14:52 "Instead you should expand your horizons to see what multiple influencers say and see what commonalities their reviews have" That's great advice that goes for learning/researching in general: the more sources there are saying the same thing, the more confident you can be about that one piece of information.
@@BrenGamerYT That's a particularly good (necessary, even) approach when it comes to news (especially considering certain news outlets can be extremely biased).
When you follow someone out onto the street unsolicited to harrass them, then you don't really believe they're a gangster. If you're going to utter the word logic, then I suggest you understand how to use it.
I've never really trusted influencers who criticize food, you should be suggesting WHERE you should go depending on where you are, "best bistro in NYC" stuff, not using your power to destroy lives, not to mention these same people usually rate EVERYTHING one star very publicly
i mean i can understand criticizing places that like undercook food or whatever though, because thats just dangerous, like i saw this video of a girl who went to a michelin star place that undercooked fresh pasta and a bunch another meal, but she complimented their other meals and said everyone is entitled to their own opinions she just didnt like it, which i feel like is being a bit too nice lol
Even in Dave's pizza reviews he says over and over that he likes one specific style of pizza so anyone who is basing where they go off of one guy is honestly just foolish.
Its sad because they will believe them go to the location and complain lack of variety then vote 1 star on the restruant same thing happened to our Burger and grill restruant a woman graduating brought all their friends here they loved out food then over the next few weeks her friends will come and complain that we got no vegan options (a pound of onions is more expensive here then ground beef so we never stock up on them) OR complain that all we do is grilled food nothing else (our best seller grilled corn , potatoes and a burger patty with egg fried rice) overtime people stoped comming because we got a reputation of being a sucky restruant we closed over a year later
@trishamayacielo657 yikes that's terrible. Especially if you made it clear that it was a burger and grill restaurant. I guess now all restaurants have to have something for everyone regardless of their goals
Exactly. I will never order a plain cheese pizza anywhere I go. My favorite style is Detroit or Sicilian and I'm from Chicago. I know what I'm used to and I know what I like. That being said, when Dave comes to the Chicago burbs and he scores something over an 8 and I haven't been there I go. One was mid and the other is my new favorite deep dish.
He donated to a local family owned shop near me that was struggling, and actually saved the place. Now they're one of the most popular places to go out here.
there is not a single food influencer on Earth that could ever come close to conveying, through social media, the equivalent of Pete Wells' masterfully written takedown of Guy Fieri's Time Square restaurant. That was the food review equivalent of death by a thousand cuts. When done well, old school food critics still have a place in the modern restaurant industry.
It's almost like influencers are a problem and we should stop giving them so much power and attention. I for one prefer to only follow channels that are aware of the power and responsibility that they hold. For example, the moment MatPat figured out that any theorists were causing real world people trouble while trying to solve a "call to arms" puzzle, he shut it down. To him, no video, no answer, was worth causing real people any level of trouble.
This. I've just straight up quit tiktok and Instagram because of influencers, a large majority of them are the problem with social media, barring other stuff.
And it served as a good thing for me to keep written down for when I do EVENTUALLY start my own ARG, an important warning on the main site dictating when an element is meant to be related to something IRL to do, rather than digitally.
If I see a positive One Bite review I assume the place is bad or the owner paid Barstool and I never go near it. I know that in Chicago places have stopped posting that they have been reviewed by him.
Hearing the first rule, Was mind-blowing, not letting people know who you are judging fairly and not trying to get what you want, so you give them a better review? I cannot imagine a food critic doing any of that nowadays
that is literally Keith Lee's entire brand. he remains anonymous when eating, using fake names, disguises, or having his family order the food, and he refuses all special treatment as well.
@@thetubemz937 Guy already had a number of restaurants before appearing on - and winning - Food Network Star. He's probably more of a food guy now though.
I'd say it depends on what kind of person they are. It's like getting recommendations on makeup or skin care from a person who owns their own brand, and actually is a part of the process. They know what is what and can tell you what is worth it and what isn't. If they constantly talk bad about anything but their own brand then it's probably not a reliable source.
it goes both ways. Pros: they have experience making them "experts", it is just a matter of if they remain in the bounds of their expertise. Cons: they are incentivised to trash local competition for profit and use their platform to advertise themselves. Context matters, but i can agree with the sentiment in a context-less void. Reviewing stuff far away (multiple states away) from their hub of business is usually a good sign, up until you notice a pattern between negative reviews and new branches.
keith lee is one of the few food critics i listen to. he keeps his orders anonymous, orders a variety of food, and will even go back to certain locations to follow up. Shops that go under after keith lee reviews are rarely caused by the food. more often than not it’s actions of the staff or owners.
Exaactly idk why Santi didn't mention any of that in the video Keith Lee was definitely doing the things he was criticizing many other food reviewers for not doing
Yeah, I don't think using Keith as an example here was the right move. Whenever he doesn't quite like a food he does say, that it doesn't represent the entirety of their food and that they couls have just had a bad day. If a restaurant goes under it's, as you say, due to the owner's or staff's actions. Like that one where the owner refused to share the huge tip that was specifically given to be shared. But of course it's more convenient to ignore that in this video Edit: just saw he mentioned the tip story. But still, it's not exactly Keith's fault. The owner kinda brought it upon herself by also reacting and replying the way she did.
@@megatronusorionpax4900Keith Lee is more here to talk about how the concept of food influencer is problematic instead of it being just on the influencer themselves. By all accounts he is doing it right, but like mentioned in the video the fan backlash for that one person who took the entire tip bled into a whole other company is a perfect example of why even the most wholesome of food influencers can be problematic. That said Keith is very much a best case scenario, and it’s a shame there really aren’t many other food influencers like him.
Most of the spots Portnoy gave bad review were already on their way out or were newer pizza spots. A new restaurant is likely to close within the first 3 years if it isn’t some kind of chain.
This is why I appreciate Mike Chen/Strictly Dumpling as a food reviewer. He is well aware of his influence, and makes it a point to not post negative reviews of small businesses, as the last thing he wants to do is ruin someone's livelihood to bolster his own. the only time you'll ever see him post a megative review is if the food is coming from a major chain, as his opinion isn't going to do any actual harm in that case. this is the sort of thing you'll often see if he's checking out stuff from Costco, trader Joe's, or a major restaurant/resort chain. Even then, I love that regardless of the palce he visits, he gets numerous things from the menu most times, to give a better idea of what htey serve and what's worth trying out. This is something I would love to see more food reviewers nowadays doing, as everyone involved wins.
