Komugi does kill your point of Specialists being the only ones able to awaken their zetsu instead of developing their hatsu no? I believe that nen users on any category can "awaken" a hatsu relating to something they are deeply connected to.
Hmm, not really. Komugi is a "genius" i.e. someone who's partially awaken to Nen. This means that while she hasn't had formal training and can't consciously manipulate it, she's unconsciously developed what is most likely an Enhancement-based hatsu (since she's a pure Enhancer) to evermore increase her mastery of gungi, under the pledge that she'd kill herself were she ever to lose (this is unbeknownst to her a Nen an actual nen pledge). She most likely can't even enter zetsu, since she can't properly control her aura nodes.
@@theoverthinker348 yes, but what you said is that specialists are the only ones who "awaken" instead of developing a hatsu. Characters like Komugi debunk that. It is not the same as Komugi's Hatsu comes from something that is very dear to her and from her genius
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 Gooood point. When I say "awaken" I mean more like "spontaneously manifest." Komugi most likely developed her hatsu over a period of time as she practiced and focused on and fully devoted herself to gungi. On the other hand, an analogous genius who happens to be a Specialist, Neon, almost certainly spontaneously manifested her hatsu through pure desire alone. I don't think there's a real way to "practice" fortune telling after all. As I said in the video, I believe that Specialists more "come into" or "realize" their hatsu, while members of the five "regular" categories actually "develop them." To restate: Komugi "unconsciously developed" her hatsu, while Neon "unconsciously awakened/manifested it", Makes sense?
zetsu doesn't stop you producing aura or characters should die after using it for more than several minutes, it simply holds it within the body and stops it from escaping. most abilities manifest a physical effect, ergo needing external aura; but a foresight ability is solely in the mind. that's my counterpoint to your bit about terry's ability.
@@ESPmrBrough Yeah, should've been clearer, when I say "not outputting any aura" that's what I meant. That's a solid point, but based on everything we've been told and have seen, I don't believe a non-Specialist would be able to activate their hatsu while in total zetsu. Or really do anything else with their Nen. Zetsu's been established as a total supression of Nen, making the user vulnerable to even the slightest Nen-empowered attacks and shutting them out from usng their hatsu. That's why it's considered such a tremendous risk, with some users, such as 2nd prince Camilla, in part, using it as a condition for her stupidly strong ability.
maybe, but maybe not. we already have precedent for things that should be considered hatsu but are just inherent skills, and that's before touching the semantics of what hatsu even is and i disagree about the zetsu bit bc the info you cite there was stated in the context of physical attacks either way tho its always fun to speculate and togashi could prove us both wrong soon(tm) lol
Regarding this idea of hatsu in the mind working while in zetsu, imagine Knuckle had this huge drawn-out fight to make someone go bankrupt, finally manages it, but then they reveal their hatsu's condition was that they needed to enter zetsu. That'd be the biggest heartbreak ever.
@@scramble7902 that's an interesting thought. assuming it works in that way, it would be an example of how you can screw yourself by developing a hatsu for combat while not knowing all the ways nen can be used. or you could just put the L down to a bad matchup lol
It does stop aura production, just reread the Kurapika vs Uvoguine fight " a forced zetsu, which prevents any aura production. Aura is like a fuel for nen, without It, impossible to generate any power, and the only way to break the chains is physical strength"
The way i understand it it's like an RPG class (Nen affinity) vs stats points (Nen proficiency) distribution, the other 5 affinities are set classes but the specialist is like a null class, given one set mechanic but free to distribute their stats around it however they see fit
People who steal abilities could just be able to utilise 100% of the categories used to make up that stolen ability after meeting the conditions to use the ability, Furthermore it’s possible that Chrollo uses the aura of the user to utilise the ability since he needs them to be alive or have post-Mortem nen in order to use the ability.
I feel like this is closer to the answer. It's not just Skill Hunter. Every nen ability that steals another nen-user's ability has the original user cut off from it. Steal Chain and Rental Pod explicitly call that out as well, and well Benjamin has yet to have a dead supporter resurrected. If there is a uniform rule for stealing abilities: Rental Pod is probably the most telling of any of these. Leol's debtors don't lose access to their nen abilities until he calls the favor in and tears his ticket up. I agree with The Overthinker that Nen levels are meaningless for a steal ability. Simply because we have never heard anyone opine "This skill is too advanced for me to steal." or see a steal ability fail or a thief fail to use it reasoning on that line. However if that pattern holds with the recent reveal of non-specialist steal abilities, it cannot mean that's a "specialist only special ability" to bypass aptitude requirements. I think steal abilities may better be described as stealing a user's expression of their nen technique, rather than simply adding the technique itself into the thief's nen repertoire. The Thief when using the ability either dumps their raw aura into the ability and the original user's methods of channeling nen inherent to the technique snap it into place. Or steal abilities funnel their nen into the stolen ability through the nen category their steal ability is, which is likely to be their most favorable category.
Oh, interesting idea, but what is the sixth one? Something centered around perception (considering how common that theme is in specialist), like “sensor”? Or maybe something abstract themed around coping other hatsus like… “Mirror?” Or would “Mimicer” or “Copier” work better?
i just came up with sum like they could replace the 6th circle with “enchanter” where you can charge something with unique properties of nen, kind of like a mix between manipulation and transmutation
Nen is a system that’s been given meaning by the people who use it, maybe even the hunters don’t know how nen or specialization works completely. I kinda like that idea tbh.
This would also fit the whole thesis at the end of the anime, where the world of Hunter Hunter is interesting because of the mystery, and the vastness of said mystery.
we got information in chapter 402 that hints towards Tserriednich nen beast (not the guardian spirit beast, the other one) having a nen storage function which is how the ability is used while he is in zetsu.
TLDR; My thoughts on how Specialists interact with the rest of the Nen chart: Specialists have a core ability which they supplement with the features of other categories. Chrollo and Leol copy abilities and use Conjuration for external storage, to facilitate conditions and limitations and maybe Manipulation to prevent others from using copied abilities. Pitou resurrects and preserves corpses with their Aura intact and uses Conjuration, Emission and Manipulation to repair and control those corpses. Paku can read the essence of memory, and uses Conjuration, Emission and Manipulation to transmit those memories to others or delete them from a target. Overlaps either explained or disputed below. Chrollo: Chrollo's Specialist ability is to copy abilities. He uses Conjuration to make a book to let him store abilities and help create a set of limitations for his ability. (Target must touch book to steal ability, book must be open and must be held in hand, only abilities on opened pages can be used.) Potentially Manipulation is also used to prevent copied abilities from being used by their original owner. Pure speculation, but without the book, Chrollo would be limited in how many abilities he could store, perhaps only being able to copy one or two abilities at a time or possibly being unable to use his ability at all. Leol also has the Specialist ability to copy abilities. Similar to Chrollo, Leol has his Conjured Rental Pod, which stores instances of where someone has agreed to an IOU. This is effectively the same as the book external storage for abilities. Leol also imposes limits on his ability with his conjured rental pod and trades the numerous conditions of Bandit's Secret for a simple admission of debt and a timed limit on how long he can use an ability. Both Leol and Chrollo share the effect of preventing the use of abilities they've copied. This is either a Manipulation ability being used similar to Shikaku's Culdecept, or is an inherent property to their Specialist ability, in which case they steal abilities and not copy. To further my opinion that the standard efficiency penalties apply to Specialists, when Chrollo fights they tend to do so Conjuration, Specialist and Manipulation abilities, with only one exception where an Emission ability is used to move Nobunaga. Adjacent or matching category abilities are preferred. At time of writing Chrollo has used an Emission ability once and never an Enhancer or Transmuter ability's. Leol fights substantially less, but also follows this trend of mainly using Manipulation or Conjuration abilities (Flutter and the Surf Board ability). The famous fight with Hisoka shows that Chrollo accepted more conditions on Bandit's Secret in order to better mix these stolen abilities together. Whilst Emission probably was a supporting ability and depending on what Sun and Moon ends up being, not once was an ability predominantly from the top half of the Nen Ring used. Chrollo did want to steal Zeno's Emission ability, but I would wager that even if successful Chrollo would use the ability sparingly, I'm sure he already has similar abilities stolen and would instead prefer to selectively apply Conjurer or Manipulation abilities as he's already shown to do. What seals this for me is that from a story telling point of view if the standard category efficiencies apply, then Bandit's Secret would effectively become the antithesis of Kurapika's Emperor Time. Where Emperor Time lets you use all categories efficiently, but with level limits still applied, Bandit's Secret removes level limits but still applies efficiency. Pitou: Pitou's Specialist ability is to partially resurrect and preserve corpses bringing their Aura back. This comes from her failed attempts to resurrect Kite. Whilst not full resurrection - Pitou's ability brings back the targets Aura and preserves them from rotting. (Knuckle confirms he used his ability on Kite to seal specifically his aura in Chapter 222 and Pitou confirms the rotting prevention in chapter 304.) She developed Doctor Blythe - a Conjuration ability to repair bodies (dead or alive) and Terpsichora, a Conjuration, Manipulation and Emission ability to control the resurrected corpses like puppets. This overlaps with Illumi's Corpse Puppets and Misha Hao's Zombie Girl, but with two key differences. The corpses repaired with Doctor Blythe and Manipulated with Terpsichora do not decay and have Aura. Illumi and Misha's ability have only been confirmed to control corpses, not preserve them or bring them back to full fighting power. Also as a side note - this is an example of a Specialist ability failing to fully manifest, as it appears resurrecting the dead is beyond the abilities of Nen, instead Pitou's ability manifested as close as it could possibly get. Pakunoda: Pakunoda's ability is often said to be Manipulation, and overlaps with two other non Specialist abilities, however I'd argue that there is only one type of over lap that can be explained and shows how Specialists interact with other categories. Pakunoda's Specialist ability is to read a target's memories when she touches them, effectively she can view a target's memories like a video. She also has abilities presumably using Emission and Manipulation to fire a bullet that transmits memories to others or deletes memories she has already read from a target. Lynch Fullbokko has the Emitter and maybe Manipulation ability to ask a question and if she hits a target, a truthful answer is verbally Emitted from the target, only she and the target and hear the answer. In this instance, she is not reading memories, only forcing truthful verbal information. At the end of the Yorknew City arc Pakunoda meets Squala and uses her ability to read his memories to see Kurapika's face, Lynch would not be able to see Kurapika's face, only hit Squala and get verbal confessions to questions she asks. Lynch's ability acts like a truth serum and forces externalising thoughts - but it is nothing to do with memories. When Halkenburg's Nen Beast applies its Feather Mark to a target, the target loses the memory of the event and loses conscious, this is said by Kurapika to be common of Manipulator attacks. This is similar to how Paku is said but not shown to delete memories - the key difference is that the Nen Beast does not "read" or take in any of the targets memories and only deletes very recent memories. Paku can use Manipulation techniques to delete memories - which when combined with her Specialist ability can actively target precise memories, not just very recent ones. Memories can be altered by Manipulation, but they cannot be read by them - that is unique to Pakunoda's Specialist ability. General Combat, Enhancement and Specialists: Your point about how close combat for Specialists is entirely right - the way the system is explained does make it seem that Enhancement boosts general combat - but I think Enhancement only comes into play when using more advanced applications like Gyo, Ko, Shu and Ryu. Conjuror's like Knuckle, Kite and Genthru with a mere 60% efficiency in Enhancement were all more than capable close combat fighters, capable of fighting a low level but talented Enhancer like Gon without issue, Kite even was a powerhouse with some outstanding feats. During Greed Island Enhancement only seemed to come into play when Gon and Killua were using Ko to reinforce rocks during their training and only seems to be a factor in fights when Gon uses his Jajanken or when Uvogin focuses his aura on something either his lungs or his Big Bang Impact. Whilst it seems to be the quickest way of increasing destructive power, it is just an option in a wider set of powers. For general Nen combat, I think the core set of Ten, Zetsu and Ren are unaffected by what category you are in, certainly close combat is not an inherent strength of the lower three categories, but it is not a weakness. Enhancers naturally have some better close combat tools, but these are just options part of a bigger set, hence why this issue is seldom brought up. A final note, on instant Hatsu creation, I'm wary about the notion that Specialst abilities just suddenly awaken fully manifested, when the examples of instant ability awakening all have some caveats and strings attached: Komugi was an Enhancer and her ability was to purely Enhance her Gungi ability. Tssereidnich does instantly create an ability, however, he is not alone in this. Terrorsandwich and Halkenburg had both undergone the seed urn ritual giving them Nen Beasts, does the ritual also forcibly gave all participants an ability, a parallel to the contagion ability on the lower decks. Halkenburg is also a Manipulator and had his ability appear fully formed along side Emission and Transmutation features. Pitou was a Royal Guard with vast amounts of Aura and born non Human pre-awakened to Nen, they also failed to fully manifest their desired ability to fully raise the dead. Cheetu was a Conjuror. Also weird exception to the Conjurors must train extensively to create an object rule. Leol, a Specialist, had his ability awakened by Shiapouf's unseen cocoon ability which creates a hatsu for a target. It also took him several days to master. Kurapika's Emperor Time was awakened due to his unique Kurta biology - it is unconfirmed, but do all Kurta have the Emperor Time ability? Emperor Time is also just one aspect of Kurapika's ability - the rest is handled by his various Chains which he needed to create and train for himself.
