I like it, the books take a series of slices out of the history of the universe and just as you are dropped in blind save for what humanity remembers of its past, you are left blind save for what humanity might predict of its future. If all the answers were given where would be the fun in theorising?
@@BaoNguyen-bh2rk yes in sure he could have gone on and on but we'd still be left wondering what might come later regardless of if he finished book 7 or book 20
His son and that other guy didn't help. Making the unknown enemy into machines from the Jihad and retconning the time of thinking machines to literally being AI overlords was a bad call.
@@MrJinxmaster1 I somewhat agree. Anything is better than a sequel dump from his son. Chapterhouse seemed as good a time to end it as anywhere. The Honored Matres were merged with the Bene Gesserit and the Atreides bloodline as well the rebirthed ghola were safely aboard the no-ship to act as insurance if it didn't work out. I think the sand worm was onboard as well though I might be misremembering. Luv and Peace.
Wasn't this the reason that Leto II sacrificed himself as a person and good name to become a tyrant to cleanse humanity of prescience? I think Herbert then really wrote Leto II as more then a hero like Plato described in the Republic, one that is willing to sacrifice his heroic (possible) status and do everything to safe humanity, also through harsh means.
@@aprilyount7713yes but Leto could see into the Golden Path and knew what was coming, even 2000 years before it happened. Hence why he knew the only way to stay on the path was to sacrifice himself for humanity. Dune is absolutely insane
I sometimes wonder how much of the Golden Path Leto has seen. He knew what it cost and that it would result in salvation of human race, but all that happened like planned way before Omnius and Erasmus returned. Did Leto foresee that, or was his vision over before that? Was the return of the machines part of Golden Path, or just the result? Considering how Leto was the one that started it, and how Leto II contributed to it, did either of them know that the same path that led to salvation of humanity, would also bring humanity extremely close to complete extinction? The future had No-ships, so presumably neither Leto knew about what was going to happen, but they were directly responsible for the history that happened up to that point. It's pretty interesting to think that unknowingly their prescience resulted in this sort of cyclical history of destruction and salvation, where under Leto II humanity was suppressed and regressed in evolution, only to explode across the universe upon his death, only to then be hunted down first by their descendants on form of Honored Matres, then by the forgotten Greatest Enemy, the thinking Machines. Of course, in the end this resulted in the unification of all life, machine and biological, but it raises a question whether the cycle could repeat. Omnius was banished to another universe by Oracle of Time, also one of the first extremely important figures of history, but in theory, in far future unified mechanised humanity could find a way to access these new universes, and release Omnius once again, or maybe even the others, non-unified humans could return from edges of the universe after the Scattering, and fight against unified human machine race, similar to how Honored Matres returned and fought against old empire. And in general, it's pretty weird how throughout the history of Dune, it was generally the same forces struggling against each other. At first it was humanity, with wars against each other in ancient history, then it was humanity versus machines, the after Jihad, it was humanity versus humanity once again, but this time with addition of melange and prescience, the it was humanity versus machines again, with both sides having form of prescience, and in the end it all culminated with characters from like 14000 years ago resurrecting and fighting each other. In every situation, it was essentially humanity creating it's own destruction and salvation, but only temporarily, with every outcome resulting in another struggle. It's like life itself is doomed to eternally struggle against itself.
@@johna.zoidberg3049 sort of, but in this case I'd say it's more of a Halo situation. With glassing of the planets, resetting humanity, and primordial beings also becoming the final villains, one could draw more than a few parallels between Dune and Halo.
@@japhethk.4016 Maybe they need to man up and be more like Duncan Idaho...mental and psychological weaklings were meant to be simps, slaves and followers...some of them like it, and stay that way...others don't like it, and break free of their mental slavery...nobody can enslave a truly strong mind, and free thinker
It was intriguing to see the mindset of these Honored Matre. They were power hungry hedonists with appetites that bordered on the surreal and inhumane. It was like female versions of the Baron Harkonnen, but FAR more intense.
@@Robert_Douglass I think Jessica was the precursor of the Honored Matres - she disobeyed and broke the most sacred BG orders and covenants, thirsting for power and reverence
@@koko40800 Your statement doesn't exactly cancel my argument. It rather supports it, as a precursor crimes before and gives rise to the genuine article. Alia was the daughter of Jessica Harkonnen, after all, even if she was also the daughter of Duke Leto Atreides.
True...but if Alia was the first Honored Matre, Jessica was the Original Mother (Superior) of the Honored Matres by giving birth to her....and she did it through an act of deep treachery, not only betraying her daughter but one of the most sacred BG covenants...every BG was warned drinking the Water of Life during pregnancy would lead to abomination, and madness in the child....and perhaps Jessica also did it through genetic memory she was unaware of, because the Water of Life only gave her female memories, of previous Reverend Mothers...but no memory on the father's side...perhaps it was her treacherous Harkonnen genes from the Baron's side...so I would suggest that Baron Harkonnen not only took over the psyche of Alia, but unknowingly in Jessica as well
@@koko40800 I wouldn't say that Jessica's father, the Baron Harkonnen, took over her mind from the memories within her, because Jessica was not pre-born, but Alia was. It is more likely that her pre-born nature as well as being the sister of the Kwisatz Haderach (with access to the same powers) produced just the combination of genetic heritage and Bene Gesserit training that allowed Alia to gain access to the male Other Memory and give the memory of the Baron licence to take over her mind. He was the only one strong enough to silence the voices of Other Memory.
