Film Theory: Star Wars is DEAD... Here's How to Fix It! (The Acolyte)
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Ugh, loyal Theorists, is the galaxy far, far away losing its luster? The Star Wars fan community has been quite... argumentative... to say the least since The Force Awakens, Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker, and all of the new content Disney and Lucasfilm have created. And, sure, The Acolyte isn't exactly what we expected or wanted. But, Star Wars isn't truly dead is it? There must be some way to SAVE the franchise...
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"Where we still pretend to open automatic doors with the force."
*Ive NEVER felt more called out...*
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@@MadelynnTurner-nx8vtit’s probably supposed to be I’ve, a contraction of I have
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@@AUTTP봇you're good boy
George Lucas taught me a very big lesson, never sell your amazingly good IP that people love to money hungry corporations
He was in financial trouble, he had no choice
If your Ip has value they’ll get it one way or another
Or take the money and actually do something with it.
And have an ex wife to edit it 😒
Amen 🙏
When you know that FNAF has a clearer timeline, your IP has a problem.
FNAF lore is smaller in scale compared to Star Wars.
I think we should wait till the show ends and see if it solves the possible lore issues this series has created for now.
Sounds like coop 🙄
@@INCAnitysy And even then, it hasn't really created any
@@benclark4823cool*
gonna be honest...getting rid of the expanded universe was probably the best thing disney did for star wars. the legends continuity was...a mess and rebels was good...my compliments for disney star wars have run out
Gonna have to correct you. Disney didn’t cultivate a fan base. They bought a fan base. Then decided they didn’t like that fan base. So they actively drove them away. The creative team had a friggin pic of Luke with a red X over his face in the office. Your solutions will not solve the fundamental issues with Disney. Ideology over ideas.
Well, it's just a theory... like Leonardo's helicopter. And like that, this theory might need a few centuries to bear fruit. 😆
it scary because its true. They wannas virtual signal more then make good movies/shows. Disney is killing itself from the inside.
@@jenjenhocho3188 it so blatantly obvious and that you can not see it either because you are blind or an idiot
More organization means better movies and shows, why wouldn't that solve the issues? Yeah some of the old fandom will be gone if they take the IP too far from the original but some will remain and new people will join.
At least I think, not very involved with the fan base and just speaking on broad terms
Exactly this
"im the spy" said hux after he eradicated an entire solar system
Still one of the dumbest plot points I’ve seen from Star Wars. This man destroyed an entire freaking solar system and ended millions, maybe even billions of lives without breaking a sweat and then that’s all tied up with a rushed 4 minute plot point trying to make some big change
@@MysteryMusic512I mean I’m not defending the sequel trilogy but darth Vader committed mass genecide on the Jedi including the children and got to be redeemed.
@@MysteryMusic512 kinda a dumb moment but it was because he couldn’t work with Kylo any longer
They should've handled Hux like they handled Admiral Rampart.
@@MysteryMusic512 In fairness, they make it pretty clear they don't want to redeem him
It's just that the whole thing IS STILL so badly done that the only thing it was good for was telling british football fans you want italians to win just so the brits won't
I am convinced Disney is incapable of separating good and bad faith criticism. They so consistently blame bad faith criticism for their shortcomings i am convinced they are *relying* on it.
I agree with this. There is genuinely a lot of bad faith criticism out there, but you can't lump it all together. I do also feel like the dialogue in these has just taken a downturn (comparing to other TV shows with this kind of budget). I assume this is due to the "content factory" nature the streamer is creating, causing placeholder lines/story beats to go into production.
Nah. They (think) grew so big that they no longer HAVE to care. Disney just consolidated so much of the industry if any outlets badmouth them they can just push their own propaganda in their own channels.
That’s literally what rage baiting is, doing something on purpose to attract negativity
Disney Star wars is the only company that punishes you for watching its shows…
@@gardion160 nah I’m along for the ride the whole way
Love me some garbage and sometimes good stuff
7:40 it’s almost like Disney is intentionally trying to take our attention off of the sequels because of how bad they are.
not really. if anything they're drawing more attention to it by adding more context to palpatine's return through The Mandolorian and The Bad Batch
What sequels? there are no sequels xD
Every day, a Star Wars fan says something on the internet along the lines of "Man, Star Wars would be so good if it was good."
Na this is inaccurate. Think it’s more like Star Wars would be great if a soul sucking mega corporation didn’t have the rights to the IP
And every day the soul-sucking mega corporation that binds our beloved in chains pulls her ever further from us and says "She belongs to ME now."
The argument was actually that the franchise needs a solid plan so it can do better to tell an overall narrative. It was not just "get good," and if that's all you got from this you clearly didn't listen, which is a problem I notice more and more people seem to have. You hear something you don't like and you stop listening altogether just because they aren't agreeing with you 100%. If you instead took time and made yourself listen beyond your own bias you might actually discover some decent points being made by someone else, even if they come from an opposing viewpoint.