I just wish tohashi could get healthy enough to finish the manga or supervise someone trusted doing it for him. Hxh has so much potential it’s very disappointing watching it not happen
It doesn't matter that specialists only have 40% efficiency in enhancement because any nen category can still use the basic principles and those principles will always be more important if we are talking simple combat. No manipulator, for example, is going to make an enhancement-based nen ability to compensate for their lack of physical defenses. Rather, they will train their aura output, gyo, or even conduct physical training for a better effect. The nen distribution as far as im aware only affects hatsu.
Yea but enhancer aura also dictates how much you can enhance your body with ten, Ren Ken, gyo etc This is why a conjuror like Kurapika said he could not 100% block bullets with gyo on his body but Uvo can take one multiple bullets and a rpg with little to no damage
I always thought that by this logic, could En efficiency be related to how close you are to Emission on the chart? Wouldn't be surprising. I like to think that all of the categories have certain properties the others don't. Doesn't make them weaker or stronger just different. Transmuters may be able to change the shape of their aura faster making them more efficient at using Shu or Ko for example.
@@TJE.13 The non Hatsu techniques are based both on your skill level and your category to a certain extent Shu and Ko isnt changing the shape of your aura. If anything, those two are best for enhancers and in terms of shu, emitters if the object seperated from your body BTW, EN isnt emission since emission seperated aura from your body. En just expands the aura around you, not separating it
3:57 There is aura. Zetsu only closes your nodes, but all living creatures have aura inside them even if they don't know how to use it. I think because Terror Sandwich power functions on his head he is using aura that is inside his body.
The nen beast probably provides the aura that feeds the technique as it is stated that the tsereeindich sees the future from the POV of the nen beast implying that the beast probably has something to do with his ability.
The way I believed "Terror Sandwich's" hatsu to work is that it is actually the ability of his nen beast (his actual one and not the succession war one) and that the nen beast has a tremendous amount of power due to the incredibly vulnerable state he has to put himself in for the beast's ability to activate. This way, the aura required to fuel to hatsu would be from his emitted nen beast's persistence after Zetsu is entered.
Firstly, let me say that I'm a fan and this is meant solely as disagreement, but I heavily disagree. For the first argument: 1: Komugi is an enhancer that awakened her hatsu without developing it. 2: The 4th prince's ability does not break the rules of nen. Zetsu means you can't open your nodes to release aura, it doesn't mean your body contains no aura. The first part of his hatsu only affects his own brain, whereas the hatsu only effects other things outside his body once he ends zetsu. This is entirely consistent with everything we know about zetsu, nen, and hatsu. 3: Specialization can lead to meta abilities that affect the base system of nen itself due to the open-ended categorization of the type. This isn't new information. For argument #2: 1: Kurapika is clearly talking about hatsu when saying that learning nen type doesn't hurt a specialist due to the open-ended nature of the category. Knowing that your opponent is a specialist does not help you decern what their ability is. This is not the same as Kurapika saying that knowing they are a specialist means you've learned nothing valuable. 2: The problem with using Chrollo or any one character as a data point is your interpretation. Yes, Chrollo survived a flurry of strikes from Zeno. How can you know that Chrollo has a high % and not just that he is much stronger than Zeno, and both of them implied at the end of the battle? You can't. You also have the battle with Hisoka where Chrollo avoids a physical fight with Hisoka above anything else. An exchange of fists was seen as Chrollo's lose condition. 2.1: You also need to keep in mind that the arm wrestling ranking is without aura. Not only does this ignore aura from a total amount and output sense, but how much aura enhances their strength is also off the table. The arm wrestling rankings are done in a way that favors those futher from enhancement. 2.2: Meleoron is another interesting example. Unlike many others, we know how strong he should be as a squadron leader with the other squadron leaders as comparison. Yet he, one of only two specialist chimera ants that isn't a royal guard, compares himself to the lowest ranking chimera ants in terms of physical ability. The other specialist being Leol, who never engaged in traditional combat and did whatever he could to avoid melee with a conscious foe. That certainly hints towards a traditional distribution imo. 3: Again, yes, specialization is an open-ended category. As for manifestation as being 'pre-wired', besides the above example of Komugi, we have those that learn nen abilities without knowing anything, such as the chimera ants. Only Neferpitou was given the explanation by Pockle. Other chimera ants were able to manifest hatsu without even basic information. Seen with the spider chimera ant didn't know the basics of conjuration when fighting Shizuku or when Cheetu created a hatsu in 5 seconds flat. This happens more to specialists, this I am willing to conceed. The issue is, why? Author bias? That the characteristics of a specialist lends itself to that? We can't know. But given that we have multiple examples of those in other categories manifesting hatsu without being taught, I think it's more than fair to dismiss the idea that it's exclusive to specialists. 4: While I agree that most if not every specialist develops their ability over time as a means of self-discovery, I'd argue this is just a consequence of the categories idea space. I'm sure you've made your fair share of hatsu. So you know that specialization is the hardest to think of. 5: Pitou can keep something that's dead from rotting and even allow it to continue to produce and use its own aura, stated when Knuckle said he had to place Kite's body in zetsu when capturing him. I'd say defying death and continuing the use of nen in something dead is clearly specialization. It clearly still uses conjuration and manipulation when needed. Specialization is not a magical catch-all. It's "anything outside the other 5 categories." There is a reason that specialists tend to most often use conjuration or manipulation. There is a reason Chrollo never uses an enhancement hatsu. There is a reason why conjuration and manipulation have a 60% use of each others category. And that reason is that is because it is a proper category with a proper distribution. Nothing we've been told is a lie.
@@Javetts I tried replying in-between sets at the gym, but the app closed and deleted my drafts TWICE. So, I'll be spamming you with 2-3 separate comments in order to reply to at least some of the (excellent) points you've raised: 1. I answered this in a previous comment that has now been pinned, since more peeple have raised the same (great) point. 2. Total Zetsu has thus far been heavily established as the total suppression of ones aura, which entails the supression of ones hatsu, since supressed aura cannot be manipulated. This is conjecture, but it's from this that the power of using zetsu as a condition (Camilla) or effect (Pika's Chain Jail) comes from. HOWEVER, even if it were the case that certain "internally focused" hatsu could be activated while in total zetsu, that certainly would not apply to Terror-Sandwich. His hatsu is facilitated by the Nen Beast he came pre-wired with. Apart from therr being no other reason for it to exist otherwise, we also see that the perspective of his vision is obviously from its POV. That's as "external" of a hatsu as you can get without entering a conjured Nen space. Furthermore, Theta is most likely being controlled live out the future as seen in Sandwich's vision, which is yet anothet external influece. 3. I never claimed it was new. I simply never considered it before in this context.
@@theoverthinker348 late to reply, but I am not of the opinion that his nen beast is actually out at the time, simply manifesting in that spot when zetsu is removed. My basis for this is Palm's Blue Wink. She can also look at things from a position in which none of her aura is at. If she can, why can't he? I'm all for theories, but if we can explain everything with abilities we've already seen, I think we should assume that is the case. imo.
My position is kinda similar to your first thesis of Specialists being somewhat Custom in their categories. I think that the "Standard Nen Proficiency Distribution" is something that results from the human psyche and the standard way in which humans categorize and see the world. Specialists I believe couldd be often somewhat neurodivergent (mostly based on the characters we've seen being specialists with Neon, Chrollo, Binolt, Komugi, maybe Meleoron, maybe Nanika and Tserriednich all being probably neurodivergent and Kurapika needing a particular state of mind to become a Specialist), with many neurodivergent Specialists finding themselves with different Proficency Charts besides what is Standard for most people Weird and something that doesn't seem like Togashi would touch upon? Kinda, but I suspect that if we get to the Dark Continent we might find that most animals and creatures there use categories that fall under Specialization due to the creatures having different minds from human minds, and that they might have even more strange categories than what Custom Nen Categories would give us. For example, we have Nanika who operated on very strange rules: We know that she is naturally good at destroying things but terrible at healing, and those might be the "categories" under which the creatures of her species operate under. Rather than using an Enhancement/Transmutation/Conjuration/Specialization/Manipulation/Emission, perhaps Ai/Nanika's species most commonly uses a chart where Creation and Destruction are in opposite sides. And explorations of alien cultures is something Togashi definitely loves doing. The Ants would have used human categories because they mostly had human minds.
I personally don't think that specialists are any more broken than the other categories on average. It's all circumstantial and dependent on the situation, as well as the individual's talent, knowledge, and training in nen. For instance, an enhancer like Uvo could easily be considered "broken" against most opponents because he's killing most people just by punching them and his nen defenses are so strong that you can't hurt him without having hax of your own or by breaking through his crazy enhanced defenses yourself, which is unlikely. Plenty of emitters could easily be considered broken, as seen by characters like Razor, Silva, and Zeno. Silva can just dive bomb you with an attack that's too strong to block before you even know what happened, and Razor and Zeno can keep you at a distance while they completely overwhelm you. Then there are people like Knov who can just teleport you to an inescapable room to starve to death if they want. Manipulators like Shalnark and Illumi literally just need to touch you and you're effectively dead or worse, and Illumi has the added bonus of being sufficiently capable at throwing his darts from a distance, making him a constant threat. Even if they don't manipulate you directly, they can just mob you with enemies from a distance until they get a chance to kill or control you. Transmuters can be broken as seen by Killua, who can literally just electrocute you, and unless you have a defense against that or can dodge electricity, you're either dying or at the very least being stunned long enough for him to rip your heart out. This could also apply to Feitan. Oh, you broke my arm? Have fun getting burned alive by a miniature sun. That's not even to mention Hisoka, who is OP just through sheer versatility. Conjurers, although somewhat underutilized imo, also have massive potential to be broken. We see how dangerous nen beasts can be in the current succession war, being easily capable of wiping out squads of bodyguards before they're even aware of what's happening. You also have Genthru who can turn you into a walking explosive with countdown. Basho, who can speak his poems into existence. Then there's the other practical uses of conjuration, like Flutter having one of the best espionage abilities we've seen, Knuckle being able to beat almost anyone given the right circumstances, etc
I wish specialization was inside the nen ring and there was another category between transmutation and conjuration that let you change normal material's shape and properties (like tsubone rider high), and each specialist affinity is unique and depends on how close their own location is inside the ring, for example a specialist who has 100% affinity in all categories will be in the dead center
pariston facing up against tserreidnich in some way, even if just in a discussion or battle of wits, would be so cool, however unlikely. you never know when pariston is lying or telling the truth, and him coming face to face with tserreidnich’s GSB would be so humbling
The only thing that doesn't sit well with me is more the idea that a character could simply be strong on their own before applying nen, particularly, chrollo ranks above shizuku in arm wrestling, who is a conjurer and can compete in arm wrestling against Gon whos a natural enhancer. Another example would be the chimera ants, particularly neferpitou who was stronger than most characters before aquiring nen. A sister idea to this is the concept that enhancement doesnt just mean general super strength , instead you need an actual hatsu to make it work, as characters already enhance their physical characteristics with thinks like rev
Specialist are that special someone that can make an ability that could be weak very busted. Chrollo for example should be one of the weakest ability users in the series since he requires prep time and other people's abilities which reflect how he uses the spiders. If he did things by himself he wouldn't have gotten far. Kurapika trading in life force aka how he could have probably grown naturally as a fighter because he didn't want his rage to fade away so by the time he did grow older he probably would have moved on from his hate.
