canute's character development about to go 📈 i thought the priest and canute's talk about love was so interesting - i'd love to hear your thoughts about it in the comments! 🤔 also i just uploaded my reaction to s2 ep12 today over on patreon! check it out if you'd like early access or timer reactions patreon.com/alanamisako
what he means by discrimination = selective love, caring about a certain person in particular but not everyone equally whereas "true love" they refer to is selflessness, embodied by a dead body, that is exalted in its generosity and other virtues. "Death perfects a person" statement, is exemplified by Thors' death, his selfless sacrifice. the writing is stellar
The conversation in this episode might clarify something from a few episodes ago. While the vikings were taunting the priest and trying to get him to explain what love is, the two brothers suggested that their relationship might qualify and the priest asked something like "would this thing between you and your brother drive you to protect me or anyone else from danger" the vikings laughed at the absurdity, and the priest concluded that what the brothers have is not the love that he is talking about.
And he's right. We say that we "love" something when we *receive* love from it. "I love spaghetti". "Flowers love the sun". "Lions love gazelles". "I love you because you make me feel protected". It's all backwards. You don't get to say that you "love", if you're not actually carrying love outwards. Protecting the things and the people you're attached to is a beautiful thing, but it all circles back to you, how you feel about it, and your peace of mind. In real love, there can be no selfishness.
@@Ynox54321 No. This is about Christian ideals. The love that the brothers have is generous and giving, but it has no scope beyond the brothers. The priest seeks God's love, which is rained down on everyone indiscriminately, the sun shines on everyone, the wind blows on everyone, the snow falls on everyone. Ragnar's "love" for Canute was certainly a generous and giving love, sure on some level Ragnar was gratifying himself in this relationship, which is why he obstructed Canute's development, but that relationship bears no resemblence at all to me and spaghetti, flowers and the sun, or lions and gazelles. No, the problem there is that because Ragnar "loved" Canute this way, he allowed a village to be exterminated so that Canute may eat and take shelter from the storm. The priest seeks a love without an object. It should not be: "I love *you*." Or "Ragnar loves *Canute*." But rather simply: "I love."
@@cobusvanderlinde6871 As an agnostic person, I would say the love the priest speaks of is a selfless love, absolute selflessness. When he described how the corpse of a warrior gives itself to the earth with no complaints he’s explaining how it’s selfless.
wasn't expecting that type of character arch but im here for it. its believable. Canute found his voice in Thorfinn and gained courage after loosing Ragnar. Ashkaladd is his spear. what an episode!
Canute basically realized that God's "path to salvation" is unattainable, so instead he's going to create his own paradise on earth, by leading Vikings. To me it's like he's saying I'll play god and the way he hugged Bjorn like he's some misguided teenager (says a lot).
Which made sense, the mistranslated bible at the time served more to strike fear than anything else, an example of that is the invention of the list of those who go to heaven and everyone else go to hell, there was nothing like that in the original scriptures (at best the mention of an purifying fire)
@@Ynox54321 It really isn't though, there's a reason why Canute gets mad at god in the show. The various horrific punishments god has sent down are a pretty clear sign that god doesn't give a shit about salvation. Take Bjorn for example, the god shown throughout most of the bible would have killed him without a second thought, to god he is simply irredeemable, a failure. Also god is all knowing, therefore he already knew we would eat the apple before it happened, not to mention how he also would have known that the snake he put in the garden would be the catalyst to make us do it. According to the bible he basically created us to fail, then tells us not to fail, while at the same time punishing us when we inevitably do. I can see how someone could see Jesus as a genuinely all loving being, that's what pretty much all his teachings show. But god in the bible as a whole is very clearly nothing of the sort.
What an episode Vinland Saga is the only anime that teaches you not only philosophy but also history and geography Btw the priest is the most underrated character in this anime
This episode is just a taste of what Vinland Saga can do. After watching this for the first time I just sat there contemplating the message this episode gave.
What is love? baby don't hurt me... But seriously, the concept presented here is that of "Agape", the unconditional love that doesn't discriminate, which while it's not realistic to achieve it's the purest essence of "love" as a concept. Also the part "Death completes a person" is very vital to Thorfinn's development as a character, he is where he is now because of his father death and it shaped him, same with Canute in this case, he had to lose Ragnar to be able to face the world head on without that tender protection Ragnar gave him his whole life. This episode is one of the best in the series, it showcases that even though we had a great fight in it, Canute's awakening was the biggest highlight of it and the core of Vinland saga is philosophy which becomes even more pronounced over time.