@@KuroOokami167 but thats NOT the core issue. the core issue is that people who actually hate starwars produce for it. Jon favroe is the only one that actually created something without destroying what was before. Even dave feloni did got sucked in into the circle of Kathleen jenna
You want to fix it? FIRE kennedy and her lackeys!
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I think kennedy was fired long ago
The problem with star wars is its being handled by people who have admitted that they don't know star wars and don't like it either
Disney isn't letting it die they keep kicking the corpse 💀
Disney Star wars is the only company that punishes you for watching its shows…
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Aand the leader ship has admiutet that they hate HATE the OG fans
I'm not sure if pointing out that fans ask questions like "How is this guy here when he hasn't been born yet?" is "lore obsessed". I feel like that's just people paying attention to the storyline and the writers aren't.
If you are refering to Ki Ali Mundi, the information on his birthday was in legends which is non cannon
Wanna fix Star Wars? Hire good writers
Preferably ones that understand the lore and themes of the franchise, instead of people looking for a fancy vessel for their politics
@@gabrielhoelzle8476 No, just good writers.
@@gabrielhoelzle8476 tony gilroy wasent a star wars fan and he gave us rouge one
@@vukmijatovic maybe, but he valued the main theme of fighting for freedom/inherited will and depicted the og characters with the respect they deserve
Yes hire good writers! A few of them who are focused! Not a BUNCH of writers who cobble together a series
This might seem a bit unorthodox but from what i see, what made pre-disney star was as successful as it was, is that it actually WENT TF AWAY for a bit between trilogies, giving fans some time to breathe and writers a longer period to fine-tune their concepts,
disney is making too much too fast and it is bloody SHOWING
I’ve been saying the same thing for a LOOOOONG time with not just Star Wars, but a lot of other shows and franchises like Marvel, DC, Star Trek, and MythBusters (VERY personal example). We see it time and again: a LACK of content makes fans WANT it more. Give some time to make us want it, or take the time to PLAN something special, and then let it go.
Cows need resting time before they can be milked again, and so do franchises.
I disagree. A lot of people talk about the idea that people get sick of different series if a lot gets released and while I understand that conceptually, I don’t think any of the series people normally talk about in that vein (Marvel for example) actually had that issue, the issue was not that they were releasing stuff quickly, but that they were trying to release stuff quickly, if that makes sense.
Like, if 12 very good final products all come out in the same year you’re not gonna see anywhere near the same amount of complaints as if 4 meh products are released in a year from a studio you know can do way better if they hadn’t rushed it.
It’s not that there’s too much it’s that they don’t have a vision or a story they are trying to tell. They just keep making shows at random points in the star wars lore. Giving any popular their own show just because people like them but there’s no purpose for it.
Kinda like marvel now. No one knows what they are building up in to. There is no build up or payout in any of their movies.
I don't really agree. I mean yes it does help to have breaks to some degree, but really Star Wars was still going non-stop from about 1980 to 2014 in relatively smaller projects. There were over 800 Star Wars books released if you count the collections & dictionaries & such. That was a huge part of keeping it alive. The Star Wars The Roleplaying Game was MASSIVELY important to the development & continuation of Star Wars, it can be seen almost as the founding blocks of the EU & while significant portions of it would be retconned more still would be adopted to the screen & used thoroughly as the primary reference material for the early writings.
The problem is that these are talentless hacks for whom the height of passion is essentially "oh yaasss Anakin was like so hawt & Padme was slay. Lightsabers are flashy." Most of them would be the same types who would mock nerds when it wasn't popular. They're tourists, at best. These are also people who have no idea how to even begin to budget these shows, much less write them. Some of them outright seem to hate the series & the people who enjoy it.
It has nothing to do with too much too fast, Star Wars in 2000 was producing content at a ridiculous rate that in many ways outstrips Disney's productions, even if it was less in TV & more in games & books & comics. It has to do with the utter lack of any quality or care for the franchise or the fans, it is merely a skin suit to parade whatever they want & target to a completely different audience.
That and they hate the fanbase they bought. I was out from Star wars when they ruined Luke in the sequel trilogy
fun fact: "Continuity Checker" is an actual job title in the writing room.
I think they forgot to hire that one
Not in the Disney writing room 😭
I’ve noticed that Disney in general has been struggling with movies recently. Just looking at movies like Wish, Ant Man: Quantumania, and the live-action Little Mermaid, Disney has been struggling to reach that level of success with fans that they did for decades. I think that the problem is that Disney is only doing what they believe will make them more money rather than what is actually best to create. For example with Star Wars, there are TONS of Star Wars fans out there-myself included-so Disney probably saw that and decided that a good way to make more money would be to just make more Star Wars without having-like Lee says-a clear plan. I hope Disney can start listening to the fans again and stop just making sequels and remakes and go back to making movies that are (mostly) original stories like they were able to do with the Disney Princesses. There are *PLENTY* of Fairytales that exist that Disney could probably make a pretty good movie about but they first need to realize that sequels, prequels, and remakes are not doing the best right now.
But that’s just my opinion!
