If anything Netero cared a lot more about the hunter association than humanity. He even says when Fighting Meruem that he's sacred of listening too much because Meruem isn't entirely wrong about how unfit human Hierarchy is.
Actually Netero commits suicide, he stops his own heart to start the bomb even though realistically it would have been safer to force Meruem to be closer to him when his heart ended rather than warning him and giving him a chance to flee.
this right here he had already maxed out i dont know where exactly but it was stated that gon traded his life force for max potential so he skipped multiple years of life to get to his max someting netero already achieved naturally
Not exactly. He basically put a cap on himself during his peak not allowing himself to go past the point he was. This allowed him to store and compact it all inside so that he would be able to stay at his capped power for the rest of his life. Him getting in shape before the ark was him just shaking the cobwebs off and oiling the gears. He forced himself to stay weaker to prolong his selected cap in power for the rest of his life.
It's simple not everyonen is crazy like Gon. That form was not simply his inate talent manifesting but him willing to sacrifice everything for that moment, and just like Emperror Time, High Risk High Returns. He really should've died there if it weren't for Nanika.
I personally believe Netero had eaten the nitro rice and so is actually far more comparable to someone around half his age, Therefor Netero’s degradation had more to do with him letting himself go after years of not finding a worthy opponent than it did with him being old, Back in the first arc when Netero still had his beard it still had some colour in it down the bottom which tells me he had far more vitality than his age would usually dictate, We are aware of the fact that Netero did return to the dark continent once post his enlightenment and he seemingly traveled alone I believe this is when he likely consumed a large amount of nitro rice and I believe he never had any intention of bringing it back with him since I speculate that attempts to bring back something from the Dark continent is likely what attracts calamities, In other words I believe Netero had enough life left in him to make a worthy sacrifice for Zero hand, Sacrificing his vitality rather than his potential (which he had already achieved).
It's probably because netero is both old and already at his prime and has almost nothing to offer for a nen vow. Look at gon meanwhile. Dude is a one and a million/billion potential and at long before his prime. Giving up all that potential basically would give him that massive gain since gon would know he paid in full and then some.
No If you understood how Nen works then you wouldn’t even ask this question. Why everyone doesn’t do it is because it’s not always going to be the same for everyone. A Nen contract can take many forms and depends on the user and their needs. In Gon’s example, it was very situational. Same with Kurapika. What kind of contract would Netero have even been able to make in the first place? He’s already old and at his peak so he can’t replicate Gon. His only other option would have been to make a complex contract like Kurapika but he would not have had the time to do that during the fight as proof by Kurapika.
@@ivanbluecool I was giving you the broader view of Nen. You were on the right track but not quite there. Also I didn’t even mean to send all that. I responded to someone else initially then saw yours and meant to edit it.
A thing a lot of people miss is Gon didn't sacrifice JUST his body, his biggest sacrifice was his Potential not just his Nen but his literal LIFE, something only a child could do, the older you get the closer you are to your "actual potential" "if this is the end, I don't care, So I'll use everything" He essentially traded all the infinite potential of his Nen and growth for power, I think it's been said in one of his posts that Togashi said Gon could have become as strong as Gon-san if he just worked at being stronger his entire life, it was essentially him throwing away his potential of becoming that in the future for a shortterm burst now. Restriciton and pledge and all that. The restriction is "I won't ever be able to use Nen again" and the Pledge "I don't care if this is the end"
most people dont went trought the same turmoil and and stress gon went trought , and besides the transformation was about giving his full potential for a fight , even if someone else were to make the transformation it would not reach the same heights adult gon did
Netero wanted to die fighting his greatest opponent. He wanted his son to try. Becoming strong enough to kill Meruem would mean he'd suffer a fate worse than death, not being able to die (for the remaining lifespan he has).
We’re forgetting something pitou said. Gon traded ALL of his capability, prowess and nen ability to be used at once from his entire life span. Killua points out this would take YEARS of NON STOP training to reach- because its his max and full put out at once. Killua was horrified at the sacrifice he would have had to make, to have that much nen at once. Its because it’s EVERYTHING as Gon said, and Gon is an extreme prodigy as well as emotionally unstable. He meant it; and used all of it. When you’re half or over your life span, you could have already reached potential and just have a moderate amount of power generated to the end of your lifespan to where the difference won’t matter. Gon being a kid and sacrificing an entire life of a prodigy’s worth of nen is the reason he was that strong. Had netero been a kid and called on all his potential and all nen from throughout his life, that being even his older age, he would have most likely been just as broken if not more.
Gon’s potential far surpasses Netero, even if Netero in a similar situation and age did the same thing Gon showed that at his peak, he would’ve rivaled the ultimate biological life form, Meruem Gon was truly a monster
@@aceclover758 nah if Netero made the contract at Gons age he would be just as strong. it would be like doing the mountain traing since 12, on top of the added rage and not stopping till death.