@@ivanbluecool Agreed. The thing I believe 'balances' them is the fact that they're hatsu are largely 'predetermined' , e.g. the Killua example I mentioned.
@@theoverthinker348 plus they are in general super geniuses too giving them an edge as well as able to bring people to them naturally while being stoic
As to nen classification system, or in other words the nen circle. I also noticed something really interesting about it that is, if we go from the top to bottom, the lower we go the more unpredictable the affinities become. Enhancers are incredibly simple most of the time and if you fight one, you will have a pretty good idea of what they'll do. Emition and transmutation also often aren't used too creatively. Yes there are exceptions but on average, it's transmuting aura into different substances or effects, most often stuff like fire, lightning and other things you could easily think about. Meanwhile emition is emition based hatsu will often be teleportation, bullet attack or a nen beast. Then if you fight a conjurer or manipulator, you might have an idea of what they might do, but there is such a vast pool of possibilities that it doesn't tell you much. Then knowing someone is a specialist is as if knowing nothing
I have from the minute I saw the NenHex during the shovel fight, been sorting Specialists into Internal and External. Internal Specialists should be in the middle of the Chart with equal access to all Nen Types. External Specialists are outside of the Nen Hex and their use of any Nen Type is directly related to how closely that specific use of Nen aligns with the core concept of their Hatsu. The Reason that Specialization is listed between conjuration and manipulation is that specialists are the most condition heavy abilities that exist. And Conjurors and Manipulators are the two Nen Users most familiar with limiting themselves to reach excellence. Like how that one guy with the Bird cage and the magic hands just decided mid fight for his life to bind one eye shut and in doing so reached a deeper understanding and more full use of his own power. Or how Kurapika is only truly himself when he lets his eyes blaze scarlet. Everything else is him pretending to fit in with the rest of society. If Kurapika thought that Emission would best accomplish his goal, his primary would likely be Emission, but he wanted physical chains so he went with Conjuration. That kind of self discovery is what specialists are made out of.
It would prevent “Nen” from being in the center, but placing specialization as a dot in the center and having any affinity capable of tapping into it would be fun; this would make specialialization not a singular affinity, but a special trait held by different people. So Kurapika would still be a Conjuration-Specialization, but Chrollo might be an Special Conjurer as well (Bandit’s Secret is his conjurer item, with the special trait of stealing hatsu), or Biohazard could be a Special-Conjuration hatsu that changes what Conjuration does. This would make all of the affinities more balanced, and it would balance specialization by making it automatically a Midpoint for everyone who has it (this means it is more difficult to master, in exchange for breaking the rules) and securely confirming the affinity percentages of Specialists (solving that ambiguity). Edit: To clarify, this would be a retcon. I’m not presenting this as a theory
I think that a deeper analysis of Chrollo stolen abilities would help, as some of them we’ve already seen how the original user and Chrollo use them (like gallery fake or shalnarks). And they don’t seem to be diminished in power. Also, the case of Pitou is peculiar, because most of their abilities are seemingly based in conjuration and manipulation logics (like… the puppeteers are similar to nen beast). So perhaps it would be useful to see how a non specialist could show those abilities. In my opinion, each one of those are not specialist per se, but the specialization aspects comes in that they are able to use those three (or more) puppeteers, when most people who develop such abilities would only be able to use one at most
my interpretation was always Specialists are basically Togashi telling us "oh you don't know how you could make a magic doctor ability while remaining in a category? new category specialist fuck you that's why! stop asking questions"
The percentages apply to efficiency not output limit Chrollo can have much stronger enhancement techniques than a natural enhancer but he’d use his aura at 40% the efficiency the natural enhancer would use, that’s all it is.
I particularly appreciate this category, I neither like the opinion of those who overestimate it nor those who underestimate it. But now you come back with this video and its title suggests overestimating specialization, but then at the same time I'm curious about your explanation. I will watch the whole video to find out if you are actually right or not.
2:42 nen geniuses aren't limited to specialists. Komugi is an enhancer and used a nen ability that she didn't design herself. Also, while most chimera ants were implied to be given abilities by Pouf, some developed their own without any training such as Cheetu who awakened the ability to conjure a crossbow.
Cheetu didn't awake anything. He just made another thing to use inside his nen ability/game. Normally this wouldn't be possible, atleast not on the fly like that, but Cheetu accidentally made a nen contract because he is stupid. His ranged weapon is slower than him and his melee weapon isn't that usefull since its a game of tag. Also did you confuse Pouf for Knov?
@@matijasostojic4288 yeah I said the wrong name. I guess with Cheetu I just meant that he never trained or practiced his ability as most conjurers do, he just made it on the spot. If he made a nen contract he would have to give up something in return, but it seems to me that he sacrificed nothing for the ability.
I believe that some specialists like Chrollo have an inversed distribution, maybe because he started as Specialist, but then his personality shifted towards an Enhancer one but you cant really lose abilities you already know, specially if that hatsu is a Specialization one, while others like Paku or Prince could have their normal distribution, while Kurapika is just an special case cause of his race, kinda like the Ants, and because his hatsu specifically consumes his life in exchange to fill his distribution level to the max. I have a theory that any user could do a Gon and sacrifice it all for a 5 min specialist power up and ability, cause nen... It just works like that hahaha.
I think the 6 nen category spectrum diagram is more like a canvas that hxh uses to diagnose each how a character is expected to construct and develop their hatsu in the way most efficient for them. each category has its own properties but nen users get to know how a opponent's hatsu works by knowing their nen type, basically a character's hatsu itself matters more than their nen type, with their nen type only diagnosing why that character constructed their hatsu that way to accomodate for personal brain storage limitations, or why their hatsu sucks for wasting brain resources For example, kastro (enhancer) using his two weakest categories to construct his identical doll hatsu explains how bad it was designed and how easily hisoka simply saw a single design flaw and destroyed kastro's entire strategy, the issue is, kastro spent too many brain resources trying to conjure a perfect copy of himself and having it move in a complex , dynamic and human-like way that even fools people like killua, he even had it do the extremely complex act of talking, this all is very very taxing for an enhancer and takes too many resources that could've gone elsewhere. All for a one trick pony doll. Eventually, his hatsu couldn't handle conjuring bloodstains and the like from his original body onto the doll, he ran out of brain storage resources and his doll hit its limits, bro thought he a conjurer fr Netero, on the other hand, made a way less complex, way more mechanic looking and moving doll than kastro that requires him to do just 100 command hand signs (button presses) all the time to have it do exactly just 100 moves, due to manipulation and conjuration taking too many resources from his enhancer brain. That's way way more simple than having the doll look and move and talk like a human without kastro having to do hand signs like netero does but netero tailored his doll more to his nen type, making it very big, very strong and super fast essentially constructing the perfect ability to channel all his skills into
Thing is, Wing said if he had just focused on his enhancing and making his tiger bite fist stronger, he could’ve been one of the strongest Nen users alive That is why Hisoka saw potwntial in him
@aceclover758 yeah, or at the very least, kastro could've made a simple, basic wood puppet that only mimicks his tiger slash and acts like a computer, without the fancy human appearance and behavior (too much wasted energy for an enhancer), making tiger slash his main attack with the doll just being a tool that he enhances, i think netero is the same, his main ability is having 100 enhanced, super fast hand signs (meruem said netero's hand motions are faster than him), the guanyin simply is the "side ability" that is the medium for the 100 hand signs
I always thought that instead of specialitaztion being specific nen type it should have been th ability to use multiple (3 to 5) nen types at the same time. It would serve as a contrast to Pure and Dual type nen users who try to concentate on one or two nen types.
My take is that Specialists can alter their Nen affinities. However, they´d have to start with the usual, unless they did something. The answer to whether they adhere to the Nen diagram rule or not is a yes, as well as no, if you catch my drift.
How big of an anti-climax would it be if in the future the Specialization Category is explained purely by it's capacity to break the nen system? Like ironically Conjurers and Manipulators DO have a stat distribution in the specialist category, and that percentage translates to how many shenanigans any particular person can get away with? I think it'd be a tiny bit funny, if not disappointing answer because I have no feasible idea that Togashi will ever explain or expound upon Specialization as a category to that magnitude
I had always assumed while Pitou didn't make Specialization abilities, she had taken advantage of both of her 80% abilities, Conjuration and Manipulation, since no other category of Nen allows a user to be very proficient in both (Conjurers and Manipulators having only 60% in the other). The concept that Specialists don't actually follow those rules though is an interesting one and would throw that idea out the window if true.
@@slevinchannel7589 In a way yes, but I think there's some benefit to having them both at 80%, rather than the lopsided nature of having one at 100% and one at 60%. A natural Manipulator for instance will waste more Aura Conjuring the thing they want to manipulate, which would put more pressure on keeping it safe so they don't need to conjure it as often. On the other hand a natural Conjurer will find themselves creating and dismissing their creations easier, but will have a harder time actually manipulating it when they need to.
Nen Beasts still need nen to exist but the princes beasts don’t disappear when they enter Zetsu anyway. Also there is a lot of discussion just on your zetsu comment. I understand that you didn’t mean it literally stopped all nen
@@person54454 that’s what we think since they feed of the hosts nen. I don’t think we have seen anyone in zetsu long enough to 100% confirm It for the princes
@@Lucibin no like in chapter 385 theta says that the spirit beast might keep energy in reserve and that she needs to keep him in Zetsu for more than 40 minutes.
@@person54454 dang I haven’t read that chapter in a long time, I had completely forgot about the specifics. It still makes me wonder because His Nen beast still activated even though it was seemingly gone. This could also be an effect that his specific nen beast has.
Ok, sure. But what about ranking all nen categories based on how useful they are OUTSIDE of combat/fighting? How about that? Everyone ranking them based on the fighting - but i've never seen the opposite. I think it can be interesting too - at the very least due to changed perspective.
That’s the thing people get wrong about Nen and hunters Not all hunters have Hatsus that can be used for fighting or combat. Many create Hatsus that tailor or influence their job. It’s just some can be used in combat Leorio’s Hatsu was created for medical purposes and just happens to also be useful in combat Leorio didn’t think about it with combat in mind first and foremost
I interpret it as the user still having proficiencies in the other categories. Conditions and restrictions can close the gap when copying abilities. Bandit Secret had so many restrictions compared to Leol's copying. Clearly, to me, restrictions on your hatsu can still be used to increase your proficiency. Further, you can still apply restriction to a specialist. Kurapika did with with Emperor Time shortening his life and how it needs to be turned on and off. So it's not inconceivable to me that their proficiency in other categories technically does exist but is largely irrelevant depending on the technique. Specialists would also have to have proficiencies to develop techniques outside of their specialization. Just because you are one category, it does not stop you from developing a technique. Neferpitou had multiple techniques, and Chrollo eventually added Bookmark. Bookmark was also a conjuration. So to me this says that they do have proficiencies and preferences at the very least.