It's not about money. They don't care about it. It's about sending a message
With marvel, it had a LOT to do with the release schedule that chapek set up and the massive amount of executive meddling. Like making watiti cut out over a half hour of the film that was some of the most important character building in the film from love and thunder, and upping the release schedule from 2 films and 2 series a year to 4 films and at least 4 series a year.
It's a publicly traded company, they are by law required to do whatever neccessary to increase shareholder's profits every quarter.
There’s a solution that no one wants to really admit, not fans, not Lucasfilm, not Disney. Star Wars needs to go away. There needs to be nothing from the property, or next to nothing. Maybe just some video game remasters and Clone Wars: Special Editions. But ideally nothing. For years. Internally Lucasfilm would be building a new team up, putting in the work to create a strong plan, before they come back with a big event movie…. Star Wars: The Foundation of Everything that Comes Next (working title]. Ideally it would move say 100+ years into the future, beyond what happened in the sequel trilogy. Everyone is gone, it’s a true fresh start. And we’re all excited again.
It yeah, they won’t do that because money.
I agree that Star Wars going away for a while would be a VERY good thing, but I think a sequel entirely separate from what came before might be too far removed from everything the fans actually enjoy for it to be a hit. Both Episode I and Episode VII, movies that EVERYONE was excited for when they came out, were separate enough from the rest of the franchise to stand out, but were also still connected by returning characters from the originals. I’m just saying, while I think that would be a breath of fresh air, it also isn’t a perfect solution. But yes, Star Wars hiatus, PLEASE, give everyone a break! :)
They need to pull a Halloween 2018, and just ignore the squeals they made in favor of new ones
At this point, I cannot be convinced that Disney is not actively trying to tank their IPs.
They’re chasing that ever mystical “modern audience” 😂
Warner Brothers too, idk what they keep doing with their ip
@@deaneagletondon’t get me started on WB have you seen the batman beyond film they said no to
@@packagec I mean they also can movies for tax write offs even after the full film was done, surprised they didn't do that with the flash
@@Reofenja jklmnop
Their biggest problem is writing. Each show seems to be a matter of having a few 'cool' or 'iconic' moments with no care put into getting between them. Provide a good story and people will come.
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What about andor
@@ricknroll08 Andor is the exception. It's very well written and people love it for it. It fills a niche though in the community and the younger or more casual audience still doesn't really have anything.
You shouldn't have one or two iconic moments when literally the whole story can be iconic.
The biggest problem is that they will never care because their main focus will always be on pushing their destructive ideology on a built-in audience. Star Wars is only a vehicle for their preaching, and if they weren't working on Star Wars, they'd be working on Star Trek, Doctor Who, Marvel, whatever.
I don't think focusing on a specific timeline will help much at all
Sure it can, just give Star Wars back to George Lucas, and let him wipe everything Disney related from the canon, scorch earth style.
They just need to cut the squeals, and give them another try
The only way to fix Star Wars is to get it away from Disney...
16:13 the irony of describing exactly why Disney has been failing seeing as they are the ones so concerned with appearances and check boxes that they forgot they have to actually have to make storylines and characters worth watching
I find it really funny. It's like people are getting mad at the doctors who are pointing out the underlying cause of the symptoms and recommending a specific treatment based on it. While only preferring the ones who will point out the symptoms and try to treat that while outright ignoring the cause. So no matter what happens the sickness gets worse and worse.
Something tells me Film theory will label this as bad faith criticize.
This video is acting like Star Wars being bad is an accident, they are doing it on purpose.
Film Theory are only making themselves look bad by pushing the lie that the Disney Stat Wars criticizes are bad faith ad hominem.
Film theory dropped the ball here obviously ignoring the real fact of woke culture affecting the writing and quality of the work. It’s not a conspiracy theory and has been proven fact and the fact they are omitting that and calling it bad faith feels like they are trying to not get cancelled.
You guys are awesome, I'm so glad to see this thread. I whole heartedly agree. If disney would focus on the source material and build on it they would have gold, instead they are focused on undermining the source material purposely because it doesn't fit their DEI/woke agenda. They are trying to force a narrative that no one wants or believes and until that stops they are incapable of telling a compelling story.
In fear of insult or offend anyone, you speaking may offend me. But it's only one direction.
Here’s an easy fix, follow the lore and STOP PANDERING
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भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु….. .
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Get the woke writers out of the writers room. Bring back George Lucas.
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All of 5 people care about what the people on screen look like. That's just Disney trying to shift focus away from their mistakes.
Yes, most hate them for what they've said rather than what their looks.
And those 5 people are all in managerial positions at Lucasfilm.
how do you explain away the racism and homophobia then?
And those 5 people scream louder than everyone else.
You should have gone with the instinct not to include mention of Ki-Adi-Mundi. There's more than a little irony in calling his inclusion in The Acolyte an unforced error right before making your own unforced error.
As one of those lore obsessed star wars fans I want to speak on the Ki Adi Mundi Problem, but just briefly:
The main issue is not really that he is alive during the time of the Acolyte. Yes, it contradicts with the previous canon established in the old EU, but in the new canon his age or year of birth were never specified. Therefore it can be possible for him to be there, even though it does leave a slightly bitter taste in my mouth.