The Honored Matres represent an aspect of the Monomyth theory that I like to call "The Lilith Parable". Compare and contrast them with The Romulans from Star Trek, the Drow from D&D (Spider Queen), The Mord-Sith from Sword of Truth, The Force-Witches of Dathomir from Star Wars, The Drukhari Wyches from 40k and many more. The idyllic "elfin" faction always seems to have a dark secret that returns with a vengeance in the form of matriarchal sadists. When you recognize these patterns, you can see it playing out again and again.
The Witches of Dathomir don't fit the pattern. In Star Wars, it would be the Sith who would fit the pattern except they aren't matriarchal. Also while I don't know that much about Romulans, I also don't remember them being matriarchal.
Let’s keep it funny. This Monomyth stuff isn’t a hard science. It doesn’t have to be 1-for-1. It’s been decades since I read “The Courtship of Princess Leia”, but here’s what Wookieepedia says about the Witches of Dathomir... “But when Allya assumed leadership of the population, events were set in motion that would lead to the development of a unique Human culture on Dathomir, founded on the enslavement of the male population to Force-sensitive female warriors” ... and that sounds pretty spot-on for Honored Matre clones (metaphorical clones, of course), particularly the Nightsisters faction of them. Siân Phillips played both Reverend Mother Mohiam of the Bene Gesserit and Charal of the Force Witches in Dune (1984) and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (1985) respectively. This witch character actually predates the invention of Dathomir and she was later retconned into a Nightsister. Mara Jade is practically Murbella from Chapterhouse: Dune too. (At this point, it may be easier just to list the stuff that Star Wars didn’t lift from Dune.) Also, in the old Star Trek episode “The Enterprise Incident” Mr Spock is tempted by a seductive Romulan Commander played by Joanne Linville. This is the first episode to feature a female starship captain; which is somewhat interesting, since Starfleet only allowed male captains to helm their ships at this time. (Seriously.) In the Voyager episode “The Q and the Grey”, Q off-handedly mentions that he could’ve mated with the Romulan Empress, although this is never really explored. Caithlin Dar (The Final Frontier), Valeris (The Undiscovered Country), Narissa (Picard), Tasha Yar’s Half-Romulan daughter Sela (TNG) and Commander Toreth (TNG) also come to mind. Deanna Troi also impersonates a Tal Shiar officer in one episode of TNG, at least implying that Romulan culture is no stranger to women in power. There’s a lot more of this stuff in the Rihansu/Romulan Way books although I have not read them (yet). On that note, Elnor (Picard) is space Drizzt, in that same intangible way that Riddick (Pitch Black) is also space Drizzt.
@@wasserperson It does play off the Jungian Psycology angle quite a bit, but I bet neither of them envisioned our world of endless sequels, spin-offs, knock-offs and "re-imaginings" for "modern audiences".
Its crazy to think that if the Dune movies spiral far enough we get to Jason Momoa being the main character, My hope beyond hope is after the third movie we will get the rest of the series as a long form tv show.
This explains a lot, including why Lato did as he did. I think he knew the machines would never be truely defeated or go away, and nore would humanity. If the bloodshed and mechanical destruction alike where to stop, new routes would have to be found. Ideas the empire would never allow. So by destroying the empire, events like these could happen.
filmcomicsexplained is one of my favourite channels for the vast amount of subjects he covers in detail but if you enjoy long-form Dune content I would also recommend Quinn's Ideas. He has hours of Dune videos in his catalogue.
Ah yes, the War between the Space Nuns and the Space Dominatrixes. And the first step to reuniting the BG and HM was a BDSM session where the top became a bottom and the bottom became a top. Over and over again…
@@BlackMarvel25yes and no. No in the sense that they aren’t religious. Yes in the sense they did have a group called the Missionary Protectiva, whose job it was to spread tales and myths and prophesy as means to control the masses. Also, their breeding program was meant to create a powerful being who could see all pasts from male and female linages, and see all possible futures, with the hope of using that power to lead humanity. A messiah-like figure.
And nuns have a reputation as some of the most sadistic...at least judging from the scare stories I heard from my mother, and others who went to some of the older, stricter Catholic schools ;-)
To be clear in the original books, we don't know who the enemy they're fleeing from. It's Herberts son who finished the series, and gave us the AI machines.
To be clear, if Herbert's son used his father's notes to finish the story, then the identity of "the enemy" is not up for debate by intellectually honest people. You can argue about the quality of the writing in the sequels but, that has nothing to do with canonicity or Frank's original intentions. Proponents of the "super facedancer" theory ignore two major points: A. The machine empire always had human slaves. Facedancers being among their scout forces isn't a huge leap. B. Leto II being afraid of face dancers creates a massive plot hole and makes Paul/Leto II look like massive idiots. Paul could've exterminated the Bene Tleilax at the end of the first book.