I’m sorry. But for me it’s the same for any reviewer for anything- movies, food, cars. If a reviewer always has high scores and almost never bad reviews. I’m not trusting them. Specifically because they’re trying to be conscious and not exactly honest with their review.
@@steamsmith2356 , you just need to keep the scale of their reviews in mind in those cases. For instance, if you know it is someone that is cautious with their reviewing (trying to keep it to the higher end), then you know a mid rating must've been fairly bad. People always judge things on their own scale anyway. What you might consider a 3/10 could be someone else's 6/10. It's all arbitrary, and you should just try/judge it yourself rather than trusting *any* reviewer.
Negative reviews are also important, or else you're just a shill. Look at Keith Lee for example, if he didnt give negative reviews people wouldnt talk about Atlanta food industry. But Keith at least keep it professional and let them down easy, and dont use his influence (actively avoids using it in fact)
Actually I honestly don’t know if this was because of Dave’s review. But a local pizza place I used to go had really good pizza. And he eventually reviewed it and gave it a good score, but after that review the place was overrun with customers. Good for the business they deserve it, but the quality of the pizza went down.
@barry5 actually, it means exactly that..... do you even watch one bite reviews? Or do you know everything about portnoy now because you watched this video?
@@streamylc So that means he can go on destroying people's lives and good restaurants until the day he dies with no consequences whatsoever? Is that what you are saying?
@@RoyCyberPunkNo, what it means is that Dave bases his score of what he likes in a pizza. He specifically says what he looks for from particular styles of pizza. If you watched any of his videos you would know this. You've been hoodwinked by this video.
I love that Keith, by his own morals, still sticks to the rules as close as he can He gets multiple things and judges them all as objectively as he can "i like it saltier but this is a great ***" etc He stays anonymous as much as he can, often others picking up for him, or disguised, both harder with his popularity now He comments on conditions too, was it busy, was itempty and how that may effect the quality. Another big factor making his reviews so popular is commenting on more than just the food, the people serving it often just as or more important to him Just a good dude who likes good food and good people. Love Keith Lee
Here’s an idea that could bring anonymity back to the food influencer: v-tuber food critics. That way the restaurants don’t know who you are, you can’t demand free food, but your brand can still go viral and keep your channel thriving. Just a thought.
I watch one bite pizza. My main goal is to learn about new places. There was a pizza place 15 mins away from me that I never knew about. The rating and review I take with a grain of parmesan.
Yup, me too. I don't trust the critiques of the influencer because they aren't me and can have wildly different taste buds. But they do help in showing little known places.
I pray that people stop basing their opinions on one person. Just because one person had a bad experience doesn't mean you will. Stop ruining other people's lives because you liked someone else that they don't.
I have done that many a times! That is what I like about Brennan Taylor's reviews - he goes to "sketchy" spots, Daym Drops also does similar in vastly different ways how they approach their videos. They both basically go to 1 star reviewed or no reviewed/dodgy/sketchy looking restaurants/take away places and see if their food is good, they are often surprised!
The way I see it, is that even if a small percentage of people really like a place it can be worth a try. After all, I may be one of those people within that small percentage that would love it as well.
Yeah, I've heard about these "influencers" who essentially think that giving a restaurant "exposure" would be enough payment for their meal. I say "influencers" with quotes because real influencers and celebrities don't go on social media begging for free stuff just because they're "internet famous".
@@SimonWoodburyForget Which is why I put "influencers" in quotes because while you are correct that influencers are basically billboard advertisements it doesn't change the fact that so called influencers would go online essentially being a beggar for free stuff.
Most of the online critics worth following are 1) people who have actually culinary experience or gastronomy knowledge overall and 2) paid the restaurants and food services. People asking for free stuff don't understand what it takes to MAKE food or run an establishment.
I’ve heard guy Fieri show has a similar impact on business like I heard when a show is shown on repeat or is featured in his diners drive in and dives show they see a huge boost in customers. And some times restaurants will track when their episode is going to be shown and prep for the extra visitors
In a fashion, Guy paved the way for these food influencers. But you'll notice that Guy never says anything bad about a place, even when he's served a dish that he clearly does not like (like Cheeseburger Fried Rice). He is 100% aware of the power he has to help or hinder a business, and I don't think he's ever chosen to do the latter. Guy may look like the worst kind of dudebro dad, but he's all right in my completely insignificant opinion.
I have not finished watching this video, but i do i want to say i love it when the owners of the restaurants tell him they DONT care about getting a high score because they wouldnt be able to keep up with the insane uptick in business. Im sure this vid will touch on it. Those are the REAL restaurants right there. Doing it for the love and not for only the bottom line.
I mean it's less about doing it for the love of it, and more just that they don't have the staff to keep up with the demand that would come as a result
Same, I was just telling my boyfriend the other day how well the transition has been and how much I enjoy the content with Santi. Of course all love to MatPat still, but Santi was such a solid choice!
@@theindexoraclehe is definitely my favorite out of the new hosts, followed by Tom then Amy and then Lee. I also love how he doesn't butcher foreign words often, it was fun to see Mat butchering words but Santi just nails it
@@MyBanannas Food Theory was the only channel of Mat Pats that I ever subscribed to. Not interested in games, watch movies just once in a while, don't care about style. But food? On board!
@@tanikokishimoto1604 I've been moving in that direction over the years. I'm still into games, just not usually the ones Game Theory makes videos about lately. Also, since MatPat quit, I've only found one Game Theory video interesting enough to watch, whereas before that, there'd be at least one video I'd find interesting a month.
As some who spent almost 15 years (2002-2015) rating and reviewing beers online. I learned taste is subjective, and people can have biases and prejudices towards a style of beer. One of the reasons why I stopped reviewing beers is because I found myself being more judgmental when reviewing beers. Just to keep it out of the 80th percentile. Professional beer reviews have subtle ways of saying they did not like a beer. They say they have a scale between 1-100. They never really give a beer a score below 75 or 80. So, the scale is really 75-100, or 1-25. A beer with a score of 81, actually has a 1 or a 6. The second reason why I stopped reviewing beers personally is I ran out of adjectives. Which is bigger than it sounds/reads.
