Depp v. Heard Trial Day 8 Afternoon- Johnny Depp Re-Direct testimony. Ben King testifies.
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Afternoon testimony of Johnny Depp.
The Docket
0:00 Welcome
5:00 Johnny Depp Re-Direct
54:58 I Johnny Depp Audio and Testimony
1:03:18 Ben King Testimony
1:29:00 Court Break & Q&A
1:47:00 Ben King Testimony Part 2
2:18:52 Ben King Cross-Examination
3:03:40 Ben King Re-direct
3:18:38 Q&A Time
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I'm a housekeeper for a certain clientele. We are nearly invisible but hear everything. When I heard who he was and his job, I was at work and laughed out loud. He's a golden witness.
I’m assuming a lot of high profile people require staff to sign NDAs- has that been your experience? I’m very much not famous lol & while I’d love to have staff I think it would be stressful having someone witness so much of your personal life.
@@mtz6198 I've has NDAs with some clients. I work exclusively in a private yacht and golf community. There are so many staff from so many different companies all over, we become part of the scenery. We just keep to the "service code". That's part of how we're able to do what we do.
@@notsarah7262 Thanks, that makes sense. I’m sure your reputation is a big factor in those jobs.
I worked as a personal assistant and you really get to know who these people are and sometimes more than you want to know
@@notsarah7262 ctcec r
I would trust Ben King with my wallet. He would probably just organize my cards and receipts in alphabetical order.
Keep it going Nana I am loving these jokes, quips, compliments, whatever you want to call these comments! It made me giggle and smile.
One of my fav comments from this trial! 😂 Thanks 🙏
Fave BK quote: “ Sir, nothing was intact.”
Literally
Right?! He seems so lovely.
I was dying when he called her a "spoiled teenage child." Ben King is so precious.
His face said "i said that and i said it again 💅"
I was trying to Rewatch over on Nick's channel just to get his perspective of Ben King Finding Depp's finger But Hell O those grown men who were his guests were so rude and laughing about Ben & making fun of him I had to leave. They thought being their kind of "funny" made them sound good, All It Did Was Make Them Ass*s. It was awful, I couldn't hear what Mr. King was saying! No respect for a Man Who Worked for The Queen. No Respect for his testimony. They will never have a Ben King. Being horribly mean because you think it's funny to the point of disturbing testimony makes you petty. I will never subscribe to any of them. Those I had subscribed to I went directly to unsubscribe. Thank Goodness Emily doesn't have a bunch of juvenile sounding men on here.
@@Go-Dawgs If they made him into some stuffy caricature with whatever they said it’s because they weren’t listening! Ben was humble and gracious, not too good for anything he got asked to do by this couple & their staff hence why he ended up in this case. He seems like a very sophisticated gentleman and it seems like they just didn’t know how to handle that! That’s awful because I’ve otherwise never heard anybody say anything bad about Ben King. Hurts my heart a little!
Too bad for them that they probably missed Ben was one of the more key witnesses for the physical evidence in this case, so I would have just listened if I wanted more of the facts of the case. Emily was entertaining and educating, and clearly that channel decided to go a different direction.
@Go-Dawgs it shouldn't matter if someone worked for the queen or not. Especially because she was a murderer. Ben didn't in his testimony do anything that warranted disrespecting him.
My favorite lines from this trial so far:
“Yes, December is two months after October, correct.”
“I was not there after I had left, correct.”
I remember during the Jodi Arias trial her lawyer asked if you would be alive after you were dead or something along the lines of that...just shocking
The way Ms. Myers ended her redirect: "tell the world Johnny, tell them I, Johnny Depp, a man, I'm a victim too of domestic violence." And his response "I told them, I am"
OOOF I got choked up, y'all! What a SOLID way to end 👏👏👏
Emotional and solid for sure
I chocked up more than once during his testimony. Broke my heart and ground the pieces hearing his take on the emotional ride he was on. Especially the very thinly veiled suicide allusion. Struck deep and hard
@@nejaahalcyon this whole trial is just an emotional rollercoaster for sure
Camille Vasquez is a rock star!!
Perfect wasn’t it.
Most painful for Ben was: The cream coloured carpet was stained with blood. A nightmare for a dapper house manager!
Not to mention calming down the hysterical chamber maids and ordering them to change the sheets
@@Xosidhe We needed Ben when Amber shit the bed.
@@LawNerd24 no ben doesn't deserve that😂😂
Jessica, Johnny’s lawyer who did his direct and re-direct did an amazing job. I think her demeanor and calmness helped keep him calm.
And, Camille could bring the "bitchiness" to match Amber on cross. It was a thing of beauty.
@@LawNerd24 it truly was a beautiful thing to watch !
Jessica Meyers didn’t get enough credit. She was so calm, prepared and composed. I think she helped JD get his story out without getting frustrated. That calm is a skill just as Camille’s fire and Ben Chew’s knowledge are skills.
His face when he responds to the last question with "I said 'Yeah, I am.'" FUCKING BEAUTIFUL. I cried. His face looks like the face of a man who has overcome the shame of the toxic standards placed on men. Good for him. GOOD FOR HIM.
Time stamp?
I hope he gets his own courtroom rock-umentary... Depp is playing himself....and the end scene he looks into the camera, utters those words, and Amber gets rocketed into space, leaving behind a three piece suite and a piece of her finger left on the courtroom chair.
When was that?
I thought it was the best way to conclude his testimony. Bringing back a recording I remembered hearing about towards the beginning, but one I forgot about that until Miss Vasquez brought it back at the tail end. I don’t remember if that use of “Chekhov’s Gun” timing was applied to the jury… but I feel like ending his testimony on that note… that question is definitely going to stay with them.
Beautifully done by Miss Vasquez and by Johnny Depp.
