The Science Behind Vocal Distortion: Will Ramos of Lorna Shore

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  • @josephkratzer2218
    @josephkratzer2218 3 місяці тому +2952

    Lorna Shore now has an R&D department

    • @astrolopitekos
      @astrolopitekos 3 місяці тому +69

      Underrated comment 😂😂😂😂

    • @Trepanation21
      @Trepanation21 3 місяці тому +7

      Hah! 😂

    • @Charlie_B.
      @Charlie_B. 3 місяці тому +17

      This comment deserves a million likes 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @vasekkosar3931
      @vasekkosar3931 3 місяці тому +10

      You just might have won the internet xDD

    • @dtb1000
      @dtb1000 3 місяці тому +20

      this sure as hell wasn't on my 2020s bingo card

  • @idrkginaf4204
    @idrkginaf4204 3 місяці тому +1201

    2 years from now: "WE REMOVED WILL RAMOS THROAT AND ANALIZED IT"

    • @kirkmccune7944
      @kirkmccune7944 3 місяці тому +27

      Ahahahahahahahaha. FOR SCIENCE!

    • @itstheazorean
      @itstheazorean 3 місяці тому +58

      analized...?

    • @sonofnone116
      @sonofnone116 2 місяці тому

      ​@itstheazorean yes. Exactly.

    • @asandstorm
      @asandstorm 2 місяці тому +18

      Hopefully analyzed, and not analized. I don't think he'd appreciate his throat being pooped through

    • @halvorson566
      @halvorson566 2 місяці тому +4

      @@asandstorm if it’s removed…..AND FOR SCIENCE……anything goes

  • @maggiepanning356
    @maggiepanning356 3 місяці тому +3146

    I think Will’s willingness to stick needles and cameras into his throat makes him more badass than his music, tats, cars, etc.!!

    • @Whoracle8531
      @Whoracle8531 3 місяці тому +278

      His name is Will, not Wont!

    • @threeofeight197
      @threeofeight197 3 місяці тому +72

      Yeah imagine letting someone stick needles in your moneymaker. Don’t slip and damage those amazing vocal nerves/muscles!!! So brave for real.

    • @DavidBrumbeloeJr
      @DavidBrumbeloeJr 3 місяці тому +3

      ✌️😎👍

    • @brokengoose9831
      @brokengoose9831 3 місяці тому +19

      don't forget nerf guns on that list

    • @alexandralugosi
      @alexandralugosi 3 місяці тому +7

      @@Whoracle8531 its this one for me 😂 100%

  • @MasterOfFudge
    @MasterOfFudge 3 місяці тому +1116

    Hearing scientists say "the moose" and "the goblin" about his screams was hilarious

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +268

      I mean, that's how Will identifies them. So on all the worksheets we put together, those were the classifications. We look forward to creating a glossary once we get more artists that have very distinct sounds with names attributed to them.

    • @sirkat344
      @sirkat344 3 місяці тому +25

      @@TheCharismaticVoice Nice! I like it. True to form, "We did something here. Ok, what's next? Onward!"- Elizabeth 🥳🤓🤔

    • @MrsSankta
      @MrsSankta 3 місяці тому +4

      @@TheCharismaticVoice if this work is published please give it a nice little reference title

    • @tylerspeiv2575
      @tylerspeiv2575 3 місяці тому +1

      More artist??? Please do go on

    • @gabrielbarreto4178
      @gabrielbarreto4178 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@TheCharismaticVoiceas a researcher myself, I'm really happy to see something like this. All of it.

  • @My.Darkling
    @My.Darkling 3 місяці тому +1834

    Will needs a t-shirt: "I got stabbed in the neck by an opera singer and all I got was this epic friendship!"

    • @Dotthedese
      @Dotthedese 3 місяці тому +44

      That would confuse everyone in public

    • @SayuriAsahina
      @SayuriAsahina 3 місяці тому +39

      @@Dotthedese That would be the best part!😆

    • @PrestigeLiquidsWW
      @PrestigeLiquidsWW 3 місяці тому +36

      It sounds more like the title of an awesome Isekai🤣

    • @LukeWeyrauch93
      @LukeWeyrauch93 3 місяці тому +1

      That’s way too long to fit on a t-shirt

    • @sarahwilliams-curto6750
      @sarahwilliams-curto6750 3 місяці тому +2

      "All I Got" In this instance seems, I don't even know the adjective...a friendship like they have developed is a rare thing, some temporary physical discomfort seems like a small price to pay....

  • @leak3690
    @leak3690 3 місяці тому +505

    The fact that his brain shut actions down as soon as they got too uncomfortable is a testament to how finely tuned Will has trained his voice to be. He was trying but he knew his limits and stopped to preserve his instrument.

    • @narcissus79
      @narcissus79 3 місяці тому +35

      it's pain avoidance.. we get the same thing on a macro level in Sports Science!

    • @crisscrossam
      @crisscrossam 3 місяці тому +16

      I'm still learning to do that honestly. I didn't think it would be as difficult as it is to just... stop. When something is uncomfortable or hurts. I thought i was doing it right but now i'm not just refining my technique with a coach but also kind of relearing to do it all over again but properly, and my coach is the one actually pushing me to stay safe and disciplined with my vocals to prevent (further) injury.
      These voxals are definitely not as easy as one might think.

  • @Eyks001
    @Eyks001 3 місяці тому +1441

    Now "To the Hellfire" plays in my head...
    "Can you feel it? These pins and needles"😁

    • @Dude_Guyman
      @Dude_Guyman 3 місяці тому +70

      If he openly weeps during that part from now on, I will understand.

    • @thomasdahl3214
      @thomasdahl3214 3 місяці тому +3

      I feel you!! I am not sure how many times I thought about it myself but it is not few😂

    • @Asher_Motionless570
      @Asher_Motionless570 3 місяці тому +1

      Genius.