Most people judge a place on their first visit. Keith Lee tries his best to be anonymous to order the food. Even going as far as refusing service once they find out it was him. Food critics have been paid for reviews for decades, long before TikTok.
If you are visiting, some restaurants have ovens that are grandfathered in through the regulations, and you will get your food in less than five minutes.
@@yin-sin*customers, they didn't came in costumes (I hope). Not dissing you, btw. Modern English is indeed a pain to learn, due to it being a mishmash of different European languages.
Dave is one of the good ones, you have some valid points but that place he rescored because he got thrashed was also because they changed management and changed the recipes for the worse and it was valid.
So what I'm hearing is people need to stop doing things influencers say, make up their own minds, and need to be forced to show proof via receipts that they actually tried the food before they are allowed to drop a review
It makes me angry to see just how selfish people can be. They don't take into consideration that they're literally playing with people's livelihoods. The idea that your dream foodery could be demolished in a day by one person's subjective opinion is horrifying. For me, I try to keep an open mind, and remember that what the person I'm watching says about a dish, might not be the same as I would feel about it
Keith Lee does keep him self anonymous and always pays for his food. He also tells people to try it for themselves and everyone's taste buds are different. He's the only food reviewer I like.
15:27 Letting a food reviewer run your food life; would be like letting a color blind person be you personal stylist...WHY???? Their palette will never be yours.
Tbf if the pilot is boring, the entire 1st season of that show is usually boring aswell to the point that it'shard yo get through the 1st season. Usually the rest of the show is decent, but you can't just start at season 2, because you need the context that season 1 gives you.
I am not a big fan of Dave but he helps out WAY more local spots then people realize. He is helping out way more local business then this channel 😂 so hate the guy as much as you want he does help
this is why I support local 'Positive only' critics. I have a few I trust that are only looking for the best. Anything not "good" by their standards will just not be posted. "bad" locations will simply be ignored. Also all bad locations will get 6 month checkups to make sure the bad was only a one off event. This is how I found the best Wings, Burger, Pizza and BBQ in my area and how several locations are now in intense competition to be the best or just get on the list. Getting a review from these local critics are a huge boost in sales and it helps them keep that fighting spirit to be the best.
Food Theory Idea: If one were to be stuck on a desert island for a full year and could only have one food with them for the full year, what is the objective best food to have? (Side note: water is included on the island.)
They've kind of already done this one. They did a pizza in the Subway. Based one, That found that most of what you need can be on a veggie sub. But it really does depend on what you count as one food
I live in the same town as a pizza place One Bite reviews went to, he gave it a really good rating, but since he did that now there are 2-5 hour wait times for pizza.
Dave reviews are just in fun! He has never once said he is a highend food critic. I love watching them. I love hearing about the history of the places he visits. He gives so much back to business & communities. It doesn't mean I will like the same pizza he does.
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikhUnless it’s a slice with a good undercarriage not much flop and made by an 87 year old from a family chain, then he’s very happy
I think this is reasonable. For example, if the owner of a restaurant is racist, I think it makes sense to warn others that this is the case, regardless of whether or not you have personally eaten there.
Reminds me of something I was reading about where people would write reviews complaining about some food item from a restaurant when it is something the restaurant never served. Example: a review about how terrible the pizza was when it is a Chinese restaurant.
@@gangsta8929 For people that go out looking for racism, it is found around every corner. Want to end racism? Stop talking about it and stop looking for it.
Are we not going to mention that its worthwhile for places to be correctly called out for bad service and food? Either they try to improve or they go out of business. One bite was started to help localy owned pizza places stay open.
I watched the entire video and no where did it prove or say why you should keep Dave away from your business. He also didn't contact any of the visited pizzerias to get statements. Nice video. Not.
As someone who’s taken a planned vacation day to drive out of state to try a highly rated Portnoy pizza, it wasn’t may favorite or style. And this goes for movies as well, just bc a critic said it was bad, they don’t know your tastes, if you like similar things, try it yourself.
wow, I hope Food Theory is not getting demonized, because to quote Santi, "I see how MatPat had a hard time not being taken out of context on the food channel."
so what? He destroys other business just because his feelings get hurt. Why does he need that power. Let the consumers vote with their dollars. Speaking for myself I don’t need some out of touch d-bag telling me how to think. I can form my own opinion
So he donates 40 million dollars to small business, saves countless dying restaurants during covid, but he's the bad guy because Matt Patt from fnaf said so. Ok.
HE likes what kind of pizza HE likes. It's his opinion. People tell him where he should go, so he goes to try. HE is not destroying businesses by rating them poorly, some of his fans are by not taking into account their personal preferences.
If people are genuinely "influenced" by these so called influencers then im really worried about the way society is heading. Whether that be food, drink, make up, books, tv shows etc. The only 1 person you can truly trust is yourself. Everybodys tastes are different.
I just wanted to mention that Keith Lee does anonymous food reviews. He openly says he pays people to buy food for he and his family since he knows they are well known. He will also order it on door dash or order pick up under a different name and ask someone to go in and pick up the order for him. I don’t think it was fair to critique him on other point but not mention this.
Not only that. He never even proved the entire title of the video. Only that Dave should stay anonymous and probably eat there multiple times before scoring are the main ones. He in no way proved Dave is sinking pizza places.
Honestly this seems more like Critics in general are the problem. Influencers just chose a different type of media. This has been a problem in the food industry, music industry, and the film industry. Critics in general are the problem
An influencer did a video about a shop near me that makes a sandwich using a pickle as the bread. That shop has lost my business and most of the locals till people stop ordering them. The sandwich isn’t that good anyway. But the line has been out the door since that video went live. They won’t even get my business back because we just switched to a different shop.