Time stamp is roughly 1:00:55
I need a show where we just follow Ben through out his day to day life
And listen to him talk... on a complimentary 24 hour audio of his golden tones...
I'd LOVE to watch that!
Omg yes!
I feel so bad for Ben. He sounds like an absolute dream at his job and he had to deal with all that nonsense. I hope Depp sends this man on a vacation after the trial - he found his finger lol.
If he has any money left. Amber stole enough of it so far, plus the attorney fees afterwards.
I wonder if he updated his contract so that the probable extra stipulation for elevated pay for dealing with bodily waste and 'liquids' now also covers body parts...
A vacation to the Finger Lakes, perhaps?
Can you imagine going from making sure the Queens's doilies are placed properly throughout Buckingham Palace to finding freaking JD's severed finger, wrapped in tp in a living room in Australia?? Poor Ben...If ANYONE has PTSD it's him!
Than again who knows what they're like behind closed doors. Andrew 😎
I also think about this. As someone who survived abuse I can tell you we're heightendly aware of the fact that there are others suffering because of you. I hope that Johnny Depp isn't beating himself up for this and I hope Ben King is getting the help he needs to mentally heal from everything he survived as well.
Oh boy, don't make the mistake of thinking Buckingham Palace is a drama-free zone! 🤣 They're just as dysfunctional as anybody, they just do it really quietly. Though I admit they don't tend to sever fingers.
@@hazelangus Heads, yes; fingers no. 😂
@@hazelangus THIS. The royal family is a mess lol.
I think Johnny goes on and on because he's finally getting his chance to tell his story. He wants the world to know his truth.
Kinda hope he writes a book. then narrates the audiobook of it 😍
@@munchiekins oh no the book will be 30 hours long 😂
@@christinemiller1967 lmaooooo and slow paced, too
He’s doing this more so as a “PR stunt” to rectify his image which is fair. Not saying it negates his experience or excuses Amber’s behaviour but seems like he wants to clear his name!
@@Coastpsych_fi99 Of course he wants to clear his name.
For someone who took so much video, photos and recorded audio, it is interesting that there is not a single image of her "bruises and cuts" .Justice for Johnny Depp!
Except those little scratches on her arm that her lawyers are bringing in as an exhibit after she cut off Johnnys finger. Lol. Btw: I can’t believe her team is trying to say he cut off his own finger.
Amber is going to have a LOT of stuff entered into the evidence when it's her case in chief. There are talks about them being altered and metadata being altered though, so hopefully Johnny's team is ready to object heavily.
@@HB-ey2dk The point is, it is very intriguing that she recorded so much in secrecy. Even took photos of him inebriated and down. But not a single image proving his abuse! Not one medical statement, not one police report... She brought "the makeup" used to cover the bruises but never took a single photo of the bruises...
This woman is as done as she wanted him to be. Johnny will come out of this one stronger than ever and I pray he gets the strength to overcome his demons as well, when he realized the extent of the impact on the lives that his work touched.
@@manchitas3531 If I can add somethinmg: "The makeup" that she led, was marketed one or some years after such "abuse" so she couldn't use that "makeup" to cover up injuries or else. Justice for Johnny Deep!
There are pictures of bruises though
I wonder if Heards attorney continued to call the housekeeper "the cleaning lady" in an attempt to rile up/upset Ben King
Yes, because Ben respects household staff and wants staff addressed with proper respect is my thoughts.
No doubt!
It was disrespectful
Beard’s attny is just not likable. There. I said it and I feel better for it. 😂
Johnnys attny are asleep at the wheel! Where is that dark curly haired Depp attorney?! She was the only one on her game! They missed so many chances on cross:/ they should be taking notes and hitting every damn point.
King (house manager) was asked if he ever saw heard be violent. He said “other than poking?” And demonstrates w his finger in the air. Dross team didn’t ask him what he meant by that on cross! Wtheck? I’d want to know if she deliberately poked Johnny in the chest, etc. to irritate him.
Also the judge is biased in ambers favor:/
He is not smooth when speaking to someone with a level of English upbringing……like the paper towel ? Really.
My husband’s a cop, he was shaking his head over some of this, you wouldn’t believe what he’s told me about what He’s seen DONE TO MEN in domestic situations over the years it’s just unreal and sad. He said he hopes this brings this kind of thing to light.
Would you share one of the stories? 🙏🏼
"I need to take a timeout alone. Can we talk about this in a couple hours?"
"OH MY GAWD, I'M GONNA DIE!!!!"
Right Drama Queen
@@LoudLilDuckythat sounds like classic BPD. She takes him ( or anyone ) leaving as genuine physical pain. It felt really genuine. Horrendous for both to live with and unbelievably destructive but genuine. It's one of the few times she did sound genuine.
Regarding AH's threat, "Let's see who the jury believes," My ex, who happens to be a mental health professional, used to threaten me to not leave him by saying he would sue for full custody and make statements like, "I'm a professional. You have a mental health history (anxiety). Who do you think the judge will believe?"
Christ I’m sorry you went through that. 🌹
❤️
I'm so sorry.
my Ex did the same to me. He gave me a sweet hug and said he would always love me before our divorce! He literally did everything in his power to destroy me and took everything from me! Justice for JD🥰🥰
There should be a special corner of hell for people like that, filled with the choking fumes of polyester from burning televangelists and used car salesman.
as someone who has bpd, I completely understand where Amber is coming from and her intentions when she says she wants to resolve things instead of running away from the issue. Unfortunately she doesn't understand that she's unwell and doesn't know how to communicate properly which is why they end up back in this cycle.
Johnny is doing the proper thing. When I'm triggered like that, I stop myself from behaving this way by walking away and reseting for a couple hours. If I'm too blinded by my rage, I have asked my parter to remind me to walk away until we can communicate properly. So he was 100% correct in wanting to do that. But again, she doesn't seem to understand that that needs to be done in order to be able to resolve things. It's sad hearing this, I hope she gets the help she very obviously needs.