    • @Susanna.Di.Stefano
      @Susanna.Di.Stefano 3 місяці тому +2

      He took this sentence personally... 🤣

    • @veganlasagna9400
      @veganlasagna9400 Місяць тому +6

      Elisabeth saw the potential when she heard this line 😂

  • @finnskellix2977
    @finnskellix2977 3 місяці тому +379

    The Reassurance at 42:02 you could see it in Wills face and eyes that it helped him relax and calm down. It's just a really sweet moment i had to point out because its important to understand that he was probably a little stressed understandably so

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +148

      Dr. Stark has an incredible way about her. I think it's also because of the rapport over the last two years of all working together that he trusts her completely.

    • @Xtino1989X
      @Xtino1989X Місяць тому +5

      I was literally about to say the same bc u really can see like a weight lifted off him as soon as she reinsured him it wouldn’t do any damage to him

    • @jessechristensen1074
      @jessechristensen1074 18 днів тому +1

      He flips the switch! Once he's told he's not hurting himself, he goes full heavy metal! No more cautious approach, no more testing the waters, no experimenting with it; just full heavy metal!

  • @clark5363
    @clark5363 3 місяці тому +1504

    Elizabeth is actually the most metal of us all- CONFIRMED

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +149

      Hahaha, I don't know about that.

    • @clark5363
      @clark5363 3 місяці тому +107

      @@TheCharismaticVoice as you're giddy with excitement about stabbing our dear william through the neck. A likely story. This could be an episode of Metalocalypse with a few lighting edits.😘

    • @threeofeight197
      @threeofeight197 3 місяці тому +28

      @@TheCharismaticVoice Will wins the most metal award for letting you do this! What a good sport. 🤘🤘🤘

    • @Dotthedese
      @Dotthedese 3 місяці тому +10

      @@TheCharismaticVoice if you want to do this with other harsh vocalists in the future I have a few suggestions. Tatiana from Jinjer could be cool because of how she is able to do such low powerful growls while being a woman. Tom barber could be cool also since he has very identifiable vocals he may have a different technique

    • @lil-link
      @lil-link 3 місяці тому +5

      @@TheCharismaticVoice Surely, your love for the "mechanics" behind the vocal techniques is beyond everyone else - much love!

  • @quintonj7221
    @quintonj7221 3 місяці тому +111

    I don’t think people really grasp the concept of how monumental this research is. This is practically the first of its kind and is huge step in both medical and musical science. What a time to be alive!

    • @kenny9748
      @kenny9748 День тому

      Yes if you do it “right”. What about what it looks like with emotion and real pressure behind it like the early 2000s

  • @Erichwanh
    @Erichwanh 3 місяці тому +1732

    Typical reactor: I will bob my head and not purchase the music
    Elizabeth: I WILL DO SCIENCE TO YOU AND WE'LL FOREVER BE FRIENDS AFTERWARD

    • @taylor_drift
      @taylor_drift 3 місяці тому +94

      Since the first video of the scope, when he stayed with Elizabeth and her husband...you could tell they were going to be life long friends...and I'm still waiting for a Lorna Shore ft Elizabeth Zharoff track...I can dream

    • @jeffk1482
      @jeffk1482 3 місяці тому +24

      @@taylor_driftI’m waiting too - even though it *might* be the genesis of a reality ripping singularity.

    • @taylor_drift
      @taylor_drift 3 місяці тому +22

      @jeffk1482 what I would love to hear is a technique switch between them...Elizabeth doing harshes and will doing operatic...or an opera duet with will still doing his harshes in place of operatic...Holy potato

    • @jeffk1482
      @jeffk1482 3 місяці тому +2

      @@taylor_drift I had the same general idea!

    • @joergojschaefer3521
      @joergojschaefer3521 3 місяці тому +11

      @@taylor_drift Phantom of the Opera!!!

  • @ms-rachel-anne
    @ms-rachel-anne 3 місяці тому +147

    Many people have pointed this out in other videos, but Will's golden retriever personality is so endearing and funny when contrasted with the type of music he makes and his personal style. He's a delight to watch and kept such a good attitude through the tests, even when it was clear he was super uncomfy.

    • @rachelhignett9473
      @rachelhignett9473 3 місяці тому +10

      He kinda reminds me of my dog. He's a Rottie with a big scary bark, but all he does is goof around and wants anyone, everyone to play stick or ball with him. He's just a big goof and couch potato.

    • @ms-rachel-anne
      @ms-rachel-anne 3 місяці тому

      @@rachelhignett9473 please deliver pets to your good boi

    • @jessechristensen1074
      @jessechristensen1074 18 днів тому +2

      I say this kindly towards not just Will but the entire metal community, but from an outside perspective with all the stories I've heard, metal artists and their fans seem so much more genuine, kind, and have that golden retriever energy when compared to literally everyone else! The artists are kinder and more grateful for their fans too which I love! They genuinely care whereas other artists from other genres are only kind on the surface and in the moment they often show their true colors. In the moment with metal artists, they are genuinely kind and care for others well-being. So it's not that Will is just special, it's the entire community that's special to me. He's a great representative of the community.

  • @TacticalPecans
    @TacticalPecans 3 місяці тому +708

    Never in my life did I expect to see metal vocalizations become a scientific pursuit like this. I'm completely enthralled by the concept of "primal" vocalization and what we might be able to learn about screaming through biological and evolutionary perspectives. I'm also eager to peer into the throats of other metal vocalists to see how they contort and engage their muscles and the impact it has on their sound and vocal capabilities. Amazing work Will, Elizabeth, and the entire UofU team!

    • @ckiemnstr345
      @ckiemnstr345 3 місяці тому +25

      I would love to see inside Randy Blythe's vocal tract. He's been doing it as long or longer than most so it would be interesting to see what his vocal tract looks like now.

    • @KornyRock
      @KornyRock 3 місяці тому +6

      Well I can say one thing. I've seen a lot of laryngoscopys and most vocalist do not contort their throat in the way will does, even when producing very similar sounds.
      There's a lot of naivety in the way this is handled in my personal opinion. I hope we do see more of these though.

    • @rennac9666
      @rennac9666 3 місяці тому +27

      @@KornyRock Idk man calling it naive is pretty insane considering the people involved with this study. I'm sure they know what they're doing and have probably seen more laryngoscopys than either of us.