@asura3229 no he would not Gon didn't gain any nee powers just an insane boost in physical and nen capacity Netero would just as strong but not gain his bodisathva cause he gained it at his 50s
Gon simply became the version of himself that would have existed had he trained for 20 or so years. The reason netero couldn’t do this is that he couldn’t get any stronger than he already was. It is not the case that gon used all the nen he would ever have all at the same time that is a common misconception. Idk if thats what u were saying but I just wanted to put my thoughts out there.
I think another variable is innate talent for leveraging nen contracts. If everyone was able to make these highly sacrificial contracts we'd see them used all the time in life or death situations. It would probably be the expected conclusion when nen users fight to the death.
its ironic and kind of a loophole that, the only reason gon is allowed to do this pact, is because in his mind he had a FUTURE, i bet that almost anyone in this situation would not wish for all the power they could have because, well, they'd think they're gonna die, what future would you be giving up to become strong if you're gonna die right now? you'd have to trick yourself into thinking you'll live and thats what gon does, he was never afraid of pitou, since the moment he arrived at the palace he wanted to fight 1v1, because he always had intentions of doing everything possible to defeat pitou AND live, to claim victory and take pitou to kite, then he tried to kill pitou anyways because thats how gon is, and then he calmed down, but when when he finds out kite is dead his brain turns off, when pitou says he's gonna kill him he doesn't care at all; he knows that he'll need a huge sacrifice to kill pitou, and can't imagine an universe where she kills him instead, he HAS to take revenge for kite and so he chooses to die in his own terms
This is pretty much true. Why everyone doesn’t do it is because it’s not always going to be the same for everyone. A Nen contract can take many forms and depends on the user and their needs. In Gon’s example, it was very situational. Same with Kurapika. What kind of contract would Netero have even been able to make in the first place? He’s already old and at his peak so he can’t replicate Gon. His only other option would have been to make a complex contract like Kurapika but he would not have had the time to do that during the fight as proof by Kurapika.
I think the most important bit is that Gon is extremely talented. Biscuit even said he was a diamond and Killua was a sapphire. Diamonds being far more valuable and rare than sapphires and you have seen how talented Killua is, making Gon all the more impressive. Sacrificing such potential and youth for a short span of great power works for him. Most people can't pull it off because they are too mediocre.
I don't think the diamond and sapphire statement should be taken as gon having far more talent than killua as bisky was just saying that they had potential that they hadn't unlocked yet, Wing said they were both in the same ballpark and if he noticed a large difference he would have mentioned it blatantly.
@@skylander5884i think it is, knowing bisky is a specialized hunter in that world (stone hunter or whatever the name is), there should be a reason she categorized both of them on different type of stones Also for wing statement, we could just assume that bisky is more reliable because she has more talent and specially more experience than wing, so she can see more details
@ Biscuit is a far more experienced than Wing. She wasn't even impressed or intimidated by Hisoka while Wing looked very trouble when he saw his aura. Also why would she use different gems to describe them if they had equal potential? She could have said they were both diamonds.
@@Rodiacreed She used different gems to describe gon and killua because they both have different characteristics like the gems. i recently reread some of the manga and on the page she calls killua a sapphire and gon a diamond, she doesn't mention potential at all, just the characteristics of the gems and how the boys reflect them.
@@skylander5884 I mean there's numerous times where Gon's potential is implied to be greater, the diamond/sapphire is just one of them (as bisky compares binolt to them right after, proving it was potential she was referring to)
I’ve wondered why Miluki was a manipulator-specialist midpoint, obviously kurapika can be explained by his scarlet eyes but what could it be for Miluki?
Netero couldn’t have made the same vow as Gon. The reason Gon actually literally ages up instead of JUST getting more power is because he’s not just getting powers, but he’s basically putting himself into his adult body. That is what Gon would actually look like if he became an adult. Gon already knew that one day he would be strong enough to kill Pitou, so he made a contract that he sacrifices his future as a not just a nen user, but as a human with a life and gave up all of his life force to have it “now.” Gon would have suffered for the rest of his living days, as a result of the condition we saw him in the chairman election arc, if Alluka hadn’t saved him. He had no more nen at all, which is what caused him to shrivel up. Basically, Netero couldn’t have made the same vow, because he didn’t have any more potential to get stronger in terms of aura quantity, at least not in the same way Gon did. Gon sacrificed his potential for suffering, by taking a ride for few minutes inside his future body. Netero was too old to do that.
I've thought about it for a while now. I'd like to, but it'll require quite a lot of research since I'm not too keen on how Gege handled Jujutsu as a power system and I don't wanna come off as a HxH fan just bashing a similar system.
@@dubssalamander After the Netero VS [someone] vid, I'll be doing a 12th prince Momoze character overview and analysis, which should be rather.... brief. As soon I'm done with that, I'll look into that JJk vid. It's been on my mind for a long while now.