I would also like to add that before I knew I had bpd, I acted very similar to the way she does (without the physical violence) and I will agree with her when she says that him just walking away when she's triggered will make things worse. Since she doesn't have the proper tools to be able to de escalate the situation herself, or even understand that what she's doing is wrong, walking away will further trigger her abandonment issues. It takes a lot to realize that the way you behave is toxic. And it takes a lot of work to be able to handle bpd.
And of course, the bpd isn't an excuse and she should face the consequences of her actions.
This sounds very insightful, you must have put in a lot of work in understanding yourself and your behavior. I applaud that
Thanks for explaining this. Also am very happy you are in a place where you know how to handle situations. Wishing you all the best thanks for sharing !
You know her team is in shambles when they call "objection" on themselves
Hahahhahhahahahhahah
I was in tears laughing at that 🤣
Still makes me laugh 😂
For anyone looking, it's around 2:48:00
@@liriodendronlasianthus You my sister. Are a life saver! 😂😂😂❤️❤️
Seriously, you’d never think so but Im in a major depression. Only my daughter makes me laugh (8 months old) and this moment during the trial! 🤣🤣🤣
“Spoiled teenage child, is that fair?” Omg I can’t.
I ugly laughed at that one. What an unintentional read.
I am loving this Ben sass.
Even though I want johnny depp to just answer the questions straight up without a long explanation. I think this is his “chance” of telling the world his story with context.
After not being able to tell his story for so long I don’t blame him for taking his time and explaining everything
i think its endearing... i think the jury also finds it imperative, a person who talks alot like that has nothing to hide
Could it have been a way of him talking it through out loud rather then in his head.
@@nomdeplume2213 This is my take on it to. When someone tells their story its so you understand all of it. He's not hiding no more
His slower speech may also be a mechanism to combat stuttering. A lot of kids that go thru trauma develop stuttering. They slow their speech and use formal shorter words to avoid triggering the stutter. It's a coping mechanism. Now I understand why he speaks the way he does bc of childhood trauma with his mom. It's still heartbreaking to hear this spoiled woman.
She KNOWS he wants out and there is no return, so she is applying her "don't abandon" me verbage, because she KNOWS he is not the type of man that wants to HURT ANYBODY! He should have gotten OUT, and banned talking or listening her. She's trying EVERYTHING to coerce him.
Johnny's last words... "Yes, I am [a victim of domestic violence]." whew... my heart is heavy. I hope he is proud of himself.
I feel really nervous with Johnny on the stand and I'm glad it's finally over today. As an introvert who has adhd when i ramble about stuff and sometimes I have multiple ideas trying to come out at once, it becomes jumbled. If i was on trial explaining myself and I knew I had to side step a lot of traps and try to present myself to people who didn't understand adhd, I'd be scared shitless
I have ADHD too, and have had to testify in court. It's not a place where your mind wanders IME, it's really intimidating (for me it was maybe not others?) and the hyperfocus thing kicks in. I think JD was just going off topic at times to get certain things out about his childhood, etc.
@@mtz6198 Not everyone’s ADHD symptoms look the same. Just because your mind did t wander, doesn’t mean it’s impossible for others in court to.
I’m the same way. Introvert with ADHD is an interesting combination
Same!
I came back to watch Ben King’s testimony. I can’t believe how shocked AH’s lawyer sounds about the photos he has. Why is this the first they are considering that he would have taken photos? It seems logical to me.
I think they got nervous of what photos he had and they did not know. They showed they didn't bothered to check for photos and later Heard blaming Ben by saying he did not provide them.
As someone who has been in a VERY toxic relationship, I get him telling her he can't live without her and then wanting to leave. Something I often said to my abusive ex. The love bombing felt so good and made me SO co-dependant I didn't want to leave and couldn't imagine leaving. But then the bad times would be so bad I would be sobbing uncontrollably and wanting to leave. I hate this for him, so much. I want to seriously hug him. ㅠ.ㅠ
Omg..the painful range of mixed emotions and contradictory feelings a person goes through when you are in love with someone you cannot live with is maddening..., Those on the outside always say.. why didn't you dump them.. it is not that easy nor said and done.. it can be Hell♥️♥️
@@kevinhenderson5520 exactly. Abuse is NOT something you can just walk away from. It causes very mixed emotions but it also can be deadly.
Trauma bond
confidentiality is key in hospitality. It would have been a part of Ben's job to make sure no intimate details were leaked to the press via staff. It doesn't matter if the clients are celebrities or not, this is part of the job
I think the last recording in their re-direct is one of the most telling. Not just the comment Heard makes about Depp not being believed asa victim of DV but also - she's painted herself into a corner, it's not going well, and he's still offering to help work out a solution that would help end it. I think she thought she could pressure him into making a statement admitting to being abusive to bail her out.
That’s the vibe i got, she kept talking about her reputation even though his was severely damaged, like she wanted him to do something to make her look good… very odd
That audio was just straight up triggering, the way she tried to act like she was calm and then started screaming again. I dont think he finished one sentence.... imagine living like that
Unfortunately, I don't have to imagine it. Johnny acts just like he was verbally beaten down like I did at one time. I hope he builds himself back up after this. It's a long process.
@@RH-km5wj i really hope youre doing well and im proud of you for getting out
I like how Ben was so neutral, he mentioned nicer moments of amber which I feel gives his testimony more credibility
We need Ben to record audiobooks
Emily's reactions are GOLDEN! I love it when she just about has a cow when Ben described Amber being like a spoiled teenage child!