The real issue with Mundi's presence in the series is that his role in the cover up of the show's events calls into question his behavior in the Phantom Menace. In Episode 1 he is the one talking about how "the Sith have been extinct for a millennia". It sets the entire plot of the prequals into perspective and is a vital part of the narrative in Episode 1. The Sith, or similar dark side users, not being around for that long is part of the reason the Jedi don't believe Qui-Gon when he reports to the council about his duel with Maul. Due to this Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan have to face Maul alone without any backup at the end of the movie, leading to Qui-Gon's tragic death.
But now in the Acolyte, not only has a Sith/Darkside User revealed himself, no, multiple Jedi have died quite evidently at the hands of another force user. That alone should be cause for an outrage or outcry because during this time the Jedi were at their strongest, with basically no enemy or rival. One dead Jedi, let alone a whole platoon of them, should cause an investigation and be something the entire order is aware of. But somehow this gets completely swept under the rug and Ki Adi Mundi does not speak up about this during Episode 1?
I am fine with some small inconsistencies. I am fine with some obscure lore not being kept in mind, or outdated lore being updated (like Mundi's age). But decisions which put the entire established canon into question like Osha and Mae being deliberate, immaculate conceptions has, to me at least, less to do with disorganization and more to do with people who either don't know star wars lore or with producers who simply do not care.
Still great video and points from your end!
sry you have to endure hate comments like this I think you make a really good point "Disney what are you doing?" Disney: "I have no idea" Fans "aaaaaaaaaaaaarggggggghhhhhhh"
I agree. I didn't realize his age was an issue, only saw people talking about his sith line in TPM. Because it genuinely makes very little sense for him to react that way given what's happening in the Acolyte.
Maybe it goes to show the CORRUPTION of the Jedi Order?
Like any large Organization, with power comes corruption.
Them wanting to keep quiet any suspicions of weakness or another power that could rival them.
THIS IS LITERALLY THE MOTIVATION BEHIND THE ONE JEDI LADY WHEN SHE'S ON SCREEN!!!
How do none of the "fans" see this? This is deeper story telling than you are paying attention to.
Or they could say his race could live that long and expand the range of time the high republic has been around. But that would make mundi older than yoda!!!
Ki adi mundi doesn’t know about the dead Jedi (yet)
"Shut up and consume our products"
-Disney
Disney should not existed in the first place after what they did to 20th Century Fox.
"Shut up fan, you're so toxic!"
-Disney
"Baby Yoda" *Shakes head in disappointment*
I honestly wish geroge just didnt sell and then eventually star wars just died like all good art instead of being beaten like a dead horse
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The problem is much deeper than that. Disorganization is just the tip of the iceberg. In order to fix Star Wars, they need to put people in charge that actually care about Star Wars, not just their own agenda. Of course they need to know the lore too.
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finally someone who is saying something about the massive agenda and ego in these shows. everybody i have read so far here in the comments is not saying anything about the whole two female witches making kinds with only dna and the force like it makes ZERO SENSE but it fits lesley's idea so it was put in💀
Yeah this video gives a faulty diagnosis and thus a faulty prescription for fixing it. When the content is actually engaging and intelligent, no one cares about jumping back and forth on the timeline.
16:14 - One of the major issue around this discussion is how many people are lumped into the group of people who are acting on bad faith when they dive into all the technical issues with it. Too often the PR team is screaming review bombing from trolls and bigots when most the reviews are from people who are being vocal about the many legitimate issues surrounding this new franchise. When people blindly accept that position instead of looking at the content of the critique it kills discussion and we just get more of the confused mess we've gotten as of late.
They are pushing a message. If we do anything but love it, we are the bad guys
If you think a review is in bad faith, you should be able to explain why it is wrong. If you can’t as the director/writer/producer of the movie, then it’s probably legitimate criticism.
@@tylerduncanson2661that train gone long time ago. They had years upon years to not do what they did.
Unfortunately a lot of people get thousand or hundred thousand views on videos made in bad faith because algorithm love hate that creates engagement.
@@nieznajomy4398 but the converse is also true... there are people who get tons of engagement on UA-cam, Facebook, etc. by hating on the "haters" and defending Disney SW to the hilt.
Another point that could be made is Disney doesn’t (and frankly can’t) care as much as George Lucas did. It was all his creation. It’s much harder (but still possible) to care about a project that you didn’t create
Have you seen any of the stuff from the creators of Mando? All they talk about is how much they care
Lucas literally sold it because he didn't want to do it anymore. After the negativity he got from the prequel trilogy he didn't want to be the only person involved, that's why he trained up filoni and wrote with him. he shopped lucasfilm around to multiple studios and sold it to disney because they were going to allow him to put whoever he wanted in power and thought they had the best storytelling abilities. But the modern economy and streaming wars are absolutely destroying creative companies.