Leol can only borrow abilities due to his Hatsu having easier conditions to fullfill The general rule of thumb no matter what your category is, is that the harder conditions or greater restrictions to fullfill, the stronger your Nen or ability
@@aceclover758 I've always understood that restrictions apply to a specific technique. So it's specific to that Nen ability. Like how judgment chain has a restriction but the rest of Kurapika's chains have different abilities that do not have any major restriction.
@@kittentamer2164 Yea, capturing someone and putting them in Zetsu is OP. That is why the conditions either need to be specific and/or hard to fulfill Judgement chain uses categories a conjuror has low affinity for, which is why he must be in emperor time to use it and even ET is very strong, hence the cost is heavy
I think you have a misconception about the nen chart, or maybe i could be misremembering. But I remember hearing that the percentage don’t actually dictate your power with category, it just dictates your learning efficiency. Barring the your main category I believe.
Who's to say specialization even follows the rules of normal nen? Many people in the show say that specialization is something entirely different. my theory is that specialist aura have different properties that regular enhancer-emitter-transmuter-manipulator-conjurer aura. also, prince tserriednichs ability probably has something to do with the second nen beast he conjured, which probably holds an external amount of aura while he enters zetsu, or the condition to summon the nen beast is activating zetsu.
18:53 this doesn't really mean anything as the word Conjure does also have implications outside of just being a technique within Nen. to Conjure is to summon into existence something that didn't before so even if these are "specialist" techniques he would still be conjuring or summoning Never mind you say it right after lmao, don't mind me I am the stupid.
I remain at the Obvious Stance: Kurapiks Emperor Time proves that it's normal Part of the Nen-Ring. Chrollo doesnt use coincidentallyCOnjuration and Manipulation most Btw, EVERY nen-Type can break Rules in a Sense. Remember how Conjurers never care about 'Distance reducing the Power of Nen'?
Lots of small nitpicks... The main one on explanation of Zetsu, but that aside I can see easily some Hatsus being developed based on Zetsu state being a condition, gon himself used Zetsu to enter a sensing "altered state". When he was in heavens arena, and post mortem nen by itself is nen that is technically acting while in a Zetsu state.
Anyone can do what Gon did Zetsu seals your aura in your body without any leakage. This makes you as vulnerable as a normal untrained human but in return, you heal/recover faster and are more sensitive to sensing aura
@@aceclover758 never said what Gon did was a hatsu or a special ability. Just saying I can easily see some Hatsus condition become to be in the state of Zetsu. Zetsu Is after all one of the main principles of nen and the development of hatsu relies on the application of all of them.
Emission and Enhancer were done so dirty by togashit. Also adding insult to injury speciañist also happened to be "geniuses". Specialist should have an awakening form for the nen types tjat requires years of mastery otherwise its plot no jutsu. You should mae a vid of why post mortem nen is total cheat bs.
i dont think its been stated that '' only specialists '' can awaken their hatsu. and overall i think proficienty still applies to them. for tserriednich i dont think his aura dissapears or breaks the rules i have a theory that its transported to his nen beast. and i think his nen beast does time and space emittion. chrollos stolen abilities are mostly manipulation and conjuration. even kurapikas best abilites are the one related to conjuration and manipulation.and its not a coincidence that specialists arent proficient in enhacement r emittion, thematically it fits well. it all comes back to hisokas nen personality test. poeple on the lowser side of the nen diagram are high strung charismatic social or argumentative.which means they are poeple who go through life using their brains and wits more and poeple like that tend to be less physically strong and imposing than the simple minded whimsical impatient counterpart on the top half of the nen diagram..but obviously there are two more important factors which are the base strength and the nen reserves.proficiency on its own is only one side of the equation like a multiplier
MR OVERTHINKER SIR! IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A BAR OVER EVERY NEN USER THAT SHOWS SOME FORM OF THEIR STRENGTH AS AN ABILITY IF THE NEN USER THAT HAS THE ABILITY PUTS THE CONDITION THAT THEY WILL JUST ALWAYS BE IN PURE TORTURE AND AGONY??? CAN IT GET EXTREMELY DETAILS WITH STATS AND ALL THAT IF MULTIPLE PEOPLE ARE IN AGONY???
Killua transmuting poison? How? poison is a chemical property, not a physical one (like elasticity, heat or electricity) .Any substance (whether it be a gas, solid liquid, a food, a drug) could be poisonous, if administered at the right dose, so poison is more on the conjuration side if you ask me
Wouldnt your theory not invalidate Emperor Time ? Why make the Destinction not just inside the Story but as Writer to define Kurapicas ability as such. I get where your coming from and i also asked myself how Chrollo could play with both Zoldycks that much even going to the manga version and 90s anime version. To me it seems while less exciting or enticing that Chrollo is just that good in general aswell as with the 4 base Principles of Nen. We learned plenty of how to defend yourself properly from damage in Greed Island via nen armor forming appropriately and there are clearly things we dont know about things like Zetsu or The Nen "Programming Language" yet either. There are of course other Inconsistencies and Togashi clearly kept developing his Ideas writing over the Years. After all. Chrollo went out of his way to avoid contact with hisoka not just because of Bungee Gum but also because of him outlcassing him physically yet here we didnt. Who knows ... I definitively wouldnt go as far as to say your other Affinities are just cranked up naturally but it might depend on what you "specialise" in lol.
4:30 What a load of BS. 100% is 100%. He normally gets 100% in specialization, 80% for manip/conjuration, 60% on transm/emission and 40% in enhancement. With emperor time, it all becomes 100%. So his healing enhancement ability gets 2.5x stronger from the 40 to 100% jump.
How strong could a character in hxh with average talent in nen become if they trained in the most efficient way possible and are willing to do literally anything to get as strong as they possibly can? I'm asking this question to see how fair nen is as a power system for the average person.
Just look at Averagee Users hwho arent bosted by being Chimera Ants then Looking at it from a Meta-Perspective its a prett weak Power-System and no Nen-User will ever blow up a Planet
Nen is prob the perfect power system as its based on the user and their personality. As long as you trained or made what us essentially the same thing as a binding vow from jjk (called a nen pact in HxH) the average person would be really strong in thier specific categiry
@@pookumz123 cool I like it when power systems are fair in this way. I just find it kind of sad when some characters are doomed to be background characters simply because they don't have access to the power system and don't have any alternative ways to become stronger. Like in the fate franchise where most of the population can't use the power system and don't even know that it exist.
you're over complicating Kurapika's specialist ability. when he has red eyes he can activate emperor time, thus he's able to use all other categories of nen at 100% proficiency, as opposed to the penalties imposed by his natural nen typing. thats basically it.
19:50: 'Summon ' or 'Created', man. The wordchoice is easy, this is a nothingburger. Regardless of all that: Is there any Reason to not Use Transmutation for EVERY SINGLLEE Ability-Thieve ever? Literally none of the options, neither Orcham'S Razor, which you outright dimiss, nor the other 2 that serve as your Thesis here, explain why NO Ability-Theft has EVER used an ounce of Transmutation Massive oversight by Togashi, i tell you
i have a general question regarding the worldbuilding since im rewatching hxh with a few friends currently, why can some of the chimera ants just see nen just because they were born stronger? if that was the case shouldnt there be humans that are just born with the ability to see nen too?
Every generation is different from previous ones. Initially, before queen consumed any humans, the ants couldn't even talk. Once she started consuming stronger people with nen, chimeras also started to notice aura, especially the later generations.
@@Sagee_ but we know that pokkle is the first ever human they encountered that had nen, and they could already see nen at that point, so that explanation doesnt work
@@Nova_Mane I'm pretty sure Pokkle or Kite's group talked about other people investigating NGL and that Kite's group was one of the last ones to arrive and some of the ants talked about special humans like it was something that they had encountered before, but I don't remember exactly
My theory is that since its a nen contract on the entire species. We know they come from the Dark Continent and we see that the royal guards and king are born with nen even thought other ants were also born after they ate a user. So my theory is that with every generation the mind of the species increases. First they are mind less drones, then they are soldiers with some personality and autonomy but can't talk, then they become officers with more autonomy and start talking, then the squadron leaders who rival the royal guards and king in "humanity" but don't naturaly have nen. Then finally the contract is complete and the royal guards and King are given nen to increases their chances of survival in a hostile enviroment such as the Dark Continent.
No lol first of all pitou never used male pronouns nor females, only agender ones like boku and aitsu and sometimes even goes pronoun-free, it's a translator choice to have pitou goes by male pronouns. Other translators made different choicea, eg Italian official translations uses "lei"/she in the manga. Secondly pitou does have breasts and they actually became more pronounced over time. Thirdly pitou is compared to a mother cat. Pitou sex is therefore unconfirmed and most likely female.
Komugi does kill your point of Specialists being the only ones able to awaken their zetsu instead of developing their hatsu no?
I believe that nen users on any category can "awaken" a hatsu relating to something they are deeply connected to.
Hmm, not really. Komugi is a "genius" i.e. someone who's partially awaken to Nen. This means that while she hasn't had formal training and can't consciously manipulate it, she's unconsciously developed what is most likely an Enhancement-based hatsu (since she's a pure Enhancer) to evermore increase her mastery of gungi, under the pledge that she'd kill herself were she ever to lose (this is unbeknownst to her a Nen an actual nen pledge). She most likely can't even enter zetsu, since she can't properly control her aura nodes.
@@theoverthinker348 yes, but what you said is that specialists are the only ones who "awaken" instead of developing a hatsu. Characters like Komugi debunk that. It is not the same as Komugi's Hatsu comes from something that is very dear to her and from her genius
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 Gooood point. When I say "awaken" I mean more like "spontaneously manifest." Komugi most likely developed her hatsu over a period of time as she practiced and focused on and fully devoted herself to gungi.
On the other hand, an analogous genius who happens to be a Specialist, Neon, almost certainly spontaneously manifested her hatsu through pure desire alone. I don't think there's a real way to "practice" fortune telling after all. As I said in the video, I believe that Specialists more "come into" or "realize" their hatsu, while members of the five "regular" categories actually "develop them."
To restate: Komugi "unconsciously developed" her hatsu, while Neon "unconsciously awakened/manifested it", Makes sense?
@@theoverthinker348 I understand your point better. My question was more with how you expressed it.
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 Yo, since mutiple people are making the same point, I'll pin our exchange so that people can see my thoughts on the matter.
Specialists are just Togashi's way to keep unlimited possibilities for his world. Great vid btw!
Of course, how else can you explain the prediction of the future
@@PakaPakaPakaPakaPakaPakaPakaEnhancement? Like that one woman whose power was Clairvoyance
zetsu doesn't stop you producing aura or characters should die after using it for more than several minutes, it simply holds it within the body and stops it from escaping. most abilities manifest a physical effect, ergo needing external aura; but a foresight ability is solely in the mind. that's my counterpoint to your bit about terry's ability.
@@ESPmrBrough Yeah, should've been clearer, when I say "not outputting any aura" that's what I meant.