Ben looks like the type of person that would walk in on his family getting murdered by a serial killer and say in a low voice "Oh... How unfortunate. I'm not entirely sure you should have done this, to be honest with you sir. This isn't very nice of you"
If I was the murderer in this situation Id be terrified
And then you’d rethink your life choices
Johnny's face around the 34min mark is heartbreaking. You can see the discomfort/pain in having to listen to that audio recording. Ending his redirect with "I said 'yes'... because I am" was so impactful.
Johnny cannot lie to safe his life! He is so honest and truthful it’s no wonder the jury connected with him
“I’m obsessed with the truth.” Johnnie Depp 2020 interview at a doctoral program with Professor Lawrence Krauss called Finding The Creativity in Madness.
I'm rewatching. Ben Kings testimony is captivating. Mrs King, brought her son up to be the perfect gentleman.
That honeymoon period that Ben described when AH returned to Australia with JD, is very typical in abusive relationships like theirs & primarily has to do with the trauma bond between the two of them.
It’s so jarring to go from the smooth questioning of Depp’s team and the chaos that is coming from Heard’s team. I always feel like I know what Depp’s team is going for and the timeline they are creating. But Heard’s team is so abrasive and all over the place. Even just the way they speak.
I loved the “spoiled teenage child” part 😂😂
watch the video Emily posted today about the trial! her psychologist said the exact same thing loool
I don’t understand how they question the witness so hard about turning over photos when AH refused to turn over hers. lmao
Defense was a walking contradiction
Revisiting this through the Emily lens. Did the jury know that she didn't turn over her devices?
She's wanting a argument like normal, it's not normal and a normal argument makes no sense. She's not abused or bullied! This has been a very eye opening few days! The saying, two sides of every story! Here we have a chance to see both an decide what is the facts, the proof an evidence all are on his side an she's been faulsly accusing and malicious an vindictive and manipulating and on an on. I'm just feeling pretty upset listening to anyone treated so horribly!
I have little bit sympathy for those statements because I was in an abusive relationship where my partner did drugs and tried to hide it from me. He beat me and gaslight me. We never had normal conversations, everything was arguing all the time because I was so traumatized and he was high and defensive.
Anyway, I hated when he left in the middle of the argument. It felt like he just dropped all this shit in my lap, said something shocking or rude and when I tried to make sense of it all, he'd said that I'd make him feel stressed and he needed to leave because I was being so negative or hysterical.
I felt like there was ants inside my skin, I felt so uncomfortable because all those unresolved issues were buzzing inside my head and I got no resolution until he came back, which was the next day after drinking all night, or worse, he might disappear on a bender.
I'm in healthy relationship now but we never really fight so much that the other person needs to take break or get some distance, so I don't really know how it looks in a healthy relationship. If my husband said he needed few hours to clear his head I don't think I would have a problem with that. I could get a trigger response and feel that fear of abandonment, but I don't think so. I'm pretty well adjusted, nightmares are quite rare at this point.
But AH and JD were in a toxic relationship, JD did drugs so maybe Amber really felt like JD just leaves him when she's most vulnerable. She claimed that he says he just needs few minutes but it's always more than that... so does he just disappear? And for how long?
Also, if your partner is vulnerable, scared, crying... isn't it a little bit cold to just up and leave? Like you could reassure them at least that you care about their well-being even if you're in a fight right now.
That being said, it does feel like AH is using this "please don't leave me" as a manipulation tactic, but I also can give her the benefit of a doubt and say that there can be huge fear of abandonment, and it can feel really cruel if JD always leaves her in the middle of the fight, especially if he just leaves for hours or days!
@@atinity6749 thanks for sharing that an thank God 🙏 we made it! I am from a similar situation myself! Take care of yourself ❤️
Am I rewatching this 4 months later just to listen to Ben Kings voice? Yes, yes I am.
Ben's testimony was very compelling! He gives just enough info without going off on tangents 🥰
What’s “a normal argument”? That’s her saying “argue like I argue, not like you argue”. Manipulative and gaslighting.
In my 17 years as a 911 dispatcher I’ve talked to a lot of abused women. Women who call 911 because they’re afraid they are going to die and then call 2 hours later to find out when they can go and bail their abuser out. JD’s testimony around the 53:00 mark, the stuff with the knife, absolutely classic abuse victim. All the things after when she asks how to get her reputation back and he saves her? Classic.
Bless you, Christina, and thank you.
She talked like my abusive and x husband. Demands, tear downs, then trying to plea to my heart. It’s painful to hear. He’s pained.
I was triggered by those tapes but I can't look away😔.
@@cvmitchell9368 I know what you mean. It seems all abusers, regardless of socioeconomics, religion,ethnicity…all have a handbook they follow. It’s uncanny 😢
I'm right there with you ladies... Especially at the 35:00 recording.
The way she yells and then goes to the _SUPER_ sweet "cahhhlm down... cahhhhlm down... baaaaaby... stohhp... stop baby"
It's sooo disgusting.
Talk about the CYCLE of abuse. This woman is truly horrific!
I'm so sorry that both of you went through this as well.
HUGS
💞💞💞
She’s alcoholic behavior, abusive mentally and physically.
@@swurlgurl65
You are sooo correct... Seems most abusers know the cycle very well, they just don't ever realize what they're doing and that they _NEED_ to stop doing it and get help.
😔
Fun part is, after watching Emily for so long, trying to holler "objection" before anyone else does! Emily, your commentary is SO informative!
I’m starting to nail the hearsays, haha
JD ("When we argue you tend to throw punches"), AH ("I'm not talking about when we get physical, I'm talking about when we argue"), JD ("Yeah, but..."), AH ("I'm talking about arguments, I'm talking about argument, I'm talking about arguments").