@@similaritiesendhere To be clear these notes are said to have totalled 1.5 pages of writing, hardly an in depth or final vision for the novel. F.H would have likely changed a great deal from this early outline by the time he finished a 7th book and B.H likely deviated and elaborated greatly. Besides, these notes are unpublished and unverified. For all we know they could have been far less or limited only to covering only a narrow part of what a 7th book would be such as just the philosophy or themes. You are assuming that the enemy that B.H chose was also chosen by F.H based on 0 evidence. Claiming that a dead author had 100% decided on a plot point that he never finished or even fully drafted is not intellectually honest and unless F.H commented on it publicly and directly it is absolutely up to debate unless one has access to privelaged information and can PROVE it.
@@MrJinxmaster1 To be clear, the foreshadowing for AI being the greatest threat starts in the very first book. Also, the most dangerous thing about Daniel and Marty was their inexplicably advanced technology. This entire debate is actual fanfiction believers pretending they knew Frank better than his own son and that's sad on several levels. You probably weren't even born when Brian Herbert read Dune for the first time.
@@similaritiesendhere 100% agree, just finished the 8th book and the last two are pretty solid, just written a bit differently, the only problem I had with the final two is the reliance on abilities explored in the previous series as major plot devices. Feels like they were kind of using them as a crutch to move the story and felt a bit forced. The random interjections of prequel books is a bit jarring but people need to give them more props for those books.
@@ljbeats00 Epic series like Dune, GoT, etc run the risk of branching out too far for the author to easily reel it back in for an actual conclusion. LoTR starts wrapping up in the second novel. Most of the characters are introduced by then and you know the stakes. Meanwhile, the Dune series is still getting more convoluted by book 6. I read all of the "extended universe" books almost like a Cliff's Notes version of what Frank Herbert would've written. It satisfies my curiosity for an ending. Frank would've done a better job telling the same overall tale but, it would've taken him decades.
It would be good to make clear somehow when you're using information from the original 6 books or from the posthumous sequels/prequels written by his son.
Imagine if a parallel universe like this actually did exist and when our reverse opposites from this universe came to our world, they decided they hated our ways and wanted to be hostel toward us and attempt to make earth like theirs by any means possible, (silmilar to Zod in Man of Steel and the virus alien in the Invasion 2006 film).
I was never into Dune, and now in my 40's for the first time I watched the movies and suddenly i find myself diving into the vast universe of Dune...Seems like im going to have to start reading the books
This one caught me off guard with how serious it was, but still had a Star Wars tone. Dave Batista is great as the villain. Damn movie even made me go out and buy a couple of the books 📚
don't buy anything written beyond Chapterhouse Dune, its the last test written by Frank Herbert. Brain Herbert and Kevin J Anderson dont count, infact they retconned Daniel and Marty to be AI instead of the face dancers Frank Herbert intended them to be.
Had Brian Herbert ever envisioned the Dune saga past the end of his trilogy? Or did the synthesis of Duncan Idaho and Omnius into a techno-Kwisatz Haderach constitute the definitive end of the Dune cycle?
Please do a video on Ibrahim Von Holtzman. He is one of the biggest reasons that the world is the way it is at this point, and his story is a movie all in itself.
I think it should be highlighted when it's not Frank Herbert lore but instead by other authors. This is not a crusade against fan fiction or parallel universes within a certain fiction, but I find this video to not highlight enough that this is taken from his son's fan fiction.
I am not a fan of seeing Frank Herbert's work mixed in with the works of Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. The subsequent works feel like weaker fan fiction and retconn far too many plot points that were better to just be left as background mysteries.
Hmm , I didn't get that at all . The great enemy were Face Dancers the great fear of Honored Matres . That's who they were fleeing . Duncan Idaho fleeing in that no ship for countless years had that vision of old couple who almost found them were Face Dancers
I play Drukhari, and yes, yes they really do. So does the rest of 40k... And, look up the old "Nemesis the Warlock" comic for more of where it came from. (Blood Angels Space Marines come from a "Secundus" named planet, just like the Sardaukar. I play them too, and the blood-letting ritual thing in the movie was spot on.)
A day will come when these beautiful women of Dune will get their story told, not just from reading the book 📖 but through screen time 🎬🍿🍿 What a great movie full of Action ⚔️ and Love🫂💕 it will be
Ahhhhh yes.....The Honored Matress.....pretty sure thats what my roomate called his bed in college. Matress, matre(y). Potatress, potatre. Either of those are fine I guess, as long as I never again have to suffer through hearing them called Maters......like taters......or Cars if you're into that. Chachow!
Like other AI generated content, it won’t be long before everyone can recognize it and be tired of seeing it everywhere. It’s also ethically and legally gray as it is creating derived works without any credit or permission from the originating artists.
I've been a huge fan of Dune for 25 years, but I'm sad to say I've never read any book past The God Emperor. I have been afraid it would get lost and convoluted. Are they worth reading?
Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune are worth reading, but keep in mind that Frank Herbert was actively dying at the time and I really got the feeling that he was racing the clock when he wrote them. There was one more book planned, but he never got that far. The prequels and sequels were written largely by his son, and it's just not the same.
