrificial love, or "willing the good of the other." In theory, we should be able to love unconditionally and do this same thing for EVERYONE, but we don't live in that kind of world. We're not perfect. But, we do the best we can. Canute is close to this idea, but taking things waaaaay too far! 😂
I think it's more so he's riding off the high of his experience and newfound ideology. Later on in the season he's still a bit soft. Still quick though.
18:45 The priest was looking for someone who could embody true love, that is, the kind of love that you give without any conditions, the kind of love that it is said that God gives. For instance, you love your family, but could you love other people the same way? Given what he has gone through, the priest does not believe that human beings are capable of such love. On a counter argument, you could argue that, by forming attachments to family and friends, humans are able to learn to love. For instance, one could easily ignore the suffering of mothers who lost their children to gun violence, but once that happens to you and you experience it, you are able to understand what those who lost their children before you felt. Of course, there are degrees to this, and you don't really need to lose things to empathize with others if someone taught you how to have empathy to others, but not everyone has had someone in their life to teach them this. However, I think it is true that, at least in the collective, there does not seem to be the kind of love the priest describes in humanity, as there are still wars, hunger, and other things like this to be found in the world, and there does not seem to be any solution to many of these in sight since the roots of these problems often come from greed, distrust, and tribalism.
32:26 I like where your mind is at, but you will still have to wait.
CANUTE IS THE GOAT
Love is a chemical reaction that living beings experience as pleasant, which arises to ensure the continuation of the species, be it through reproduction and protection of the offspring or fighting for the close group or the species itself.
And yet the priest here talks about the greek word agape that is meant to have a meaning closer to something beyond the chemical reactions
wait i wanna go to the moon, sorry man gotta unsubscribe
also, I think in general, the apple here represents the acquisition of transformative knowledge. if the way Ragnar raised Canute was an extreme form of "discrimination" as the priest put it, wherein Ragnar would shelter and coddle Canute, and reject the presence of anything that could potentially bring him harm, then Canute's childhood could be likened to Eden... an idyllic paradise, given to him by his father who loves him, which can now only exist in Canute's memory... because he's awakened to all of the things Ragnar had been sheltering him from, this entire time. the pristine childhood Ragnar gave him was an expression of care, but it was also an uneven distribution of privilege. it is very uncommon for anyone else in the world to live that way.
and now Canute has this contrast in his mind. an ideal version of life, which he has experienced... and the cold, hard, brutally violent reality that most people have no choice but to contend with. Canute's concern is beginning to extend to a population of people. he's starting to ponder systemic solutions to the state of the world. he's beginning to think like a king.
I think it also had to do with adam and Eve having tasted knowledge as Canute will have done from now on
@@ανδρεας-θ6ρ I think you're exactly right... having grown up sheltered, Canute's main defensive mechanism this whole time has been to disengage. now that he's chosen to face the world as it is, he'll start handling things his way. his innocence is over.
What is love?
Baby, don't hurt me...
Don't hurt me...
No more.
baby don't hurt anyone
The only correct answer
The real answer!
I think you didn't get the meaning of love. Well, it can be subjective, but what Vinland saga is portraying love is like:
1) when the two brothers asked the priest about the meaning of love and that they both trust each other and will die for each other, so is it love? The priest then asked them if they could die for other people as well, and they both refused and said why should we die for other people. So according to the priest, this was not love but discrimination, as stated in today's episode. In that same episode when the priest got to know that Thors didn't kill a single man while fighting, he stated that this is love because Thors wasn't discriminating against anyone and was treating everybody the same.
2) Also, when Canute said snow, sky, fog, etc., is love, the priest agreed to it because snow doesn't discriminate that it will only fall over this person and not others. The sky doesn't say that it belongs to a particular person; it belongs to everyone. So what the snow and sky are doing is true love.
And you know when Thorkell said, "You are strong but lack swordsmanship," and also said that he also lacks something and he could learn it from Thorfin as he is Thor's child and then Thorkell proceeds to ask, "Who is a true warrior," which we already know when Thor's said to Thorfin, "a true warrior doesn't need swords." This statement alone contradicts Thorkell, and what he lacks is not being a true warrior.
i don't know if i can make the priest's perspective understandable, but his argument about discrimination is a simple, cold logic: that people don't unconditionally treat everyone the same way; if your emotion is something that differs towards even one recipient, he will call that discrimination (which is, by definition, correct)
that perspective comes from his definition of love: it should be as unconditional and uncompromising as death, and as universal as matter itself--love can be expressed towards anything at any time, and by his ideal, this is how all mankind should be
and that ideal comes from his lifetime of study in the teachings of jesus, which i don't think i need to explain lol
i love how the priest regained his wavering faith in god by watching canute get so fed up with the 'loveless' world of man as to renounce god entirely (seeing canute's 'enlightenment' and expression of 'love' towards bjorn as a miracle)
oh and grain of salt to all the above, as an anime-only who hasn't seen season 2
I think season 2 will support your analysis.
You’ll understand what love is when ur older Luke don’t worry
But In all honesty I think love is what they said is hard to explain cause well like you said love is very subjective but if we’re talking love love is unconditional so that would mean giving your EVERYTHING TO someone else even your life if that’s what it came down to no complains that’s is love but for humans is only achievable thought death it seems
Canute's new worldview is quite fascinating, because it's this sort of optimistic nihilism. He says there's no paradise awaiting for humans, that God left mankind with no meaning - but then he says that *they* will build the meaning themselves, their own paradise on earth.