    • @KornyRock
      @KornyRock 3 місяці тому +2

      @@rennac9666 I'm not hating, it's just they use terms like vocal fry to describe the screams, which you can see in this video even that vocal fry plays 0 part in a fry scream. I'm unsure of the credentials of those involved and the study is also not yet complete. You also have to consider this this is just one video, and it is possible for people not to tell the entire truth or spin things a certain way.

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +73

      If you're suggesting that Dr. Ingo Titze does not have the credentials necessary to assess or comment on what was occurring during these tests, I would highly reconsider researching who he is.

  • @aydrazx
    @aydrazx 3 місяці тому +310

    If they do with Alex Terrible they'll found out there's a portal of hell in his throat.

  • @2Young2FeelThisOld
    @2Young2FeelThisOld 3 місяці тому +1152

    Not one bit surprised that Will tested his clean singing with a Sleep Token song 😂

    • @attila0323
      @attila0323 3 місяці тому +112

      When I was at that part: "of course it has to be a Sleep Token song".

    • @Kelly30stm
      @Kelly30stm 3 місяці тому +24

      Not surprised at all!

    • @CapitalMforMotivated
      @CapitalMforMotivated 3 місяці тому +70

      Was such an endearing moment. I was laughing thinking aww it's his comfort blanket

    • @crisscrossam
      @crisscrossam 3 місяці тому +34

      I hope Vessel & co watch this video

    • @The_flightless_bird
      @The_flightless_bird 3 місяці тому +3

      Same lolol

  • @joshfayne3591
    @joshfayne3591 3 місяці тому +135

    I have to say as someone who has been listening to this kind of music for 20+ years and being told by friends, family or anyone who finds out I listen to this music say "oh the screamers? There is no talent. It's just noise." Seeing people taking the time, energy and resources to put science behind primal vocals. Yes I'm using that now lol. It brought me so much joy I was tearing up. I can't wait for this to be in a written research document. This is so great. I hope you convince more vocalists to take part in this research like Dani Filth, Alex Terrible, Kyle from Brand of Sacrifice and Bryan Garris from Knocked Loose. Angela Gossow wrote theory articles about how she did her growls but it musty focused on how she used her diaphragm. So it is exciting that we are doing the theory about how to us your vocal chords, tongue and head space added on to how we know how to use breath control, posture and diaphragm. I'm so excited for this. Like I said I have been listening to this type of music for 20+ years and it makes me so happy that science is now backing what my ears and heart have been hearing.

    • @Mandingy24
      @Mandingy24 Місяць тому +3

      Top picks for me would be Alex Terrible, Tom Barber, Jonny Davy from Job For A Cowboy, and Vicky Psarakis

    • @joshfayne3591
      @joshfayne3591 Місяць тому +2

      @@Mandingy24 I couldn't agree more. Phil Bozeman from Whitechapel too. Chaney from Entheos. Hell yeah.

  • @niclasvestman
    @niclasvestman 3 місяці тому +488

    Huge respect to Will Ramos for volunteering and making himself available for research. Really taking a big one for the team and helping furthering the science on vocal function. So a sincere thanks to you mr Ramos🙏. You rock 😎🤘... Obviously! 😆👍

  • @Panda_Biscuits
    @Panda_Biscuits 3 місяці тому +184

    1. This was absolutely amazing!
    2. I am not a vocalist, but have a neurological disorder that has caused me to lose my speech. I wish I had the ability to do this for science.
    3. I'm 38 and lost my ability to speak 4 years ago........I won't lie I teared up in the end when Will said, "You only have one voice, once you lose it it's gone."
    4. Will and Elizabeth was the collab we didn't know we needed!

    • @rnbsteenstar
      @rnbsteenstar 3 місяці тому +5

      Oh my lord! I am sorry to hear that. What is the name of the disorder if that is not too much?

    • @davidramirezrodriguez3373
      @davidramirezrodriguez3373 3 місяці тому +2

      Why no heart here?

    • @Panda_Biscuits
      @Panda_Biscuits 3 місяці тому +6

      @@rnbsteenstar I'm happy to answer questions about it. It's called Autoimmune Encephalitis, but because of my loss of speech and other functions my doctors also believe that I have Lambert-Eaton Myasthenic Syndrome

    • @rnbsteenstar
      @rnbsteenstar 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Panda_Biscuits OH my good God! Is there any knowledge out there about what causes those horrible things?

    • @Panda_Biscuits
      @Panda_Biscuits 3 місяці тому +7

      @@rnbsteenstar There is some knowledge out there but not a ton. I am hopeful that science will gain a better understanding after learning more about long covid because the mechanism of long covid and the type of Autoimmune Encephalitis I have are very similar. As of right now it is mostly chalked up to bad luck and genetics. The plus side is that they don't necessarily have to have an extremely thorough understanding of what causes it in order to treat it. I have been receiving regular treatments for the past year and a half and it has improved my quality of life significantly and I am extremely grateful for that!

  • @vvuorinen3
    @vvuorinen3 3 місяці тому +500

    That MRI scan would make a great album cover

  • @TheMidgardViking
    @TheMidgardViking 3 місяці тому +199

    I think all the doctors, Elizabeth, and Kirk should now go to a Lorna Shore concert together and film their reactions. I would love to see them rock out for science!

  • @dizzysic66
    @dizzysic66 3 місяці тому +386

    "... Can you feel it? These pins and needles..."
    Into the Hellfire lyrics manifested this 😅

  • @DTredecim
    @DTredecim 3 місяці тому +70

    "Primal Vocalization" is the most metal thing I've ever heard.

  • @user-scott-pearce
    @user-scott-pearce 3 місяці тому +550

    I can just imagine Will after the procedure: “You know what these needles look sick, leave them in”

    • @l0.0kcryoxoc35
      @l0.0kcryoxoc35 3 місяці тому +36

      lol i even read that in Wills voice!!! lol🤣🤣

    • @Peron1-MC
      @Peron1-MC 3 місяці тому +5

      or cool tattoo of the wires :)

  • @mattdangerg
    @mattdangerg 3 місяці тому +60

    As both a death metal vocalist and a neurophysiologist, this is pure gold! Incredible!