The Honored Matres remind me of the Sith; dark offshot of a original group, lust for power and conquest, treacherous and genocidal. And those pictures are beautiful.
People who turn their noses up at the books written by Brian Herbert and Keven Anderson do not know the stories of what happened to Duncan after he fled Chapter House, they also lack the prelude to Dune books, written by Brian and Keven. Brian and Keven used notes written by Frank Herbert on the future books and story lines. They deserve a read by true Dune fans.
@@sawtooth808 If bordem is the price of peace - it's a price worth paying for. Compared to say all the worlds enslaved or destroyed by the Twisted Sisters, followed again by the Thinking Machines - that all came after...the bordem.
I'm loving all the Honored Matre hand deformations; only true Dune fans would remember to include that detail.
The A.I. messed them up. It's canon.
This is what starts the Butlerian Jihad.
lol
They missed the colorful garments, these all dress in black.
@@filmcomicsexplained 🤷♂️
And I thought the MENTATS were weird, but DUNE is crazy like that.
Just wait til you read up on the Tleilaxu...
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@@shoulderpyrothey are even crazier!! 😂
Axiotl tanks
It's unfortunate that Herbert passed before he could flesh out the Futars and how they related to the Honored Matres.
I like it, the books take a series of slices out of the history of the universe and just as you are dropped in blind save for what humanity remembers of its past, you are left blind save for what humanity might predict of its future. If all the answers were given where would be the fun in theorising?
@@MrJinxmaster1 Herbert always introduced elements that gets expounded on in the next Dune novel. Chapter House was no different.
@@BaoNguyen-bh2rk yes in sure he could have gone on and on but we'd still be left wondering what might come later regardless of if he finished book 7 or book 20
His son and that other guy didn't help. Making the unknown enemy into machines from the Jihad and retconning the time of thinking machines to literally being AI overlords was a bad call.
@@MrJinxmaster1 I somewhat agree. Anything is better than a sequel dump from his son.
Chapterhouse seemed as good a time to end it as anywhere.
The Honored Matres were merged with the Bene Gesserit and the Atreides bloodline as well the rebirthed ghola were safely aboard the no-ship to act as insurance if it didn't work out. I think the sand worm was onboard as well though I might be misremembering.
Luv and Peace.
Wasn't this the reason that Leto II sacrificed himself as a person and good name to become a tyrant to cleanse humanity of prescience? I think Herbert then really wrote Leto II as more then a hero like Plato described in the Republic, one that is willing to sacrifice his heroic (possible) status and do everything to safe humanity, also through harsh means.
I thought he bred the No gene and caused the acattering to make all of humanity impossible to find via prescience
I though this guy said the beginning of all the two witchy teams lol started 2000 years after his sons death?
@@aprilyount7713yes but Leto could see into the Golden Path and knew what was coming, even 2000 years before it happened. Hence why he knew the only way to stay on the path was to sacrifice himself for humanity. Dune is absolutely insane
In part yes, however that’s only people with Siona Atreides’s gene. But it was also to break humanity out of stagnation
I sometimes wonder how much of the Golden Path Leto has seen. He knew what it cost and that it would result in salvation of human race, but all that happened like planned way before Omnius and Erasmus returned. Did Leto foresee that, or was his vision over before that? Was the return of the machines part of Golden Path, or just the result? Considering how Leto was the one that started it, and how Leto II contributed to it, did either of them know that the same path that led to salvation of humanity, would also bring humanity extremely close to complete extinction? The future had No-ships, so presumably neither Leto knew about what was going to happen, but they were directly responsible for the history that happened up to that point. It's pretty interesting to think that unknowingly their prescience resulted in this sort of cyclical history of destruction and salvation, where under Leto II humanity was suppressed and regressed in evolution, only to explode across the universe upon his death, only to then be hunted down first by their descendants on form of Honored Matres, then by the forgotten Greatest Enemy, the thinking Machines. Of course, in the end this resulted in the unification of all life, machine and biological, but it raises a question whether the cycle could repeat. Omnius was banished to another universe by Oracle of Time, also one of the first extremely important figures of history, but in theory, in far future unified mechanised humanity could find a way to access these new universes, and release Omnius once again, or maybe even the others, non-unified humans could return from edges of the universe after the Scattering, and fight against unified human machine race, similar to how Honored Matres returned and fought against old empire. And in general, it's pretty weird how throughout the history of Dune, it was generally the same forces struggling against each other. At first it was humanity, with wars against each other in ancient history, then it was humanity versus machines, the after Jihad, it was humanity versus humanity once again, but this time with addition of melange and prescience, the it was humanity versus machines again, with both sides having form of prescience, and in the end it all culminated with characters from like 14000 years ago resurrecting and fighting each other. In every situation, it was essentially humanity creating it's own destruction and salvation, but only temporarily, with every outcome resulting in another struggle. It's like life itself is doomed to eternally struggle against itself.
Basically Mass Effect but better.
@@johna.zoidberg3049 sort of, but in this case I'd say it's more of a Halo situation. With glassing of the planets, resetting humanity, and primordial beings also becoming the final villains, one could draw more than a few parallels between Dune and Halo.