@@xtralargegamer7167 talk is cheap
@@xtralargegamer7167well yeah that show is one of the few things they have done right
The thumbnail was so different from the norm, I really couldnt tell it was film theory
The problem is bad writing and trying to cover it up with flashy visuals. All style, no substance.
I dislike how lightsabers are handled these days. There's a lot of non lethal slashes that should have realistically killed in older movies
And worse, yeah, they're breaking some fundamental things of lore without actually explaining any of it.
Typically, in a story like Star Wars, when you break the rules, you have to explain it. It could be as simple as a McGuffin, but nothing was done in this case.
Plus the style is also bad
Agreed. I don't see how better organization would fix the terrible writing.
The visuals aren't even that flashy when they're in the Volume
I honestly feel like the people who are making the new star wars content are people who dont exactly hate star wars, but would jump at the chance to make their own thing, but thats more likely to fail than a recognisable brand, so they stick with star wars and make it their own things......
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You know, that's actually pretty accurate! Companies aren't letting writers do their own things, so sadly they just have to work on sequels to series they aren't super passionate about. It's not the only problem, but it's a big one. They're not collecting a smaller group of super passionate sci-fi creatives, they're getting a giant group of creatives who just couldn't do any other project
Yeah good point, question is why all the writers are so bad. Probably bevause companies want mostly uni kids and they are crazy.
Star wars fan fic but its offical
Basically yeah...they DISLIKE Star Wars and cant fathom a story were people who act JUST LIKE THEM...like the Sith for example...are the bad guys...so they decide they wanna "Rework" Star Wars to tell their own stories about how its great being awful people while simultaneously complaining and feeling persecuted for not being allowed to be a disease to society by everyone around them.
The fact that you’re so transparent shows the level of care you have for your fans! I only hope Star Wars and Disney can reach that point as well!
Don't worry lee this channel stills slaps
Impossible. Star Wars has been extinct for a millennium!
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Dead from 1024 AD? I believe you.
I'd wish it would
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@@who-ny5oeIt died in Stanford bridge don't you know
I was watching a Star Wars short when this popped up as a notification
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WOW, THAT IS RELATABLE 😮😮😮
Sure you were
@@Rusty84CV yea I was
@@Rusty84CV I was watching a short from bombastic clips
Ki Adi not being alive during the High Republic isn't even the dumbest thing about his inclusion. It's the fact that in the prequels he doubts the return of the Sith even though he's present in the scene during the Acolyte where they're discussing the emergence of a Sith character
Man you guys are doing amazing on these videos. I'll pop in every once in a while to check out new videos and man are you all doing absolutely awesome. Love the videos and all the time you guys put into them. Definitely doing right by what I would say is Mat-Pats "baby"
I'm surprised how much you avoided the Star Wars Explained channel which is the most level headed Star Wars channel on UA-cam
66 likes is crazy
Generation Tech as well
@@AriSarrafha agreed!
Eckhartt's Ladder is the only channel that is both against the show and not attacking it from some political angle. His harsh but fair assessments based on elements like acting, lighting, writing, and the like convinced me not to watch the show.
@Blue-qr4fi What the f-
"I want to get excited about Star Wars again" Shows Tales of the Empire.
Mate, you know that series premiered three months ago right?
Yes but when it’s 1/10 shows that come out and are good the expectations and excitement don’t last long
@@arcage_0132 1/10 huh? So of the last ten star wars shows, none but Tales of the Empire was good?
So Andor, Tales of the Jedi, Bad Batch, Visions, and the Mandalorian are suddenly bad shows now?
Like I get that both Book of Boba Fett and Obi Wan Kenobi are divisive, and Ahsoka just isn't really talked about.
But most of the last 10 disney star wars shows are pretty well regarded.
@@Ariaelyne I didn’t count exactly to get 1/10 , it was just a fraction explaining how it feels trying to watch Star Wars now. Andor, Mandalorian season 1&2, bad batch, tales of the Jedi were the only good ones in my opinion. Season 7 of clone wars was great but I don’t attribute that to Disney because it was the finishing of an already started series. And visions was good, but that wasn’t Disney either. It was small studios compiled by Disney into episodes. Disney didn’t plan the actual stories in there
@@Ariaelyne but if I were to take into account all the shows I can think of now, it’d be 8/17. Which is still less than half, how much money they have put into shows it show be a lot better
@@arcage_0132 3/17 of the disney era of shows are Lego collaborations and one is literally a childrens show. I wouldn't exactly feel right using those as examples in this case.
I'd argue that most of the issue is human nature, we have a negativity bias in pretty much all cases; bad memories and experiences hold in our minds longer. So while the good shows may come out every year we will remember the bad shows far more strongly.
Like we've only had disney+ for 5 years and only one of those years (2023) did not have something widely well received premiere. It's also the only year with a single premiere but that's neither here nor there.
Been a fan of the channel all throughout my life. But my god, take some of your own feedback into account. The amount of times your video loops and repeats the same message all throughout on each video is beyond even the most loyal of fans.
I hope Disney goes bankrupt and closes down like every Toys R Us.
I miss 2015-2017 era, man, 10-12 year old me is crying on the inside about what this franchise became.