It doesn't get more circular than that. AH wants JD to stay and 'argue', but JD hates how the arguments tend to get physical on her part. She skirts the issue by only wanting to talk about the arguments (verbal) rather than address the physicality. In short, he's a bad guy for not staying despite the obvious discomfort, and any attempt to address what causes the discomfort is avoided. There's basically no way for him to get to any kind of resolution. On and on it goes. Oh, and the supposedly 'abused' is maintaining the circle to trap their 'abuser', who is just trying to address the physicality of the arguments for everyone's benefit.
Multiply those arguments, injuries and addiction over the course of years and it becomes easy to understand why JD testified to feeling like he was going insane.
Poor Ben. Can you imagine being in charge of the house and finding the house like that?!
That would be a nightmare
Yeah a real FML moment!
Hi, former housekeeper here! I don't have to imagine it fucking sucks. You put all the work into creating a welcoming comfortable space, spend the time caring for that space over years sometimes and then someone comes in and destroys it all in a few minutes. Oh man and when there's antiques involved 🥺
@@gillyhuxbaugh as a former housekeeper, do you think it's possible that the peen painting really happened and he doesn't remember it? It seems like something that one would not forget. I know there was a lot to clean, but trying to replace it seems like something he would remember.
@@JLynnEchelon No I do not believe that Ben King would forget a painting that been defaced. A huge part of working in millionaires homes is ensuring the assets they leave lying around are safe and in good condition. This includes Art and Antiques which despite being incredibly valubale are often put on display in high traffic areas. If there was damage to the art- especially something so visually striking like a penis- he would probably rememeber it. Maybe it was on one of the paintings King mentioned done by Heard and Depp while in residence? King didn't testify to damage done to these if any 🤷🏻♀️
As someone who went through domestic violence I could feel he was telling the truth by how hard it was for him to answer some of the questions. Like you just don't want to talk about it but you have to. Or at least that is how it felt to me. I teared up listening to the recording and then listening to him respond.
The fact that there was big chunk taken out of a MARBLE staircase honestly says a lot about just how violent those fights got and how (Presumably) violent AH could get. That's fucking terrifying
Marble is pretty brittle and porous (that’s why it’s a terrible choice for counter tops) but yeah it must have been violent.
"Y'all don't need to stand, it's not a Catholic mass..." As a Catholic this made laugh so bad😂
Episcopalians kneel up and down too. 😂 Em is so funny.
Re-watching this again (first time was live, on this channel/with Emily) - the commentary/live reactions feel like I'm watching for the first time again, reliving all the 'oh shit!' moments, which of course I've already seen 🤣
It’s so weird…it’s like she’s responding to an entirely different conversation. She never listened or heard him. She just responded to what she felt was happening and not actually happening. Amber just sounds deeply insecure.
I love Johnny's lawyer. She's very gently and respectfully directing the conversation
The recording of Amber upset because Johnny wants to leave, was the first time I actually felt sad for her. You can see how much him leaving was a trigger for her fear of abandonment. In reality their way of coping with things were completely opposite, which led to a toxic relationship.
I wish she didn’t go down this road of lying, take responsibility for her actions and just accept help for her obvious personality disorder.
I felt the exact same. I have my own wrestle with fear of abandonment - while I can’t relate to how she handles it fully, I can totally empathize with her panic and pain. I feel sad for her
She's a narcissist, they do not like people walking away from them or ignoring them.
Yeah it’s also not fair of him to pretend like leaving isn’t a form of escalation or disrespect.
Constantly avoiding conflicts and simply leaving the other person is deconstructive as well.
There’s a difference between taking a breather/saying let’s put a hold on this for now and saying I just don’t want to have a conversation with you so bye✌️ see you whenever.
@@IndieJuli He literally says give me a couple of hours and we'll talk. Also, if he knows he's gonna get a smack why would he stay?!
@@IndieJuli I was in an abusive relationship and let me tell you that when I needed space, I needed significant space. It’s not an easy feat to go back and face someone who has been verbally and physically abusive to you. I didn’t owe my abuser anything after that kind of treatment and he is lucky anytime I actually came back at all. Johnny didn’t owe Amber any kind of consideration after incidents of abuse, verbally or physically, and it sounds more likely that she was desperate to keep him there and sometimes physically wouldn’t let him leave because she knew there was a chance he wouldn’t come back at all after what she had done which would have been more than understandable if he decided not to.
Ben has a very serious issue with her carelessness towards other people. Mentions several times about her tardiness.
Service staff notice things like that as it can have a large impact on things that happen after the delayed event. Playing catch up all the time sucks.
They have to be very precise and on schedule to do their jobs. I'm fairly sure if you're working for high profile people that can afford and need a house manager you are used to working with big egos who don't stay on a strict schedule.
It seems like a job that could feel like herding cats level of frustration; imaging coming in to work and finding your employer searching for a cut off fingertip. I'm half British, I love this guy- he's very much the the calm, stoic Brit that has been the expectation of Brits.
@@mtz6198 im also a brit and i could just hear his frustration when that lawyer basically said "oh we speak two different languages" haha XD
I know it sounds crazy that Johnny drew on the wall with his blood. But after I had been beaten by my ex with BPD a so many times when they would draw blood I sometimes found it so comforting to just let it bleed everywhere I could instead of trying to bandage it up so they could sit with the consequences of what they had done and have a lasting reminder instead of just moving on and acting like they had done nothing wrong. Maybe me and Johnny are both insane but it feels like the only way to get back some power in that situation and I don’t regret it at all.
It's also very common when we are injured (and even more so when we are under the influence or have lived in a state of elevated stress for a long time due to abuse) to enter a dissociative state as a response. Literally letting yourself bleed or leaving some kind of physical mark behind is a form of grounding; it's a way to try and return to reality so we can comprehend our situation.
Somebody posted about him locking himself in the bathroom and writing on the mirror was his only way to "speak". She wouldn't let him have a voice ever.