The Honored Matres mastered the the technique of Simp conversion, scary...
And against a dudes will …
Literally what modern women are doing to men
@@japhethk.4016 Maybe they need to man up and be more like Duncan Idaho...mental and psychological weaklings were meant to be simps, slaves and followers...some of them like it, and stay that way...others don't like it, and break free of their mental slavery...nobody can enslave a truly strong mind, and free thinker
@@japhethk.4016 sucks to be easily manipulated.
Yall are so lame omg
It was intriguing to see the mindset of these Honored Matre. They were power hungry hedonists with appetites that bordered on the surreal and inhumane. It was like female versions of the Baron Harkonnen, but FAR more intense.
Could it then be postulated that St. Alia of the Knife was the first Honored Matre?
@@Robert_Douglass I think Jessica was the precursor of the Honored Matres - she disobeyed and broke the most sacred BG orders and covenants, thirsting for power and reverence
@@koko40800 Your statement doesn't exactly cancel my argument. It rather supports it, as a precursor crimes before and gives rise to the genuine article. Alia was the daughter of Jessica Harkonnen, after all, even if she was also the daughter of Duke Leto Atreides.
True...but if Alia was the first Honored Matre, Jessica was the Original Mother (Superior) of the Honored Matres by giving birth to her....and she did it through an act of deep treachery, not only betraying her daughter but one of the most sacred BG covenants...every BG was warned drinking the Water of Life during pregnancy would lead to abomination, and madness in the child....and perhaps Jessica also did it through genetic memory she was unaware of, because the Water of Life only gave her female memories, of previous Reverend Mothers...but no memory on the father's side...perhaps it was her treacherous Harkonnen genes from the Baron's side...so I would suggest that Baron Harkonnen not only took over the psyche of Alia, but unknowingly in Jessica as well
@@koko40800 I wouldn't say that Jessica's father, the Baron Harkonnen, took over her mind from the memories within her, because Jessica was not pre-born, but Alia was. It is more likely that her pre-born nature as well as being the sister of the Kwisatz Haderach (with access to the same powers) produced just the combination of genetic heritage and Bene Gesserit training that allowed Alia to gain access to the male Other Memory and give the memory of the Baron licence to take over her mind. He was the only one strong enough to silence the voices of Other Memory.
This is fascinating and horrifying at the same time.
Thank you for sharing!
The Honored Matres represent an aspect of the Monomyth theory that I like to call "The Lilith Parable".
Compare and contrast them with The Romulans from Star Trek, the Drow from D&D (Spider Queen), The Mord-Sith from Sword of Truth, The Force-Witches of Dathomir from Star Wars, The Drukhari Wyches from 40k and many more.
The idyllic "elfin" faction always seems to have a dark secret that returns with a vengeance in the form of matriarchal sadists. When you recognize these patterns, you can see it playing out again and again.
The Witches of Dathomir don't fit the pattern.
In Star Wars, it would be the Sith who would fit the pattern except they aren't matriarchal.
Also while I don't know that much about Romulans, I also don't remember them being matriarchal.
Let’s keep it funny. This Monomyth stuff isn’t a hard science. It doesn’t have to be 1-for-1.
It’s been decades since I read “The Courtship of Princess Leia”, but here’s what Wookieepedia says about the Witches of Dathomir...
“But when Allya assumed leadership of the population, events were set in motion that would lead to the development of a unique Human culture on Dathomir, founded on the enslavement of the male population to Force-sensitive female warriors”
... and that sounds pretty spot-on for Honored Matre clones (metaphorical clones, of course), particularly the Nightsisters faction of them.
Siân Phillips played both Reverend Mother Mohiam of the Bene Gesserit and Charal of the Force Witches in Dune (1984) and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (1985) respectively. This witch character actually predates the invention of Dathomir and she was later retconned into a Nightsister.
Mara Jade is practically Murbella from Chapterhouse: Dune too. (At this point, it may be easier just to list the stuff that Star Wars didn’t lift from Dune.)
Also, in the old Star Trek episode “The Enterprise Incident” Mr Spock is tempted by a seductive Romulan Commander played by Joanne Linville. This is the first episode to feature a female starship captain; which is somewhat interesting, since Starfleet only allowed male captains to helm their ships at this time. (Seriously.)
In the Voyager episode “The Q and the Grey”, Q off-handedly mentions that he could’ve mated with the Romulan Empress, although this is never really explored.
Caithlin Dar (The Final Frontier), Valeris (The Undiscovered Country), Narissa (Picard), Tasha Yar’s Half-Romulan daughter Sela (TNG) and Commander Toreth (TNG) also come to mind. Deanna Troi also impersonates a Tal Shiar officer in one episode of TNG, at least implying that Romulan culture is no stranger to women in power.
There’s a lot more of this stuff in the Rihansu/Romulan Way books although I have not read them (yet).
On that note, Elnor (Picard) is space Drizzt, in that same intangible way that Riddick (Pitch Black) is also space Drizzt.