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Watch Andor
Same
@@Comicbroe405I love Andor but one or two shows doesn't reverse all of the damage done to this franchise.
...you miss the era where the three worst movies came out? Okay, to each their own I guess
0:15
"I'm the Spy"
I was half expecting "Oh hon hon... well.. off to visit your mother!"
I feel like this video gives some good advice but is a bit generous when it comes to where the backlash to The Acolyte is mostly coming from.
Yeah, better organization isn't going to fix the terrible writing.
He sounds kinda corporationy to me. Anyone else?
@@noneofyourbeeswax7379he’s giving a corporate advice so yes
@@arcage_0132 that makes sense. It's like how upisnotjump made a school safe version of his climate change video with no swearing. Cant sound too hostile or they won't listen.
@@noneofyourbeeswax7379 very true, when you give a more rational, calm approach, people are more likely to listen
You forgot to mention they should produce quality stuff . Otherwise why should we care in the first place
Agreed.
That's the whole point of the video. You can't make quality stuff if you don't have a clear direction and it gets harder when you're oversatturating the market.
@@Altmetalpunk you can make quality shows without a grand and clear direction.
@@dozyproductionssYou can but it’s certainly more likely that you’ll fail
@@D3viant517 There things called episodic shows. Really good shows didn't have much more of a plan that current star wars. TNG was one of those.
As someone who grew up loving the franchise, and treats it as a legacy for a lost loved one I can strongly agree that the franchise needs to take a deep breath and go back to the original basics
My first video listening since the retirement. Good job guys. I honestly just thought it was a new guy doing the voiceover
13:10 that’s… not really the issue people were having with that. No one was really upset with changing a characters birthday. That’s not really a big deal.
What is a big deal is changing THIS CHARACTER specifically. Ki Adi Mundi is the character who said “the Sith have been extinct for a millennium.” In the phantom menace. And yet despite this, he’s around in the Acolyte, where all sorts of Sith shenanigans are happening. So why would he say that in the phantom menace if he was around in the Acolyte?
I mean....he did say that line while Palpatine was currently in the senate and in response to hearing a Jedi Master say he had just fought a Sith. Not the most reliable, the entire point of that line was how wrong and muleheaded he was being. What makes you think he is more perceptive in this show? Show sucks for many reasons, but Ki Adi Mundi isn't it. It's just ANOTHER stone towards breaking peoples backs, but truthfully there is nothing wrong with his appearance other than the birthday.
@@camstegames8437 the point in him saying that was not just to show how wrong or muleheaded he, and/or the Jedi are. The point was to show that the Jedi have not faced a threat to the level of the Sith in over a 1000 years.
That can’t happen if he’s in the Acolyte.
@@TheCynicalCommentator It can happen for the same exact reason members of the council talked to Palpatine quite often and never thought...oh here is the Sith Master. They believe what they choose, him especially. He told Qui-Gon to his face that he was mistaken about the Sith. A Jedi Master was somehow mistaken about a force sensitive dark side user he fought...that was using light sabers. If that strikes you as someone who is open changing his beliefs when new information is presented...I don't know what to tell you. He didn't believe it was Sith with a full Jedi Master telling him it was, why would he think it was during Acolyte time? "It can't be the sith, they have been extinct for..."well I guess it would be what 900 years during the Acolyte.
Isn't the show hinting that the Jedi are going to cover up the Acolyte business once they are dealt with? Mundi was a part of that group and would not want the Jedi High Council to know about it.
So your wrong they deeply care about the none cannon birthday but maybe THEY DID THAT ON PURPOSE! Maybe they will explain why he said what he said! Maybe he isn't a sith? Last time I checked they said he was a fallen jedi!
7:40 I really don't see why you're confused here. The Star Wars Universe is a MASSIVE saga spanning thousands of years into the past with the Old Republic, and back when Legends was a thing, even expanded centuries into the future with the Legacy era, with creative teams writing novels and comic books, and making games in ALL those periods concurrently. And now suddenly it's a problem when Disney does it? We had no trouble keeping up with Star Wars Lore across multiple eras BEFORE, why is this a problem NOW?
He’s talking about the movies and shows
He is only talking about the movies and TV shows to make his point, that's part of the issue here.
He also uses the printed media to make his point. It's like he is cherry pucking what works in his favor for this video. And I think that's one reason why this argument annoys me.
That seems like a bad faith take away considering Legacy had 2 comic books. KOTOR had 2 games and a comic book. SWTOR had a comic, some books and a game. The deep past Star Wars stuff was almost all comic books.
The vast majority of the content Lucasfilm put out & approved was set in the Clone Wars and the Post-ROTJ era. The Post-ROTJ stuff was very much driven in the same direction.
Irrelevant.
Even if LunarX got acquired by Disney, they *still* wouldn’t listen to you. They’re *far beyond* reproach at this point.
Our only hope at this point is that Disney gets financially desperate enough to sell off these cherished properties to someone who will do them justice.