See, we can't fly anymore because we lost the Thorkell launcher
"Is it my favorite anime ending song ?"
I don't know man... there's another Milet ending you and we all like, and it almost made you cry after every Frieren episodes 😅
It's not "his" faith it's christianity which teaches us to love our enemies, which is very far from loving your friends and family, it's quite the opposite because those enemies presumably wanna hurt those you "love". Hence the difference between discirimination and "love". To love everything is love
18:40 I initially had the same reaction as you to this moment, but my opinion has changed a lot over the course of this series. I think the priest is saying that the love he searches for is the appreciation of all life in equal measure; I think this is embodied perfectly in both the incident with the slave in Episode 1 and in Thors' unwillingness to kill Askeladd. Askeladd was out to kill Thors, but Thors saw his life as valuable nonetheless. He knew the Love the priest spoke of, and he embodied it perfectly.
For me, I have come to believe that true unconditional love would look like this. I feel that it's a concept we aren't in touch with today, and it's one of the reasons I love this anime so much. I hope you'll come to appreciate it too!
Stellar reaction, as always. Thank you for your work. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
in relation to this: I love the part where Atli and Torgrim tell the priest about their encounter with Thors, the man who defeated everyone but killed no one, and Willibard instantly recognizes this quality. the capability to harm, but the discernment to show restraint... the ability to find that worthwhile. it's a level of consideration that the rest of these men won't do. but it's not that they can't. and I think that's a key part of why Thors does what he does as well. all of these men are capable of better, and who knows what might someday give them a reason to try? for Thors, it was Ylva, but there are any number of catalysts that could do the trick.
I think a key part of de-escalation, and conflict resolution, is a belief that both sides are worthy of walking away from the conflict with a solution that is acceptable to them. it may be difficult to have compassion for their perspective, but your bias can cause the whole thing not to work. and the one thing that I think Vinland Saga truly venerates, above all else, is the power of a truly effective mediator.
@@kamuyking551 I completely agree with that! Seeing Willibard in their faces craving more knowledge about Thors always makes my heart skip a beat; at first, it was out of alarm, but now it's out of understanding and excitement about reaching this point in the story. Excellent writing for the story, and excellent analysis once again. :3
@@thatxavianxfeline723 thank you, and also, I hugely agree about Willibard's moment there. truly, it's a testament to how different this show is on a rewatch... Makoto Yukimura really knows how to build a story that rewards you for re-examining it.
tbh, that's also a great subtle message: sometimes your perception of things changes when you gain new information, and understand people in the full context of their lives. I love that the series carries themes of forgiveness for people who have done wrong, but then the writing also rewards this complementary practice of learning and adjusting for the audience.
Bro attained Conquerer's Haki
I want you to get to chapter 24, it will surprise you.
You are such an amazing reactor and you are really bringing out the best of this series for me again! So thank you! Im so happy you live this show like i do and so many others
Appreciate the kind words!! Thank you
I was screaming the same thing "treat his damn wounds" 😂😂😂
Swans are in Denmark......
19:50 No you're misunderstanding what he's saying
He's referring to unconditional love and that true love only exists in the equal treatment of all humans
Discrimination here was technically the correct translation for 差別 but "differentiation" would be closer to the nuance of the word
He meant that by only loving certain people you're differentiating your treatment between different people
The priest basically says that true love means that you have no expectations from someone else and you still love everyone the same. No matter if they hate you, if they stole from you or if they are your siblings, parents, boss etc. True love doesn’t discriminate and makes no difference between people.
And Canute rightfully realizes that this is impossible. People will always judge and favour some people over others. So when god is saying that you should love everyone Canute realizes that this can’t ever work out. He is disappointed that he believed all his life in godand his word despite reaching gods „goal“ is impossible. Therefore he decides to create something resembling peace (through politics and therefore also violence) which may come closest to what god wants them to be (because people who live in peace are closer to loving everyone then people who are afraid, right?)
The thing about discrimination isn't as ridiculous as you make it out to be. Vinland Saga's interpretation is actually pretty tame compared to what's in the bible. Thors tells Thorfinn that he has no enemies, no one has and thus it's not right to hurt anyone. But the bible even says to 'love thy enemies'.
But it is unrealistic, that is why VS also has the solution: to die, to leave behind the knowledge and awareness of ourselves to return as a body to be a part of god's creation and for the soul to return to him. In christianity isn't the crucification of christ seen as an act of love because Jesus died for the sins of others and god sacrificed his son for the humans? In this light Thors was kind of a Jesus figure, because he protected his son and friends while at the same time not killing anyone and died for them. There is nothing more to give up for others than your life and he did. 'Death perfects a person' the parallel between how Thors lived and died and what the priest believes in are matched here.
At least that is my view on the whole belief. Of course it is still unrealistic and somewhat messed up and nihilistic, but it's fascinating seeing an anime tackle this philosophy.
The main reason that the priest knew of the exact number of the slain villagers, is because it is his job to pray for the souls of every person.
He may seem contrarian to his "role" at times, but he is still a priest.
Love imo is a super combination of a bunch of qualities such as respect, patient, forgiveness and so on
"the world is not beautiful therefore it is"
the reason this is why my favorite episode in this season, is because the character development of Canute. Vinland saga would have been totally different without Canute development.
I think a lot of the vision could be argued to not be them literally coming from beyond the grave to chat but just the characters making peace with them in their own minds, none of the characters we see in the vision ever give information that only they would know that the person having the vision doesn't also know or can figure out.
It's up to interpretation. But it definitely is a reference to the dead visiting in Viking lore
27:59 😂