I love how you question canutes thought process and how he seems to be both renouncing his faith and still remaining true in his beliefs. He is one of my favorite characters and this episode is just the beginning! Lol
Canute is such a truly irreplaceable character OMG!!! What a masterpiece of a character!!! He was this awesome, cool and divine in Vinland Saga 2 as well. This human KING is because of what I totally fell in love with Vinland Saga! I could watch this episode all day long & never get bored! Such deep meaning & truth of Life this episode has!!!
amazing episode, great reaction and i totally appreciate your thoughts at the end,, this is one of my favorite anime episodes ever, not only bcs of the contrast between the fight of Thorfinn and Torkell and the conversation of the priest with Canute and his subsequent conclusions (that make him go a radical 180, going out of his shell and essentially what Askeladd wanted to achieve) but because it transmits a lot of emotions through the dialogues and the nature scenes,, also, i like how in Canute's dream about Ragnar, the latter tells to him that "there's thing you only realized after experiencing a loss" and we can say this about Thorfinn too, but because he was still a child, he couldn't handle his emotions and as a viking kid surrounded by violence, he was consumed by it and gave in to revenge, thus he hasn't "learnt" what his father's death is teaching him, whereas Canute (who could be seen as an adult in that time i guess?) took the time to accept Ragnar's death and set his eyes on what lies ahead of him and now embracing his role as a "king"
Really an excellent reaction to this episode and nice to see someone actually absorb and question that truly brilliant dialogue between the priest and Canute. I particularly like that the whole thing paints Christianity in a positive light, as it's easy to look at the negative impacts it's had in the past and present and just shrug off the historical and cultural significance of religions in general and say it's all stupid. It's not. Here in particular the words of the priest and the completely alien idea of mere existence as love heavily overlaps with Buddhism and I think it's important to see the truth shared by different religions, as opposed to what makes them different and how people corrupt and abuse them. Great scene and great writing. And lo, Canute has awakened. It's kind of paradoxical that by understanding the truth of the priest's words he essentially turns away from God, realising that it's not up to God to make paradise for us, nor did he make the hell they're living in. That's all on man. To quote Milton's God, "Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell."
The more I watch this specifc episode, the more I learn more about the topic they discuss about LOVE. Basically the LOVE that they protrait is an absence of Hate. They put an example like Wind, Snow and Tree because those things don't feel hate, they also mention that only death can be considered LOVE, it because they are no longer feel the hate. In science it's the same concept for LIGHT and DARKNESS, which is Darkness is just an Absence of Light. Thor is also an example of LOVE because he doesn't feel hate to anyone, that's why his philosophy is "You have no enemies, No one has enemies" and if we go biblical Jesus is also an example of LOVE because he doesn't hate anyone instead he forgive anyone and even die for everyone sins. Canute understands that there is no LOVE while you are alive even affection with family is just discrimination, because they only love with their family or blood related that's why when he realize it he wanted to give path to those warrior who battle without knowing their reason to fight. If someone truly posses love then it should be equal to anyone not only to people that are blood-related to you, which is Thor and Jesus as an example.
I like the way you used "conditional love" referring to Ranga and "unconditional love" towards Thors way of being a true warrior. Nature's beauty exist for us all to marvel & benefit from, therefore it's love unconditional. Human beings are conscious animals, through our desire to learn & grow, only then can we break down the walls that keep us from being more understanding/loving more.
Canute's rejection of "God's salvation" is paradoxical, because he at that moment attained it God's salvation by finally stepping into the role that was ordained for him. As evidenced by the Priest's comment "I saw a miracle"
Basically, what the priest is defining true love is "unconditional love". Loving someone you care for like Ragnar did is a natural inclination towards family and friends. It is conditional. It is not "love" the way he sees God's love, a love that has no prerequisites or condition. This form of love is not attainable by mankind, as that's not how we are wired.
I think it's so sad to see Canute fall from grace. He was at an emotional low point, and it's unfortunate that this "devout" boy and priest don't understand the true Love of Jesus Christ. Canute's transformation is interesting to see as a character, but sad to see where new ideals might take him.