  • @Beamer1969
    @Beamer1969 3 місяці тому +190

    His music is not something i typically listen to, but the talent required and the dedication needed to allow the science to be done impresses me.

    • @attila0323
      @attila0323 3 місяці тому +9

      I started to listen Lorna Shore like half a year from now, and still the only deathcore band that I'm listening to...but I listen to them almost every day. I just love Will's vocals and the melody of the songs.

    • @Achrila
      @Achrila 3 місяці тому

      @@attila0323 Deathcore*

    • @attila0323
      @attila0323 3 місяці тому

      @@Achrila I remembered this morning I might wrote the wrong genre, thank you! I'll edit it. Actually I listen a lot of metalcore. :)

  • @bndncn
    @bndncn 3 місяці тому +49

    This is so fucking sick dude.
    edit: the part with the needles was horrific but also fascinating. Huge props to Will for going through it for SCIENCE.

  • @melomaniac334
    @melomaniac334 3 місяці тому +186

    Will subjecting himself to needles while being filmed FOR SCIENCE is the MOST METAL THING EVER!! 🤘🏻🔥
    What a fascinating study! Will has given us all such a gift in offering up his unique talents for study. Allowing vocal experts in-depth insight into his distinctive vocal techniques in this extreme way will permit so many people to learn from him for years to come. Watching this actually made me uncomfortable for Will - I didn’t realize he would have pain with the needles in his muscles. I’m truly in awe of his ability to work through that and make the vocalizations anyway.
    Thank you, Elizabeth, for recognizing the interest in this to the public and making this video available to all of us, that we might learn from this valuable research and also be entertained by this hilarious man!

    • @jacobsternig3580
      @jacobsternig3580 3 місяці тому +1

      Technically he is more metal than almost all vocalist. How many vocalist have actual metal in their vocal muscles when they scream. Will Ramos does!!! 😝

  • @ACardFan
    @ACardFan 3 місяці тому +12

    “Will’s response is: ‘I don’t know if I can do that, but I’ll try.’ And he does it to perfection!”
    What an awesome and humble dude.

  • @jwr6796
    @jwr6796 3 місяці тому +165

    Can you imagine every tea time interview ending with, "can I stick needles in your throat?" and now we've finally got the one that said yes?

    • @xxpoisonblxx
      @xxpoisonblxx 3 місяці тому +23

      I mean, Will's been all-in on the science since he crossed paths with Elizabeth. I really hope they've been able to consistently drag others into the pipeline for it. As amazing as the data Will's contributed has been, there's a *lot* to be learned from comparing and contrasting with others. If the only example of a building you ever saw was the leaning tower of Pisa, you might never realize that it was an anomaly. With Will being the baseline, more data's needed to find out if his techniques/methods/ability are consistent examples or anomalies. His eagerness to help find that out, and just general tendency to be an awesome person *are* a bit of an anomaly themselves, so it's hard to tell.

    • @JeffSparrow87
      @JeffSparrow87 3 місяці тому

      About that. I have not seen a tea time video for a while. Is there some works in the making?

  • @psypsy751
    @psypsy751 3 місяці тому +30

    This continuous collaboration with Will is one of the best crossovers in the history of UA-cam.

  • @valeriadibenedetto6622
    @valeriadibenedetto6622 3 місяці тому +123

    As a PhD student in Experimental Medicine and a metalhead, this is THE BEST VIDEO EVER! It was so amazing and interesting, you made history! Metal AF! Thank you for sharing all this, from a scientific point of view it is extremely interesting and my mind right now is literally exploding! Will you really are a unicorn and Elizabeth you are metal af! 🤘❤
    Love from Italy!

  • @SayuriAsahina
    @SayuriAsahina 3 місяці тому +19

    This should be on PBS as a NOVA special. Amazing work from everyone - thank you so much for taking us on this journey!

  • @Photonkannon
    @Photonkannon 3 місяці тому +86

    This will go down in history as the most extensive deep dive into screams.
    Thanks for making our passion more than just a bunch of outcasts making noise.
    You all are awesome. Thank you!

    • @treble8921
      @treble8921 3 місяці тому +5

      I hope not!
      I hope this is only the start of a new wave of science. 😊

  • @jacksplague3050
    @jacksplague3050 3 місяці тому +28

    This research is actually invaluable. Understanding the vocal tract to the degree of depth that the data from these tests have provided could help so many people. This could help vocalists mitigate the risk of hurting themselves through scientifically backed coaching, provide insight for more advanced vocal reconstructive surgeries for people with vocal cord disorders, and possibly even be a stepping stone towards vocal modification surgeries that allow people to change aspects of their vocal range in the distant future.

  • @attila0323
    @attila0323 3 місяці тому +78

    This video came out on Will's 30th birthday is probably not a coincidence. What a legend!

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +40

      Total coincidence, and a great one at that. We're presenting the first manuscript written off the data from these tests today (June 1st) and his birthday was the Friday before that presentation - so it all aligned!

    • @thelonewolf7443
      @thelonewolf7443 3 місяці тому +3

      Funny someone mentioned that, Will Ramos was born May 31st, 1994
      I actually was born on June 1st, 1994
      Easily my favorite Deathcore vocalist + his cleans in singing is so beautiful. Love the content, it was really fun & learning this. Kinda like a modern version of a Bill Nye the Science Guy episode!

  • @TheRealTomLauda
    @TheRealTomLauda 3 місяці тому +17

    Will is a freaking legend, period. Being willing to go through these uncomfortable procedures, for science, is soooo freaking cool ! You're both legends, now !

  • @sephiroth3776
    @sephiroth3776 3 місяці тому +514

    I love that you are besties with Will Ramos now.

    • @TakeAHikeMike
      @TakeAHikeMike 3 місяці тому +34

      Rumor has it their actually siblings.