Something I noticed while re-watching this, at the very end of the day, when everyone is leaving the courtroom, JD makes sure to thank the lowly court reporter who transcribes everything. It's a tiny moment, easily missed, but telling imo.
I love that. The court reporter is having to really do the job in this case. So many of his witnesses got talked over by Heard’s lawyers during cross examination, it must drive her nuts.
Judy the court reporter does get a standing ovation on the last day as the judge calls her “a rock star”. It surprised Judge A. and she then says, “ Well, that’s a first!” The perfect line. This whole trial felt like a play I was watching with a lawyer/ comedian. 😂 No movie can do it justice. It’s perfect just as a you tube show with Emily as the narrator. I’m still obsessed and learning more and more each time I watch.
@@kendallneason3645 Agreed. This entire trial was beyond fascinating to me and I continue to learn the more I rewatch.
Replay crew: A little light moment: In the formal houses Ben is used to working in, the butler (which is what he is) is usually known by their surname. Does that mean when he was summoned in Buckingham Palace the aristos would call for "King"? teehee
Man that judge clapping back with "you asked the question" really kicked off a full blown witch cackle from Emily!
Anyone else obsessed with Ben's testimony and feeling the urge to protect him at all costs?
Ben king was a great witness for Johnny. One thing I noticed about AH, when she was confronted with the testimony of a witness that made her look bad, especially when it had to do with a conversation it’s amazing how all of a sudden she did not “have that conversation” 😂😂😂 I guess people were just talking to themselves
Totally agree…Ben was an incredible strategic move as in where witnesses fall on list. Obvious why…Ben was a tremendous witness for both- facts, professional demeanor and why and how he does his job. I mean hello of course he takes pictures of homes and their insides before he manages them, needs to know he leaves it the way he found it! Heard team fell for it. And the way they treated him, I can’t see any jury in the US loving it.
Yes of course he takes a picture of the homes! Thank you! Just like how I as a student and scientist will take pictures of things on a whiteboard to capture my progress and have a reference back or same with my lab notebook! Like this is a part of his job.
I think everyone on that jury wanted to give Ben King a massage nap and dinner after everything he got thrown into with this case
Im at about 1h46 mins and Emily is answering questions. A lot of people are saying Amber shows signs of BPD. As someone who's spouse is formally diagnosed with bpd, yes she does show signs (disclaimer, i am not qualified to diagnose). But I want to clarify that BPD is not an excuse to abuse your partner.
I myself have my own issues as well and both my spouse and i had a talk before we got married to take responsibility for our own actions regardless of the cause. We support each other and help each other get help when it is needed however, we do not use our mental health as an excuse to treat each other poorly.
THIS 100%
Yes! 🥇🏆🏅
As someone with bipolar disorder, I’ve said this many times. Regardless of what anyone thinks, abuse is not a symptom of any diagnosis.
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I’m 47min in. The roller coaster of crying to yelling to begging that AH did in the “arguments” when JD only says he wants to leave and HE apologised at the end. The manipulation she had. No wonder he couldn’t believe his own recollections. He’s no angel but shes the definition of emotional DV
I mean she hit him too multiple times. She is just DV overall
It’s like a tornado and a hurricane tried to have a functioning relationship and it just doesn’t work. It’s so sad to see (not just about these two but everyone that forms and stays in relationships like this) because there is a massive amount of people in the world that would happily date either of them and treat them properly, as well as support them while they try to better themselves.
I'm probably late to this, but I believe the whole "COUCH" thing was her telling him to get out and sleep on the couch. Then when she said, "I've given you three couches" that was her saying "I've said it three times, don't make me say it again". Like she was warning him that things were going to go down if she had to say it again. I grew up in a household where if my moms wanted us in our rooms, instant transmission style, she would say it in this similar fashion. Like "Room! Room! Room! I done said it three times now, it won't be a fourth". That meant that if she even had to take a breath to say it a fourth time, we were going to get an ear full more 😅
When I first heard the very start of couch tape,I thought it was about division of possessions for the divorce, but I am now sure that it must be a trigger word the couple's counsellor has instructed them to use when they need to talk and take time to listen to each other. Or she's just crazy.
She’s so clingy I can’t imagine her telling him to sleep somewhere else or going to sleep on the couch 3 times herself
The description on her arms that Ben is giving sound very much like what someone who self harms/cuts looks like as they’re usually fairly uniform, spaced like Ben described, & not jagged at all. I would think that if she sustained them in a physical altercation with JD, that uniform would not apply. The pictures later were hard to see, but forearms are the most common place for people who self harm to cut.
I say this as a licensed psychotherapist who has worked w/ many clients over the years who have self-harmed. A large number of those clients have significant abandonment issues.
Of course, I can’t say for sure that the marks on AH’s arms were from self harm, but it definitely perked my ears when I heard Ben’s description.
Jerry Judge came to the same conclusion in the Australian audio.
As a former cutter- yes. I would also dig my nails into my arm and scratch and dig when angry. that would leave symmetrical streaks like Ben described.
@@sara_387 - I didn’t get a chance to hear what Jerry Judge said in his deposition as I missed that part. Appreciate you adding that.
@@liseklerekoper2441 Sorry that was from the Australian audio...which I think AH legal tried to introduce today but is inadmissible it seems because of other people on the audio. Jerry Judge passed away recently. You can find the audio on Incredibly Average.
"Could I help you, (look for the finger) as one would?" Best line of the day!
If ANY MAN had done the shit she's done he would be in jail. Period.
The double standard here is sickening.
This is my favourite day of testimony! Always come back here to watch redirect and Ben king ❤
What stuck out to me the most about Ben's testimony was the description of the damage in Australia. It matches Johnny's story. The damage on the wall, the damage on the bar and the glass in front of the bar. Seeing the house layout with his description really drives it home. And how is she perfect at masking bruises but not cuts? Sus.