Also, the "Death is Love thing," is so backwards. The feelings of hate are gone but nothing replaces it. Love is something to choose despite the negativity and the hate. It is something that is shown to another, casting everything else aside, and acting in love. If I am dead, and if I had hated everything up until that point, what do I have to show for? Or to whom? Discrimination is against others and is also selfish in this context. Whereas Love is/should be selfless, and for others. Was Thors' actions that of love or discrimination??
"Love", the way we normally use the word, is just affection and attachment. It's a sort of extended selfishness. We use it the same way we say "I love a warm blanket when it's cold", or "flowers love the sun" - or "lions love gazelles". It's nonsense. Why is the recipient the one who gets to say they "love"? Ultimately, how could it possibly be love to allow a whole village, children included, to be slaughtered to save what is important to yourself, like Ragnar did? How can it be love if you remove love from the world to keep YOUR personal happy space intact?
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canute's character development about to go 📈
i thought the priest and canute's talk about love was so interesting - i'd love to hear your thoughts about it in the comments! 🤔
also i just uploaded my reaction to s2 ep12 today over on patreon! check it out if you'd like early access or timer reactions patreon.com/alanamisako
you will get to know about the real definition of character development in 2nd season
what he means by discrimination = selective love, caring about a certain person in particular but not everyone equally
whereas "true love" they refer to is selflessness, embodied by a dead body, that is exalted in its generosity and other virtues.
"Death perfects a person" statement, is exemplified by Thors' death, his selfless sacrifice.
the writing is stellar
The conversation in this episode might clarify something from a few episodes ago. While the vikings were taunting the priest and trying to get him to explain what love is, the two brothers suggested that their relationship might qualify and the priest asked something like "would this thing between you and your brother drive you to protect me or anyone else from danger" the vikings laughed at the absurdity, and the priest concluded that what the brothers have is not the love that he is talking about.
And he's right. We say that we "love" something when we *receive* love from it. "I love spaghetti". "Flowers love the sun". "Lions love gazelles". "I love you because you make me feel protected". It's all backwards.
You don't get to say that you "love", if you're not actually carrying love outwards.
Protecting the things and the people you're attached to is a beautiful thing, but it all circles back to you, how you feel about it, and your peace of mind.
In real love, there can be no selfishness.
@@Ynox54321 No.
This is about Christian ideals. The love that the brothers have is generous and giving, but it has no scope beyond the brothers.
The priest seeks God's love, which is rained down on everyone indiscriminately, the sun shines on everyone, the wind blows on everyone, the snow falls on everyone.
Ragnar's "love" for Canute was certainly a generous and giving love, sure on some level Ragnar was gratifying himself in this relationship, which is why he obstructed Canute's development, but that relationship bears no resemblence at all to me and spaghetti, flowers and the sun, or lions and gazelles.
No, the problem there is that because Ragnar "loved" Canute this way, he allowed a village to be exterminated so that Canute may eat and take shelter from the storm.
The priest seeks a love without an object. It should not be: "I love *you*." Or "Ragnar loves *Canute*." But rather simply: "I love."
@@cobusvanderlinde6871 Very well said.
@@cobusvanderlinde6871 As an agnostic person, I would say the love the priest speaks of is a selfless love, absolute selflessness. When he described how the corpse of a warrior gives itself to the earth with no complaints he’s explaining how it’s selfless.
"Death perfects a person", the parallel the show does between Thors and Jesus is very interesting.
In his last moments Thors became a true warrior
The lack of acceptance of death is the root of all evil.
For real, and people call me crazy when I say even his character design resembles Jesus.
Oh shit, I didn't even think of that.
"But then, why is there no love in the hearts of men?" moved me ......
This was one of my favourite episodes in season 1. Canute's awakening was a great shift for his character.
wasn't expecting that type of character arch but im here for it. its believable. Canute found his voice in Thorfinn and gained courage after loosing Ragnar. Ashkaladd is his spear. what an episode!
Canute basically realized that God's "path to salvation" is unattainable, so instead he's going to create his own paradise on earth, by leading Vikings. To me it's like he's saying I'll play god and the way he hugged Bjorn like he's some misguided teenager (says a lot).
Creating paradise on earth IS God's path to salvation. And the acceptance of death lies at the heart of it.