@@thomriley1036ftfy: "this monomyth stuff isn't science"
I mean, it's just Campbell's multiverse fanfic
@@wasserperson It does play off the Jungian Psycology angle quite a bit, but I bet neither of them envisioned our world of endless sequels, spin-offs, knock-offs and "re-imaginings" for "modern audiences".
@@thomriley1036 Mmmm, Jung was also doing fanfic, not anything involving whadayacall rigor, falsifiability, replicability.
Its crazy to think that if the Dune movies spiral far enough we get to Jason Momoa being the main character, My hope beyond hope is after the third movie we will get the rest of the series as a long form tv show.
At the very least Children of Dune should be in Theaters, God Emperor of Dune on HBO Max with James McAvey doing the voice of “Old Worm” Leto II
Please do Miles Teg, the next generation of atreides prescience. Awakened by an advanced torture device just as Paul was.
I've always wanted to see him play *Risk* with Grand Admiral Thrawn and listen to their back-and-forth.
Yes, more DUNE content, please!
Not to diminish the narrative - its awesome. But the art work! My goodness its wonderful!
It probably took several minutes of hard work tweaking the ai prompt just right.
Heretically awesome art.
Yes!❤
This explains a lot, including why Lato did as he did. I think he knew the machines would never be truely defeated or go away, and nore would humanity. If the bloodshed and mechanical destruction alike where to stop, new routes would have to be found. Ideas the empire would never allow. So by destroying the empire, events like these could happen.
Yay more Dune, we always need more Dune
How about an in-depth study on the Holtzmann Shield?
Does anyone ever wonder what would happen if a Lightsaber struck a Holtzman Shield?
More Dune lore and it’s almost 30 minutes?! Sold!!!
Lets gooo!
@@filmcomicsexplained i absolutely love all your vids man especially the dune ones
filmcomicsexplained is one of my favourite channels for the vast amount of subjects he covers in detail but if you enjoy long-form Dune content I would also recommend Quinn's Ideas. He has hours of Dune videos in his catalogue.
Yeah this channel is absolutely god tier just like dune is!!!
Ah yes, the War between the Space Nuns and the Space Dominatrixes.
And the first step to reuniting the BG and HM was a BDSM session where the top became a bottom and the bottom became a top. Over and over again…
Bene geserit are not nuns. Lol.
@@BlackMarvel25yes and no. No in the sense that they aren’t religious. Yes in the sense they did have a group called the Missionary Protectiva, whose job it was to spread tales and myths and prophesy as means to control the masses. Also, their breeding program was meant to create a powerful being who could see all pasts from male and female linages, and see all possible futures, with the hope of using that power to lead humanity. A messiah-like figure.
@JunkPhuJP yea that's true becayse they did it on arakis with the fremen which caused all of this now. Self fulfilling prophecy pretty much.
And nuns have a reputation as some of the most sadistic...at least judging from the scare stories I heard from my mother, and others who went to some of the older, stricter Catholic schools ;-)
Another perfect Dune video analysis love your channel.
Much appreciated!
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To be clear in the original books, we don't know who the enemy they're fleeing from.
It's Herberts son who finished the series, and gave us the AI machines.
To be clear, if Herbert's son used his father's notes to finish the story, then the identity of "the enemy" is not up for debate by intellectually honest people. You can argue about the quality of the writing in the sequels but, that has nothing to do with canonicity or Frank's original intentions.
Proponents of the "super facedancer" theory ignore two major points:
A. The machine empire always had human slaves. Facedancers being among their scout forces isn't a huge leap.
B. Leto II being afraid of face dancers creates a massive plot hole and makes Paul/Leto II look like massive idiots. Paul could've exterminated the Bene Tleilax at the end of the first book.
@@similaritiesendhere To be clear these notes are said to have totalled 1.5 pages of writing, hardly an in depth or final vision for the novel. F.H would have likely changed a great deal from this early outline by the time he finished a 7th book and B.H likely deviated and elaborated greatly.
Besides, these notes are unpublished and unverified. For all we know they could have been far less or limited only to covering only a narrow part of what a 7th book would be such as just the philosophy or themes. You are assuming that the enemy that B.H chose was also chosen by F.H based on 0 evidence.
Claiming that a dead author had 100% decided on a plot point that he never finished or even fully drafted is not intellectually honest and unless F.H commented on it publicly and directly it is absolutely up to debate unless one has access to privelaged information and can PROVE it.
@@MrJinxmaster1 To be clear, the foreshadowing for AI being the greatest threat starts in the very first book. Also, the most dangerous thing about Daniel and Marty was their inexplicably advanced technology.
This entire debate is actual fanfiction believers pretending they knew Frank better than his own son and that's sad on several levels. You probably weren't even born when Brian Herbert read Dune for the first time.
@@similaritiesendhere 100% agree, just finished the 8th book and the last two are pretty solid, just written a bit differently, the only problem I had with the final two is the reliance on abilities explored in the previous series as major plot devices. Feels like they were kind of using them as a crutch to move the story and felt a bit forced. The random interjections of prequel books is a bit jarring but people need to give them more props for those books.