It’s funny which character fits the 5 criteria for the transformation. Pitou 1. Pitou is a specialist 2. Pitou had such strong emotions it triggered post mortem Nen 3. Do you think a chimera ant royal guard has high potential? 4. Pitou is less than a year old with a possible lifespan counted in the centuries 5. Any royal guard would gladly suffer a fate worse than death to destroy a threat strong enough to kill the king With other characters you could argue that they do not know the transformation is even possible, but Pitou saw it being done.
I don’t think pitou ever had potential to rival the king, otherwise the king would not be the undisputed culmination of Chimera Ant evolution. Pitou started out on a much higher level than the humans but more rapidly approached the plateau of potential nen capacity. He went as far beyond his limits as he could against Gon
amazing analysis. i would also add that gon has such a simple nen ability that he likely had a lot of “mental room” to conceive of this way of using his power to accomplish his goals. the simplicity of jajanken vs something bespoke like kastro’s ability gives him a lot of wiggle room to be creative. i think this is highlighted by the fact that even in his adult form, he chooses to use the one ability he already has to crush pitou. he wants to win on his terms, and show himself that he isn’t weak (edit: this also happens every arc, gon won’t accept victory unless he deems it worthy (hanzo, gen thru, asking chrollo why kills people, etc). i think he thought victory this time meant both a world where he and pitou die, so he gets revenge for kite, while also getting to be “like kite (dead))
@@bram_adams Thanks! "Nen memory" as Hisoka termed it (if I recall correctly), may very well have something to do with it. It's possible that if one's memory is exhausted, like you mentioned in the case of Kastro, undergoing the transformation simply may not be possible. I don't personally think he could've spontaneously any other type of hatsu, since the ebhancement-based transformation is just a gigantic boost to his statline based on his maximum potential. Doing something similar, but developing the perfect hatsu to counter one's opponent may may be something Gon would've done had he been a Specialist. Actually, you've just given me one, maybe even two video ideas.
Sucks that gon didn’t even reach his full power . Maybe physically but not knowledge of nen nor wisdom or anything . If he lived a long life and developed many techniques and ways of using his nen then we would see a real full power
Gon gave up his potential and paid immediate consequences. It’s also important that Gon’s rage bolstered the resolve required to perform the vow. Much like how Kurapika’s hatred for the spiders bolsters the resolve required for his chain abilities. Netero has less latent potential at his old age, and he wanted to fight with the strength he’d earned over the course of his life- not strength gained through a nen vow- and when his hard-earned power wasn’t enough, he used the bomb because the job still needed to get done.
Hard to see if Netero got bigger after his time on the mountain. His muscles aren't exactly consistent. And when Togashi explains what he'd been doing all he says is that he was charging up Zero hand. So it seems like weeks to months of his life force were being poured into the attack rather than him containing all that aura for a general power amp. Though I've always assumed that Netero had some kind of general amp knowing that this was his final fight. .
Ya know if some one was to caculate the amount of hair he grew and divide by average hair growth between age he is at and we can assume it is when he fully transforms we could determine how much of his lifespan he lost for that.
I guess this questions arises because people think Gon's transformation was sort of a last resort button. Nen is based on mental resolve, and Gon had the time between Kite's death and his confront with Pitou to "mature" his hatred into a nen ability. His transformation was something he already had in mind when he said he almost killed Morel. Someone like Netero couldn't do what Gon did simply because he didn't have the resolve to do so.
Gon didn’t have the transformation in mind until he made it It was a spur in the moment decision since once e found out Kite was dead, he just didn’t care anymore
pretty sure because of the wording of gons transformation. he wants all the power he will ever have all at once. so his transformation isn’t an accurate representation of an adult gon but rather what gon would look like if he gained all the aura he would ever have at once. as an old man netero wouldn’t gain anything from this transformation
I haven't seen the video yet, but Zero Hand is pretty much the equivalent of Gon's transformation. He used every ounce of nen he had left to an extreme degree. In fact his frail body looked very similar to Gon's frail body after he transformed.
Gon freecs is Don freecs. Look how monstrous Gon when he fight pitou. It looks like he became a Darkcontinent Monster. Don freecs found the life extending fruit in dark continent, and when he eat that, he became baby again, that is the effect of the fruit. Gin freecs bring Don freecs which became a baby to the island, and he change Don freecs name to Gon to avoid problem. Thats why theres a complexity of father-son relationship between Gon and Gin. Gin is not the father of Gon. Gon is the father of Gin, its another way around. Thats why Gin freecs dont interact with Gon like his own child because he know that Gon is his father Don. Sorry for bad english.
If you understood how Nen works then you wouldn’t be asking this question. Why everyone doesn’t do it is because it’s not always going to be the same for everyone. A Nen contract can take many forms and depends on the user and their needs. In Gon’s example, it was very situational. Same with Kurapika. What kind of contract would Netero have even been able to make in the first place? He’s already old and at his peak so he can’t replicate Gon. His only other option would have been to make a complex contract like Kurapika but he would not have had the time to do that during the fight as proof by Kurapika.