Incredibly triggering but actually insightful to what I just got out of. 30 years of these kinds of arguments and being blamed for needing to remove myself
I love when he objected to his own question. It was hilarious 😆
Time stamp? Lol
@@sunshinesc90 2:48:02 LOOK AT JOHNNY AND HIS LAWYER 🤣
Right 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Amber is something else.. to quote the great Patrick Star; "Liar, liar, plants for hire."
Turd: "It's pants on fire Johnny..."
Johnny: "Well you would know...liar."
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@@LunalovaniaGaming YES!!
@@LunalovaniaGaming ENOUGH 😭😭😭
So much of Ben King's actions and thoughts are informed by having worked for the British royals.
Some people might be sceptical of whether Ben would be able to know the room in which somebody was moving around, if they were on the floor above him. He would absolutely know this, because it would be his job to know the layout of all the rooms and where people were.
The British upper-classes don't generally want to see their household staff - it would be the norm for the butler to silently appear and disappear. To do that, the butler needs to know where they are. He'd also know the difference in footsteps. His ear is trained to be able to pick up all sorts of things most of us would ignore.
When he moved on to other service (for regular people), this would still hold true, because some of them would want that "royal-style" service.
The royals wouldn't tend to chat with the staff, for sure. That's one of the things Princess Diana got into trouble for - hanging out with the servants, it just wasn't done. The poor woman would sometimes go to the kitchen and peel a few potatoes just to feel normal (according to Diana and one of her closest friends).
Ben would be used to knowing what was required without being told, which he'd pick up very very quickly. If he noticed Johnny had a favourite chair, he'd fluff up the cushions on said chair and put the morning paper next to it, as an example. He'd set the lights or temperature to the way he noticed Amber liked it, with her favourite kind of book within easy reach.
His standards would have been very high - in palace dining, there can't be a fork placed at the wrong angle. Think of the precision of our ceremonies in Britain, like the Changing of the Guard. The Palace needs to run like clockwork.
Like you said when he named Jerry Judge, he'd know everybody's name. Guests in the palaces changed all the time, and they'd be expected to remember after being told once. He has to have a phenomenal memory to do the job he does.
I loved the testimony from Ben. What a sweet guy.
Damn. I wish I had his memory! He seems extremely professional.
Ben King is my absolute favorite.
What a pleasure being able to be on the other side of this trial, being able to enjoy his testimony even more 😆
And I love seeing Johnny’s obvious affection for him ♥️♥️♥️
Kinda off topic but I love Ben King he reminds me of Alfred from Batman. 🥰
AH's expression, last time, when she wanted to pass for a victim: : <
AH's expression, this time, when it's obvious she was the aggressor: : |
The way AH’s team keep relying on the UK case comes off poorly to me. It makes their defense seems weak, especially when they try to impeach Ben with it.
Same, I want new things and them to present their own things not rely heavily on the UK case.
"I was at the end. I was broken" .....ugh, that got me so hard. Now I am bawling my eyes out ....I felt that deep inside.
Really appreciate the live action commentary that breaks down what is going on and what the motivations might be
I do not appreciate the talking over the attorneys & the testimony. But this is my first time here. With so many channels covering this it will probably be my last time here.
@@MzJust1girl it is a live commentary, it is expected Karynn
I appreciate the commentary especially during the triggery bits. I don't feel like I'm listening to this and reacting alone.
I don’t think Emily talks over them excessively, she needs to be able to hear what they’re saying to even be able to comment on it.
@@MzJust1girl I dislike another channel that has lots of commentary on this case because it’s so frequent and they interrupt each other too.
Emily’s comments are well timed and I feel like I actually am learning things from her. But I wanted to be a lawyer when I was young, and I’m a straight woman but I confess I have a girl crush on on her lol.
She did an amazing TED talk- worth checking out even if you don’t want to follow her UA-cam.
“you’re making this so much worse for me!”
yeah, that’s what my emotionally abusive ex said to me every time i tried to walk away from our arguments to take a breather. because how i felt and what was best for me apparently didn’t matter. all that mattered was that me leaving would be hard on him. selfish selfish selfish
What’s even more damming imo is that she claims to not have BPD but yet she verbally confirmed that her perceived abandonment was triggering her. Like suck it up and get fucking help lady, don’t make it into an excuse
Rewatching this after watching Amber’s testimony. Johnny’s recollections seem way more genuine. The only thing I think he ever downplays is how much he drinks. I think he’s embarrassed about it honestly, not even the drugs so much. It’s the drinking he can’t seem to admit is a bit out of control. Still the way he talks to her is always very calm. You can tell the audio they have of him yelling is like him at his last straw where she’s just pushed and pushed. He clearly takes his aggression out on inanimate objects and I think maybe he does have a destructive side, but because of suffering abuse as a child he just focuses his anger at anything but a person.
I mean, it’s not forbidden to yell. Just because you yell and / or drink, don’t mean you are physically abusive..
I was late to the party and started with Ambers direct.
And even there I thought "well, that sounds hysterical" and it seemed unbelievable.
Now, after hearing how he describes it, her side of the story just seems SOOO UNBELIEVABLE!!! 😂 She didn't do herself any favors by getting so furious and hysteric on the stand!
Also, I hadn't seen the pictures of the Australian "incident" before Amber described it.
And I just had to laugh when I saw them. The way she described it made me expect something COMPLETELY different 😂😂
Can you blame him?... I'd drink and do copious amount of drugs just to deal w her shiz? God bless that man.
I agree. I remember hearing him talk about his daughter hating when he drank.
I hate I’m not watching this live, but I love Ben so much. He is a precious human being
Ben’s observations make so much sense. I work in a cube in an office. I make it a point to pay attention to people’s moods, tones, conversations so I can anticipate needs, if to approach them about something mundane, etc. Can’t imagine how much you notice serving 2 people for 4 months.