Honestly this applies to any product or service if you see a negtive or postive review of something look around for other perspectives from different people soo you are more well informed
Yeah, if there’s one bad review, read it and think about that person’s perspective. If there are a lot of good reviews and a couple bad ones …. I would look at the different reviews and see what you can take from them to make sure that they’re all real reviews first of all and that one thing isn’t because the actual customer was the problem and not the actual restaurant
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They say the most unhinged bs I love theorists
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWOwhat do you want kid you have no life or love and I bet you’re probably a little kid or a old man
Unhinged but it's the raw truth!
somehow, I read theorists as terrorists
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Also I made it go from 69 to 70 likes
Ppl don't realize that taste is subjective bcuz they're such sycophants to media personalities today
Exactly. Like with wine, just because it's expensive and judges liked it, doesn't mean you will.
It's my main issue with influencers and mob mentality in general
True, if you don't like it simple just do eat there.
What does sycophant mean?
@@Niche-Machine It means someone who has no meaning of morals or self justifications for helping others, just self gain, think clouts.
"Bleep bleep your pizza sucks" good summary
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWO monkey
DO NOT REPLY JUST REPORT AND MOVE ALONG!
@@Majik-7121 sure ig
@@Majik-7121what?
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14:52 "Instead you should expand your horizons to see what multiple influencers say and see what commonalities their reviews have" That's great advice that goes for learning/researching in general: the more sources there are saying the same thing, the more confident you can be about that one piece of information.
I had this media professor in college who used like 8 different news apps for this reason
@@BrenGamerYT That's a particularly good (necessary, even) approach when it comes to news (especially considering certain news outlets can be extremely biased).
Pizzaria: Accuses Portnoy of being a Mafia
Portnoy: Responds with mob-like pressure tactics.
Logic.
Scumbag acts like scumbag when he has his feelings hurt.
One review out of how many?
What... he's had 3 controversial reviews out of how many?
When you follow someone out onto the street unsolicited to harrass them, then you don't really believe they're a gangster.
If you're going to utter the word logic, then I suggest you understand how to use it.
@@AfroGaz71Derp
@@jamespohl-md2eq I see you've decided to abandon logic. 😂
He rated his own frozen pizza as a 10... It was floppy
Matpats last video was no good male role models but the conflict in barbies was to stop male role models.
floppy? wow...says a lot
Guys he was joking come on don’t be so dense he knows by saying it’s a 10 is crazy
"Why some people just don't need to exist."
Anyone that rates any frozen pizza that high can't be trusted!
I've never really trusted influencers who criticize food, you should be suggesting WHERE you should go depending on where you are, "best bistro in NYC" stuff, not using your power to destroy lives, not to mention these same people usually rate EVERYTHING one star very publicly
Exactly. Influencers are the dumbest thing possible. Like why trust someone who ate the food once and never went back, when you can just go yourself
i mean i can understand criticizing places that like undercook food or whatever though, because thats just dangerous, like i saw this video of a girl who went to a michelin star place that undercooked fresh pasta and a bunch another meal, but she complimented their other meals and said everyone is entitled to their own opinions she just didnt like it, which i feel like is being a bit too nice lol
oh thank god we calling his BS out
I'm not trusting anybody that raves about everything either.
Exactly!
Even in Dave's pizza reviews he says over and over that he likes one specific style of pizza so anyone who is basing where they go off of one guy is honestly just foolish.
thats majority of humanity unfortinatly, howmeany blindly vote left or right with no atual resrach on the candadates?
Its sad because they will believe them go to the location and complain lack of variety then vote 1 star on the restruant same thing happened to our Burger and grill restruant a woman graduating brought all their friends here they loved out food then over the next few weeks her friends will come and complain that we got no vegan options (a pound of onions is more expensive here then ground beef so we never stock up on them) OR complain that all we do is grilled food nothing else (our best seller grilled corn , potatoes and a burger patty with egg fried rice) overtime people stoped comming because we got a reputation of being a sucky restruant we closed over a year later
@trishamayacielo657 yikes that's terrible. Especially if you made it clear that it was a burger and grill restaurant. I guess now all restaurants have to have something for everyone regardless of their goals
New haven pizza is pretty good though 🍕
Exactly. I will never order a plain cheese pizza anywhere I go. My favorite style is Detroit or Sicilian and I'm from Chicago. I know what I'm used to and I know what I like. That being said, when Dave comes to the Chicago burbs and he scores something over an 8 and I haven't been there I go. One was mid and the other is my new favorite deep dish.
He donated to a local family owned shop near me that was struggling, and actually saved the place. Now they're one of the most popular places to go out here.
He's convinced a billion people into thinking somehow "flop" is a bad thing in pizza.
That is criminal
@@barry_allen321 Yeah, it's a shame that people can't think for themselves I guess.
@@jmatt781 just because he did something good doesn't mean he's immune to doing something bad.
@@barry_allen321 K
@@barry_allen321nope, it says that's the style he prefers.
Also, "a billion people" 😂
there is not a single food influencer on Earth that could ever come close to conveying, through social media, the equivalent of Pete Wells' masterfully written takedown of Guy Fieri's Time Square restaurant. That was the food review equivalent of death by a thousand cuts. When done well, old school food critics still have a place in the modern restaurant industry.
It's almost like influencers are a problem and we should stop giving them so much power and attention. I for one prefer to only follow channels that are aware of the power and responsibility that they hold. For example, the moment MatPat figured out that any theorists were causing real world people trouble while trying to solve a "call to arms" puzzle, he shut it down. To him, no video, no answer, was worth causing real people any level of trouble.
This. I've just straight up quit tiktok and Instagram because of influencers, a large majority of them are the problem with social media, barring other stuff.
Dave isn't a influecer tho@@Adasweeettt
And it served as a good thing for me to keep written down for when I do EVENTUALLY start my own ARG, an important warning on the main site dictating when an element is meant to be related to something IRL to do, rather than digitally.
ignore the bots just report them .
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikh boring
Influencers who demand "money or free food or else" need imprisonment.
It is legitimately extortion and is definitely something people should have legal recourse against.
Or the business could record the demand and release it to the public showing everyone what they are doing.
That’s not a crime, private businesses have every right to refuse that request.
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikh no one is gonna say anything about this?
@@Sniperboy5551 look up what extortion is
Influencers who want free stuff are the worst.
David Portnoy is a very very rich man, he doesnt need any free stuff
@@TheErikjsm he wasnt talking about David
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikh What is wrong with you?