In order to make a nen transformation you need to give something of value to yourself in return. Netero had nothing to offer, so he couldn't reach a deal.
If Netero "transformed" he would have wayyyy fewer years of power to draw from. And he would die an even worse death. Always take the sure thing with the nuke
Netero at the very least could've made a nen vow to put himself at top strength if he made the condition to atleast make it so that if he survives this last fight he'll never fight again... Or atleast try to imagine himself at his peak.
I would argue Zero hand was his version of a similar pact, aka trading off whats left of his aura forever for a big attack, just expressed differently and as you said he didnt have the same future potential to draw from. Also important to remember, adult gon is not a level of aura gon could ever reach naturally, thats not how it worked but a common misunderstanding. It was an amplification effect, aka, peak gon multiplied by (X), as all pacts and conditions work this way. For example, if his potential MoP were to be 150k aura, this form would be that multiplied that many many times over, 10 or more likely, albeit the exact amount of amplification being superfluous and impossible to know for sure.
@@chibisphere That was what I indeed, argued for, I believe. Netero's level of training was already considered as insane. Gon's would have been that taken up to eleven over a period of 20+ years.
@@theoverthinker348 yeah we dont disagree, was just sayin how i thought of it. Its common for first time viewers to think gon woulda been this strong naturally later in life, not that you said that, but i always point it out anyways that the amplification of the pact is a huge factor in making this possible
Reason being netero is not a fool.He understood the value of life.And what it meant too lose it before he even ran into meruem. Netero went all the way too the said dark continent.Therefor he must have then feelt a thousands times more desperate then gon did after kite. Yet he did not snuff himself out why?Because he has conviction. And he won’t let his own selfish emotions get in the way of the plan.He did everything.That he could.Never less and didn’t put his faith in nen curses
I don’t think that Gon’s transformed state was a possible level to achieve naturally regardless of training, remember that aura is literally “life energy” he took an entire life time’s worth of life energy and compressed it into one moment. That amount of aura just isn’t possible to have at one time naturally
I mean... I'm sure anybody who hasn't yet reached their prime can do something like this. The issue is just that they would still have to give up their life for a fate worse than death, and would get a power increase vastly lower than Gon's. Like, if Hisoka did this, he would get a transformation 20% weaker by default, and even weaker still as a result of him being much closer to his prime. He probably wouldn't even be twice as strong, but would still suffer forever.
1.he can’t. This is my theory it only works if your young and haven’t reach ed a lot of your potential plus adult Gons transformation was because he was protected by adults so much once he had to experience pain for himself he broke and became an adult it’s a significant ion.
Imo, What Gon did was a wasteful sacrifice for power, Netero sacrificed his enjoyment of battle and capped his physical strength at 90% to make his real fight the most exciting and worthy of dying from...Reminding me Kenpachi from Bleach.
@spaghettimaghetti5042 well this is a move only gon pulled off as he could've in a semi spicifc situation, it's pretty possible no one else did something like this before and therefore netero couldn't have known about it Look if i were to be generous maybe netero thought about a move like this before in a theoretical way but didn't do much with it and left it as a mere thought because let's be real nothing suggests in the anime that netero did know of this spicifc ability being a possibility so that's as far as it goes
@@darklordofthesithpitou3360 netero obviously knows that a thing such as a “nen contract”exists but he probably didn’t think of using it to revert to his prime self
@spaghettimaghetti5042 everybody knows Nen vows obviously , but this is a spicifc use and case Assuming he knows or not for absolute is technically not possible as it is but he most likely didn't know of this spicifc use since its something we only saw with gon
My dumb reason, Netero gave f's when it came saving humanity.
While Gon didn't give a f anymore.
If anything Netero cared a lot more about the hunter association than humanity. He even says when Fighting Meruem that he's sacred of listening too much because Meruem isn't entirely wrong about how unfit human Hierarchy is.
@@RadarFinsRscared?
1. It's suicide.
2. It's not really Netero's personality or style.
3. He had already maxed out.
Netero doesn't have the guts
@Human_traainCrazy to say that when he nuked his own ass as a last middle finger.
Actually Netero commits suicide, he stops his own heart to start the bomb even though realistically it would have been safer to force Meruem to be closer to him when his heart ended rather than warning him and giving him a chance to flee.
this right here he had already maxed out i dont know where exactly but it was stated that gon traded his life force for max potential so he skipped multiple years of life to get to his max someting netero already achieved naturally
He reach his full power so he can't go beyond it
@@michaelbraxton137 I fought against using a "Beyond" joke the whole vid, but you're making it real difficult, my man.
Not exactly. He basically put a cap on himself during his peak not allowing himself to go past the point he was. This allowed him to store and compact it all inside so that he would be able to stay at his capped power for the rest of his life. Him getting in shape before the ark was him just shaking the cobwebs off and oiling the gears.
He forced himself to stay weaker to prolong his selected cap in power for the rest of his life.