That's a solid point, but based on everything we've been told and have seen, I don't believe a non-Specialist would be able to activate their hatsu while in total zetsu. Or really do anything else with their Nen. Zetsu's been established as a total supression of Nen, making the user vulnerable to even the slightest Nen-empowered attacks and shutting them out from usng their hatsu. That's why it's considered such a tremendous risk, with some users, such as 2nd prince Camilla, in part, using it as a condition for her stupidly strong ability.
maybe, but maybe not. we already have precedent for things that should be considered hatsu but are just inherent skills, and that's before touching the semantics of what hatsu even is
and i disagree about the zetsu bit bc the info you cite there was stated in the context of physical attacks
either way tho its always fun to speculate and togashi could prove us both wrong soon(tm) lol
Regarding this idea of hatsu in the mind working while in zetsu, imagine Knuckle had this huge drawn-out fight to make someone go bankrupt, finally manages it, but then they reveal their hatsu's condition was that they needed to enter zetsu. That'd be the biggest heartbreak ever.
@@scramble7902 that's an interesting thought. assuming it works in that way, it would be an example of how you can screw yourself by developing a hatsu for combat while not knowing all the ways nen can be used.
or you could just put the L down to a bad matchup lol
It does stop aura production, just reread the Kurapika vs Uvoguine fight " a forced zetsu, which prevents any aura production. Aura is like a fuel for nen, without It, impossible to generate any power, and the only way to break the chains is physical strength"
The way i understand it it's like an RPG class (Nen affinity) vs stats points (Nen proficiency) distribution, the other 5 affinities are set classes but the specialist is like a null class, given one set mechanic but free to distribute their stats around it however they see fit
that's a really good way to see it, mind blown
@@MigWith Togashi's a huge RPG fan so it's not a farfetched conclusion that he built his magic system around it
@@deazee2288 the virgin specialist vs the Chad deprived
@@qwopiretyu I see fan of the loin cloth and the caveman bonk stick
I like this manner of thinking
People who steal abilities could just be able to utilise 100% of the categories used to make up that stolen ability after meeting the conditions to use the ability, Furthermore it’s possible that Chrollo uses the aura of the user to utilise the ability since he needs them to be alive or have post-Mortem nen in order to use the ability.
Is this Togashi?
I feel like this is closer to the answer. It's not just Skill Hunter. Every nen ability that steals another nen-user's ability has the original user cut off from it. Steal Chain and Rental Pod explicitly call that out as well, and well Benjamin has yet to have a dead supporter resurrected. If there is a uniform rule for stealing abilities: Rental Pod is probably the most telling of any of these. Leol's debtors don't lose access to their nen abilities until he calls the favor in and tears his ticket up.
I agree with The Overthinker that Nen levels are meaningless for a steal ability. Simply because we have never heard anyone opine "This skill is too advanced for me to steal." or see a steal ability fail or a thief fail to use it reasoning on that line. However if that pattern holds with the recent reveal of non-specialist steal abilities, it cannot mean that's a "specialist only special ability" to bypass aptitude requirements.
I think steal abilities may better be described as stealing a user's expression of their nen technique, rather than simply adding the technique itself into the thief's nen repertoire. The Thief when using the ability either dumps their raw aura into the ability and the original user's methods of channeling nen inherent to the technique snap it into place. Or steal abilities funnel their nen into the stolen ability through the nen category their steal ability is, which is likely to be their most favorable category.
@@durianthesleepy I absolutely agree!
As much as I love Nen, I can't help but feel there should have been 7 types with specialist being in the middle of all the other 6.
Oh, interesting idea, but what is the sixth one? Something centered around perception (considering how common that theme is in specialist), like “sensor”? Or maybe something abstract themed around coping other hatsus like… “Mirror?” Or would “Mimicer” or “Copier” work better?
i just came up with sum like they could replace the 6th circle with “enchanter” where you can charge something with unique properties of nen, kind of like a mix between manipulation and transmutation
Nen is a system that’s been given meaning by the people who use it, maybe even the hunters don’t know how nen or specialization works completely. I kinda like that idea tbh.
This would also fit the whole thesis at the end of the anime, where the world of Hunter Hunter is interesting because of the mystery, and the vastness of said mystery.
we got information in chapter 402 that hints towards Tserriednich nen beast (not the guardian spirit beast, the other one) having a nen storage function which is how the ability is used while he is in zetsu.
ah yes my favorite prince TERROR SANDWITCH 10:26
TLDR; My thoughts on how Specialists interact with the rest of the Nen chart: Specialists have a core ability which they supplement with the features of other categories. Chrollo and Leol copy abilities and use Conjuration for external storage, to facilitate conditions and limitations and maybe Manipulation to prevent others from using copied abilities. Pitou resurrects and preserves corpses with their Aura intact and uses Conjuration, Emission and Manipulation to repair and control those corpses. Paku can read the essence of memory, and uses Conjuration, Emission and Manipulation to transmit those memories to others or delete them from a target. Overlaps either explained or disputed below.
Chrollo:
Chrollo's Specialist ability is to copy abilities. He uses Conjuration to make a book to let him store abilities and help create a set of limitations for his ability. (Target must touch book to steal ability, book must be open and must be held in hand, only abilities on opened pages can be used.)
Potentially Manipulation is also used to prevent copied abilities from being used by their original owner.
Pure speculation, but without the book, Chrollo would be limited in how many abilities he could store, perhaps only being able to copy one or two abilities at a time or possibly being unable to use his ability at all.
Leol also has the Specialist ability to copy abilities. Similar to Chrollo, Leol has his Conjured Rental Pod, which stores instances of where someone has agreed to an IOU. This is effectively the same as the book external storage for abilities. Leol also imposes limits on his ability with his conjured rental pod and trades the numerous conditions of Bandit's Secret for a simple admission of debt and a timed limit on how long he can use an ability.
Both Leol and Chrollo share the effect of preventing the use of abilities they've copied. This is either a Manipulation ability being used similar to Shikaku's Culdecept, or is an inherent property to their Specialist ability, in which case they steal abilities and not copy.
To further my opinion that the standard efficiency penalties apply to Specialists, when Chrollo fights they tend to do so Conjuration, Specialist and Manipulation abilities, with only one exception where an Emission ability is used to move Nobunaga. Adjacent or matching category abilities are preferred. At time of writing Chrollo has used an Emission ability once and never an Enhancer or Transmuter ability's. Leol fights substantially less, but also follows this trend of mainly using Manipulation or Conjuration abilities (Flutter and the Surf Board ability).
The famous fight with Hisoka shows that Chrollo accepted more conditions on Bandit's Secret in order to better mix these stolen abilities together. Whilst Emission probably was a supporting ability and depending on what Sun and Moon ends up being, not once was an ability predominantly from the top half of the Nen Ring used. Chrollo did want to steal Zeno's Emission ability, but I would wager that even if successful Chrollo would use the ability sparingly, I'm sure he already has similar abilities stolen and would instead prefer to selectively apply Conjurer or Manipulation abilities as he's already shown to do.
What seals this for me is that from a story telling point of view if the standard category efficiencies apply, then Bandit's Secret would effectively become the antithesis of Kurapika's Emperor Time. Where Emperor Time lets you use all categories efficiently, but with level limits still applied, Bandit's Secret removes level limits but still applies efficiency.
Pitou:
Pitou's Specialist ability is to partially resurrect and preserve corpses bringing their Aura back. This comes from her failed attempts to resurrect Kite. Whilst not full resurrection - Pitou's ability brings back the targets Aura and preserves them from rotting. (Knuckle confirms he used his ability on Kite to seal specifically his aura in Chapter 222 and Pitou confirms the rotting prevention in chapter 304.)
She developed Doctor Blythe - a Conjuration ability to repair bodies (dead or alive) and Terpsichora, a Conjuration, Manipulation and Emission ability to control the resurrected corpses like puppets.
This overlaps with Illumi's Corpse Puppets and Misha Hao's Zombie Girl, but with two key differences. The corpses repaired with Doctor Blythe and Manipulated with Terpsichora do not decay and have Aura. Illumi and Misha's ability have only been confirmed to control corpses, not preserve them or bring them back to full fighting power.
Also as a side note - this is an example of a Specialist ability failing to fully manifest, as it appears resurrecting the dead is beyond the abilities of Nen, instead Pitou's ability manifested as close as it could possibly get.
Pakunoda:
Pakunoda's ability is often said to be Manipulation, and overlaps with two other non Specialist abilities, however I'd argue that there is only one type of over lap that can be explained and shows how Specialists interact with other categories.
Pakunoda's Specialist ability is to read a target's memories when she touches them, effectively she can view a target's memories like a video. She also has abilities presumably using Emission and Manipulation to fire a bullet that transmits memories to others or deletes memories she has already read from a target.
Lynch Fullbokko has the Emitter and maybe Manipulation ability to ask a question and if she hits a target, a truthful answer is verbally Emitted from the target, only she and the target and hear the answer. In this instance, she is not reading memories, only forcing truthful verbal information. At the end of the Yorknew City arc Pakunoda meets Squala and uses her ability to read his memories to see Kurapika's face, Lynch would not be able to see Kurapika's face, only hit Squala and get verbal confessions to questions she asks. Lynch's ability acts like a truth serum and forces externalising thoughts - but it is nothing to do with memories.
When Halkenburg's Nen Beast applies its Feather Mark to a target, the target loses the memory of the event and loses conscious, this is said by Kurapika to be common of Manipulator attacks. This is similar to how Paku is said but not shown to delete memories - the key difference is that the Nen Beast does not "read" or take in any of the targets memories and only deletes very recent memories. Paku can use Manipulation techniques to delete memories - which when combined with her Specialist ability can actively target precise memories, not just very recent ones. Memories can be altered by Manipulation, but they cannot be read by them - that is unique to Pakunoda's Specialist ability.
General Combat, Enhancement and Specialists:
Your point about how close combat for Specialists is entirely right - the way the system is explained does make it seem that Enhancement boosts general combat - but I think Enhancement only comes into play when using more advanced applications like Gyo, Ko, Shu and Ryu.
Conjuror's like Knuckle, Kite and Genthru with a mere 60% efficiency in Enhancement were all more than capable close combat fighters, capable of fighting a low level but talented Enhancer like Gon without issue, Kite even was a powerhouse with some outstanding feats. During Greed Island Enhancement only seemed to come into play when Gon and Killua were using Ko to reinforce rocks during their training and only seems to be a factor in fights when Gon uses his Jajanken or when Uvogin focuses his aura on something either his lungs or his Big Bang Impact.
Whilst it seems to be the quickest way of increasing destructive power, it is just an option in a wider set of powers. For general Nen combat, I think the core set of Ten, Zetsu and Ren are unaffected by what category you are in, certainly close combat is not an inherent strength of the lower three categories, but it is not a weakness. Enhancers naturally have some better close combat tools, but these are just options part of a bigger set, hence why this issue is seldom brought up.
A final note, on instant Hatsu creation, I'm wary about the notion that Specialst abilities just suddenly awaken fully manifested, when the examples of instant ability awakening all have some caveats and strings attached:
Komugi was an Enhancer and her ability was to purely Enhance her Gungi ability.
Tssereidnich does instantly create an ability, however, he is not alone in this. Terrorsandwich and Halkenburg had both undergone the seed urn ritual giving them Nen Beasts, does the ritual also forcibly gave all participants an ability, a parallel to the contagion ability on the lower decks. Halkenburg is also a Manipulator and had his ability appear fully formed along side Emission and Transmutation features.
Pitou was a Royal Guard with vast amounts of Aura and born non Human pre-awakened to Nen, they also failed to fully manifest their desired ability to fully raise the dead.
Cheetu was a Conjuror. Also weird exception to the Conjurors must train extensively to create an object rule.
Leol, a Specialist, had his ability awakened by Shiapouf's unseen cocoon ability which creates a hatsu for a target. It also took him several days to master.