@@ravinhud4979 Pretty sure it's just one of a million different flavours of garbage bot accounts UA-cam is too dumb to get rid of
*True, Dave doesn’t ask for free stuff but that does apply to others for integrity
My friend owns a pizza place. His one bite review saved his shop.
That's great and all but the point of the video is that the opposite also happens and the review may not be objective
If I see a positive One Bite review I assume the place is bad or the owner paid Barstool and I never go near it. I know that in Chicago places have stopped posting that they have been reviewed by him.
Yea and also canceled many
The problem is immature children/clowns review bombing anything their favorite influencers don't like.
Name it then
Hearing the first rule, Was mind-blowing, not letting people know who you are judging fairly and not trying to get what you want, so you give them a better review? I cannot imagine a food critic doing any of that nowadays
that is literally Keith Lee's entire brand. he remains anonymous when eating, using fake names, disguises, or having his family order the food, and he refuses all special treatment as well.
I'm not sure an owner of a restaurant chain should be going around judging other restaurants. I can't trust that that isn't motivated in some way
Like, say, a Guy Fieri?
@kevwwong As far as I'm aware he was food guy first and restaurant guy second. If that's wrong then yes, a good example is Guy feiri
@@thetubemz937 Guy already had a number of restaurants before appearing on - and winning - Food Network Star. He's probably more of a food guy now though.
I'd say it depends on what kind of person they are. It's like getting recommendations on makeup or skin care from a person who owns their own brand, and actually is a part of the process. They know what is what and can tell you what is worth it and what isn't. If they constantly talk bad about anything but their own brand then it's probably not a reliable source.
it goes both ways. Pros: they have experience making them "experts", it is just a matter of if they remain in the bounds of their expertise. Cons: they are incentivised to trash local competition for profit and use their platform to advertise themselves.
Context matters, but i can agree with the sentiment in a context-less void. Reviewing stuff far away (multiple states away) from their hub of business is usually a good sign, up until you notice a pattern between negative reviews and new branches.
keith lee is one of the few food critics i listen to. he keeps his orders anonymous, orders a variety of food, and will even go back to certain locations to follow up. Shops that go under after keith lee reviews are rarely caused by the food. more often than not it’s actions of the staff or owners.
Exaactly idk why Santi didn't mention any of that in the video Keith Lee was definitely doing the things he was criticizing many other food reviewers for not doing
@@megatronusorionpax4900He did mention one of the examples where since the staff kept the change for herself, they got attacked by the mob
Yeah, I don't think using Keith as an example here was the right move. Whenever he doesn't quite like a food he does say, that it doesn't represent the entirety of their food and that they couls have just had a bad day. If a restaurant goes under it's, as you say, due to the owner's or staff's actions. Like that one where the owner refused to share the huge tip that was specifically given to be shared. But of course it's more convenient to ignore that in this video
Edit: just saw he mentioned the tip story. But still, it's not exactly Keith's fault. The owner kinda brought it upon herself by also reacting and replying the way she did.
@@megatronusorionpax4900Keith Lee is more here to talk about how the concept of food influencer is problematic instead of it being just on the influencer themselves. By all accounts he is doing it right, but like mentioned in the video the fan backlash for that one person who took the entire tip bled into a whole other company is a perfect example of why even the most wholesome of food influencers can be problematic. That said Keith is very much a best case scenario, and it’s a shame there really aren’t many other food influencers like him.
Most of the spots Portnoy gave bad review were already on their way out or were newer pizza spots. A new restaurant is likely to close within the first 3 years if it isn’t some kind of chain.
This is why I appreciate Mike Chen/Strictly Dumpling as a food reviewer. He is well aware of his influence, and makes it a point to not post negative reviews of small businesses, as the last thing he wants to do is ruin someone's livelihood to bolster his own. the only time you'll ever see him post a megative review is if the food is coming from a major chain, as his opinion isn't going to do any actual harm in that case. this is the sort of thing you'll often see if he's checking out stuff from Costco, trader Joe's, or a major restaurant/resort chain. Even then, I love that regardless of the palce he visits, he gets numerous things from the menu most times, to give a better idea of what htey serve and what's worth trying out. This is something I would love to see more food reviewers nowadays doing, as everyone involved wins.
I’m sorry. But for me it’s the same for any reviewer for anything- movies, food, cars. If a reviewer always has high scores and almost never bad reviews. I’m not trusting them. Specifically because they’re trying to be conscious and not exactly honest with their review.
@@steamsmith2356 , you just need to keep the scale of their reviews in mind in those cases. For instance, if you know it is someone that is cautious with their reviewing (trying to keep it to the higher end), then you know a mid rating must've been fairly bad. People always judge things on their own scale anyway. What you might consider a 3/10 could be someone else's 6/10. It's all arbitrary, and you should just try/judge it yourself rather than trusting *any* reviewer.
Yessss he's the best!
ignore the bots just report them .
Negative reviews are also important, or else you're just a shill. Look at Keith Lee for example, if he didnt give negative reviews people wouldnt talk about Atlanta food industry. But Keith at least keep it professional and let them down easy, and dont use his influence (actively avoids using it in fact)
Actually I honestly don’t know if this was because of Dave’s review. But a local pizza place I used to go had really good pizza. And he eventually reviewed it and gave it a good score, but after that review the place was overrun with customers. Good for the business they deserve it, but the quality of the pizza went down.
It’s amazing how food “influencers” operate almost completely opposite from real food critics
You realize this is a hobby for Dave portnoy, right?
@@streamylc That doesnt mean he can just ignore the responsibility that comes with being that popular.
@barry5 actually, it means exactly that..... do you even watch one bite reviews? Or do you know everything about portnoy now because you watched this video?
@@streamylc
So that means he can go on destroying people's lives and good restaurants until the day he dies with no consequences whatsoever? Is that what you are saying?
@@RoyCyberPunkNo, what it means is that Dave bases his score of what he likes in a pizza. He specifically says what he looks for from particular styles of pizza.
If you watched any of his videos you would know this. You've been hoodwinked by this video.