Obviously he hasn’t tried to use binding vows since the Heian era
Naw fr, If Netero used his, Domain-Expansion,Garden of Guanyin, Meruem King of Ants, would have lost. (Low Rct output) @Deeper489
It's simple not everyonen is crazy like Gon. That form was not simply his inate talent manifesting but him willing to sacrifice everything for that moment, and just like Emperror Time, High Risk High Returns. He really should've died there if it weren't for Nanika.
I personally believe Netero had eaten the nitro rice and so is actually far more comparable to someone around half his age, Therefor Netero’s degradation had more to do with him letting himself go after years of not finding a worthy opponent than it did with him being old, Back in the first arc when Netero still had his beard it still had some colour in it down the bottom which tells me he had far more vitality than his age would usually dictate, We are aware of the fact that Netero did return to the dark continent once post his enlightenment and he seemingly traveled alone I believe this is when he likely consumed a large amount of nitro rice and I believe he never had any intention of bringing it back with him since I speculate that attempts to bring back something from the Dark continent is likely what attracts calamities, In other words I believe Netero had enough life left in him to make a worthy sacrifice for Zero hand, Sacrificing his vitality rather than his potential (which he had already achieved).
It's probably because netero is both old and already at his prime and has almost nothing to offer for a nen vow.
Look at gon meanwhile. Dude is a one and a million/billion potential and at long before his prime. Giving up all that potential basically would give him that massive gain since gon would know he paid in full and then some.
No If you understood how Nen works then you wouldn’t even ask this question. Why everyone doesn’t do it is because it’s not always going to be the same for everyone. A Nen contract can take many forms and depends on the user and their needs.
In Gon’s example, it was very situational. Same with Kurapika. What kind of contract would Netero have even been able to make in the first place? He’s already old and at his peak so he can’t replicate Gon. His only other option would have been to make a complex contract like Kurapika but he would not have had the time to do that during the fight as proof by Kurapika.
@demontiming3234 all you did was agree with me in the second paragraph by literally just copying it and changing a few words. Kinda lazy buddy.
@@ivanbluecool I was giving you the broader view of Nen. You were on the right track but not quite there. Also I didn’t even mean to send all that. I responded to someone else initially then saw yours and meant to edit it.
A thing a lot of people miss is Gon didn't sacrifice JUST his body, his biggest sacrifice was his Potential not just his Nen but his literal LIFE, something only a child could do, the older you get the closer you are to your "actual potential"
"if this is the end, I don't care, So I'll use everything"
He essentially traded all the infinite potential of his Nen and growth for power, I think it's been said in one of his posts that Togashi said Gon could have become as strong as Gon-san if he just worked at being stronger his entire life, it was essentially him throwing away his potential of becoming that in the future for a shortterm burst now.
Restriciton and pledge and all that.
The restriction is "I won't ever be able to use Nen again" and the Pledge "I don't care if this is the end"
They dont got that dawg in them lol.
most people dont went trought the same turmoil and and stress gon went trought , and besides the transformation was about giving his full potential for a fight , even if someone else were to make the transformation it would not reach the same heights adult gon did
Netero wanted to die fighting his greatest opponent. He wanted his son to try. Becoming strong enough to kill Meruem would mean he'd suffer a fate worse than death, not being able to die (for the remaining lifespan he has).
We’re forgetting something pitou said. Gon traded ALL of his capability, prowess and nen ability to be used at once from his entire life span. Killua points out this would take YEARS of NON STOP training to reach- because its his max and full put out at once. Killua was horrified at the sacrifice he would have had to make, to have that much nen at once. Its because it’s EVERYTHING as Gon said, and Gon is an extreme prodigy as well as emotionally unstable. He meant it; and used all of it. When you’re half or over your life span, you could have already reached potential and just have a moderate amount of power generated to the end of your lifespan to where the difference won’t matter.
Gon being a kid and sacrificing an entire life of a prodigy’s worth of nen is the reason he was that strong. Had netero been a kid and called on all his potential and all nen from throughout his life, that being even his older age, he would have most likely been just as broken if not more.
Gon’s potential far surpasses Netero, even if Netero in a similar situation and age did the same thing
Gon showed that at his peak, he would’ve rivaled the ultimate biological life form, Meruem
Gon was truly a monster
@@aceclover758 nah if Netero made the contract at Gons age he would be just as strong. it would be like doing the mountain traing since 12, on top of the added rage and not stopping till death.
@asura3229 no he would not
Gon didn't gain any nee powers just an insane boost in physical and nen capacity
Netero would just as strong but not gain his bodisathva cause he gained it at his 50s
@ Again refer to my comment
Gon only became as strong as he did due to his immense inborn potential
Gon simply became the version of himself that would have existed had he trained for 20 or so years. The reason netero couldn’t do this is that he couldn’t get any stronger than he already was. It is not the case that gon used all the nen he would ever have all at the same time that is a common misconception. Idk if thats what u were saying but I just wanted to put my thoughts out there.