Kurapika's Emperor Time was awakened due to his unique Kurta biology - it is unconfirmed, but do all Kurta have the Emperor Time ability? Emperor Time is also just one aspect of Kurapika's ability - the rest is handled by his various Chains which he needed to create and train for himself.
The worst part about specialization is that if you're adjacent to it on the nen wheel instead of having 2 categories at 80% strength, you only get 1.
I just wish tohashi could get healthy enough to finish the manga or supervise someone trusted doing it for him. Hxh has so much potential it’s very disappointing watching it not happen
It doesn't matter that specialists only have 40% efficiency in enhancement because any nen category can still use the basic principles and those principles will always be more important if we are talking simple combat. No manipulator, for example, is going to make an enhancement-based nen ability to compensate for their lack of physical defenses. Rather, they will train their aura output, gyo, or even conduct physical training for a better effect.
The nen distribution as far as im aware only affects hatsu.
Yea but enhancer aura also dictates how much you can enhance your body with ten, Ren Ken, gyo etc
This is why a conjuror like Kurapika said he could not 100% block bullets with gyo on his body but Uvo can take one multiple bullets and a rpg with little to no damage
I always thought that by this logic, could En efficiency be related to how close you are to Emission on the chart? Wouldn't be surprising. I like to think that all of the categories have certain properties the others don't. Doesn't make them weaker or stronger just different. Transmuters may be able to change the shape of their aura faster making them more efficient at using Shu or Ko for example.
@@TJE.13 The non Hatsu techniques are based both on your skill level and your category to a certain extent
Shu and Ko isnt changing the shape of your aura. If anything, those two are best for enhancers and in terms of shu, emitters if the object seperated from your body
BTW, EN isnt emission since emission seperated aura from your body. En just expands the aura around you, not separating it
3:57 There is aura. Zetsu only closes your nodes, but all living creatures have aura inside them even if they don't know how to use it. I think because Terror Sandwich power functions on his head he is using aura that is inside his body.
The nen beast probably provides the aura that feeds the technique as it is stated that the tsereeindich sees the future from the POV of the nen beast implying that the beast probably has something to do with his ability.
The way I believed "Terror Sandwich's" hatsu to work is that it is actually the ability of his nen beast (his actual one and not the succession war one) and that the nen beast has a tremendous amount of power due to the incredibly vulnerable state he has to put himself in for the beast's ability to activate.
This way, the aura required to fuel to hatsu would be from his emitted nen beast's persistence after Zetsu is entered.
Firstly, let me say that I'm a fan and this is meant solely as disagreement, but I heavily disagree.
For the first argument:
1: Komugi is an enhancer that awakened her hatsu without developing it.
2: The 4th prince's ability does not break the rules of nen. Zetsu means you can't open your nodes to release aura, it doesn't mean your body contains no aura. The first part of his hatsu only affects his own brain, whereas the hatsu only effects other things outside his body once he ends zetsu. This is entirely consistent with everything we know about zetsu, nen, and hatsu.
3: Specialization can lead to meta abilities that affect the base system of nen itself due to the open-ended categorization of the type. This isn't new information.
For argument #2:
1: Kurapika is clearly talking about hatsu when saying that learning nen type doesn't hurt a specialist due to the open-ended nature of the category. Knowing that your opponent is a specialist does not help you decern what their ability is. This is not the same as Kurapika saying that knowing they are a specialist means you've learned nothing valuable.
2: The problem with using Chrollo or any one character as a data point is your interpretation. Yes, Chrollo survived a flurry of strikes from Zeno. How can you know that Chrollo has a high % and not just that he is much stronger than Zeno, and both of them implied at the end of the battle? You can't. You also have the battle with Hisoka where Chrollo avoids a physical fight with Hisoka above anything else. An exchange of fists was seen as Chrollo's lose condition.
2.1: You also need to keep in mind that the arm wrestling ranking is without aura. Not only does this ignore aura from a total amount and output sense, but how much aura enhances their strength is also off the table. The arm wrestling rankings are done in a way that favors those futher from enhancement.
2.2: Meleoron is another interesting example. Unlike many others, we know how strong he should be as a squadron leader with the other squadron leaders as comparison. Yet he, one of only two specialist chimera ants that isn't a royal guard, compares himself to the lowest ranking chimera ants in terms of physical ability. The other specialist being Leol, who never engaged in traditional combat and did whatever he could to avoid melee with a conscious foe. That certainly hints towards a traditional distribution imo.
3: Again, yes, specialization is an open-ended category. As for manifestation as being 'pre-wired', besides the above example of Komugi, we have those that learn nen abilities without knowing anything, such as the chimera ants. Only Neferpitou was given the explanation by Pockle. Other chimera ants were able to manifest hatsu without even basic information. Seen with the spider chimera ant didn't know the basics of conjuration when fighting Shizuku or when Cheetu created a hatsu in 5 seconds flat. This happens more to specialists, this I am willing to conceed. The issue is, why? Author bias? That the characteristics of a specialist lends itself to that? We can't know. But given that we have multiple examples of those in other categories manifesting hatsu without being taught, I think it's more than fair to dismiss the idea that it's exclusive to specialists.
4: While I agree that most if not every specialist develops their ability over time as a means of self-discovery, I'd argue this is just a consequence of the categories idea space. I'm sure you've made your fair share of hatsu. So you know that specialization is the hardest to think of.
5: Pitou can keep something that's dead from rotting and even allow it to continue to produce and use its own aura, stated when Knuckle said he had to place Kite's body in zetsu when capturing him. I'd say defying death and continuing the use of nen in something dead is clearly specialization. It clearly still uses conjuration and manipulation when needed.
Specialization is not a magical catch-all.
It's "anything outside the other 5 categories."
There is a reason that specialists tend to most often use conjuration or manipulation. There is a reason Chrollo never uses an enhancement hatsu. There is a reason why conjuration and manipulation have a 60% use of each others category. And that reason is that is because it is a proper category with a proper distribution. Nothing we've been told is a lie.
@@Javetts I tried replying in-between sets at the gym, but the app closed and deleted my drafts TWICE. So, I'll be spamming you with 2-3 separate comments in order to reply to at least some of the (excellent) points you've raised:
1. I answered this in a previous comment that has now been pinned, since more peeple have raised the same (great) point.
2. Total Zetsu has thus far been heavily established as the total suppression of ones aura, which entails the supression of ones hatsu, since supressed aura cannot be manipulated. This is conjecture, but it's from this that the power of using zetsu as a condition (Camilla) or effect (Pika's Chain Jail) comes from.
HOWEVER, even if it were the case that certain "internally focused" hatsu could be activated while in total zetsu, that certainly would not apply to Terror-Sandwich. His hatsu is facilitated by the Nen Beast he came pre-wired with. Apart from therr being no other reason for it to exist otherwise, we also see that the perspective of his vision is obviously from its POV. That's as "external" of a hatsu as you can get without entering a conjured Nen space. Furthermore, Theta is most likely being controlled live out the future as seen in Sandwich's vision, which is yet anothet external influece.
3. I never claimed it was new. I simply never considered it before in this context.
@@theoverthinker348 late to reply, but I am not of the opinion that his nen beast is actually out at the time, simply manifesting in that spot when zetsu is removed. My basis for this is Palm's Blue Wink. She can also look at things from a position in which none of her aura is at. If she can, why can't he?
I'm all for theories, but if we can explain everything with abilities we've already seen, I think we should assume that is the case. imo.
Whenever you upload it makes my day! Thanks for the vids Mr Overthinker. 😁
2:57 Terror-sandwich. Brilliant. That'll be his nickname.
My position is kinda similar to your first thesis of Specialists being somewhat Custom in their categories. I think that the "Standard Nen Proficiency Distribution" is something that results from the human psyche and the standard way in which humans categorize and see the world. Specialists I believe couldd be often somewhat neurodivergent (mostly based on the characters we've seen being specialists with Neon, Chrollo, Binolt, Komugi, maybe Meleoron, maybe Nanika and Tserriednich all being probably neurodivergent and Kurapika needing a particular state of mind to become a Specialist), with many neurodivergent Specialists finding themselves with different Proficency Charts besides what is Standard for most people
Weird and something that doesn't seem like Togashi would touch upon? Kinda, but I suspect that if we get to the Dark Continent we might find that most animals and creatures there use categories that fall under Specialization due to the creatures having different minds from human minds, and that they might have even more strange categories than what Custom Nen Categories would give us. For example, we have Nanika who operated on very strange rules: We know that she is naturally good at destroying things but terrible at healing, and those might be the "categories" under which the creatures of her species operate under. Rather than using an Enhancement/Transmutation/Conjuration/Specialization/Manipulation/Emission, perhaps Ai/Nanika's species most commonly uses a chart where Creation and Destruction are in opposite sides.
And explorations of alien cultures is something Togashi definitely loves doing.
The Ants would have used human categories because they mostly had human minds.
I personally don't think that specialists are any more broken than the other categories on average. It's all circumstantial and dependent on the situation, as well as the individual's talent, knowledge, and training in nen.
For instance, an enhancer like Uvo could easily be considered "broken" against most opponents because he's killing most people just by punching them and his nen defenses are so strong that you can't hurt him without having hax of your own or by breaking through his crazy enhanced defenses yourself, which is unlikely.
Plenty of emitters could easily be considered broken, as seen by characters like Razor, Silva, and Zeno. Silva can just dive bomb you with an attack that's too strong to block before you even know what happened, and Razor and Zeno can keep you at a distance while they completely overwhelm you. Then there are people like Knov who can just teleport you to an inescapable room to starve to death if they want.
Manipulators like Shalnark and Illumi literally just need to touch you and you're effectively dead or worse, and Illumi has the added bonus of being sufficiently capable at throwing his darts from a distance, making him a constant threat. Even if they don't manipulate you directly, they can just mob you with enemies from a distance until they get a chance to kill or control you.
Transmuters can be broken as seen by Killua, who can literally just electrocute you, and unless you have a defense against that or can dodge electricity, you're either dying or at the very least being stunned long enough for him to rip your heart out. This could also apply to Feitan. Oh, you broke my arm? Have fun getting burned alive by a miniature sun. That's not even to mention Hisoka, who is OP just through sheer versatility.
Conjurers, although somewhat underutilized imo, also have massive potential to be broken. We see how dangerous nen beasts can be in the current succession war, being easily capable of wiping out squads of bodyguards before they're even aware of what's happening. You also have Genthru who can turn you into a walking explosive with countdown. Basho, who can speak his poems into existence. Then there's the other practical uses of conjuration, like Flutter having one of the best espionage abilities we've seen, Knuckle being able to beat almost anyone given the right circumstances, etc
I wish specialization was inside the nen ring and there was another category between transmutation and conjuration that let you change normal material's shape and properties (like tsubone rider high), and each specialist affinity is unique and depends on how close their own location is inside the ring, for example a specialist who has 100% affinity in all categories will be in the dead center
pariston facing up against tserreidnich in some way, even if just in a discussion or battle of wits, would be so cool, however unlikely. you never know when pariston is lying or telling the truth, and him coming face to face with tserreidnich’s GSB would be so humbling
@@shaeam.4124 For one of them, definitely.
The only thing that doesn't sit well with me is more the idea that a character could simply be strong on their own before applying nen, particularly, chrollo ranks above shizuku in arm wrestling, who is a conjurer and can compete in arm wrestling against Gon whos a natural enhancer.
Another example would be the chimera ants, particularly neferpitou who was stronger than most characters before aquiring nen.
A sister idea to this is the concept that enhancement doesnt just mean general super strength , instead you need an actual hatsu to make it work, as characters already enhance their physical characteristics with thinks like rev
i like that none of our protagonists (aside from kurapika in ET) are specialization users makes it feel more yknow special when it pops up
Specialist are that special someone that can make an ability that could be weak very busted.