I feel like no one at Disney has ever watched a Star Wars movie and they are just going by what they THINK it is
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First Time? Star Wars was never linear. Look at how the EU told it's stories through games, books, and comics. All across the timeline. But it's clear that right now, they want to establish how Palpatine's returned. His weavings explained throughout the 3 trilogies.
if only abrams had done a better job explaining it.
Feels more like Disney is intentionally sinking the ship than anything else...
The problem with the lore isn't just small inconsistencies where Disney can't keep up with what the fans want. The problem is that these "small inconsistencies" add up to a huge one, resulting in complete destruction of an IP
I would hardly consider 14% a mixed reception...
It's 14% because it's a mediocre show that was also review-bombed by "Star Wars fans". It's not a horrible show, but it's not well-made either.
It's between Book of Boba Fett and Ahsoka in terms of quality, but the review bombers make it seem like Disney personally committed war crimes against the reviewers' families.
Thet is the joke
@@StarPlatinum3000 There's no such thing as "review-bombing." Just activists masquerading as creatives who are so child-minded that they can't accept their latest project is massively hated.
@@tomspiegel5322it had more reviews after 4 episodes than all 3 seasons of the Mandalorian combined, but sure, it wasn’t review bombed.
@@tomspiegel5322 "There's no such thing as "review-bombing." delusional much? if true, then why is every other movie and show in existence with the name "acolyte" being review bombed with comments about star wars? you know reviews are dated? we can see how many people reviewed the show before it even aired. and how old or new the accounts are. so yes, review bombing is real and happening now, and the evidence is right there for everyone to see.
7:03 to 7:47
To be completely honest, I don't see the problem here. I mean, c'mon Lee, what you're describing is the very same thing Star Wars has been doing since before either of us were born. Between the novels, cartoon shows, comic books and video games they would jump around to just after the credits rolled on EP 6 to 4,000 years before EP 4 to in-between any given movie pair to a hundred years after everything then back to just after EP 6 again. All of this before Disney ever touched the franchise. Even if it is a problem (that I'm still not seeing, Star Wars trained me well there) you can't blame Disney for it. You can blame them for a lot of the other stuff going wrong with the franchise (and should), but not that...
Exactly, Lee is just being the Fandumb Menace and he is blinded by the Arrogance of Film Theory. He has fallen to the Chud Side of the Fandom which leads to many unnatural and wrong opinions often presented as fact.
You're right. The EU (post-Prequel, that is) has worked well as a non-linear thing. Basically pick what you want and watch it
Another point is that people need to realize a franchise with multiple authors is bound to have "lore-breaking" plot holes. Is the average casual viewer gonna care that Ki-Adi Mundi was born earlier and involved in an investigation where (to the Jedi) the Sith are way out of the picture?
I don't think so.
Also, kriff the bots
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Godzilla is even killing StarWars! That's how bad its gotten.
Thank you fot a more grounded delivery of sentences. Nice channel, I just found older videos too salesy. Now it's lovely.
I feel like Disney, and its ego, are too big to care to listen to reason.
Man, it is crazy how the video literally says that Ki Adi’s appearance “doesn’t matter all that much” but then repeatedly keeps showing him as an example over and over again. Like, I get it’s the most recent example of “lore breaking” but there are certainly better ones that could have been the editing through line for the rest of that segment.
Yea. Pretty true.
@Blue-qr4fiWhat the sigma
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It’s not even lore breaking if his only birthday exists in legends tho
@@thunder5026But the covering up of the Dark side users is.
Disney hates the story and the fans . I don't want to give them anymore time and money.
25 million$$ That’s is KK’s annual salary. Let that sink in.
I keep hearing about ‘these people who only care about the appearance of the people on screen’ but have never heard or seen anyone like that
Yes this is a straw man. Film Theory host guy trying to keep the mob from canceling him etc.
Oh but I've seen a lot of those face sensitive people comments
They do exist unfortunately. In this comment section alone I've seen a handful of people say how star wars has been ruined by "woke culture and pandering."
The people who only care about the appearance of the people on screen work at Disney, the have said so themselves repeatedly. It's not the fans who care, it's the creators who are obsessed with skin tone and genitalia.
Accept Anti-wk channels. But again,they are so small minorty,that %95 of the people one who against disney dont even know their existince.
To me, they can just stop. Not everything needs to be an eternal franchise.
@Blue-qr4fiThis is why your dad left.
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Then we won't know any other characters on Star Wars like Jango Fett, Darth Revan, or that Jedi Chuck Norris guy.
Can we just go back to when we thought Jar Jar was the death of Star Wars? We were so naive, we had no idea how much worse it would get.
One day the mask of the one in charge will fall off and we'll see Jar Jar Binks.
The only thing selling Star Wars at this point is LEGO.
They could always just make films of heir to the empire
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That’s what the current main story is (supposedly) leading up to based on ahsoka.
No, they can't, as evidenced by _Ahsoka_ and what Dave Filoni did to Thrawn.
These people aren't capable of adapting even the worst of the old EU.