He used all the power he had. Zero hand.
I think another variable is innate talent for leveraging nen contracts. If everyone was able to make these highly sacrificial contracts we'd see them used all the time in life or death situations. It would probably be the expected conclusion when nen users fight to the death.
its ironic and kind of a loophole that, the only reason gon is allowed to do this pact, is because in his mind he had a FUTURE, i bet that almost anyone in this situation would not wish for all the power they could have because, well, they'd think they're gonna die, what future would you be giving up to become strong if you're gonna die right now? you'd have to trick yourself into thinking you'll live
and thats what gon does, he was never afraid of pitou, since the moment he arrived at the palace he wanted to fight 1v1, because he always had intentions of doing everything possible to defeat pitou AND live, to claim victory and take pitou to kite, then he tried to kill pitou anyways because thats how gon is, and then he calmed down, but when when he finds out kite is dead his brain turns off, when pitou says he's gonna kill him he doesn't care at all; he knows that he'll need a huge sacrifice to kill pitou, and can't imagine an universe where she kills him instead, he HAS to take revenge for kite and so he chooses to die in his own terms
This is pretty much true. Why everyone doesn’t do it is because it’s not always going to be the same for everyone. A Nen contract can take many forms and depends on the user and their needs.
In Gon’s example, it was very situational. Same with Kurapika. What kind of contract would Netero have even been able to make in the first place? He’s already old and at his peak so he can’t replicate Gon. His only other option would have been to make a complex contract like Kurapika but he would not have had the time to do that during the fight as proof by Kurapika.
hxh has the coolest power system bro like it’s literally hax to be at ur greatest potential
I think the most important bit is that Gon is extremely talented. Biscuit even said he was a diamond and Killua was a sapphire. Diamonds being far more valuable and rare than sapphires and you have seen how talented Killua is, making Gon all the more impressive. Sacrificing such potential and youth for a short span of great power works for him.
Most people can't pull it off because they are too mediocre.
I don't think the diamond and sapphire statement should be taken as gon having far more talent than killua as bisky was just saying that they had potential that they hadn't unlocked yet, Wing said they were both in the same ballpark and if he noticed a large difference he would have mentioned it blatantly.
@@skylander5884i think it is, knowing bisky is a specialized hunter in that world (stone hunter or whatever the name is), there should be a reason she categorized both of them on different type of stones
Also for wing statement, we could just assume that bisky is more reliable because she has more talent and specially more experience than wing, so she can see more details
@ Biscuit is a far more experienced than Wing. She wasn't even impressed or intimidated by Hisoka while Wing looked very trouble when he saw his aura.
Also why would she use different gems to describe them if they had equal potential? She could have said they were both diamonds.
@@Rodiacreed She used different gems to describe gon and killua because they both have different characteristics like the gems.
i recently reread some of the manga and on the page she calls killua a sapphire and gon a diamond, she doesn't mention potential at all, just the characteristics of the gems and how the boys reflect them.
@@skylander5884 I mean there's numerous times where Gon's potential is implied to be greater, the diamond/sapphire is just one of them (as bisky compares binolt to them right after, proving it was potential she was referring to)
I’ve wondered why Miluki was a manipulator-specialist midpoint, obviously kurapika can be explained by his scarlet eyes but what could it be for Miluki?
I want to know that too.
Netero couldn’t have made the same vow as Gon. The reason Gon actually literally ages up instead of JUST getting more power is because he’s not just getting powers, but he’s basically putting himself into his adult body. That is what Gon would actually look like if he became an adult. Gon already knew that one day he would be strong enough to kill Pitou, so he made a contract that he sacrifices his future as a not just a nen user, but as a human with a life and gave up all of his life force to have it “now.” Gon would have suffered for the rest of his living days, as a result of the condition we saw him in the chairman election arc, if Alluka hadn’t saved him. He had no more nen at all, which is what caused him to shrivel up.
Basically, Netero couldn’t have made the same vow, because he didn’t have any more potential to get stronger in terms of aura quantity, at least not in the same way Gon did. Gon sacrificed his potential for suffering, by taking a ride for few minutes inside his future body. Netero was too old to do that.
Nice to see you back. I wonder If one day you will talk about Jujutsu Kaisen due to Curse Energy being so similar to Nen
I've thought about it for a while now. I'd like to, but it'll require quite a lot of research since I'm not too keen on how Gege handled Jujutsu as a power system and I don't wanna come off as a HxH fan just bashing a similar system.
@@theoverthinker348totally understandable but we really enjoy how you nitpick and “overthink” the limits of the power system. (at least I do)
@@dubssalamander After the Netero VS [someone] vid, I'll be doing a 12th prince Momoze character overview and analysis, which should be rather.... brief. As soon I'm done with that, I'll look into that JJk vid. It's been on my mind for a long while now.