    • @AydınErkan-r4s
      @AydınErkan-r4s 3 місяці тому +5

      I don't think they are cause,will has hispanic roots while Elisabeth has slavic as i know

    • @TheGoobingGoose
      @TheGoobingGoose 3 місяці тому +5

      @@TakeAHikeMike no cause will is 100% Puerto rican:)

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +198

      We might be siblings.

    • @TheGoobingGoose
      @TheGoobingGoose 3 місяці тому +3

      @@TheCharismaticVoice WHAT!?

  • @redlinedexperience3154
    @redlinedexperience3154 3 місяці тому +10

    Will is such a trooper. He has gone above and beyond what, I believe, most people, let alone performing artists, would go through for the sake of science.

  • @EvaMetalhankle
    @EvaMetalhankle 3 місяці тому +232

    How to make every person go through the credits: Will doing what he does best.

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +48

      Our video editors spent a little time on those credits. I'm glad that time didn't go to waste!

    • @Nefville
      @Nefville 3 місяці тому +10

      His vocals in the credits are insane. He must have gone through just about every scream he has. I've been listening to metal for 25 years and that is probably the most metal thing I've ever heard.

    • @ethanbrinkman3401
      @ethanbrinkman3401 3 місяці тому +3

      I can never not listen to a chelsea grin song...please try and do a tom barber vocal analysis

    • @dodi-wankenobi
      @dodi-wankenobi 3 місяці тому +1

      This was fr the glaced premium über-cherry on top!

  • @michaelhorney1126
    @michaelhorney1126 3 місяці тому +28

    Will. You made history brother. For all us fellow screamer vocalist out there. I appreciate you

  • @threeofeight197
    @threeofeight197 3 місяці тому +112

    It’s so metal of him to let y’all do this to him! I’m a 90s metalhead but I’ll have to check this dude out!!! 🤘🤘🤘

    • @tehgurl
      @tehgurl 3 місяці тому +7

      He's so fawking talented.

    • @jasonnielsen5976
      @jasonnielsen5976 3 місяці тому +20

      Can I recommend The Pain Remains Trilogy as a good starting point. There's a significant argument for To The Hellfire, and it wouldn't be a bad place to start, but The Pain Remains is an emotional masterpiece.

  • @daniellealongi6084
    @daniellealongi6084 3 місяці тому +24

    I love Will and Lorna Shore. As a metal head I’m so glad metal vocalists are getting the credit they deserve. This kind of stuff takes talent and I love that Will is getting recognized for that and putting metal vocalists on the map. Happy birthday Will!

  • @manondereeper
    @manondereeper 3 місяці тому +53

    This is like a full on documentary! Fantastic work. Thank you so much for taking all of us on this journey, and thanks to Will for going through this FOR SCIENCE. I was definitely cringing when he was so clearly uncomfortable with the needles in his neck. Kudos. This was so interesting!

    • @Patterner
      @Patterner 3 місяці тому +7

      it is definitely a documentary and it deserves prizes

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +8

      Thank you, Manon!!!

  • @AfloatFob
    @AfloatFob 2 місяці тому +11

    Will singing Sleep Token even with a camera down his throat is hilarious.

  • @sirkat344
    @sirkat344 3 місяці тому +115

    This is why I support this channel via Patreon. I've seen no other creator put so much into his/her/their channel and passions. Will is a real trouper- going into a myriad of tests like this. I am serious when I think this should get on PBS nationwide. Where do I start to make it happen? Incredibly well done and fascinating as can be. Bravo to ALL who were a part of this production. Well worth it.

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +13

      Thank you, Andrew. Truly. Your support is what makes things like this happen!

    • @sirkat344
      @sirkat344 3 місяці тому +1

      @@TheCharismaticVoice Most Welcome! I mean every word of it. 🥰 No one educates their audience like TCV.

  • @roganselph7812
    @roganselph7812 3 місяці тому +16

    Words can't describe how dope the term "Primal Vocals" is. Sounds way cooler than "harsh vocals" imo.

  • @yasinmuzak3717
    @yasinmuzak3717 3 місяці тому +109

    Hell yes!!!! I really hope you get to do this with more vocalists!

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +127

      We're planning to do 10 more!

    • @SpudsMcGruber3817
      @SpudsMcGruber3817 3 місяці тому +26

      @@TheCharismaticVoice I’d be so keen to see Courtney Laplante’s vocals, if she is willing to of course

    • @straygoat4366
      @straygoat4366 3 місяці тому +1

      @@TheCharismaticVoice 😲

    • @kevos823
      @kevos823 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@TheCharismaticVoiceI'm guessing Phil Freeman is going next?

    • @SCHROTTI_06
      @SCHROTTI_06 3 місяці тому +7

      Dickie allen would be awesome for this.

  • @Duncan_Idaho_Potato
    @Duncan_Idaho_Potato 2 місяці тому +9

    I rewatched this again for the first time in a while and noticed Will's hat in the vocal booth during the "acoustic analysis" section. It says, "Cat Dad". As if there weren't enough reasons to love this guy already. Now I want to know about his cats.

    • @DrummerDann95
      @DrummerDann95 2 дні тому

      He for sure loves his cats. He did an interview with nic nocturnal and says the first thing he does in the morning is Pat his cats for like half an hour aha, Will is the best dude

  • @sw_elian
    @sw_elian 3 місяці тому +40

    Happy birthday to this incredible man and vocalist Will Ramos, and thank you soo much for this video Elizabeth!

  • @NicholasB40
    @NicholasB40 3 місяці тому +8

    This was beyond groundbreaking. I am so speechless and I can’t wait to see the data and the findings that come from it. Thank you so much for doing this.

  • @sludgyp3196
    @sludgyp3196 3 місяці тому +89

    Hi Elizabeth!
    Have you ever considered a tea time interview with Melissa Cross? She has worked with many different well known vocalist from the metal scene. Also she is the one who originally made up the terms "fry" and "false cord screaming" so it would be really interesting.

    • @Trepanation21
      @Trepanation21 3 місяці тому +11

      That is a brilliant idea for what could be a brilliant conversation. Melissa Cross has made so many contributions to the metal scene, it would be wonderful to see her shared with such an interested audience!