Which made sense, the mistranslated bible at the time served more to strike fear than anything else, an example of that is the invention of the list of those who go to heaven and everyone else go to hell, there was nothing like that in the original scriptures (at best the mention of an purifying fire)
@@Ynox54321 It really isn't though, there's a reason why Canute gets mad at god in the show. The various horrific punishments god has sent down are a pretty clear sign that god doesn't give a shit about salvation. Take Bjorn for example, the god shown throughout most of the bible would have killed him without a second thought, to god he is simply irredeemable, a failure.
Also god is all knowing, therefore he already knew we would eat the apple before it happened, not to mention how he also would have known that the snake he put in the garden would be the catalyst to make us do it. According to the bible he basically created us to fail, then tells us not to fail, while at the same time punishing us when we inevitably do.
I can see how someone could see Jesus as a genuinely all loving being, that's what pretty much all his teachings show. But god in the bible as a whole is very clearly nothing of the sort.
@@Another_HibikiTrue
What an episode
Vinland Saga is the only anime that teaches you not only philosophy but also history and geography
Btw the priest is the most underrated character in this anime
Priest is very very underrated, one of my favorite characters from any show
This episode is just a taste of what Vinland Saga can do. After watching this for the first time I just sat there contemplating the message this episode gave.
What is love? baby don't hurt me... But seriously, the concept presented here is that of "Agape", the unconditional love that doesn't discriminate, which while it's not realistic to achieve it's the purest essence of "love" as a concept. Also the part "Death completes a person" is very vital to Thorfinn's development as a character, he is where he is now because of his father death and it shaped him, same with Canute in this case, he had to lose Ragnar to be able to face the world head on without that tender protection Ragnar gave him his whole life. This episode is one of the best in the series, it showcases that even though we had a great fight in it, Canute's awakening was the biggest highlight of it and the core of Vinland saga is philosophy which becomes even more pronounced over time.
It's also important to say Thors embodied love the most in the moment he forfeited his life, BY doing so.
Doesn't agape require exertion of free will? Death doesn't make sense in that context
Fuck free will nobody has it everyone its just doing what thay have to do bc the world is bigger then them @@jcon2060
This episode was very philosophical. Love this series.
By the end askeladd's plan to give canute a crazy character development by killing ragnar did work. Bro is 10 steps ahead of anyone in the show lol.
I love how you question canutes thought process and how he seems to be both renouncing his faith and still remaining true in his beliefs. He is one of my favorite characters and this episode is just the beginning! Lol
4:31 this dialogue still brings tears to my eyes
And the voice acting is perfect 😢
Canute is such a truly irreplaceable character OMG!!! What a masterpiece of a character!!! He was this awesome, cool and divine in Vinland Saga 2 as well.
This human KING is because of what I totally fell in love with Vinland Saga!
I could watch this episode all day long & never get bored! Such deep meaning & truth of Life this episode has!!!
Canute earned his Black Air force 1's this episode.
15:13 you're right, canute is rebelling against god to build his own paradise on earth
amazing episode, great reaction and i totally appreciate your thoughts at the end,, this is one of my favorite anime episodes ever, not only bcs of the contrast between the fight of Thorfinn and Torkell and the conversation of the priest with Canute and his subsequent conclusions (that make him go a radical 180, going out of his shell and essentially what Askeladd wanted to achieve) but because it transmits a lot of emotions through the dialogues and the nature scenes,, also, i like how in Canute's dream about Ragnar, the latter tells to him that "there's thing you only realized after experiencing a loss" and we can say this about Thorfinn too, but because he was still a child, he couldn't handle his emotions and as a viking kid surrounded by violence, he was consumed by it and gave in to revenge, thus he hasn't "learnt" what his father's death is teaching him, whereas Canute (who could be seen as an adult in that time i guess?) took the time to accept Ragnar's death and set his eyes on what lies ahead of him and now embracing his role as a "king"
Well said. This episode probably marks the beginning of what will be the parallel, and somewhat polar opposite, evolutions of Thorfinn and Canute.
This was who Askeladd was waiting for, a real King
after this episode i knew this is my favourite anime of all time
the character development is so crazy lol. as usual your reaction was so good. waiting for the next one!
that "love" scene between the priest and canute made me realize that Yukimura-sensei is the GOAT mangaka
Really an excellent reaction to this episode and nice to see someone actually absorb and question that truly brilliant dialogue between the priest and Canute. I particularly like that the whole thing paints Christianity in a positive light, as it's easy to look at the negative impacts it's had in the past and present and just shrug off the historical and cultural significance of religions in general and say it's all stupid. It's not. Here in particular the words of the priest and the completely alien idea of mere existence as love heavily overlaps with Buddhism and I think it's important to see the truth shared by different religions, as opposed to what makes them different and how people corrupt and abuse them. Great scene and great writing.