@@aulvinduergard9952bro thrawn won what more do you want
@@captainzach6226Thrawn to act like Thrawn? That would sure be nice, but it’s not what we got. Instead we got a blue idiot who thinks he’s way smarter than he actually is, who got lucky.
I haven't even read the comments yet and can already probably guess how it's gonna go.
What did you guess? It's mostly 'fire KK' for now
Yet give no details, don't talk BS
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You don’t miss old Star Wars. You miss childhood memories.
0:25 i freaked out because how relatable that was
think its also worth mentioning that the shows and movies in a vacuum have been largely bad, to the point where good content seems like accidents
I been reading a lot of EU lately. The EU of course varies in quality but I’ll take any of the stuff they wrote over the current Disney canon. At least the EU tried different things.
EXACTLY
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The Ki adi Mundi issue is barely his birthday and much more that he says a Sith hasn’t been seen for 1000 years.
It basically collapsed under it's own weight. In the end you can tell if they want to make money or if they want to tell a story
at this point the theory team should take over disney
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No they shouldn't. Lee literally said to listen to the fans. The same people that hated the prequels. There you go. Listen to them then. See how that turns out
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The most heartbreaking part about this whole thing, is that Disney DOESN'T CARE. They are going to drive this franchise into the ground, and then wonder where it went wrong despite the fans telling them the whole time.
As long as they keep making money (and they will), they won't care about fixing anything
KIADI MUNDI'S AGE ISN'T THE PROBLEM. Jesus, who told you that? The ISSUE is he's stated saying "we haven't seen a Sith in 1000 years" and yet he's apart of a show about a SITH before the Prequels.
7:55 i think he forgot about bad batch and clone wars
Younger me is dying inside seeing what they did to Star Wars
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Yep don't like things. Disney the destroyer of everything you liked has a kid
@@stevenjones5850Ironic since kids are their main audience.
Cen relete well there are first 6 movies anytime i want to watch decent movies
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We're still calling Grogu "baby Yoda"? Mkay...
Film theory idea: talk about rilley and her parents Carl and Ellie and about why she is adopted by her non biological parents and also talk about rilley as a mother to andy and much more.
Everything you stated in this video i agree with. The only thing you forgot to include was esg scores. Seemingly those scores still affect almost everything they touch.
It's done on purpose, you really think they are unaware of this and will forget such topic?
Star Wars can’t be killed by Disney. Disney can only hurt themselves and their version of Star Wars while Lucas Star Wars and the Legends continuity will always be special to me and many other fans. Plus we still have Andor season 2 to look forward to.
Star Wars fans over 50 need to get over themselves. It's not normal to have fans of a kids story who are 50 years old now. Star Wars was for12 years olds - George Lucas said so when he made the prequels. He definitely didn't think he'd have returning fans from the 70's
@@suezcontours6653 Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. Hey guys, this guy figured it out! 50 years old is the cutoff for liking things!
lucas hated the legends continuity. he was always open about that. I remember friends in hs talking about how he just approved whatever went across his desk. he didn't care. He's said the only pre-disney cannon was clone wars because that was him and filoni.
I would say having consistent lore and GOOD story is the most important, which most of disney era SW lacks.
The people who are "more concerned about the appearance of the people on screen" are frustrated because Disney is sacraficing good story. The frustration is that many companies prioritize diversity so much that the story falls completely off the priority list. Thats why there are so many cuts and reshoots and directors leaving projects halfway through films. Theres all these boards that have to approve correct forms of representation and by the time you check off all the bockes theres no space left for a well rounded story that fits within the pre-existing universe
It’s been 12 years since the Disney incident 😭😭😭
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I was a Star wars fan before the dark times, before the mouse.
@Blue-qr4fi shut up Disney
I think the damage is already done they just have to erase everything they made and start again. They already did it once and now it’s time for another reset so we can take Star Wars seriously.
They just need the prequels and originals, just start from there and fix it
You mentioned the problem. Share holders....share holding greedy untalented individuals...
8:24 Rebels is animated not live action
Star Wars died when Disney got it's hsnds on it
That's devil's horns.
I agree with all the points made. More so, what I've been most disappointed about is the snobbery and disrespect Disney showed their fanbase by disowning the star wars expanded universe which is rich and had more than enough ample room to build lots of other content off of. It's this same snobbery that Netflix displayed with the Witcher series. Eventually, Hollywood will learn that it needs to keep to the lore that built the fanbase if it wants to market successfully to the fanbase.
I mean, the problem is that EU was kind of focused and disorganized, especially the stuff that occurs after Episode VI. And that wasn't Disney's choice, that was from LucasArts itself.
Love your video and keep up the great work you are awesome
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@12:14
Lee: *says that Star Wars fans are the most interested in lore*
Fazbear fans: hold my microphone
Ironically, Disney and Lucasfilm in their current state would've turned down the original Star Wars like many studios did in the 70s.
I miss the old Star Wars
Have you seen andor? It's the only thing that's felt like old starwars for me
6:20 It was so seamless I forgot that you guys were bought.
honestly, had MatPat not made a video on it, very few people would have noticed.
Kudos to the team for being transparent on it