I love that Keith, by his own morals, still sticks to the rules as close as he can
He gets multiple things and judges them all as objectively as he can "i like it saltier but this is a great ***" etc
He stays anonymous as much as he can, often others picking up for him, or disguised, both harder with his popularity now
He comments on conditions too, was it busy, was itempty and how that may effect the quality. Another big factor making his reviews so popular is commenting on more than just the food, the people serving it often just as or more important to him
Just a good dude who likes good food and good people. Love Keith Lee
Ya he's the best
Same as portnoy
He also sends in his wife or mom so they can see it from their perspective which helps the integrity of the overall review.
@@vengray8055Lol. What's the same as Portnoy?
Here’s an idea that could bring anonymity back to the food influencer: v-tuber food critics. That way the restaurants don’t know who you are, you can’t demand free food, but your brand can still go viral and keep your channel thriving. Just a thought.
Wait that’s actually smart
@@CallytheCalicoCat Thank you 🙂
i'll have to second this notion.. good idea
Dave does this
Lol, bruh, you trying to reinvent Yelp with 10,000 extra steps, what?
I watch one bite pizza. My main goal is to learn about new places. There was a pizza place 15 mins away from me that I never knew about. The rating and review I take with a grain of parmesan.
AMAZING COMMENT
Grain of parmesan lol
Tbf u can also just google pizza places near me and get the same outcome
I need to shake the cheese bottle for at least 5 seconds
Yup, me too. I don't trust the critiques of the influencer because they aren't me and can have wildly different taste buds. But they do help in showing little known places.
I pray that people stop basing their opinions on one person. Just because one person had a bad experience doesn't mean you will. Stop ruining other people's lives because you liked someone else that they don't.
Portnoy has single-handedly convinced people that “flop”, “crisp”, and “tang” are the only descriptors for a pizza.
Moral of the story? Think for yourself, heck even that 1 star resturant you went for the lols may serve surprisingly good food.
I have done that many a times! That is what I like about Brennan Taylor's reviews - he goes to "sketchy" spots, Daym Drops also does similar in vastly different ways how they approach their videos. They both basically go to 1 star reviewed or no reviewed/dodgy/sketchy looking restaurants/take away places and see if their food is good, they are often surprised!
@@Defensive_Wounds I am going to take a look at that channel! Thank you for leaving a comment about him :)
The way I see it, is that even if a small percentage of people really like a place it can be worth a try. After all, I may be one of those people within that small percentage that would love it as well.
Showing the closure of Amy's baking company to prove a point is incredible
Yeah, I've heard about these "influencers" who essentially think that giving a restaurant "exposure" would be enough payment for their meal. I say "influencers" with quotes because real influencers and celebrities don't go on social media begging for free stuff just because they're "internet famous".
@@SimonWoodburyForget Which is why I put "influencers" in quotes because while you are correct that influencers are basically billboard advertisements it doesn't change the fact that so called influencers would go online essentially being a beggar for free stuff.
Most of the online critics worth following are 1) people who have actually culinary experience or gastronomy knowledge overall and 2) paid the restaurants and food services.
People asking for free stuff don't understand what it takes to MAKE food or run an establishment.
@@fandomcake5158 Exactly
Does anyone in this comment section even know who Dave Portnoy is?
@@streamylc Never heard of him
She wanted a pet platypus but ended up getting a duck and a ferret instead.
2:19 "Daddy Long-Name." 10/10 name, will be storing for future use.
I’ve heard guy Fieri show has a similar impact on business like I heard when a show is shown on repeat or is featured in his diners drive in and dives show they see a huge boost in customers. And some times restaurants will track when their episode is going to be shown and prep for the extra visitors
In a fashion, Guy paved the way for these food influencers. But you'll notice that Guy never says anything bad about a place, even when he's served a dish that he clearly does not like (like Cheeseburger Fried Rice). He is 100% aware of the power he has to help or hinder a business, and I don't think he's ever chosen to do the latter.
Guy may look like the worst kind of dudebro dad, but he's all right in my completely insignificant opinion.
I have not finished watching this video, but i do i want to say i love it when the owners of the restaurants tell him they DONT care about getting a high score because they wouldnt be able to keep up with the insane uptick in business. Im sure this vid will touch on it. Those are the REAL restaurants right there. Doing it for the love and not for only the bottom line.
The video went in a different direction.
@@sauvagess yeah it did lol.
I mean it's less about doing it for the love of it, and more just that they don't have the staff to keep up with the demand that would come as a result
Those are the restaurants that will close
Props for hoping this video was in good faith
Santi is having so much fun with this channel, and that's awesome. I think I've watched this channel more and more because of this.
Same, I was just telling my boyfriend the other day how well the transition has been and how much I enjoy the content with Santi. Of course all love to MatPat still, but Santi was such a solid choice!
Yeah, Food Theory's the only one I stayed subbed to after MatPat quit.
@@theindexoraclehe is definitely my favorite out of the new hosts, followed by Tom then Amy and then Lee. I also love how he doesn't butcher foreign words often, it was fun to see Mat butchering words but Santi just nails it
@@MyBanannas Food Theory was the only channel of Mat Pats that I ever subscribed to. Not interested in games, watch movies just once in a while, don't care about style. But food? On board!
@@tanikokishimoto1604 I've been moving in that direction over the years. I'm still into games, just not usually the ones Game Theory makes videos about lately. Also, since MatPat quit, I've only found one Game Theory video interesting enough to watch, whereas before that, there'd be at least one video I'd find interesting a month.
The food critics of the 90s may have "tried" to be anonymous, but chefs knew when they were at their restaurant
Chefs treat every customer as a food critic. Or rather they should
As some who spent almost 15 years (2002-2015) rating and reviewing beers online. I learned taste is subjective, and people can have biases and prejudices towards a style of beer. One of the reasons why I stopped reviewing beers is because I found myself being more judgmental when reviewing beers. Just to keep it out of the 80th percentile. Professional beer reviews have subtle ways of saying they did not like a beer. They say they have a scale between 1-100. They never really give a beer a score below 75 or 80. So, the scale is really 75-100, or 1-25. A beer with a score of 81, actually has a 1 or a 6. The second reason why I stopped reviewing beers personally is I ran out of adjectives. Which is bigger than it sounds/reads.
2:07 Ulala, Santi knows French!
Nah, the critic guy is daddy long name!