@@theoverthinker348 sounds exciting! We’ll be waiting
It’s funny which character fits the 5 criteria for the transformation.
Pitou
1. Pitou is a specialist
2. Pitou had such strong emotions it triggered post mortem Nen
3. Do you think a chimera ant royal guard has high potential?
4. Pitou is less than a year old with a possible lifespan counted in the centuries
5. Any royal guard would gladly suffer a fate worse than death to destroy a threat strong enough to kill the king
With other characters you could argue that they do not know the transformation is even possible, but Pitou saw it being done.
I don’t think pitou ever had potential to rival the king, otherwise the king would not be the undisputed culmination of Chimera Ant evolution. Pitou started out on a much higher level than the humans but more rapidly approached the plateau of potential nen capacity. He went as far beyond his limits as he could against Gon
The Ants seem like they're born at their Max potential, plue she was already satisfied as she knew gon would die fighting her.
Ants live for a few months, not for centuries.
@asura3229we know that she wasn’t at max potential because of the togashi expo
could have thought of it if pitou still had a head by the time it was required
amazing analysis. i would also add that gon has such a simple nen ability that he likely had a lot of “mental room” to conceive of this way of using his power to accomplish his goals. the simplicity of jajanken vs something bespoke like kastro’s ability gives him a lot of wiggle room to be creative. i think this is highlighted by the fact that even in his adult form, he chooses to use the one ability he already has to crush pitou. he wants to win on his terms, and show himself that he isn’t weak (edit: this also happens every arc, gon won’t accept victory unless he deems it worthy (hanzo, gen thru, asking chrollo why kills people, etc). i think he thought victory this time meant both a world where he and pitou die, so he gets revenge for kite, while also getting to be “like kite (dead))
@@bram_adams Thanks!
"Nen memory" as Hisoka termed it (if I recall correctly), may very well have something to do with it. It's possible that if one's memory is exhausted, like you mentioned in the case of Kastro, undergoing the transformation simply may not be possible.
I don't personally think he could've spontaneously any other type of hatsu, since the ebhancement-based transformation is just a gigantic boost to his statline based on his maximum potential. Doing something similar, but developing the perfect hatsu to counter one's opponent may may be something Gon would've done had he been a Specialist. Actually, you've just given me one, maybe even two video ideas.
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Sucks that gon didn’t even reach his full power . Maybe physically but not knowledge of nen nor wisdom or anything . If he lived a long life and developed many techniques and ways of using his nen then we would see a real full power
Gon gave up his potential and paid immediate consequences. It’s also important that Gon’s rage bolstered the resolve required to perform the vow. Much like how Kurapika’s hatred for the spiders bolsters the resolve required for his chain abilities.
Netero has less latent potential at his old age, and he wanted to fight with the strength he’d earned over the course of his life- not strength gained through a nen vow- and when his hard-earned power wasn’t enough, he used the bomb because the job still needed to get done.
Because Netero was already his peak
Exactly, BUT by answering why HE can't in annoying detail, we can get to why just ANYONE doesn't do it.
Hard to see if Netero got bigger after his time on the mountain. His muscles aren't exactly consistent.
And when Togashi explains what he'd been doing all he says is that he was charging up Zero hand. So it seems like weeks to months of his life force were being poured into the attack rather than him containing all that aura for a general power amp. Though I've always assumed that Netero had some kind of general amp knowing that this was his final fight.
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Ya know if some one was to caculate the amount of hair he grew and divide by average hair growth between age he is at and we can assume it is when he fully transforms we could determine how much of his lifespan he lost for that.
He did transform, he transformed over the course of his life that was his limit.
Only one man can really go beyond him that’s why
I guess this questions arises because people think Gon's transformation was sort of a last resort button. Nen is based on mental resolve, and Gon had the time between Kite's death and his confront with Pitou to "mature" his hatred into a nen ability. His transformation was something he already had in mind when he said he almost killed Morel. Someone like Netero couldn't do what Gon did simply because he didn't have the resolve to do so.
@@lucasmanoel147 I don't think resolve is the only factor. Potential and age also play a tremendous factor.
Gon didn’t have the transformation in mind until he made it
It was a spur in the moment decision since once e found out Kite was dead, he just didn’t care anymore
pretty sure because of the wording of gons transformation. he wants all the power he will ever have all at once. so his transformation isn’t an accurate representation of an adult gon but rather what gon would look like if he gained all the aura he would ever have at once. as an old man netero wouldn’t gain anything from this transformation
I haven't seen the video yet, but Zero Hand is pretty much the equivalent of Gon's transformation. He used every ounce of nen he had left to an extreme degree. In fact his frail body looked very similar to Gon's frail body after he transformed.
@@onecrunch5308 In a way, yes, but I do not belive it's as similar as people think. Give it a looksee
Gon freecs is Don freecs. Look how monstrous Gon when he fight pitou. It looks like he became a Darkcontinent Monster.