    • @Monixa7
      @Monixa7 3 місяці тому +2

      so amazing idea. i hope it will be happenin' 🙏🙏🙏 fingers crossed

    • @gregarcher8177
      @gregarcher8177 2 місяці тому

      I bought the zen of screaming by Melissa Cross it was interesting but I never practiced. Would love to see her involved.

  • @acools07
    @acools07 3 місяці тому +60

    LOL, "I was worried about the needles," said the man with an incredible number of tatoos😂

    • @NumaNoom149
      @NumaNoom149 3 місяці тому +10

      Tattoos are so much more different, plus they don’t go as deep. I’m not a fan of needles either, but a tattoo is a totally different experience.

    • @acools07
      @acools07 3 місяці тому +3

      @NumaNoom149 I totally understand it, but at the moment, I found it humorous. If I were him, I would be concerned if there were a risk, it could do some nerve or muscle dammage and change the voice.

  • @Nitryl44
    @Nitryl44 3 місяці тому +56

    Some haters love to spit on reaction channels without understanding what these channels bring to us.
    Again, Elizabeth is the proof that we can learn a lot about music, and how sounds are produced by humans !
    Thanks for all of theses interviews, researches, and explanations Elizabeth !

    • @attila0323
      @attila0323 3 місяці тому +5

      Elizabeth's channel is the first reaction channel that I started to follow, she can explain stuff very well.

    • @folik213
      @folik213 3 місяці тому

      ​@attila0323 So far I have only found 2 that I like. Elizabeth's, and Kardavox Academy's

    • @KornyRock
      @KornyRock 3 місяці тому

      We already knew how these sounds were made for the most part. It's been available knowledge for almost 10 years.

    • @sirkat344
      @sirkat344 3 місяці тому

      Indeed! Spot on response.

    • @Verulen22
      @Verulen22 3 місяці тому

      ​@@folik213check out the Fairy voice mother, she is another reactor that goes deep in explanation and went on to meet and work with beatboxers. 90% of reactors are just nobodies that make idiotic faces, but the good ones are great.

  • @GoatGodBaal
    @GoatGodBaal 3 місяці тому +5

    Props to Will for wanting to do this extensive of a study. He's gonna be studied for years in the vocalization field for years to come. That really makes me smile because he deserves to be remembered. Thank you Elizabeth for this amazing video! I hope to see more videos of you and Will together

  • @TheGoobingGoose
    @TheGoobingGoose 3 місяці тому +192

    Will is definitely one of my favorite people in the entire world!! He’s the human version of a golden retriever puppy!!!

  • @endar2401
    @endar2401 3 місяці тому +5

    FANTASTIC sequel. This is awesome to be witnessing. Thank you so much to all involved. Hope to see more research and science, and the papers that come out of this.

  • @yuriyuriyuriyuri5002
    @yuriyuriyuriyuri5002 3 місяці тому +49

    I think vocal pedagogy's focus on only the function of the folds themselves has always been very very short-sighted. The folds don't make you sound like you, they aren't the be-all-end-all, and these videos are actually breaking people's common assumptions finally. I love this so much

    • @KornyRock
      @KornyRock 3 місяці тому +2

      Its been known for a while that the false folds, arytenoids, areyeppiglottic folds and other cartilage and tissues affect your sound and are used in screams

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +16

      Yes @KornyRock, but very little research has been done on those structures. Tools and instrumentation is now becoming sufficient enough to start doing this type of research, but getting highly qualified individuals like Will has been very difficult.

    • @KornyRock
      @KornyRock 3 місяці тому +5

      @TheCharismaticVoice I'd love to see this with more extreme vocalists, there's a lot of people with a very interesting sound, it would be interesting to see your take on how the actual mechanisms of each scream differs from what you've seen here.

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +30

      I agree 100%. The next phase which we'll reveal in the next couple months will be with 5-10 more artists, some of which do vocalizations similar to Will, and some that do very different distortions. We want a full catalogue across the board.

    • @Bobbias
      @Bobbias 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@TheCharismaticVoicethank you for this project, that's wonderful news.

  • @kelliw5571
    @kelliw5571 Місяць тому +8

    Will is definitely a trooper. I don’t think the majority of vocalists would do this. He’s such a good dude.

  • @Robert_Herring
    @Robert_Herring 3 місяці тому +26

    Elizabeth, you have made such a difference today (again). Thank you to you, Kirk, and the entire team of specialists. Will Ramos, you are a legend. Proud to be a Patron of both of y'all.

  • @haaaylay
    @haaaylay 3 місяці тому +35

    This was literally the coolest thing ever. Will is inexplicably talented. Like those layers to those screams 🤯🤯🤯

  • @lespaul36
    @lespaul36 3 місяці тому +10

    Bro down for science, I love it. This is the dude that many say I don't want around my kid, and I am like I need more Wills in my kids' lives. Experience has been that harsh vocalist and really heavy musicians have been some of the best people I ever met.

  • @thomasdahl3214
    @thomasdahl3214 3 місяці тому +37

    It tells me so much about Will when he are so interested in finding out and learning more about his voice. I really just hope you guys don’t push it to far so he get injured and somethings changes in his throat. We can not afford that!
    However, the last video you made going down the throat so we all could learn how his voice and sounds is being created was in my head award winning. I have no idea how many people I sent that video to. So I am really looking forward to this one. My birthday is on saturday so I see this video coming up as your birthday present to me. So THANK YOU so much! It was def. on my wishing list.
    I love your channel, Elizabeth, and Thank you for showing the world what a loveable person both you and Will are❤

    • @kirkmccune7944
      @kirkmccune7944 3 місяці тому +26

      All of these tests are being performed by the top vocal research team in the world. We would never put Will or any artist in harms way.

    • @dragontears4me989
      @dragontears4me989 3 місяці тому +5

      100% not worried. These are top medical pros

  • @eljw247
    @eljw247 3 місяці тому +8

    Will seems like a great guy & is certainly a consummate professional in all his visits to this channel but this goes above & beyond. Fantastic job by Will, the doctors and Elizabeth in putting this all together. Thank you all.