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikhkys
Food theory Idea: What’s the best liquid to dip cookies in?
phlegm
My friend like apple juice.. ??!!
Everyone knows it’s sulfuric acid.
Mountain Dew
Umm.. Milk maybe? I heard that's great! 😅
So, summary is, literally: Don't care for what you see online, just what you taste!
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikhbro what💀
So bad businesses serving bad food get a bad review? As a business owner, I say be better.
Most people judge a place on their first visit. Keith Lee tries his best to be anonymous to order the food. Even going as far as refusing service once they find out it was him. Food critics have been paid for reviews for decades, long before TikTok.
Best pizza place is literally _any_ of the family owned joints you can find in New York. I have been all over Manhattan, never had a bad pizza.
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikh I live in Texas, and I wanna go back for the pizza alone.
Always wanted to visit NYC or just America in general. Though as a Brit I guess I'd better stay out of the South.
Rays pizza in new york is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
If you are visiting, some restaurants have ovens that are grandfathered in through the regulations, and you will get your food in less than five minutes.
Bro ik shre there stleastvoje bad one
Also everyone cant be the best
i dont get why yall r so obsessed with being first, but okay.
edit: im not saying its wrong, i really do wonder why.
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWO shut up kid
Nobody is
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWOI hate people like you
Did he pick you yet?
The internet is filled with little kids who are obsessed with trying to be the top comment and they think they can do that just by saying “First” 😂
This is the guy who said my aunt’s pizza shop, Classic Slice in Milwaukee, was terrible because they wouldn’t let them in when they were closed!!!! 😡
Those are possibly the worst types of costumers a place can get
Oh my.
@@yin-sin*customers, they didn't came in costumes (I hope). Not dissing you, btw. Modern English is indeed a pain to learn, due to it being a mishmash of different European languages.
@@gurugurumawaru7869 English is my first language and yet it’s the bane of my existence
@@yin-sinVery funny mistake
Dave is one of the good ones, you have some valid points but that place he rescored because he got thrashed was also because they changed management and changed the recipes for the worse and it was valid.
Is not the influencers fault, is the sheep that follow them
"Bleep bleep, bleepity bleep, your pizza sucks" --every critic ever on YT.
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWO get a life
0:10 "y'all know we can swear in the first minutes, right?"
So what I'm hearing is people need to stop doing things influencers say, make up their own minds, and need to be forced to show proof via receipts that they actually tried the food before they are allowed to drop a review
It makes me angry to see just how selfish people can be. They don't take into consideration that they're literally playing with people's livelihoods. The idea that your dream foodery could be demolished in a day by one person's subjective opinion is horrifying. For me, I try to keep an open mind, and remember that what the person I'm watching says about a dish, might not be the same as I would feel about it
He had unknowingly taken up sleepwalking as a nighttime hobby.
Keith Lee does keep him self anonymous and always pays for his food. He also tells people to try it for themselves and everyone's taste buds are different. He's the only food reviewer I like.
Lee isn’t the problem, it’s the people who can’t listen when he says to try it for themselves but they want to be sheep.
15:27 Letting a food reviewer run your food life; would be like letting a color blind person be you personal stylist...WHY???? Their palette will never be yours.
Nice, very nice 🤣
Ultimate power move Reviewing Reviewers.
This video was nothing but a short sided op-ed from someone with ZERO frame of reference
El Prez is the man! Funny, honest and clearly loves the Pizza Game.
Anton Ego’s been real quiet since this one dropped
He’s dead
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWO I’m gonna touch you lil bro
You made this comment a few minutes after the video dropped. I don't think the guy has had time to react.
4:37 sounds like the people who hate on a show based on the pilot or an out of context clip online
Tbf if the pilot is boring, the entire 1st season of that show is usually boring aswell to the point that it'shard yo get through the 1st season. Usually the rest of the show is decent, but you can't just start at season 2, because you need the context that season 1 gives you.
I like santi's way of doing food theory
He's done a good job of making the channel his own, while still keeping the, um, influence of MatPat's style in each video.
I am not a big fan of Dave but he helps out WAY more local spots then people realize. He is helping out way more local business then this channel 😂 so hate the guy as much as you want he does help
Why does this One Bite dude look like Mark Zuckerberg’s frat twin brother? 😂
I can’t unsee it!!
The fact I got notified for this after eating Dominoes today is actually vile timing
So real i literally eat pizza 🍕 before watching this too.
No you didn't
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikhyooo
@@Rusty84CVI did but ok
Hopefully the video convinced you to go out and buy some pizza.
3:23 A BAT CREDIT CARD???!!!!!
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWO im not joking i know where you live
I approve of this reference
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWO blud, your comments were deleted, you aint gonna win
Never leave the cave without it
Holy guacamoley batman!
He actually loved my favorite pizza place. Pica's in Upper Darby PA
bro the guy on the left at 13:50 is NOT holding a burger what are those organs 😭😭
this is why I support local 'Positive only' critics. I have a few I trust that are only looking for the best. Anything not "good" by their standards will just not be posted. "bad" locations will simply be ignored. Also all bad locations will get 6 month checkups to make sure the bad was only a one off event. This is how I found the best Wings, Burger, Pizza and BBQ in my area and how several locations are now in intense competition to be the best or just get on the list. Getting a review from these local critics are a huge boost in sales and it helps them keep that fighting spirit to be the best.
I hate all the good reviews on bad Locations two restaurants in my area sell undercooked really bad food and still have over 4 Stars on Google.
Bro said "positive only critics". That's not a critic then lol
Food Theory Idea: If one were to be stuck on a desert island for a full year and could only have one food with them for the full year, what is the objective best food to have? (Side note: water is included on the island.)
They've kind of already done this one.
They did a pizza in the Subway. Based one, That found that most of what you need can be on a veggie sub.
But it really does depend on what you count as one food
I heard avocado gives u mostly what u need ...
A red meat like beef
@@Katielovegood44mashed potatoes actually, they got all the nutrients you need and the few the potato doesn’t hav, the milk/butter does
Sweet potatoes?
“Bleep bleep…your pizza sucks” amazing quote
First 4 min
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First 200th comment
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@@The-radio-demon68ok
Yooo Alastor!
Nah, Dave has done more for the pizza community than anybody. He's great.