@@ljbeats00 Epic series like Dune, GoT, etc run the risk of branching out too far for the author to easily reel it back in for an actual conclusion. LoTR starts wrapping up in the second novel. Most of the characters are introduced by then and you know the stakes. Meanwhile, the Dune series is still getting more convoluted by book 6.
I read all of the "extended universe" books almost like a Cliff's Notes version of what Frank Herbert would've written. It satisfies my curiosity for an ending. Frank would've done a better job telling the same overall tale but, it would've taken him decades.
My dude you are the best narrator ever,hands down!
If only 1/25th of all of youtube could be this well developed, illustrated and entertaining.
Recent subscriber here. This is dope, so much info, great content. I see u have more Dune videos, i will check them out.
Welcome aboard!
Another video dune I’m excited. Thanks for the videos always a great watch.
More to come!
It would be good to make clear somehow when you're using information from the original 6 books or from the posthumous sequels/prequels written by his son.
Imagine if a parallel universe like this actually did exist and when our reverse opposites from this universe came to our world, they decided they hated our ways and wanted to be hostel toward us and attempt to make earth like theirs by any means possible, (silmilar to Zod in Man of Steel and the virus alien in the Invasion 2006 film).
If they were our complete opposites... they'd come in peace.
@@EndoScorpion this comment works for me as I was confused at first over them bringing us low cost group lodgings. let them bring hostels!
I’m a simple man, I see dune and I click
Do The Ancient Enemy from The Phantoms.
You should do the Alien cultists in the new game Dark Descent, since you like aliens so much
Adding it to the list!
@@filmcomicsexplained good add, there's alot of new stuff in the game that hasn't been shown before , that was the first thing I could think of
I was never into Dune, and now in my 40's for the first time I watched the movies and suddenly i find myself diving into the vast universe of Dune...Seems like im going to have to start reading the books
You should cover the 1996 game Harvester.
Adding it to the list!
My favorite character after Duncan Idaho is Miles Teg, the Supreme Bashar.
Love the video can you do Panam Palmer,Meredith Stout,Rogue and Judy Alvarez from Cyberpunk 2077
Adding it to the list! Thanks
I think it may have been fun to date an Honored Matre.
damn this art is driving me wild, dark hair is my type
Would love to see your guys’s take on Duncan Idaho
This one caught me off guard with how serious it was, but still had a Star Wars tone. Dave Batista is great as the villain. Damn movie even made me go out and buy a couple of the books 📚
More Dune lore that I know nothing about?
Bless me FCE
don't buy anything written beyond Chapterhouse Dune, its the last test written by Frank Herbert. Brain Herbert and Kevin J Anderson dont count, infact they retconned Daniel and Marty to be AI instead of the face dancers Frank Herbert intended them to be.
I’m curious how you know what he wanted more than his son did?
Are you using that stable diffusion? The art goes hand in hand with the script 👌🏽.
And as always, love the dune content.
MORE DUNE LORE
Hypeeee
Absolute banger vid my guy loved it
Very awesome - many thanks! Great AI art too - prompt skillz!
Had Brian Herbert ever envisioned the Dune saga past the end of his trilogy? Or did the synthesis of Duncan Idaho and Omnius into a techno-Kwisatz Haderach constitute the definitive end of the Dune cycle?
Hey great video as always where do you find the Art work? It’s amazing
Please do a video on Ibrahim Von Holtzman. He is one of the biggest reasons that the world is the way it is at this point, and his story is a movie all in itself.
Duncan Idaho has the most bizarre character arch of all by far, in a story where multiple people merge with giant sandstorms.
I can't get over Leto II turning into a big ol' sandworm lol
I think it should be highlighted when it's not Frank Herbert lore but instead by other authors.
This is not a crusade against fan fiction or parallel universes within a certain fiction, but I find this video to not highlight enough that this is taken from his son's fan fiction.
A fair point but those of us who know, know. :)
Lol at his son fan fiction the guy lived his entire life and worshiped his fathers books i think he knows more than you
I am not a fan of seeing Frank Herbert's work mixed in with the works of Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson.
The subsequent works feel like weaker fan fiction and retconn far too many plot points that were better to just be left as background mysteries.
Same question where did the artwork come from and who is the artist it’s beautiful I like it
Thanks Niat!
So this is where the Sith came from...
Don't get me started... Just compare Jabba to The God Emperor and realize the Han was smuggling Spice for him. (Monomyth, bla bla bla...)
I’d love to see you do a video for The High Evolutionary from Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
very nice thumbnail where's the lamb sauce?
Hmm , I didn't get that at all . The great enemy were Face Dancers the great fear of Honored Matres . That's who they were fleeing . Duncan Idaho fleeing in that no ship for countless years had that vision of old couple who almost found them were Face Dancers
Do one on the Bashar Miles Teg, my favourite.
Can you do the ttrpg Kult? It's the matrix before the matrix mixed with Hellraiser and of course Gnosticism.
Maybe u can check Significant Other? Is a horror sci-fi movie with themes of space, individuality and pain.
Adding it to the list!
Any idea on where he found the various artwork for this video? Some of it would make excellent wallpapers.
its AI Gen.
They just spice things up...
That's all.. 🤔😏
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Yeah...