I like that Ben answered the questions from both sides with the same demeanor. Didn't have "attitude."
The way she said COUCH sounds like the way you tell a dog to SIT!
My heart breaks for him that 1. This is public and 2. Hearing everything he went through. She took everything she could from him. Its heart wrenching to hear a man we look at as such a kind, inspiring, strong man to be hurting so badly that he told her take my blood. Its all I have left to give. I've had enough. I truly hope he gets the justice he deserves. I believe she needs to pay for her crimes.
He wanted it televised, she wanted the trial private. But she started all the public rumors with the released videos and tabloid publications. JD said at the beginning of the trial that he lost everything because of her, so I think now he's just matching her energy.
I'm addicted to hearing your commentary on this case. I've learned quite a bit about court strategy. Thank you for providing this for us all to watch!
How did you go from 216K to 222K????… in one day? Congratulations! 🍾🎉
“I believe the witness has made it clear that she was in the shower.”
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“Pivot!”
Legally Blonde & Friends references?!?Emily=Best commentator 🙌🏻
Yes! I never tire of that movie and I love references to it. Now I feel like rewatching it, lol
“I lost a finger” “It was a fair fight” i just got hit with how utterly twisted that is. Yikes
Wow! She is literally harassing him! So manipulative. Poor guy!!! She WONT STOP TALKING!!!!!!!!!i have anxiety after only a few minutes of this!
She drove him to drink more use drugs more beyond what he was doing already
@@polivepea No, she didn't. He's always struggled with drugs and maybe she was a bitch but he's an adult with a ton of financial resources. He could have turned to more counseling, another treatment program etc.
He complained about AH following his Dr's instructions on when he should take prescribed medication. He wanted it early and she said no- the whole focus of that trip was getting clean. He had a Dr. and a sobriety nurse there; there's a reason he didn't ask them for additional medications- they wouldn't have given it to him on demand.
He's describing her supporting his sobriety, it can't go both ways.
@@mtz6198 He's describing her supporting his sobriety in what, to me, seemed like a very self-serving way. She wanted him to get clean for her own purposes (aka control), not for JD. I think that's pretty clear from the fact she would still have him pour her drinks and would even ask him to get drugs for her after he got sober (seems like a stupid move for someone who cares about an addict's sobriety). Anyway, I don't think OP meant Amber drove him to drink/use drugs more ON PURPOSE, just that her behaviour definitely did not help Johnny's situation.
Someone literally told Emily to shut up in her own livestream today. That is the rudest thing I have heard in a while
Catching up after work and just saw someone tell Emily to shut up on her livestream... the live stream said person clicked on... unbelievable. Emily, thank you for the excellent commentary!
I honestly wasn't a fan of her talking over Ben King. She was so interested in him but yet kept talking over him.
@@kathleenwells1500 agree, if I did'nt want the commentary I would watch another channel
@@carochan86 the thing is, she is _only_ listening to him talking. She can kind of get a sentence out while still listening, I do it too. But we as audience are listening to two people talk over each other which makes it difficult 😆
@@EverGardens good point
Of all the audio I've heard, the only tome amber sounds like she's crying is when she's talking about getting her reputation and credibility back.
As someone with BPD who was in toxic relationships that were entirely my fault before I got therapy she sounds like I was before I got therapy. I would get manic when I thought someone was leaving me... the fear of abandonment is so strong that your brain goes fuzzy and you just beg for them to not leave. Its really hard to listen to because I relate 100% except I knew there was something wrong and I sought help. Now Im better, still have those feelings but I know what they are and am able to act better. Of course it still hurts and the abandoment fear is there but I know my emotions so Im able to react better. The fact that she is so blind to the help she needs is heartbreaking because you cant get help until you admit you need help...
Yes, I know someone with BPD, and the things that trigger her fear of abandonment are not things I would ever have taken as a sign that someone is abandoning you. It's just something she's extremely *extremely* sensitive to, and it reminds me a bit of Amber in those recordings. Kudos to you for seeking help, it's not always easy but all anyone can do is their best. 💕
@@catbeara I hope she got help! It’s hard to listen to but at the same time I feel really proud of myself knowing I was there and got to here.
@@skyybunnie yes, she's in therapy regularly and everything, but I know she still struggles. Hopefully things will get better for her with time - and for you as well! Therapy is tough but you're tougher. I'm proud of you too. 🥰
@@catbeara aww thanks at the beginning it was really hard still is of course but it gets better
@@skyybunnie it definitely does, kudos for sticking with it ❤️
I got curious about the money missing/taken by JD’s original accountant and lawyer. The amount taken is reported to be around $650 million! At one time before they embezzled JD’s $ he was worth almost $900 million from his years of acting. Poor JD is now worth around $150 million after all the attorney fees and trial costs both in the UK and USA and his generosity. Thank goodness for Ed White! Bless his heart. JD has gone through such heartbreaking experiences in his life. To have worked for decades as one of our greatest character actors and be taken advantage of by people he trusted over and over is tragic. I hope his revival brings better times for him and his family.
Spoilt teenage child “ lol I wasn’t expecting him to say that . 😂😂
Very accurate sir!
Even Rottenborn grinned when his coworker objected to his own question!!!!!
Emily, it is so wonderful to hear your comments, from the legal point of view, during this trial. I really feel for JD, AH has been very abusive. She has a history of violence in her past as well. I can only imagine how difficult, and at times, shameful that he is having to put his most private parts of life on the world stage. A person truly being abused DOES NOT antagonize the abuser, they want to do anything to avoid a confrontation! JD told her when he was going to record her, she recorded him without telling him. I don't understand why her secret recordings were allowed with the way the law is in the state that this is being tried. Both these people have flaws, don't we all, but my opinion, AH is one very disturbed and volatile person that needs some serious intervention.