Don freecs found the life extending fruit in dark continent, and when he eat that, he became baby again, that is the effect of the fruit.
Gin freecs bring Don freecs which became a baby to the island, and he change Don freecs name to Gon to avoid problem.
Thats why theres a complexity of father-son relationship between Gon and Gin.
Gin is not the father of Gon. Gon is the father of Gin, its another way around. Thats why Gin freecs dont interact with Gon like his own child because he know that Gon is his father Don.
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Did you not say you were going to change the channel's name?
This was beautiful
yeah most hunters try to not die in a blaze of glory when doing their jobs (relatable i know)
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If you understood how Nen works then you wouldn’t be asking this question. Why everyone doesn’t do it is because it’s not always going to be the same for everyone. A Nen contract can take many forms and depends on the user and their needs.
In Gon’s example, it was very situational. Same with Kurapika. What kind of contract would Netero have even been able to make in the first place? He’s already old and at his peak so he can’t replicate Gon. His only other option would have been to make a complex contract like Kurapika but he would not have had the time to do that during the fight as proof by Kurapika.
In order to make a nen transformation you need to give something of value to yourself in return. Netero had nothing to offer, so he couldn't reach a deal.
If Netero "transformed" he would have wayyyy fewer years of power to draw from. And he would die an even worse death. Always take the sure thing with the nuke
Cool video 👍
Netero at the very least could've made a nen vow to put himself at top strength if he made the condition to atleast make it so that if he survives this last fight he'll never fight again...
Or atleast try to imagine himself at his peak.
I would argue Zero hand was his version of a similar pact, aka trading off whats left of his aura forever for a big attack, just expressed differently and as you said he didnt have the same future potential to draw from. Also important to remember, adult gon is not a level of aura gon could ever reach naturally, thats not how it worked but a common misunderstanding. It was an amplification effect, aka, peak gon multiplied by (X), as all pacts and conditions work this way. For example, if his potential MoP were to be 150k aura, this form would be that multiplied that many many times over, 10 or more likely, albeit the exact amount of amplification being superfluous and impossible to know for sure.
@@chibisphere That was what I indeed, argued for, I believe. Netero's level of training was already considered as insane. Gon's would have been that taken up to eleven over a period of 20+ years.
@@theoverthinker348 yeah we dont disagree, was just sayin how i thought of it. Its common for first time viewers to think gon woulda been this strong naturally later in life, not that you said that, but i always point it out anyways that the amplification of the pact is a huge factor in making this possible
Why do you say that there was any multiplicative effect?
Reason being netero is not a fool.He understood the value of life.And what it meant too lose it before he even ran into meruem.
Netero went all the way too the said dark continent.Therefor he must have then feelt a thousands times more desperate then gon did after kite.
Yet he did not snuff himself out why?Because he has conviction.
And he won’t let his own selfish emotions get in the way of the plan.He did everything.That he could.Never less and didn’t put his faith in nen curses
I don’t think that Gon’s transformed state was a possible level to achieve naturally regardless of training, remember that aura is literally “life energy” he took an entire life time’s worth of life energy and compressed it into one moment. That amount of aura just isn’t possible to have at one time naturally
It is when your the most talented in the show
Killua said this state can only be achieved after decades of training
I mean... I'm sure anybody who hasn't yet reached their prime can do something like this. The issue is just that they would still have to give up their life for a fate worse than death, and would get a power increase vastly lower than Gon's. Like, if Hisoka did this, he would get a transformation 20% weaker by default, and even weaker still as a result of him being much closer to his prime. He probably wouldn't even be twice as strong, but would still suffer forever.
1.he can’t. This is my theory it only works if your young and haven’t reach ed a lot of your potential plus adult Gons transformation was because he was protected by adults so much once he had to experience pain for himself he broke and became an adult it’s a significant ion.
Imo, What Gon did was a wasteful sacrifice for power, Netero sacrificed his enjoyment of battle and capped his physical strength at 90% to make his real fight the most exciting and worthy of dying from...Reminding me Kenpachi from Bleach.
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1 netero might have not actually knew of this ability to begin with
2 he was gonna suicide with the bomb anyway sooo ....
netero is a nen genius why wouldnt he know
@spaghettimaghetti5042 well this is a move only gon pulled off as he could've in a semi spicifc situation, it's pretty possible no one else did something like this before and therefore netero couldn't have known about it
Look if i were to be generous maybe netero thought about a move like this before in a theoretical way but didn't do much with it and left it as a mere thought because let's be real nothing suggests in the anime that netero did know of this spicifc ability being a possibility so that's as far as it goes
@@darklordofthesithpitou3360 netero obviously knows that a thing such as a “nen contract”exists but he probably didn’t think of using it to revert to his prime self
@spaghettimaghetti5042 everybody knows Nen vows obviously , but this is a spicifc use and case
Assuming he knows or not for absolute is technically not possible as it is but he most likely didn't know of this spicifc use since its something we only saw with gon
in short: he already reached his full potential
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