And lo, Canute has awakened. It's kind of paradoxical that by understanding the truth of the priest's words he essentially turns away from God, realising that it's not up to God to make paradise for us, nor did he make the hell they're living in. That's all on man. To quote Milton's God, "Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell."
The way canute exorcising bjorn is so good.
One of the best episodes of Vinland!
Best episode in ALL of anime. Made me absolutely love this show
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ii love the constant drop of Vinland saga, S2 will be crazy, you'll definitely luv s2
What is love? Baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me, no more 😢
the priest was saying ragnar's love is discrimination because ragnar was ok with killing a whole village as long as canute will be okay
The more I watch this specifc episode, the more I learn more about the topic they discuss about LOVE.
Basically the LOVE that they protrait is an absence of Hate. They put an example like Wind, Snow and Tree because those things don't feel hate, they also mention that only death can be considered LOVE, it because they are no longer feel the hate. In science it's the same concept for LIGHT and DARKNESS, which is Darkness is just an Absence of Light. Thor is also an example of LOVE because he doesn't feel hate to anyone, that's why his philosophy is "You have no enemies, No one has enemies" and if we go biblical Jesus is also an example of LOVE because he doesn't hate anyone instead he forgive anyone and even die for everyone sins.
Canute understands that there is no LOVE while you are alive even affection with family is just discrimination, because they only love with their family or blood related that's why when he realize it he wanted to give path to those warrior who battle without knowing their reason to fight. If someone truly posses love then it should be equal to anyone not only to people that are blood-related to you, which is Thor and Jesus as an example.
Love your reaction !
The awacking of the great king Canute
as a historian, i was expecting this from Canute.. but no way did i expect it to come so early and so sudden 🤯
Unconditional Love
I like the way you used "conditional love" referring to Ranga and "unconditional love" towards Thors way of being a true warrior.
Nature's beauty exist for us all to marvel & benefit from, therefore it's love unconditional. Human beings are conscious animals, through our desire to learn & grow, only then can we break down the walls that keep us from being more understanding/loving more.
This show keeps delivering
12:58 baby don't hurt me
Canute kinda slayin in this episode.
From Princess Canute to King Canute
I had chills everytime I watch Canute's speech
Canute's rejection of "God's salvation" is paradoxical, because he at that moment attained it God's salvation by finally stepping into the role that was ordained for him. As evidenced by the Priest's comment "I saw a miracle"
Canute!
Next!
Alana are you going to watch season 3 of Tokyo revengers?
Basically, what the priest is defining true love is "unconditional love".
Loving someone you care for like Ragnar did is a natural inclination towards family and friends.
It is conditional. It is not "love" the way he sees God's love, a love that has no prerequisites or condition.
This form of love is not attainable by mankind, as that's not how we are wired.
T H O R S ,
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I think it's so sad to see Canute fall from grace. He was at an emotional low point, and it's unfortunate that this "devout" boy and priest don't understand the true Love of Jesus Christ. Canute's transformation is interesting to see as a character, but sad to see where new ideals might take him.
Also, the "Death is Love thing," is so backwards. The feelings of hate are gone but nothing replaces it. Love is something to choose despite the negativity and the hate. It is something that is shown to another, casting everything else aside, and acting in love. If I am dead, and if I had hated everything up until that point, what do I have to show for? Or to whom? Discrimination is against others and is also selfish in this context. Whereas Love is/should be selfless, and for others. Was Thors' actions that of love or discrimination??
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"Love", the way we normally use the word, is just affection and attachment. It's a sort of extended selfishness. We use it the same way we say "I love a warm blanket when it's cold", or "flowers love the sun" - or "lions love gazelles". It's nonsense. Why is the recipient the one who gets to say they "love"?
Ultimately, how could it possibly be love to allow a whole village, children included, to be slaughtered to save what is important to yourself, like Ragnar did?
How can it be love if you remove love from the world to keep YOUR personal happy space intact?
A gem among all TV shows ... Vinland Saga ❤
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