Chrollo for example should be one of the weakest ability users in the series since he requires prep time and other people's abilities which reflect how he uses the spiders. If he did things by himself he wouldn't have gotten far.
Kurapika trading in life force aka how he could have probably grown naturally as a fighter because he didn't want his rage to fade away so by the time he did grow older he probably would have moved on from his hate.
@@ivanbluecool Agreed.
The thing I believe 'balances' them is the fact that they're hatsu are largely 'predetermined' , e.g. the Killua example I mentioned.
@@theoverthinker348 plus they are in general super geniuses too giving them an edge as well as able to bring people to them naturally while being stoic
As to nen classification system, or in other words the nen circle. I also noticed something really interesting about it that is, if we go from the top to bottom, the lower we go the more unpredictable the affinities become. Enhancers are incredibly simple most of the time and if you fight one, you will have a pretty good idea of what they'll do. Emition and transmutation also often aren't used too creatively. Yes there are exceptions but on average, it's transmuting aura into different substances or effects, most often stuff like fire, lightning and other things you could easily think about. Meanwhile emition is emition based hatsu will often be teleportation, bullet attack or a nen beast. Then if you fight a conjurer or manipulator, you might have an idea of what they might do, but there is such a vast pool of possibilities that it doesn't tell you much. Then knowing someone is a specialist is as if knowing nothing
I have from the minute I saw the NenHex during the shovel fight, been sorting Specialists into Internal and External. Internal Specialists should be in the middle of the Chart with equal access to all Nen Types. External Specialists are outside of the Nen Hex and their use of any Nen Type is directly related to how closely that specific use of Nen aligns with the core concept of their Hatsu.
The Reason that Specialization is listed between conjuration and manipulation is that specialists are the most condition heavy abilities that exist. And Conjurors and Manipulators are the two Nen Users most familiar with limiting themselves to reach excellence. Like how that one guy with the Bird cage and the magic hands just decided mid fight for his life to bind one eye shut and in doing so reached a deeper understanding and more full use of his own power. Or how Kurapika is only truly himself when he lets his eyes blaze scarlet. Everything else is him pretending to fit in with the rest of society. If Kurapika thought that Emission would best accomplish his goal, his primary would likely be Emission, but he wanted physical chains so he went with Conjuration. That kind of self discovery is what specialists are made out of.
It would prevent “Nen” from being in the center, but placing specialization as a dot in the center and having any affinity capable of tapping into it would be fun; this would make specialialization not a singular affinity, but a special trait held by different people. So Kurapika would still be a Conjuration-Specialization, but Chrollo might be an Special Conjurer as well (Bandit’s Secret is his conjurer item, with the special trait of stealing hatsu), or Biohazard could be a Special-Conjuration hatsu that changes what Conjuration does. This would make all of the affinities more balanced, and it would balance specialization by making it automatically a Midpoint for everyone who has it (this means it is more difficult to master, in exchange for breaking the rules) and securely confirming the affinity percentages of Specialists (solving that ambiguity).
Edit: To clarify, this would be a retcon. I’m not presenting this as a theory
I think that a deeper analysis of Chrollo stolen abilities would help, as some of them we’ve already seen how the original user and Chrollo use them (like gallery fake or shalnarks). And they don’t seem to be diminished in power.
Also, the case of Pitou is peculiar, because most of their abilities are seemingly based in conjuration and manipulation logics (like… the puppeteers are similar to nen beast). So perhaps it would be useful to see how a non specialist could show those abilities. In my opinion, each one of those are not specialist per se, but the specialization aspects comes in that they are able to use those three (or more) puppeteers, when most people who develop such abilities would only be able to use one at most
I feel like all specialists are on a case by case basis and sometimes most of the rules apply while others they don't at all lol
2:57 FOURTH PRINCE TERA SANDWITCH!!!!!!!!!
Komugi (an enhancer) manifested a hasty with latent nen
my interpretation was always Specialists are basically Togashi telling us "oh you don't know how you could make a magic doctor ability while remaining in a category? new category specialist fuck you that's why! stop asking questions"
The percentages apply to efficiency not output limit
Chrollo can have much stronger enhancement techniques than a natural enhancer but he’d use his aura at 40% the efficiency the natural enhancer would use, that’s all it is.
I particularly appreciate this category, I neither like the opinion of those who overestimate it nor those who underestimate it.
But now you come back with this video and its title suggests overestimating specialization, but then at the same time I'm curious about your explanation. I will watch the whole video to find out if you are actually right or not.
Paku is so cool
I honestly didn't know she was a specialist 😭
2:42 nen geniuses aren't limited to specialists. Komugi is an enhancer and used a nen ability that she didn't design herself. Also, while most chimera ants were implied to be given abilities by Pouf, some developed their own without any training such as Cheetu who awakened the ability to conjure a crossbow.
Cheetu didn't awake anything. He just made another thing to use inside his nen ability/game. Normally this wouldn't be possible, atleast not on the fly like that, but Cheetu accidentally made a nen contract because he is stupid. His ranged weapon is slower than him and his melee weapon isn't that usefull since its a game of tag.
Also did you confuse Pouf for Knov?
@@matijasostojic4288 yeah I said the wrong name. I guess with Cheetu I just meant that he never trained or practiced his ability as most conjurers do, he just made it on the spot. If he made a nen contract he would have to give up something in return, but it seems to me that he sacrificed nothing for the ability.
I thought the phantom troupe arm wrestling rank was done without using nen and just pure physical strength.
I think so too yes. That was precisely why I brought it up. To showcase both the disparity in pure raw strength AND Enhancement proficiency.
A simple solution would be to let Conjuration and Manipulation use each other as if they where next to each other
@@rubenmatinezlopez2662 Agreed. That's precisely the solution I offer in my original vid, but didn't want over-inflate this one by going into it.
I believe that some specialists like Chrollo have an inversed distribution, maybe because he started as Specialist, but then his personality shifted towards an Enhancer one but you cant really lose abilities you already know, specially if that hatsu is a Specialization one, while others like Paku or Prince could have their normal distribution, while Kurapika is just an special case cause of his race, kinda like the Ants, and because his hatsu specifically consumes his life in exchange to fill his distribution level to the max. I have a theory that any user could do a Gon and sacrifice it all for a 5 min specialist power up and ability, cause nen... It just works like that hahaha.
"Terra-sandwich" lol
I think the 6 nen category spectrum diagram is more like a canvas that hxh uses to diagnose each how a character is expected to construct and develop their hatsu in the way most efficient for them.
each category has its own properties but nen users get to know how a opponent's hatsu works by knowing their nen type, basically
a character's hatsu itself matters more than their nen type, with their nen type only diagnosing why that character constructed their hatsu that way to accomodate for personal brain storage limitations, or why their hatsu sucks for wasting brain resources
For example, kastro (enhancer) using his two weakest categories to construct his identical doll hatsu explains how bad it was designed and how easily hisoka simply saw a single design flaw and destroyed kastro's entire strategy, the issue is, kastro spent too many brain resources trying to conjure a perfect copy of himself and having it move in a complex , dynamic and human-like way that even fools people like killua, he even had it do the extremely complex act of talking, this all is very very taxing for an enhancer and takes too many resources that could've gone elsewhere. All for a one trick pony doll.
Eventually, his hatsu couldn't handle conjuring bloodstains and the like from his original body onto the doll, he ran out of brain storage resources and his doll hit its limits, bro thought he a conjurer fr
Netero, on the other hand, made a way less complex, way more mechanic looking and moving doll than kastro that requires him to do just 100 command hand signs (button presses) all the time to have it do exactly just 100 moves, due to manipulation and conjuration taking too many resources from his enhancer brain.
That's way way more simple than having the doll look and move and talk like a human without kastro having to do hand signs like netero does
but netero tailored his doll more to his nen type, making it very big, very strong and super fast
essentially constructing the perfect ability to channel all his skills into
Thing is, Wing said if he had just focused on his enhancing and making his tiger bite fist stronger, he could’ve been one of the strongest Nen users alive
That is why Hisoka saw potwntial in him
@aceclover758 yeah, or at the very least, kastro could've made a simple, basic wood puppet that only mimicks his tiger slash and acts like a computer, without the fancy human appearance and behavior (too much wasted energy for an enhancer), making tiger slash his main attack with the doll just being a tool that he enhances, i think netero is the same, his main ability is having 100 enhanced, super fast hand signs (meruem said netero's hand motions are faster than him), the guanyin simply is the "side ability" that is the medium for the 100 hand signs
I always thought that instead of specialitaztion being specific nen type it should have been th ability to use multiple (3 to 5) nen types at the same time. It would serve as a contrast to Pure and Dual type nen users who try to concentate on one or two nen types.
My take is that Specialists can alter their Nen affinities. However, they´d have to start with the usual, unless they did something.
The answer to whether they adhere to the Nen diagram rule or not is a yes, as well as no, if you catch my drift.
This channel is a gem.
How big of an anti-climax would it be if in the future the Specialization Category is explained purely by it's capacity to break the nen system?
Like ironically Conjurers and Manipulators DO have a stat distribution in the specialist category, and that percentage translates to how many shenanigans any particular person can get away with?
I think it'd be a tiny bit funny, if not disappointing answer because I have no feasible idea that Togashi will ever explain or expound upon Specialization as a category to that magnitude
I had always assumed while Pitou didn't make Specialization abilities, she had taken advantage of both of her 80% abilities, Conjuration and Manipulation, since no other category of Nen allows a user to be very proficient in both (Conjurers and Manipulators having only 60% in the other).
The concept that Specialists don't actually follow those rules though is an interesting one and would throw that idea out the window if true.
Also, simple Math throws it outta the window.
Having 2 times 80% and 1 time 100% plus 1 time 605 is prett much the same
@@slevinchannel7589 In a way yes, but I think there's some benefit to having them both at 80%, rather than the lopsided nature of having one at 100% and one at 60%.
A natural Manipulator for instance will waste more Aura Conjuring the thing they want to manipulate, which would put more pressure on keeping it safe so they don't need to conjure it as often. On the other hand a natural Conjurer will find themselves creating and dismissing their creations easier, but will have a harder time actually manipulating it when they need to.
great video personally i think that specialists have a custom nen proficiency... probably
I thought that the 4th prince has 2 Nen beasts so his power could rely on the second Beast to function. That would avoid the zetsu issue.
Nen Beasts still need nen to exist but the princes beasts don’t disappear when they enter Zetsu anyway.
Also there is a lot of discussion just on your zetsu comment. I understand that you didn’t mean it literally stopped all nen
@@Lucibinactually the guardian spirit beast do eventually disappear when using Zetsu. It just takes a while for its Nen reserves to disappear.
@@person54454 that’s what we think since they feed of the hosts nen. I don’t think we have seen anyone in zetsu long enough to 100% confirm It for the princes
@@Lucibin no like in chapter 385 theta says that the spirit beast might keep energy in reserve and that she needs to keep him in Zetsu for more than 40 minutes.
@@person54454 dang I haven’t read that chapter in a long time, I had completely forgot about the specifics. It still makes me wonder because His Nen beast still activated even though it was seemingly gone. This could also be an effect that his specific nen beast has.
Ok, sure. But what about ranking all nen categories based on how useful they are OUTSIDE of combat/fighting? How about that? Everyone ranking them based on the fighting - but i've never seen the opposite. I think it can be interesting too - at the very least due to changed perspective.
That's almost certainly going to be a video topic at some point. I need to get this done first though.
That’s the thing people get wrong about Nen and hunters
Not all hunters have Hatsus that can be used for fighting or combat. Many create Hatsus that tailor or influence their job. It’s just some can be used in combat
Leorio’s Hatsu was created for medical purposes and just happens to also be useful in combat
Leorio didn’t think about it with combat in mind first and foremost
Specialists ARE special and rule breakers, yes. Hence the name.