You get the point...
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I guess this is the inspiration for the sith in star wars
They share some similarities with the Druchii from warhammer 40k, don't they?
I play Drukhari, and yes, yes they really do. So does the rest of 40k...
And, look up the old "Nemesis the Warlock" comic for more of where it came from.
(Blood Angels Space Marines come from a "Secundus" named planet, just like the Sardaukar. I play them too, and the blood-letting ritual thing in the movie was spot on.)
Dune is almost like a 40k prequil... almost...
A day will come when these beautiful women of Dune will get their story told, not just from reading the book 📖 but through screen time 🎬🍿🍿
What a great movie full of Action ⚔️ and Love🫂💕 it will be
Is there a book about this?? It's so cool it sounds like my RimWorld playthroughs
Woo more dune content.
Ahhhhh yes.....The Honored Matress.....pretty sure thats what my roomate called his bed in college. Matress, matre(y). Potatress, potatre. Either of those are fine I guess, as long as I never again have to suffer through hearing them called Maters......like taters......or Cars if you're into that. Chachow!
Matron. The one in charge …
Who did the art for this? Very good!!!❤😊
Question: where do you find all the awesome artwork for this stuff?
We made it using AI!
@@filmcomicsexplained Soooo....the Thinking-Machine-Enemy-Skynet-Empire?
TRAITOR!!!!
jklol
@@filmcomicsexplained The irony!
Is the AI artwork available for download?
Like other AI generated content, it won’t be long before everyone can recognize it and be tired of seeing it everywhere. It’s also ethically and legally gray as it is creating derived works without any credit or permission from the originating artists.
The dune universe is so good holy sheet
Good video, but I have to ask, where did you find these images. This is some of the most hauntingly beautiful science fiction art I have ever seen.
I think it’s ai generated
nefarious next please
I'd really like to watch a show or movie series with the full tale of the Duncan.
Which one of all of the Gholas?
They made a biopic about him (in the Duniverse), title was 'Pimp Daddy of the Imperium'
Do Outlander.
I've been a huge fan of Dune for 25 years, but I'm sad to say I've never read any book past The God Emperor. I have been afraid it would get lost and convoluted. Are they worth reading?
Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune are worth reading, but keep in mind that Frank Herbert was actively dying at the time and I really got the feeling that he was racing the clock when he wrote them. There was one more book planned, but he never got that far.
The prequels and sequels were written largely by his son, and it's just not the same.
In my opinion yes . I love the chess game between the sisters and the matres 😁 So many ups and downs as they fight ant try to outsmart each other .
Niyat could you cover 2022s "Bones and All"?
It’s a shame no one will step up and do a tv series of all the Dune books like the GOT series, obviously without D & D 😂
Hey, don't forget everything GREAT about GoT ALSO came from D&D!
Looking forward to what they do with "The 3-Body Problem"... 🤔
There was supposed to be a Sisterhood of Dune TV series on HBO Max…however production of that turned into a 💩show.
The Honored Matres remind me of the Sith; dark offshot of a original group, lust for power and conquest, treacherous and genocidal.
And those pictures are beautiful.
People who turn their noses up at the books written by Brian Herbert and Keven Anderson do not know the stories of what happened to Duncan after he fled Chapter House, they also lack the prelude to Dune books, written by Brian and Keven. Brian and Keven used notes written by Frank Herbert on the future books and story lines. They deserve a read by true Dune fans.
The one of many faces sounds like Face dancers who must have evolved.
Yep
This is much Brian Herbert lore.
This kind of proves the known galaxy of the Imperium was better when Leto II Atreides was still ruler...no wars, no famine - no needless deaths.
In the words of Murabella to Darwe O’draid in other memory “3500 years of boredom”
@@sawtooth808 If bordem is the price of peace - it's a price worth paying for. Compared to say all the worlds enslaved or destroyed by the Twisted Sisters, followed again by the Thinking Machines - that all came after...the bordem.
Wait - that is exactly the same story that a faction in "Sins of a solar Empire" had (Advent) .. wonder if they had trouble with the copyright
how about the life of Erasmus He was one of the only characters that spaned that whole story time from the beginning to the end.
I love the art. Where did you get the artwork?
I am a huge fan of the original books I feel like his son made them to much of a y.a book series when took over them with his co writer
Honored Matres leader: "I am the senate"
"not yet"
"Its treason then"
Does anyone know the ending song?
Where did you find the art for the thumbnail? It looks good.
Dune 2 second trailer dropped! Is anyone else hyped??!?
I have never felt so heretical before
Twisted sister space dommie mommies. Makes me wonder how they'd stack up against Adepta Sororitas.
Hm. Dune seems pretty good. I’m liking it, thumbnail?
What book are these women from??
Was the Benne Gesserit immunity due to their skills, or it's ineffectiveness in same sex dynamics?
They had total control over their body and mind to celular level . Hard to beat that .
where did you get the art for this video?
Sounds like a annunaki story
No credits to the artists? Or did you create all the illustrations?
excelent
"I cannot accept the self serving accounts of Dar-Es-Balat"
first of all, rude.
secondly - dude gave up everything to save humanity lol