  • @TheFlagnard2
    @TheFlagnard2 3 місяці тому +40

    It's so excited to be witnessing a new topic of scientific exploration. Thank you for seeking out this new understanding of harsh vocals and sharing it with the world!
    Also, "the demon" himself wearing a "Cat Dad" hat killed me.

    • @paulriddle7818
      @paulriddle7818 3 місяці тому +6

      He loves his furballs.

    • @TheCharismaticVoice
      @TheCharismaticVoice  3 місяці тому +12

      He missed his cats the entire trip. It's so endearing!

    • @Kelly30stm
      @Kelly30stm 3 місяці тому +1

      @@TheCharismaticVoice Dusti and Bobbi are the cutest! I love all cats too. ♥️

  • @RibombeeTeacher
    @RibombeeTeacher 3 місяці тому +4

    This was an incredible watch. I'm glad you guys were able to get this research done. Thanks Will and co for putting this all together

  • @shanesmith6124
    @shanesmith6124 3 місяці тому +19

    I’m so excited for this. Thank you for sharing not only your love and passion for music, but also the hard work to push our collective understanding of the voice and music further.

  • @RoCrown
    @RoCrown 3 місяці тому +4

    This was so incredibly cool. Will is an absolute trooper. It was really awesome to see all the science behind what he does and I really enjoyed seeing the doctors and researchers get excited about it too.

  • @boogietowngaming3707
    @boogietowngaming3707 3 місяці тому +19

    As someone who has been practicing harsh vocals for almost 2 years now this is so helpful to people like me so we can see the mechanics and learn to use it all or isolate it. Thank you awesome people for this! You’re all the best.

  • @metalmikenz
    @metalmikenz 3 місяці тому +8

    What an absolute champion Will. Good on you for going through all the anxiety and discomfort. What a gem of a person. Will be really interesting to see what comes of this research, especially as the MRI models are put together!

  • @baelorn519
    @baelorn519 3 місяці тому +16

    I cannot express how cool it has been to watch this channel evolve to doing actual science to help understand how some people, like Will Ramos, can do the amazing things they do

  • @MaxGalofre
    @MaxGalofre 2 місяці тому +2

    I can't believe what I just watched. This was the most incredible project I've seen in a UA-cam video. The fact that the extraordinary talents of a metal singer were not only acknowledged but also cherished to the point of wanting to study them was already light years ahead of anything I would've expected as this type of music and singing are usually not valued at all outside of their fanbase. Then, on top of that, some remarkable science was done with it and I learned SO MUCH. Can't thank everyone involved enough. Will is a wild talent. This has blown my mind.

  • @S99-h4m
    @S99-h4m 3 місяці тому +45

    TRAVIS👏🏻RYAN👏🏻OF👏🏻CATTLE👏🏻DECAP👏🏻NEED👏🏻TO👏🏻DO👏🏻THIS👏🏻HES👏🏻THE👏🏻BEST!!! He even does this sound where it sounds like two different voices AT ONCE!!!

    • @GabiBrooks
      @GabiBrooks 3 місяці тому +1

      Polyphonic singing?

    • @codename495
      @codename495 3 місяці тому +2

      Overtones or Polyphonic singing?

    • @Kelly30stm
      @Kelly30stm 3 місяці тому +2

      Are we nominating people? Can we add Tom Barber to the list? I'd love to see Elizabeth react to Tom too.

    • @lil_brightsides
      @lil_brightsides Місяць тому +1

      @@Kelly30stmid love to see that

  • @lesanimaux4416
    @lesanimaux4416 2 місяці тому +2

    I can't believe that the "we put a camera down his throat" video is TWO YEARS OLD already! I've been following Lorna Shore closely ever since I've seen your teatime interview with Will and I got a glimpse of his golden retriever personality (I mean, he got SO EXCITED over literal tea and it was so adorable to watch). LS is one of the few bands I bought merch from - I've got a pastel pink t-shirt with their logo which honestly says all you need to know about Lorna Shore.
    I really appreciate the science behind the voice and also ahem hem hem we're still waiting for that deathcore/opera collab don't think we've forgotten about that!

  • @Hoganply
    @Hoganply 3 місяці тому +17

    This was extremely fascinating, and excellently produced. Kudos to everybody, seriously.
    (Elizabeth's big sisterly concern and support for Will was adorable, btw.)

  • @kassiopiajudkins2722
    @kassiopiajudkins2722 3 місяці тому +3

    Damn, Will is a trooper! His willingness to put himself through these procedures, despite how uncomfortable some of them were, is truly appreciated.

  • @Heavymetalthunda3
    @Heavymetalthunda3 3 місяці тому +41

    I remember when they did the first video, the doctor made a joke about sticking a needle in his throat and he giggled and said he would never. Something about the fact that he ended up doing it makes me laugh, although it doesn’t surprise me at all 😂

  • @jacobsobelman3923
    @jacobsobelman3923 3 місяці тому +6

    Will “If my mom saw this she’d be so concerned” Ramos

  • @ohaiijessiee
    @ohaiijessiee 3 місяці тому +23

    Will is so incredibly talented, but also so brave for having needles poked in his throat. What a bad ass!

  • @BrotherOrca
    @BrotherOrca 3 місяці тому +2

    Every second of this video was absolutely fascinating. Thank you guys so much! I’m sure this took a ton of time and effort. Just know we appreciate it and we’re dying for more!

  • @martinboso9819
    @martinboso9819 3 місяці тому +17

    Congrats to Elizabeth for coordinating this, really interesting and well done. Really well structured and edited, feels like it is a video science paper. Super interesting and well accomplished for everyone, fascinating stuff from Will and the Utah scientists.

  • @dalatina911
    @dalatina911 3 місяці тому +4

    YO! The closing credits with the Lorna Shore playing and the doctors just took me OUT. Love everything about this video!! Thank you Elizabeth and WILL!! You guys are awesome, so proud that this was done here in Utah ❤

    • @bluecrystalcandles2845
      @bluecrystalcandles2845 3 місяці тому +1

      Will was doing a cover of a different band called Chelsea Grin in the credits. (Same genre though. Lorna Shore's first singer is currently in Chelsea Grin.)