Dave Portnoy is a sports guy, hardly a food critic.
I live in the same town as a pizza place One Bite reviews went to, he gave it a really good rating, but since he did that now there are 2-5 hour wait times for pizza.
Influencers are one of big banes of humanity
The fact I was debating about ordering pizza and this gets uploaded 😂
@UTubeTrollPoIiceNWOis a bot
And what's crazy is that I just ate Domino's like 10 minutes ago 💀
duck theory
Sure you were
it's a sign from the universe that you should order that pizza
Dave reviews are just in fun! He has never once said he is a highend food critic. I love watching them. I love hearing about the history of the places he visits. He gives so much back to business & communities. It doesn't mean I will like the same pizza he does.
So, in the end, it's not the influencer fault. It's the mindless sheep addicted to their phones
One theory, everybody knows the Prez ain’t gonna be happy
@ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikhUnless it’s a slice with a good undercarriage not much flop and made by an 87 year old from a family chain, then he’s very happy
He's certainly happy when he can be a misogynistic bigot, that's for sure.
I will never understand how people can leave a review for a place they have never visited purely based on the opinion of someone else
I think this is reasonable. For example, if the owner of a restaurant is racist, I think it makes sense to warn others that this is the case, regardless of whether or not you have personally eaten there.
A lot of people have no life and are just bored.
@@serialclonewas just about to comment this.
Reminds me of something I was reading about where people would write reviews complaining about some food item from a restaurant when it is something the restaurant never served. Example: a review about how terrible the pizza was when it is a Chinese restaurant.
@@gangsta8929 For people that go out looking for racism, it is found around every corner. Want to end racism? Stop talking about it and stop looking for it.
David not only kept 1000s of pizza shops open during COVID but he’s brought so many dying family pizza shops who just weren’t getting any attention
Dont waste your time, homie.... this comment section is a woke cesspool
Are we not going to mention that its worthwhile for places to be correctly called out for bad service and food? Either they try to improve or they go out of business. One bite was started to help localy owned pizza places stay open.
I watched the entire video and no where did it prove or say why you should keep Dave away from your business.
He also didn't contact any of the visited pizzerias to get statements.
Nice video. Not.
Hmmm I don't really like food critics that much but they're definitely more respectable than online food critics
SOMEBODY's TOUCHIN MA SPAGHETT!!
Better then the pure brainrot today @ReinhardTristanEugenHeydrikh
14:22 As a wise uncle told me,
It's not about looks it's about FLAVOUR! HAIYAAAAAAAH!!
As someone who’s taken a planned vacation day to drive out of state to try a highly rated Portnoy pizza, it wasn’t may favorite or style. And this goes for movies as well, just bc a critic said it was bad, they don’t know your tastes, if you like similar things, try it yourself.
wow, I hope Food Theory is not getting demonized, because to quote Santi, "I see how MatPat had a hard time not being taken out of context on the food channel."
Disruption brought about by the internet has been painful to many sectors. Pizza is not immune. Adapt or d*e..
Haven't seen it yet but I'm always excited for the next food theory
This guy is the real life Anton Ego of pizza places💀💀💀😭
This guy is the real life Anton Ego of pizza places
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Look at his philanthropy. Dave is single-handedly keeping ma and pa pizza joints afloat.
so what? He destroys other business just because his feelings get hurt. Why does he need that power. Let the consumers vote with their dollars. Speaking for myself I don’t need some out of touch d-bag telling me how to think. I can form my own opinion
I’m sure Stalin helped a lot of his friends too.
@@Psychonaut165Most people don't rely on Dave portnoy for their opinion on pizza, let alone even know who he is. You are not unique with this take
@@Psychonaut165
Out of touch? D-bag? This person doesn't even know you exist...are you ok man?
@Psychonaut165 Stalin killed his friends
So he donates 40 million dollars to small business, saves countless dying restaurants during covid, but he's the bad guy because Matt Patt from fnaf said so. Ok.
Honestly I love how well Santi’s doing taking over food theory, keep up the good work!
Surprised Santi didn't mention that Dave rated Blaze Pizza 0 just because Lebron James is or was a part owner.
The vast majority of food critic influencers I’ve watched are ridiculously uninformed about food and cooking techniques. How can you trust them?
I think you would be naive if you assume old school food critics were also always fair, unbiased, and knowledgeable
1 part of this sounds like natural selection spedup, and another part of it just sounds like a kitchen nightmares effect
HE likes what kind of pizza HE likes. It's his opinion. People tell him where he should go, so he goes to try. HE is not destroying businesses by rating them poorly, some of his fans are by not taking into account their personal preferences.
If people are genuinely "influenced" by these so called influencers then im really worried about the way society is heading. Whether that be food, drink, make up, books, tv shows etc. The only 1 person you can truly trust is yourself. Everybodys tastes are different.
He's a food version of professional wrestling. You watch it for the drama, and maybe to discover a new place to try. But the ratings? Nah.
I just wanted to mention that Keith Lee does anonymous food reviews. He openly says he pays people to buy food for he and his family since he knows they are well known. He will also order it on door dash or order pick up under a different name and ask someone to go in and pick up the order for him. I don’t think it was fair to critique him on other point but not mention this.
Not only that. He never even proved the entire title of the video. Only that Dave should stay anonymous and probably eat there multiple times before scoring are the main ones. He in no way proved Dave is sinking pizza places.
Honestly this seems more like Critics in general are the problem. Influencers just chose a different type of media. This has been a problem in the food industry, music industry, and the film industry. Critics in general are the problem
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An influencer did a video about a shop near me that makes a sandwich using a pickle as the bread. That shop has lost my business and most of the locals till people stop ordering them. The sandwich isn’t that good anyway. But the line has been out the door since that video went live. They won’t even get my business back because we just switched to a different shop.
*looks over at the "critic" jury votes in Eurovision.*
Honestly this applies to any product or service if you see a negtive or postive review of something look around for other perspectives from different people soo you are more well informed
Yeah, if there’s one bad review, read it and think about that person’s perspective.
If there are a lot of good reviews and a couple bad ones …. I would look at the different reviews and see what you can take from them to make sure that they’re all real reviews first of all and that one thing isn’t because the actual customer was the problem and not the actual restaurant