He gave up trying to pronounce Tssaradnick, but honestly, that's fair
Hahaha, yyyyyeah... I stutter dude, that shit's not gunna fly. I can do neither "Tserriednich" nor "Abengane"
I just did the quiz on Crunchyroll i am a specialist I kid you not that surprised me honestly I thought it be conjuration
I interpret it as the user still having proficiencies in the other categories. Conditions and restrictions can close the gap when copying abilities. Bandit Secret had so many restrictions compared to Leol's copying. Clearly, to me, restrictions on your hatsu can still be used to increase your proficiency.
Further, you can still apply restriction to a specialist. Kurapika did with with Emperor Time shortening his life and how it needs to be turned on and off. So it's not inconceivable to me that their proficiency in other categories technically does exist but is largely irrelevant depending on the technique. Specialists would also have to have proficiencies to develop techniques outside of their specialization. Just because you are one category, it does not stop you from developing a technique.
Neferpitou had multiple techniques, and Chrollo eventually added Bookmark. Bookmark was also a conjuration. So to me this says that they do have proficiencies and preferences at the very least.
Leol can only borrow abilities due to his Hatsu having easier conditions to fullfill
The general rule of thumb no matter what your category is, is that the harder conditions or greater restrictions to fullfill, the stronger your Nen or ability
@@aceclover758 I've always understood that restrictions apply to a specific technique. So it's specific to that Nen ability. Like how judgment chain has a restriction but the rest of Kurapika's chains have different abilities that do not have any major restriction.
@@kittentamer2164 Yea, capturing someone and putting them in Zetsu is OP. That is why the conditions either need to be specific and/or hard to fulfill
Judgement chain uses categories a conjuror has low affinity for, which is why he must be in emperor time to use it and even ET is very strong, hence the cost is heavy
I think you have a misconception about the nen chart, or maybe i could be misremembering. But I remember hearing that the percentage don’t actually dictate your power with category, it just dictates your learning efficiency. Barring the your main category I believe.
Who's to say specialization even follows the rules of normal nen? Many people in the show say that specialization is something entirely different. my theory is that specialist aura have different properties that regular enhancer-emitter-transmuter-manipulator-conjurer aura. also, prince tserriednichs ability probably has something to do with the second nen beast he conjured, which probably holds an external amount of aura while he enters zetsu, or the condition to summon the nen beast is activating zetsu.
Can someone tell me what that black thing is that falls at 8:29. I always assumed it was the sheath to his knife but I was never certain.
Yep, that's what it is. It's a poisoned knife, so it can't be carried around without a sheath/scabbard.
18:53 this doesn't really mean anything as the word Conjure does also have implications outside of just being a technique within Nen.
to Conjure is to summon into existence something that didn't before so even if these are "specialist" techniques he would still be conjuring or summoning
Never mind you say it right after lmao, don't mind me I am the stupid.
Hahaha, it happens. No worries 😁
I don’t understand this ish ngl this my fav anime and I understand to some degree this is crazy
I remain at the Obvious Stance:
Kurapiks Emperor Time proves that it's normal Part of the Nen-Ring.
Chrollo doesnt use coincidentallyCOnjuration and Manipulation most
Btw, EVERY nen-Type can break Rules in a Sense. Remember how Conjurers never care about 'Distance reducing
the Power of Nen'?
Imagine leol steal netero steal netero ability lmao 😂
Ha! I imagine him dying while he tries to simulate the prayer motion while not being even a 1/10th as fast.
Leol doesn’t steal abilities, he borrows them
This video is really good
Lots of small nitpicks... The main one on explanation of Zetsu, but that aside I can see easily some Hatsus being developed based on Zetsu state being a condition, gon himself used Zetsu to enter a sensing "altered state". When he was in heavens arena, and post mortem nen by itself is nen that is technically acting while in a Zetsu state.
Anyone can do what Gon did
Zetsu seals your aura in your body without any leakage. This makes you as vulnerable as a normal untrained human but in return, you heal/recover faster and are more sensitive to sensing aura
@@aceclover758 never said what Gon did was a hatsu or a special ability. Just saying I can easily see some Hatsus condition become to be in the state of Zetsu. Zetsu Is after all one of the main principles of nen and the development of hatsu relies on the application of all of them.
Emission and Enhancer were done so dirty by togashit. Also adding insult to injury speciañist also happened to be "geniuses". Specialist should have an awakening form for the nen types tjat requires years of mastery otherwise its plot no jutsu. You should mae a vid of why post mortem nen is total cheat bs.
i dont think its been stated that '' only specialists '' can awaken their hatsu. and overall i think proficienty still applies to them. for tserriednich i dont think his aura dissapears or breaks the rules i have a theory that its transported to his nen beast. and i think his nen beast does time and space emittion. chrollos stolen abilities are mostly manipulation and conjuration. even kurapikas best abilites are the one related to conjuration and manipulation.and its not a coincidence that specialists arent proficient in enhacement r emittion, thematically it fits well. it all comes back to hisokas nen personality test. poeple on the lowser side of the nen diagram are high strung charismatic social or argumentative.which means they are poeple who go through life using their brains and wits more and poeple like that tend to be less physically strong and imposing than the simple minded whimsical impatient counterpart on the top half of the nen diagram..but obviously there are two more important factors which are the base strength and the nen reserves.proficiency on its own is only one side of the equation like a multiplier
MR OVERTHINKER SIR! IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A BAR OVER EVERY NEN USER THAT SHOWS SOME FORM OF THEIR STRENGTH AS AN ABILITY IF THE NEN USER THAT HAS THE ABILITY PUTS THE CONDITION THAT THEY WILL JUST ALWAYS BE IN PURE TORTURE AND AGONY??? CAN IT GET EXTREMELY DETAILS WITH STATS AND ALL THAT IF MULTIPLE PEOPLE ARE IN AGONY???
I think specialist have 100% proficiency in all nen groups
ive been meaning to ask for ages :
Does Chrolo actually STEAL your Hatsu or you keep it ?
Specialists have the standard affinity of 80, 60 and 40%. There's no argument against it.
whats the song in the video
Leorio's Theme for most of the video and then the G.I. Theme for the outro.
Killua transmuting poison? How? poison is a chemical property, not a physical one (like elasticity, heat or electricity) .Any substance (whether it be a gas, solid liquid, a food, a drug) could be poisonous, if administered at the right dose, so poison is more on the conjuration side if you ask me
Venom would be the more correct term and that can definitely fall under transmutation
Wouldnt your theory not invalidate Emperor Time ? Why make the Destinction not just inside the Story but as Writer to define Kurapicas ability as such. I get where your coming from and i also asked myself how Chrollo could play with both Zoldycks that much even going to the manga version and 90s anime version. To me it seems while less exciting or enticing that Chrollo is just that good in general aswell as with the 4 base Principles of Nen. We learned plenty of how to defend yourself properly from damage in Greed Island via nen armor forming appropriately and there are clearly things we dont know about things like Zetsu or The Nen "Programming Language" yet either. There are of course other Inconsistencies and Togashi clearly kept developing his Ideas writing over the Years. After all. Chrollo went out of his way to avoid contact with hisoka not just because of Bungee Gum but also because of him outlcassing him physically yet here we didnt. Who knows ... I definitively wouldnt go as far as to say your other Affinities are just cranked up naturally but it might depend on what you "specialise" in lol.
Exactly what i told him but he cares not
Am I the only one that remembers specialist being a 100% in every category?
Or did I understand something wrong?
youre wrong. only kurapika has that hatsu
@@ugothmeex ahhhhhhhh thanks for the clarification.
After so many times rewatching hxh I didnt know this
4:30 What a load of BS. 100% is 100%. He normally gets 100% in specialization, 80% for manip/conjuration, 60% on transm/emission and 40% in enhancement. With emperor time, it all becomes 100%. So his healing enhancement ability gets 2.5x stronger from the 40 to 100% jump.
That's what the most recent anime would say you, not what the manga says. Anime simplified his power.
@@stefanogandino9192 Shut the eff up. Did I stutter? Did I talk about anything not canon? NO. So shut it.
How strong could a character in hxh with average talent in nen become if they trained in the most efficient way possible and are willing to do literally anything to get as strong as they possibly can? I'm asking this question to see how fair nen is as a power system for the average person.
Just look at Averagee Users hwho arent bosted by being Chimera Ants then
Looking at it from a Meta-Perspective its a prett weak Power-System and no Nen-User will ever blow up a Planet
Nen is prob the perfect power system as its based on the user and their personality. As long as you trained or made what us essentially the same thing as a binding vow from jjk (called a nen pact in HxH) the average person would be really strong in thier specific categiry
@@pookumz123 cool I like it when power systems are fair in this way. I just find it kind of sad when some characters are doomed to be background characters simply because they don't have access to the power system and don't have any alternative ways to become stronger. Like in the fate franchise where most of the population can't use the power system and don't even know that it exist.
Hello
you're over complicating Kurapika's specialist ability.
when he has red eyes he can activate emperor time, thus he's able to use all other categories of nen at 100% proficiency, as opposed to the penalties imposed by his natural nen typing. thats basically it.
2:30 this is wrong as komugi is an enhancer and awakened.
19:50: 'Summon ' or 'Created', man. The wordchoice is easy,
this is a nothingburger.
Regardless of all that:
Is there any Reason to not Use Transmutation for EVERY SINGLLEE Ability-Thieve ever?
Literally none of the options, neither Orcham'S Razor, which you outright dimiss, nor the other 2
that serve as your Thesis here, explain why NO Ability-Theft has EVER used an ounce of Transmutation
Massive oversight by Togashi, i tell you
2:31 WRONG komugi did it being an enhancer
@@nicolasbruno9877 Already answered this in my reply to the fellow with the darth Nihilus avatar.
2:30 Complete BS. There are natural awakenings of other types, like Komugi.
Eh...
i have a general question regarding the worldbuilding since im rewatching hxh with a few friends currently, why can some of the chimera ants just see nen just because they were born stronger?
if that was the case shouldnt there be humans that are just born with the ability to see nen too?
Every generation is different from previous ones. Initially, before queen consumed any humans, the ants couldn't even talk. Once she started consuming stronger people with nen, chimeras also started to notice aura, especially the later generations.
@@Sagee_ but we know that pokkle is the first ever human they encountered that had nen, and they could already see nen at that point, so that explanation doesnt work
@@Nova_Mane I'm pretty sure Pokkle or Kite's group talked about other people investigating NGL and that Kite's group was one of the last ones to arrive and some of the ants talked about special humans like it was something that they had encountered before, but I don't remember exactly
@@lillpluten nah they started the special humans thing after pokkle
My theory is that since its a nen contract on the entire species. We know they come from the Dark Continent and we see that the royal guards and king are born with nen even thought other ants were also born after they ate a user.
So my theory is that with every generation the mind of the species increases. First they are mind less drones, then they are soldiers with some personality and autonomy but can't talk, then they become officers with more autonomy and start talking, then the squadron leaders who rival the royal guards and king in "humanity" but don't naturaly have nen. Then finally the contract is complete and the royal guards and King are given nen to increases their chances of survival in a hostile enviroment such as the Dark Continent.
Neferpitou is male.
No lol first of all pitou never used male pronouns nor females, only agender ones like boku and aitsu and sometimes even goes pronoun-free, it's a translator choice to have pitou goes by male pronouns. Other translators made different choicea, eg Italian official translations uses "lei"/she in the manga. Secondly pitou does have breasts and they actually became more pronounced over time. Thirdly pitou is compared to a mother cat. Pitou sex is therefore unconfirmed and most likely female.