    • @dalatina911
      @dalatina911 3 місяці тому

      @@bluecrystalcandles2845 oh wow really? Thank you for letting me know that! I’m fairly new to this genre of music, so I’m still trying to explore new bands! Will was the one who got me into it, then I found Slaughter to Prevail! I’ll check out Chelsea Grin, thank you!!

  • @myrkrinu
    @myrkrinu 3 місяці тому +13

    Only Elizabeth could come up with actual dissection of harsh vocals 😁
    Congratulations to everyone involved, especially to Will for being so brave.
    It was certainly a huge day for science.
    Thank you for sharing that beautiful research with us, it was extraordinary!

  • @valeriea5854
    @valeriea5854 3 місяці тому +5

    I love how Elizabeth saw him and immediately was like “I’m gonna do science experiments on him”

  • @ZeepDr
    @ZeepDr 3 місяці тому +23

    If this results in a journal publication, we would love to know!!

    • @kirkmccune7944
      @kirkmccune7944 3 місяці тому +8

      5. There are 5 manuscripts being written on the data, with another 2 possibles. First manuscript comes out in 2 weeks on the acoustical analysis.

    • @ZeepDr
      @ZeepDr 3 місяці тому +3

      @@kirkmccune7944 ...this was said in the video huh? Gosh I wish I could retain 100% of the information I consume lol. But good to know! Thanks for the reply! I'll see if I can access that journal through my library.

  • @digibirder
    @digibirder 3 місяці тому +9

    Great admiration for Will Ramos on going through all this with such a great attitude. You will go down in history for what you've helped to do here. Well deserved! Total respect to you sir. With great friends like Elizabeth, Kirk you can't go wrong! The Charismatic Voice combines real analysis with music reactions to make a whole new kind of content. Welcome to the leading edge!

  • @kevos823
    @kevos823 3 місяці тому +8

    Thank you to Will, Elizabeth, Kirk and everyone else involved in making this happen. Will is the most metal of metal!

  • @larrycaseboltjr9498
    @larrycaseboltjr9498 3 місяці тому +4

    Ten years later...The Human Voice, The Most Complex Musical Instrument Ever!

  • @jimwiesenauer6380
    @jimwiesenauer6380 3 місяці тому +10

    I was so sorry that I couldn't participate in this live. I had a work meeting that started at 11 AM EDT and went for 90 minutes. Ugh! I did watch the whole performance start to finish and I am just mesmerized! All of the participants were amazing! The skill level of everyone, Will, E!, the Doctors/researchers, and all of the staff was so much more comprehensive than a well-oiled machine. I am certain that once all of the findings are published; it will be groundbreaking and many will get the benefits of this study. Well done E! This once again shows why you are THE BEST at what you do. Thank you for sharing your talent with all of us!

  • @Shivan003
    @Shivan003 3 місяці тому +3

    Thank you Elizabeth, and especially Will, for this peak content! You two are an amazing duo with how much excitement and joy you bring to every interaction, you can't help but love you both!

  • @laurieemme1534
    @laurieemme1534 3 місяці тому +33

    I am so looking forward to this! Thank you, Will, Elizabeth and the whole team for your willingness & passion to further vocal research. Also, Elizabeth has mentioned how music lights up so many areas of the brain. Now, when I hear a song I love, I'll imagine my brain lighting up like a Christmas tree, lol. Maybe you can show some brain scans in a future project!

    • @K0ticQueen7693
      @K0ticQueen7693 3 місяці тому +1

      Brain scans of Will when he listens to Sleep Token 😂

    • @laurieemme1534
      @laurieemme1534 3 місяці тому +1

      @@K0ticQueen7693 Yes! Let's see that dopamine rush! 😄

  • @andrewsalyer5340
    @andrewsalyer5340 3 місяці тому +6

    It always makes my heart happy seeing will and elizabeth just being friends. Good people with a common passion.

  • @LakeVermilionDreams
    @LakeVermilionDreams 3 місяці тому +13

    I'm so glad the scientists get more camera time and focus this time around!! STEM is sexy, and those scientists are heroes!! Thank you, Elizabeth!

  • @goof-qk3yj
    @goof-qk3yj 2 місяці тому +2

    Will is a legend for this and sticking through!

  • @Onitsutube
    @Onitsutube 3 місяці тому +7

    the fact that You are doing this research alone is phenomenal, but sharing the process and results with us here on UA-cam and all the scientists is absolutely amazing... good job all of You 😊👍

  • @stupidmonkey3866
    @stupidmonkey3866 3 місяці тому +2

    This was AMAZING. All around, the science and medicine, the vocalists both performing and assisting, the researchers, interviews, videography, enthusiasm, care. Just all of it is so good.
    I cant wait to see what these incredibly talented people do with the results and hopefully further research from other artists seeing and assisting in the process.

  • @StevenTyree-sl2nx
    @StevenTyree-sl2nx 3 місяці тому +54

    This will be good. I sincerely hope the outro music will be Thomas Dolby's hit, "She Blinded Me with Science".

    • @kirkmccune7944
      @kirkmccune7944 3 місяці тому +8

      That’s our analysis for Monday!

  • @TriciaStewart84
    @TriciaStewart84 3 місяці тому +5

    Dude, Will’s making history left and right! He’s the first harsh vocalist to do that. People are going to be studying his vocals for years to come. That’s amazing! Will really is phenomenal!

  • @BeebZ_SqueeZ
    @BeebZ_SqueeZ 3 місяці тому +21

    Of course a Sleep Token song would make its way into a Will video 😂 happy birthday will! Great video Elizabeth and gang 🎉

  • @cavebeastdemon3631
    @cavebeastdemon3631 3 місяці тому +5

    Thanks to Will for doing this and Elizabeth for setting it up. More knowledge is ALWAYS better!

  • @tjafsan
    @tjafsan 3 місяці тому +13

    I gotta say Amanda's way of explaining the different tests are outstanding! So easily to understand for a complete novice ❤